yeah u can
#assassination
gleaming condor
north terrace
@little frigate yes. Your weapon dps in the main hand matters quite a bit and higher ilvl dagger will always have higher dps
little frigate
damn, do i have to swap around enchants now?
paper bough
why
paper bough
i have that
past harbor
I don't get why they ilvl hotfixed that shit
fading adder
Stupid blizzard gate keeping ilvls
little frigate
cause my main hand has quick navigation now -.-
past harbor
ridiculous
paper bough
im more interested to know if any of the farmed gear has SS traits from WF
gleaming condor
cuz they like gating it
north terrace
@little frigate no, theyll proc at the same rate
paper bough
any of the pvp rewarded gear
little frigate
pfew, thanks xeno!
gleaming condor
i got that phat azerite chest from pvp box with 0 traits available
little frigate
main hand is left side right? - just in case -
north terrace
Yes
gleaming condor
I have hc fetid chest but still, shits bugged
paper bough
does any of the pvp azerite shit have SS on it?
little frigate
arigato gozaimasu!
paper bough
cause im going to farm the dick out of warfronts
gleaming condor
i think the chest does
paper bough
if it does
gleaming condor
don’t quote me tho
pine grove
It does.
past harbor
how do you farm WF
vital dew
does shrouded suffocation buff the dot? or is it total damage done
stuck shuttle
what
past harbor
@gleaming condor I thought the drops are just once a week
north terrace
@vital dew each dot 
paper bough
@gleaming condor the gear from WF is all 340 right?
gleaming condor
@past harbor are u ally?
paper bough
it cant warforge?
vital dew
oh that is potent af
gleaming condor
@paper bough yes it can
paper bough
the azerite gear can?
gleaming condor
no
lone junco
One SS garrote is 100k damage. Without vendetta.
past harbor
@gleaming condor na, just ran it once for that quest tho
gleaming condor
off pieces can
paper bough
and you get 1 piece each time?
gleaming condor
@past harbor u can grind the warfronts all day u get a piece at end each time
340
lone junco
Dpe in cleave is absurd.
gleaming condor
it can proc warforge
past harbor
@gleaming condor oooooooooooooooo
past harbor
@gleaming condor someone said above it has the azerite trait, is it confirmed whether or not it does? I thought it doesn't
fading socket
Hmm, so exsang vs Toxic blade. Is it worth to go from toxic to exsang for +190DPS? i have 2 SS in gear
stuck shuttle
idk, is it?
stuck shuttle
do you think its worth it
north terrace
@fading socket not sure i understand your question... 190 dps is a lot and whether or not something is worth it is your personal opinion
hollow flicker
hey for CT do you just maintain it in AoE or is it used as your CP dump?
fading socket
@north terrace well to explain my question 😛 How mush is 190dps. I'm new to the simming business for example 😦 but people like hecktix attacks as soon a "stupid" question comes from me
woven dragon
Yeah he never said it was stupid
north terrace
You can click a thing in the sim to show how much % it is
fading socket
my bad
stuck shuttle
we can't tell you what to do
north terrace
I would say 190 dps is definitely a lot at this gear level
woven dragon
TB is easier to play exang is less forgiving but typically yields better results if played right
fading socket
never played exsang and i like challenges, so maybe i should spec it for the challenge and the extra dps. Its a win win then ^^
grizzled harness
190 is 1%
cedar anchor
hello, wanna ask - if i use battle pot of agi after i apply bleeds, does it affect them, or not ?
paper bough
is ravenholdt the best place to use for a guide to learn assa in m+
and if not can someone point me to the right place
gleaming condor
@past harbor I looked it up for u
7th legionnaire tunic
It drops from WF and has the SS trait
grizzled harness
There was a survey a few weeks ago that said that a lot of people prefered a simpler rotation, even when losing 20 to 30% DPS
gleaming condor
Also the conquest PVP chest has it, which is the tears this week
grizzled harness
Befause you can focus on mechanics
gleaming condor
cap this week*
grizzled harness
So 190 is nothing, play what suits you
past harbor
@gleaming condor thanks man, appreciate it
paper bough
the pvp cq chest is the same one i would try to rng farm from warfront slim?
stuck shuttle
They need to nerf galecallers or buff the raid trinkets.
stupid that a 370 trinket is worse than a 340
wispy leaf
do i use exsang always on cd?
lone junco
I'll keep GC. Thx.
north terrace
Definitely not nerf imo
hollow flicker
hey for CT do you just maintain it in AoE or is it used as your CP dump?
north terrace
Ghuun trinket needs a huge buff honestly
stuck shuttle
Seldom, you use 2nd on CD as close as you can
1st and 3rd should line up with vendetta
late niche
they should nerf the SPEED of gc, shit's op
stuck shuttle
and vanish
lone junco
G g g Ct. tab ruptures on elites. Then refresh Ct. if a lot of mobs. FOK Ct ham.
rose wharf
Do we use CT on St?
stuck shuttle
no
stuck shuttle
its ass on ST
north terrace
@stuck shuttle ive heard that before but also heard if you have gc you should line it up with the first couple exs
rose wharf
just wondering because PB simmed with like 300more for me so i was wondering if PB is bad or the sim uses CT ST
stuck shuttle
if you have GC then you pop it before exsang
hidden merlin
damn is lasermatrix this much better compared to triple ss? got a headpiece 370 with lasermatrix
stuck shuttle
definitely line it up with the first one
and the 3rd
2nd exsang you don't want to delay exsang for trinket
past harbor
do you guys roll with sin when you're pushing low keys or do you swap to something more bursty like outlaw?
rose wharf
GCc = ?
north terrace
Yeah but do you hold 3rd exs for gc/vanish/vendetta then? Or hold those 3 for 4th exs
drifting pebble
better dagger in mg or oh?
rain breach
Voldun worldboss drops 355 HEAD with SS trait btw
north terrace
Well itd be 4th exs right?
north terrace
Vanish is 2m though
north terrace
3rd should come up at 1m30s
north terrace
But if youre going to hold 3rd for vanish and all that you could technically hold 2nd for your 2nd GCB
Because your second will come up 15s before gcb, if you hold youll still have a 15s hold on the 3rd
knotty dew
GCB?
stuck shuttle
galecallers boon
knotty dew
Ah, everyone rolling that now?
north terrace
So my point is that you should either hold it twice for gcb and then gcb/van/ven or just hold gcb/van/ven for the 4th
late niche
how exactly does haste affect our dots in bfa? Faster ticks?
north terrace
I'm guessing it depends on if there's vulnerability phase and the timing of it for whether to do which thing lol
opaque grotto
Faster ticks = more energy
north terrace
But then you need to know fight timing ahead of time
opaque grotto
Haste is super good
late niche
dot ''bleeds'' faster or does it just add ticks to the full duration?
opaque grotto
Adds ticks
north terrace
Adds ticks
opaque grotto
Duration doesn’t change
opaque grotto
@north terrace I delay 2nd exsang for galecaller’s but you gotta nail your timing when vendetta/vanish rolls around
north terrace
Which means you double up on energy regen with haste. First for the natural energy generation then again for the extra ticks from bleeds for venomous
@opaque grotto yeah thats what I was thinking. However against like mother/fetid/ghuun it may change if the vuln phase would better line up witg 4th exs
wheat zealot
I have yet to get a gcb above 340 feelsbadman
north terrace
Because then Id think it'd be better to have exs/gcb/ven/van combo for vuln
opaque grotto
Lowkey I use gcb to keep up with winds on MOTHER lmfao
It’s the perfect amount of speed
tidal sedge
hey guys just wanted to pop in and let you all know that i just got the dagger from mother out of my mythic dungeon quest box B-)
opaque grotto
Speed I will 1 up you
late niche
god bless you
north terrace
That's honestly the hardest part for sin imo. Trying to get cds during those vuln phases
tidal sedge
guildies get mad cause im gettin everything lol
kindred abyss
link it so i can gush
opaque grotto
I got the heroic dagger to drop off MOTHER
Then I bonus rolled
And got another one
knotty dew
Lol
opaque grotto
So now I have 2 370 crit/haste daggers
north terrace
I'm still rocking 345 warforge from M0 :(
opaque grotto
It’s LIT
pure sparrow
i wish they would remove azerite traits from the game
pure sparrow
im getting so sick and tired of having literally 15 different items from different specs because shit like SS is so good
wheat zealot
I still have x2 350 xings
tidal sedge
i have the mother dagger and the pvp weekly dagger from last week
wheat zealot
Feelsbadman
north terrace
Trying to figure out if i want to just roll on mother normal and heroic or zul normal mother heroic this week lol. Not sure my group will down zul heroic this week
tidal sedge
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/wyrmrest-accord/Ravish i too have 3 SS traits
north terrace
Or maybe mother/fetid heroic lol
north terrace
I just got my third ss last night in m shrine
tidal sedge
i love looking at my damage and seeing garrote do like 50%
north terrace
@pure sparrow yeah the 30 ilvls on the chest would be awesome
wind berry
Do we allways go for pandemic R and G outside of cooldowns or you just try to snap it with EP ?
golden mulch
WB drops ss helm
north terrace
But then i have to wonder if the chest drops for me or even someone else who doesn't want it since we'll clear normal before going heroic lol
stuck shuttle
i have 3xSS
golden mulch
btw do i play with exsanguinate in raid when i have tripple SS?
stuck shuttle
just 370 pieces sim better
tidal sedge
is exsang actually doing good?
pure sparrow
better than TB
tidal sedge
i guess i should start running with that then
golden mulch
so when i sim higher i exsang in raid as well allright
stuck shuttle
yes
stuck shuttle
yes
north terrace
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/19/#difficulty=4&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination&combatantinfo=Talents that's how well exs is doing
Number 1 talent on all bosses heroic and normal by a wide margin lol
warm cove
why is construct overcharger so bad? a 370 one looks better than a 340 galecallers on paper
stuck shuttle
because the raid trinkets are bad in general
north terrace
@warm cove gcb + exs is op
stuck shuttle
i really hope they bfuf them
tidal sedge
wait how is ironwire better than prey on the weak
stuck shuttle
because ironwire is better for heroic + mythic
north terrace
@tidal sedge just what people run on bosses
north terrace
Prey on the weak is worthless a lot in boss fights.
warm cove
i do toxic blade, and the diff is 50 dps, favor for galecaller, but i can assume that i loose that 50 dps by sometimes moving out of galecallers right?
north terrace
Even with adds that are stunnable the waste of cps hurts quite a bit
stuck shuttle
thats the link
tidal sedge
yeah i can see that
stuck shuttle
to fully maximize Galecallers
you have to stand still
so its not always optimal
but it depends on how you use it mid fight
warm cove
ye i mean, in an actual fight, the trash 370 trinket is likely to perform at least the same right?
fierce pivot
Can some one go over what you do in M+ on aoe packs?
tidal sedge
ugh i just want to sim talents without logging back in to get my simc data
pure sparrow
set bleeds off on targets who will live
press aoe button
envenom priority target
afk
north terrace
@fierce pivot g-g-g-ct-> fok/rupt spam
fierce pivot
whats ct?
north terrace
Then once you have a few with rupt you env and ct as necessary
warm cove
are you guys using poison bomb or ct for m+?
pseudo light
Crimson tempest
trail plank
Hey I have two rogues in my guild that are performing below par atm, is it allowed to share logs on here to see what y’all think?
pseudo light
is ct worth it for this affix?
pure sparrow
link
trail plank
One is Assassin the other Outlaw
stuck shuttle
sure @trail plank
pure sparrow
i want to look
noble parrot
depends on the group comp really, if you got aoe dps then no
fierce pivot
so tab target garrote, CT, spam fok, tab rupt
trail plank
You’re looking at Valkiryens & Taofilae https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tQAMpdrYcWvBC1n6/
pure sparrow
master poisoner needs to switch
warm cove
i just swapped from outlaw, and it's so easy, at least before the nerf to keep like double or sometimes triple that dps
lone junco
Will be funny to play snake with GC. Staaabbs!
trail plank
Nah I’m the holy paladi
stuck shuttle
Valkiryens rotation is completely wrong
trail plank
He copied my name
warm cove
fast af
high siren
holy shit that blood dk
stuck shuttle
and then he mutilated
warm cove
avg 3k dps as outlaw, the most overtuned spec last week
pure sparrow
theres no need to even look at the logs, he's just not playing sin at a base level
stuck shuttle
and he's using the wrong talents
void raft
do you only double garrote and double rupture on opener?
pure sparrow
looks like not even the most basic research into the class was done
void raft
else its keep 5pc and garrote up until next exsang?
void raft
sorry i knew that
trail plank
So
void raft
i meant g - r - g - mut - r
stuck shuttle
@trail plank I don't mind giving some info if u need
trail plank
They need to uninstall?
void raft
is that only on opener?
stuck shuttle
im 8/8H top 100 guild
warm cove
i can speak for the outlaw
tidal sedge
i double garrote like all the time on boss fights
warm cove
he should either uninstall or buy a mouse
pure sparrow
LMAO
split dirge
maybe im reading it wrong but Valk also doesnt look to have used vanish on opener
at least on taloc
pure sparrow
noble parrot
my real question is why that DK has 900k Auto Attack damage lol
high siren
@warm cove maybe he as bad aim, that would explain those little pistol shots
pure sparrow
check pins on here and in the outlaw section
trail plank
Thank you @stuck shuttle I’m going make them come here and fix their shit
warm cove
hehe
high siren
hehe
pure sparrow
they need to look at the basics
warm cove
yup
trail plank
Back up off my dk thanks
safe matrix
Remember to not be toxic in your criticism. It's generally not advised to tell someone to uninstall.
Just for the future
👀
tidal sedge
wow ironwire and exsang is like a 400 dps increase compared to potw and tb
trail plank
They’re my raiders and I love them I’m just playing ♥️
high siren
lol
pure sparrow
just toxic blades
noble parrot
Nah dude he is like a 99th precentile parce. It just looks crazy when 30% of a classes damage is melee hits
noble parrot
nah the dk, I know hte combat build
high siren
the first hit is a pistol shot
dusky idol
Hey I plan to play some Uldir 's boss in assa, how much %hast do u think I need to play an efficient rotation
high siren
maybe he wanted to snare the boss first
pure sparrow
sim
warm cove
wait waht
keen spruce
@dusky idol as much as you can get
pure sparrow
you'll be able to pull off the rotation at any haste percentage
noble parrot
but he is doing the snek build?
pure sparrow
well, other than like, 0
noble parrot
thats a big no no
keen spruce
I was doing fine at 8%, I was doing better at 12%, I'm doing better at 16%, but I'd like to be 26% 
dusky idol
Actually for me hast sim higher than agility xD
warm cove
to keep stacks at all times
noble parrot
he is also running Killing spree
pure sparrow
so go get some more of that there haste
warm cove
you do that with meme snake bc double dagger cant blade rush
but he is doing meme snake procing the snake buffs only once
at least on taloc nm
keen spruce
-outlaw
fierce pivot
Would you guys critique my logs?
pure sparrow
post
safe matrix
You can even just send him this
tidal sedge
what is this meme snek build lol
high siren
prisma monolithBOT
Snek Build:
-Use standard mainhand/offhand, and Snake Eye traits.
-Rotation: Reroll RtB when out of Snake Eye buffs, dispatch (bte if RP is up or DS traits) if full combo points and Snake Eye buffs still up. Use other cds as the guide recommends, use pistol proc as usual.
-Note: With 1+ snake eyes traits reroll anything that isn't 2+ buffs once you are out of snake eyes stack and with 3 snake eye traits reroll anything that isn't a five buff. Play standard outlaw rotation for the time you have these.
This is not a substitution for reading the guide, just meant as a quick reference if you have Snake Eye traits.
safe matrix
!snek
fierce pivot
high siren
keen spruce
There's a a page for 
utlaw
safe matrix
^
high siren
sorry
noble parrot
he cant be doing the meme snek cuz he has dispatches
keen spruce
keep that dirty pirate hooker stuff out of my sin page
noble parrot
so he should be running blade rush
pure sparrow
lol
mystic fractal
do i need multiple SS for exsang to be good?
keen spruce
mystic fractal
that's prob a sim question isn't it.
safe matrix
Snake has dispatch now
keen spruce
no @mystic fractal
pure sparrow
i was looking for the assassination icon since he posted those
stuck shuttle
it is a sim question
pure sparrow
go to outlaw
stuck shuttle
great answer
stuck shuttle
@safe matrix how you doin today bby
safe matrix
Eh, I'm not sick anymore
keen spruce
Speaking of outlul, my friend who only plays pirate got a 385 SS + Heed my call shoulder from his mythic cache 
stuck shuttle
FeelsGoodMan
safe matrix
But there are so many fotm rerollers asking the same few questions all over
pure sparrow
whats the problem with fotm
void raft
this community should be open to FOTM
pure sparrow
why force yourself to play the worse simming spec when none of them are hard
stuck shuttle
its not that really
it's people coming in here asking questions, without doing basic research on their own first
void raft
well assassin isn't exactly cut/white rotation
stuck shuttle
when there's literally a guide pinned in every channel
void raft
it has a nuance
pure sparrow
yeah thats p annoying
void raft
outlaw is simple AF to figure out
the timing and refresh of bleeds is a bit harder to consume
stuck shuttle
then you got these FotM players who also think they know everything about the spec
but only started playing it this reset
safe matrix
The cycle of ravenholdt jades you pretty quick
strange python
the quality of rogues definitely vary but it's fun to see more rogues
stuck shuttle
yeah lol
void raft
me too
raven mica
I think all the fotm players are gonna move away after those love taps on tuesday
stuck shuttle
jk lol
void raft
i would go back to outlaw if i didn't sim 2k less compared to my sin gear
silk sundial
I wonder what the new fotm will be when ss is nerfed
pure sparrow
rogue in general just isn't hard enough to force people to play a single spec
dusky fulcrum
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/buNdhLB5GAPNftmFnRPaka Feelsgoodman, wish me luck on taloc mythic
pure sparrow
probably back to sub, their nerfs weren't actually that bad
raven mica
Actually lemme see how people are doing in mythic right now
void raft
hilarious the shade being thrown for people to want to play the best spec their class offers ATM
when its literally a class about dps
split dirge
how actually is SS so good? 500 damage bonus per garrote, per trait doesnt seem enormous, at least for ST, seeing as its only from stealth / subterfuge
crimson swift
its per tick
split dirge
what the fuck
pure sparrow
LMAO
stuck shuttle
because you factor it that the buffs are multiplicative
pure sparrow
good reaction
pure sparrow
= dead boss
split dirge
christ
stuck shuttle
yes
pure sparrow
Slightly more quickly dead boss
late sequoia
hi guys, i'd like to ask if i should use exsang on CD after the opener? couldn't find it anywhere in the guides :/
silk sundial
I think last I checked it was something like 6k per 1.5 seconds?
fringe zodiac
hey if i try rotation at puppet details reset after i vanish is there something i can do
silk sundial
That would change depending on your haste obviously
stray fox
toxic blade doesn't snapshot right? i.e if i cast it with deadly on next deadly tic will hit more
and if i override a tb deadly it doesn't matter
wheat zealot
stuck shuttle
lol
woven dragon
@silk sundial I believe you need a macro to cast an ability with vanish to avoid that but I can’t recall
silk sundial
Wrong person :)
fringe zodiac
how come i do more dmg simulatd if i have vers weapon enchant then with tempo enchant
proven ice
What are your stat weights?
proven ice
What are they?
wheat zealot
Wtf is tempo lul
woven dragon
Lmao
fringe zodiac
haste
wheat zealot
regal snow
feelsgerman
wheat zealot
Say fucking haste then
woven dragon
¿
lone junco
Haste is most important for bleeds rn.
proven ice
What- your second sim is deadly-deadly.
pulsar ledge
lone junco
Except in FOK cleave.
proven ice
i don' know what you're doing
stuck shuttle
lol
fringe zodiac
fk me
wheat zealot
Lmao
fringe zodiac
yeah yeah bully the germans you'll see after we banned all your memes
stuck shuttle
lol
wheat zealot
So south park is real?
polar grail
we are the world
wheat zealot
All of ravenholdt is #off-topic though
crimson swift
im so sad... 385 trinket with socket simming only 60 dmg higher than my 340 gc, im actually considering keeping the gc
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fByfyfD6mB39CV9bM353mL
wheat zealot
Just get a 380 gcb ez right
proven ice
I would use the one that's easier to manage.
lone junco
Got a squishy brain trinket from heroic box. Bummed but GC from m+ box. So yay.
- GC. Very easy to use
wheat zealot
Agreed
crimson swift
also more fun to use imho
proven ice
I means plauze
wheat zealot
Just have to watch timers and stuff
Make sure a mechanics not about to come up and cuck ya
lone junco
Just don't fucking click on the run. Or better macro it to exsang.
proven ice
His easier option is more damage 💁
crimson swift
thing is, ive kinda grown attached to my gc
which is weird
but still
i like it
digital timber
is the SS azerite trait bugged? if i use garrote outside of subterfuge while the buffed garrotes are ticking, does it nerf those garrotes?
wheat zealot
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
proven ice
Don't garrote untill the first 3 fall
raven mica
OK so dont pandemic them.
slate agate
So i've been playing exsang for a week now and I like it, but I see all top rogues rolling TB. Who is right, sims or raiders D:
proven ice
The people who kill bosses
raven mica
I got a 99% parse using exsang on normal MOTHER using exsang so.
proven ice
she has a double damage phase, it makes sense.
final stone
@slate agate shorter fights exsan will be better
final stone
depends on how fast your raid kills bosses
stuck shuttle
because Exsang is a bursty trait
delicate gull
You guys think suboptimal use of galecallers is better than a static trinket at 100dps loss? Let’s say 5 seconds of haste buff cuz you get cucked, running toxic blade
proven ice
Ok, if the fights is <2 minutes, then sure.
proven ice
at 3 mins you get a second wave of esang, and it will pull way ahead
valid scarab
I have 2x suffocate, and when I garrote it only generates 2
proven ice
you're thinking like 4:30.
valid scarab
isnt it supposed to generate 4?
stuck shuttle
no i mean
proven ice
it should gen 3.
stuck shuttle
3mins is a huge difference
proven ice
1+2
valid scarab
so u rupture with 3 cb?
proven ice
3 min is just after the second burst wave for esang. So a 3 min fight would favor esang.
raven mica
You pandemic that rupture right afterwards so yes.
haughty flame
so sin is alpha now?
hollow escarp
Is it just me but I don't see exsanguinate affecting the bleeds debuff on the target, shouldn't they be double the value? Or am I wrong?
proven ice
Double speed.
hollow escarp
hmm, didnt check that
raven mica
I also think exsang is fucking hilarious to see like a 25k burst from assassination
hollow escarp
nope, time is still 1.8 sec, and damage 8000
soft island
can I have /use galecaller's boon
/cast exa? does it snaps it?
valid scarab
and when garrote is about to fade u vanish + 2x garrote ? or garrote ruptur garrote again
stuck shuttle
yes @soft island
proven ice
When it hits 0 you can vanish garrote twice
soft island
awesome, cheers
lone junco
But vuln phases make up the losses.
frail gate
So by having 2 shrouded suf traits, do we only get the additional combo point benefit from one? Like having 2 traits doesn't give you 5 combo points it only gives you 3?
frail gate
i see ty
lone junco
Don't Worry about heavy movement Just use patchwerk as a constant and work with fight timings.
magic plaza
i see every rogue on mythic progress is sin now
i mean on highest guild with 4 mythic bosses
hollow escarp
time to get some good outlaw logs 
magic plaza
xd
median scroll
vapid delta
Hey guys came here from Outlaw, nice to meet you 😄
final stone
outlaw scum!!
magic plaza
i feel bad for sin , when we should switch to adds
stuck shuttle
because sin is better for prog
final stone
jk hai!@vapid delta
stuck shuttle
method runs a sub rogue still tho
hollow escarp
so you got a good roll and landed in the cool kids channel
magic plaza
😄
thick comet
if you mean spookie he played both sin and sub last nite
faint plume
When do you guys pop galecaller in the opener?
lone junco
It needs to overlap the click of exang.
magic plaza
with vendeta
wary temple
When I exsang rupture and garrote fall under pandemic. Should I refresh? Or let everything fall off before doing otherwise?
lone junco
I have it bound to vendetta and also a midblock use.
lone junco
Vendetta is 2mins. GC is 1
magic plaza
ye
lone junco
Midblock delay exang to GC ready.
magic plaza
u can pop it when u start to get energy starve
frigid sleet
@wary temple everytime you pandemic refresh rupture / garrote after you applied exsang, a cute bunny die somewhere
lone junco
The gcd flys tbh.
magic plaza
😄
lone junco
60% haste during list open.
magic plaza
or everytime u refresh garotte after a STEALTH GARROTE
lone junco
Stick stick stick.
magic plaza
u garrote vanish
then u wait till last tick on garrote
to refresh
or u loose dps
wary temple
@frigid sleet I wasn’t sure how exsang worked. I thought that since the durations gets cut / lowered after exsang. That the effect was over. So I always refreshed when wa said pandemic :/
lone junco
I'm supposed to just chill in stealth for 6 sec before reopen.
high granite
Hey does anyone know if Outlaw or Sin are better after law nerfs?
magic plaza
outlaw = bad
atm
sin = best atm
if u play for progress and bis spec
otherwise if u are casual u can play whatever u want ;d
prime cosmos
do we always use GC with exsa?
high granite
Awesome. I went law because my guild wanted top dps but now I can go back to sin 😄
stuck shuttle
yes GC with exsang
regal snow
GC is ?
stuck shuttle
galecallers Boon
regal snow
ah
stuck shuttle
if you have it
hollow stone
The rogue specs are all so close that you should use the one you have best weaps and traits for imho
lone junco
Not for 1min and 220. After that yes
twin kite
Hey, is multi stat are Dungeon stat too?
undone cairn
outside of opener am i supposed to be using exsang after i refreshed garrote/rupture?
lone junco
Vectis. Boss phases line up. No reason to exang a slime.
valid dawn
340 gale or 355 dice? hmmm
plain thistle
undone cairn
😦
valid dawn
yeah i am simming. Just asking the peanut gallery as well! ;p
lone junco
It does a ggr
lone junco
@plain thistle id have to see that iteration of apl to believe that 220 420 620 alignment of GC vendetta vanish exang
raven mica
Did you get a 30k burst?
nocturne gate
how much dps is the uldir trait worth that i use it over my 3rd SS(same item)
sand whale
ya with gale trinket it's like guaranteed lol
lone junco
I have yet to see it aligned at 1min intervals. And don't believe that 1 unbuffed exang is worth much.
valid dawn
Do we pop exang like this? G - R -G - Exang - vandet - - - - ?
void raft
no
lone junco
There is an opener pic.
valid dawn
ok will look for it
void raft
go read the ravenholdt guide dude
lone junco
plain thistle
@lone junco yeah, you basically align VENDETTA and EXS with every VANISH
twin kite
For mm+ which stat are great? mastery/crit?
plain thistle
which means you will be holding vendetta for 10-15s , same for exs
raven mica
Looks like I need to spam SotS this week cuz I'm still rocking a 340 spyglass I got from a WQ.
lone junco
That I believe. Apl stops alignment after the 220.
prime cosmos
is there a prefered build for fights like zul/ cleave fights or just go outlaw?
lone junco
If you pop GC exsang at 1min intervals and GC vendetta vanish exang at 2s
But apl falls all to hell
stuck shuttle
using the standard setup
lyric knoll
Me too. Its probably not a rogue issue, but the way your guildmdoes the fight
lone junco
Zul is a tunnel anyway.
raven mica
I actually played Sub on Zul.
lyric knoll
Sin is fine. Might not be top but you shouldn't be far
lone junco
I guess you could vanish g g g. If Zul and big guy and hexer are around.
raven mica
If I had a choice, I'd just swap specs
proven harbor
fan of knives on 2+ targets or 3+? icy veins says 2+, ravenholdt 3+
lone junco
Ct is >=2
stuck shuttle
You do +3 hoping for FoK crits
proven harbor
thx
stuck shuttle
2 mobs, you may as well just mutilate
haughty flame
sin weapon enchants?
lyric knoll
I have crit mh and hate oh
lone junco
Neat.
nocturne cradle
so we line up GC with exsang up to the 2:20 mark which is the 4th exsang right? After that you use it off cd?
lone junco
@nocturne cradle Run your sim and read the apl summary.
plain thistle
@nocturne cradle no, GC on CD, it will align with vendetta+vanish+exsa every 2 minutes
ofc it aligns with our first combo too
nocturne cradle
I'll check my APL tonight
plain thistle
we are probably doomed to use GC for the rest of the expasion arent we?
plain thistle
hopefully next raid trinkets arent dog shit
lone junco
I want to see bursting pot overlaid the opener.
strange python
Hi guys for ista
lone junco
That haste rate is gross
strange python
it's better exanguinate or toxic blade?
plain thistle
frigid sleet
does shadowmelding into garrote correctly applies the SS buff, in raid/dungeon boss ?
stuck shuttle
no
ember coral
hello ! i got a problem, if i play sin i should enchant gem haste but if i want to go to sub i have to switch to crit poly ( i play sub sin and outlaw in raid, depends on encounters ) what should i do ? :p
keen spruce
orgot I was like 200 messages behind xD
wheat zealot
keen spruce
buy more gems @ember coral 
fading adder
Take crit?
lofty sand
drop another set of gear for each spec 😉
fresh ginkgo
man feels bad replacing SS traits
keen spruce
take like half and half, get replacement gear, just pick one and fuck it
are you mythic raiding?
fresh ginkgo
no
ember coral
Yeah i am shm
keen spruce
if you're not mythic raiding it's not gonna matter much
if you are just buy more gems 
glacial jasper
It’s quite annoying an azerite peice 30ilvls higher is a downgrade from my 340
wheat zealot
Blue gems are cheap anyway
keen spruce
bribe your guild gemcrafter with peepee touches
steep citrus
it matters exactly the same amount. i want to do as well as possible regardless of the content i'm in
stuck shuttle
@glacial jasper must be a shit trait
wheat zealot
Min/maxing for norm/heroic
keen spruce
phup, it's a cost/benefit analysis
lone junco
In cleave 3ss is worth a ton of ilvl.
glacial jasper
Fan of knifes trait and thE generic one is trash aswell
keen spruce
if you really wanted to do the best you could, you'd be grinding +10s for 12 hours a day to get perfect rolls on titan forges and gear
lone junco
@wheat zealot you're not the boss of me.
stuck shuttle
yeah i felt that when i forgot to swap to 3xSS gear for M+ @lone junco
glacial jasper
Blizz need some serious tuning of the shit traits
steep citrus
i can't stand the whole "if you're not doing cutting edge progression with a top 100 guild, you should just auto attack and use a gamepad. nothing matters."
dont' even try
lofty sand
you mean the inevitable culling of SS?
keen spruce
That's not what I said
stuck shuttle
what if I told you, they don't want you to have the perfect gear @glacial jasper
🤔
keen spruce
the question was about what to do because of the cost of re-gemming
which means they're concerned about the cost in the cost/benefit ration
sly bloom
Hey guys, i'm raiding in pugs (usually shit groups), do ever hold onto CDs more than 2:20? (With everything off CD). Like on Fetid for example do you hold till 50%?
keen spruce
so you can either pay more to regem, get a separate gear set, or take a minor dps hit
and stick with one setup
those were the options
wheat zealot
Bruh if youre not a total shitter you will do fine with crit or haste gems in heroic and normal lmaoo
It obviously matters more for mythic
keen spruce
if you're guild is doing heroic progression, the minor dps hit isn't going to make or break your encounters
glacial jasper
@stuck shuttle I’d say that goes in direct contrast to the mind set of ppl playing the game that would care
keen spruce
that doens't mean you shouldn't try your best, but if cost is a concern then you need to weight the benefits
sly bloom
Also noticed on Mythraxx, getting vendetta etc while adds were up, do you hold it for boss or use it on big add?
keen spruce
of your investment
delicate root
no SS, put it in the bin
keen spruce
stuck shuttle
@glacial jasper thats not Blizz's mindset tho
glacial jasper
@fresh ginkgo those are what I got aswell
sturdy python
After opener my vanish is always 30 secs behind vendetta on CD. Do I change anything up or just use them as they come off?
frail gate
so in the ravendholt rogue guide, outside of opener, whats the propper exsang use, I still have no idea how or what the interaction is with how it works
teal glen
Do sims include origination array bonus?
lone junco
Read your apl.
fresh ginkgo
no not yet
sturdy python
Or do I hold the vanish for 1.5mins
wheat zealot
Use vendetta on cd if the target will live the full duration @sly bloom
sly bloom
Alright thanks!
wheat zealot
Assuming your using exsan ofc
lone junco
They split at open and we need to resync them.
sly bloom
Vanish+exsang+vendetta
lyric knoll
Sureeeere
lone junco
That's not exang. That's ss
sly bloom
Yup im specifically asking for resync
lone junco
Vanish gg. Needs to overlap vendetta.
sturdy python
so hold venetta for 30 secs?
keen spruce
So if we're delaying 2nd exang for galecallers, we're really just doing Vanish/exang in the opener, unbuffed exang, vanish/exang, unbuffed exang
through the fight right?
wheat zealot
Should only be 20 seconds
sly bloom
If everything is off cd and im ready to pop, but boss not available
sturdy python
SOrry cant tell if youre talking to me or him lol
sly bloom
Ex. Mythraxx during adds, taloc at elevator etc
alpine pilot
do we ever hold vanish with SS trait for vendetta? or just use vanish on CD ?
lone junco
It gets used at t=3. And t=2:20
In your raidbots output. Click the HTML link. Scroll Down to APL. Then sample sequence.
wheat zealot
Only use vanish and vendetta together (after opener)
alpine pilot
really? okay
silver egret
like, i wanna do shrine this week to get super high ilvl galecaller
sly bloom
But you gotta do what you gotta do 
silver egret
buuuuuuuuuuut
alpine pilot
because vendetta gets used before vanish so the 2nd use of vendetta i hav to delay a bit cus vanish is still on cd, is this fine?
soft island
@lone junco the opener u posted was yours? why did u vendeta after mut?
silver egret
that place is cancer this week
wheat zealot
@alpine pilot that is fine yes
vocal dock
its not too bad if you dont mass pull
alpine pilot
thanks!
alpine pilot
i just never delay vendetta before, thanks a lot guys
wheat zealot
You want your empowered garrotes increased by 25%
sly bloom
@soft island i guess to get max uptime on the vendetta buff starting from a rupt reapply
wheat zealot
Juicy dmg
soft island
he would have the same uptime with buufed mut dmg tho 😄 might not be a big difference dunno
sly bloom
True
alpine pilot
also wen i use vendetta, idealy i dont want to have to refresh rupture during it right? i just want to envenom spam?
lone junco
@soft island I put it before mut now. Just haven't resnipped.
soft island
I c, thanks
lone junco
No
soft island
rofl
lone junco
It wasn't my log. Just gabbed a really good sample.
rough knoll
ah fair
lone junco
It's mostly irrelevant.
alpine pilot
thanks noobe
lone junco
Vendetta goal is to overlap the full extent of gg exang and vanish gg
soft island
also noobe, if I GC trinket with exa on macro, thats coo, right?
alpine pilot
you guys are so helpful
lone junco
Lies.
alpine pilot
total garrote duration is 24 secs right? if i double garrote during vanish i mean
rough knoll
@alpine pilot don't refresh dots whilst exsang is ticking
potent forge
How dare you assume our collective gender
fierce ingot
It's funny how much my dps just went up from getting a 2nd SS, even though its 340
lone junco
Goes from 18 to 23ish. Then cut in half to 12 ish.
rough knoll
and you should try to get your dots ticking before vendetta ye
glacial jasper
In raid gear folks are gonna be running the generic traits or be stuck with 3 different ones, I find this annoying
vocal dock
what is everyone liking assas last row in M+?
ive been runing temepest but not sure thats right
fierce ingot
CT imo
alpine pilot
@rough knoll ty
soft island
@lone junco if I macro GC boon with exa like /use boon /cast exa thats cool right? no kittens dying and stuff?
silver egret
i dont feel energy starved at all
lone junco
As long as you use it when GC is ready.
lime panther
What's the purpose of double garrote on ss opener.. just keeping the dot at Max uptime ?
silver egret
pandemic timer
soft island
''just'' this dood
rough knoll
does the api line up galecaller
lone junco
Probably not the absolute best use condition. But being lazy on trinket.
rough knoll
and exsang
nocturne cradle
you want your dots to be at max duration before using exsanguinate @lime panther
lime panther
What if your not running exsang or is that the absolute must atm
lone junco
The vanish SS exang is 11 sec on an insane haste buff.
keen spruce
You can Mute before or after vendetta in the opener
stuck shuttle
both exsang and TB are close
keen spruce
it's basically the same
soft island
like 400 ish dps difference for me... so I guess not a must
stuck shuttle
but min/max, people go exsang
keen spruce
visually, mut->vendetta feels nicer
stuck shuttle
just harder to pull off
keen spruce
cuz you get 5cp, pop CDs, rupture exang
feels nice nice
popping cds then mutilating is odd
lime panther
Yeah I've been maining sub , shit feels bad atm, was assa main legion
keen spruce
but damage wise pretty much identical
nocturne cradle
any Alliance NA players here?
void raft
!wa
lone junco
MUST. Is 3ss. Ggg open in m+
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lime panther
Nerf hit me for over 900dps loss
keen spruce
keen spruce
Sub is still crushing Yamsa
stuck shuttle
does the nightly APL include the stacking array buff in uldir?
lone junco
If you haven't opened ggg yet. You are missing out.
deft locust
Heck
latent sage
Poison Bomb or Hidden Blade or Crimson Tempest for M+
deft locust
are you even playing sin if you haven't ggg'd?
o_o
That's all we are now
Should rename our spec to GGG
rough knoll
GGG spec
lime panther
Its feeling weaker for sure , I'm 362 atm and simming 13.5
nocturne cradle
damn
regal snow
finally with the 14k club
nocturne cradle
i'm 353 almost 14k
lime panther
Which is low ... Af
rough knoll
im 360 simming 14.1 with 2 traits
nocturne cradle
what nerf?
deft locust
the 5% sub nerf
uneven summit
Fetid trinket 380, Galecallers 350 and Fathoms hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
lime panther
Sub talk
undone cairn
o
stable oxide
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lime panther
Az gear is annoying af , 370 gear is shit tier compared to the 340s w the right traits @feelsbad when u have 3 370 tier
sturdy python
So let me get this straight. When you get GC you want to use it with vendetta and every 1 min in between. Vanish>SS>SS>Rupture to have max pandemic and exsang, yes?
sturdy python
sweet
plain thistle
thats for mid fight you mean? because on pull is a little bit different
frail gate
@lone junco Why does the raidbots html apl report thing show exsang not being used till 28 seconds after vendetta is gone
sturdy python
RIght, i got the opener down
lone junco
What time stamp?
plain thistle
oh ok 😃
sturdy python
Just wanted the gist of the reasoning for everything
frail gate
0:28.522
lone junco
The desync of GC and exang won't be as bad in real fights when you have a mechanic to delay burst.
Sec.
prime cosmos
#showtooltip Exsanguinate
/use13
/cast Exsanguinate
will this work? 13 trinket slot is GC
lone junco
I have mine bound to vendetta but should work the same.
You only need one tick of GC up when you mash exang.
But keeping it tied is not horrible.
prime cosmos
will this macro work then for what we are trying to accomplish?
does it give enough time for GC to tick?
plain thistle
its safer to macro it with vendetta tbh
vagrant wasp
so you do that opener then immediately refresh SS garrotes with the standard pendemic garrote after?
shy mica
😕
prime cosmos
freehold chess
keen spruce
Then do shrine + for GC
slender sandal
Wb this week also drops hat
slender sandal
unborn knot
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hd8to5ag7sCYiW6FZogu8L this makes me sad
vagrant wasp
my friends after you exsang your opening garrote you immediately vanish >garote mut garrote again yes? then delay your second vendetta slightly to line up second vendetta with second vanish obviously?
plain thistle
"immediately"? no
vagrant wasp
sorry i mean like