assassination

[keen spruce]

than*

[proven ice]

But then it doesn't feel like guitar hero

[steep citrus]

if you have GC do you use it on cd or wait for exsang or?

[tulip wedge]

anyone using sovv's gruop?

[keen spruce]

line up with exang and vanish/vendetta

as best you can

use your best judgement

[civic cedar]

https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
Using that now but cant figure out if my garrote is empowered or not

thanks anyways <#

[keen spruce]

oh I thought you meant pandemic

I dunno if any of them track SS buff, but I'd be surprised if they didn't

just poke around wago someone probably has one

[dire gazelle]

Mizerok's puts a little 'Emp' under the empowered Garrote

[warm cove]

Anyone here on 20% haste +?

[dire gazelle]

@civic cedar 😃

[wind whale]

i wish i'm at around 15% haste right now -_-

[warm cove]

im at 18 and stat weight is still haste > crit

[kind roost]

im 24% haste atm

unbuffed

[warm cove]

dang

[spice frost]

@civic palm you sure exsang snapshots? So I should use it inside galecallers?

[sweet rampart]

does anyone use afenars ?

[spice frost]

I’m 19.8 or something haste. Why asking?

[civic cedar]

tnx @dire gazelle

[sweet rampart]

anyone here i mean *

[warm cove]

just swapped from outlaw, and for some reason i though they'd want more haste than mut

but seems not

[keen spruce]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[keen spruce]

I use this one https://wago.io/S15WcyNQX

[spice frost]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/sargeras/Cóóby simmed last night and still haste>agi>crit=mast>vers

[keen spruce]

I'm sure those have timers too

but this one has numbers that turn green in pandemic

[dire gazelle]

I basically took the timers from Miz and disabled/deleted most everything else. I just wanted timers.

Miz has green numbers as well 😃

[strange python]

should you even be refreshing garrote on pandemic if it has the ss buff?

[spice frost]

If your garrote is empowered let it drop then reapply

[keen spruce]

only if it's a vanish garrote

even then let it drop in the opener

[silk sundial]

I think the reason sin Sims so low for me is my 12% haste lol

[keen spruce]

cuz you're double applying on vanish

[sweet rampart]

@keen spruce So wit those, when the dot timers are green...those are the ones I need to let fall off completely before i reapply?

[spice frost]

( Pawn: v1: "Cóóby - Assassination (Raidbots)": Class=Rogue, Spec=Assassination, Agility=1.91, CritRating=1.80, HasteRating=2.01, MasteryRating=1.81, Versatility=1.70, Dps=9.51, OffHandDps=1.14 ) get MOAR haste

[keen spruce]

@sweet rampart no, it just tells you the pandemic window

depending on how they're buffed by exang or SS you may or may not let them drop

it doesn't dynamically account for exang and SS

just gonna use your noggin

[sweet rampart]

gotcha, well i am decent at using it lol

[thick jacinth]

is it worth waiting the 20-30 seconds for vanish with exang?

or just exsang on cd

[strange python]

on cd me thinks

How is it, with all the nuance that goes into sin, people consider this the faceroll spec

[plain cairn]

just got a 375 galecaller :)))))))))))

[spice frost]

I think you’re supposed to use on cd. The iffy case is holding vanish/vendetta for 15 sec @ 2’min to line up with 4th exsang. Whether that’s worth or not idk.

[thick jacinth]

yeah cooby that's what im referring too

that part

[spice frost]

I’m also considering holding exsang for galecallers, would result in a few lost uses over a fight, but 1200 haste each use might be worth

[thick jacinth]

idk what the APL sims with either

[spice frost]

Sin is easy to play decently but hard to play perfectly

[keen spruce]

It's considered a faceroll spec cuz it is a faceroll spec

[spice frost]

It’s face roll to do mediocre dps.

[urban storm]

its nto that hard to play perfectly

[thick jacinth]

every class is like that though

[keen spruce]

everyone in here is arguing about like 5-10% of damage

maybe even lower

[thick jacinth]

everything is easy to learn hard to master

[spice frost]

In min maxing, 5-10% is a shitload of dmg

[strange python]

is https://www.wowhead.com/item=160619/jerkin-of-the-aberrant-chimera any good? it got the ss trait

[keen spruce]

you can keep your bleeds up and moosh your face on your keyboard and still top damage pugs

[sweet rampart]

5-10% damage is huge lol

[strange python]

10% is pretty massive lol

[keen spruce]

I'm not saying it's not

[spice frost]

You saying if I do 10k, and min max it I can do 11k is a huge difference

[keen spruce]

let me finish reeeeeeeee

[thick jacinth]

finish instead of rambling then

[chilly obsidian]

you can type longer than 1 sentence at a time, you have ample time to finish before pressing send

[strange python]

could someone expalin me aoe rotation? i start with 3 empowered garrote, then crimson tempest, then trying to maintain raprute on targets?

[thick jacinth]

min maxing your damage and min maxing for an encounter are two different things though.

it's easy to just use cds on cooldown etc

but perfect play is subjective and based on the encounter imo

[spice frost]

Agreed. Like holding vanish vendetta for 2nd beam on G’huun. Huge.

[dire gazelle]

Additionally, more to Rogues than Damage, especially in Dungeons (less in Raids, but fight-specific). Sims provide a 'best case scenario', but there is more going on in any given run than just 'sit and damage', outside of non-add raid encounters.

[thick jacinth]

perfect example is the rogues in my guild not having cds up for mother final room

[keen spruce]

A spec is considered hard if there is a moderate amount of rotational thought put into doing decent damage. Some classes have to react to procs and crits and maybe cast something only if something else happens. Sin you can do decent damage with almost no effort if you maintain your bleeds. Sin is very proactive, not reactive, so you kind of know what you're going to do for the whole fight before it even starts. you get to plan around a lot of things happening.

So yes there's a lot to tinker with at the top end to push you up to the orange parses

but it's considered easy because of how it plays relative to other classes

and how adverse conditions affect how the spec plays

imo

[spice frost]

Who goes to mother final room?!??!?

[thick jacinth]

wat

you get a fuckin' damage buff if you do

[keen spruce]

everyone preferably

[thick jacinth]

what do you mean

LOL

[spice frost]

Hero room 1 kill her room 2. Faster

[keen spruce]

Actually valid strat in Heroic this week

[spice frost]

Mythic I’m sure you’ll need room 3 but for n+h it’s a joke

[keen spruce]

we held hero for room 3

[spice frost]

We killed her room 2 week 1 heroic

[keen spruce]

and killed her in about 15 second

[thick jacinth]

we send 5 people through at a time anyway haha

[warm cove]

i dont like mother

[keen spruce]

super undertuned in heroic

[warm cove]

cant drop daggers for shit

[keen spruce]

turbo easy fight

she gave me one week one on normal

[warm cove]

https://gyazo.com/fa383451c99c3df773dc6350411cb125

[keen spruce]

no complaints

oof

[spice frost]

It doesn’t help that my guild is all parse whores so we ignore every mechanic possible. Crossing rooms is hard for us

[dire gazelle]

If you're gearing for Mythics, N+H will be easy. That's always been the case. That doesn't make N+H 'undertuned'.

[strange python]

Hey guys, are the Uldir Azerit Traits better than SS ?

[keen spruce]

I'm not gearing for mythics

I'm a heroic pug star

I just slap together randoms

[solemn wigeon]

assasin is strongest since nerf?

[keen spruce]

and beat our heads against bosses

[dire gazelle]

And is your gear on par with folks gearing for Mythics? 😃

[spice frost]

You’ll want at least 1 laser matrix to wear inside uldir. But in general you want ss

[keen spruce]

I guess?

[solemn wigeon]

anyone use hero damage?

[dire gazelle]

Case closed.

[keen spruce]

what are mythic folks looking like gear wise?

[thick jacinth]

360-365

[keen spruce]

well i'm 359

[dire gazelle]

They've been pushing gear in prep for the release this week. There is a large swath of the userbase who aren't 350-360+ ilvl

[spice frost]

I’m 356 and one of the lowest ilvls in my guild. Most are 360+ right now and we don’t raid till the weekend

[thick jacinth]

i'm 362 - 366 in bags and haven't touched a mythic boss yet.

[solemn wigeon]

assasination is simming best since nerfs?

[keen spruce]

and heroic drops 370

so that seems like heroic ilvl

[dire gazelle]

You run Heroic to gear for Mythic.

[strange python]

@solemn wigeon ye

[keen spruce]

then everyone running heroic is gearing for mythic

[thick jacinth]

the only reason everyones ilvl is low though is bis azerite pieces are mostly 340

[keen spruce]

so your point about tuning is irrelevant

[thick jacinth]

so

[keen spruce]

wat

yeah sure if you're 330 ilvl heroic is probably not easy

[dire gazelle]

Are you farming 'easy Heroic content' for gear, or are you running it to clear for the first time?

[keen spruce]

but what is that suppoesd to mean?

[sweet rampart]

How often are you guys paying attention to EP and casting envenoms before it runs out? Or should i just shoot for keeping the Envenom buff uptime

[keen spruce]

I mean it was my second time through

H mother

with random pugs

the boss dies way to fast for the timers on the rooms

the mechanics are too easy to deal with

[strange python]

@sweet rampart You wont be able to keep it up at all times

[keen spruce]

the cast times on adds are too long

[thick jacinth]

envenom applies EP tho

[keen spruce]

you don't even die to one laser

you can send 5 people through the gate at a time

and you don't even need to go to room 3

that seems undertuned

[thick jacinth]

not overtuned

[keen spruce]

[thick jacinth]

undertuned*

[dire gazelle]

You're losing yourself in my comment when you apply black and white thinking to a dynamic scenario. Prior to H+M raiding, the progression pushed through different instances. Gear one, roll into the other. Guilds would push into one early, start getting pieces, but not be 'farming for the next instance'.

[sweet rampart]

@thick jacinth correct...but Envenom buff lasts longer then EP buff lol

[thick jacinth]

it's the second boss lol

envenom buff stacks

[dire gazelle]

Anyways, back to Assassin talk 😃

[sweet rampart]

...right lol

[keen spruce]

right, but I cleared mother with a random pug group of 340-345 ilvl people on week one

[thick jacinth]

but even then you should be maximising EP

[keen spruce]

in like... 3 pulls

[carmine plover]

hidden blades or crimson tempest for m+ with exsang?

[strange python]

Crimson

[spice frost]

Ct is bae

[carmine plover]

ty ty

[thick jacinth]

depends on the dungeon

tbh

[strange python]

I dont think hidden blades is very good

[thick jacinth]

hidden blades is a no go always

[carmine plover]

okay

just someoen told me to run it

[thick jacinth]

but if you're only pulling 1-3 mobs at a time (different affix weeks) poison bomb is probably better

[keen spruce]

HB is turbo bad

CT generally always better

generally

[thick jacinth]

there's no cookie cutter talents lol it depends on your group, affixs and dungeon

[trail patio]

is this trait nerfed or hotfixed or was it always this shit

[thick jacinth]

always shit

[trail patio]

i thought it did a little more

[keen spruce]

Hot, Garbage

well it's per CP

[thick jacinth]

you want shrouded suffocation or laser matrix

[late niche]

some traits are so fucking bad number wise I don't understand the design lol

[keen spruce]

so 155 dmg

[thick jacinth]

that's basically it

[keen spruce]

[thick jacinth]

no ss = play sub at this point

[keen spruce]

and "1 second longer only if it crits"

so you have to stack mastery to make use of the extension, but you have to crit to make it extend

[jovial silo]

lmao im lvl 110 and its doing 88 extra dmg per CP

[keen spruce]

[celest idol]

Can someone point me to something that'll help me use exsanguinate properly?

[trail patio]

i see pros taking it for pvp so i was wondering if it got changed or something

earlier

[worldly orbit]

should i be using fok on 2 targets?

or 3+

[keen spruce]

@celest idol scroll up

someone explains it every 15-20 minutes

[tiny vapor]

I'm having a blast playing assassination in m+, but it's too op to stay that way

[keen spruce]

Malky, I always wait for 3+

cuz that's what it was in legion

you could just look at the dmg of FoV hitting 2

compared to a mutilate

and estimate poison

or just check the pins

[vapid oracle]

Yeah my 385 shoulders from m+ sim worse than 340 SS

Love this system

[keen spruce]

loot better 385 shoulders

[exotic abyss]

just saw the +15 freehold the sin was using tb instead of exsan

[sweet rampart]

it really is piss poor design

[keen spruce]

My outlaw friend only plays Pirate and got SS+heed my call 385 shoulders

and isn't wearing them

[vapid oracle]

Tb vs exa f is really close just depends on ur stats

[keen spruce]

also just because someone doing something doesn't make it right

[dense blaze]

Yo that SS bug is nasty

[exotic abyss]

thought for m+ exs was ahead though

[keen spruce]

depends on your gear

[exotic abyss]

i see

do u save galecallers for ex?

[crisp steppe]

can I pandemic/refresh early my exsanguinated rupture/garrote (not empowered)

[vapid oracle]

No

Let exang dots tick out

[keen spruce]

I have gc and ex

[crisp steppe]

kk

ravenholdt guide is pretty barebones I guess

[exotic abyss]

oh so u let exsanguinated rupture run out first

then reapply rupture

uh

[hollow stone]

Yes. If you dont, you lose dps

[exotic abyss]

that explains alot lel

still figuring out the best time to use galecallers

[sweet rampart]

I wonder if they raveholdt guide had way more depth to the guide it would answer so many questions that you guys hate lol

[hollow stone]

You replace your double tick speed with a normal tick speed essentially halving your dps for the "clipped" exsang bleed

[crisp steppe]

I don't know if pooling is stil la thing but I imagine it is. it doesn't mention envenom/eleborate planning uptime etc

[hollow stone]

The shadows at ravenholdt are too busy pushing mythic to update it 😁

[sweet rampart]

lol...but ravenholdt guide has always been soooo minimal lol

[vapid oracle]

The questions most people hate are the ones answered on there already and people are too fucking lazy to read

[sweet rampart]

No...lol the guide doesnt' mention anything about exsang really

[vapid oracle]

I don’t mind answering questions not on there

[hollow stone]

My personal pet peeve is the "what rogue spec is best?" Question

[exotic abyss]

so if u didnt let out the ex rupture run out, how much of a dps loss is it?

[vapid oracle]

An exanged rupture is basically twice the damage of normal rupture per tick

[hollow stone]

Depends on your dmg. If rupture is ticking for 1k every second w exsang, thats 1000dps. If you clip it, it becomes 1k every 2 secs, thats 500dps

These numbers are examples. Not real numbers

[exotic abyss]

Interesting

that can be lots of % i guess

so everytime u exsanguinate let every garrote and rupture run out or just rupture?

[hollow stone]

Its 50% dmg loss times the % of the clipped dot

[vapid oracle]

so I believe you can sort of think of it like refreshing at 11 instead of 5 or something, not sure if this is entirely accurate

[storm siren]

Same logic applies

to garrote

[hollow stone]

Yea

[vapid oracle]

Don’t refresh exanged dots in general

[keen spruce]

We also talk constantly about other bullshit in here so the questions get pushed up the chat logs very quickly

[storm siren]

So if exsang rupture is running out in 2 sec and I have 5 cp do I then just envenom and let the target sit without a rupture for 1-2 sec before I can reapply again?

[keen spruce]

But if you scroll up

You’ll see all of them answered multiple times per hour

[vapid oracle]

If you aren’t wasting energy there isn’t any harm in just sitting there

[exotic abyss]

there should a pin with FAQS

[vapid oracle]

For 2 seconds

[exotic abyss]

i guess

[keen spruce]

If you’re low on energy, just wait

If you’re about to cap, I’d refresh

Bigger dps loss having no rupture

[dapper moat]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=160648/frenetic-corpuscle&bonus=4798:1477 got that from uldir chest. feels terrible and and my 25 level lower harlands sims better..

[keen spruce]

I would guess

[storm siren]

Alright, ill try and keep that in mind

[exotic abyss]

Don't refresh ex dots in general

gotcha

[vapid oracle]

You’d have to sim something like that to test which is worse but pooling is something you have to get used to for rogue in general

If you aren’t wasting resources you generally aren’t wasting that much damage

Outside of cds ofc

[storm siren]

Dont really know how to seem specific situations like that. But yeah, I didn't think about just sitting there when im low on energy regardless

sim*

[vapid oracle]

Yeah you would have to change the APL which requires more knowledge than just plugging into raidbots

[storm siren]

another one, how do you open on G'huun? seems like a waste to vendetta the tentacles

[keen spruce]

I baby sit orb runners

probably just garrote 3 tentacles

rupture mute mute rupture another one

mute mute rupture another one

if you have 3 close enough to fan then fan

if two just maintain bleeds till they die

or ST them and move to the next one

[storm siren]

the tentacles die way too fast for me to rupture all of them tho

[keen spruce]

yeah maybe easier to just multi garrote

maybe get 2 ruptures up

then just spam one down and move on

14.5k club

[thick jacinth]

damn you got 700 dps on me

how big are your weapons?

link can't open at work

[vapid oracle]

depends on difficulty for sure on ghuun tenticles ive been opening on left tentacles while everybody is nuking down the right ones with buff then ill get second buff

[storm siren]

they're 370 and 355

MOTHER daggers

[bleak river]

do you find your ST dps to be low in dungeons at times? rocking about 6% haste and it's not great I feel

[wide hawk]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/isnmkJNnKbCq5YmJELFNiy

:<

[gilded crest]

Looks Like Assassin's scaling will Go through the roof fairly quick

[final stone]

@frigid lagoon that such good luck on those m10 shoulders!

[keen spruce]

Haste and mastery sim higher than Agi for him

not him illy

[hot flume]

Can someone help me analyse my logs ?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yxJP36NpDaCgZM2h/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=22

Felt like i was good on this fight, and then my dps started falling at the end of the fight

[quartz depot]

why does tb sim higher than exsang for me

[urban storm]

garrote and rupture uptimes are very low

[icy ember]

crazy that agility is worse than 1point of mastery @frigid lagoon

[keen spruce]

you messed up your rotation @hot flume on your second ability

and you one CP envenomed after toxic blade

then you 2 cp envenomed after 1 mutilate

everything is wrong after your first garrote

wat is this

k no flamerino, read the guide about opener and rotatoin

lots of room for improvement

[silent silo]

so from some people im hearing to double garrote when i vanish for full cp right away and the pendemic. should i do this in my opener also?

[strange python]

is the reorigination array buff included in sims? I'm not sure when to switch to from ss pieces?

[storm siren]

read the guide

opener is in there

[silent silo]

well thats why im asking, it doesnt show that

[warm parcel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3CVGUaFFTEjzw6d1tWcjxo
We dps flexing?

[quartz depot]

opener is garr rup garr

[storm siren]

The guide says Garrote - Rupture - Garrote

[sweet rampart]

since you guys are checking logs 😃 See anything stupid from mine?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/atvVy4GLC16zxrDw/#fight=8&type=damage-done

[keen spruce]

GGR openeer instead of GRG

[sweet rampart]

what?

why?

[keen spruce]

you did ggr

should be grg

[sweet rampart]

OH

lul

[keen spruce]

only cast 2 exangs

technically could have gotten 4

but if you saving them for trinkets 3 should be reasonable

energy capped a lot

[sweet rampart]

I am having a hard time lining up perfect ruptures with full garrotes for that exsang

[keen spruce]

98% uptime should be closer to the mid 99.%

better to get 80% rupture and fresh garrote

then missing an exang on a fight

[sweet rampart]

When i have exsang come up should I just refresh Rupture even if it still is up for like 12-13 seconds to get a full garrote with exsang?

kk

[keen spruce]

^those are the big ones to work on

[sweet rampart]

ohh yeah what site is that?

[keen spruce]

wowanalyzer

[sweet rampart]

i forgot that existed

[keen spruce]

just drop the log in there

yeah it will always yell at you for wasting garrote CP now

but the rest of the info is good

[limpid willow]

oh no

one less second on envenom

😏

[terse pawn]

your garrote does nearly 19k dps with exsang lmao

wtf is that

wait

you don't even have exsang

your garrote just does 19k dps

[limpid willow]

my sims are showing exsang doing nearly identical dps to toxic blades
is this normal?

[terse pawn]

yeah

[sweet rampart]

Is that bad Czerny?

[mossy hollow]

my TB is about 300~ more o:

[sweet rampart]

my garrote doing 19k with exsang?

[terse pawn]

no it's pretty crazy that one ability does that much damage

[mossy hollow]

gona go with the sim.... really hoping it's taking into account the amount of free full CP ruptures you get in M+ with shrouded suffo

[arctic crow]

IDK about free

[oblique juniper]

how do i copy a log after a fight

[devout moth]

Can someone explain exactly what makes GRG better than GGR?

[arctic crow]

I've been mainly playing exsang, why choose tb over it?

[sweet rampart]

I am still confused sometimes on dummy my dps spikes hard up to 20 k in opener, and sometimes it just sits around 10 k after the vanish gg

[mossy hollow]

why not free? 2 extra garrotes gives a full combo bar

rupture, garrote again

another free point

2 points**

[terse pawn]

do you line up your second vendetta with vanish?

[arctic crow]

Yes

You need to wait

[terse pawn]

ah kk

[devout moth]

Can someone explain exactly what makes GRG better than GGR?

[north terrace]

@devout moth my best guess is to maximize the time on your bleeds before exs but I don't honestly know if that's the case lol

[silk sundial]

More tick time on your ss empowered garrote

[north terrace]

Because it's GRGMR so you have 2 max length bleeds right before ven/gcb->exs

[terse pawn]

GRGVMRE

[north terrace]

Wheras with GGR you'd go GGRM(M)R which ticks down the G timer

[lone plaza]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[terse pawn]

the combo gives you the max amount of time on both garrote and rupture

so your exsang hits hard

[orchid field]

guide says grg for toxic blade w/ no exsang ...whats the reason for that?

[silk sundial]

You still have the empowered garrote

[north terrace]

I mean tbh it's probably uptime on SS/Subt powered garrotes still

[orchid field]

isnt it just resetting the garrote though? only 1 tick will have passed

[north terrace]

If you GGR you are instantly reapplying garrote instead of giving the first one another tick or so before re-doing it

Honestly probably a very minimal change, esp with TB but it's all about min-maxing

[keen spruce]

You get the extra 6 seconds from pandemic

right?

[zenith cedar]

How to DPs on trash pulls?

[north terrace]

You get the extra 6 pandemic seconds either way

[zenith cedar]

I feel like my dps is so low

[keen spruce]

yeah

[zenith cedar]

my boss damage is godly

but im sucking ass on trash

[north terrace]

I think the point is to get that extra GCD worth of superpowered garrote in to min max damage

[keen spruce]

no you get 6 more seconds on turbo garrote

[north terrace]

Because with GRG the first G is ticking a couple times before reapplying, with GGR it might tick once instead

You get 6 more seconds whether you GRG or GGR, that's the point that they are making

[keen spruce]

right you grg so that rupture gets ticking faster

one GCD faster

and you get one GCD more ticks on your garrote

[warm parcel]

Both dots up quicker

[north terrace]

Like the people asking why GGR over GRG probably understand the pandemic

[warm parcel]

Guaranteed no cp waste

[keen spruce]

and your second rupture refreshes with pandemic

so you get long rupture sooner too

it's just better

for lots of reasons

w/ or w/o exang

[north terrace]

I understand it's better lol, I wasn't the one asking the question

I was explaining some of the reasoning behind it

[worthy owl]

How do I add a condition to my weakaura that changes my garrotes colour when buffed by subter?

[keen spruce]

i'm explaining to anyone that wants to know

not you specifically, not trying to be preachy

[north terrace]

@worthy owl it requires a unique script, might be able to find one someone has already written

I just remember it since it's so important and infrequent that we have super powered Garrote

[devout moth]

I thought those dots only became longer when initial ones are <7 sec or smth like that

[worthy owl]

Just gets a bit hectic sometimes, ill have a look

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean it's like the only thing you have to remember

[north terrace]

Sims for last night showing Sin pretty high... scared for the future!

[arctic crow]

Ya my sin sims 300 more than outlaw now

Was reversed

[gentle belfry]

Do you guys know of any mythic boss guides for assass? Or at least how to max on the first 2-3?

[wicked nymph]

my problem is i dtart the fight with like 15 to 17 k vor the first 2 min than i jut go downe to like 8k dps and never come back to higher dps

[north terrace]

Yeah same here... although I'm still not simming in any spec where I was as sub last week lol

Sub I was like 13.7 or so, sin I am now like 13.3

[arctic crow]

Sub and outlaw we're equal for me

I haven't simmed sub again yet

[north terrace]

I didn't gear up outlaw at all tbh. just sin and sub

[terse pawn]

getting new sin traits is a huge pain

[arctic crow]

I found sin by far the easiest to get

[north terrace]

Still have 325 fist offhand for outlaw... honestly probably just better to run one of my 345 daggers but I don't sim outlaw enough to know that 😛

[keen spruce]

After your opener, your damage will burn down a bit until your next vanish vendetta phase

you should recover some then

and on the one after if the boss is long enough

[safe matrix]

"
-You can use a dagger in the offhand, it is no different from any offhand axe/sword/mace/fist since combat potency/ability damage are normalised; however you need to have a mace/sword/fist/axe in the main hand so you can use dispatch."

[keen spruce]

you just gotta focus on uptime on the boss and never dropping bleeds

less movement the better

[arctic crow]

Method still using sub rogues

[keen spruce]

randomly walking out of range on accident and missing a few autos will add up too

Sub still does lots of damage

[worthy owl]

at what stat values does exsang become better than TB?

[keen spruce]

and has lots of utility

[storm siren]

@arctic crow they're switching between sub and assa

[keen spruce]

stat weights @worthy owl

that's really it

[north terrace]

@safe matrix yeah that's what I thought, I just don't Outlaw enoguh to bother simming it... good to know though, I'll scrap my fist weapon then though 😛

[keen spruce]

exang sims 50dps higher for me

some people it's the other way around

[safe matrix]

I just copy pasted the pins from #outlaw

[worthy owl]

TB is 200 higher for me

[keen spruce]

use tb then

[ebon bramble]

woo

assassination now #1 in heroic raid

lol

as it should be

[keen spruce]

RIP next week

[north terrace]

Yeah... until it gets nerfed

[ebon bramble]

why rip next week?

[arctic crow]

I've been maining outlaw, but prob gonna switch off it for consistency.

[ebon bramble]

assassination cant be nerfed

o wiat, its beating affliction

its getting nerfed

[keen spruce]

[north terrace]

I'm guessing he said rip next week because sub and outlul were number 1 and 2 for like 4 days and they came out with a nerf

[ebon bramble]

lol

[north terrace]

Well actually they were between 1-3

[ebon bramble]

basically yes

[safe matrix]

people never believed me when I said all three specs were good

"even assassination"

yes

[ebon bramble]

everything thats nt affliction should not be #1

[sand whale]

if that's blizz logic I'm looking forward to the day we all do 0 dps kek

[ebon bramble]

LOL

balance in all things

[north terrace]

Yeah... I dunno why people were hating on sin last week... it was like the number 6 spec in the raid last week lol

[unreal wraith]

is the combo point bonus from ss still not stacking?

[north terrace]

Then they nerfed the top 3 this week and we climbed up somehow over even people that didn't get hit with nerfs

Prob just more people actually gearing sin and stuff now 😛

[faint plume]

I mean something has to be #1. Are they just going to nerf everything at #1? XD

[opaque grotto]

It’s because more people started playing sin

[storm siren]

@unreal wraith its not supposed to be stacking

[safe matrix]

also APL changes made sin better

[opaque grotto]

Fuckin fotm mongos scared of a 5% nerf

[sand whale]

it's true I only finished my 3x SS this week, played sub/outlaw last week

[north terrace]

Honeslty I dunno if they'll actually nerf sin... sub, outlaw, and BM got the nerfs because they were WAAAY above the next people

[opaque grotto]

Like they’re word 1st raiders

[north terrace]

Sin is like... honestly really close to aff and whatever is next right now

[unreal wraith]

@storm siren ty, so we stacking ss just for the damage increase?

[north terrace]

And also like number 8 in mythic, which... rip melee

[storm siren]

Yeah

[keen spruce]

@unreal wraith No utility stacks on azerite

[vast patio]

Sin will either get nerfed, or the others will be buffed to it's level. /shrug

[opaque grotto]

Not enough mythic logs yet though

IMO they should work on bringing the bottom DPS up to par

Instead of beating down classe

[vast patio]

Agreed.

[arctic crow]

Outlaw and sub are still top specs. We're ahead yesterday

[north terrace]

Yeah but rogue tends to not be amazing in mythic even when we're number 1 in heroic and normal... lots of mythic pushing guilds kinda hate on melee anyways

[arctic crow]

Were

[opaque grotto]

My guild has 4 demon hunters and 2 warriors

[misty light]

do you hold your 3rd exsang to line up with vend/vanish?

or use on CD?

[opaque grotto]

We mongo as fuck

[north terrace]

And they absolutely should bring the bottom up now... the top several specs are all pretty close right nwo

But the bottom 4-5 all super suck

[opaque grotto]

I played spriest last xpac

I wouldn’t mind playing it again if it wasn’t so dogshit

[arctic crow]

It got a huge buff

It's middle pack now

[opaque grotto]

That 20% dot buff?

[north terrace]

Yeah... middle isn't where a lot of people like to be lol

[arctic crow]

On ur 2 main dots. Bandade but seemed to work

[tranquil wave]

i know a lot of people like the middle of the pack for not being nerfed reasons

[opaque grotto]

Yeah it was only like a 3% ST buff but I imagine it’s super good the more targets there are

I still follow spriest just Incase they unfuck it

[leaden bear]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[north terrace]

Honestly the best place to be IMO is like number 3-5 range... not a lot of nerfs but usually pretty close to the top lol

Like sin missed this nerf wave this week even though it was honestly super good from the beginning

[tranquil wave]

Can anyone tell me a reason they like exsang other than it does more dps than toxic blade

[north terrace]

Because it was under the top few 😛

@tranquil wave what other reason is there to "like" or "dislike" a talent?

Honestly I feel like they play super similar... but exs is better so... I just use that instead lol

[misty light]

Do you delay every 3rd exsang to line up with Vanish/Vendetta or use on CD?

I don't see anything on RH about exsang usage in that situation

[north terrace]

Either hold 3rd exs for those or hold those for 4th depending on some factors is my understanding

Like vulnerability phases, whether or not you have GCB, fight timing , etc

[charred lantern]

guys do you pick poison bomb or crimson tempest for m+ situations?

[misty light]

makes sense

[storm siren]

Depends

[misty light]

next question, is it worth refreshing rup/gar early prior to exsang?

[storm siren]

Generally CT

[ebon bramble]

i feel like blizzard's balance strat now is

[storm siren]

but PB can be good for some affixes

[ebon bramble]

nerf top 3 specs in the logs by 5%

buff lowest by 5%

until they get some sort of equilibrium

lol

rather than fix core issues

[north terrace]

Here's the thing about sin compared to sub and outlaw last week... sub and outlaw last week were in th top 3 with BM by a large margin on every fight... sin honestly is only number 1 on 1 fight right now and just is super steady everywhere else... so its overall performance is high because of that

[arctic crow]

Why play sub over ass now?

[storm siren]

Which fight are we number 1 on?

[north terrace]

Fetid. I mean it's low parses so it's not 100% right now

But my point was that we're not crushing EVERY fight like sub and outlaw were last week

Honestly there are a few fights where we're in the upper-middle

But we also aren't low on any fight

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[calm grail]

I hit 19k on Fetid

Was a quick fight though

[untold current]

I'm having some trouble with the sin rotation with 3xSS outside of the opener

[north terrace]

I think the line up of Ven/Vanish/GCB/Exs for the 3rd exs is just perfect for most of us right now

[arctic crow]

Wow ass right below outlaw for zek

[north terrace]

So it's a massive DPS boost right as the vuln phase starts

[untold current]

Outside of opener, doese garotte refresh only matter when i vanish?

[calm grail]

Yes.

[untold current]

ALso how does this change when using exsang

[north terrace]

@untold current when using exsang you want max duration bleeds up, so as it's coming time to use it you want to be reapplying a pandemic garrote and rupture

But honestly you generally want to pandemic anyways

[calm grail]

So pretty much use it on cool down, but also use your brain and try to line stuff up when feasible based on current stage of the fight?

[untold current]

so want to use it at optimal bleed times

[north terrace]

Yes... and my understanding is that lining up exs with GCB if you have it is really good too... but only up to certain time frames

[misty light]

GCB?

oh the trinket

so you would refresh Rup/Garrotte prior to casting exang

even if you're above pandemic range

[calm grail]

You don't want to hold on to stuff for too long though right? Assuming the boss is attackable.

Or you don't have a vulnerable phase

[civic forge]

do people use exsanguinate for m+?

[calm grail]

I'm going to.

[north terrace]

@civic forge I do for boss damage

[keen spruce]

@misty light you do want to refresh both even outside pandemic

[north terrace]

Or prio adds

[keen spruce]

before exang

withrin reason

[misty light]

cool, thanks

[keen spruce]

like if it's only ticked for like 5 seconds

maybe not

[calm grail]

I don't have GCB I feel like it will still be better for priority adds.

[misty light]

yea makes sense

[raven mica]

So I cant find information on this: I dont have GCB but exsang sims slightly higher than TB

[keen spruce]

but like half burned ruptures should probably get refreshed

[raven mica]

In a fight like Taloc, should I run exsang or TB?

[keen spruce]

then use exang

sims higher

[untold current]

Also, the guide says garotte, rupture, garote, but I see in logs garrote x3

[keen spruce]

unless you have very specific timers on the kill

[raven mica]

It's a pug

[calm grail]

Well for me exsanguinate sims higher but it's like 20 DPS

[keen spruce]

and you expect to get like X number more TB than exang

for some weird reason

[raven mica]

Yea that's what I was wondering

[unreal wraith]

does internal bleeding not proc unless the kidney actually stuns the target?

[keen spruce]

without having a good timing on the boss

[misty light]

do you wait for exsang garrotte/rups to fall off before refreshing?

[keen spruce]

it doesn't metter

[raven mica]

what if my pug kills the boss right before I have another exsang ready

[keen spruce]

@unreal wraith has to stun i'm pretty sure

[north terrace]

@untold current is that on add bosses or? gx3 at the start honestly doesn't make much sense on a ST situation

[keen spruce]

@misty light yes

[misty light]

ok

[keen spruce]

@raven mica then you killed the boss collect your loot

[misty light]

so refresh during pandemic normally, allow SS garottes and exsang garrote/rups to fall off before refreshing

[keen spruce]

yes

[untold current]

ST yes

[misty light]

premptively refresh before casting exsang provided there's going to be more than a trivial gain on the timers

and delay 3rd exsang for vanish/vendetta or delay van/vend for 4th exsang depending on estimated kill time

[untold current]

Cant find the log now

[arctic crow]

For a fight like zekvoz with adds. If vanish is up but no esang. Is it worth getting the SS garotes out and using vanish

[untold current]

Maybe its because you can garotte x 3 and get 6 cp with subterfuge?

[severe niche]

almost 15k club i can taste it! https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4wwUfbJ14v9W72B9LrJVDZ

[calm grail]

Pack of 4 adds 3 normal and 1 ettin. You're running exsanguinate, tell me how you open

[arctic frigate]

/wa

[arctic crow]

So like ghunn opener?

[calm grail]

Do you triple Garrote separate adds, rupture the priority add, Vendetta exsang?

[keen spruce]

Foxy

[arctic frigate]

exsang ot tb?

[keen spruce]

You're 2 ilvl ahead of me

[keen spruce]

and 1000 dps

[calm grail]

[craggy needle]

what are you guys looking at in a sin log atm? just Elaborate Planning uptime? Timing of CDs? What else is big that I"m forgetting?

[short token]

is the ravenholdt guide up to date? showing you can take toxic blade or exsang? i thought exsang was the top

[severe niche]

check my at the time rank 2 taloc parse https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bwh7gtJ6kK3TfqnW#fight=2&type=damage-done

[warm parcel]

https://i.imgur.com/2Ftb8q4.png?

You know thats 100% wasted

[severe niche]

you know how haste effects bleeds right?

[sand whale]

I envy you all with purple shoulders

[warm parcel]

I do

[delicate gull]

isnt it dynamic

[warm parcel]

Exsang isnt

[safe matrix]

@short token depends on your gear

[warm parcel]

Thats the catch

[severe niche]

idk got rank 2 so i did something right

who knows

[north terrace]

exs snapshot ftw

[keen spruce]

Exang snapshots

[safe matrix]

Exsang snapshots based on current haste

[keen spruce]

Woulda been rank 1

ruined

[warm parcel]

Exs uses your current haste level to schedule ticks

And haste changes after do nothing

[runic radish]

are you guys using Hidden Blades or Crimson Tempest for m+?

[delicate gull]

so then how much dps do you lose if you just snapshot exsg then run out immediately of your GC

[arctic frigate]

you guys putting deadly and crippling poinson in raid or only deadly?

[north terrace]

@delicate gull not much

[delicate gull]

🤔

[arctic crow]

Soooo get a gale

[delicate gull]

so many exsg isnt that hard

[keen spruce]

Apparently not much cuz foxy has the 13th best assa parse in the world

[north terrace]

I mean you still lose the haste for energy and stuff

[delicate gull]

maybe*

[keen spruce]

and fucked it up

[safe matrix]

It's still really early in the tier

Parses haven't settled yet

[sand whale]

I'm sure some guild would just race to the 3rd room to get parses

[safe matrix]

There's gonna be mistakes in a lot of the top ones, and a lot of top guild private log

Nah top parses just kill mother in first/second room

[severe niche]

i never said i was a god rouge

i just pump alright

[sand whale]

ya but if they wanna parse higher there's guilds out there I'm sure would do that for someone

[keen spruce]

We're just fuckin with you

[safe matrix]

Yeah and that's fine, now you know exsang snapshots and can get #1 next time hopefully

!

[severe niche]

so then awlays galecallers then exsang? 🤔

[safe matrix]

Yeah

[severe niche]

even rank 2 can learn

[keen spruce]

R13 now

[delicate gull]

is exsg burst a lot higher than TB in a typical potion lust opener?

[severe niche]

ah see

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FZp1h9JxHPVwvCcR#fight=14&type=damage-done&source=14&start=1323320&end=1360959

i did fetid right

maby i just had monkey brain on taloc

[warm parcel]

With 3 ss exsang destroys tb

[delicate gull]

maybe i should sim 3 SS with 1 340 piece instead of 2SS with 1 370 twist knife

[hidden dome]

what about with 2? mine sims pretty close with 2 but that seems like it could be wrong

[delicate gull]

yeeee tb is like 100 dps behind, but i figured proper usage makes them pretty close during progression

for me

[vapid lagoon]

goddamit

[hidden dome]

lol

[sand whale]

rip

[hidden dome]

Riparino

[sand whale]

if it's any consolation it does sim a bit higher than SOME dungeon 340s by a bit

[keen spruce]

Foxy is a good example of a big issue with people trying to learn rogue. They focus on a lot of nit picky stuff in the rotation instead of the macro stuff like not randomly dropping bleeds or keeping boss uptime good

or efficient movement

or positioning

I worded that poorly

[dire gazelle]

or trash interrupts

or simply trash control

[arctic crow]

Or transmog

Mog = dps

[hidden dome]

I got a 365 midas trinket with static agi AMD was so happy until i actually simmed it lower than one of my 355's :(

and*

[keen spruce]

While foxy is pumping damage, other people are arguing about whether or not to vendeta before or after a mutilate

[delicate gull]

personally i vendetta after exsanguinate to regain the energy after casting it

kappa

[ruby idol]

I'd say a huge portion of the top players play off instinct/feelycraft too

[grim wolf]

@hidden dome

[severe niche]

🦊

[keen spruce]

hows your haste lookin now foxy?

[ruby notch]

hey guys, can someone tell me how the st rotation with exsang looks like ?

[keen spruce]

yes

[fierce ingot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uVG753pHZ4BagcpoSBYBXh

finally broke 14k

[severe niche]

in a key sec

[ruby notch]

ty @keen spruce

[severe raven]

whats our rotation on adds? do we just ST and cleave with fan?

or do we apply dots on targets

[ruby notch]

nice @fierce ingot im still struggling with 2 340 daggers wasnt lucky yet with bonus rolls on mother for the daggers 😄

[keen spruce]

@severe raven I try to rupture/garrote up to 5 targets

[void otter]

hi guys, sry vut this will probably be a repeat - with the outlaw nerf, I'm looking at assa again as I have 2 ss traits..where can I find more info on what the actual rotation should be depending on traits or if I use exs/ toxic vlade?

[drifting cloud]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[keen spruce]

while keeping CT up

and using fan to generate CP

@void otter It's the same except you use TB instead of Exang

and you don't wait for your second TB to line up with your trinkets

[glad ferry]

Anyone have a good Pandemic WA tracker?

[keen spruce]

cuz the timing is different

[rough agate]

is anyone messing with wowanalyzer

[keen spruce]

@glad ferry

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[keen spruce]

https://wago.io/S15WcyNQX

or this one

@rough agate messing with as in updating?

or using?

[rough agate]

updating

[keen spruce]

they're always work in progress

[void otter]

oh..that still leaves me with heaps of questions though - for instance, if I have semi-full bleeds active and exs comes off cd, do I delay until I reaplly bleeds? do I just reapply bleeds right away and then use exs or do I wait for bleeds to go into pandemic to then use exs?

[delicate gull]

anyone know if theres an option for "increased boss damage phases" in simulationcraft? I wanna know if a 150dps loss is worth for these types of fight with 3 SS. Otherwise my 2 SS with one twist is technically better in a normal patchwerk fight

[keen spruce]

the only thing you should ignore on wowanalyzer right now is the wasted combo points from garrote

the rest is solid info

[rough agate]

ok thanks

[keen spruce]

@void otter Reapply bleeds even when outside pandemic, within reason. Delay exang for your haste trinket, otherwise use on cd. reapply bleeds in pandemic unless they are buffed by SS or exang

[forest wharf]

At what point is it worth it to drop a Shrouded Suffocation trait for a raid gear? Had a 355 helm with lazer matrix drop, would overwrite my 340 SS head. Have all 3 slots with SS right now

[keen spruce]

Try to keep one SS trait always, otherwise if it sims higher use it

the stacking SS traits is for damage

[storm siren]

@keen spruce do I need to use, fx. Galecallers before I press exsang or is it fine to use it right after?

[keen spruce]

so if another trait does more damage

[void otter]

thank you

[keen spruce]

Galecaller's first preferably

Exang snapshots your current stats

so more haste on the cast is preferrable

[warm parcel]

Only haste levels

[storm siren]

Right

Makes sense

thanks

[oblique juniper]

i cannot load a dummy fight log in wowanalyzer?

[sweet rampart]

When do you use gale in the opener? Combo with vendetta?

Or literally right before exsang everytime

[desert oyster]

Do we still run Subterfuge if we are not running Exsanguinate ?

[obsidian ridge]

do people play the "garrote build" with 3x garrote azerite trait with exsanguinate?

[storm siren]

@desert oyster Yes

[severe raven]

is it normal to feel energy starved always?

[desert oyster]

What about if there is not Shrouded Suffo ?

[severe niche]

you have to learn to pool yo

sometiems not hitting a button

is a dps increase

[storm siren]

also yes

but work on getting at least 1 ss trait

[keen spruce]

@oblique juniper Dummy fights don't really work

[oblique juniper]

will dungeons do?

[keen spruce]

@sweet rampart with vendetta either manually or macro'd is easiest

@desert oyster yes subterfuge. not sure without SS

@obsidian ridge yes, it's the only real build right now

[storm siren]

@sweet rampart I macro it to Vendetta and then try and use it cd

so every other one lines up with vendetta

[keen spruce]

@severe raven yes kind of until you get lots of haste

[sweet rampart]

Roger roger

[keen spruce]

@oblique juniper you can sim dungeons I think... but you might as well just join an LFR fetid

if you wanna do a target dummy sim

[balmy condor]

1 uldir trait + double ss for raids right

[obsidian ridge]

so talents are 2-2-2-x-x-3-1?

[balmy condor]

no, deeper strat isn't worth

[severe raven]

for trash in dungeons do you bother dotting adds?

[storm siren]

@obsidian ridge TB and Exsang are pretty even

[keen spruce]

22122(2/3)1

[sweet rampart]

When are the best times to shoot for pooling @severe niche ?

[keen spruce]

@severe raven yes keep rupture and garrote on up to 5 targets

[obsidian ridge]

okay thanks

[keen spruce]

that's all of your energy regen

@sweet rampart if you're starved right before vanish/vendetta

good time to pool

try to get to 60 energy before vendetta

That's the easiest time

[balmy condor]

^

[keen spruce]

I don't do it much outside of that, but if saving a little energy will help get you rupture and garrote refreshes a little cleaner then it's worth

[storm siren]

@keen spruce Is it normal energy capping at the start of lust pulls? Feels like theres nothing I can really do about it

[keen spruce]

yup

I'm basically at 100% energy through lust

spamming as hard as I can

[storm siren]

Yep, same for me

[lofty sand]

thats the fun of it isnt it?

[storm siren]

definitely more fun than spamming RtB for the entire duration of BL

[oblique kindle]

Hi, did you guys use crimson tempest at M+?

[unreal wraith]

have they simmed the archive of the titans with the aura?

[wicked nymph]

how much haste shut i have on assa ??

[keen spruce]

Yes warrhunter

[wicked nymph]

because i feel i have not enough

[keen spruce]

it's better if you use it properly

it's worse if you don't

@wicked nymph as much as you can find

currently there's not enough to go around

[severe raven]

only rupture one target?

[weak oak]

mighr be a stupid question, but can we use fist weapons

[keen spruce]

rupture on up to 5 targets when cleaving

[storm siren]

@weak oak No

[keen spruce]

you can equip them

[severe raven]

garrot on 1 target?

[keen spruce]

but you cannot use abilities

[balmy condor]

@weak oak wont be able to use mutilate

[weak oak]

ah okay thanks

[keen spruce]

garrote multiple targets with SS and subterfuge

try and keep it active on like 2-4 targets

the CD will prevent you from reliably keeping up on everything

[storm siren]

@keen spruce did we save vendetta for vanish btw?

Do we*

[severe raven]

ss?

[storm siren]

Second vendetta and Vanish

Azerite trait billy

[oblique kindle]

For me - I vanish if adds are spawning

[keen spruce]

They're on the same CD

so yeah

[strange python]

If you have a regular garrote up, then vanish and apply SS-garrote to 3 other targets, does the bug still apply?

[young meteor]

Do you all use any afdons to track bleeds on multiple targets?

[keen spruce]

should only be like a 10-15 second delay

@strange python no unless you cast a 4th out

from sub

@severe raven shourded suffication

[balmy condor]

I use the name plates for it robg

[storm siren]

@young meteor I have my bleeds displayed above nameplates

[strange python]

So I can safely vanish+garrote even if I have a regular garrote on some other target?

[high siren]

how do you use the second exsang, rupture max cp and garrote then exsang? Do you care about overcapping cps for the rupture ?

[young meteor]

Thanks. I think I'll move positioning and set them to be stacked

[balmy condor]

yes @strange python

[keen spruce]

yes to your first point shaylen

[strange python]

Ok ty

[high siren]

what about the second ?

[balmy condor]

I personally don't

but im bad

[high siren]

and does the order matter? rupture or garrote first ?

[keen spruce]

you don't want to overcap cp in normal rotation

[storm siren]

Order doesn't matter

[balmy condor]

order doesn't matter that much

[keen spruce]

order doesn't matter if they're both refreshed before exang

[storm siren]

just rup-garr-exsang instead

[strange python]

Is it worth it to save vanish for second exsang ?

[balmy condor]

no

exsang is 45 seconds

you'd waste an entire cd

[strange python]

thought so

[balmy condor]

2:20 lines up all 3 cd's roughly

[high siren]

so you want to delay vanish and vendetta for exsang

[balmy condor]

on the 2:20 lineup yes

[high siren]

oookay

[wicked nymph]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4KvXP692jW11fsc1nWLSaW is this ok for this gs??

[balmy condor]

yeah thats fine

[wicked nymph]

ok thx

[storm siren]

So you would delay vanish and vendetta for the 3rd exsang?

[balmy condor]

generally cooldowns are vend/vani/exsang, exsang, vend/vani/exsang, exsang

yeah

you line up cd's on every odd exsang

[storm siren]

Okay cool. Gonna try and think about that next raid

[balmy condor]

the 2:20 lineup is optimal

the line ups later on like exsang 5 and 7 for example don't have to line up

but Its not a loss

[severe raven]

for 5 ruptures up

does it mean like 5cp ruptures

on trash

or just 1-2

[balmy condor]

where are you seeing this

depends on the context of the author

just based on what you said, I would assume it means having 5 ruptures at 4-5 cp

because you never finish at less than 4 under normal circumstances

[lofty sand]

5 ruptures? Thats a whole lot of trash

[north terrace]

so at 2:20 you'd be delaying exs number 4 right? If you use exs in the opener, then again 45 s later( around 52-53s into the fight) 45s later (around 1:37ish) and then the next one will be up right around the 2:20 mark for ven/vanish right?

[severe niche]

for whoever asked earlier, 19% haste atm

[calm barn]

still highest stat?

[severe niche]

no

crit better

and master is about even now

[calm barn]

but EX or TB?

[severe niche]

even with haste

ex

[calm barn]

k

[severe niche]

tb?

what kinda dead talent is that?

[calm barn]

there was an emote with that IIRC

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rKmHXvMwpLE5j27auED49P

16.5% haste

[strange python]

wtf

haste simming higher than agility for you guys?

[calm barn]

yes

[keen spruce]

Foxy sims Haste and Mastery higher than Agi

[strange python]

WHAT THE IN

[keen spruce]

Turbo good stats

1.1k dps ahead of me at basically the same ilvl

on sims

much more irl

cuz i'm bad

oh nvm

[oblique kindle]

Wow , this I must show my guild mates xD

[keen spruce]

they're different then yesterday

Foxy has wierd shit now

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/zwKnCJoTenvntvW1eZHF7

[high siren]

where does that dagger drop

[frigid briar]

Wtf 360 itmlvl

I never get loot man

[spice surge]

My guildy disc priest is 369 😄

[spice surge]

385 azerite pieces from pvp lmao

[severe niche]

one smol boi is popular :3

[frigid briar]

356itmlvl

[severe niche]

mythic taloc and mother tonight, ez Clap

pray i get 2 mother daggers

[frigid briar]

I got nothing from fiest 2 mythic...or 2 clears of hc

Fuckin zzzz

Tell a lie, I got the HC ghuun trinket thats complete garbage

[severe niche]

i got a heroic dagger form the weekly quest xd

or else id be fucked

and 365 from a underrot

should be gucci for prog

[frigid briar]

First 2 bosses flop over anyways. Alot more gearing before majority kills more than that I guess

[coral cosmos]

Hey fam, just wondering how detrimental it actually would be to have the weapon enchants swapped? I am pretty much broke on my character and just got a new dagger, so im swapping my previous main hand (Deadly Navigation) over to OH. Would love to just buy a single Quick Navigation and put it on the new MH weapon.

[severe niche]

did they fix mother bug?

[frigid briar]

No

We had to play around it

[spice surge]

Which hand you have which enchant on is irrelevant

[coral cosmos]

Oh nice, ok thank you!

[spice surge]

Assuming you're using two daggers, but yeah

[severe raven]

my sin ST patchwork is simming almost 1k lower than outlaw lol

[coral cosmos]

Yup

[chilly obsidian]

so are you supposed to save 2nd vendetta for second vanish and treat the situation as if you are opening on the target all over again?

[strange python]

with SS, is it better to garrote from steal on two target then rupture the third or apply garrote to three targets then rupture?

even with overcapping

[chilly obsidian]

garrote on 3

[spice surge]

3 garrotes

Yes garrett, it should line up with vanish+vendetta+exsang at like 2.15

[chilly obsidian]

ok thanks

[strange python]

coo appreciate it

[severe niche]

normal?

[main blaze]

Heroic

[civic palm]

Paste the difficulties in your flexing.

[wide furnace]

does anyone know if Alliance has a raider training dummy without adds near it? my laser matrix keeps proccing on the adds dummies

[raven mica]

Class hall.

[royal lantern]

ironforge?

16k dps

i too would love not too do the orb stuff on ghuun

[void otter]

guys, should you delay vendetta+vanish if exs is (say) 15-20 sec from coming off cd?

[main blaze]

haha yeah p1 is such a pad fest. nothing else to do except interrupt and spread shit

[raven mica]

Wait who the fuck

is making a sin rogue

oh on heroic I forgot

[delicate gull]

are we flexing parses rn

[raven mica]

Cuz you SHOULD have enough Monks, DHs, and Warriors to deal with it.