assassination

[stuck shuttle]

my guild's normal fetid kill was 1:39

lol

[onyx wind]

simming 3min LOOOOOOOL

[safe matrix]

hecktix is just in an insanely good guild and has super low kill times outside of mythic

[strange python]

Is the world boss that wasn't up for horde last week up this week?

[final stone]

just keep track of how long your boss fights when you raid and such and you can get an idea how to talent

[onyx wind]

might aswell sim 20sec

[stuck shuttle]

@onyx wind it was to compare TB vs Exsang

on shorter fights

[hushed turtle]

Horde world boss will be avalible after the scenario duration ends and horde controls arathi

[stuck shuttle]

@safe matrix 😊

[sleek iron]

wow hectix

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jgPjN367U2GqKgPpZiySDR

for 3min fight

[safe matrix]

bruh your guild gets my respect so hard

[stuck shuttle]

lol

thanky ou

[safe matrix]

mizuxe was the guy who taught me how to play rogue in legion

[stuck shuttle]

we just 8/8H last night

hes a good dude

too bad hes a huntard now

😛

[safe matrix]

rip

[earnest hedge]

is warcraft logs uploader not working for anyone else?

[safe matrix]

atleast he isnt demon hunter

[stuck shuttle]

lol true

[safe matrix]

like he was for a little bit at the end of legion

mizubae or something

[stuck shuttle]

yeah

hes Mizooks now

[safe matrix]

[stuck shuttle]

Mythic this week should be fun

/s

looking forward to Zul /s

[urban berry]

should i be crimson tempest for m+ this week?

[safe matrix]

think you're getting so zul this week?

I'm just expecting fetid to go through some real shit and be the roadblock everyone deserves

[split veldt]

is fathoms really that low on the blood mallet sims?

[plain cairn]

was there a stealth nerf to assa today guyz ? i sim 200 dps less with 2-3 ilvl upgrade...

[safe matrix]

If you look by ilvl its comparable to a 380 trinket

[final stone]

@urban berry i would say if your tank /is pullling multiple grps i would go ct

[safe matrix]

@split veldt if you look by color of the bar, even at 355 ilvl it compares to 380 trinkets

[stuck shuttle]

@safe matrix nah realistically, probably 3/8

Vectis looks punishing af

[safe matrix]

you think mother is gonna let you pass unscathed?

[stuck shuttle]

oh we have a strat for her

[safe matrix]

You gotta learn the entirety of the mechanics of the third room

cause i assume you killed her in second room on heroic

[stuck shuttle]

yeah we did lol

that fight was a lot less crazy in game

that in videos

than*

[slender peak]

@earnest hedge what error are you getting I had issues last night hope i dont again tonight. But not sure cause I was live logging last night

[deft locust]

ye, felt that way for a lot of the fights actually

[stuck shuttle]

^

Vectis was the one that was suprising harder than it looked in vids though

I don't see how people are going to pug Heroic this tier

[deft locust]

I wonder if you can pull the cheese trat in Mythic with an extra healer

why you say that hecktix?

[stuck shuttle]

the last 4 bosses take too much coordination for a pug

imo

[solar summit]

hi guys, im kind of checking which talents i should use, ravenholdt says toxic blade in single target situations but sims say exsang

[stuck shuttle]

atleast for heroic

[deft locust]

I pugged the first 5 bosses the first week

🤔

in H

[tight ravine]

Exsanguinate or TB with 3x SS?

[deft locust]

I hear the last one is rough tho

[stuck shuttle]

im not saying its impossible

but its definitely going to be a lot harder

[deft locust]

fair enough

[stuck shuttle]

yeah ghuun on Heroic

I don't see how that is puggable

[safe matrix]

this tier seems almost unpuggable

[stuck shuttle]

especially p1 lol

and p3

[safe matrix]

a lot of mechanics people can mess up to ruin the whole group

[deft locust]

well

to be fair though

pugging has become almost 100% discord

[stuck shuttle]

true

[deft locust]

so coordination is a lot easier than before

[stuck shuttle]

but you will always have those who don't join disc

or don't call anything

[solar summit]

I have 2x SS and 1x SoB

farming third SS

[stuck shuttle]

again, not impossible but it'll definitely take a lot more effort

[deft locust]

I'm guildless this xpac when it comes to mythic raiding

[stuck shuttle]

=\

[deft locust]

we ended up pushing m+ instead

[thin ingot]

remember KJ?

pugging that was hell

[stuck shuttle]

Weren't you in a top guild

in Legion

[deft locust]

ye

but I split off with friends

now we're just gonna push high keys

[thin ingot]

i mean, even at the end of legion during the last few weeks i still joined some pugs that coudlnt kill heroic kj for the artifact recolor

[deft locust]

espec with raiding not offering anything signif as is compared to m+

[stuck shuttle]

^

[deft locust]

feels like raiding is just a one time dungeon

[stuck shuttle]

personal loot btw

[deft locust]

yeah..

gross

[stuck shuttle]

cant tell you how many high lvl M+s ive started

and u have people really high ilvl queing up

but then they do shit dps

[shadow token]

i pugged first 6 bosses heroic week 1

ez

[deft locust]

ye, that'll happen, can't escape it unfort.

pugging is rough

[shadow token]

m+ pug are worse than raid

[deft locust]

yeah

[shadow token]

raid.. you can be like nope and bounce

[deft locust]

in raids people only have to try in a boss fight, m+ you gotta try on every pack

the whole dungeon

wears people out

[stuck shuttle]

and u cant boot

lol

[onyx wind]

I just used 360 pvp token on a 350 warforged dagger

[stuck shuttle]

they hold you hostage

[kindred ruin]

so with the sub nerfs, is assassination higher dps now?

[shadow token]

we did a 10 last night and we had a 355 mage

[onyx wind]

IT DOESNT KEEEP WARFORGE

[shadow token]

and he was just so shit

[stuck shuttle]

@onyx wind what did you lose?

[onyx wind]

5 ilvl warforge

[shadow token]

he died to mechancis and we would be like please do mechanics and he would say "it's not the mechanics"

[onyx wind]

I wouldve used on another dagger if i knew

[stuck shuttle]

I upgraded my dagger and i kept my socket

[onyx wind]

rip

[deft locust]

we were running a +8 last week with a mage as well

we ended up kicking him

[tough whale]

Aspix and adderis on m10 is actually miserable

[deft locust]

and finishing it with 4

😮

[shadow token]

he would kill our healer on boss fights

we just stopped healing him and let him die

[deft locust]

I wonder what the business is for selling m10 clears is this xpac

[shadow token]

grats on your free 380 piece

[stuck shuttle]

@onyx wind https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/tichondrius/Hecktix

[deft locust]

I bet it's pretty hot

[stuck shuttle]

maybe it was a bug?

@onyx wind

[pulsar goblet]

It says upgrades to 360... Why would it warforge

[deft locust]

@stuck shuttle

you running TB or exsang atm?

[stuck shuttle]

well mine warforged

with socket

[shadow token]

i wish i would find one of those stupid pvp upgrades

[stuck shuttle]

I am using Exsang now

[shadow token]

so i could upgrade a dagger

[deft locust]

I've been back and forth, not sure what it is but my damage with TB feels better in long fights

[stuck shuttle]

yeah most definitely @deft locust

longer the fight, less value on Exsang

since you probably won't get a 3rd rotation of vanish+vend

[rocky pumice]

Not seeing rotations for sin rogues in pinned comments

[safe matrix]

SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE

SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE

[stuck shuttle]

its in there

[rocky pumice]

thank you

[tight ravine]

is it updated

[safe matrix]

yep

you can check at the bottom when it was last updated

[deft locust]

I guess I should drop my sub role, pretty much have tossed that class out

[safe matrix]

I wonder if exsang gets worse than tb if you have a window where you miss a cast

[stuck shuttle]

Red or dead @deft locust

[deft locust]

haha

NOW IM YELLOW

SHIT

[safe matrix]

fixed

[deft locust]

I use outlaw in pvp tho, this one is harder to get rid of

[kindred ruin]

o

[deft locust]

lmao

[iron basalt]

how does sin compare to other specs in regards to AOE and mythic+?

[safe matrix]

@thin ingot -> offtopic

[stuck shuttle]

sin is in a really good spot for M+ right now

[final stone]

sin is soo baaaaaad

[deft locust]

it's how you would imagine it, all 3 specs are pretty balanced actually Angrydead

[stuck shuttle]

but yes it sucks

[thin ingot]

dudeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[stuck shuttle]

tell everyone you know

[thin ingot]

i worked

really hard

making that meme

[safe matrix]

yeah and it can go in #off-topic

[iron basalt]

would you rank it last in AOE?

[deft locust]

Sub has massive aoe burst and decent sustain ST, outlaw is massive burst/sustain on large packs and decent ST, Sin is crazy dps on 2-5 packs and great burst ST

[final stone]

last in everything

[deft locust]

all of them bring their benefits to a group

[stuck shuttle]

last in everything lol

[deft locust]

o_o

Ah yeah, prolly should buff SS

[stuck shuttle]

yeah

SS needs a buff

[deft locust]

we need some cleave love

[stuck shuttle]

so shit rn

[thin ingot]

a discord without memes, this is the bottom of the pit

.

[nocturne gate]

after the 2nd vendetta how to line upe vendetta vansih and exang ?

[deft locust]

you wait

[stuck shuttle]

you have to delay Vendetta

it will come up ~10s sooner

than the other 2

[deft locust]

it's generally, Opener -> Exsang -> Exsang -> Wait with Ven and Exsang till vanish is off cd, then burn them all

[stuck shuttle]

exsang can be tricky depending on how you used your 2nd one

[zenith cedar]

if I have Sharpened Blades

Do i just use it at 30 stacks?

[stuck shuttle]

yes

[deft locust]

yes

[tough whale]

timed 2 +10 freeholds, walk into seth and get absolutley destroyed by the first boss

[stuck shuttle]

Poisoned knife is just a waste of energy

[deft locust]

I think you run TB with SB

never tried tho

[stuck shuttle]

@tough whale that first boss is a killer

[tough whale]

HE actually does way too much damage

[zenith cedar]

I have 1 shrouded and 1 sharp blades

[stuck shuttle]

but you can put out fat damage on that first boss

with 3xSS

[nocturne gate]

so i wait every 2min to repeat the opener ^^?

[deft locust]

We have a 9 Seth, we're avoiding it for now

[tough whale]

yeah i double garrote then pandemic garrote with shadowstep

so i have 3 running in my opener

[deft locust]

do you tab SS or set focus SS?

[stuck shuttle]

@nocturne gate no, on your 2:20 timing, you vanish + double garrote

not the same as opener

[tough whale]

i just tab, its only 2 bosses

[deft locust]

sometimes tab gets wonky for me

[stuck shuttle]

your bleeds should always be full pandemic before going into exsang @nocturne gate

[tough whale]

then you can focus it 😃

[deft locust]

Oh I don't, I was just curious if anyone else did

I just fail hard if it derps out

I have focus on tank so I can just Tott him forever and ever without thinking about it

#lazy

Btw

[tough whale]

haste 1.96 agi 1.7 LUL

[deft locust]

for whoever was asking about Sin in M+

Pugging as sin is cancer

[onyx wind]

Just leave if they chanpull

[deft locust]

the entire wow population outside of rogue thinks sin is both absolute trash, and does not respect your need for 0.1 seconds outside of combat

They just pull when monsters are 10% health and you internally rage

[delicate gull]

Can’t you still stealth as long as you weren’t too close too the pull

[viscid umbra]

it's especially fun when you have a 3 stack of shrouded suffocation and can't stealth ever :)))))))))))))))))))))))))

[deft locust]

sometimes

it's a bit finnicky

but often a tank will range pull

back to you

generally in pugs

[nocturne gate]

let i also fall off the exang rup or can i refreseh them ?

[stuck shuttle]

my DH tank for M+ always does this

[deft locust]

I run outlaw because it's just safer

[stuck shuttle]

just chain pulls

never lets me stealth

D:

that juicy SS damage

[deft locust]

I only run sin if I know the tank won't be a derp

[severe hemlock]

I have a 300 chest with SS that I still can't replace.

[deft locust]

Big pulls aren't even bad for sin

[severe hemlock]

Game pls.

:|

[deft locust]

just can't pull in the middle of combat to keep the combat going

@severe hemlock I was thinking 300 was 400 ilvl for some reason and I was like

how are you complaining about this

[severe hemlock]

wonder how many ilvls SS is actually worth for raidbots 4 mobs 20s pulltime

[deft locust]

if it's for multiple mobs

prolly all of the ilvls

👀

or at least till 370

[stuck shuttle]

3rd stack of SS

is worth a lot less than 1st stack

[severe hemlock]

Yeah but

this is 2nd stack

My head has it

[stuck shuttle]

I think as long as you have 1 stack

40ilvls should be worth

but sim it

I sim better in raid with 1xSS and 2x 370 azerite pieces

[deft locust]

hmm, maybe. I can't argue that. Don't have any pieces to compare

well

is that for ST?

[stuck shuttle]

yeah

[deft locust]

ye

that makes sense

[stuck shuttle]

i use 3xSS in M_

m+

[deft locust]

ss is far superior in m+

[stuck shuttle]

ST sims are inflated with Uldir azerite pieces cause of the armor buff

[strange python]

do you guys think assa will be equal to sub and outlaw after the nerf tmr ?

[spice surge]

No

[deft locust]

nerf was today wasn't it?

[spice surge]

better

[stuck shuttle]

all 3 will be very close really

[viscid umbra]

it was today for US

[deft locust]

or is the balance patch tomorrow

[stuck shuttle]

it was today

[deft locust]

oh

okay

[stuck shuttle]

EU is tomorrow

[deft locust]

@spice surge each one will still be good at what they were good at before

[viscid umbra]

my sims went down by about 500 dps for sub and stayed the same for sin

[deft locust]

the nerfs weren't enough to change anything drastically

[stuck shuttle]

well yeah sin didnt get touched

[deft locust]

sin is just more comparable in other fields now

[tropic rover]

outlaw got hit with the nerf and the 20% deadshot

[spice surge]

Well yes, but sin is best at most things

[deft locust]

are they?

[tropic rover]

definitely feel it in M+

[deft locust]

top logs in raids are all outlaw and sub

[spice surge]

Outlaw got some better cleave, but what else

[obtuse island]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[deft locust]

and top m+ use sub

well

a few sin

[stuck shuttle]

Sub and outlaw both have better target swapping

sin takes too much ramp up time

[deft locust]

For m10+ that's a big deal

those infested

it's enough to switch over just because of that

luckily we can cc them 😮

[stuck shuttle]

what sin does the best over the other 2 is scale

[safe matrix]

eh the shitty thing about sin in infested

is without vanish/SS your burst is meh

[stuck shuttle]

sin scales so well in late content

[deft locust]

ye

[safe matrix]

although you should have exsang

[deft locust]

@safe matrix

[stuck shuttle]

Infested is a big feelsbadman for sin

[safe matrix]

CC deal with the adds

[deft locust]

I thought sub outscaled us by huge steps in legion

[safe matrix]

still in combat

cant restealth

[spice surge]

Idk, i played with a warrior who just killed them the second they spawn

[deft locust]

I quit near the end

[safe matrix]

FeelsGoodMan

[deft locust]

so I can't say for sure

that's just what I heard

[safe matrix]

no

sin scaled harder than sub

[kindred ruin]

so exsang is always better than TB?

[deft locust]

ohhh

nice

but not in m+ Liavre right?

[safe matrix]

no, it depends on gear @kindred ruin

[deft locust]

I hear at mdi only sub was used

[safe matrix]

no

in m+

[kindred ruin]

thanks

[safe matrix]

seliathan was the #1 rogue as sin

[deft locust]

oh nice, good to hear

[safe matrix]

sub really fell off because cloak burst only got you so far 🤷

[stuck shuttle]

^

[deft locust]

well

[stuck shuttle]

and shoulders made sin scale even harder

[deft locust]

that's just another example

of how people think sin is trash

[mossy hazel]

God damn it, I quit...

[deft locust]

dunno why

[safe matrix]

burst damage doesnt scale well over long fights

[mossy hazel]

Got 360 warforged gloves from M+ chest, already had 370s, 2 more weapon WQs for a mace and an axe

[deft locust]

no I mean

[safe matrix]

especially not cloak

[stuck shuttle]

I love when people think sin is trash

[deft locust]

idk why people think sin is bad outside of rogues

[safe matrix]

because you couldnt stack it unless you hekd SStorm

[deft locust]

just the other day

someone in this discord was complaining people would deny him because he was sin

🤔

[shadow token]

wut

[stuck shuttle]

oh yeah most def

[deft locust]

ya

in fact, even in pug raids

[stuck shuttle]

I was in a M+ key and one of the DPS whispered me "why are you playing sin"

I was like "u wot m8"

[mossy hazel]

Wow

[deft locust]

I generally have to put "Will top your dps, don't hate on sin"

to get invited

D:

[little frigate]

happens all the time

[onyx wind]

I have never beeen declined to m+

[tiny vapor]

I want people to keep saying that Sin is trash so SS doesn't get nerfed and we can keep having fun

[stuck shuttle]

^^^

pls

[little frigate]

some dude even said "outlaw is the only viable m+ spec"

[deft locust]

o_o

LOL

[pliant nest]

hey what do you play as your lvl 100 talent in m+? crimson tempest?

[mossy hazel]

I'm always denied M+

[limpid willow]

5min pull
only 6 poison bombs

🤔

[stuck shuttle]

CT is good yes @pliant nest

[deft locust]

ouch

[safe matrix]

Whenever I get into groups I ask if they want sub or sin

[deft locust]

that's rough kawaii

[severe niche]

i need some daggers BabyRage https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rbXDy7nrZQE4S42Bih8Zx7

[pliant nest]

k thanks

[tiny vapor]

CT just did 8% of my overall while PB does like 2.5/3%

[deft locust]

don't forget tho groukh

you are expending CP

for that CT damage

[severe niche]

ye but on a 10 you want that boss damage

[deft locust]

so normally not worth in ST

[severe niche]

ct is shit st

[stuck shuttle]

yeah

its absolute dogshit in ST

[tiny vapor]

ST isn't designed for ST

So yeah

CT**

[severe niche]

also depends on comp too

[deft locust]

I wish CT was viable with exsang for ST

that'd be fun

[severe niche]

honestly affix

[onyx wind]

Ayy i got another pvp tokeen

[severe niche]

like trash just flops this week

[onyx wind]

Lucky boy

[severe niche]

literally a non issue

[mossy hazel]

I personally like maxing boss damage so I'm always pb

[onyx wind]

I hateee sanguine with a passion

[deft locust]

PB might not be bad this week for high keys if you have a really strong aoe team, like mage/DH

[mossy hazel]

What's the affix

[stuck shuttle]

Im just too lazy to swap to CT every M+

so I stay PB

[deft locust]

tyran/bursting/skittish

[mossy hazel]

Eww bursting

[deft locust]

better than sanguine

[mossy hazel]

Lol, fair

[deft locust]

anything is better than sanguine

D:

[stuck shuttle]

especially for melee

sanguine was aids

[potent forge]

Sanguine was not designed for these dungeons

And it affects the infested add spawns

[mossy hazel]

Yea, these dungeons are TIGHT in some places

[potent forge]

Literally cancer

[deft locust]

Prison anyone? o_o

[onyx wind]

Wait this is the dream affix

+15 gonna bee so easy

[deft locust]

Tol Dagor* rather

[stuck shuttle]

+10s should be easy this week

are affixes the same for EU?

[deft locust]

yeah, pushing high keys is gonna be nice this week

[stuck shuttle]

or do they get different affixes

[onyx wind]

Its the same

[deft locust]

last xpac they got diff ones

[onyx wind]

Really?

[deft locust]

is it the same now?

[stuck shuttle]

yeah thats why i asked

[onyx wind]

Idk actually

[stuck shuttle]

it was different before

[potent forge]

Skittish will suck without a rogue Hunter, tanks already lose agro I can hardly imagine now

[deft locust]

yeah...

[mossy hazel]

Yea I was actually thinkging that too

[deft locust]

even with those

Skittish will still turn

and smack a bitch

[onyx wind]

Nah

Theres no way they didnt tune it for the aggro changes

[stuck shuttle]

this is the same blizz who thought it was a good idea to make dungeon trinkets better than raid trinkets

so you never know

[deft locust]

dungeon gear better than raid gear*

[severe hemlock]

are the azerite traits on wq rewards random

?

[deft locust]

D:

[pulsar coral]

is exsang and hidden blade the m+ ass talents now?

[stuck shuttle]

no

Traits stay the same

on every piece of azerite gear

[spice surge]

Hidden blade is not good

You either take PB for few targets or CT for many targets

[deft locust]

how much haste do you run atm heck?

[stuck shuttle]

Im at 18%

with 20% crit

my gear is pretty well optimized right now

[deft locust]

that's around where I'm at

16% with TB gear

mastery has become my highest value stat with TB

🤔

[stuck shuttle]

at 18% haste + exsang, haste took over agi for me

[pastel vault]

Think I'm above 1k mastery now lol

[stuck shuttle]

lol

time to run M

MP*

u probably sim better

with MP

[pastel vault]

Unlucky high Ivl mastery pieces

Mp?

[stuck shuttle]

master poisoner

[pastel vault]

Oh

[stuck shuttle]

instead of Elaborate Planning

[pastel vault]

I'll try Sim when I get home

[stuck shuttle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/45d1hE7855MbScwpNJWUyY

wait shit

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oWsPjVbp6WdtqWtMB2n68B

1.91 haste over 1.84 agi

[onyx falcon]

JW, is anyone running poison w/ high vers?

[severe niche]

3 min fight sim omegalul

[severe hemlock]

yeah my sims freak out with haste atm

i have 7%

but yanno

haste is useless in aoe and I'm a M+ boi 🤓

i'd like a lil more

[severe niche]

https://gyazo.com/882bca3e30458fad050d9b41757102e3 haste still fat for me

[deft locust]

for a 3 min fight this is where I sit

[severe niche]

i mean you only care bout st in m+ this week

[deft locust]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7MhqeX2Fm476ijQm3ND24m

[severe niche]

so you aint no m+ boi then

why are you guys 3 min simming?

[deft locust]

funny how in short fights mastery overtakes haste

even for exsang

[severe niche]

heroic parse gods?

[deft locust]

even at this early stage in the xpac

Idk, hecktix was doing it so I wanted to run one

o_o

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sXMBVKfqX5vVrJm7hWkuhh

5 min

yikes

need a better wep

[acoustic flame]

Are you guys using overwhelming power

Was wondering if it has any uptime in raids/m+

[stuck shuttle]

I had mine on 3 mins

to show the difference between TB and exsang on shorter fights

[deft locust]

ohh

[stuck shuttle]

bigger discrepancy .

[deft locust]

what were the results?

Exsang dumpstering it?

[stuck shuttle]

~400 dps difference

with exsang

[deft locust]

ohh

interesting

[stuck shuttle]

3 mins is more realistic

for parsing atleast

[plain spruce]

can someone explain the SS bug? is it saying to not have 4 garotes up at once?

[stuck shuttle]

if thats your goal

[acoustic flame]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[stuck shuttle]

@plain spruce don't garrote outside of subterfuge window

[plain spruce]

like ever?

[acoustic flame]

no

[plain spruce]

on ST

[stuck shuttle]

until your SS garrotes fall off

[acoustic flame]

in opener

[plain spruce]

ok that makes sense

[acoustic flame]

and when u vanish for subterfuge

[deft locust]

it's like how you let exsang dots drop off before reapplying

you just wait for SS garrote to drop

[acoustic flame]

I'm wondering, when blizz is actually going to nerf ss

[deft locust]

when they decide sin should be a ded class

[red plaza]

Checking out your guys' sims and mine seems a little low for my ilvl. Any guesses or am I running the sim wrong? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tBE9n7kyBesa5xHUMe9Zef

[deft locust]

and we should all move to memelaw

o_o

[stuck shuttle]

probably the same day they fix the bug @acoustic flame

lol

[severe niche]

3 mins ez https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kZXxqypjqdgTrhNVKLh3sq

[deft locust]

do you have three ss maks?

[red plaza]

just 2. helm is dagger/op

[stuck shuttle]

@red plaza some of those sims were 3 mins

not 5

so take with a grain of salt

[simple acorn]

If I have two azerite gear with Shrouded Suffofication does it stack?

[deft locust]

yes

[simple acorn]

nice

[deft locust]

in fact, it's weird that SS stacks

the CP at least

I can't think of another trait

that stacks the utility portion

[simple acorn]

so i hit my garrote and i get 4 CP already lol?

[stuck shuttle]

when I first read the trait , I thought with 2xSS you would instantly get 6 CP

[deft locust]

o_o

[severe niche]

it doesnt stack

[stuck shuttle]

I was surpisingly disappointed

[summer yoke]

Sin the new top spec?

[deft locust]

does it not foxy?

[stuck shuttle]

garrote is 3 CP @simple acorn

not 4

i think foxy meant the CP

[simple acorn]

oh yeah

[severe niche]

ye i mean the combo points

[deft locust]

maybe I'm losing my mind

oh wiat

[plain cairn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uRqHbPfpUFWkPyYrGeyuhj

[deft locust]

wait

[plain cairn]

halp me guyz

[deft locust]

SS gives 2 per cast

not 1

facepalm

[plain cairn]

only 1 ss trait cause i got some 385 azerite shoulder with blightborne infusion

[stuck shuttle]

lol neverr

[simple acorn]

Isn't it weird that you can't reroll your azerite traits if you don't like what you have?

[golden mulch]

how many items did you NA guys get from the weekly? i heard most people got only 1?

[deft locust]

when I swapped from outlaw to sin early on I already had 3 SS in my bags

so I never looked at the wording too hard

:S

[stuck shuttle]

hahaha

@plain cairn what's the issue?

your sim looks fine but why 3mins

[deft locust]

1 @golden mulch

[plain cairn]

@stuck shuttle cause i wanted to compare with the other guy

im higher ilvl

[stuck shuttle]

oh lol

[plain cairn]

and sim way lower

[stuck shuttle]

your trinket is shitting on you

[plain cairn]

is that all from SS ?

[deft locust]

to be fair jay

SS is very frontloaded

so not having SS in a 3 min fight

[stuck shuttle]

that too

[deft locust]

hurts more than not having it in a 5 min fight

[stuck shuttle]

we simmed 3mins for exsan

which does better on shorter fights

[deft locust]

and that

[stuck shuttle]

so u not having exsang or ss

will be huge

[golden mulch]

well so the 1-3 item from weekly was just a joke?

[plain cairn]

ill sim TB 5 min

[golden mulch]

and its actually only 1 item?

[stuck shuttle]

no you can get 3

[deft locust]

could just be really rare verf

[stuck shuttle]

but its realyl rare

im sure

[calm grail]

So with Vanish do you always hold it to line it up with Vendetta unless the fight will end before you can line them up again?

[stuck shuttle]

as best as you can , yes

[deft locust]

yes, although it's the other ways around

you hold vendetta for vanish

[golden mulch]

havent heard from anyone that he got more than 1 piece

[deft locust]

if you are holding vanish for vend you missed using it somewhere

[prime quail]

anyone here has an +10 key and spot for Tank +2dps? EU Ally

[calm grail]

Oh so you play around Vanish instead of Vendetta?

[deft locust]

only because of how your opener works

they are both on 2 min cd

and you use ven before your first vanish

so your second ven will come before your second vanish

so you hold your second ven to use with that vanish

then it swaps

but you don't really have to hold in the third rotation as much

because you already have it lined up

[stuck shuttle]

timings only really get thrown off with exsang @calm grail

look up some top rogue dps logs on Fetid or something

and just look at the cast timeline

[deft locust]

all of them are TB

o_o

[stuck shuttle]

much easier to understand

[plain cairn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iwsD74Ub7Akk7BXaqeTPXP

this is 5 min TB

[deft locust]

oh I lied

it's changed since I last looked

[severe niche]

where the exsang bro

[calm grail]

My first vanish is about 20 second behind vendetta, that normal?

[deft locust]

Hmm, if I would have saved my parse I woulda placed 82nd for assassin on fetid

[stuck shuttle]

yes

[deft locust]

I pulled 15.6k

shame

[stuck shuttle]

thats why the timing for exsang

is 2:20

for your 3rd use

[severe niche]

how long was the fight

[stuck shuttle]

@calm grail

[deft locust]

3:36

@severe niche

[calm grail]

Yeah I'm not using exsang atm

[severe niche]

worth to delay that one

if it was 2 mins longer

it wouldnt have been

[calm grail]

Only have to SS and it only simmed 15 dps higher.

Figured I'm less likely to fuck up TB for now unless I get 3 SS

[severe niche]

like exsang saving for cds is 100% based on encounter time

just have to gauge with the dps of your group

[deft locust]

wait, is that to nira?

o_o

[calm grail]

Swapped to SIn from Outlaw because god saw fit to give me the BiS chest for sin and not Outlaw hood.

But! I missed assassination. Raided all of Antorus as it.

[deft locust]

rip friend

[severe niche]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/78qz5Yi3QXshQGLjyakwzs 500 dps difference with toxic blade

wait

3 mins

fuck

[deft locust]

lol

[severe niche]

you people making me do 3 min sims smh

[tight ravine]

i still have no idea how to aoe as assassin

garrotte everything from stealth

[dusky sparrow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[severe niche]

legit get stelath garrote on 3 mobs, FoK apply ruptures, FoK envenom, more FoK

refresh ruptures

actauly brain dead

i do like 20-30k aoe

ez

in m+ atm

actauly keep up with my 360 warrior i run with on some packs

[tight ravine]

do you use crimson tempest

[severe niche]

not this week

and i still keep up

[calm grail]

Nice.

Was thinking I'd have to run CT for M+

[tight ravine]

so, stealth garote, garrote what i can, then fok, and apply garrote to each thing

[lofty valley]

still running psn bomb?

[tight ravine]

and then envenom when I can?

er apply *rupture

[red plaza]

apply rupture

[stuck shuttle]

only garrote 3 targets

until SS ones fall off

[severe niche]

you want envenom buff to make FoK stornger

get like 4 ruptures off

maby 5 depending on the pack if you big pull

[stuck shuttle]

I usually 3x3

and its infinite energy

3 garrote, 3 rupture

[severe niche]

at that rate you should FoK and have 4-5 combo points to envenom

[stuck shuttle]

then envenom spam

[severe niche]

and then can sustain ruptures and envenom buff

im in a kings rest atm we see how it goes

[tight ravine]

wait, envenom buff

[severe niche]

???????

k

so what i reccomend

is press p

[tight ravine]

the poison application

[severe niche]

and read every ability full

ye

do you know how poison application works?

if the target is already poisoned

[tight ravine]

not anymore, no 😦

[severe niche]

it does insta ticks

[tight ravine]

wait WHAT

[severe niche]

so FoK becomes even stronger in aoe

[stuck shuttle]

@rancid current vanish + SS garrote the add

and boss

profit

[severe niche]

am i acoustic or

ye

[noble dove]

The ravenholdt guide is worst class guide out there

[severe niche]

read deadly poison tool tip

[stuck shuttle]

lol FotM sin

[severe niche]

idk ive legit just played rogue like 4 years since i started the game so

[red plaza]

What's wrong with the Ravenholdt guide?

[severe niche]

the build atm is legit 100% how assassination played in en

ep exsang build

[subtle imp]

what you guys simming for for around 355 ilvl

[onyx wind]

best guide is simcraft apl

[severe niche]

its legit all the same rotation essentially

[golden mulch]

confirmed by blizz ONLY 1 ITEM IN CHEST

https://www.wowhead.com/news=287076/mythic-weekly-chests-only-award-one-item-in-battle-for-azeroth

[noble dove]

no explanations for new players and nothing not in the APL for advanced players

[golden mulch]

blizzard loves to tease

[stuck shuttle]

thank god

i thought that was stupid anyway

imagine getting 3x 385 pieces in 1 week

[quartz depot]

imagine never getting azerite from m+

[stuck shuttle]

on top of personal loot

that could've went downhill fast

[tight ravine]

are you running vigor, Foxy, or mfd?

[severe niche]

vigor 100%

mfd is shit talent

[stuck shuttle]

@quartz depot M+ doesn't drop azerite

only in cache

if thats what you meant

[tight ravine]

hm

i was using mfd in pvp and i kinda liked it

[quartz depot]

now there's like a 70% lower chance of getting any

[severe niche]

i mean im talking pve

pvp is for brainlets :3

jk

[tight ravine]

😛

[golden mulch]

well guess i wont buy a boost for 1million gold now rofl

[severe niche]

boost for what?

a 10 key?

[stuck shuttle]

WTS +10 boost

1 mil gold

[severe niche]

oh

[tight ravine]

woah holy crap I just..I just tried the thing

oh my

[severe niche]

my group might actaully sell then

[stuck shuttle]

that's all I see in LFG

[severe niche]

we;'ve done 4 10s so far

they ez af

[stuck shuttle]

"+10 carry groupm link your key"

"50k per spot, PM"

like what

[onyx wind]

what

[gusty parcel]

Saw people trying to sell +9 key spots for 100k ea

[stuck shuttle]

yeah its ridiculous

[tight ravine]

also with the SS bug - do you just wait until garrote falls off to refresh garrote if you're not stealthed?

[stuck shuttle]

but they wouldn't exist if people weren't actually paying

@tight ravine yes

[random skiff]

so what are the rules for exang? do i use on CD? also do i reapply all bleeds before it comes up or just use it as is?

[stuck shuttle]

only exsang on full pandemic bleeds

2nd exsang can be used as close to on CD as you can

depending on your timings when it comes up

3rd exsang you delay vendetta for

and vanish

[random skiff]

okay, so is it better to hold on to exang until you have to pand refresh or just reapply bleeds before exang come sup

[stuck shuttle]

thats why the 2nd one's timing can be off

if youre lazy, just full refresh before exsang comes up

for min max, you should time it

[random skiff]

also its not worth holding on to vanish for 2nd exang right?

[stuck shuttle]

yes it is

u want to line up vanish + vend for 1st and 3rd exsang

and any trinkets you may have

to pop on cd

[delicate root]

vanish after 1st exsang tho, no? then again on 3rd

[stuck shuttle]

vanish is after the first

yes

[random skiff]

okay

[stuck shuttle]

but its still in vendetta window

[delicate root]

2nd won't be buffed in any way

[static sparrow]

anyone have a good weak aura for dot uptime on multiple targets

[stuck shuttle]

yeah no way

only by EP

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[tight ravine]

so wait, the opener is, garrote, rupture, garroote, vendetta, mutilate, rupture, exsan, mut, en mut en, vanish gaorrte x2?

[stuck shuttle]

oh multiple

im sure theres one there

[static sparrow]

yeah those only have current

a lot are outdated on wago

[stuck shuttle]

yes exactly @tight ravine

[random skiff]

yeah i do that too

been used to EZ toxic blades, gotta get used to exang again

[mighty arrow]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[fading socket]

exang > toxic blades?

[silk ledge]

any decent assa builds for mythic+ ? or should i just roll another spec for m+ ?

[safe matrix]

depends on your gear

[onyx wind]

assa is very big

[mint osprey]

Does anyone know if Laser Matrix breaks CC in arenas?

[safe matrix]

assa is so strong for m+

with SS its actually nutty

[silk ledge]

even after the nerf ?

[safe matrix]

sin wasnt nerfed

[lofty valley]

do guys use bursting blood for m+ or agi pot

[onyx wind]

what nerf

[safe matrix]

only sub/outlaw were

[silk ledge]

or didnt they nerf the garrote trait ?

[safe matrix]

a while ago

its still really strong

[keen spruce]

They nerfed SS like a week into the xpac

[safe matrix]

theres a lot that makes sin strong for m+ though

[keen spruce]

that was like a month ago

[stuck shuttle]

dam its already been a month of the expac

hasn't felt like it

[silk ledge]

so what outer ring trait should i go for for assa?

[keen spruce]

3 weeks?

I dunno

Shrouded Sufficatoin

x3

[stuck shuttle]

SSx3

Double dose is good

sharpened blades is good

high ilvl Laser matrix is good

[tight anvil]

how many ilvls do we feel like SS trait is worth

[safe matrix]

a lot

[stuck shuttle]

1st stack is worth a ton

[keen spruce]

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=azerite_traits&type=trait_stacking&tier=3

[tight anvil]

i figured

[stuck shuttle]

just becasue of the CP

[keen spruce]

Single target here you go

[silk ledge]

how we doing in aoe ?

[stuck shuttle]

3CP out of stealth feels so good

[keen spruce]

full cleave here you go

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=azerite_traits&fight_style=hecticaddcleave&type=trait_stacking&tier=3

[stuck shuttle]

2-5 target cleave, Sin kills @silk ledge

great for M+

shit even big packs, sin kills

[silk ledge]

sin was always my favorite spec, guess il give it a go again

[dawn merlin]

@stuck shuttle pretty good, especially if it's consistent aoe

[keen spruce]

Good luck finding Thunderous blast

[dawn merlin]

@silk ledge *

[safe matrix]

if you go by hero damage the contrast is more stark @keen spruce
https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/azerite-stacks/2t-t22-assassination-exsg

[dawn merlin]

I meant

[deft patio]

guys for single target what is best? blindside or elaborate planning `?

[keen spruce]

it's on like 3 pieces of gear

[safe matrix]

they have 2t sims

[stuck shuttle]

EP

Blindside is meh

[deft patio]

why

[onyx wind]

numbers

[keen spruce]

I'd have to look through their sim

well both

[stuck shuttle]

i think it feels weird having to hold it

so that i dont waste CP

[keen spruce]

to know which is more accurate

[thorn fjord]

You guys think exang is out performing TB by that much?

[keen spruce]

no

they're very close

and depends on your gear

some people still sim higher with TB

just head to raidbots

[thorn fjord]

yeah the diff in sims for me are like 50 dmg

[stuck shuttle]

shorter fights, the difference is larger

just something to think about

[deft patio]

well i dont like using finnishers when i only got 4 points tbh, then blindside comes in handly in my opinion to fill that extra 1 point in

[keen spruce]

❤ min fight exang will probably outshine it

<3.01

fuck u emoji

[thorn fjord]

finishers with 4 points are fine though

[stuck shuttle]

^

[keen spruce]

yea we don't have a reliable way to kick out 1 cp

better to finish with 4 than over CP

[thorn fjord]

theres poison knife

but meh

[stuck shuttle]

hell no

lol

[keen spruce]

under no circumstance

[thorn fjord]

with sharpened blades yeah no?

[lime valve]

So for second exsang we want to reapply rupture and garrote and just hit it right? Nothing special

[stuck shuttle]

40 energy

for a knife throw

[keen spruce]

yeah @lime valve

it can get awk sometimes

but you want them both on full pandemic

ideally

[calm grail]

So is exsang better with 3 SS generally?

[deft patio]

idk guys, i miss the legion sin rogue, they seemed to much stronger

[onyx wind]

ok

[stuck shuttle]

yes, generally @calm grail

but always good to sim yourself

thats because shoulders were fucking broken in Legion @deft patio

[slate dust]

How's the m+ runs?

[calm grail]

If you had a very small difference between the two would you just run TB since you cant really muck it up? I'm talking like 25dps difference

Also, are you guys running different stat sets for m+ or just generally keeping your ST setup ?

[stuck shuttle]

again, in M+, exsang is better definitely

for pack pulls

and most bosses wont last 5mins

[keen spruce]

yeah I mean it really comes down to playing correctly

[stuck shuttle]

so the difference is bigger than 25

in raids, it may be closer

[keen spruce]

if you're gonna fuck up exang like 80% of the time casting it with 3 seconds left on rupture

then just run TB

[calm grail]

Yeah sorry that was two parter.

[rose sequoia]

say you have like 12 secs on ruputure/garrote and you have exsanguinate off cd, do you refresh asap or wait for pandemic

[stuck shuttle]

but most heroic fights won't be 5 mins either

[calm grail]

The first was directed at raids

[keen spruce]

but you shouldn't use inferior talents to crutch your fucks up

just git gud

[stuck shuttle]

ye RNG harder

[keen spruce]

Like if you always forget to cast CT it's better to just run poison bomb

[unkempt wing]

hi guys i heared of a build using exeguinate but i cant rly find a guide how to perfektly use it in m+.. can sb help me ?

[onyx wind]

usee garrote

3 times

not more

not less

[keen spruce]

but you should really figure out how to cast CT if you wanna climb the meters

[onyx wind]

eh

[dire gazelle]

Wouldn't 'git gud' mean playing a perfect rotation from the pre-addon notification era, you basically have a scrolling rotation bar these days XD

[calm grail]

So with exsang, are you using it on CD after the opener or always holding it to line up w/ something?

[onyx wind]

most groups have good enough aoee

[final stone]

difference from exsan and tb for me is 51 deeps lol

when i sim it

[lofty valley]

noob question.. we dont use garrote off cd when we have the empowered one right?

[keen spruce]

@calm grail Exsang has a rotational spot in the opener. 2nd cast is flexible to work around your trinket cd and bleed refreshes

3rd should line up with vanish

or be saved for vanish*

@lofty valley you don't use Garrote off CD period

[unkempt wing]

so what would the opener with exeng be then ?

[calm grail]

Most people with 2 or more SS are using exsang for M+ though right?

[keen spruce]

I

I'd just sim for it

I'm running exang now but I don't see a huge difference tbh

@unkempt wing Single Target opener:

G R G V M R E

[fading socket]

Where can i find exsang guide?

[keen spruce]

Trinkets/racials go with Vendetta

ideally

Trinkets aren't on GCD so it shouldn't matter

wat

[fading socket]

can racials go with vendetta? doesnt it have GCD?

[keen spruce]

Vectis is a 2 target fight

why would you ever FoK

Don't do that

[calm grail]

Wonder if I should just bind Fireblood to Ven

both 2 minutes

[keen spruce]

The answer would probably "fat fingered it"

I have them on 1 & 2 niralath

so I just kind of mush them at the same time

[slate dust]

How's sin comparing to outlaw after nerfs?

Specifically for m+

[final stone]

so with 51 difference on exsa and tb guess ill go back to exsa lol got min/max that 51 deeps

[keen spruce]

might as well

[severe hemlock]

stronger unless you really overgear content and are doing huge pulls (unlikely on sanguine) / stuff dies before garrote runs out @slate dust

at least for me 🤷

[slate dust]

I put most of my time into gearing for outlaw so need to back track and find the right azerite pieces

[stuck shuttle]

@final stone you'll see more impact in M+

and out side of Mythic

[fading socket]

Anyone have a Exsang guide? never played it before.. and icy veins doesnt have it updated

[stuck shuttle]

its in the guide here

[red plaza]

ravenholdt guide

[stuck shuttle]

pinned at the top

[final stone]

yeah for sure @stuck shuttle

[severe hemlock]

fwiw hix you just need 3*ss traits and you're good

[slate dust]

No more rtb 😭

[severe hemlock]

it's kind of like the guardian druid thrash trait was in legion

ilvl nearly irrelevant

just get that *3

[slate dust]

Yeah I'll. Look at my pieces. Also need to swap gear for arena

[safe matrix]

@fading socket SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE

[slate dust]

Was nice having op deadshot for a bit.

[stuck shuttle]

30% crit

on garrote

lucky boy

[robust light]

am i supposed to save vendetta til vanish is off cd or use it so i can clip the vanish at the end of vendetta?

[stuck shuttle]

@robust light vendetta buff is dynamic now