assassination

[vagrant wasp]

after exsang ticks the vanish

[plain thistle]

you let the exsanguinate buffed garrote+rupture end first

[unborn knot]

http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

@vagrant wasp

there rotation

[lime panther]

That has a fuck up in the rotation with extra 2 muta @8s mark

[strange python]

got 380 dagger from heroic chest, back to sin i guess

[lone junco]

Prob.

[vagrant wasp]

i fucked up what I was trying to say but yea I got it, thanks

[dire gazelle]

@lone junco - what site is that screenshot from?

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hW2jqyKY8S2wuUU3StmnRj

but still 340 oh lul

[lone junco]

Just a log timeline I put together in paint.

[dire gazelle]

Ah!

[lone junco]

An the double mut at 8 ooks fine to me.

[plain thistle]

its from warcraflogs

[lime panther]

No env goes double mut double mut env

[plain thistle]

fuck, troll racial is so good for exsanguinate, race changing Right NOW

[lone junco]

Is it real deal?

Like 3%?

[lime panther]

So what's the ideal traits , ss x2? Or 3 with triple head my call?

[mint oar]

is pikaboo playing sub now?

for pvp

[lone junco]

Saw him as sin yesterday. But had sub azerite on one set. Outlaw another and sin. 3rd.

Def trolling.

[frail gate]

He plays sin for 2s and sub for 3s because he plays comps that need stuns

he hates sub and says its garbage and unplayable dmg atm in pvp, only reason he plays it is for stuns to set shit up for his team

[lime panther]

Sin/outlaw for 2s feels much better then sub 2s

Ur kinda Sol once your winow is down

So if u get walled gg basically

[exotic frigate]

hey guys.. coming back to assasination, how do i use shrouded suffocation on ST...? twice in the opener and once like normal... but what about when i use vanish? am i applying it twice?

[lone junco]

Read the guide.

[exotic frigate]

it isnt in the guide

[delicate gull]

It is though

[lime panther]

Again with the Az traits is it better to triple stack ss or do u want 2 + say the uldir stacking buff as 3rd

[keen spruce]

Moorhen scroll up a little bit, there's a screenshot of the ST opener

just a little ways up

[exotic frigate]

it wasnt for the opener, i mean during a fight buddy 😃

say im 2 mins in, my vanish is back up

how do i use it

[delicate gull]

It’s in the guide buddy smile

[exotic frigate]

vanish garrote... once?

[keen spruce]

Stack vendetta + Galecallers

vanish G G

[exotic frigate]

ty

[delicate gull]

Vanish double garrote with vendetta

[keen spruce]

refresh rupture if you need to

[devout moth]

guys

[keen spruce]

no refresh rupture

[exotic frigate]

thats all i needed, thanks alot xD

[keen spruce]

always

then exang

[exotic frigate]

im running poison bomb.. xD

[keen spruce]

THEN READ THE GUiDE

[devout moth]

if im at 4 cps is there any situation where it is worth to mut again into envenom?

[keen spruce]

Exang replaces TB not PB

no @devout moth

[exotic frigate]

sorry, im running tb.

[fringe zodiac]

is SS getting nerfed?

[keen spruce]

no fou

[delicate gull]

Yeah better swap to sub

[strange python]

there a way to sim with the raid buff on?

[keen spruce]

SS is garbage, needs buff blizzard plz

[fringe zodiac]

okay

[keen spruce]

trash spec

rerolling enhance

[fringe zodiac]

[lone junco]

@strange python default has raid bufffs. But setting can turn them on /off.

[strange python]

thanks!

[hidden oasis]

Does anyone know if pvp trinket with agility proc is any good in pve?

does it proc often and stuff

[candid kayak]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[tidal sedge]

wait does that mean you dont cast a 4th garrote after subterfuge garrote 3

[tardy yoke]

tfw u get send to next room in 2nd grp on mother, feelsbadman

[lavish furnace]

nice just got 3rd ss piece

[lone junco]

Dont cast 4 garrotes means don't press garrote 4 times.

[mystic pond]

Shit it happened monkaS haste sims higher than agility for me now

[prisma pond]

Luckily I'm raid lead, so I'm always last on mother

[royal lantern]

melee dps raid lead? lul

[prisma pond]

Were trash

[tidal sedge]

is the SS damage on 3 targets really better than garrote on 4? interesting

[prisma pond]

The 4th garrote removes the SS buff from the other 3

[mystic pond]

Got to remember SS is flat added dmg to garrote, which is multiplied by the subterfuge multiplier

it is insane damage

or I think it is atleast?

[tidal sedge]

okay ill have to see how it looks when i do some keys later, i've always just garroted 4 when theres 4+

[lone junco]

@prisma pond same. I stayed in last group with affliction.

4 warlocks and me.

[prisma pond]

I mean, pretty pointless sending afflictions and sins over early imo

[lone junco]

@tidal sedge if you end at 10k dps. You fucked it up. If you peak over 25k. You did it right.

Someone has to kill the boss.

[prisma pond]

We send our huntards, monks, DHS and such

[lone junco]

We send 2warior. Dh. Monktank.

[primal violet]

@tardy yoke 2nd group, ur lucky, my guild puts me in 1st group

[tidal sedge]

and that also means not reapplying garrote till the first 3 wear off?

[primal violet]

and then i parse badly on that fight even if i 90%+ every other fight

[uneven summit]

Frenetic Corpusle is supposedly very bad according to all the lists etc. Just got it 380, sims 3 DPS lower than my 350 galecallers..?

[primal violet]

yah all the raid trinkets suck

[prisma pond]

Although the DH make sure to point out I'm only doing it to parse

Raid trinkets are shit

SHIT

[primal violet]

DOG SHIT

[tidal sedge]

lol 30ilvl difference and still worse

[uneven summit]

yeah but the agi is amazing, and it´s legit 3 dps on sims

[prisma pond]

RIP

we laugh at anyone who gets Ghuun trinket

[primal violet]

i have normal g'huun warforged to 365, i have heroic taloc trinket, and then some other shit agility proc trinket from the mythic cache, all chillin in my bags

rather use my 350 loaded dice and 355 fathoms

but it does feel bad when i have 1 365 and 2 370 trinkets i cant use cause they suck

[prisma pond]

One of hunters got. 385 dice with socket

[primal violet]

wow thats awesome

[prisma pond]

Nearly gkicked

[primal violet]

id do anything for that

[ebon prism]

Oh damn sin pulled so much ahead over other rogue specs. Is everyone swapping over now?

[tidal sedge]

keep those till they get buffed im sure they will eventually

[ebon prism]

From sims

[keen spruce]

@prisma pond i RL too

and kickbot

and soak

My GM doesn't trust anyone

that's why I play sin

no brain no pain

[magic plaza]

so in my stats weight haste is overall , i swap a ring which got haste mastery for mine which got crit mastery and my dps were lower ?

i mean my sim dps went down 😄

[hollow stone]

"So much ahead". Literally less than 1000dps between sub and sin at t22 bis

[lone junco]

@magic plaza use top gear and select a handfull of rings etc. it will pick the winner.

[keen spruce]

Yeah so if haste is your best stat... and you equipped a ring without haste... to replace a ring with haste... and your sim went down

[hollow stone]

And as we all know sin scales best. Always has. Always will

[keen spruce]

The math checks out

[lone junco]

Same with azerite low SS vs high laser etc.

[keen spruce]

I don't play outlul cuz I don't like pirates

I don't play sub cuz i'm lazy

I play sin so I can turn my brain off

[hollow stone]

You would hate my xmog then

[keen spruce]

and still top meters

[daring imp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5Rd3sawLRVqdTEtGWkkJzT fml

[acoustic aurora]

@SMH how can sin do so much damage and what it appears like you just sitting waitting for your next spell to come off cooldown lol?

@keen spruce

Been watching Fragrance in method play and yeah he its top tier player but he does his opener and then just auto attacks until the next spell comes off cooldown

lol

[keen spruce]

I love it when you're sitting at like 25k dps in your hero opener

and when hero runs out

you're literally just sitting there for 2.5 seconds

waiting for energy

[lone junco]

G g g Ct. afk for a drink.

[keen spruce]

still sitting at like 20k dps

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[keen spruce]

@void raft

[daring imp]

@lone junco shhhhhhhhh not so loud

[frail gate]

So people are race changing to troll for racial during exsang or what

[surreal rivet]

what does haste do for assa besides energy regen?

[lone junco]

I'll sit on that one. Ss sucks tbh. Use FOK and scent. 👀

[hollow stone]

People race changing to troll are dumb

Its a tiny tiny increase

[raven mica]

Just play panda for the extra 100 agility if you wanna tryhard that much

[inner leaf]

is there anything i should make sure to do after i am done with the opener?

[cloud spindle]

From sims it looks like a 100 dps from belf to troll

[hollow stone]

Yea. Tiny tiny

[inner leaf]

like pandemic stuff with ruptre?

[raven mica]

Also losing M+ utility when you swap off of belf

[daring imp]

me dat kind of orc

zug zug

[raven mica]

I’m the only panda rogue in existence anyways so

[hollow stone]

Orc master race. Zug zug fellow orc

[somber otter]

how do you play Sin in mythic +? coming from Sub

[daring imp]

3x SS

garrote garrote garrote

[hollow stone]

You spec sin and do m+

[daring imp]

rupture/fok/rupture/fok/rupture/fok/rupture/fok/rup... oh shit pack dead

[raven mica]

CT doe

[daring imp]

rupture/fok/ct/fok/rupture/fok/ct/fok/rupture/fuck, pack already dead

[exotic frigate]

guys am i applying Garrote on CD?

[daring imp]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[limber dagger]

Guys, Exs vs toxic blade in M+. From my understanding there is no bleed or poison build anymore since we always take Elaborate planing. SO how do i decide what to take? Havent played since Emerald nightmare 😒

[exotic frigate]

Am i applying Garrote on Cooldown or when it wears off...?

as its off cooldown so fast

[daring imp]

brain dead but not overly complicated and not punishing at all, toxic blade

[raven mica]

Yo don’t simyoself him for a question like that

[daring imp]

exsang makes the st rotation a bit more tricky than "TB ON CD"

[raven mica]

What if he like goes into a +10 and maybe needs some extra prio damage

[limber dagger]

@raven mica ty

[daring imp]

depending on your secondaries it might sim ahead of tb

[hollow stone]

Ok. Take tb then. Its easier.

[daring imp]

i'd start off as tb

[limber dagger]

i can handle Exs, im actually pretty used to play with it

[hollow stone]

They sim so close that it honestly doesnt matter in m+

[exotic frigate]

Am i applying Garrote on Cooldown or when it wears off...?
as its off cooldown so fast

Can someone please tell me? xD

[daring imp]

then sim it against tb

[raven mica]

I’d prooobably take exsang in a +10 and TB everywhere else

[limber dagger]

Just because TB is easier to handle?

[keen spruce]

when it goes into pandemic window (~5.5 seconds remaining on the garrote)

[daring imp]

and take into account that on m+ some priority targets will be easier zerged down as exsang

[exotic frigate]

ty

[daring imp]

like way easier

[keen spruce]

That feel when you can't play troll because your guild is alliance

[raven mica]

Just play panda

[daring imp]

^ lul

[raven mica]

It’s more dps anyways

[keen spruce]

I'd rather neck myself

in front of my own mother

than play panda

[tidal sedge]

xD

[hollow stone]

Just play human female. Best char model makes you do more dps

[keen spruce]

don't mind the discord picture

that's not important

[craggy helm]

Lol

[raven mica]

Belf female better model though

[daring imp]

female orc >>>>> sowwy bois

[hollow stone]

No way

[torn bear]

that stealth standing still

with BE or VE

[hollow stone]

Female orc = human male

[daring imp]

straight female orc

[keen spruce]

I'm a broken bottle wielding ginger dark iron now

[limber dagger]

soo i guess i can just play whatever i feel like 😃 probably gona stick to exs for the fun.. does the statweight still change when going for bleed build?

[keen spruce]

i was a sexy knife ear before

I kind of miss shadowmeld

[daring imp]

it changes a tiny bit, but overall i have the same priority ( haste>crit>mastery>vers) with exsang/tb

[keen spruce]

but fire blood against affliction locks is fucking priceless

[limber dagger]

alright thank you

[keen spruce]

oh you wanna drop 4 UA's on my face?

thanks for the 800 agi

[acoustic aurora]

You sure we need that much haste?

https://www.twitch.tv/fragnance

is only at 14%

And is ripping hard as fk

[keen spruce]

26% is the money zone

[daring imp]

i'm positive

[keen spruce]

just cuz you're tearing up booties at 14%... doesn't mean you won't tear more booties at 26%

[restive path]

So if I am on an unbuffed garrote/rupture and I cast exsang, do I reapply dots in pandemic window or wait

[keen spruce]

wiat

till almost gone

[restive path]

Got it . Someone told me to just reapply it

[keen spruce]

so my understanding is that let's say you have a 20s Garrote

that does 2k per tick

you exang

now it's a 10s garrote

with 4k tick

someone correct me if that's wrong

[restive path]

Yeah that’s what I thought too

[daring imp]

still 2k tick but faster ticks no? o_O

[keen spruce]

so you dont' want to overwrite

[hollow stone]

It ticks faster

[frosty oak]

one of the pvp rewards this week (dread gladiators vest) has shrouded suffocation, got mine as a 355 😄

[hollow stone]

Not more

[keen spruce]

okay so it's a 10s garrote

ticking twice as fast

[daring imp]

yea, 10s garrote ticking twice as fast, exactly

[keen spruce]

so you still don't want to overwrite

[hollow stone]

So its still 2k per tick but the ticks are twice as fast

[keen spruce]

yeah so same idea

[somber otter]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[keen spruce]

you don't want to overwrite with a slow one

[daring imp]

never overwrite exsang garrote

[acoustic aurora]

!opener

[restive path]

Makes sense

[radiant wharf]

Are assassination best spec atm?

[restive path]

Also for this week since tyrannical and bursting. Are you guys still running ct ?

Thinking about going back to pbomb

[inner leaf]

ok i found my problem looooool

omg

i didnt know you could cast garrote

out side of stealth

o

m

g

[limber dagger]

is CT generally better for M+ or is it situational?

[daring imp]

ct still rocking @restive path specially now you can pull way more than before 😛

[craggy peak]

i always thought opener was Garrote-Garrote-Rupture. did it change to Garrote-Rupture-Garrote?

[inner leaf]

fucking bravo

[daring imp]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xac5HPe_-CgXJo4yUiv_LJldqLu5WjPjUq9d0wRqmIg/edit#gid=0

[spice jungle]

With sharpened blades as a trait do I weave Poisoned Knife in occasionally?

[hybrid harness]

does anyone know if the healer add on mythic mother can be blinded out of its cast?

[keen spruce]

you go farm different traits

[daring imp]

cast at 28~30 stacks, @spice jungle , just don't let that shit cap and pray for crits and for SS drops

[inner leaf]

it can @ruby idol

[keen spruce]

@hybrid harness I dont' think any mother adds can be blinded

oh fuck me then

[craggy peak]

ty @daring imp

[spice jungle]

Will be replacing asap, thanks ❤ @daring imp

[strange python]

woot

Got dagger off mother

Gotten 3 weapon upgrade in 1 day

[daring imp]

jeez, i already got my 1k ap from coins this week

[frosty oak]

how are people getting garrote to crit for 25k? i can only get mine to hit for 19k and i have 3x ss

oh, lust?

[craggy peak]

i assume it’s worth dropping 1SS for Laser Matrix trait if i have 2 other SS right? At least for Uldir

[daring imp]

prepot, alleonn, or slightly more mastery, not sure

[craggy peak]

360 ilvl, still rocking 340 daggers, zzz

[lone junco]

Lust doesn't buff SS values.

Just vendetta. Trinkets. Ep. Gear. Multipliers.

[frosty oak]

i mean shouldnt it? if you get more overall damage with haste for garrote, then lust and exsang it takes ur overall damage and shortens it

[lone junco]

But 25-30k is fairly normal high values.

[frosty oak]

so with 100% haste say you do 200k garrote damage, then exsang and make it 400k

[lone junco]

It adds ticks.

[tame cobalt]

exsanguinate is used on cd after the first one right?

[frosty oak]

hmm

but overall haste adds damage then

just not per tick

[lone junco]

Tick rate at .6 sec instead of 2sec per.

[wild garnet]

I obtained this, it is better than the fathoms deck trinket?

[fluid burrow]

how many shrouded suffocation is it good to have. 2 or 3?

[uneven summit]

Aitor nop, sorry

[inner leaf]

looks like 3 is better than anything else atm

i believe

[wild garnet]

Okay, bloodmallet says it is, but I didnt thought so XD

[daring imp]

atleast 1, if you do mythic+ hope for 3, for overall raiding just

[tranquil dust]

stat prio for pvp anyone?

[craggy peak]

Hard to sim laser matrix trait because it doesn’t know how many stacks of the buff i have in uldir right?

[inner leaf]

or loaded dice 355

?

[craggy peak]

Trying to see if it’s worth dropping one SS for laser matrix. i assume laser is better

[tropic hull]

laser is proc. I don't like proc traits personaly

[daring imp]

^

[gilded mirage]

for me, using equal ilvl pieces, SS > LM by about 1.5%

[keen spruce]

Finally not parsing grey for ilvl https://i.imgur.com/lbpoEpE.png

[tropic hull]

garro te traits feels so good

[wild garnet]

Really useful, thanks Rex

[rotund barn]

Quick question, if your gonna exsan you wanna make sure you have a fresh garrote and rupture ticking correct?

[keen spruce]

yes daili

within reason

[rotund barn]

ok thats what I thought just wasnt 100% sure

[gilded mirage]

Gear Compare feature on Raidbots i fyou want to try it yourself

[robust light]

is it okay to pandemic garrote an already buffed garrote with another buffed garrote?

[void pecan]

Like in the opener, yes

But you shouldn't need to?

[lime panther]

Why ex before re re applying the vanish garr? Does the ex apply to the new garrotes cast? This is in the opener

[proven ice]

It’s a dps loss to

You want the full 23 twice

Instead of 23+18

[deft patio]

guys ive been thinking.. what spec is best for pve atm? sub or sin rogue?

[tranquil dust]

sin

[proven ice]

Yes

[deft patio]

how come?

[tranquil dust]

consistent

[twin rivet]

Is Master Poisoner good if i run high mastery cus rng f's me ?

[deft patio]

i always see outlaw or sub higher then me on dps meter in raids

[craggy peak]

So you can’t stack two pandemic ruptures together? Do i want to be refreshing as close to 0 seconds left as possible?

[deft patio]

btw does the overwhelming power trait stack?

[proven ice]

What? Rupture pandemics for sure

[craggy peak]

in the opener image it says “pandemic can only be applied one time and cannot be stacked”

[restive path]

It means u can’t go past the regular pandemic timer

[craggy peak]

i constantly refresh my rupture within the pandemic window, that’s correct right?

[restive path]

Yes

[craggy peak]

ok. the way it’s worded made it seem like a fps loss to pandemic a rupture that was already pandemic’d

dps*

[restive path]

Unless of course it will die within the window

[late niche]

even when it's and exsanguinated rupture?

[craggy peak]

right

[restive path]

No that’s when u don’t

Seems like everyone has to come to that conclusion since I’ve been asking that myself

[strange python]

380 scalpel and 355 scalpel, fuck yeah

enough luck for this week

[proven ice]

The question was about ss garrote quacks

[echo surge]

So how much do garrote crit for on dummys? Cus i cant seem to get higher than 7k crits :/

[proven ice]

So much

[hollow isle]

agi pot or bursting blood for sin?

[echo surge]

just reading people criting for 20k+

[strange python]

which fights do Sin shine in Uldir? I want to swap between Sin and Outlaw

[civic palm]

@lone junco 👌 It was someone else's idea O _O

[tardy yoke]

rofl, when mythrax bugs out and doesnt go out of intermission, but still takes dmg

[craggy peak]

@proven ice i know, i was just asking about rupture because of what the opener document said about stacking pandemics

[stiff sand]

does assassination need 2 daggers or just 1

[civic palm]

2

[craggy peak]

2 needed for mutilate

[civic palm]

[proven ice]

You can poison blade with maces I’m pretty sure

[tacit plinth]

are there going to be any more indepth guides?

[plain cairn]

My 340 SS shoulder sim higher than my 385 with blightborne infusion.... thats so sad lol

[tacit plinth]

ravenholdt is a bit high level atm

or maybe i missed it

[civic palm]

atm there's no more depth.

Blightborne Infusion is crap though > _>

Do note that SS is a shit trait if you're bad with it.

[tacit plinth]

Thats fine I just see a lot of people keep asking how to refresh dots on exsang

[civic palm]

Whereas Blightborne can't really be fucked up.

[tacit plinth]

I noticed DS is mentioned and not really played for this spec

so i was suprised nothing is mentioned about exsang on the guide

[civic palm]

EX is mentioned in the opener section and refresh logic has always followed the opener.

_>

[tacit plinth]

I mean I get that

I know but for the people who are going ot ask 10000000000 times in the future

figured this would be a good thing to bring up just in case

[craggy peak]

Laser Matrix also gives the stacking stat buff depending on how many bosses you’ve killed in Uldir, you would think that has to be better than one SS trait

[tacit plinth]

you can't tell me you dont want to increase the amount of times "check the guide" is typed out in this discord per day do you

[civic palm]

To be frank, doesn't matter what you do you're still gonna get people asking whether or not Assassination needs 2 daggers.

[tacit plinth]

lmao

I know its so wild

[civic palm]

That's a fundamental tenant of the class, on the tooltips that it's required, and people still ask about it.

[tacit plinth]

i've never understood how people can hang out in this discord all day, the monk ones even worse

[civic palm]

Is it?

_>

[tacit plinth]

the people who are in here seeing the same shit 1000 times per day

would drive me insane yall too strong

people dont even come in and like use the search function to see if its been talked about

[thin ingot]

the warlock one is kinda the same

[tacit plinth]

let alone check pins feels good man

[thin ingot]

except when they ask stupid shit they get memed

[civic palm]

Once you realize that people are going to ask these questions and that you can spend 3 years trying to make it cover everything, and then people still ask the same questions, you kinda just stop caring.

I still care to teach people, help them get better, and get them the answers they want.

It's just that people want to be told the answers and probably don't know where to find those answers.

[tacit plinth]

I just like all the sim yo self emotes

[civic palm]

👌

[plain thistle]

[ruby idol]

Hm pinged with the wrong answer to a question I didnt ask

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hushed turtle]

class discords are used as human query google for class info

[civic palm]

Well it's also that Discord is still rather new.

[calm grail]

Pretty much.

[civic palm]

and it's got a bunch of channels, and pins in EVERY channel, etc.

[vestal wren]

ppl see discord as personal support hotline and are angry if they find out its not

[civic palm]

JUST GIVE ME THE ANSWER

Well you see... it's complicated.

JUST ANSWER ME

[calm grail]

I like Discord as a place to find information (that's documented in the pins) and if I'm stuck I'll throw some ideas around.

[vestal wren]

this wont change tbh, if you want quick info you can go to a homepage and dont need to use discord

[calm grail]

Also like reading through the theorycrafting channels.

[civic palm]

One can hope that with enough time people will fucking click on the red dots in the UI, or be curious enough to poke around.

[fringe zodiac]

where do i find priest discord?

[calm grail]

Ooof

[civic palm]

Not here.

[fringe zodiac]

JUST ANSWER ME

[calm grail]

I'm pretty sure the homepage has all the links.

[vestal wren]

#rules-and-guides

has the class discords linked

[fringe zodiac]

thx

[nocturne cradle]

@fringe zodiac http://www.communitychristianchurch.com/

[civic palm]

Bingo.

[calm grail]

There we go.

[fringe zodiac]

Amen

[nocturne cradle]

🙏

[tropic hull]

got ghun trinket from box

FeelsBadMan

[calm grail]

Still running 355 Harlans and Fathoms.

Getting out of those two seems really specific for the upgrades I need

[tranquil wave]

So as I understand it, reorigination array will eventually be bis for uldir as time goes on for everyone. So would it be best to get one now?

[valid junco]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gAUsbtihHTJ9AycxfeQFp8

Fathom and sick wq forg

[fringe zodiac]

which boss drops it duocek

[calm grail]

Any piece that has an Uldir trait

[civic palm]

No bosses drop Reorigination Array, it's an effect from Laster Matrix or Archive of the Titans(?).

[calm grail]

Yeah

[tranquil wave]

So is it a good idea to get one now even if I'm saccing Ss trait?

[calm grail]

Right now with a 385 SS chest and 340 SS shoulders I'm kind of hoping for the laser Matrix hood from Mythrax.

Right now I have the archive of the Titans Hood from victus

Vectis*

But still even after the upgrade last night the passive gave me like 2.11% haste

[twin rivet]

1.2k Mastery Master Poisoner ?

[inner leaf]

Do I need to know about pandemic stuff?

Cuz it doesn’t look like there are guides for it

[calm grail]

Uhhhh

[inner leaf]

During regular rotation I mean

[calm grail]

Yeah.

[twin rivet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rmX1jMj8wqFDqLqmtxyGv8

i mean almost 360 but almost every piece has mastery :(

[nocturne cradle]

nice name

[civic palm]

_>

[twin rivet]

ty Momentine :D

[calm grail]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3MqbE9Uo6kigxxYxzcRNG2

[warm geode]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[tame cobalt]

@calm grail what traits you have?

[calm grail]

385/340 SS 370 Archive Triple Heed.

Got a big boy dagger from Mother which helped a bit too

Was running double 345s originally.

[tame cobalt]

i see. Did you try siming exsa?

[craggy peak]

@tranquil wave yeah i got the laser matrix heroic helm last night. it will definitely be better than SS eventually, i just don’t know when. you can’t really aim it because the sim doesn’t know how many stacks you are gaining from your boss kills

sim*

[frosty oak]

you are so lucky u got a 385 azerite SS piece

[calm grail]

Exsanguinate was only 20 DPS higher. without any unused trinket I don't want to bother with it yet, but as soon as I get a galecallers I'll swap

On use trinkets*

[burnt lagoon]

guys, what stats affect garrote dmg?

[calm grail]

All of them

[burnt lagoon]

I am looking at a parse similar to mine, but he is doing almost double my garrote dmg

and i am doing same empowered garrote rotation

[calm grail]

Uptime, traits etc

[burnt lagoon]

same, and same

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/HYqc3zJ6DGNPR71F/xjzwXArafd6R17py#fight=37,5&source=15,Deezam&type=damage-done

[calm grail]

Same ilvl?

[twin rivet]

the other rogue has 300 more Agility

[burnt lagoon]

is the 300 agility really that much dmg?

[civic palm]

Yeah it's like 400dps > _>

[jaunty lotus]

1 agi for me was like 1.8dps

or more

[sand whale]

can't you see the last part?

his damages spikes because last room + CDs

you flatlined

[burnt lagoon]

ah, we killed it in 2nd room

[calm grail]

It looks like you just cast stuff whenever you could but he used his at better times

And the agility difference

[hollow stone]

All about that cheese timing

Dont switch to the add and cause your group to wipe

[civic palm]

Hit him harder.

[hollow stone]

Bit your dps will be big!

[calm grail]

Wont it actually be bigger if you are multi dotting?

[hollow stone]

Not in my group. The add dies in less than 6 sec

Its a waste to swap

[calm grail]

Oh okay. Yeah fuck that.

[hollow stone]

Dh and frost mages man

[sturdy python]

Rofl

[calm grail]

I've been wondering if the fan of knives trait would be good for Zekvoz

I think it would fall off super heavy towards the end though.

For cheese

[hollow stone]

I tried it this week actually 1 fok 2 ss on heroic

[civic palm]

But yeah on Vectis if the add dies fast, just tunnel.

[calm grail]

Talent*

[hollow stone]

I think i got a 95 parse but it wasnt great :/

[calm grail]

FoK talent

[hollow stone]

Oh. Didnt try the talent

[civic palm]

If the add lives like, 10 seconds, rupture it and melee it while maintaining Vectis DoTs.

[hollow stone]

Cause im dumb and used ct

[calm grail]

I think it should have more than enough time to build up between

When they spawn

[hollow stone]

Yea it prob is

[calm grail]

Again though, later on it would suck dick probably.

I guess best case scenario they are all stacked and you get a poison bomb..?

[hollow stone]

I used ct and i did crush meters. But i also get first orb in p3

So its kinda hard to tell

[calm grail]

I think I'm just going to yoink an orb from somebody at the appropriate time

Like when my vanish comes back up

🤔

[hollow stone]

Yea. My cds lined up with it so i yelled at our ele sham trying to take it lol

Its 20 sec buff. Just like vend. Its made for us 😃

[potent forge]

The FoK Talent should have a toggle aspect so you could build up stacks without benefiting from the effect while still being able to cast it, then toggle it back on when you want to consume the effect

[hollow stone]

That would be nice but super niche

And too much like blade flurry me thinks

[potent forge]

It just feels stupid in aoe that isn't a 1 shot

[restive bluff]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[potent forge]

1 strong fok followed by a Shit load of 1 stack ones

[hollow stone]

Yea. Until now i hadnt seen anyone even mention that talent. Nuff said, right?

[frosty oak]

for dungeons (hard to sim) do you guys think it'd be better to run a 325 with SS or a 340 with shuriken toss?

[lime panther]

325

[potent forge]

325

[hollow stone]

Ss is incredible in m+

[fiery jasper]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[hollow stone]

Because you restealth constantly

Use ss at lower ilvl for dungeons

[frosty oak]

mk, and also another question, hero damage says the engineering azerite trait is best for aoe, would you guys agree or disagree with this for dungeons if ss is so strong w/ restealths?

so in other words 3x ss or 2x ss + 1 engineering

[potent forge]

SIM it

[hollow stone]

Not an engi so i cant say from experience but i would imagine ss is still better

Its tough to sim that

[frosty oak]

cant sim dungeons

[potent forge]

6 target fight 40 seconds no lust

[frosty oak]

oh

hmm

[zealous lily]

sin beats out outlaw for me pretty significantly on any extended multi target sim

[potent forge]

Or 20

[zealous lily]

shorter fights outlaw usually better

for cleave

that's with crimson tempest

[potent forge]

No way

[hollow stone]

Ehhhhh

For cleave i dont think so

[frosty oak]

how do you sim no lust?

[potent forge]

Outlaw is not better for cleave

[frosty oak]

on raidbots

[hollow stone]

For true aoe, maybe

[potent forge]

Cleave ave aoe are different

[jaunty lotus]

toggle advanced options and you can pick what raid buffs you want

[frosty oak]

ok ty

[potent forge]

And

[proven ice]

No way is SS not getting nerfed soon

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148613455379693568/489512448601358337/unknown.png

[potent forge]

Big surprise classes have a bis trait

More at 11

[hollow stone]

Lol. Go look at ww monk traits

Then lemme know how op ss is

[potent forge]

Every single class has that kinda breakdown right now

Legit everyone

[proven ice]

frost doesn't

[potent forge]

Arcane brain storm

Balance streaking stars

[hollow stone]

Yea. The tblast classes are the unfortunate ones

[potent forge]

Aff sudden onset

Etc...

WW swift roundhouse

[tacit plinth]

fuck swift roundhouse

[potent forge]

Dh revolving blades

[hollow stone]

Ret, frost mage, not sure who else has tblast bis trait but it seems like those classes need a buff to class specific traits

[tacit plinth]

ruined my class

ree

[spring lantern]

At least I got all 3 SS pieces from the mythics this week

Sin already simming higher than Sub for me

[frosty oak]

what the heck, i sim for 36k on 6 targets for a 40s fight, i feel like i can never get that high of dps, is there any way to figure out what type of rotation is going on in these sims?

w/o lust

[potent forge]

Not saying SS isn't really strong, but if they nerf it they have to touch half the other classes traits abbr compensate for the nerfs

[tropic hull]

garrote everyone

[frosty oak]

you can only garrote 3x on an opener tho

[tropic hull]

vanish

[silent crescent]

6 SS garrotes with vanish

[frosty oak]

oh....

trueeee

hm...

[hollow stone]

W 3x ss, vend, vanish and 360ish ilvl, 30k is def doable

Yea

[frosty oak]

dang im so dumb like i literally never think of using vanish on trash

[tropic hull]

vanish and you can apply 5? garrote

[potent forge]

6

[hollow stone]

In m+, vanish on trash is more valuable than on boss if youll get the full benefit of your garrs

Imo

[tropic hull]

yea

[potent forge]

Depends what you need

[tropic hull]

sin is trash 😃

[frosty oak]

dang

hmm

[tropic hull]

on aoe

[hollow stone]

Yea. Agreed. In general, thats my opinion

[frosty oak]

so is mfd better for mythic+?

[hollow stone]

Exceptions exist

[sand whale]

wut sin is trash on aoe?

[hollow stone]

Mfd is poop

[potent forge]

Sins aoe is really good unless your talking about adds dying in 3 globals

[frosty oak]

it sims higher than vigor for me on trash 6 mobs for 40s

[tropic hull]

i'm joking common

[slate jacinth]

Whats the correct use of exsanguniate? Im not sure I understand it. Whats the benefit of dots ticking 100% faster? If they tick for the same damage overall?

[tropic hull]

more dots ticks on enemy

[potent forge]

They do more dps

[spice surge]

You can have new dots afterwards

[hollow isle]

you guys using agi pot or bursting

[tropic hull]

more energy

[hollow isle]

for ass

[spice surge]

And you can use pots n stuff to make the damage go up

[dusky sparrow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[hollow stone]

Agi pots

[sweet rampart]

For Zul...what success have you guys found? Opening up garrotte on as much as you can and keep dots up? What strategies have you guys found to work best? Lots of envenoms? Or just literally focos on rupture/garrotte on every single target you can?

[waxen tide]

guys can someone explain why trinket from taloc is shit? seems good in theory

[spice surge]

Its just shit

Low stats

[waxen tide]

k ty

[hollow stone]

If it sims higher then give it a go. I cant come back from vigor. The opening energy is so nice to get those garrs and ct out asap

[forest beacon]

This has been my week for loot lolol

[waxen tide]

i got 395 ring with socket from mythrax normal

lol

[tropic hull]

casual 395

[waxen tide]

rip my luck forever

[potent forge]

They may end up buffing raid trinkets or Judy nerfing m+ trinkets do definitely hold onto it if you have one

[hollow stone]

Im happy to talk to you later today about what i did on zul as sin

If you dm me

[proven ice]

@slate jacinth think of exsanguinate an instant 16 seconds of rupture damage + 12 seconds of (SS+SF) garrote.

[waxen tide]

too bad rupture dmg sucks atm

guess it will scale later

[proven ice]

what

[frosty oak]

what are the agi prepots called?

[potent forge]

It doesn't suck

[proven ice]

battle potion of agility

[spice surge]

Compared to garrote, rupture does kinda suck

But in general no

[potent forge]

Garrote just hits really hard

[proven ice]

Is it not the same dps?

[spring lantern]

Whew Haste is already way higher than Agi for me

\

[waxen tide]

garrote deals a lot of dmg with the 3 traits i hope it doesnt get too nerfed 😄

how much haste do you have

[spring lantern]

Wait

[proven ice]

garrote is .12 ap per tick, rupture is .125

[spring lantern]

I could just be low

[potent forge]

Garrote can be empowered, rupture can't

[spring lantern]

786 haste

[vocal ferry]

would you rather use fathoms or construct overcharger hc?

[spice surge]

Check the herodamage trinket sims in the pins

[waxen tide]

i got overcharger hc have 340 emblem of zandalar

lol

[spice surge]

But its not even close, fathoms is so much better

[forest beacon]

Does Constructs Overcharger just have a super shit proc rate? Doesn't make sense how it sims so much lower than Landois

[weary hare]

Most trinkets you won't be replacing till very high ilvl ones from m+ tbh

[potent forge]

They will probably end up buffing raid trinkets

[spice frost]

Fathoms+365 socketed galecallers ftw baby

38% haste so nice

[weary hare]

Noice I got a 380 gc in my cache

[potent forge]

But then again, look at nature's call from emerald nightmare. Always trash.

[tropic hull]

@spice frost this is not legal

[spice frost]

Bro. Get one. The rune kinda lame, I’d rather it just be a buff, but 1250 haste is nothin to sneeze at

[potent forge]

That's why it's so high

[spring lantern]

I just got a 340 GC with Socket

[potent forge]

It's gimmicky

[full mural]

My haste sims higher then afi cheaper gems 😃

Agi

[spice frost]

Last I checked haste was 1.97 and agi was 1.86 for me.

[gleaming kelp]

370 dead spy glass

noice

[potent forge]

Which dungeon is spy glass

Or is it a wq

[spice surge]

Siege

[spice frost]

Sob

[potent forge]

Some bosses on tyrannical seem like a real bitch this week

[full mural]

PvP is value this week for the 355 SS piece

[potent forge]

Fortified is so much better imo

[undone cairn]

Tru

[spice frost]

Last boss in shrine is a cunt. Yazma in atal isn’t much fun either

[potent forge]

Maybe not sanguine necrotic but fortified is set better

[undone cairn]

3rd boss of Tol sucks

[primal violet]

lol kings rest w/ tyrannical is aids

the first boss is just aids

[spice surge]

Tbf atal is pretty much a free key

Its so much easier than almost every other dungeon imo

[spice frost]

I think I’d still take tyrann over fort in bfa

[primal violet]

did it on a +6 last night, with a full 355+ group and it was such aids

[potent forge]

Kings rest sucks without mass entangle

[spice surge]

You just kite the first boss in kings rest

[primal violet]

yah but its still aids

[spice frost]

Atal is easy up until yazma. Easy to mess up

[primal violet]

tho the throne room after is much easier w/o necrotic

[potent forge]

You have to drop the adds where you think the others will be by the time it's cast

[spice surge]

Well the adds shouldnt be moving very much as you should be slowing them

[primal violet]

i mean we did it and beat the timer, but that fight was much more difficult this week than last week, but the rest of it was easier

[spice frost]

Hitting a spider is a one shot unless you cheat death. The adds aren’t the problem, it’s just a long fight and the floor gets crowded

[potent forge]

I mean depends on your slow

Frost mage sure

[spice frost]

Did an 11 yesterday and we had timer until wiped on yazma

[primal violet]

cooby is that u in the pic

[spice frost]

No. Guildy posted a selfie. It’s been my prof pic since

[fading socket]

Whats GC?

[potent forge]

Galecallers probably

[alpine hedge]

ghost crawler

[steep citrus]

gastric cancer

[primal violet]

ah @spice frost tell him 2005 called and wants its scene hair back

[spare bane]

Yazma is rough. Spiders do like 90-95k if you hit them

[primal violet]

CoS

[proven ice]

Hey- our tier 3 cloak heal scales with haste.

awesome.

That's like a 20k heal

[spice surge]

Its still a very mediocre trait outside of pvp where you can dispel plenty of debuffs

[proven ice]

What's top tier for that?

tier 3

[keen spruce]

I like the one where if you take 10% of your health at once you get a bunch of armor and avoidance

[proven ice]

lol?

[spice surge]

I mean, its gonna depend on what type of damage your taking

[proven ice]

how much is 150 avoidance?

[keen spruce]

[spice surge]

Generally i think that the one that heals you every time you take damage is pretty good, but so is budget prydaz

But if you can cloak any debuff the cloak one is pretty insane

[proven ice]

They're all pretty situational

The on-demand is very good though.

Prydaz is often just padding raid damage

[spice surge]

But they're not like hunters. Get a 15k shield everytime you feign 🤔

[proven ice]

lol, that shit is amazing

[spice surge]

Per trait that is

[strange python]

if you spec exang, do you still refresh dots during pandemic window?

[civic palm]

Footpad or Longstrider is probably BiS.

for raids.

[proven ice]

not while the esang is ticking family

[inland path]

how long til x3 garrote is nerfed its getting boring af playing sin again

[civic palm]

Won't get nerfed.

[lime panther]

Where does his shoulders drop w ss / 2ndary

[civic palm]

You won't have SS for long.

[strange python]

So let it fall entirely before refreshing?

[spice surge]

SS shoulders drop from freehold

Nowhere else

😄

[severe niche]

yes let it fall off

make sure to pool a bit before hand

to insta apply them again

but still try to keep ep up towards the end

[proven ice]

wow community: we miss tier pieces changing our raid APL
Also wow community: this thing that changes our apl is lame.

[inland path]

saying it wont get nerfed 🤔

[civic palm]

haha

It won't get nerfed.

[inland path]

because it drops in m+

lol

[civic palm]

It should get its' bugs squashed though.

[inland path]

nice logic

[spice surge]

I mean

[oblique pewter]

Hey guys

[civic palm]

👋

[spice surge]

If people cant get above 355 of a trait, then its not gonna be very competitve most of the time with 385's

[oblique pewter]

Could you guys tell me if there's a huge diff bbeetween exsang and non exsang build

[tidal sedge]

quick question im sure its been asked 100 times today

[oblique pewter]

what would sim the higher with the highest gear

[civic palm]

SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE

[oblique pewter]

i'm on it already

[spice surge]

Except SS which is insane in dungeons, but it will get outscales by others for ST

[tidal sedge]

you use exsang after 3 garrots and rupture? or after you rupture everyone

[oblique pewter]

But there's no anwsers

[strange python]

@oblique pewter i only sim like 30 dps higher with exsang

[oblique pewter]

Alright

Thanks for the answer fam

[civic palm]

is in that as well.

I SIM over 100dps difference between the two.

Gotta find out for yourself.

[tidal sedge]

i simmed like 400 dps different

[gusty anvil]

Mines like couple hundred

[tidal sedge]

with exsang iron wire best

[gusty anvil]

More haste it's better

[strange python]

Are you supposed to refresh bleeds before exsang or use on cd?

[proven ice]

get full pandemic first

[steep citrus]

anticipate and refresh bleeds so you can still use on cd

but refresh bleeds

[strange python]

will make for an interesting juggle

[civic palm]

Just follow the guide, EZPZ 👌

[keen spruce]

[civic palm]

The guide at the literal top of the discord channel.

[keen spruce]

If exang is like 15 seconds out from CD, take a look at your bleeds and see if there's anything that should be done to setup a solid exang

and try to get them fully refreshed as close to the exang as possible

[steep citrus]

in the guide on pull it says with TB to let garrote drop before you vanish and reapply

[lime panther]

So fh for shoulders , shrine for helm / gc in m+ and chest from weekly conq = 3 ss then?

[steep citrus]

shouldn't you vanish and reapply during pandemic?

[spice surge]

@lime panther M+ doesnt drop azerite pieces

[steep citrus]

since you're extending empowered with empowered

[strange python]

People seem to think these guides are much more exhaustive than they are

[lime panther]

Yeah gc

[steep citrus]

no downdime

[keen spruce]

@lime panther There's SS shoulders in the raid as well

[sinful lotus]

Hey guys, i get the opening rotation with PB and XSang on ST. When you Vanish, do you Gar-Rup-Gar again, or just 1x Gar. What's the rotation during the vanish phase?

[civic palm]

The guide will explain to you what you need, if you ask a question that is answered by the guide you must take 20 lashings.

[keen spruce]

just G G R

[lime panther]

Ohh ? Which boss

[keen spruce]

picklefuzz

because you should already have a rupture running

[proven ice]

PHUP, you want the full 23+23, instead of the 23+18 on empowered garrote. That's why you don't pandemic over your empowered garrote

[keen spruce]

so there's no reason to 3 cp rupture on the second vanish

[steep citrus]

it will still be full 23 + 23

that's how pandemic works

[keen spruce]

^

[proven ice]

Only if you let the first fall off.

[civic palm]

If you Vanish G G you lose w/e time was on the previous G.

[proven ice]

^

[steep citrus]

oh yeah, you're double garroting.

i get it

[keen spruce]

^^

[civic palm]

If you are refreshing into Empowerment from an unEmpowered G you can just Vanish G.

[sinful lotus]

So vanish then 1 Gar then?

[keen spruce]

I'm gonna keep putting arrows up

until the person above me is correct

[civic palm]

lol

[keen spruce]

Vanish 2 garrotes picklefuzz

[sinful lotus]

But you're supposed to let the Gar completely drop off before Vanish right? Since it was empowered by your initial Pull sequence and Xsang?

[keen spruce]

after letting your opening garrote

[proven ice]

You only need to let it fall off in the opener, because all other garrotes will be normal.

[keen spruce]

burn all the way down

[civic palm]

If for some reason you are refreshing into Empowerment from a G that is under 4 seconds you need to Vanish G G.

[sinful lotus]

ok cool, so Vanish 2x Gar , cool

[keen spruce]

Opener garrote and exang garrotes

let them burn down

everything else refresh in pandemic

[proven ice]

yes

[keen spruce]

[sinful lotus]

i follow the standard rotyation. Stealh, gar - rup - Gar - Vendetta/Trink, Mut - Rup - XSang

[proven ice]

Only need to garrote once in your vanishes that aren't following your opener

[sinful lotus]

Envenom until Bleeds are going to drop, then Vanish

then i was confused

[onyx wind]

When checking openere in logs, how do you get the layout

[civic palm]

But only if you are getting the max pandemic time.

[lime panther]

Ex effect applies to new bleeds added on target correct? I thought it was bleeds already on target

[onyx wind]

which people use

The timeline with ability usage

[proven ice]

Or on things like Taloc, where you will double garrote folowing elevator phase.

[lime panther]

I never used it in legion so

[civic palm]

EX snapshots stats and bleeds.

[keen spruce]

@lime panther only current bleeds

[civic palm]

If you reapply a bleed you lose the EX'd bleeds.

[keen spruce]

turbo bad for dps

if you overwrite you exang bleeds

[civic palm]

Extremely bad for DPS.

[keen spruce]

right away

i've done that

you can just watch your numbers drop

Had graphics turned to high up on a 30 man zul zerg group

input lag was like 5 seconds

[lime panther]

So you're only ex the rupture then and like half emp gar on the opener correct, then van gar gar? Or wait for drop off and van gar gar?

[dawn merlin]

so, got a construct overcharget 370 from taloc

[steep citrus]

if we can manage to have a couple cp, woudl it be better to vanish -> g -> envenom -> g on the second garrote to get an extra gcd worth of empowered garrote?

[dawn merlin]

and its a 2% loss compared to GLC at 350 and darkmoon

hmm

[keen spruce]

unlucky @dawn merlin

[civic palm]

You wait for EVERY empowered Bleed to fade.

[keen spruce]

it's a dps loss to a 345 Galecallers and darmoon

[civic palm]

DO NOT overwrite empowered Bleeds.

[spice surge]

@dawn merlin If you get it at 400 its an extremly minor upgrade over darkmoon

[little frigate]

yep @dawn merlin had the exact same thing happen to me

[dawn merlin]

well, will keep it in case it gets buffed

[keen spruce]

I'm pretty sure it's a dps loss to a 340 Galecallers

I know my 345 simmed higher

[spice surge]

Yea definitely even compared to a 325 one

[dawn merlin]

that's just ridiculous

[civic palm]

(the only time you overwrite an empowered bleed is when you are Garrote > Garroteing)

[spice surge]

Assuming you can actually stand in your galecaller

[keen spruce]

Pretty sure it beats a 325

[dawn merlin]

but trnket balance has always been weird I suppose

[keen spruce]

[civic palm]

Assuming you can actually USE your GC correctly, yeah.

[spice surge]

The trinket is just horrendously understated

[keen spruce]

The trinkets in the raid for rogues are hot garbage

[sweet rampart]

after the full opener, into the vanish > 2x Gar. do you guys pool for about 2-3 seconds with the 5 CPS and let rupture fall off and refresh it? I feel like i should be doing something in that time haha

[keen spruce]

yeah depending on what's left on the exang buffed rupture

[proven ice]

opener:
Gar rupture gar vendetta mute rupture esang.
refresh rupture when its 0
Vanish when garrote is 0 and garrote twice.

All others:
vanish with 2 cp, gar rupture, esang, vendetta

[keen spruce]

I'll either envenom then mute mute rupture

or pool and rupture

[sweet rampart]

It is about 2-3 seconds for me according to my WA

[keen spruce]

If you hero on pull the timing gets weird

[zenith cedar]

no

u just add an extra mut mut envenom before vanish

and its fine

[rancid oxide]

We want to wear 2 ss with 1 laser or archive while in raid right?

[keen spruce]

if you mute mute envenom before vanish

[zenith cedar]

you can also

[keen spruce]

you'll be energy starved

[sinful lotus]

@proven ice So when you're next round of coolies line up (Vanish, Vendetta, Xsang). You onlr Gar once into a Rup? You don't Gar x 2 then rup?

[zenith cedar]

not with lust lol

[keen spruce]

no not with lust

[zenith cedar]

with lkust youll be almost capped

Im talking in the case you lust on pull

[keen spruce]

but you can't throw it it before vanish

[proven ice]

@sinful lotus your vanish will turn the garrote already on into a pandemiced SS garrote, so you only need 1

[keen spruce]

because your garrote is dropping

[zenith cedar]

yes so

mut mut, vanish, garrote, envenomn garrote

on lust

rather

[sinful lotus]

@proven ice So you're not letting it drop off?

[zenith cedar]

youre losing CP

[proven ice]

You only let the first one fall off

[zenith cedar]

if you dont let it drop off you get fucked fro mExsang

anyways

[proven ice]

and any esanguiated ones

[zenith cedar]

you let ie fall off for like half a second

[steep citrus]

but if you vanish > g > something > g you can get 23 seconds + 1gcd of buffed garrote

[shy mica]

!opener

[sinful lotus]

@proven ice Ah ok makes sense. So if it's not Xsang Buffed, you can safely Vanish refresh it then

[keen spruce]

deep ree

[shy mica]

is the best opener in the ravenholdt guide?

[civic palm]

Yes.

[steep citrus]

this is in the not opener i mean

[civic palm]

All of these questions were answered in the guide O _O

[proven ice]

Is 1 second of empowered garrote worth a mutilate worth of damage? I don't think it is.

[zenith cedar]

Lust oepner for me has had WAY too much energy

[keen spruce]

yeah i'm capped through all of hero

[zenith cedar]

To be fair the guide is not very throghouh at all

[civic palm]

1 second of EMP Garrote is ~3k DMG

[keen spruce]

I can't click fast enough to spend energy

during hero

and since my GCD goes down as my regen goes up

[polar timber]

click?

[zenith cedar]

My Hero opener has been envenom heavy while just trying to roll my dots properly

[keen spruce]

there's no catching up

[polar timber]

jk

[keen spruce]

[proven ice]

And mutilate is ~6k not counting in the poision procs.

[keen spruce]

as long as you get your opener off clean

[civic palm]

think this is accurate still

[keen spruce]

just spamming mut and envenom

like a mad man

[civic palm]

Yeah, a little higher at 350.

[proven ice]

that last tick tho..

wtf

[civic palm]

It's due to haste values rolling damage over.

[steep citrus]

hasted partial tick

[proven ice]

ah

[civic palm]

"partial tick"

[proven ice]

gotcha

[civic palm]

I think that was @ 345, somewhere around there.

[steep citrus]

ok, so let's say i'm bad and don't hit vanish envenom right at 5.4 seconds, and do it at 3 seconds due to the timing on things and when vanish came off cd

[vale scroll]

kinda new to assassin, is a 355 azerite gear without shrouded better than a 340 with shrouded?

[civic palm]

Garrote twice in that case.

[steep citrus]

is it worth a double g then?

[civic palm]

Garrote ticks every 2 seconds and EX just speeds that up so you want as much damage in the Empowerment window as possible.

[tulip wedge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[worldly orbit]

on fights like zek'voz, how should i deal with the small adds?

[steep citrus]

the 2nd vanish after opener lines up with exsang. after that do you hold anything?

[civic palm]

If Vendetta is close to it make sure the 20 seconds of Vendetta covers an Empowerment window.

[keen spruce]

@worldly orbit FoK

Maybe take crimson tempest if you're really struggling with getting them down

spread ruptures and garrotes

don't laser your raid

standard multi target

zek voz doesn't dps check until 20% health

so it's better to make sure you're positioned to get out of the pack if you get laser'd

when we cleared heroic I wasn't even dpsing the small adds when SS and sprint were on CD

in case I got lasered

[civic cedar]

does anyone have a WA that shos if garrote is empowered (by subterfugeand shrouded sufication) and when its not

[keen spruce]

cuz they slow tf out of you

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[proven ice]

all of the standard weak auras will glow in the pandemic window.

[keen spruce]

@civic cedar most of those do

[civic palm]

Glows are dumb, mine don't glow.

[keen spruce]

The number text on mine just turn from white to green

less intrusive then glow