assassination

[civic hinge]

I always read here that in m+ we garrote 3 targets then X, but I can garrote 4 targets before subt runs out. Am i missing something or do we really waste 1 mega garrote?

[limber dew]

@frosty oak never mutilate on 4 cp

[arctic crow]

you vanish on opener??

[trail otter]

@frosty oak Always use 4 cp

[limber dew]

yes you do once the initial garrote drop soff

[frosty oak]

mk

[limber dew]

you vanish garrote garrote

[frosty oak]

ty

[limber dew]

as there will still be an exang rupture up

you ca then envenom once

and rebuild your CPS for when rupture drops off

if there are 2 targets use all 3 garrotes

[terse pawn]

GRGVMRE > standard envemon > vanish, GGRE > standard envenom > Vendetta + exsang

[frosty oak]

@civic hinge u cant do 4 garrotes in subterfuge, you do 3 in subterfuge, but the 4th is outside of it, thus why it has a 6s cd

@civic hinge and if u do a garrote outside of subterfuge, all ur rpevious garrotes lose their SS buff

if they fix t hat bug, it'd be worth doing 4 @civic hinge

[limber dew]

you never want to 4th garrote with SS traits

[exotic abyss]

When should I use galecaller's?

[limber dew]

until the empowered garrotes completely fall off

[terse pawn]

so if your garrote goes on cooldown you fucked up?

[limber dew]

as it dropsthe empowered buff on the first 3

[jagged ore]

So wait, how do you open differently for multi target?

Like how would you open for a two boss fight or just in M+ on 5+ adds

[arctic crow]

my harlans is simming higher than that vers on use trinket

wouldnt we want on use trinkets minaly

[civic hinge]

That's odd, im not sure but I think it doesnt go on CD, can it be possible with high haste or am i making mistake

[stark folio]

Do we handle EP like we did in legion?

[arctic crow]

mainly

[ruby badge]

Since you hold vanish in the opener untill your first garrotes wear off how are you supposed to line the next one up with vendetta if the cooldowns are missaligned now?

[jagged ore]

how many targets is it before you can't keep rupture up on them all without running out of energy or whatever?

[frosty oak]

should we set up for vendetta? for just use it on cd?

[limber dew]

@jagged ore vs 2 targets, garrote 1, garrote the other, regarotte the 1st target, rupture, vendetta, mutilate, (fok if 5cps needed, as this applies the venomous woods effect on other target ) rupture exange the target with both pandemic garrote and pandemic rupture *the first target you opened on

[frosty oak]

after 1st one

[ruby badge]

On guide it says line up with vendetta, but the coolodwns will never align so im unsure

since you vanish like 18 seconds into the opner

[limber dew]

you wait the 15 seconds or so

for them to all align

[ruby badge]

kk

[limber dew]

its a very small window for a REDICULOUS dps gain

[magic thistle]

Why are you suppose do double garrote on single target?

[ruby badge]

yea it makes sense

[terse pawn]

longer garrote

[frosty oak]

vs 2 targets how is garrote rupture 1st, then garrote 2nd target not better? to give EP on last garrote? @limber dew

[terse pawn]

you get + 6 seconds on your garrote if you do it twice

[magic thistle]

the more you know

[terse pawn]

and with even one SS trait your garrote does stupid damage

[magic thistle]

i have 3 😄

[terse pawn]

azerite traits were a mistake

i have one and no way to get any of the others

[magic thistle]

any ability that makes it last 6 seconds longer

or is that just how dots work now

[terse pawn]

pandemic mechanic

[jagged ore]

So in essence

[magic thistle]

thanks. you guys are awesome

[jagged ore]

you're just making sure the other target is garroted in the opener

[strange python]

Garrote doesnt snapshot

[jagged ore]

and maybe venomous wounds

what is snapshot

[terse pawn]

take your buffs when you cast

[gray shuttle]

what the hek is pandemic

[terse pawn]

e.g. if you vendetta after casting your garrote it will still get the vendetta buff

[strange python]

Vs 1 target, you garrote rupture to gain ep quickly and also when you 2ns garrote you have already had an extra tick of empowered garrote increasing its duration

Vs 2 targets you want both to have garrote up

And 1 to have pandemic

As its rediculously powerfuk

[terse pawn]

pandemic used to be a warlock talent that added up to 30% of the old dot duration if you cast a new one while the old one was still ticking

[safe matrix]

-Pandemic this term relates to reapplying buffs/debuffs. When a debuff (like garrote) is refreshed, its remaining time (up to a cap of 30% max duration, so 5.4s for garrote) will be added to the new buff.

i have this in the pins now

[strange python]

You then focus one to rupture and exnage with vendetta

[safe matrix]

👏

[frosty oak]

should we galecallers on vendetta or on opener?

[terse pawn]

does rupture snapshot?

[safe matrix]

no

well

it does with nightstalker

but no one takes NS

[terse pawn]

ah

[safe matrix]

its more or less buffs that cause snapshotting rather than actual abilities

there are 3 things that snapshot in sin

[terse pawn]

makes sense

[jagged ore]

so.. snapshot means if you have rupture on it and then cast vendetta the dot wouldn't get the increased damaged, but it's not so it does get the increased damage?

[safe matrix]

subt and garrote
NS and bleeds
exsang and haste

[jagged ore]

why is it called snapshot

[safe matrix]

basically because it takes a snapshot of what your current stats/buffs are

[terse pawn]

it takes a snapshot of your buffs at the time of casting

[safe matrix]

and uses it to calculate the damage

[spiral furnace]

why are ya boys playing exsang? toxic blades seems easier to use and sims the same for me

[safe matrix]

otherwise if its dynamic it takes you current stats at any given point of that ability

[strange python]

They all scale based on procs etx

[safe matrix]

because it sims higher for other people

your gear != their gear

[jagged ore]

oh

I got it

The damage updates

rather than staying static like a picture is static

[safe matrix]

like how exsang snaspshots

[jagged ore]

Why did it delete my post automatically

[safe matrix]

is that it looks at your haste when you cast it, and it determines how fast it needs to tick

rather than something like vendetta which buffs current damage

[magic thistle]

how do you sim whether or not you wanna toxic blade or exsang

[terse pawn]

raidbots sim

[safe matrix]

bad words

[jagged ore]

I can't insult myself?

[magic thistle]

got it thanks

[jagged ore]

Ah w/e

[safe matrix]

its a blanket ban of the words

[jagged ore]

was just curious

[spiral furnace]

how do you use exsang? any advantage for m+/raid over TB if it sims the same?

[strange python]

@safe matrix hence the hardon for galecallers

[safe matrix]

because people tend to abuse them in this server

[jagged ore]

So how am I using galecallers

is it on CD or

[strange python]

Macro it with exange

?

[lone junco]

@jagged ore align it with exang.

[frosty oak]

just macro it?

[strange python]

Should get 1 gale and exange off between the vanish vendetta combos

[lone junco]

means you delay your exang. to the gc

then align them both at 220 with the vanish.

[strange python]

@lone junco +1

[spiral furnace]

do I refresh all bleeds before exsang?

[strange python]

I trashed my galecallers 340

Wish i hadnt lol

[jagged ore]

with outlaw I felt like I had to be careful with it because with AR and lust my energy would go up like a rocket

you can recover it

[jagged ore]

So galecaller's is just like a free energy recharge after you dump all your energy into pandemic bleeds for exsang?

[lone junco]

no

not at all

it is a 10 sec haste buff that overlaps the 11sec exang.

[terse pawn]

why is there 4 seconds of nothing after vendetta

[frank wyvern]

i freakin' hate on use trinkets

[lone junco]

boss movement.

[frank wyvern]

wish all trinkets would be on equip

[terse pawn]

rip

[lone junco]

Love use trinkets.

[jagged ore]

why only one rupture?

[lone junco]

dont be a bitch. you /use. click the major cd.

[terse pawn]

trinkets used to be interesting

now they're just glorified statsticks

might as well remove the slot

[lone junco]

thats why there is a red arrow.

[jagged ore]

Shouldn't there be two ruptures for pandemic?

[terse pawn]

blizz too lazy to balance activatable trinkets

[jagged ore]

or am I misreading this

[lone junco]

YES

it was running

prior to the clip

you asked about GC

[light kestrel]

I love galecallers, but it just feelsbadman when the tank overreacts to something and pulls the boss out of it.

[lone junco]

yeah. thats the only bad part.

its also absurdly godly in the ggg open m+

[jagged ore]

the what?

[lone junco]

nvm

[safe matrix]

garrote x3

[light kestrel]

The damage you get from it burst wise is pretty insane, not to mention the added aoe damage when everything is bleeding

[jagged ore]

Is there a guide I can read on mythic plus and Assassination?

[lone junco]

60k peak on zek voz after catching a ball tho.

[terse pawn]

triple garrote on aoe packs

[lone junco]

bing

[terse pawn]

then CT

lul

jesus

[jagged ore]

how do you use rupture in big aoe situations?

[safe matrix]

I'd recommend just watching streamers

[terse pawn]

is that full vendetta/vanish/exsang?

fuck sub i'm a sin main now

lmao that fucking garrote damage

[lone junco]

thats like 35k ticks

[vernal sinew]

Morning guys, i re-read a guide, for use exanguinate,But im lost after the second Garrote after vanish, What i did do, after double Garrote? Refresh rupture o Just 5 Cp envenom? And if rupture is at example 12 sec i Refresh or not? Ty for explain.

[lone junco]

vulnerable phases work really well with gc.exang as long as you dont fuck it up. I did a few times. typ boss movement. or garrote vanish.

[silk jolt]

man why cant i log in

[lone junco]

literally drop my trinket and boss gets yanked out of range for the exang.

[silk jolt]

just redirects me to the eula

over and over

[lone junco]

banned

[silk jolt]

have done

[ornate gazelle]

should i be using crimson tempest on bosses in dungeons?

[stone cliff]

CT IS worth only on 3+ targets

[gleaming condor]

switching from sub to sin since i got 3x ss traits now,,,

is fathoms dogshit

i know galecallers is megabis

[severe niche]

fathoms like bis

[gleaming condor]

is there a haste softcap i should aim for rn

or crit

or just keep simming

[severe niche]

21%~

20~ actaully

thats when haste will no longer be best 2ndary stat

[zealous sable]

I mean it can happen way earlier based on trinkets etc, better to just keep simming

[severe niche]

ye

20% it ha galecallers

with*

[gleaming condor]

!opener

.

[tropic rover]

Anyone in here swap from outlaw to sin for M+? How is sin doing in mythics?

[severe niche]

it pumps

so hard this week

you need boss damage

which sin excels at

and the aoe is pretty decent too

just did a 10 kings rest

council boss was aids af

[tropic rover]

yeah I'm outlaw currently, thinking about trying to get some of the SS azerite gear

yeah true

I think I'm just bored of outlaw and looking for a change

or just hating on shitty RTB's

[exotic abyss]

Should i be using galecallers on cd, then align it for the 2nd vendetta+vanish?

g r g gale vend mut r ex and gale on cd*

[serene glacier]

was doing few runs with exsang yesterday... dunno why but the build feels wierd 🤔 definitely preffer toxic blade

[runic basin]

morning guys - how is currently the assa rogue in M+ also in ST. Did you guys use a mixed skill this week? Tyranicle need good ST Dps..

[warm beacon]

i just tried exsang and it feels bad

[unkempt pond]

you must be doing it wrong tbh

[lone junco]

with gc, im up to 30% haste for the exang. snapshot.

pretty nice tbh.

[empty tangle]

Is there a haste break point? I just hit 15.62% unbuffed haste and it dropped from 1.92 weight to 1.5 and mastery went up to 1.7

[spiral furnace]

@empty tangle try simming reforging plots

[frosty oak]

if you vendetta then exsang does it snapshot ur new garrote?

[stuck shuttle]

never CT on ST

waste of CP

[lone junco]

@frosty oak its just a haste calculation point for exang.

other buffs come and go

[stuck shuttle]

finally broke the 14k barrier

feelsgood

just in time for mythic

[static tide]

Honest opinion, sin is fantastic in m+ and in Uldir, having the time of my life with it.

[oblique pendant]

I have 21% haste lul

[cunning pebble]

Just waiting to get home from work to 3x 385 SS azerite pieces in ma chest!

[lone junco]

I got a GC trinket

[oblique pendant]

:'(

[lone junco]

but yeah. just one loot

did get the SS hat from shrine tonight tho.

we ballin

[severe niche]

it updates dynamically

[oblique pendant]

So now you will have to be extremaly lucky to get azerite from chest

[severe niche]

wait

[static tide]

I still need my ss shoulders. 😦

[severe niche]

my chat was scrolled up

[cunning pebble]

I think shat fit better in that sentence

[severe niche]

true

[cunning pebble]

😄

[severe niche]

🦊

[polar timber]

so im sure this has been asked tons but does exsang take what your bleeds are at when you cast it and then shorten them or does it take the what the max duration of the bleed normally is and make it tick 100% faster from that

[opaque tree]

where your bleed is

[echo geyser]

where do you get the weekly chest?

[safe matrix]

!chest

[prisma monolith]

Weekly chest position:
Alliance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPlCI652Wo
Horde - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLjg2XCTe7U

[polar timber]

so is it advised to refresh both before you cast it

[stuck shuttle]

first door on the right

[opaque tree]

so if you're bleed has 5 secs and you exsang, then you only get 5 seconds of it ticking fast

[stuck shuttle]

great seal

[echo geyser]

thanks

[opaque tree]

refresh your dots before you exsang

[polar timber]

okay

sank you

[safe matrix]

thats why you double garrote and stuff

so you do max duration

[polar timber]

right during opener

[safe matrix]

with new duration + max pandemic

[stuck shuttle]

god exsang feels so good

[lone junco]

great example of boss timing

would hate for that to push off the end.

ss coming in waves.

[true aurora]

Exsang is cool. I like TB better tho. Exsang only sims 100 dps higher for me

[lone junco]

GC trinket is 👌

[spring prawn]

DUDE

380 with socket

370 with socket

daggers

[jagged finch]

https://i.imgur.com/HWznpjc.png this weekly shit pretty good

[spring prawn]

whats that addon with the traits?

[jagged finch]

azerite tooltip

[spring prawn]

ty brother

[wide delta]

can anyone tell me please where that chest is?

cant find it

[spring prawn]

in the temple

archaeologie trainer

[stuck shuttle]

its from underrot

[wide delta]

there so many temples lol

[stuck shuttle]

underrot last boss

3 SS dungeons are Underrot, Shrine, and Freehold

[unreal sundial]

question, why on opener does it suggest to 4 combo rupture and not 5?

[stuck shuttle]

you G R G on opene

[unreal sundial]

is that to get vendetta up asap?

[stuck shuttle]

to pandemic it

and garrote

[unreal sundial]

not sure I follow...

[stuck shuttle]

I would read the guide

you max garrote time and rupture time

then vendetta and exsang

[unreal sundial]

I have, but perhaps I am taking it a bit too literal

[stuck shuttle]

g r g v m r exsanguinate

is the rotation

[unreal sundial]

thanks man

[stuck shuttle]

np

[raven scaffold]

is assa playable without SS traits, got a 370 instead of my 340 bis traits

[slender hare]

sim it

[harsh gate]

@jagged finch you won the lottery

[soft island]

380 shoulders <340 SS shoulders....

jeeeez

[slender hare]

Yea, Feel like I will be holding onto my 3 340 SS pieces for a long time...

rip stamina

[soft island]

thats 40iL everyone

[quick ice]

380 do you have both traits unlocked?

[soft island]

only first one

[quick ice]

Because if you do it's extra sad

Oh

[eternal wave]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[tough whale]

If you guys want to see the king rogue of method he's streaming prog

But he got shit luck with traits so he's sub

[quick ice]

Which rogue is the king rogue?

[tough whale]

Spookiee_

[alpine hedge]

none

[polar timber]

what do you guys like to run for m+ pb or ct

[tough whale]

ct

pb adds almost nothing

[soft island]

PB adds more fan of knives and more ruptures

tbh

😄

[tough whale]

But CT just.. does more

[tired helm]

is laser matrix any good?

[soft island]

it doesnt

[opaque tree]

i have a lazer matrix..it sims higher than my 340 SS chest

[soft island]

this week is CT worse unless like 3 crazy aoe pulls

[opaque tree]

it's only 355 ilvl and my chest was 340, simmed higher with lazer matrix though

remember, you get raw stats too 😛

i was 3/3 SS, now i'm 2/3 with 355 lazer matrix chest and shoulders and helm at 340, both SS traits.

i seriously doubt holding onto 340 pieces just for SS is going to sim higher than heroic HEAD/CHEST/SHOULDERS. there's no way. the raw stats alone are going to push the damage

[tight meteor]

i dont like laser cuz it likes to hit random shit in dungeons

[gleaming condor]

i understand the opener and shjt but when my exang comes back up tf do i do w it

[worldly mantle]

Really enjoying praying for rng once a week to get bis traits

Loots 385 azerite shoulders and they are worse then my 340

[polar timber]

yea this is gonna be a shit expansion if they are gonna make us pray for traits everyweek

[civic palm]

Yeah this is gonna be a shit expansion if I don't get the loot off the boss I want.

[worldly mantle]

Its a chance once a week

[tight meteor]

inb4 next q&a we fucked up azerite now drops from m+

[worldly mantle]

out of like 200 items

[tight meteor]

pls blizz

[worldly mantle]

how can u agree with that system

[civic palm]

Turns out Blizzard balances shit around the notion that the likeliness that you will have 3xSS for 2 years isn't likely.

[polar timber]

it should be 1 piece of azerite and then a random piece and chances at more azerite

[tight meteor]

^

why the fuck they make it 1 piece per week

reeeeee

[civic palm]

To stop you from having perfect gear...

[lone junco]

@gleaming condor between 0:50 and 1:10 use exang with gc trinket at max pandemic. its pretty limp there. then you align all your shit at 2:20 for big deeps. then it all falls to shit. until 4:20

[cunning pebble]

its 1-3 pieces right?

[thin ingot]

yo

[tight meteor]

no

[cunning pebble]

Gotta love the rng

[thin ingot]

check up your boi

[tight meteor]

always 1

[thin ingot]

stabatouille

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fPMYbwqZWFBnhTpz/#fight=last&type=damage-done&graphperf=1

world 3rd sin rogue

[lone junco]

i got my GC and wep and ss hat.

[cunning pebble]

I'm pretty sure it's not always 1

[solid sluice]

is 2x SS traits enough for assa to pull ahead of sub

[lone junco]

was a good day

[thin ingot]

yes its me

[civic palm]

It's 1.

It functions the same as it did in Legion.

[cunning pebble]

People on beta have been getting up to 3 items from the chest

[tight meteor]

its 1 now

they changed it

[cunning pebble]

Wauw..

[civic palm]

They didn't change shit. It was never 3 on live > _>

[polar timber]

yea that was just for testing apprently

they made a blue post about it today

[cunning pebble]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=287076/mythic-weekly-chests-only-award-one-item-in-battle-for-azeroth
Yea, damn

[harsh gate]

@thin ingot can u post Raidbots top gear from 940 to 985 shoulders

[civic palm]

4 weeks in still 900 gear.

_>

[lone junco]

@thin ingot that 220 👏

[civic palm]

The streak continues.

[thin ingot]

what

[lone junco]

2:20 peak.

[tight meteor]

lmao

[thin ingot]

ye :v

im stronk

[thin ingot]

maghar orcs

the pimpin

boosts your dps

[polar timber]

hmm its simming dagger in the back 340 better than my 330 ss

[civic palm]

Sure.

[lone junco]

fight timing was perfect. and it was nice of those guys to die in the sweet phase.

[civic palm]

lol

[lone junco]

else it would have chopped off your curve.

[civic palm]

RL I need the fight to last exactly 2 minutes and 30 seconds.

[lone junco]

without exang its literally 250

ish

[polar timber]

does ss show in the tooltip

[fading chasm]

What's the exang build everyone is running?

[ember spruce]

I think with the nerf on Sub/Outl

Its better to concentrate on sin, right?

[strange python]

😦

[charred raptor]

So I'm confused about Exsang
Once I pop it, do I pandemic the bleeds or do i let them drop and reapply?

[polar timber]

well i think you should focus on w.e your best traits are

[daring imp]

@civic palm "ok now people start dying so we can see his spike"

[civic palm]

heh

[thin ingot]

@harsh gate https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uwqBhdW73UKQyGSsLb1sou

1.3% upgrade

[fading chasm]

So are people running 2212331 post nerfs?

[charred raptor]

That's what I ran tonight on Heroic

Had a lot of success with it

[civic palm]

Do whatever you want.

So long you haven chosen talents you will probably be fine.

[thin ingot]

i hace MP by mistake btw, was doing some pvp before logging off

didnt change back to EP

[fading chasm]

Let's delete the discord everyone just do what they like

what kind of answer is that

[civic palm]

Yeah do what you like, the ranges between talents choices are well within the margin of player error.

[thin ingot]

the only doubt about playing with EP that i have

is that idk if trying to maintain the buff is better or worse than clipping envenoms within the buff

idk if i made myself clear, english isnt my native lenguage

[charred raptor]

It's extremely difficult to maintain super high uptime on EP with current haste levels

especially single target, it's going to fall off

[thin ingot]

yeah but theyre 2 completely different playstyles

in order to mantain it you just starve yourself energywise everytime you can

if you wanna clip envenoms you gotta save energy until almost full and pray for some crits

so you can clip at least 3 or 4 before repeating the cycle

[charred raptor]

It's pretty similar to maintaining surge of toxins from Legion

If you feel like you're not going to be able to maintain it for 3-4 cycles in a row

[lone junco]

crit will push uptimes. maybe if they buff that mut crit trait.

[charred raptor]

it's best to let it drop and then pool back up

[lone junco]

gimme 75% mut crit again. k thx.

[thin ingot]

on my fetid kill y went for the clipping though

[lone junco]

ep for the duration of ss is ideal.

[thin ingot]

yeah definetly

sin is fun

[prime quail]

guys

is this chest bugged?

[lone junco]

🌰

[prime quail]

only got 1 item out there

and it was a trinket

[civic palm]

No it's working as intended.

[lone junco]

nah. your unluck

[prime quail]

got 375 Azerokks resonating heart

[cunning pebble]

Not bad

[prime quail]

and a 370 dagger from pvp

crit haste

good week

[civic palm]

👌

[keen spruce]

12 total pulls, 4 heroic bosses down for the week in a pug

not bad

I fed them feasts and told them they were beautiful

[lone junco]

I should pug heroic this weekend if we dont do well tomorrow

[keen spruce]

so they did well

I have no faith in my guild

to keep up with dps

so i'm pre-clearing

and if we get to heroic bosses then great

pretty sure we're not quite on full normal farm though

[atomic karma]

does anyone have any good rogue assass weakauras

like the whole setup

[keen spruce]

pins

[atomic karma]

energybar combo points etc

[keen spruce]

has some good pre-builts

[atomic karma]

which pins

[severe hemlock]

O

[keen spruce]

wait not it does

[severe hemlock]

World boss drops SS head

[keen spruce]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[keen spruce]

there you go

[stuck oyster]

atm i don't have a ss trait because i sim way lower with my ss azerit pieces. how do i have to open the fight?

[atomic karma]

ty sir

[keen spruce]

you open the fight by finding a piece of SS gear

[glacial steppe]

+10 was supposed to give you a 385 Item, am I right?

[civic palm]

SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE

[keen spruce]

385 azerite

380 normal piece

[glacial steppe]

Ah okay

[chrome temple]

in that guide, im assuming we want 1 of each azerite power, instead of stacking shrouded suffocation?

[gray shuttle]

!rotation

[shy axle]

stack

[keen spruce]

all of the SS

[civic palm]

All of the, what is best for you.

[keen spruce]

When in doubt SS

[strange python]

what are you guys gemming? or just top stat of what the sim says

[keen spruce]

if you don't want to be in doubt, sim

[strange python]

even though it changes a lot

[atomic karma]

what is crimson tempest

[keen spruce]

mine is literally always haste

[atomic karma]

its in the rotation

for cleave

[strange python]

so are you gemming full haste

[keen spruce]

Crimson tempest is you final row talent for cleave

yes

[strange python]

haste isn't as good in aoe though

[keen spruce]

full haste for me

[atomic karma]

oh ty

how often do i run crimson tempest?

[keen spruce]

I haven't seen anyone that doesn't have haste above everything else

[strange python]

crit is kind of a nice stat for both

[keen spruce]

refresh bleeds with it

so as it runs out, reapply

[atomic karma]

i mean run it

[keen spruce]

i mean refresh it's own bleed

but don't spam as far as I know

I dont run it cuz i'm lazy

and I'd rather use CP on rupture

[atomic karma]

do you only use it for dungeons?

[river quarry]

um

is archive of the titans

actually bottom on sim?

wtf

[keen spruce]

pretty much doo doo yeah

I think mythic + would be the primary place for it

probably good on Zul too

[atomic karma]

so not raid ever?

ok ty sir

[keen spruce]

maybe on Zek vos

[daring imp]

who was lucky enough to snatch 385 azerite armor with SS on it?

[keen spruce]

385, Rezan's fury

down to 1 SS

[daring imp]

i got a sharpened blades one lul

[civic palm]

w/e is an upgrade is an upgrade, doesn't matter what it's called.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[river quarry]

huh?

r u sure

340 to 355

[keen spruce]

correct Miz

[river quarry]

doesn't matter the trait?

[keen spruce]

no upgrade on sims

not ilvl

if it makes you do more damage, it's an upgrade, and it doesn't matter what it is

stat/trait/etc

unless you lose that last SS

[civic palm]

Gotta drop 2xSS because it turns out AGI is real fucking good? Oh well more DPS.

[keen spruce]

then it'll feel bad

[civic palm]

Yeah nty gimme 1!!

Thankfully I already have my chest > _>

so get fukt.

[keen spruce]

I just don't want a 385 Shoulder to drop w/o SS

what if it sims higher

and I have to do 1cp garrote openers

[civic palm]

Just fucking Laser Matrix some motherfuckers.

[keen spruce]

but muh rotation

[civic palm]

But... yer L A S E R S

[atomic karma]

may i ask with the rotatioin

[civic palm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/robot-lazer-moving-picture-NFggbnBvFwKbK

[atomic karma]

why are we garroting twice

[keen spruce]

[civic palm]

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[atomic karma]

why are we garroting twice at start and twice at end

[lone junco]

gg

it just sounds better that way

[civic palm]

Pandemic: The act of refreshing a DoT before it expires to transfer up to 30% of its' total duration to the refreshed DoT. This will allow you to add the remaining time to the new DoT (this only works 1 time and cannot be stacked).

[keen spruce]

If you have SS, and are running Subterfuge:

Garrote, Rupture, Garrote, Vendetta/trinket/racial, Mutilate, Rupture, Exanguinate

[atomic karma]

thanks sir

[keen spruce]

Right before Garrote Expires -> Vanish, garrote, garrote, Rupture/envenom (if rupture needs refresh), Mut, Mut, Rupture/Envenom (if rupture needs a refresh

[keen spruce]

after casting Exanguinate, let Garrote and rupture burn all the way down before refreshing

[restive harness]

that kingsbane

[keen spruce]

wtf am I looking at Noobe

[lone junco]

💸

[civic palm]

GET THAT THERE KINGSBANE TRASH OUTTA HEEEEEEEEERE

[gray shuttle]

Just rupture with 3 CP?

[civic palm]

That's better.

[glacial steppe]

so there isnt a single SS+OP azerite item?

yikes

[civic palm]

You've other options.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[atomic karma]

ty noobee

[keen spruce]

Rupture with 3CP because you're going to refreshing shortly after before Exang which will be a longer duration

because of pandemic

[civic palm]

_>

[keen spruce]

I've still got those

[lone junco]

0 additional

[glacial steppe]

is that WQ?

[keen spruce]

I've had 3 pairs

[daring imp]

pls

[atomic karma]

when you refresh the rupture ytou mean?

[glacial steppe]

because dungeons/raid doesnt drop any SS+OP

[keen spruce]

rupture is a bleed, refreshing just means recasting it

[civic palm]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[atomic karma]

yeah but when do i do it on 3cp

[lone junco]

ss hat is in shrine

[keen spruce]

only in the opener

[civic palm]

Another one geez

[keen spruce]

Garrote, rupture, garrote, etc etc etc

from earlier

[atomic karma]

oh yeah you mean the very first 2

yeah

gotchya

[exotic frigate]

Is Raidbots simulation up to date guys?

[keen spruce]

should be

[glacial steppe]

@civic palm these doesnt matter if they are WQ cause they will be only 340

[lone junco]

it is updated nightly 😎

[strange python]

Hype for a bleed focused sin for this tier.

[keen spruce]

Method just killed mother

[stuck shuttle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/DtqwzUPtEsMZHDpo5UypA perfectly balanced

[keen spruce]

EU first

[lone junco]

nah. we gonna be mut rogues later. this is just a warm up

[keen spruce]

14k club

[stuck shuttle]

Pog

[atomic karma]

that open er noobee sent he mutilates

then vendetta

is that right

[exotic frigate]

Why are people saying we can drop 1 ss? I'm simming a 370 without ss and a 340 with ss (which gives me a total of 3) and the 340 is simming higher

[keen spruce]

it's not gonna make a massive difference

[gray shuttle]

Why pair Vanish + Vendetta???

[strange python]

Just a variation

[daring imp]

@stuck shuttle how long switching gears for that?!?!

[keen spruce]

Vendetta will still be running when you vanish

[atomic karma]

whats most efficient

[stuck shuttle]

@daring imp not much lol

[civic palm]

Get outta my spreadsheet ya nerds

[keen spruce]

Vendetta and Mute are both on GCD

so it's basically no different

If you cast it after, you'll probably get one more mutilate in later

if you cast it before, you get a mutilate off right away

difference should be negligible

[lone junco]

wot

[gray shuttle]

Why even vanish during fight

[keen spruce]

whatever is easier on your fingers

Because of subterfuge

[lone junco]

TROLL ENGAGED

[keen spruce]

and SS trait

it's your primary source of garrote damage

IF ITS A JEBAIT ITS A JEBAIT

[thin ingot]

you vanish to reset your aggro

duuuh

[keen spruce]

[woven bane]

did something get nerfed or why did i read something about nerfs earlier in the chat

[stuck shuttle]

sub and outlaw

[civic palm]

Probably.

[sand canyon]

Pb even in tyrannical doesnt seem worth

2-3% of boss dmg is dogshit

[lone junco]

it is dog shit

[sand canyon]

rather have more consistent aoe on trash then wtf

ct > pb atm

even on tyr

[lone junco]

i told you that

[keen spruce]

You need to think about what you're giving up with CT though

[sand canyon]

well a pb fanboy was writing here

[keen spruce]

it's not as far behind as you think

[sand canyon]

its not far behind but overall dps ct gives u more

[lone junco]

you done a 15 yet?

[keen spruce]

it's not just the PB damage

[sand canyon]

it does 10% my dmg pb 5%

[keen spruce]

it's also the 5 cp and GCD for CT

[sand canyon]

and its 0% rng which is godlike

yes shmoops so what

it does 5% more dmg?

[lone junco]

have you gotten a galecaller trinket?

[sand canyon]

u know what i mean?

i have noobe

[lone junco]

it is really nice.

[sand canyon]

i try full st haste build atm

but for trash i think

[lone junco]

my box has gifted me.

[sand canyon]

u wanna play with dice

[lone junco]

ok

[magic thistle]

If i have an empowered stealth garrote going on a target and its at 6% do i reapply a non stealth garrote or wait until the bleed is all the way gone

[lone junco]

we pull small enough that im the king

[molten cosmos]

Hey guys. Is there lot of diff between the poison dagger and exsang?

[lone junco]

3-5

[keen spruce]

if you look at your damage and you see that PB did 2-3% of boss damage, that is not accounting for the the 5 CP you're spending on ruptures/envenoms instead of CT

[stuck shuttle]

fetted nerfed on mythic already

gg

[molten cosmos]

Why

[keen spruce]

CT probably still ahead in most cases, i'm just saying it's not as big of a stomp as a lot of people are making it out to be

[lone junco]

sure it is.

40% in some packs

[sand canyon]

Im not making things shrooms

[lone junco]

less in st

[sand canyon]

ct is godlike in highkeysd

[civic palm]

IIRC PBOMB only wins when you only EVER hit 2 targets.

[sand canyon]

idc about super lowkeys obvsl

[civic palm]

But since that's not fucking realistic.

_>

[sand canyon]

just saying pb does less then i thauhgt in ST

[daring imp]

m+ you wanna that sweet CT for big pulls

[molten cosmos]

CT for?

[sand canyon]

and in aoe CT > pb by far

[lone junco]

next step is to get the sweet crit. for fok cts.

[sand canyon]

its not even close

[civic palm]

Yeah PBOMB stuck @ 2-4% forever.

[lone junco]

and on the run? fuck pb.

[sand canyon]

yea and this is not worth

[lone junco]

with a stick.

[sand canyon]

i rather have trash 5% more dmg then boss 2%

[civic palm]

Not worth in the slightest.

[magic thistle]

If i have an empowered stealth garrote going on a target and its at 6 seconds on duration do i reapply a non stealth garrote or wait until the bleed is all the way gone

[civic palm]

Especially considering how gnarly trash is > _>

[keen spruce]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/29souXGo9ZZ6A5GEoroqhS

Please lord can I get like 10% more haste

[civic palm]

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[keen spruce]

I can't live like this

[dusky fulcrum]

Guys why is every rogue i see stream mythic a troll?

[lone junco]

esp with kiting meta

[dusky fulcrum]

what did i miss

[keen spruce]

Racial

[lone junco]

haste is good

[keen spruce]

Same reason that almost every top guild is Horde

[dusky fulcrum]

is it really that much stronger? isnt belt purge better for zul etc

[keen spruce]

maybe

[sand canyon]

im testing it right now

[lone junco]

not all classes need to be trolls.

[keen spruce]

just bring priests for that

[sand canyon]

pb for boss only is not worth

[atomic karma]

when do i refresh garrot

[keen spruce]

no they can be orcs too

[sand canyon]

and trash its rng and still does less dmg then ct overall by far

[atomic karma]

at 0?

[dusky fulcrum]

maybe i should reroll to troll aswell then 🤔

its like 170k gold for a race change

[lone junco]

only rng on ct, is the crit gain

[daring imp]

stack 6 priests never worry about that again

[keen spruce]

@atomic karma if it is empowered by exanguinate, refresh close to 0. if it's not refresh at like 5.5 seconds

[lone junco]

afk 😴

[keen spruce]

ish

[gray shuttle]

Why not Garrote Twice on the opening?

[keen spruce]

you do garrote twice

[sand canyon]

yea noobe

[keen spruce]

once before and once after the rupture

[sand canyon]

i did 10runs with ct and it did like always 5-7% more dmg then pb overall

[gray shuttle]

No i mean before Rupture

[lone junco]

if they ever nerf ss. im not sure whats next.

[sand canyon]

which means = more speed

and pb on st is just to small

gian in my opinion right now

[civic palm]

Scent > _>

[lone junco]

2scent 1fok maybe?

w/e

zzz

[daring imp]

if they nerf ss, back to sub for m+ lul

[lone junco]

i just sharded all my non ss gear.

im in to win

it is my top ST, and cleave. in the same gear set

[daring imp]

item restoration goes back up to 6 months i guess, nothing is lost for good 😛

[cunning pebble]

But remember theres a 15 days lockout 😦 😦 😦

[daring imp]

you can restore a gazilion items at once

[gray shuttle]

!STAT

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[dusky fulcrum]

guys i just simmed my char as if i was a troll

the difference is huge

13437 as belf 13573 as troll

thats 140 dps

[hasty holly]

why does troll

give more dps

[thick comet]

[hasty holly]

i'm a troll but i don't understand why

[dusky fulcrum]

better racial

[thick comet]

berserk

[hasty holly]

i don't... use my racials

oh shieeeeeet

[dusky fulcrum]

🤦

[thick comet]

wut

[hasty holly]

i rolled troll because i liked the ideas of trolls

tall ass motherfuckers lmao

but thanks for the heads up

SmileyFace

[fierce ingot]

Why is that a reason not to use it

[civic palm]

HASTE R GUD

[fierce ingot]

Did you just not know about it? 😂

[royal lantern]

troll and belf racials are the reason why all world first guilds are horde lol

[dusky fulcrum]

do you get a namechange if u change race?

[fierce ingot]

Yeah

[dusky fulcrum]

aight im rerolling my race then for sure

[civic palm]

. . .

[dire sparrow]

anyone else feeling like they do less dmg today as assassination?

[dusky fulcrum]

My mog even fits a troll better than a belf

[royal lantern]

idk man, rerolling race cus of 170dps? even thought the belf racial is op as hell in bfa AGAIN?

[daring imp]

no we don't have rtb afaik @dire sparrow

[keen spruce]

@dire sparrow no

[civic palm]

BELF racial is better this expansion than the previous for PVE IMO > _>

[royal lantern]

you probably will not do the dmg cus you changed race, 1-2 lucky crits in a fight do more shit

[dusky fulcrum]

170 dps is alot when you're competing with 3 other rogues for a raidspot 😛

[keen spruce]

I've set personal best parses today

[hot snow]

are you guys macroing in Galecaller with vanish or?

[keen spruce]

which are still garbage

but it's something

[civic palm]

PROGRESSION SHMOOPS

PROGREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESS

[royal lantern]

it is lol´´aoe silence is too good, aoe purge now!´´ ´´lul all dungeons/some raid bosses have purge mechanics now!´´

[civic palm]

Yeah odd how that happened.

_>

ODD

Also there's 200 things to interrupt per dungeon.

But they're not really designed around aoe-interrupts.

[scenic saddle]

Guys any good elvui setup you can rcommnD?

recomend

[pastel vault]

1.5% dmg for troll racial from blood elf

for me

200 dps

[ocean nebula]

bonusrolled the ss head from world boss feelsgood

[daring imp]

already got my weekly 1k ap from ... bonus rolls ... again

[open reef]

hey - do you think they will nerf garrote trait ?

[muted quarry]

wheres the best spot to farm leather now. they nerfed all the really good ones already

[molten cosmos]

Is there a lot of diff between exsang and TB?

[thin ingot]

for me its .9% in a 5 min patchwerk fight

at 360 ilvl SSx3

[keen spruce]

did they nerf porcupines?

D:

[strange python]

Everyone is saying it will scale up and up

[muted quarry]

i think that spot is still up

[thin ingot]

why is spooke doing less dmg than sco btw

[keen spruce]

TB was ahead for me until I hit about 355 ilvl

but other people had a break point ealier

some later

now it sims quite a bit higher

[molten cosmos]

Hmm

[heavy trail]

im wearing 360 and tb is about 15 dps ahead 😄

[strange python]

I am at the break point too. Sims within 1% atm

[keen spruce]

yeah depends on your gear

[molten cosmos]

I was outlaw in single before the patch but as the secondary stats are the same...

I'm 350

Gonna link armory if you want

[keen spruce]

if you have different stats/traits/etc.

so everyone will sim differently

[strange python]

I only have 1 SS piece

[molten cosmos]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/fr-fr/character/ysondre/Tøopa

[strange python]

I have 3 technically but it's all same slot....

[keen spruce]

French

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sfjzeuRvKYxUNeM5oQXmcp

only when it sims higher

for me its like a 65 dps increase

so not massive, but not nothing

I'm lazy

and the wrong person to ask

i just leave my shit the same

maybe throw crimson tempest in there if I want to click more buttons

[strange python]

Muscle is recommending CT and exsang iirc

[keen spruce]

that sounds right to me

[ancient sonnet]

idk if i can bring myself to play the game ever again after opening my pvp and m+ caches this morning

[keen spruce]

I love me some bad beat stories on reset day

tell me your woes young man

[ancient sonnet]

370 cloak equipped, crack open a 1% upgrade 375 from pvp cache, then another HUGE 2% upgrade cloak on from fucking m+ cache

im genuinely seething

actually furious

[keen spruce]

Look

all you gotta do

[strange python]

Got a 380 cloak from cache. Thought ok that's not azerite bit it's a 15% upgrade. Then got a 370 Cape from mythic weekly.

[keen spruce]

is put all of your gear in void storage

before you open your caches

and it will always be a huge upgrade

I didn't grind hard enough on PvP

only played to cap

yolo 2s

[night cypress]

same

[keen spruce]

and got to 1450

hot garbage

[cunning pebble]

Keep the bad stories coming, get me through work so I can go open my own bad chest

[ancient sonnet]

got to like 1700 in a few hours of 3v3

[tight meteor]

does ashine stream

anyone know

[ancient sonnet]

gonna just try for a 2100 push

sin

ye

[keen spruce]

well A) I'm bad
B) double dps on first day of areana into a billion hpals
C) I'm bad

[ancient sonnet]

its big damage

?

[keen spruce]

Sub still very strong

[ancient sonnet]

envenom hits as hard as evisc

[keen spruce]

Assa does big peen dmg though

[ancient sonnet]

and your split pressure is way better

[strange python]

All 3 specs are killing it right now

[ancient sonnet]

you have cheap, you just have to vanish for it

[keen spruce]

Less control, way more spread pressure

[ancient sonnet]

• you can use vanish to cheap multiple people

on top of a silence for healer

high iq silence on healer at 20% hp

hes done

[keen spruce]

Vanish burst windows is fucking

[ancient sonnet]

you can do 2 cheaps and still get an empowered garrote

just gotta be a fastboi

noone does

[keen spruce]

🌬 ♿ fastboi

[ancient sonnet]

thats some 2400 stuff

not low tier mongo play

[heavy trail]

for those who are interested in finding out breakpoints
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kMHBtmjCVH58dwcd88aWdF

[ancient sonnet]

most people dont even know what subterfuge is or that it exists

you should in 3v3

[keen spruce]

he's calling 2k low tier mongo play

to be clear

[ancient sonnet]

no im calling 1600

low tier

[keen spruce]

oh

yees they're a bunch of bucket heads

[ancient sonnet]

im chillin at 1700 and the only things i have problems with are RMP or anything with a disc really

[keen spruce]

disc runs oom pretty fast

smite nerf

[ancient sonnet]

turns out shimmer is literally the highest iq spell on planet earth

real fair

[keen spruce]

Shimmer is turbo gay

[ancient sonnet]

dont know why it exists

[keen spruce]

and I play with a mage

I still think it's a fucking meme

[ancient sonnet]

if a mage casts poly i should be allowed to step kick him

then he just warps at 0.1s left on cast

and im left turbocucked

[keen spruce]

I mean arcane doesn't have mana shield unless they want to go OOM from 2 auto attacks from a hunter pet though

[ancient sonnet]

if you train a lock he still does dps

but mages do 0 damage if you train em

also belf dispelling AP or IV

makes you feel like a god

[keen spruce]

Frost still does frost things I suppose

What's the primary mage spec in high RMP now?

frosticles still?

[ancient sonnet]

i think arcane

at least thats what big z plays

but he always has

[keen spruce]

The mana shield nerf was so brutal

[ancient sonnet]

4 blinks and an execute tho

[keen spruce]

we were play the day of the hotfix before we read about it

and my mage literally went oom in like 3 seconds from a hunter pet

[ancient sonnet]

i love the nerfs to bm

[keen spruce]

yeah very needed

I fucking hate trying to resteath with a fucking turkey chasing me

[ancient sonnet]

best part is they can just randomly out you

[keen spruce]

yeah, at least they fixed warlock pets

[ancient sonnet]

blizz pet ai can get rogues out of stealth but it cant actually hit a stationary boss

[keen spruce]

that literally would just make vanish insta break if they were anywhere in you BG

your*

instead of banning all of those botters they should have just hired them to code pets

[ancient sonnet]

lul

yikes its a 12 dps upgrade to run exsg

legion prepatch with 300% tick time

never had so much fun in my life

ok so how do i get 14k sims?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nukiR4xvjFqCDReVoi4Fdn

[royal lantern]

step1: get good weapons step2: get 2x SS

[ancient sonnet]

step 2 is overacheived

i have 3

guess i need to pray on mother now

[chrome cave]

got my 3rd SS trait

[ancient sonnet]

wish i had 3ss and 3op

but sadly only 3heed

[chrome cave]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/afMNFyxqf5PktYwhRPHi9H

[ancient sonnet]

man i cant wait to just stack thunderous/laser like everyone else

[chrome cave]

😤

[ancient sonnet]

already had my deadshot killed to the point i can no longer play the spec

just nerf deadshot and dont do the 5% blanket nerf

problem solved

[dusky fulcrum]

not sure if i should be happy

[ancient sonnet]

think sin will fly under the radar tho cause sub is so nutty in mythic

[cunning pebble]

Sin is the nutty one in M+ atm 😄

[ancient sonnet]

not m+

[slender smelt]

Hey is it optimal to have 3 garrote azerite traits? Just started sin today

[ancient sonnet]

mythic raid

[cunning pebble]

Ahh, mb

[ancient sonnet]

making em all bleed

for lots

[chrome cave]

garrote 3 rupture 4

[dense cedar]

is SS still bugged?

[chrome cave]

yes

I think

[dense cedar]

qq

[zenith wharf]

They didnt do anything to shrouded suffication today right, felt different in my run just now, just coincidence or rng?

[dusky fulcrum]

i swear to god if my 380 bracer sims worse than my 340 i will cry

crit/Vers, my old is 340 crit/haste with socket

ye but the socket is 40 agil

161 vs 176

[chrome temple]

i made the 370 leggings yesterday 😄 mastery/versatility 😢

[lilac fern]

370 Headpiece from Mythic chest with SS, RNGesus has blessed my corrupted soul.

[dusky fulcrum]

verdict has landed, new bracers sim 52 dps higher

[high siren]

what an upgrade

[dusky fulcrum]

yeboii 52 dps upgrade after crying in +9-10's for days

atleast now i get actually good drops when i run +10's

[lilac fern]

If I dont get a weapon this week either I will tilt

Still running with 340 offhand

[ancient sonnet]

join the tilt club

its fun

[royal lantern]

spam m+ mate

[lilac fern]

I did 57 m+ dungeons last week

[ancient sonnet]

57 dungeons for 355 loot

yikes

[royal lantern]

spamm some more

[lilac fern]

I will.

[ancient sonnet]

actually gotta try this week tho

rip

[royal lantern]

i did around 40 too man, gotta learn all the new tricks for m+

[ancient sonnet]

press shroud when my squadron commander tells me to

stab stuff

neato

my raid leader is also my tank for m+ so he just has all of the strats and he tells us what to do

its a good life

[dusky fulcrum]

what's generally best for gloves assuming same secondary stats? 370 or 355 with socket?

[strange python]

how do you paly with exsan mid fight

just reapply bleeds before using it

[dusky fulcrum]

its gonna be a secondary, im trying to decide what gloves to buy on ah 😛

[slender smelt]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.