#assassination
young oxide
plain wraith
Anyone know where I can find Weak Auras?
young oxide
is this enough using the bleed talent for
plain wraith
for Assassination I mean
daring imp
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
young oxide
idk if such a small number is worth the timing
urban berry
well i appreciate it guys, i wasn't aware of that bug either
plain wraith
Thanks @daring imp
urban berry
really fucked with my m+ multi target damage
blissful dove
Exsang is more fun to play anyway
daring imp
no worries 😛
blissful dove
tb is such a snoozer
strange python
When you hit dat exsang button and shit gets real 😩 👌
blissful dove
lol well yeah
urban berry
was fun while it lasted
blissful dove
it's got such a nice cd time too
lone junco
It's not just faster ticks.
daring imp
@plain wraith personally i recommend afenar's, the combo points on his makes my eyes know how many i have without having to eyeball it
urban berry
oh i guess that is the other thing about this guys parse
he is exsang and not toxic blade
i am toxic blade
lone junco
Yeah. I drop and g g g vendetta r. GC exang.
urban berry
solved that problem
daring imp
duration of the fight?
young oxide
but exsan is only for st right?
urban berry
yeah, this is fetid i'm talking about
2.5m single target fight
2.5 minute*
i didn't get much time before raid to read up on talent choices and didn't think about it at all
young oxide
Does lazer matrix traits outvalue shroud?
blissful dove
the only issue I saw with crimson tempest was it felt very cp hungry, but exsang does help with that too
more energy, more fans, more cps
unreal bear
is there an approx. ilvl value to SS?
daring imp
for m+? 99999
blissful dove
lol
daring imp
for raiding you'd have to sim tho
but m+, endless resets ... dayum no other trait is that good
unless your tank is a moron chain pulling the whole dg
blissful dove
I haven't been able to get the Gold Tassled Epaulets and I haven't had luck with emissaries
calm grail
340 ss shoulders outsim 370 raid shoulders for me lol
blissful dove
was using 325 SS for a long time
calm grail
But my other SS piece is a 385 chest from cache
blissful dove
Nice
strange python
Gravethorn is better than Gold Tassled though right?
lone junco
I just went from 300 SS hat. To 350.
calm grail
So it's probably stewed
young oxide
All azerite gear i come across dosen't outsim my 340
daring imp
f*&$ you @calm grail lucky bastard
lone junco
And sim for 3t is low.
strange python
Gravethorn has SS+OP
blissful dove
SS and overwhelming is probably best, but it's relative
lone junco
Just hammer away.
calm grail
Isn't OP actually not that good?
jovial kite
overwheling gets value capped with high haste
unreal bear
i've got a few 325 SS pieces and like 340/355 double dose/sharpened blades
calm grail
Like doesn't it sim well but not actually do that good
unreal bear
didn't know how much agi is worth missing out on 2/3 SS
strange python
Gonk and Shadraspawn has OP too
blissful dove
tfw you don't have high haste :c
strange python
hmm
calm grail
I have triple heed and 2 SS seems to do good. Also archive of the Titans.
I noticed archive went from 75 haste to 150 after I kill a couple bosses Last Night
strange python
Why the hell does Blood Mallet run their Gold-Tasseled with Unstable Flames
strange python
Heed is great
calm grail
So I wonder if the Uldir passive is 75 haste every week added
After you kill three bosses
nova nest
3x SS and exsang for m+?
blissful dove
ideally
blissful dove
Yeah, go blast dude lol
calm grail
Gore splattered vest with 385 heed hits for like 4k
nova nest
so whats the proper usage?
daring imp
try to not fall off the chair with the high dmg on m+
vestal abyss
does vendetta increase the damage of bleeds already on the target?
nova nest
3x garrote rupture then exsang?
blissful dove
Garrote three things and fan a lot lol
daring imp
@vestal abyss yea, adaptive dmg
glacial jasper
They seriously need to buff the other traits to make them compete since you can’t farm M+ to stack traits
strange python
Yeah
blissful dove
They need to make azerite available
glacial jasper
And the weekly box is the most random shit ever
strange python
We'll be stuck running 340 gear
blissful dove
shit's dumb
daring imp
in a few months we'll see guys doing +30 keys ... with 340 3x SS's ... lul
strange python
I've been considering running Mythic 0 for warforged SS gear
nova nest
for single target.... garrote>rupture>garrote>exsang>vend?
blissful dove
m+ people who don't want to raid will be running 385+ gear with 340 azerite pieces
strange python
No Danny
torpid sluice
gar > rup > gar > mut > rup > vand > exsanq iirc
glacial jasper
On beta is was 1 normal 1 azerite with chance for another random. It felt good, and the shitters reverted
strange python
GRGVendMutRExsang
nova nest
so vendetta first to increase bleeds already on targ?
daring imp
blissful dove
it's dynamic
warm plume
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
nova nest
thanks @daring imp
strange python
It's to boost the GRG already on the target and to boost your Mut
Then you tack on the Rupture for the Pandemic
Then you Exsang for a huge pandemic garrote rupture
burst out the ass
blissful dove
He means it will add
nova nest
yea
nova nest
yea for sure
hot flume
I sim higher /w exsang than TB but cannot reproduce that on dummy so I think i'm using exsang badly
I don't need to save exsang for anything right ?
nova nest
dont wanna reapply rupture later during vend spam with ellaborate planning
inner leaf
I am having issues with assassination... I am not sure why.
daring imp
@lone junco with gc boon use on cd and pair up with vendetta/vanishs every other for tb use?
hot flume
Just refresh my dots and use it ?
blissful dove
You kind of have to play and get a feel for timings with it
daring imp
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
jovial kite
2 hours till mythic raid 
strange python
bis avatar
hot flume
Ok
vestal wren
well good luck then
unreal bear
so SS garrote needs to run full duration?
jovial kite
@vestal wren thanks
daring imp
yea
unreal bear
i'm talking til the bleed falls off for the last tick even?
hot flume
And regarding the 2nd use on vedetta I should save a Vanish and exsang to get the maximum out of it ?
daring imp
yea
dense blaze
Let it die
strange python
You want the last tick
unreal bear
damn
strange python
it's that big
unreal bear
brutal
blissful dove
it's bonkers... hoping they even out the damage honestly
inner leaf
i sim like 13k and i cant do more than 9k even if i keep rupture up at all time
daring imp
let it tick that last sweet tick
inner leaf
single target on boss mythic+
unreal bear
rupture isn't even the biggest part of our damage
strange python
that's weird
arctic agate
Garrote
strange python
You should do more than 13K on a mythic boss 😓
inner leaf
i was doing +9
strange python
Since it's so short
inner leaf
and i barely hit 9k
nova nest
i only do 9k on dummy sustained (3-4mins) but in raids ST i go up to 12k+
strange python
What boss was it
nova nest
keep in mind WW 5% dmg buff and warrior 10% AP buff
mother comes to mind
im in the last group to cross
strange python
oh yeah
daring imp
@inner leaf you have 3x SS? are you overwritting the empowered garrotes on packs? opening by using garrote tab garrote tab garrote?
strange python
On Mother you should be doing loads if you're last
nova nest
that was with only 1 SS as well
daring imp
o nvm you talking about st
strange python
How many SS traits do you have Sith
inner leaf
3
nova nest
my exsang is simming less for me
strange python
Wrong opener
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
unreal bear
isn't it garrote -> rupture -> garrote
strange python
Yeah
daring imp
arctic agate
@inner leaf ST should be G R G
inner leaf
oh ok
inner leaf
alright sounds good
unreal bear
the rotation for sin now feels weird
strange python
Easy 25K ST burst
nova nest
the reason is it adds like 6 seconds of SS garrote to the target @inner leaf
unreal bear
like not relying on envenom/muti dmg
inner leaf
i am 350 ilvl and my offhand is 325 is that a big problem?
strange python
What's your main hand
inner leaf
main hand 355
strange python
That's fine
quick ice
Not really
unreal bear
@inner leaf i have 320 weaps and i'm still pulling 11k in raid, it's not an issue
lone junco
No. Offhand is nothing. In ggg cleave.
supple compass
I don’t see how sin can be the best m+ spec now unless the bug gets fixed and you have 3 ss
strange python
Main hand dps is way more important
inner leaf
okok gotcha
quick ice
It's more annoying than anything
lone junco
In cleave. Mh dps is like 20pts. Offhand like 0.9
void raft
mobility with assasin vs outlaw feels terrible
daring imp
why? 😦
unreal bear
i just hate outlaw as a spec.
nova nest
just gotta use them wisely
supple compass
I love outlaw, sin m+ just feels so tedious
strange python
Tbh I miss the second Shadowstep though
arctic agate
Outlaw is super fun, but at the same time frustrating with bad luck
crimson swift
just play snek then
daring imp
^ lul
lone junco
Snek is top dps.
quick ice
I mean, rtb snek is best dps now
lone junco
27k range logs.
daring imp
i know, that's what's funny
crimson swift
oh it is? might consider playing outlaw then ^^
strange python
Tfw 
inner leaf
lol
strange python
makes me wanna 😡
unreal bear
b-b-but the agi from 1 buff
hot flume
@daring imp in the doc you sent it says exsang around the 2:20 mark, what is meant ? 2:20 in fight timer ?
daring imp
yea
strange python
I sleep
REAL SHIT
hot flume
But there will be other exsang in the meanwhile right ? Is is presumed it is used on CD
daring imp
exs is 45s cd
strange python
Still unsure whether to hold Exsang for Vanish and Vendetta
daring imp
well it's not like you have the chance to decide
vocal ferry
i just swaped to assa, should i use toxic blade or exanguinate
daring imp
45s cd means on 4th use it will be ~2:15min assuming not delaying much
just try not to delay it much and it will sync up nicely
hot flume
And "Clip elaborate planning" ? Cast finishers when the buff is just about to expire right ?
strange python
ye
daring imp
@hot flume specially during empowered garrotes i always try to do that, even casting 3cp envenoms/ruptures, not sure if that's optimal tho
still carbon
is that stuff saying crit > Haste for single target dps still accurate?
void raft
they simmed equal for me
daring imp
@still carbon that's just a general rough value of how your weighted stats will be, can be different depending on talents, but mine are just like that
hot flume
@daring imp hum ok I think that's something I wasn't paying attention to
daring imp
wait
blissful dove
haste is meaty though
strange python
Haste is huge for me at least
daring imp
haste > agi > crit >~ mastery > vers
lone junco
In st?
daring imp
dayum how much haste you got
nova nest
why does herodamage have fathom deck so low rated ?
daring imp
check the equivalent ilvl, danny
hot flume
@nova nest pay attention to the ilvl
strange python
I've got shit itemization despite getting the haste+crit daggers from TD in both hands
cold meteor
Got my 3rd SS pog
strange python
14.2% haste
daring imp
don't look only at the biggest bar, check bars that match the ilvl of your stuff
nocturne cradle
I still can't believe I played a week thinking I only had 2 ss traits while I had the 3rd in the bank.. I swear I checked twice
daring imp
lul
nova nest
@hot flume it says 355 but is near dead last
daring imp
i wasn't even using them and had 3x on bag, when i saw some fucker do 17k on a +0 i just couldn't even
lone junco
What %haste is lust?
hot flume
Yeah but you need 380 or 400 ilvl for other trinkets to be better
nocturne cradle
I open over 30k without lust
still carbon
whats considered a GOOD amount of haste to have?
daring imp
as much as humanly possible
nova nest
@strange python whats the best?
nova nest
right
lone junco
They gcd is so fucking fast.
strange python
355 Fathoms beats 355 Harlan's
lone junco
Bing bing bing.
silver egret
also the conquest reward for this week is not the SS chest
nova nest
debating buying a fathoms
daring imp
oy @lone junco you just pop gc boon on cd and every other with vendetta/vanish?
still carbon
I got that one haste trinket from uldir
strange python
You should
silver egret
its the non-SS chest
still carbon
that one that stacks the haste buff
strange python
If you don't have decent trinkets
nova nest
but think itl be replaced once i go heroic
still carbon
with the dice
nocturne cradle
@still carbon The one off taloc?
nocturne cradle
How is it?
nova nest
i have a 355 frenetic corpsule with a 40 haste gem and a 340 dice
nocturne cradle
I lost the roll for it
strange python
Landoi's Scrutiny?
stray fox
I got an SS chest from conquest
nova nest
i simmed the haste trink @still carbon and it simmed less dps
nocturne cradle
and gave it to another dps despite being top dps by a mile :/
nova nest
for me
wooden island
exang or toxic blade for arena?
stray fox
355
still carbon
I'm gonna be honest
i dont entirely trust simming
it's weird, it rarely seems accurate
strange python
🤔
wheat zealot
The conquest chest has ss on it?
daring imp
wait wut
wheat zealot
Imma have to do that later
nocturne cradle
It isn't accurate if you make several misstates in your timings
wooden island
exang or toxic blade for arena?
silver egret
it doesnt have SS
simple meteor
i like exang for arena none expects the dmg
daring imp
oh nvm then
silver egret
the chest has the fan of knives trait
daring imp
ewwww
lone junco
GC before exang. It is 1min. So I'll probably macro them together.
stray fox
There are 2 rewards
lone junco
But yeah.
daring imp
oh did you guys know if you JUMP while doing FOK it actually increases its range??
stray fox
One is SS
lone junco
Sim says it falls apart at 220. But my small brain can't desync them well.
warm plume
!stat
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
strange python
HAHAAHA You're right Ongbak
delicate root
355 SS helm from world boss 
strange python
I just ran to the dummy and tried it
still carbon
ss?
daring imp
blizz coding 🐢
strange python
Shrouded Suffocation
daring imp
lul
strange python
We're all National Socialists in here
tbh it makes sense
the FoK range
If you jump the knives obviously travel further
stray fox
Conquest chest gives a choice of 2
It only shows 1 in the pvp tab though, like last week
daring imp
good to know wow uses such physics
proceeds to get stuck into a rock smaller than the feet of my character
toxic drift
3x SS or go down to 2 with Laser Matrix and 30ilvl upg?
median marsh
where's some info about multi-target DPS? can't find on ravenholdt
daring imp
!stats
silver egret
dot everything
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
silver egret
watch health bars melt
crimson swift
@daring imp does this also work with ct?
quick ice
@toxic drift if you 
be warned that simc doesn't apply the reorigination array buff
crimson swift
good shit blizz
daring imp
new AoE rotation: before you FoK or CT, jump 
silver egret
yeah pretty much either uldir trait with reorigination array is gonna be bis
nova nest
im at 19.2% haste just baselane
silver egret
150 extra haste is spicy
tacit plinth
Who here has stat stacked specifically for AoE and has like no haste
fierce ingot
Wtf why is the ramge more hahaha
weary hare
Anyone know what the optimal usage for Galecallers boon is?
lone junco
@tacit plinth crit mastery.
lone junco
Seli.
tacit plinth
like completely ditched haste and went with the aoe weights, I want to know how terrible it feels on bosses
lone junco
@weary hare must be prior to exang due to snapshot haste.
So you delay exang 2 until. 1min for GC.
quick ice
I really need to sort out my stats, getting all this high ilvl mastery gear so I have over 1k now
weary hare
And what if I run TB? Same situation?
crimson swift
wait, you can haste snapshot your bleeds?
onyx wind
no
quick ice
Only exsang
brittle knoll
quick ice
You get partial ticks
daring imp
haste gains/losses during exsang'ed stuff also go up/down on tick rate?
quick ice
Don't think so
daring imp
ohhhh
lone junco
Yes. Exang snapshots haste and calculates full ticks. No partials.
So exang after lust GC.
If they lust at T=10. Scream
daring imp
LUL
solar fog
clear blaze
wondering why poison bomb logs higher in add heavy fights than crimson tempest. like zekvoz or zul in hc. is it cuz adds die too quickly?
daring imp
probably
daring imp
went with a frost dk today
hot flume
So I should Macro Galecaller's boon before exsang use ?
silver egret
ye then he do 8k for 2 mins til breath is back up 😄
tacit plinth
They really ruined poison bomb lol it used to hit so hard
Now it feels like a begrudgingly taken talent to effectively not lose a talent tier on ST
daring imp
he finished on 2nd overall, it was a bit chaotic at the end tho @silver egret https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/76mGvMDyAaJwThBP#fight=last&type=damage-done
delicate root
I think you need more holy priests
daring imp
@tacit plinth they could've fixed it by lowering the damage and giving us the ability to control when to pop it, but they had to dumpster it ...
hey blame omar, he's the one that invited all those, he "claimed" only priests queued lul
delicate root
oh its a pug 😛
daring imp
yea
tacit plinth
Ya I looked at the overall damage of pb in a 5 man and it was insanely sad
lone junco
You run with omr?
strange python
is it worth taking third garrote trait even if its -30 ilvls from 370 to 340
lone junco
He's doing well.
tacit plinth
sim it
lone junco
@strange python for m+. Yes. St sim.
daring imp
got aotc with him this thursday, like, 30min before reset
strange python
k thanks
plain thistle
fuck zul trash mob, bye
daring imp
his pugs are glorious
silver egret
rip you
tired peak
didnt see in the pin, about the exsanguinate build
next wolf
!chest
prisma monolithBOT
Weekly chest position:
Alliance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPlCI652Wo
Horde - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLjg2XCTe7U
tired peak
do you keep garrot up or what
lone junco
It is fucking beautiful.
lone junco
Correct.
That's m+ with GC.
The vendetta exang depends ok baddy.
Gggct. Is plenty for normal trash.
I'll help write guide section next week.
solar fog
Ggg vanish ggg 
tacit plinth
thats the big brain burst
lone junco
Ggg Ct. GC. vanish ggg vendetta mut mut rupture exang. FOK FOK rupture. Each elite.
tacit plinth
in 8.1 they're going to release the jade harvester build for rogues
AoE Exsang
all bleeds in 10 yards 
lone junco
Rather have st.
chilly kiln
when you exsang do you refresh the dots once they reach pandemic or let them bleed out entirely
?
solar fog
Imagine if exsang affected all targets bleeds 
winter gale
its 20ilvl better, only reason I am asking
daring imp
that'd be a nerf
tacit plinth
not if you could spend all the energy fast enough lol
daring imp
no i mean it surely would get a nerf lul
tacit plinth
oh right ya lol
hollow stone
You let them run the full duration or you lose dps when you have xaang bleeds going
daring imp
@winter gale can you screenshot it?
ebon dragon
Is assa better than outlaw after the nerf?
lone junco
@chilly kiln bleed out entirely to last tick.
Clipping off exang rupture isn't the end of the world because we aren't using ns. But never clip off your SS garrote with another non SS garrote.
Even then you should let it finish. Because of GC trinket
Else you convert a 0.5s tick empower into a 1.5sec tick and completely jump a tick.
That's equivalent to just erasing a 5cp env. 12-25k. Deleted.
Can check a log to confirm. Cause I vansish gg at pandemic a few times last night.
dapper moat
generally fast answer is that 3x SS is always better than 2xSS, i will sim later ofc but now need fast answer 😄
daring imp
oy remember to do your 4x M+ dungeon quests
daring imp
when i get home i'll do the last one to get those phat vers items
oh, can azerite gear come off the chest?
silver egret
i got the haste trinket from my mythic weekly quest. feelsbad
copper flint
Hello everyone, are the guides on icy/ravenholdt updated for assassin spec ?
snow spindle
Afternoon guys, this has probably been answered a few times but just want to confirm, on single target bosses. Is the opener, g-r-g and if so why do you re cast garrote when you have one up
delicate root
370 laser matrix sims only 50 dps higher than 340 SS FeelsRogueMan
vestal abyss
@snow spindle My question too.
winter gale
0.4% better if playing exsanguinate but I preffer toxic blade...Should I change for that percentage or is it like nonworthy
?*
delicate root
exsang is less forgiving, so if you think you'll fuck it up I'd stay with TB
silver egret
you reapply garrote cuz you want the pandemic for the empowered one
spice olive
Is Exsanguinate better than Toxic Blade with 1 SS?
gleaming condor
sim urself
spice olive
snow spindle
Even tho it will be like a 2 second less garrote
honest heath
vestal abyss
im quite confused how reapplying garrote helps with the pandemic
silver egret
what do you mean a 2 second less garrote
vestal abyss
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
snow spindle
Like people saying in the opener cast garrote then rupture then garrote again
vestal abyss
Why not skip the first garrote?
lone junco
@snow spindle it pushes the SS garrote to 23sec from 18.
cosmic shale
Hi ! Sorry to bother you guys, but i got a question. With the 5% nerf for Outlaw, is Assassination the best spec atm or is Outlaw still worth playing ?
snow spindle
@lone junco oh I see that makes sense, thanks
lone junco
G. 18
R 2cp
G 23sec push.
Vendetta mut
Rupture 4-5cp
vestal abyss
@cosmic shale Most top rogues go sass now
jaunty lotus
When you reaply a dot that is already on the target, some of the duration from the previous dot (up to 30% of the total duration) is added to the new dot. This mechanic is called pandemic. You apply the first garrote, and it's a 18 second garrote, so you reapply it ang get a 24 second duration one.
snow spindle
And that's the main opener
lone junco
That's where the GC exang goes. And rips those full bleeds.
cosmic shale
@vestal abyss You mean Assassination, right ?
winter gale
Is there any definite rotation to see on some site or anywhere
vestal abyss
whats the reasoning behind the 2cp Rupture? Rupture damage isnt from stealth right? Is it just to increase rupture length?
Yes
winter gale
I feel like I am doing something wrong. I need rotation with 1SS and toxic blade talent
glacial jasper
I’m really hopeful blizz will come there senses soon and either give 2 peice of gear from weekly cache one azerite one normal or make azerite drop in mythic plus soon. Cause this is dumb, or option 3 do some major tuning of the traits
lone junco
G g r. Vendetta mut mut rupture exang. Is the other option.
Grg sims better. Per weak.
jaunty lotus
Well on the exsang build, you want to pop exsang with both garrote AND rupture pandemic. So you apply a smaller rupture first, then apply a 5 cp rupture to get the full duration + pandemic for your exsang
dawn merlin
@lone junco do you vanish after the opener's exsanguinated garrote fades to apply two garrotes? will it be up for that 2:20 ish burst window?
rain breach
There are no azerite drops in m+???
quick ice
@rain breach correct
solid nova
No, only weekly cache
lone junco
Run your sim. Check HTML. Read the sample action list.
winter gale
Is my rotation ok : Garrote/Rupture/Garrote/Vendetta/Toxic Blade/Envenom/Muti+Muti/Envenom/Muti+Muti/Envenom/Vanish/GarroteX2/Rupture/continue with rotation
lone junco
But yes. Wonk at 0:45 to 1:10. Then full alignment at 2:15.
dawn merlin
ty
proud copper
What gems should we be taking
vocal ferry
anyone has rupture & garrote wa?
winter gale
Can anyone pls advise me 😄
dawn merlin
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
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lone junco
@civic palm Thanks for the shroud wa. Really handy
snow spindle
Noobe thanks for the help, nice to have someone like you in the community ity
vocal ferry
@prisma monolith thanks
lone junco
PayPal link in my profile.
winter gale
Are guides for assa up to date on pinned ?
indigo shale
Can someone give me a quick answer here? I'm trying to customize my UI a bit more and I want to know what skill in my SCT that is critting here? I'm assassination and I can't find a skill or talent with that icon. Also, does anyone know how to get rid of the health, energy and combo bars under my character?
vocal ferry
oh wait @dawn merlin thanks lol, didnt see its a bot
lone junco
I Was waiting for mythic balance
Personal resource bar under char. And that's deadly poison hit
kind roost
check your combat log
kind roost
and match the damage tick you see with the same number in the combat log
pure sparrow
why do we garotte twice after vanish? instead of waiting a little bit and reupping the opener from vanish - g r g again?
simple meteor
your second vanish into the fight would go as the opener gar raptu gar ?
void raft
@pure sparrow so you can exgang max dur rupture + garrote sooner
urban storm
Because subt garrote does 80% more dmg
indigo shale
@lone junco @kind roost Oh I see. The tick and the hit are counted seperately. Thanks guys
urban storm
And you want max duration
kind roost
i vanish as soon as the first exang double garrote is going down
so i can get another off
pure sparrow
huh
simple meteor
anyone can help one the question above plz?
pure sparrow
makes sense. exang is weird
kind roost
then usually vanish later in the fight when vendetta is up or we lust and need burst
etc
sweet rampart
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/atvVy4GLC16zxrDw/#fight=8&type=damage-done
Anyone wanna take a peak? See anything horrible that I need to change or fix?
winter gale
Garrote
Rupture
Garrote
Vendetta
Toxic Blade
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote runs out
Garrote twice
simple meteor
@kind roost on the second vanish we do it like opener?
prisma bough
does SS stack?
simple meteor
yes yoshi
rose loom
The damage does, not the combo point generation
prisma bough
ok, thanks
mortal crystal
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
rose loom
I'm assuming the SS bug still hasn't been fixed?
fervent fox
why not garrote, garrote, rupture? for a full rupture?
simple meteor
if it's on the pins don't think so
snow spindle
What's the bug with it?
robust light
cause u would get more garrote uptime refreshing it at the end of subterfuge
rose loom
Casting 3 garrotes in stealth then 1 out of stealth removes the SS buff on your first 3 garrotes
robust light
and garrote damage is big
pure sparrow
@fervent fox so you can get pandemic empowered garotte and rupture with exang
echo hound
The ravenholdt assass guide ends the opener (With SS) by saying "Vanish+Garotte" and then "Garotte Twice". So does this mean 3 garottes in a row after vanish, or just vanish+garotte and then garotte again for a total of 2?
fervent fox
and if you're not running exsang?
lone junco
Vanish gg.
nocturne cradle
Any alliance Na players here? What is our emissary weapon ?
proven ice
It’s just another opener
echo hound
thanks noobe
proven ice
only need two for the full pandemic
lone junco
Opener and midblock vanish exang are not the same.
proven ice
And only for exsang
crimson swift
damn, i love pug-tanks...
me: hey, can you let me restealth pls?
tank: dont really care about your epenis
lone junco
Cause open we split the exang and vanish by 10sec
dusky fulcrum
Guys when do you pop troll racial 1st and 2nd time during fights? i guess u use it with vendetta but second time u wait 1 min for vendetta?
simple meteor
just leave the group and say fu @crimson swift
echo hound
But what does decide wether to go exsang or not? I've simmed both specs and TB is currently abit ahead, but is it because of current stats, or azerite traits or nah?
pure sparrow
both probably
lone junco
GC trinket makes the diff imo. But sim.
pure sparrow
once i got around 950 ilvl my sims started showing exang better. I think its a secondary stat thing
winter gale
This is rotation on the pinned guid for 1 or more SS with Toxic Blade : Garrote
Rupture
Garrote
Vendetta
Toxic Blade
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote runs out
Garrote twice
echo hound
yeh youre probably right. i dont have GC so that makes sense that TB is ahead
restive path
@lone junco I have gc but I prob am not using it correctly. Do u pop if right before exsang or duringnopener garrotes
winter gale
When I try it there is no rupture for like 10 sec uptime
echo hound
zasz check the assass rogue logs on mythic kills. they will show you when to use it best
winter gale
I dont know is there any definite rotation for assa at this moment
crimson swift
was just an m0 and we were pretty much near the end, so i just followed them and did my 7k dmg each pull :/
lone junco
@restive path it needs to be up for exang. Can be the very last sec. or tagged with exang. It snapshots haste at the time.
dusky fulcrum
Guys when do i pop troll racial during sin opener? with vendetta? and when do i pop it after cd reset?
lone junco
@vestal wren is there a haste pot I can overlap with GC /exsang?
Like 10sec of 1k haste Mmm
Maybe something like old war.
hollow stone
Theres that bursting pot thats like new old war. Havent tested it once. Just been using agi pots
sand canyon
hollow stone
Whats the problem w pb..?
molten cosmos
I do not understand why we use twice garrote in stealth. Just to refresh the timer?
tough warren
Does the shrouded Suffocation bonus dmg to garrote only applies when i do it out of stealth, or is it in general?
molten cosmos
In general
pure sparrow
@molten cosmos it allows us to have a longer shrouded suffocation empowered garotte because of pandemic
hollow stone
If you fuck up your opener or vanish, ss trait is the worst possible trait to have. It does nothing unless used w a stealth garrote
tough warren
o really
hollow stone
Yarly
tough warren
dayum
royal lantern
its in the description lol
restive path
So when u exsang u don’t reapply the bleeds right
daring imp
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
restive path
U left them run out ?
tough warren
yeah but sometimes the wording is difficult
pure sparrow
don't "let them run out"
molten cosmos
The hell
pure sparrow
let them tick to the last second
molten cosmos
X)
pure sparrow
never have a loss in uptime, but you also never want to reapply early
molten cosmos
Like before the tick that makes it disappears right?
hollow stone
Ideally you want to reapply a non ss emp garr at 0.001 sec on your emp ss exaang garr
proven ice
Like as close to 0 without going under
molten cosmos
Ok
tough warren
And i got another question, i didnt find an answer in the guide.
When do I pick toxic blades/exsang? is it on a stat breakpoint?
hollow stone
But realistically, its easier to just let it fall completely and reapply asap
Sim it
tough warren
okay will do
hollow stone
Exsang only became better for me this past monday
sleek moth
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
glad ferry
Does pandemic still exist
proven ice
When you have fewer ss traits and less haste
pure sparrow
yes @ pills
tacit plinth
I feel like gearing for multi is such a trap
molten cosmos
Hum
tough warren
I currently have 1 SS and 2 Sharpened Blades
molten cosmos
Bloodmallet updated the stats
tacit plinth
imagine having 3% haste on a tyran boss fight
glad ferry
anyone has a good WA for it
restive path
Feels weird not using exsang on cd
glad ferry
When do you use exsang?
hollow stone
Depends on the week for m+. This week you dont want an aoe heavy build because of tyrannical
glad ferry
when vanish comes off and vandetta?
tacit plinth
do you really hold your second exsang for vanish/vendetta?
why not just let the vanish sit for 15 seconds
most bosses aren't goingto last 4 minutes
pallid fjord
Im sad 340 SS chest beats 385 dubble dose :/
tacit plinth
sorry talking about m+ here
pure sparrow
because you're trying to maximize how many vanishes you get in the fight
golden mulch
yes got all 3 SS traits finally weekly was scrap item tho :/
pure sparrow
if you're ONLY ever going to get 2 in, just exsang early
fleet matrix
i got 385 SS chest from the cache
golden mulch
Do i use exsanguinate in raid with 3 SS ?
pure sparrow
vanish is more important for damage with SS than exsang
void raft
3rd SS sims lower than 355 chest with daggers in back
nocturne cradle
Any alliance Na players here? Looking to find out what the emissary weapon is for us
pure sparrow
im talking about vanishes
tacit plinth
oh sorry
delicate root
mastery just overtook crit on stats o.O
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8zyFRrhahEec28v9YozpA1
pure sparrow
you want to maximize the amount of vanishes you get off
tacit plinth
i mean you basically vanish in the opener after exsang right
pure sparrow
however, if the boss will only ever last long enough to get 2 vanishes off, you can exsang it
tacit plinth
so at 2:10 of the fight when vanish comes back up you should have ~10-14 seconds before exsang is bac up
pure feely craft here
lone junco
If you do a 3rd prior. Yes.
polar timber
whats vuln
tacit plinth
i feel like its better to hold the vanish
lone junco
If you delay 3rd it aligns earlier.
glad ferry
Is there different stat prio depending on if you use exsang versus Toxic blades?
nocturne cradle
Sim
glad ferry
I sim like 700000 times a day
lone junco
I will be doing 1min intervals with GC. Not exang oncd
glad ferry
hoped someone just had a quick answer
paper bough
does uldir gear have our bis trait ss on it
lone junco
Assuming the sim is right. 🤔
paper bough
or does more shit for ass come from mythics
nocturne cradle
We cant answer you since the better talent is based on your gear traits
daring imp
WHY ALL TANKS KEEP MOVING THE BOSS WHEN I POP GC BOON
paper bough
trying to figure all this out with the new way they decide d to fuck m+ weekly cache
summer timber
pay 3 buck for raid bots for front of the que sims @glad ferry then theres your quick answer
paper bough
basically if your bis traits dont drop in raid now your fucked
pure sparrow
because they hate rogues
lone junco
@glad ferry prob just heavy haste. But the GC trinket and 3ss will make it pop.
hollow stone
Afaik, you should use your 2nd exsang asap and because of the delay in your first vanish, the cd of vanish and your 3rd exsang is about 5 seconds. I felt like it was worth waiting to line em all up. Keep in mind you can vend a bit early for your 2nd vend as you'll still fit a whole exsang bleeds in the vendetta window on the 2nd round
lone junco
Only clothies hate rogues. Devs were kind this tier.
daring imp
@glad ferry very low difference
hollow stone
Only played it for one night, tho. Still working out the kinks
tacit plinth
I mean that 2 minute burst window is huge and if you're not goign to get another cast in holding is fine
lone junco
The apl has a scenario. But boss timing matters WAYWAYWay more than patchwerk.
pure sparrow
devs are always kind to us lbr lol
tacit plinth
If you do lose a cast of vendeta or vanish by holding to sync then you lose a lo tof dps
summer timber
so what's going on now using something besides toxic blade?\
lone junco
You MUST hit the vuln windows with vanish.
restive path
So fully pandemic rupture and garrote and then exsang
tacit plinth
but thats going to have to be a decision made on the pull
devout moth
guys i got 3 SS traits and gallecaller 355. When should i pop the trinket?
when i use vendetta?
torn hinge
should I always 5cp refresh rup and garrote before using exang in the middle of a fight?
hollow stone
Yes. Full pandemic'd rup w exsang feels like a mini adrenaline rush and feels so gooooood
pure sparrow
you should attempt to pandemic empowered garotte rupture before exsang
hollow stone
He's talking the ones where you dont have vanish, i think
torn hinge
yup
pure sparrow
then yeah, pandemic rupture
devout moth
@torn hinge vai jogar league :v
torn hinge
lool
summer timber
So im shwoing fathums comeing up on the short end of trinkets now is it still above most 355's?
final stone
we did it bois i got another shitty ss trait!! we are 2/3 man so trash
pine grove
I've just simmed a 340 shoulder vs. a 370 azerite shoulder. 340 has SS and Heed My Call and 370 has Blood Rite and Gutripper. The sims pretty much put them equal, sometimes giving a slight edge to one or the other depending on how I run it. I didn't think that the traits would have such a huge impact against ilvl, but the sims say otherwise. Does this sound right or is there a chance I've somehow screwed up the sim?
river citrus
I have challenger but weekly conquest is showing 355 chest, is it just showing wrong or is the reward fucked?
torpid sluice
Does the trait "Laser Matrix" work outside of Uldir? (Just got a headpiece from my 4 mythic dungeon weekly and it sims higher)
main blaze
yeah
hollow stone
Infested mobs have like 10k hp. Sin or sub is fine for pushing 10keys
young oxide
Ah ok
summer timber
@pine grove SS is very powerfull atm for assassin depending how many you have stacked could be the main cause of the jump for one or the other i would say if there siming equal go with the higher IL since it provides more stam and agi which would increase your survivability in raid even if it is a minor boost
torpid sluice
@main blaze that yes was at my question? 😛
quartz depot
is exsang only stronger than tb with 3 ss traits?
main blaze
Yes
torpid sluice
Ty 😃
hollow stone
Sub's better if your group has huge balls and pulls the infected mob w the rest of the trash pull just because of how shrukin storm and evis work for prio targets
I recommend not doing that
pure sparrow
so, the only piece of uldir gear that has shrouded suffocation is the jerkin from fetid huh?
pine grove
@summer timber Cheers. I'm currently running three, so swapping to Blood Rite would drop me down to two. That's also a good point, I never thought about the extra survivability. SS also drops off if your group happens to chain pull and not listen to me when I say I need to go back into stealth to do the sick DPS.
pure sparrow
so if we want to stack 3, we need 2 pieces from mythic cache
now that is fucking shitty
late niche
azerite pieces not dropping from M+ runs is so ?????????
radiant wharf
Is sin best now after the decreased dmg on the rest?
hollow stone
Outside of cache loot, our "bis" with ss is a 355 helm from wb, the raid chest, and 340 shoulders
Its a great design
pure sparrow
that is fucking bad
hollow stone
Outside of cache loot, gawwww
sterile wolf
Hi guys 😃
summer timber
what is on that pvp chest btw?
spice surge
SS
spice surge
Conq is SS
sterile wolf
May i ask something ?
hollow stone
No it doesnt
hollow stone
It has bits
oblique pendant
Yes it is
hollow stone
Ohhh. Nice
oblique pendant
It has as lol
modern smelt
The second option is ss u monkey
hollow stone
All the rogue specs are good
late niche
oh that's great news it'll pair well with my 370 SS helm :^)
modern smelt
Assass is easier than everything
sterile wolf
I have Crit/mastery gear, i know assa is doing good but should i go sub ?
sterile wolf
yeah but in perf goal
late niche
I'd say outlaw is the easiest by far
pure sparrow
rogues love over reacting to tiny nerfs
sterile wolf
for my guildmates
hollow stone
Again, all rogue specs are viable and good
summer timber
that would be nice
urban berry
assass is a joke compared to sub tbh
sterile wolf
i know they are all good, i just have a mastery/crit gear
hollow stone
Sim them then
sterile wolf
should i go sub rather than assa ?
pure sparrow
sim yourself, nobody knows but the computer
stuck shuttle
i dont know , its your life
sterile wolf
ok
stuck shuttle
do w/e u want
split veldt
does unstable flames stack?
sterile wolf
thx
summer timber
tbh both ar preforming well Sub excels more at cleave so TBH who care which you go with just have fun doing it
pure sparrow
all the rogues in my guild have been freaking the fuck out if they should switch around or not
lone junco
Play all 3 and don't be dumb.
pure sparrow
^
summer timber
my outlaw set up dropped 1.5k dps after DS nerf
lone junco
🐍
paper bough
its tough when i press 2 things on my arms war and beat my whole guild
lone junco
Balance is ongoing and forever.
paper bough
but i really do want to switch
stuck shuttle
all these FotM sin rogues
summer timber
i nee one more 🐍 to do that
stuck shuttle
pls no
late niche
just switch depending of your actual gear/stats/traits if you want to do the most out of your toon
lone junco
Don't miss out on 3ss. But sub boss dmg is real.
tacit plinth
Sin is over taking sub
pure sparrow
i play whatever is best, always. none of the rogue specs are hard enough that switching specs will ruin you lol
tacit plinth
but they're all in a good spot imo
paper bough
and then im also worried ill swap over and then SS will get gutted when they look at the refresh bug
tacit plinth
like week 1 pre 5% nerf sub was 90% of the top 10 parses
now this week its mainly sin lol
void raft
sin sims 2k higher than my outlaw
summer timber
ya going by what gear you have and playing all three is the best way to go
jovial kite
why
void raft
sin feels worse in PVP to me
royal lantern
^ a FotM scum in the wild
stuck shuttle
@royal lantern looool
summer timber
sin is good in pvp still
tacit plinth
bruh relax I was swapped before the nerfs
summer timber
i dont think they will pve nerf SS
tacit plinth
because I think sin is way more fun in m+
jovial kite
they probably wont
tacit plinth
I will say though going from shuriken storm to fok feels horrible
split veldt
does unstable flames trait stack?
fading socket
Alrighty bois! Whats your opinion without saying "Go sim, go fakking sim!"
I got 385 chest with Double Dose and already had 370 chest with SS. Is the 15 ilvl gain worth losing my SS?
tacit plinth
It's probably not going to be nerfed if its not this week
summer timber
since with SS there on par with most of the other traits for other classes if anything they may buff other traits to make them more apealing
jovial kite
@fading socket if you want an accurate answer you should sim it
final stone
@fading socket LOL bruhh sim that shit
tacit plinth
why would any of us know
fading socket
i said your opinion, not your answer 😛
final stone
omegalul!
stuck shuttle
OMEGALUL
calm grail
My opinion is the 370 is probably better
jovial kite
stuck shuttle
FeelyCraft
gleaming condor
just sim it 4Head
paper bough
my problem with my rogue right now is im sub speccd with no Bits and no SS
fading socket
Niralath got Brain! ❤
paper bough
so idk wtf to do
pine grove
I'd GUESS the SS piece would edge out slightly, but only the sims know for sure.
paper bough
cause it all feelsbad
stuck shuttle
Hoz no brain
tacit plinth
so you're not a rogue then
calm grail
I could be wrong though, so don't let me mis lead You
gleaming condor
stay sub then
final stone
@paper bough feelsbadman go play druid?
paper bough
i have all shuriken toss
paper bough
i dont want to play shit druid
jovial kite
🤦
gleaming condor
run full leather m0 try to get freehold shoulder and helm from shrine
tacit plinth
sin is more fun sub is 
calm grail
All I know is my 340 shrouded Suffocation shoulders were better than my 370 shoulders with Archive of the Titans
gleaming condor
and try to get raid chest from fetid
tacit plinth
the helm shrine is so elusive for me
gleaming condor
= 3ss
fading adder
I play sin and outlaw cause they’re great mindless specs. Too lazy to play sub Lel
tacit plinth
feels bad
sub doesn't require thought
is my symbols up? do I have 2 dances?
ok do the same 5 globals in dance and win
gg
fringe zodiac
are the ravenholdt talent guides up to date?
tacit plinth
at least with sim you have to manage 2 dots instead of 1 
lets be honest arcane mage is the big brain dps spec
fading adder
Sin doesn’t. Refresh dots. Hit cds. Win.
little frigate
Hey lads, I asked this in the wrong chat just now
royal lantern
idk why people always say sin is braindead lol
little frigate
but the 370 trinket from taloc sims lower than the 355 kul tiran cannon. Does this seem correct?
royal lantern
its not like outlaw or sub are harder too play
calm grail
Man, discussions about class difficulty are totally useful and result in thoughtful discussion.
little frigate
damn
gleaming condor
trink
royal lantern
or more like: there is no class in this game with really hard gameplay, the fights are hard part, class gameplay is easy
solid field
What class is "hard" to play nowadays??? Get that conversation outta here
gleaming condor
i have it cuz nothing better
fringe zodiac
what talents are you playing with if u play exang
manic burrow
Even if outlaw or sub aren't harder to play, that doesn't mean that sin isn't braindead lol
stuck shuttle
its just elitist who want to justify their epeen
gleaming condor
@fringe zodiac same as normal just xang instead of TB
calm grail
I'm panicing.
stuck shuttle
and say their class is better because its more difficult
north terrace
Honestly with the right weak auras, every class is easy lol
little frigate
Blizzard had one job, but now a trinket thats 15 item levels higher, is worse than an already mediocre trinket
tacit plinth
you wanna know the real braindead spec right now
WW
swift roundhouse ruined the spec
past harbor
every class is 4 button mashing with some cooldown management...except maybe bm hunter
crimson swift
if all these classe are so easy to play, why ist there such a huge difference between top logs and bad logs? 🤔
tacit plinth
Because playing a class passingly and playing a class well is a thing
gleaming condor
y can’t they let u reforge an azerite piece, keep the ilvl but replace it w the traits of a lower piece
past harbor
@crimson swift bc when i parse lower than a diff class i need to make an excuse
fading adder
It’s an opinion. I’ve played sin so long that it’s just second nature. And same with outlaw. I just can’t play sub.
gleaming condor
stupid af system
crimson swift
@past harbor yeah sounds about right
paper bough
so since we can get 340-350 piece from warfront every time we do it
gleaming condor
370
gleaming condor
for the monthly
paper bough
thats the cache
paper bough
yea im just saying if i did that already
little frigate
also, one last question: does it matter ifyour main hand weapon is lower itemlevel than your offhand?
paper bough
can just chain them for 240-250
past harbor
@crimson swift parsing 90% in any class is something laudable imo, requires some luck at times as well, but i still can't get over BM hutners wtih 80% auto attack damage from pets
paper bough
340-350*