The new head has Laser Matrix, so that + the 30 ilvl upgrade is prob the reason
#assassination
torpid sluice
frail widget
The best part about these rogue nerfs is all the pvp rerollers are gone
pine panther
i have 3x 340 with SS on them .. its viable to go sin?
frail widget
Now just waiting for the pve rerollers after they nerf ss
daring imp
@pine panther oh hell yeah mate
blissful dove
Real shit @shyndo
gleaming geyser
Im running 2x 370 LM and 1x 340 SS. I love when matrix pulls the entire instance with its retarded ass range laser beam
severe hemlock
@pine panther especially for m+ ilvl barely matters vs having ss and not xd
Looks like setting up exsang to me. But badly?
strange python
no toxicblade..
daring imp
@strange python maybe a stroke on pull
severe hemlock
^
strange python
maby on add ?
lament dove
try it @pine panther yesterday I tried to switch two 30 ilevel higher pieces instead of my SS pieces and SS still wins...
frail widget
Sin is god in m+ purely for the restealth between pulls. I swear it’s awesome
pine panther
okay ill try simming .. cuz with my sub gear i sim around 13.8k but the fights .. jesus
daring imp
lul
severe hemlock
People are only human.
frail widget
Sadly my outlaw sims higher than my sin
blissful dove
He thought he was on his warrior
viscid rover
could somone type out the opener with subterfuge on singletarget without any ss? or copy paste if im shit at searching lol
frail widget
I’ll be at 15k if I can get some fucking daggers dude
severe hemlock
Garrote muti garrote rupture vendetta exsang iirc.
frail widget
I’m 365 without a dang weapon
pine panther
got mother daggers last night .. fomr HC and norm .. gg
mighty arrow
does anyone know if its worth it to go from 340 SS to 370 with archive?
gleaming geyser
Archive probably not
viscid rover
@severe hemlock ait ill try that
severe hemlock
But also
frail widget
Archive will get buffed. Hold onto it
severe hemlock
Get ss traits.
frail widget
It’s crap right now
severe hemlock
:D
viscid rover
yeah lol ikr...
blissful dove
I went from 340 SS reluctantly to a 370 twist the knife
frail widget
Feels bad. I’m glad I have one 340 ss left
strange python
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
blissful dove
I'm a m+ homie
frail widget
I got 385 shoulders with bumfuckass traits lol
frank furnace
Could someone explain how to set up for exsang coming off cd? Assuming vanish isnt off cd, do you just refresh rupture at 5cp making full use of pandemic and same with garotte, then hit exsang? Also how long would you wait for vanish if it's coming off cd soon?
severe hemlock
For m+ my 300ss chest beats out my 375 uh... i think its rezans? Maybe thunderous.
Atl on 4 target 30s patchwerk.
D:
20s*
tropic hull
there is pvp chest 355 with SS
blissful dove
370 thunderous can't be worse than a 300, really?
vast edge
yea i got that chest yesterday
blissful dove
Is it your only SS?
severe hemlock
It is for 4 target 20s.
3rd ss.
If i remember i will link when im home.
At college atm.
severe hemlock
Did you sim yours?
blissful dove
I was using 325 shoulders for a long time strictly for SS
severe hemlock
Yeah i have 330 shoulders.
Or no
350 shoulders 330 head
Ss is worth many ilvl man.
severe hemlock
Well it is only for 4 target 20s like i said.
blissful dove
Right
jaunty ginkgo
how to use exsanguinate mid rotation?
calm barn
my 370 head with archive sims 30dps higher than my 340 ss
tropic hull
SS and heed my call proc on trash 👌
blissful dove
But you'd think agi would mean something
severe hemlock
Depends on key level. If shit is just dying too fast then the raw agi is better
@calm barn on st?
calm barn
y
blissful dove
Free haste is free haste 🤷
barren wharf
after exsanguinate should you only re-apply rupture once it has ran out
calm barn
until 750 cap
barren wharf
will it overtake the one that is ticking 100% faster
severe niche
Correct jon
jaunty ginkgo
yes
woeful moth
It does not
severe niche
No
woeful moth
Archive will stack but not that sub trait
sterile nacelle
hi guys, im pretty new to assa in PVE and the spec in general, im 337 ilvl rn after swapping from outlaw, and in uldir my posions and autoattacks are doing more damage than my ruptures, is that normal?
little frigate
Hey lads, anyone else aware of a possible bug that removes the SS buff from ALL garrotes if you apply a fourth one after subterfuge wears off?
severe niche
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
severe niche
We know xd
little frigate
Damn, I just found out /facepalm
zinc frost
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
round wadi
When u ex a rupture and a garrote.. when u refresh them the ex keep working?
crimson basin
No
strong dome
No, if you reapply you overwrite it
round wadi
Ok so should I let them fade off or refresh?
strong dome
Fade off and reapply asap afaik
round wadi
Ok ty
round wadi
So on the pull the best is to use ex after u use the vanish?
warm geode
@round wadi on pull u will do something close to: garrote>rupture>garrote>mutilate>rupture>vendetta>exsg
and vanish for next exsg or next vendetta
delicate root
g > r > g > v > m > r > e
jaunty ginkgo
when ex comes off CD mid rotation, should I reapply a full duration garrote and rupture?
warm geode
prob
warm geode
i think is wait for nxt vendetta, but is not DAT much diference
just keep the mindset
sage cosmos
You dont vanish in your opener, no. But you dont wait for second exsang either.
You vanish to reapply garrote after garrote falls of, AFTER first exsang
true thistle
exsang is best pick?
wispy iron
are u running exnag and crimson this week into m+?
crimson basin
Then you wait to sync them ?
strong dome
Sim
jovial plume
why would you vanish before exsang? we're playing subterfuge not nightstalker right?
sage cosmos
Sim it Koczan, depends on your stat weights
weary shoal
hey
signal summit
Is it anyway i Can sim races
true thistle
i am not even in assa yet, preparing my research but thanks
weary shoal
you guys think assa is stronger after the others got nerfed ?
true thistle
yes actualy i am switching from sub
strong dome
I think generally exang will sim higher than toxic if u have 2-3 SS traits
round wadi
@sage cosmos yea by use vanish on pull i meant in that way
crimson basin
Close to sub
weary shoal
i made like almost 2k dps more on puppets
strong dome
Read the guide
weary shoal
-.-
strong dome
It has full opener
weary shoal
and i was playing combat since vanilla
coral meteor
yea @strong dome was a lot for me
I don't like playing with SS simply because of the bug so I tried to see if I could get anything within 1% of it by changing for non ss traits and playing toxic blade but raidbots was having none of it lmao
true thistle
for assa ravenholdt guide is enouch, or i can get more theorycrafting information from icy veins?
coral meteor
A ton of 355 azerite pieces but cant use any of them because I have ss on 340 feelsbadman
you'll get more out of ravenholdt/discord than IV
true thistle
👌
coral meteor
There's no discussion value on IV, it's just a generic baseline guide for people who have never played specs before and don't even know where to start, but the more you play/change gear the less it actually applies to you
(And their forums aren't the most active)
true thistle
as sub i simmed max 13.6k yesterday, i switched to assa without stat changing just basic st talents
got 12.4k sim dps
without 1tier traits so duh
strong dome
I got 385 shoulders i cant use over 340 SS trait 👌
weary shoal
but did you ever got your simed results on a puppet???
coral meteor
ye shrouded suffocation, a bit of haste and exsang makes all the difference lol
scenic marlin
I sim highest as outlaw, but actual results sin is better for me
coral meteor
Also idk how you'd get simmed results on a dummy without raid buffs and shit :x
true thistle
@weary shoal what puppet are you talking about
weary shoal
if is sim combat vs assa comabt is ahead but on the puppet i do like 2k dps less
dummy
true thistle
- i have a chest from raid that is high in azerite stuff items
coral meteor
Using a training dummy to gauge raid DPS is almost less realistic than simming lmao
true thistle
as assa i will be 359 equipped
@weary shoal didnt go for dummy yet
just having research
says all about sub atm\
jaunty ginkgo
what's the sim software called again?
fiery bear
what happens if i replace the exans rupture by mistake?
fiery bear
do i loose the full benefit of it or what
jaunty ginkgo
@true thistle Can't find the add on on twitch?
true thistle
yes
acoustic aurora
is assasin pretty gear dependent? Tried it yesterday and my dmg was dick, not sure how its simming higher lol
brisk forge
Depends on how good you're with assa aswell
wide badge
yaw guys is there a way to sim the "archive of titans"?
dusky tinsel
When it says "vanish when garrote runs out" does that mean completely falling off the target? or vanish and reapply garrote in pandemic? Sorry, main Sub.
scenic marlin
As soon as th3 buff has dropped off
craggy raptor
Is it normal to have exang on like 20 second cd when vendetta and vanish come off cd?
scenic marlin
Vanish and reapply asap after the last tick
craggy raptor
Do i hold them for the exang?
scenic marlin
I would rage
craggy raptor
Yeah my thoughts
scenic marlin
Would be a beefy exsang
barren wharf
@craggy raptor i would rageburns XD
scenic marlin
Depends if you need to use exsang to burst a prio target
craggy raptor
xd
barren wharf
@craggy raptor especially if you have a bad mog
craggy raptor
ye
dusky tinsel
Where do you fit CT in your rotation in M+? (assuming its the go-to for M+, couldn't find specifics in the guide)
tropic hull
there is no upgraded eng googles right? only 340
brave gyro
If you are spec-ed Crimson Tempest, is it worth using on ST ?
tropic hull
no
hard plaza
Anyone recommend any decent sin videos for learning :)
vast edge
do you guys also get sad when on a boss fight ur envenom crits for 40-50k on the opener and then the rest of the fight it hits for 8k none crit
tropic hull
damn "Synaptic Spark Capacitor" is so good
strange python
I just simmed CT vs poison bomb, there is like only 300 dps difference ON ST. So basically you can take CT to every m+
molten scroll
Hey, hast gear or crit mastery for m+ bois?
warm cove
!wa
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Assassination WA's for BFA:
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https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
acoustic aurora
My question is is assasin worth learning to play where in a perfect world it still barely beats outlaw
tropic hull
no
acoustic aurora
If its only for top rogue yet only does a few 100 if that more dps is it really that much more worth
sage cosmos
Do you like RNG? Play outlaw
Do you prefer control and burst windows? Play Assa
sage cosmos
He didn't ask for sub, but I agree with you
sage cosmos
Sub is fine
My only problem with sub is that I like dark shadow better than enveloping shadows 🤷
molten scroll
Hey, hast gear or crit mastery for m+ bois?
warm cove
sim it, but i think that at least crit gets higher rating in aoe
regal snow
Crit Mastery for m+
sage cosmos
mastery pulls ahead on AOE aswell for my sims
Although, tyrannical week im going full ST stat weights
strange python
Im justwaiting for blizz to nerf the shit out of SS so i can outlaw again
sage cosmos
Since you wont be running CT anyway, mastery gets less value overall
sage cosmos
assa is not that far ahead of outlaw and sub, why would you even switch if you dislike it that much?
strange python
also how is it trash
i dont have any ss and i pull top dps in m+ more often than not
same case in uldir
lavish furnace
how do I sim for m+ ?
sleek swan
Sorry, I am sure this gets asked a lot, but I am having trouble keeping up with other classes in M+. When mobs live long enough for me to garrote/rupture a couple of them I do fine, but on packs that die faster than that, I usually lose even to the tank. What do I do in those situations to maximize my damage?
strange python
fan of knives and envenom
pb is probably good too
i felt that too yday though, even in a +9
The real answer is get ss traits, garrote thrice and jump to 25k dmg while afking
sage cosmos
If you actually pull 20 mobs at a time, you will probably fall off DH tanks etc.. but if you arent there for ST primarily, you might wanna change to CT?
cobalt flint
Does the SS bug affect simcraft results in anyway when simming multi target or hectic addcleave etc.
strange python
the ss garrotes dont even have time to tick for a while
karmic scaffold
is it worth resetting dots before exsanguinate?
sage cosmos
Afaik, yes
Ofc it would depend if you have 2 sec or 16 sec left on your bleeds, but most times I'd refresh
sage cosmos
Obviously
west frost
@sleek swan if shits dying that fast it's probably not a problem that you're not doing enough damage
sleek swan
No I guess not, just looks embarassing
sage cosmos
Very good point, bring your big boy ST build and deal with tyrannical 😃
west frost
Someone said earlier to top off rupture with a 2-3 cp but that doesn't work does it, that'll just bump it to like 16 sec
ripe dock
Hero damage ranks Scent of Blood above SS for dungeons?
sage cosmos
you'll regret not using SS 10/10 times, 100% of the time
lone junco
It is a fun niche.
strange python
i am so confues my 3ss sims lower then my 370s lol
sage cosmos
Has anyone simmed SS 340 vs 370 to test how much ilvl SS traits account for?
strange python
i dont think u can sim m+ idk man
west frost
3x30 ilvl bump will probably do that
lone junco
Or I'm too dumb to make it do so.
crisp steppe
@sage cosmos im not if simc accounts for the 150 secondary stats (and increasing) from laser matrix
strange python
so how do u sim m+ then nooble
crisp steppe
@sage cosmos thats what im gonna compare
sage cosmos
Im talking PURE ilvl, so disable the traits on the 370 pieces you sim against
not comparing traits, comparing SS trait VS ilvl (agi stats from ilvl)
lone junco
Personally. I balance the 1t 2min. With buffs. And. 6t 40s. No buffs.
crisp steppe
@sage cosmos I reckon you can roughly use the statweights for that purpose? see how much agi you get and compare it to the bloodmallet/herodmg estimates
I reckon shrouded suffocation is stronger than flat 30 ilvl agility
strange python
patchwerk ?
lone junco
We require restealth. Yes Pw.
sage cosmos
Emphasis on "Roughly", I'll sim it myself but I was just curious if someone did it already.
lone junco
Outlaw can chain pull. We need restealth, so they break up into packs.
sturdy python
But you're not getting only 30 ilvl of agility, getting a different trait also
lone junco
And I get 1use of GC per pack.
sage cosmos
sigh That's not my point, I'm ONLY curious how much SS trait is currently worth.
lone junco
But as I said. The result is using vendetta and vanish. But not ggg. So it's wonky.
sage cosmos
Besides if you have a low enough neck azerite level, you might not get that 1st tier trait.. 😄 (on a 370 piece)
west frost
You want SS value in ilvl or dps?
lone junco
Can also do 1t 20s. For prio mobs.
ruby girder
guys how does fan of knives works in assa? seems like im not getting much combot points
subtle tundra
You probably don’t have enough crit for that
ruby girder
its crit based ?
west frost
You only get extra for crits
ruby girder
oh ok
subtle tundra
Yes
west frost
It's not shuriken
I forget what our passive is called but that's why it gives cp, not the spell itself
west frost
Agree
subtle tundra
Like it needs a nerf
river citrus
subtle tundra
Garr rupt garr vendetta tb envenom
round ledge
People taking CT > PB for higher keys?
west frost
Tb? 
unique axle
He asked for exsanguinate
round ledge
One or more Shrouded Suffocation powers for Exsanguinate
Garrote
Rupture
Garrote
Vendetta
Mutilate
Rupture
Exsanguinate when talented
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote runs out
Garrote twice
subtle tundra
For exsang is tome before pull and change to toxic blade
mortal warren
lol
west frost
And as said somewhere before, try and keep ep up 100% for exsang duration
round ledge
now back to a q that isn't answered by the pins lol
round ledge
for higher m+ keys, are people running crimson tempest?
mortal warren
mind posting your gear?
wheat zealot
round ledge
or for m+ in general
echo night
Depending om your group setup mate, if your playing with frost dk and arms warrior, id go PB
round ledge
got fat azerite gear for sin but garbage for sub which i was playing previously, so just trying to get a feel for talents and stuff again
severe niche
PB on tyrannical weeks always
zenith cedar
Gear is not very well optimized
round ledge
@echo night ty, for basically if I'm focussing more on ST then go PB and if the aoe damage is needed then CT?
west frost
I'm simming like flat 12k at 350ilvl
echo night
On fortified id go CT but tyr with good aoe in group PB all the way
west frost
Sucks, but my damage is still good so I can't complain
zenith cedar
I need a 370 wep
echo night
You need the haste for CT tho
zenith cedar
+11 shrine of storms key, wish me luck on trinket or daggger boys
round ledge
and my stats are all over the place from switching from sub
but sweet I'll just have a play about it with different groups if it's not set in stone, ty
west frost
Bless up, I got my gc todag
subtle tundra
I’ve got the heroic mother dagger and I’m waiting for the tol dagor one
west frost
Only 350 tho, no one wants to pug me
zenith cedar
i just got my second shroud trait so im hoping i can burst 30k consistent
acoustic lion
could someone quick list the number for the general mythic+ spec :b
azure bear
i'm so happy to use 340 Azerit Items in 3-4 Month, because SS is so strong and the weekly chest so bad
subtle tundra
Elaborate toxic blade subterfuge poison bomb
zenith cedar
agi only worth 1.9
west frost
Yeesh
zenith cedar
Sin is nice because most gear is fine, all the stats have decent weights
I think Vers is kinda bad on Sin
it doesn't provide anything extra outside of dmg
west frost
Ya avoid vers like the plague
charred delta
guys for the exsanguinate build I get the opener in the guide, but what's the best way to use exsanguinate after that? on cooldown like TB?
zenith cedar
My stat weights have vers == mastery but I would take mastery over Vers anyday
acoustic lion
Varas , could you just write the numbers, for each tier.. like 321213 etc :p
zenith cedar
Vers sucks with Toxic Blade yeah?
Toxic Blade should raise mastery value I would imagine
zenith cedar
My mastery and vers are at 1.71
haste 2.0, agi 1.9, crit 1.8
Basically we scale insanely
waxen tide
old escarp
I'm sitting at around 1250 haste @ 353ilvl. Crit is now simming higher than haste for ST
worldly mantle
SS still Bugged i assume?
boreal spoke
Does shrouded suffocation stack?
worldly mantle
The damage yes
old escarp
You can have 3x SS traits yes
worldly mantle
The cp Part pnly counts once
urban storm
Eventually you want an azerite piece from the raid to get the buff
old escarp
Sim it. But short answer yes 3x SS
urban storm
Most likely anyways, it’s gonna be a lot of haste
worldly mantle
I got a 385 azerite piece wich is worse then my 340 SS so 🤔
lament dove
sim tells me to go with my 30 ilevel higher azerite armor pieces (only 80 dps though), but in practice 3xSS wins easily...
urban storm
I haven’t gotten any 340 ss
lament dove
world boss now drops a helm
boreal spoke
Got it. Thanks guys
digital timber
can anyone recommend a few good Pve rogue streamers? for raids?
worldly mantle
Jazo from bdg
boreal spoke
What bug?
worldly mantle
!Ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
worldly mantle
Super annoying
signal summit
there is a spreadsheet about the assa opener, some1 got it ? :
worldly mantle
Just Check the topic of the room
IT links u to the ravenhold Guide that had all the Info u need
Has*
Btw in bigger mob groups in 10+ Keys 5-6 Targets Do I Apply low cp ruptures to every Target or full cp ruptures to lese targets
Less*
frosty obsidian
Yes what?
icy oar
yes apply 5 cp rupture
icy oar
u want as many bleed + poisoned targets as possible to maximize energy gain
devout moth
how should i open on zul HC for an optimal dps output? just ST focus and rupture and garrote crusher?
devout moth
Sure
icy oar
99*
devout moth
idk my logs are kinda weird
pine ore
devout moth
some times i get 96-97 and sometimes only 80
urban storm
Once you have it setup yea, barring an increased dmg phase
tawdry breach
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
icy oar
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TQJcp1YFqnXLBtk2#fight=43&type=casts&view=timeline&source=12
3pl g, then rupture zul and big add
dont forget to reaplly rupture to big add when tank is about to move him away
hold on first vanish for the second adds spawn
devout moth
@urban storm setup u mean refresh garrote 4-5 cp and garrote?
what do u mean by pl?
yeah i used to do that with NIghtblade already on sub :v
icy oar
triple
devout moth
yeah triple garrote on which target? or on diff targets?
icy oar
3 empowered garrote
devout moth
isn't the only thing about exsang to line up with first and 3rd vendetta ? and set up bleeds before using it?
icy oar
idk, it might be good at patchwork fight, but in real world its not worth
devout moth
so for pure st i go exsang and for aoe fights i go toxic?
west frost
Woah is someone shit talking exsang
lone halo
Wait so applying an unbuffed garrote weakens all the empowered garrotes? Even if the unbuffed garrote goes on a different target?
west frost
Yes
devout moth
waiiit evven on different targets?
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
icy iris
385 ss piece 370 ss piece op
acoustic lion
So im reading the ravenholdt assa guide, about the rotation it says stuff about "No Suffered Suffocation powers for x".. Anyone mind elaborating? I suppose its about azerite traits, but isnt the suffered suffocation always the garrote one?
scenic saffron
should i refresh all my bleeds before exsang ?
icy iris
ilu cloak 😄
tawdry breach
Some information beforehand:
Talents 2212331
3x SS traits.
Question. Running Exsang in a AoE scenario for example a trash pack,. I would open up with 3 garrotes, followed by ruptures on 3 targets and finishing with FoK ENV spam. If I were to exsang on the target that I placed my first rupture on, would I wait with refreshing garrote on that target when it runs out? (while the other 2 are still ticking) and refresh it when the other 2 run out?
Reason why I'm asking is because of the SS bug. The way I see it: My other 2 garrotes would lose their SS multiplier.
icy iris
actually i mained sub until i got 385 bis head and 370 chest for assa lmao ima try it uot
urban storm
Does trash live that long?
icy iris
@devout moth
bright path
hey guys,I am starting the legion campaign and about to pick the kingslayers.Will I be able later to pick fangs too?
I know that their effect is gone
tawdry breach
@urban storm Yes I've had a case like that yesterday in a +11
bright path
ty
devout moth
aahaha i mained sub aswell xd @icy iris but oh well this time i want to play what is stronger xd and assa doesn't feel that bad. But not as great as sub
quartz rune
@tawdry breach most efficient would probably be to rupture the target u garroted last and exsang him
U dont have pandemic bleeds but its the best uptime u can get as opener
tame cobalt
on st do you use exsan on cd?
tawdry breach
Ah I see, thanks @quartz rune
devout moth
what is pandemic bleeds?
west frost
Yes exsang on Cd except for when it aligns with vanish CD, and you need to be aware when it's coming up and prep bleeds
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urban storm
Pandemic is the mechanic which allows dots etc to retain 30% of its base duration when you refresh it
tame cobalt
@west frost thanks
devout moth
i see
west frost
5cp rupture pandemic is 7.2
devout moth
if i refresh garrote on a empowered by ss garrote in the last 5.4 sec does this extended time still have the empowerment?
quartz rune
No
quartz rune
Yes
west frost
Yeesh
strange python
Holy shit your sim
west frost
What do you find you actually pull most times?
west frost
3 min
urban storm
3 minutes
strange python
ahhhhhhhhhhh
edgy latch
strange python
😂 I'm an idiot
lone halo
For mythics what's you guys opener? Garrote > rupture > next target > repeat until 3 targets have empowered garrotes? Assuming all targets are going to live
quartz rune
With SS traits?
lone halo
Yes
strange python
No rupture at the start
west frost
If you rupture in subterfuge you'll probably miss 1
strange python
You don't have time to get 3 garrotes out
quartz rune
3x garrote
strange python
You rupture your last target
brazen garden
rupture 3 tragets into crimson 🤷
lone halo
Ok thanks guys
silver egret
you ggg ct
strange python
So if you vanish for 6 targets it's G-G-G-Vanish-G-G-G-R-Exsang
silver egret
then start rupturing
strange python
If it's 3 you go G-G-G-R-Exsang
Then put rupture on the other targets
FoK rather than Mut
lone halo
Gotcha very nice breakdown thank you
strange python
Top priority is to get the 3 garrotes up
They'll be like 60% of your damage
if not more
Always wait for the last empowered garrote to tick out before reapplying the non-empowered garrote you're holding
Just keep rupture up and FoK envenom spam
Maintain your Elab Planning uptime
lone halo
Got it I screenshotted this convo for reference haha
calm tapir
its crazy how they havent fixed non empowered garrote
lament dove
that's the price for having 3xSS
strange python
Tbh that 4th non-empowered garrote wouldn't have a major impact anyway
It's insignificant next to the Subterfuge+SS garrotes
ocean nebula
im at 18 crit 15 haste 31 mastery and thought my crit could be a bit higher but my highest stat simming is mastery im confused
strange python
wut
lament dove
do you have 3xSS + galecallers?
strange python
Are you simming cleave?
lament dove
because I got mastery first as well with that setup
strange python
Man I need more haste
unlucky boi
Despite having 370 crit haste daggers in both hands
The rest of my gear is trrrrash itemisation
tight meteor
i need a glaecallers 😡
tight meteor
im using 375 dice
bold ice
355 dice and 370 construct Overcharger for me
young oxide
You can ez get 3 garrotes out
ocean nebula
yeah got 3xss + gale
strange python
fuck 375 dice is sick though
tight meteor
yeah
lone junco
prob for uptime fights. not for restealth M+ style. I like GC.
ocean nebula
@lone junco im simming ST and got mastery highest mate
tight meteor
m5 titanforge :))))
strange python
Sim is correct then
wow
First guy I've seen where agi is above a secondary stat
tight meteor
how do you use galecallers effectively
strange python
Use it when you can stand in it for full duration
tight meteor
ah
tight meteor
in opener you would use pre pull?
lone junco
and FOR FUCKS SAKE dont drop it before boss movement, cause the circle is small
lone junco
I bound it to my vendetta and bound exang after GC. so it dops on open, and in midblock it tags them together
signal flame
Is Exsanguinate like poison blade? Just use on cd?
strange python
wow
Didn't realise it had a 1 min cd
Thought it was like 2 minutes for some reason
lament dove
yep, I totally forgot that for like a week
strange python
fuuuuuuuck that's sick
civic forge
what's the amount of targets that you need to be fighting to use fan for points instead of mut?
quartz rune
3+
strange python
Anyone else think Iron Wire is the secret MVP for M+?
lone junco
ish
spring lantern
If you bind GC to Exsang will it snapshot with the haste?
strange python
Getting an opening 6 sec silence on 3-6 mobs is sick
lone junco
due to half time and partial ticks and scaling with haste. it just picks a number and makes it a whole number
strange python
I guess that means if you get really unlucky and have to move due to a random mechanic you'll still have snapshotted exsang on the target
lone junco
so make sure to hold exang for llust at t =5 or 6 if your mage is stupid.
thin ingot
why does so many ppl refer to ilvl like 970ish
strange python
does any1 ve dps ranking ?
lone junco
have dps ranks?
strange python
Depends on the fight
empty notch
i've specced in assa to give it a try. i'm wearing 345 wep mh and 310 in oh. and sim says that oh wep dps is my worst stat. so, OH wep is meh for assa?
spice surge
MH wep isnt even that big, compared to other classes
strange python
Yeah but it still destroys OH
spice surge
tru
empty notch
MH dps sims highest for me
vagrant tapir
Trying to figure out where sang fits in
strange python
Yeah Sight
strange python
But it might not be as big as other classes MH sim
vagrant tapir
Still getting better results with tb
vagrant tapir
yeah, sang is 12 dps loss
strange python
Exsang gives you more flexibility imo
strange python
Yeah
strange python
Well more in M+ than raids
vagrant tapir
Yeah thats fair
strange python
But yeah as Stray said
lament dove
it's an "instant" basically, while with TB you have to stay on target
dawn merlin
definitely more forgiving in terms of movement, ye
requires more tought before using tho
exsang that is
strange python
Yeah
vagrant tapir
yeah it does
glacial steppe
strange python
TB is just an on-cd click
vagrant tapir
To properly capitalize on atleast
strange python
Exsang allows higher skill play and feels a lot better to use in M+
strange python
Yup
Also good on priority mobs
spread garrotes around and finish on the priority target with garrote-rupture-exsang
quartz rune
I fucked up yesterday in raid did HC reclear and i played Assa with CT all Raid and didnt use it once
strange python
lol
strange python
"Why isn't my PB proccing? Fucking RNG"
quartz rune
After raid i was like uh wait what
vagrant tapir
Played outlaw for the last time last night
Well
Respeced my helm to sin
have a 340 SS
strange python
good one
vagrant tapir
And a 370 TtK
bright badger
How nuch haste is prefered to go exsang?
vagrant tapir
And 370 ttk outsims my 340 SS
but the ttk piece has deadshot on iot
now using 355 ace for outlaw
strange python
Is Fetid Chest the only SS piece in Uldir?
spice surge
Yea
vagrant tapir
yeah ive got that
dawn merlin
got it last night!
spice surge
And the only piece from pvp that have it is..
vagrant tapir
running 3 370 azerite pieces now
strange python
Yeah I have the 355 version
spice surge
Chest 😄
vagrant tapir
mines heroic
strange python
Damn Laxxz
dawn merlin
hc as well
strange python
I'm rerolling on Fetid every time
strange python
I'm 340x2
vagrant tapir
so only option is cache
strange python
At least they have Heed and OP
mighty venture
Does SS damage applies when not in stealth?
fluid scarab
who doesnt like roll the bones rng for loot, come on now
mighty venture
That extra dmg
dawn merlin
no
strange python
Annoying that the helm with Laser Matrix has pretty meh 2nd traits
strange python
Would be nice if it had OP or Heed
mental nebula
should I wait till my garrote from stealth completely fades before I apply my non-stealth garrote or will the dmg carry over to the new garrote if its >30% remaining like most dots?
vagrant tapir
OP?
mighty venture
And how is it possible that an ability that you use in stealth at most 4/5 times gets first in the dpsmetter?
strange python
Overwhelming Power
vagrant tapir
Yes Jsyn
strange python
BiS tier 2 trait
vagrant tapir
^
Increadibly strong
lol
Mastery
drives up its value
so does haste
rofl look at this
dawn merlin
i'm so worried SS will get nerfed to the ground, or its interaction with subterfuge
vagrant tapir
dawn merlin
wut
strange python
It destroys every other stat for me
vagrant tapir
lololol
strange python
It's at 2.10 now
cunning needle
for m+ if you take poison bomb, do you take toxic blade wiht it as well?
or can you still take exsang
dawn merlin
got agi>crit>mast>haste atm
spring lantern
"We want secondary stats to not be as important as in Legion"
dawn merlin
which is inteersting
strange python
You still want exsang imo
cunning needle
kk
fickle viper
Do you wanna use Exsang on trash just like on bosses
strange python
Does anyone hold TB for Poison Bomb procs anymore?
strange python
Since you can only fit 3 garrotes within subterfuge
fickle viper
Yeah
vagrant tapir
except like
fickle viper
I meant after opener
strange python
Yeah exactly Laxxz
strange python
Well
fickle viper
So you have 3x garrotes up and maybe a rupture
strange python
Your opener on trash without cds except Exsang is G-G-G-R-Exsang
tame cobalt
do we use exsan in aoe?
strange python
Exsang on the last target to maximize it
Yeah
You reapply rupture on the target you exsanged first
But don't reapply Garrote
You wait for your 2 long garrotes to tick out
dawn merlin
yes, on a prio target ideally, and it gives you more energy to FoK, rupture, CT and all those shenanigans
strange python
Then switch to another non-prio target
tame cobalt
alright, cheers
vagrant tapir
no target switching
strange python
your last target in triple garrote opener should be prio
fickle viper
How does Exsang interact with reapplying
strange python
So your exsang is on prio
fickle viper
Ie. Target 3 you have Garrote + 5cp rupture
vagrant tapir
If you reapply you waste your sang
civic forge
are you supposed to take crimson tempest for m+?
cunning needle
@strange python do you run CT or poison bomb in m+?
civic forge
lol
silver egret
ct in m+
vagrant tapir
dont reapply till it runs out
strange python
PB now
cunning needle
PB scales with more mobs?
vagrant tapir
no
fickle viper
Do you also run TB for PB then?
strange python
CT is better with more mobs
vagrant tapir
with longers mobs
cunning needle
oh
strange python
But usually they don't last long enough now
So I just run PB
Last week was really bad for PB
fickle viper
PB has some caveats with tank movement thjo
vagrant tapir
A. Because the more mobs there are, the less likely they will all fit within the pb circle
vagrant tapir
And B. The longer they last the better CT is
silver egret
even on tyrannical i think the value of ct outweighs pb, depending on the dungeon
fickle viper
If you're playing with CT, do you want to apply that before Exsang prio target?
fickle viper
6~ on 10-15s
vagrant tapir
if things die quick
vagrant tapir
then pb
strange python
Yeah
strange python
Ct needs them to last the entire duration preferably
vagrant tapir
if they last long enough
strange python
PB needs the mobs to just stand in it
fickle viper
Yeah, I mean CT vs Rupture at this point
strange python
oh
fickle viper
Do you CT n 2 mobs?
mighty venture
Does garrote stack?
silver egret
if you can consistently reapply ct then its damage will outpace pb over the course of the dungeon by quite a bit
fickle viper
After ruptures im assuming
mighty venture
On the same target
vagrant tapir
yeah
strange python
Yeah
vagrant tapir
rupoture is priority
strange python
Rupture is way above Ct in that regard
fickle viper
Also in lets say a 10 mob pull?
strange python
Can't remember when Ct > Rupture except the first target
fickle viper
(assuming they live long enough)
strange python
Probably Ct then
Around 6 targets probably rupture on 1st target -> exsang -> FoK -> Ct
fickle viper
Yeah, what I was thinking
strange python
Then you rupture the rest
strange python
Crits
fickle viper
Crits = extra CP?
fickle viper
Ok
strange python
5 extra CP
fickle viper
Ty, exactly what I wanted to know
strange python
It's not like Sub where it just goes on targets
acoustic lion
newb question i know, but deadly and wound for m+ if i have a frost mage in party? :p
oh nvm
i suck
forget it
vagrant tapir
lolol
acoustic lion
awkward
mighty venture
If I cast garrote on ST three times, the only damage that stills is the last one I cast, right?
sand canyon
or depends on grp 3x gar, ct, exsang thats ur burst
but its wasted
so if u play for the meters yes but efficency never exsang on low living mobs
empty notch
for what CT stands for?
cyan stump
got it
fickle viper
CT = Crimson Tempest
sand whale
poggers https://i.imgur.com/A7Xe0ua.png
fickle viper
cursive kelp
Is everyone still stacking the garrote trait?
woven dragon
I can’t get any weapons FeelsBadMan
vagrant tapir
@sand whale ilvl/Sdps?
limber wind
I’d be happy for u if i werent selfish Erik
sand whale
I'll check after raid ilvl 363 now
I'll trade the 380 dagger to replace my blue shoulders XD
mighty venture
If I cast garrote on ST three times, the only damage that stills is the last one I cast, right??
dull spruce
-yes
hushed crane
Is it wrong of me to assume that if i sim crit as highest and haste as second highest i should be using deadly / quick navigation
unreal wraith
nice one, i got the construct overcharger trinket and it titanforged @390
mighty venture
That is on the target doing bleeding dmg*** 😒
silver egret
yeah if you cast garrote multiple times on the same target, its one garrote going that adds pandemic duration
which is like 23 seconds max
unreal wraith
thats why you gg to get the enpowered garrote plus pandemic?
unreal wraith
aye
proven pumice
I read the pins, and I admit that I'm not the smartest cat around. I don't really understand what the paragraph about the SS bug means. Functionally, does that mean I should change from what the guide says about using garrote?
silver egret
dont cast garrote 4 times after you pop out of stealth
fluid scarab
Just means dont hit more garrotes after 3x on 3 different mobs
silver egret
only cast it 1-3 times
proven pumice
Oh, so it's about multiple target encounters
silver egret
yeah
urban storm
Sort of
It would remove the buff on the 1st garrote outside the window regardless of number of targets
mighty venture
Do you have time in 3 secs to double garrote, then rupture, then garrote?
meager knoll
no
unreal wraith
no
silver egret
no
urban storm
You get 3 abilities
proven pumice
Thanks, fellers.
urban storm
Which is why it’s G R G
stable yarrow
should i wait for bleeds to fully tick before refreshing after i use exsang?
stable yarrow
kk
desert hazel
what is reorigination array again?
urban storm
Azerite buff on uldir gear
shut viper
should i let the bleed expire completly or should i re-apply when its like 1sec left?
silver egret
urban storm
Expire is prob best
silver egret
let it expire
shut viper
ok
silver egret
plan accordingly so you can reapply right away
analog tundra
Can someone explain to me what FoK CP Generation is based off of?
silver egret
crits
if you dont crit at all in a mob of 80 mobs, you get one cp
and have horrible luck
analog tundra
ah okay, good to know, thank you
seemed hella random at times, thats why i was wondering
silver egret
crit is a fickle mistress
urban storm
Yea one extra cp for every crit
elfin quartz
why do we G R G and not G G R? wouldnt GRG into vendetta only give us a 3 point rupture?
silver egret
grg and then another rupture at 4-5 cp
for pandemic
you get the small rupture going just for that pandemic timer for when you exsang
elfin quartz
makes sense. and is it still GRG even with toxic blade? i know the guide says so but if i follow the ravenholdt opener for TB then i only have a 3 point rupture going during vend
empty notch
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Is it worth PvPing to try and get 355+ SS trait Azerite gear? I don't know much about PvP rewards right now.
grizzled harness
So it's g r g even with Exsang?
grizzled harness
Alright! Thanks
tulip wedge
what does clipping a dot mean
frosty obsidian
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