assassination

[stuck shuttle]

no more snapshotting

[fading socket]

@safe matrix just noticed the talent part mentioning either exsang or toxic blades ^^ my bad there

[severe hemlock]

if it wont cost you a cast it will be worth saving vendetta for vanish

[keen spruce]

@rancid current maybe he has the FoK trait

don't fan 2 mobs

[severe hemlock]

so you can fit an exsang'd garrote into vendetta

do you fok on 2 with the trait?

I have that trait atm

monkaS

oh wait

dmg is only on 3

pls ignore me

[robust light]

yeah but i meant more like do i want to have vendetta up for a full vanish'ed garrote (most of it) or is it the same to just vanish - garrote at the end of vendetta and it deal same damage

[severe hemlock]

snapshotting doesn't exist anymore

it'll update the dmg dynamically

[stuck shuttle]

@robust light you want to vanish garrote with vendetta running

[charred raptor]

Should I look to maintain EP at the cost of clipping Envenom?

[stuck shuttle]

ideally you vendetta, vanish, double garrote, exsang

[junior aurora]

what is the aoe rotation? just dot everything?

[robust light]

so aslong as vendetta is running when i apply the vanish garrote, it will do max damage even when vendetta expires?

[severe hemlock]

no

[keen spruce]

3+ you're opening with G G G

rupture

[robust light]

thats what im asking then 😛 is it worth holding vendetta til vanish is fully off cd

[fading socket]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nD1qXRfJsJCvwonHthpTSj

[keen spruce]

then Fok and CT

then Fok and spread ruptures

[junior aurora]

so take CT instead of poison bomb

[keen spruce]

keeping CT up

[safe matrix]

@keen egret SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE

I'd recommend reading that

[fading socket]

so is it worth going exsang for 200dps?

[keen spruce]

CT maybe for 5+ I can't remember

[safe matrix]

just to develop a baseline knowlede of the spec

[stuck shuttle]

@robust light yes you hold

[keen spruce]

I'm running it in mythic +

[severe hemlock]

@robust light it's worth holding vanish until you can fit a full garrote into vendetta

[safe matrix]

chances are most of your questions are answered in that guide

[robust light]

@stuck shuttle thanks, thats all i needed 😃

[junior aurora]

yeah i think i might take it, i dont like not having an aoe finisher

[mortal warren]

If I got Galecallers Boon and I'm fighting f.e. vectis do i press it asap on pull or do I line that up with vendetta+exsang also if it comes off cd is it worth to delay exsang?

[severe hemlock]

@robust light fwiw though you don't need all 20s of vendetta for exsang'd garrote

[keen spruce]

hoz you gear is so primo for 352

[severe hemlock]

so you can vendetta first

[stuck shuttle]

u want to line up Galecaller's with Exsang @mortal warren

[keen egret]

i've checked the guides and have been following the discord closely, however im sitting at 345 ilevel but i cant break 7-9k dps on fights

[keen spruce]

Empty socket though...

and crit gems

[mortal warren]

So do I delay galecaller or exsang for that?

[fading socket]

crit gems from sub build xD

[severe hemlock]

@keen egret got poisons on? 😅

[fading socket]

and empty sock cause no time yet

[safe matrix]

if you post your logs I'm sure someone can go over them

[fading socket]

been spamming m+ today

[keen spruce]

you'd be in the 14k club with haste in there

[severe hemlock]

otherwise post logs

[fading socket]

i miss a 40 agi gem aswell

[stuck shuttle]

i would imagine you galecaller's right before exsang

but after vendetta

[severe hemlock]

I'm not really sure how much I should value haste for M+

[fading socket]

replaced my ring with it

[severe hemlock]

not too highly

[stuck shuttle]

@mortal warren

[keen egret]

haha yep, i think my haste might be too low, i have only 8.13%

[keen spruce]

how'd you get so many fucking sockets

[cloud yew]

is exsang sin better than poison sin currently?

[keen spruce]

you're simming higher than me and I'm 360

[fading socket]

haha well instead of titanforge i get socket xD

[keen spruce]

I have one titanforge

[safe matrix]

galecallers before exsang cause exsangs snapshots with the haste

[stuck shuttle]

@mortal warren exsang snapshots your current haste

[dusty crow]

you guys gearing for patchwork or what?

[keen spruce]

I am

cuz i'm lazy

[hollow stone]

Anyone get some sexy stuffs from their weekly chests?

[severe hemlock]

gearing for patchwerk 4 mobs 20s 👍 s

[junior aurora]

370 ss chest

[severe hemlock]

wow erevis

[stuck shuttle]

someone in here got a 385 Galecallers

[severe hemlock]

gz

[hollow stone]

Oh baby

[stuck shuttle]

with a socket

[junior aurora]

its why i went sin lmao

[keen spruce]

385 Azerite chest

[severe hemlock]

SS tho?

[keen spruce]

no SS

[severe hemlock]

@keen spruce

oh

[junior aurora]

i said fuck grinding for another deadshot trait

[hollow stone]

Whooop whooop

[severe hemlock]

well time to reroll

[keen spruce]

Rezan's though

[junior aurora]

i might as well learn sin bc i have 2 ss piecse

[keen spruce]

so still descent

[dusty crow]

i have 370 SS chest from raid 😃

[mortal warren]

ok thats what I thought tbh, but wasnt sure. So the questions still stands exsang is 45 and galecaller 1min, do I delay exsang for 15 secs or galecaller for ~30 secs

[keen spruce]

I got like 6 drops from raiding

but no azerite

[cedar anchor]

when i do exsanguine, i dont want to refresh the dots before they fall of, or do i want to do it ?

[keen spruce]

I also crafted 370 pants then got 365 pants + socket from PvP chest

[severe hemlock]

i wonder what the dps difference between a 300ilvl SS chest and a 360 SS chest is on 4 targets

[keen spruce]

[severe hemlock]

prolly not much

[keen spruce]

so mostly good, but kind of a nipple twister

Archnomad i have the technology for that standby

[severe niche]

https://gyazo.com/f59e19efef76903a51c374738b738ee2 heroic cache from weekly op POGGERS

[dusty crow]

you apply garrote, then max rupture, then exsang right?

[hollow stone]

I got 390 crit heavy/haste bracers WITH LEECH from pvp chest. And obviously worse bracers from m+ chest. Still happy 😁

[severe hemlock]

i mean i have a 300 chest on with SS on it

can't replace it

[keen spruce]

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=azerite_traits&fight_style=hecticaddcleave&type=itemlevel&tier=3

[severe hemlock]

all my 350 chests and shit lose to it

[keen spruce]

this is "hectic add cleave" so I dont' know what that means exactly

but full cleave mode SS goes down a little

[dusty crow]

dont sim hectic add cleave

[severe hemlock]

hectic add cleave =/= patchwerk 4 mobs 20s duration

[cedar anchor]

after i use exsang, do i want the bleeds to tick off their full duration, or can i refresh due to pandemic?

[severe hemlock]

:D

[dusty crow]

use patchwork x2 etc

[strange python]

@cedar anchor let them fall off

[severe hemlock]

you want patchwerk 4 mobs 20s duration no BL

[cedar anchor]

thanks

[severe hemlock]

and only the raidbuffs in your m+ group

roughly

[keen spruce]

I don't gear for HaC

Just saw it on there

[stuck shuttle]

@mortal warren delay xsang for your 2nd rotation of it to line up with galecallers

[severe hemlock]

depends a bit on the dungeon. Like shrine / atal and shit you prolly want sub? or atl it's hard to sim sub cause you're abusing the little mobs to tunnel damage into colossus and stuff

[keen spruce]

I mean for ST my rezan's fury 385 beats everything at 340

[severe hemlock]

anyway

Simming m+ is hard!

[keen spruce]

and I think basically everything at 355

[mortal warren]

@stuck shuttle tyvm!

[stuck shuttle]

@mortal warren 3rd rotation around will be tricky

[junior aurora]

sim light movement probably

[hollow stone]

Rezan's isnt an awful trait. Gratz shmoops

[keen spruce]

actually a 385 Rezan's is still better than a 370 SS

[severe hemlock]

and i'm pretty sure a 300 ilvl with SS isn't beatable for dmg for m+ D:

[keen spruce]

Agi op

[severe hemlock]

wait what

[keen spruce]

unless it's your last SS triat

[severe hemlock]

for 4 target patchwerk 20s duration?

[keen spruce]

no ST

[severe hemlock]

oh ye sure

i mean for m+ trash

[keen spruce]

I was rewinding the converstation a bit

[severe hemlock]

Yeah my b

tfw like 6 people are talking across each other :D

basically i have a 300 SS chest and I can't replace it pls send help

[cloud yew]

what are the talents for exsang sin?

[severe hemlock]

2211233

[severe niche]

almost 15k bois ! https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ne3LkcCkVKT95kqEsR99DF

[severe hemlock]

last 3 is a 1 if you are ST

[keen spruce]

No leeching Archnomad

[severe hemlock]

oh woops

i'm doing WQs

[keen spruce]

We're rogues, we cheat death

so we can ignore mechanics

[severe hemlock]

:D

[strange python]

Damn Foxy

Nice

[severe niche]

ye if i get another weapon ez 15k

[nocturne cradle]

that feeling when you've been farming SS shoulders but you have the bis ones in your bank

[keen spruce]

Foxy you're simming 1000 dps ahead of me

[severe hemlock]

Btw were you guys aware that a turtle made it to the water?

[keen spruce]

at the same ilvl

[cloud yew]

so vigor>ds

[severe niche]

my gear is shit

[robust light]

whats the minimum duration we can exsang of rupture and agrrote?

[severe niche]

but my traits and trinkets are god

[keen spruce]

not as shit as mine apparently

[severe niche]

i legit have 0 haste on my gear

feelsso bad tbh

[keen spruce]

@cloud yew yes

yeah by traits are butts

945 galecallers

• fathoms is okay

[severe niche]

i have 370 lazer matrix, 340 ss, 370 ss and 355 fathoms and galecallers

[keen spruce]

my friend has a +9 shrine

so we're gonna grind that key

[severe niche]

17.59% haste

[stuck shuttle]

thats a really optimized setup @severe niche

[severe niche]

haste still my best stat

[stuck shuttle]

looking good

[severe niche]

more than agi

[keen spruce]

probably miss time on purpose a few times fishing for galecallers

[stuck shuttle]

yeah exsang will do that

[keen spruce]

as soon as you swap to exang it bumps up

[silk ledge]

anyone have a decent mythic+ assa talent build?

[keen spruce]

I miss Crit mastery poison builds

[bleak river]

On big pulls of like 5+ mobs do you even bother to garrote outside of initial stealth and maybe vanish one or is keeping rupture and tempest beyyer?

[keen spruce]

yes?

[severe hemlock]

iron wire

[keen spruce]

for m+

[severe hemlock]

it's op op

[stuck shuttle]

iron wire is god

[keen spruce]

They have similar utility

[stuck shuttle]

for M+

[keen spruce]

oh maybe not

with SS

[severe hemlock]

nah

it's iron wire

[keen spruce]

[severe hemlock]

100%

[slim sand]

Iron Wire is best for sure

[hollow escarp]

Haste has more than main stat 😮

[keen spruce]

subterfuge SS ur probbaly right

[plain spruce]

With exsang do you reapply rup and garrote before regardless of duration or just use exang on cd?

[split comet]

Can someone explain to me how the stealthed garrote trait (Shrouded Shadows) sims so high on raid fights if it's only applied from stealth?

[keen spruce]

yes @plain spruce

[plain spruce]

vanish

[keen spruce]

within reason

[split comet]

That's 3 times a fight at most

[plain spruce]

its alot of dmg

[severe hemlock]

i have crit more than mainstat on aoe

[stuck shuttle]

@split comet vanish + subterfuge + EP + vendetta

[severe hemlock]

and haste is lowest

[keen spruce]

yeah but your Garrotes tics will crit for like 25k

[severe hemlock]

i'm so torn in how to gear

[split comet]

EP?

[severe hemlock]

sin with really low haste feels horrific

[keen spruce]

[stuck shuttle]

Elaborate planning

[split comet]

Ah

[stuck shuttle]

10% bonus dmg

keep full uptime during exsang

[bleak river]

Is there a major difference in dps going from 1 ss to 3 ss traits in m+?

[stuck shuttle]

yes

[severe hemlock]

ye p big

[stuck shuttle]

huge

[keen spruce]

It's just more the merrier

[severe hemlock]

not as big as 0>1

[keen spruce]

with SS

[stuck shuttle]

in M+ atleast

[split comet]

So exsanguinate > toxic blade if you have that trait?

[severe hemlock]

but it's big

[keen spruce]

@split comet it depends on your gear

[stuck shuttle]

depends on gear still

[keen spruce]

but generally yes after 355

[strange python]

I have 340+340+355 SS, I'm going to hate when non-SS pieces that are better drop 😦

[plain spruce]

i have 3 ss @split comet and tblade is better, sim yourself

[severe hemlock]

exsang is better in m+ too imo

[strange python]

Yeah exsang is great in m+

[keen spruce]

@strange python I'm not giving up my last one

idc if it's a 385

[strange python]

For prio targets and to make your big SS garrotes don't get wasted on things that die fast

[stuck shuttle]

@keen spruce i would never drop my last SS trait

the 3 CP is too good

its worth all the item lvls

[strange python]

Yeah that is the big one

But have 3 is so good

[severe hemlock]

should I coin normal mythic underrot? 🤔

[keen spruce]

I dropped for like a day while levelling

[severe hemlock]

300 SS chest doesn't feel good

[keen spruce]

and wanted to kermit

no archno

[strange python]

lol yeah no way

[keen spruce]

does underrot drop SS chest?

[severe hemlock]

ye

[keen spruce]

but how much other gear does it drop that you need?

[strange python]

Coin world boss chest 😂

Stand as One is so good right

[keen spruce]

like if you're coining a raid boss you're like 1/3 on loot if you roll loot

oh wait mythic 0

[faint plume]

When do you exsang again after the opener? I'm simming higher with exsang now so I'm new to it

[keen spruce]

still 1/3

[severe hemlock]

1/2

[stuck shuttle]

@faint plume its in the guide pinned up top

[keen spruce]

can you even coin m+?

[severe hemlock]

don't think so

[keen spruce]

I mean if you really need it

[stuck shuttle]

@faint plume SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE

[keen spruce]

cuz you're not gonna get one from m+

Only like what, one piece from the raid has SS

and you can't coin your cache

[stuck shuttle]

yeah only chest

in raid

running 2x 370 Raid pieces will be better than 3xSS with 340s on

but never replace all 3xSS

[keen spruce]

yes

the AGI is too strong

with that large of an ilvl upgrade

[stuck shuttle]

Laser Matrix isn't bad either

at high ilvl

[keen spruce]

LM sims well

top 5 trait right?

[stuck shuttle]

yeah definitely

[keen spruce]

better for add fights

[stuck shuttle]

one of the only good non-spec specific traits

[jagged kindle]

Are you guys sure about the AGI even if the traits are shit?

[stuck shuttle]

@jagged kindle not all will be viable

[jagged kindle]

I simmed a 385 aaginst a 340 shoulder (340 had SS) and it was a dps downgrade

[stuck shuttle]

but if the replacement trait is decent

[keen spruce]

but you did the worst

[stuck shuttle]

it should be fine

[primal violet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3pZf1jnC7gR2xkAM/#fight=last&type=damage-done

[jagged kindle]

I had a choice between Blood Rite and the Rupture that gives Agi

[faint plume]

So in the guide I see how to open with exsang but nothing after that. Does that mean I save exsang when cd's line up?

[stuck shuttle]

@jagged kindle is that your only SS trait

[jagged kindle]

no i have it on my chest as well

[stuck shuttle]

because the 1st SS trait is worth a lot

[jagged kindle]

I had 3xSS but I got a 370 helm from warfront with envenom trait

[stuck shuttle]

Blood rite isn't very good

[jagged kindle]

and it simmed higher

[stuck shuttle]

neither is the rupture one

that's probably why

[jagged kindle]

now I have 385 shoulders that a downgrade. across all specs. so choked.

[stuck shuttle]

yeah twisted blade is good

[keen spruce]

A 385 shouldn't be a downgrade over a 340

under almost any circumstances

unless it's your last SS

[jagged kindle]

Naw I have one more SS I simmed it and all

[keen spruce]

so much AGI

show me the carfax

[pastel vault]

I can choose between 970 Lazer matrix and 940 ss#3 , 970 wins

[stuck shuttle]

because laser matrix is actually good

[thick jacinth]

There's no way that's a downgrade lmfao

[keen spruce]

What was the traits on your shoulders? ugandan

[thick jacinth]

It would literally win from agi alone

[primal violet]

do you have otehr SS @pastel vault

[keen spruce]

@rancid current not as good as EP

[primal violet]

from my testing, u want minimal 2 SS

[feral imp]

on cleave do you garrote > rupture as many as possible or still double garrote things

[jagged kindle]

My old 340 had SS. My new 385 has Blood Rite or the Rupture one that gives AGI

I'm doing a simbots raid compare again right now

I was using my SimCraft on my own computer (latest build) maybe something went wrong

[soft wave]

side note: don't do +10 temple this week, first boss arcing dash hits for 100k. seems nearly unkillable

[jagged kindle]

but I hope I'm wrong.. was so depressing poening chest this morn

[primal violet]

@feral imp i use as much garrote as i can when i have stealth, subfterfuge or vanish

i dont care about wsting combo points, just give me that sweet sweet garrote

[thick jacinth]

Temple was nearly impossible on 10 last week

[jagged kindle]

We did +10 temple last week, just watch energy and save personal cooldowns for arcing dash.

[severe hemlock]

fwiw ugandan i'm specifically simming for m+ trash, which is 4 target patch with 20-40s duration

[keen spruce]

I'd be very surprised if that's right Ugandan

[thick jacinth]

3rd boss is the hard one.

[soft wave]

its now tyrannical though

[keen spruce]

but I don't know your gear

[thick jacinth]

I know

[severe hemlock]

which weights towards SS real hard

[jagged kindle]

Oh I'm simming from single target (for raids)

[thick jacinth]

Needs tuning badly.

[severe hemlock]

yeah exactly

ilvl more relevant then

[keen spruce]

yeah ST it seems super unlikely

[feral imp]

@primal violet so don't even rupture just spam garrote?

[keen spruce]

so much agility

[jagged kindle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4Hv2vacT2xv6r35tGRaNEZ

[primal violet]

@feral imp on multiple mobs, i spam garrote, if its a bos, i will garrote -> rupture -> garrote

because ill still have the 24 second dank garrote

but if there are 3 mobs, ill try garrote each of them over using a CP spender

[feral imp]

gotcha

tyvm

[jagged kindle]

Yeah... there's barely a difefrence going from 340 to 385

kill me

[keen spruce]

Why is everyone simming so high

[primal violet]

@feral imp i may or may not know what im talking about ravenholdt

[severe hemlock]

does it have any good traits for sub / OL?

[primal violet]

@feral imp https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3pZf1jnC7gR2xkAM/#fight=last&type=damage-done

[robust light]

Do i have to reapply full rupture/garrotes before i exsang every time? or is there like a minimum duration of them that exsang wont waste any

[pastel vault]

I have 2 ricin

[severe hemlock]

might not be a total writeoff

[feral imp]

nobody said you were wrong so I'll take it @primal violet

oh

nice parse bro

[primal violet]

it was 97% yesterday feelsbad

[jagged kindle]

I simmed all my specs. it's a downgrade for all of them

Actualyl storm of steel might work for outlaw.. but a miniscule increase most likely

[keen spruce]

168 agi

161*

i mean it's .2%

[craggy needle]

Is it worth delaying Exsang 15 seconds to line up with Galecaller's Boon trinket?

[keen spruce]

I'd just wear them

for pug groups lol

@craggy needle probably

2nd exang is flexible

[craggy needle]

I figured

[keen spruce]

and that haste

is super nice

[craggy needle]

is insane

[void raft]

Is ass comparable to outlaw in ukdir now ?

[primal violet]

i like it better

[keen spruce]

When did the hotfixes go live?

this morning or yesterday?

[late niche]

do I spam blindside on a boss below 30% hp and forget about mut?

[keen spruce]

you don't spam blindside

cuz you don't talent into blindside

[late niche]

Kappa

but.. what if

[keen spruce]

probably?

I'm just doing the rough math in my head

[soft island]

Why would u talent blindside if when you could use it you would use mut?

[late niche]

idk it's just a weird ability, slightly more damage than mut but much less cp

[soft island]

Less energy too

[keen spruce]

So Mute does like 53% AP and gives 2 CP
Blindside does 60% AP and gives 1 CP but costs 3/5 the energy

[soft island]

It's slightly more dmg for quite a bit less energy

[keen spruce]

but CPs are important

very important

[soft island]

It's still bad

[keen spruce]

you're using up a GCD for a 1 cp

when you could get 2

even with energy cost I think Mute is better

IF you're going to run blindside, you should still wait for procs

but don't run blindside

we're in narnia land with this conversation anyways

[soft island]

Mute with ep is definitely better. That's why blindside is shait

[visual mist]

You guys run MP?

[keen spruce]

no

EP

only EP

[visual mist]

I use mp

Lol

[keen spruce]

[soft island]

[keen spruce]

EP has almost 100% uptime

so a 30% poison buff has to be better than a flat 10% damage buff

for EP to be worth

which it's not gonna be

when we're running SS, Subterfuge, exanguinate

and stacking haste

[soft island]

Well poisons have percent uptime too, if u wanna go dat wae. Hehe

[crystal citrus]

So uh assassin the new best rogue spec?

[severe hemlock]

hmm

[crystal citrus]

Am I switching from outlaw?

[soft island]

I wouldn't say best. I like versatile

[keen spruce]

I mean sure so let's say EP has 90% up time

30% more poison damage has to be > 9% total damage

which is still isn't

because of the above conditions

[late niche]

patchwerk sims take execute phases in consideration right?

[strange python]

@late niche yes.

[soft island]

Noone said mp > ep. Just mp uptime > ep uptime

[lilac coral]

eyyyy an SS out of the box

[subtle tundra]

lucky ass

[keen spruce]

He said "I use MP"

[strange python]

@lilac coral what ilevel?

[visual mist]

Try swimming yourself with MP and toxic blade

[cold token]

will a 30 ilvl loss for ss be worth to get 3x ss ?

[lilac coral]

340 lmao

[subtle tundra]

ill fucking scream if i get 385 SS gear

[lilac coral]

i had zero prior

[strange python]

@cold token sim it

[keen spruce]

ahhhhh

cropping

[cold token]

whats the best options to chose to sim on raidbots ?

hectic cleave or pathwerk ?

[keen spruce]

patch

[crystal citrus]

warcraft log has assassin as the best spec now, is that true?

[true ingot]

Probably, Khakis.

[soft island]

@keen spruce yep he did. Didn't say it's better tho. Kek

[cold token]

patch even if im mainly doing m+ ?

[soft island]

For m+ you can go whatever.

Assa still godlike in m plus with CT

[keen spruce]

you got me there

[soft island]

Victory

[keen spruce]

does MP buff toxic blades initial damage?

[soft island]

It's poison so I believe so

Well. Would have to check in wlogs to be sure

[vital dew]

Is ct in low keys any good?

[keen spruce]

MP buffs poisons

but it just says nature damage

[soft island]

Ofc it is. It's just better in higher keys. I am going outlaw till 5.above I switch to asda

[keen spruce]

scaling off AP

[visual mist]

Screenshot (12 sep. 2018 01:11:02)

[gentle belfry]

Is CT always to be taken for high keys?

[soft island]

Assa

[visual mist]

Look at talents

[keen spruce]

are you stacking mastery?

[soft island]

Why just don't link whole sim

[keen spruce]

cuz I was doing like 12.1k at 339

and you're doing 10.4k at 341

SHOW ME ALL OF THE CARFAX

[soft island]

Screenshot master race!

[visual mist]

I'll do a normal sim

Sec

[soft island]

So 2 Sims. Same gear just switch mp and ep.

[calm grail]

So for the SS bug with applying more than 3, how do you avoid losing damage? Just wait until the initial jacked up garrotes are done?

[soft island]

Yes

3 gar out of stealth on aoe opener, CT few rup and w8

[visual mist]

No also switched exang and tb

[soft island]

U don't have to

Keep tb

[visual mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/septuiY2W5Q6yihq6Qr8wd

[cerulean anchor]

seems like ass is the answer now eh

[severe niche]

overall for a kings rest 9 https://gyazo.com/ec343d7858ac212cd38ae7077a408f22

warrior is 361

[cerulean anchor]

whats your ilvl

[severe niche]

360

gona do a 10 temple now

[cerulean anchor]

what talents are you running

[severe niche]

https://gyazo.com/d56d79c27fa554fa123202382ec87144

[cerulean anchor]

mmk

ty ty

[strange python]

King's Rest is very good for Sin though

[severe niche]

here is the break down https://gyazo.com/0a6d185d0e5b3ad35d94c41427155386

[strange python]

Not many huge pulls outside the ooze room

[severe niche]

poison bomb nd lazer matrix doing 3% each

is pretty nice

[keen spruce]

"my gear is bad merr merr merr"

[severe niche]

well 3%~ ish

[cerulean anchor]

which azerite traits? how many lazers?

[sand canyon]

@severe niche go ct

[severe niche]

1 lazer and 2 ss

[sand canyon]

gn guys

[severe niche]

nah ct shit bro

you have to think ok you are getting like 8% ct damage from the talent

[strange python]

lmao

[keen spruce]

CT on kings rest?

[strange python]

Garrote is so ridiculous

[vital dew]

how is lazer doing so much more for outlaw O.o

[keen spruce]

[severe niche]

but you get bomb plus the damage from more fan spam

and more ruptures

[strange python]

Also less to think about haha

[severe niche]

not ot mention its a dead talent on bosses

for tyranical

[visual mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5VYYGreuz52pLpAxbbfKLz

[severe niche]

ive done like 5 10 keys since reset

100% seems the wya to play dungeons this week

we gona try a 10 and 11 temple now see how it goes with 3rd boss

[strange python]

how much aste dou ve fox

[severe niche]

17.59%

[strange python]

fml

[severe niche]

haste and crit basically better than agi for me atm

https://gyazo.com/f053529915c7210d9f72a8375eef1610

i cant imigine the dps you would do with a 390 gale callers

[keen spruce]

oh

[severe niche]

you would actauly just pump so fucking hard

[keen spruce]

you're 367, downscaled

🖕

[severe niche]

im 360

[keen spruce]

[severe niche]

equipted

[keen spruce]

yeah

[severe niche]

367 just my bag lvl

[soft island]

Pb is like 3 percent on bosses max. I wouldn't call 8 percent dmg from CT dead talent. It's also not rng. For kings rest maybe. But in shrine would still pick CT 10/10

[severe niche]

8% on trsh*

on boss is prob less than pb

plus its 5 combo points you have to not spend on evenom

for uptime

so

[strange python]

how much crit and mast

[severe niche]

its a trade off you dont look at what you lose

which is pretty substaintal

[keen spruce]

"no haste on my gear mer mer mer" 18% haste

[severe niche]

i mean

look at my armory

legit havel ike 2 peices with haste

[keen spruce]

[severe niche]

outside of rings

[soft island]

@keen spruce u actually don't CT on single target lol

[keen spruce]

I know

[soft island]

Well it didn't seem so, soorrryyyy

[keen spruce]

wat?

There's like, one big pull in KR

maybe 2?

3?

[soft island]

Oh fck I wanted to at foxy

Rofl, mb

[keen spruce]

foxy you have more haste on your rings

than I do on all of my gear

[severe niche]

ye

[soft island]

Just the oozes I guess

[severe niche]

but my other gear is so bad optimized

[keen spruce]

[severe niche]

like 22-24 % haste

its the gucci spot

maby 24 would be to high idk yet

[keen spruce]

I'm having a hard time finding sympathy for you

[severe niche]

i mean

im not asking for it

lol

[keen spruce]

when I'm 360 and simming at 13.7%

[strange python]

idk if i will stick to sub or assa

[keen spruce]

[severe niche]

first mythic mother kill btw

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148613455379693568/489206438632095744/unknown.png

[delicate gull]

Do you guys think shrouded suffocation 370 shoulders would be BiS? I got a 370 pvp upgrade thing and i have the shoulders

[severe niche]

rogues have a spot bois

class stacking op

[orchid field]

any sharpened blades wa? pref one that pops up really big and calls me names

[crimson maple]

do we aim to have 100% uptime on CT on ST?

[placid elbow]

what are the current ideal trinkets right now?

[calm grail]

On Zek'Voz, you guys AOEing the little adds? Still using PB?

[marble hemlock]

you could use this one and just rewrite the trigger from inevitable demise to sharpened blades, and change the stack-thresholds @orchid field
https://wago.io/r1_MTs6vX

[keen spruce]

Hey I know the guy that made that

Impy from Black Harvest

uploaded it last week

or last weekend

recently

he has a crying frog that notifies you if you don't have a pet summoned

that says "where's your fren?"

[sand eagle]

So whats the best possible 3 azerite trait combo? 3x SS or?

[stuck shuttle]

yes

if you can get 3x 385 SS pieces

which would take some insane luck

[keen spruce]

you'd be swimmin in pussy

all the single ladies

will come to your house

100%

3xSS 385 the dream

[sand eagle]

Why is 3x SS so good? Are you getting 7 CP per garrote lol?

[stuck shuttle]

no the damage stacking is just so insane

with Subterfuge

for ST and for Dungeons

add the EP + vendetta buffs on it

[lyric pond]

so i just got my 3 SS traits but still have a 330/310 dagger. rngesus hates me

[stuck shuttle]

and its just growing exponetially in damage and value

[primal violet]

its going to get nerfed 😦

[stuck shuttle]

shhh

we dont talk about that here

[primal violet]

i wish they would just buff the other traits

i really want twist the knife to be good

[keen spruce]

no assa sucks, no nerfs incoming

no one listen to ricin

buff assa plz

[stuck shuttle]

sin blows

buff SS

[keen spruce]

garbage spec

[stone pilot]

think the trinket off fetid is gonna get buffed? feelsbadman that a 370 gets crushed by fathoms

[primal violet]

yah assa is terrible, ur right

[keen spruce]

rerolling enh sham

[stuck shuttle]

@stone pilot i think all the raid trinkets will be tuned

maybe in the next couple weeks

[keen spruce]

Waffile I've got one in the bags too

[stuck shuttle]

they probably undertuned on purpose rather than overtuning them

[primal violet]

@stone pilot i have fetid and taloc trinket, and got some other garbage 370 trinket in my chest, i have 3 370 trinkets just sitting in my bag while i wear a 350 dice and 355 fathoms

[keen spruce]

it loses to my 345 galecallers

[rocky pumice]

Which rotation is better? The RH one or icy veins? Does anyone have sims for each?

[stuck shuttle]

Raidbots uses the RH one

I believe

[primal violet]

never listen to anything on icy veins

[stuck shuttle]

check the APL

[stone pilot]

im just rocking a 380 socketed galecallers and fathoms kinda sad to see the fetid trinket b so shit tho

[hollow gyro]

New to the new Assass with SS/Exsang. Is every re-application of garrote done as garrote-garrote or is one enough?

[primal violet]

icy veins is some basic bitch normie noob shit

[stuck shuttle]

the makers of the ravenholdt guide also help with the SimC APL

[primal violet]

380 galecallers.....

[stuck shuttle]

@hollow gyro you only double garrote for SS buffed garrotes

[rocky pumice]

Thanks. Getting mixed results from different people.

[primal violet]

fuck you @stone pilot

[hollow gyro]

That makes sense, thx

[stuck shuttle]

outside of subterfuge, you only garrote to pandemic

in subterfuge, you garrote as much as you can (max 3)

thats right, @stone pilot got the 385 Galecallers with socket

banned from channel

[severe relic]

3 is overkill for max time imo, 2 then rupture/envenom

well depends between opener and vanish rebuff

[stuck shuttle]

on AoE packs, you spam all 3 for sure

[severe relic]

well yeah

[stuck shuttle]

opener, you only get 2

same for vanish

[keen spruce]

@stone pilot MUST BE HARD WITH YOUR 380 GALECALLERS + SOCKET

[stuck shuttle]

lol

[keen spruce]

WHAT A ROUGH LIFE THAT YOU CAN'T USE YOUR 370 TRINKET

[stuck shuttle]

MUST BE HARD

[keen spruce]

YOU SHOULD PROBABLY JUST UNINSTALL

[stuck shuttle]

DOING SO MUCH DPS

[keen spruce]

WOW SUCH BAD RNG

[stone pilot]

hey man i just want raid trinkets not to suck lol

[autumn bloom]

does the sim use galecallers to snapshot with exsang

[dusty crow]

dots snapshot?

[orchid field]

i didnt think dots snapshotted anymore

except like...feral

[dusty crow]

im pretty sure they dont

[drowsy crag]

hey no one's answered me in the other channel so I'll just ask it here real quick; anyone know if hunters have a discord?

[orchid field]

but maybe that was just a dream

or a nightmare?

[mellow pier]

r1 fetid

pog

[dusty crow]

google it Nikklaus

[orchid field]

hunter def have a discord and its a good one too - was a hunter in Legion

[gloomy needle]

is exsang or toxic blade the way to go right now?

[rocky pumice]

TB

[gloomy needle]

thanks

[drowsy crag]

found it, thanks.

[mint osprey]

Def exsang

[gloomy needle]

really?

[mint osprey]

With SS yes

[gloomy needle]

Ive got 2 pieces with shrouded suffocation, thats better with exsang then?

[night cypress]

i'm the same and exang is still only a little higher

so tb is fine if you're more comfortable with it

speaking of, anyone tried exang in pvp?

[ocean rain]

@gloomy needle sim yourself :)

ull find answer

[mint osprey]

I have Master Feeder

I got to 1800 with it

(2s)

I know literally everyone uses TB though

[gloomy needle]

@ocean rain will do boss

[plush summit]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[lusty narwhal]

Everyone switched over?

[mint osprey]

@night cypress Exsang is really nice for openers and restealths

with SS

I dunno I actually think it might have more burst than TB

with SS

but I only have 1 so Im probably better of TB

[sand eagle]

On average vigor/deeper strat/marked for death for raiding, which is best?

[cloud yew]

wait so garrote's stack

[gaunt isle]

how can shrouded suffocation be so good? you can only get out of stealth twice before having to wait for vanish CD? how can it sim so high on ST?

[civic palm]

This fucking channel... O _O"

[quartz depot]

big damage = good

if trait was small damage then = no good

[strange python]

i'm pretty new to rogue but i'm assuming besides the opener it turn vanish into a hefty dps cooldown

[mint osprey]

^^

[gaunt isle]

only? im suprised theres nothing more to it @strange python

compared to outlaw / subs insane traits

[mint osprey]

what do you mean only?

[dull cargo]

Especially if it's lined up with vendetta

[mint osprey]

Hovah

[gaunt isle]

well, its a 30k garrote for me on a dummy now with 2/3 (no ven) compared to outlaw that can gunshot on like 15-20 sec cd for 25k no crit

[mint osprey]

What are these "insane traits"

you speak of

[sweet rampart]

Do we use exsang on cooldown outside of vendetta? There are small things like using garotte in Subterfuge that aren’t easy to find lol.

[gaunt isle]

even after deadshot nerfs its still way more impactful than this, imo

[mint osprey]

No...

[lusty narwhal]

Lul

[mint osprey]

Deadshot 3x is 1700dps

Shrouded Suffocation 3x is 2400 dps

your 'opinion' doesn't really matter, it's simple math

[lusty narwhal]

👀

[night cypress]

are you using garrote from stealth? lol

[strange python]

well you're also comparing apples to oranges, you're comparing outlaw traits to sin traits, better to look at the bigger picture

[gaunt isle]

im not argueing the numbers, i just said i couldnt believe it was that impactful. @mint osprey

[lusty narwhal]

Think of it like legion mantle

[gaunt isle]

Since i havent touched sin since legion

[lusty narwhal]

Sounded shit because it made vanish a cd

But it was bis the whole way through

[jovial kite]

vanish always was a cd

so that analogy sucks

[gaunt isle]

Yeah i get it, maybe im not statted right or something , if you pop ven and use garrote from stealth how much does that cast deal for you? @lusty narwhal

[lusty narwhal]

It was an example @jovial kite mr negative

Lmao

[primal violet]

@mint osprey are u the smooches from swtor beta/launch?

[mint osprey]

Yes

Who dis

[primal violet]

you played w/ ngyghoma and some of those other guys

i forget their names but i recognized yours

i went by somniferous

[mint osprey]

Oh that rings a bell

Man that game was so fun

[primal violet]

u were an imperail agenta operative

[cloud yew]

why do you spam 3 garrotes out of vanish

[primal violet]

the beta and launch was a lot of fun

[cloud yew]

can someone enlighten me

[gaunt isle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/D34mvchrxw6yfZH2#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=25 checking logs like this his garrote is the top damage dealer, like what? @lusty narwhal

[lusty narwhal]

You dont

Unless its multi targ

[mint osprey]

^^

[cloud yew]

makes sense

[gaunt isle]

i have 356 for reference

only 9% was to adds

[mint osprey]

@gaunt isle I'm not sure why you are having such a hard time grasping this

[gaunt isle]

is it a large difference between 2/3 traits and 3/3?

[lusty narwhal]

@gaunt isle subterfuge stack with trait

Yeah damage stacks

[gaunt isle]

oh yeah multiplicative dmg

so its probably way more

[hasty crater]

Why do we garrote twice btw according to guide atleast in the opener ? ( garrote --> rupture --> garrote )

[mint osprey]

Pandemic @hasty crater

[lusty narwhal]

I got a 370 azerite piece without any ‘bis’ traits, highest i got was laser matrix but still gave me 500dps alone on sim

[mint osprey]

I just got 370 laser matrix as well

[sweet rampart]

When are you guys using exsang? On cooldown?

[mint osprey]

Yes for the most part

then save 3rd or 4th for vanish/vendetta

[gaunt isle]

none of the top logs use exang, why would you use it? or like most of them dont at least (small minority do)

[sweet rampart]

I sim higher?

[north terrace]

Because it sims higher now lol

[kind roost]

can anyone post that chart that shows the openers based on spec and traits

[jovial kite]

none of the top logs are public

[lusty narwhal]

Its reset day, youll see more soon

[mint osprey]

@gaunt isle wrong again

[jovial kite]

https://gyazo.com/946ae7fb7f106b0978db60b493bff764

i got like 8 so far

[gaunt isle]

im just looking at the logs mate @mint osprey

[jovial kite]

ur clueless

🤷

[sweet rampart]

And just so i know. I should only be double garroting when i have vanish and vendetta back up right?

[jovial kite]

tato you only doublegarrote on pull

[dire gazelle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[jovial kite]

you can overwrite a midblock vanish garrote

only once

if you refresh on pandemic

[north terrace]

@gaunt isle https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/19#difficulty=4&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination&combatantinfo=Talents&dataset=90

90th percentile in heroic it's the top talent

Across all bosses lol

[severe niche]

11 templt might just be impossible idk bois

temple*

[sweet rampart]

Ohhhh ok. So when vanush vend come back up. I pretty much just pop vend, and vanish garrote and then build to a rupture? Otherwise i continue on just keeping the dots up like normal?

[mint osprey]

@gaunt isle you obviously have some aversion to exsang

[lusty narwhal]

Temple is aids this week

[gaunt isle]

oh im a dog, i just checked US today logs for taloc, didnt look at all the bosses @north terrace

[jovial kite]

i think hes trolling

[mint osprey]

So dumb he's trolling

fair

[jovial kite]

🤷

[north terrace]

he must be trolling because https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/19#difficulty=4&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination&combatantinfo=Talents&dataset=90&sample=1&boss=2144 goes directly against what he just said lol

Logs from US, today, Taloc only, exs top talent

[lusty narwhal]

Dunno how we’ll be able to trait stack up with all 370+ azerite raid pieces, not enough there. Stuck with 340’s? 🤔

[gaunt isle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/19#difficulty=4&region=1&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination

nope

look at taloc

2/10 use it

rest use TB

[north terrace]

Dude, quit looking at rankings

Honestly top 10 are all lucky/fluffed up anyways

[gaunt isle]

mate, i just said what i looked at lol, im not arguing whats best

i clearly dont since im new to the spec

[strange python]

if you used exsang. do you let the garrote and rupte run out before reapplying ? or normal cycle ?

[sand eagle]

So if i've got no SS it would make sense that TB is a fair bit better than exang? At how many SS traits does exang outshine TB??

[jovial kite]

@strange python let it run out

[daring imp]

the feeling of pain ( not mine btw lul )

[strange python]

thanks 😃

[warped oyster]

did they raise the M+ base ilvl cap ? or is it still farming 5s?

[urban storm]

which is 40k atm?

23?

[wary pawn]

I can't hang as Sub against Assassins, but I sim alot less as assassin F me

[acoustic flame]

It's 370 from +10 now @warped oyster

Unless something was fucked

[true aurora]

Just got a 370 helm, and it was only a 45 dps increase from my 355 helm 😦

[lusty narwhal]

Bad trait?

[true aurora]

Yeah... was sad

[lusty narwhal]

I had a 500dps increase from my 340 to 370

[daring imp]

@urban storm isle expedition

[true aurora]

Archive of the titans

[urban storm]

oh right that is the island thign lol

i mean

[molten oriole]

Is there a reason to do 2x Quick Navigation??

[urban storm]

no

[lusty narwhal]

Fun times of farming for SS trait now

Mythic 0s only

What a meme

There should be more options to farm it

[nimble tartan]

i thought we could double garrote vanish not on the opener too 😮

me brain smol

[sweet rampart]

yeah seems like outside of vanish garrote, it is very simple and just keep dots up lol

don't overlap if you exsang

if i am understanding everything correctly

[tough whale]

@molten oriole no. You do not double down on enchants

[steep reef]

@marble elm can you clarify for me best talents for mysitcal veknoz??!

[keen spruce]

I'm remembering why I don't hang out in spec discords any more

5 hours of the same 3 questions

[tough whale]

Every class discord ever

[keen spruce]

This is why I stay in Black Harvest OT chat

[tough whale]

I used to hang out all day on the spriest discord for legion. Was a shit show

[undone cairn]

do you guys think its worth it to reroll world boss loot?

[keen spruce]

depends on what the boss drops

[tough whale]

Not if you ever enter heroic

[keen spruce]

[jovial kite]

only thing id roll for is weapons

[undone cairn]

355 ss head

[lilac coral]

there's a SS hat there

[keen spruce]

No then

go kill heroics

oh if it has SS then maybe

[undone cairn]

wdym

[desert pelican]

Wanna started new cd with assa -_- sub too nerfed

[keen spruce]

Heroic Raid bosses

[undone cairn]

raid only gives chest

ss

[keen spruce]

drop 370

[tough whale]

You want chest and shoulders from uldir

Reorigination 2 stronk

[undone cairn]

wait

[keen spruce]

Reorigination?

[undone cairn]

is there a way to sim a 355 ss and some 370 trait

[desert pelican]

Praise for 370 azerite for sub with pvp/pve chests next day

.for assa*

[tough whale]

Shoulders dont have ss but matrix is VERY strong atm

[keen spruce]

Raidbots.com/gearcompare

or something like that

[tough whale]

At least 1*

[keen spruce]

Lasers are good

[silver egret]

the shoulders have archive

[desert pelican]

Pvp cjeat can contain ss ttait?

[silver egret]

the head has laser

chest has SS

[tough whale]

Sorry archive is still good**

[silver egret]

archive is meh

[tough whale]

Archive 370 sims better than ss 340

[keen spruce]

if you can get Laser hat, 370 SS Chest, and even 340 SS shoulders you'd be in good shape

[tough whale]

Pepo thumbs OP

[silver egret]

or 385 freehold shoulders from chest

but GL with that lol

[tough whale]

Our druid got 385 ss helm and scrapped it

[keen spruce]

[steep reef]

@nimble tartan mystical raid are you outlaw sin or sub I️ see you all three spec n role a lot here

[undone cairn]

fuck it

i'll just save rerolls for daggers

[tough whale]

:))) I got a 0.1% ring upgrade cause no socket

[lofty valley]

wait.. can someone eli5 aoe rotation?? its x3 garrote then ruptures , the just fok en?

[lusty narwhal]

How the fk did laser matrix give me a 500 dps increase over 2x sharpened blades

🤔

[tough whale]

Cause laser matrix is strong and sharpened blades is ok

[ocean rain]

laser is big man

[silver egret]

laser matrix is great

[chilly marsh]

enxang stats priority is the same as poison ?

[tough whale]

Sim yo self

[silver egret]

1.8 stat weight on haste and 150 on origination array

hoo boy

[lusty narwhal]

Seems to be strong, was just looking at stack weighhts

[tough whale]

My haste is over 2 🔫

[ocean rain]

how tf is ur haste over 2

[silver egret]

my haste was over 2 at one point

[lusty narwhal]

Lmao

[ocean rain]

@tough whale whats ur base haste?

[unreal bear]

it's hard out here for ya boi. all these WQs, conquest giving fist and axes

fml

[keen spruce]

US alliance

has been getting the big dick

in the butt

for daggers

[unreal bear]

i'm 350 in every slot cept weapons.

[tough whale]

It dropped down from 2 when I put on my new ring. Cruising at 16% base (998) and haste is 1.89

[keen spruce]

Emissary Fist reward, Dungeon WQ Sword, Dungeon WQ Fist

[hexed fog]

Word, I had to buy 350 dagger off AH.

[urban storm]

you couldve done conquest

[unreal bear]

conquest is axe

[tough whale]

^

[urban storm]

as i did, and get a 345

[tough whale]

No

[urban storm]

no you got to pick

[unreal bear]

EXCUSE ME?

[keen spruce]

I've seen ONE. ONE normal WQ dagger

[tough whale]

You got to pick

[keen spruce]

and it was 330

and that was last weekend

[unreal bear]

well fuck my butt

[urban storm]

yeah

[unreal bear]

i saw axe and didnt even bother

[tough whale]

I have 360 dagger 345 from rbgs last night

[urban storm]

i bought the 350 dagger and did conquest

promptly had 2 daggers drop in mythics

[keen spruce]

uhhh Chopsticks you pick

between axe and dagger

[tough whale]

Xd

[unreal bear]

my ui showed an axe, i didnt see a choice so i didnt even grind it

[keen spruce]

[tough whale]

Maybe it was spec based

And you never switched off

[unreal bear]

i've never been anything but sin

lol

oh well

[keen spruce]

naw some people saw axe

[tough whale]

F

[keen spruce]

some people saw dagger

on the panel

[unreal bear]

shitty system is shitty

[keen spruce]

F for your boy

[unreal bear]

i would have figured it out if i wasnt waiting for my 2s/3s friends to fucking get the game

[tough whale]

Azerite is a worse system for sure

[urban storm]

no meaningful way to get good azerite pieces

outside of luck

[tough whale]

1 chance each week :)))))

Fun game :)))

[keen spruce]

Raid

[urban storm]

plus raid

[tough whale]

m+ > raid

[ocean nebula]

short question? can we get the azerite pieces from dungeons higher then 340?

[unreal bear]

they can roll forged i think so yes?

[keen spruce]

how many azerite pieces drop in the whole raid?

[urban storm]

but like.......ppl arent going to be able to trade azerite pieces for a while due to the ilvl restriction

[keen spruce]

4:?

or 3?

[tough whale]

how many are upgrades*

[keen spruce]

2?

2 upgrades

I think

[tough whale]

and how many ar ebetter than m+ cache

maybe 1

[keen spruce]

and only if they're non LFR

[tough whale]

1 chance a week to get a ss dungeon peice

[keen spruce]

so you get 4 chances, 2 on normal, 2 on heroic

bad system is bad

[tough whale]

And none of them beat a +10 with ss

[severe niche]

azerite gear is gona get changedto drop from m+ 100% within the next 2 weeks

[keen spruce]

M+ cache is 385 azerite

[tough whale]

Like it wouldve been 10x easier to have azerite not drop from cache but drop in m+

[keen spruce]

+15

[tough whale]

Blizzard somehow made the leggo system worse

😃