assassination

[keen spruce]

I was putting it after rupture but that makes sense to have it just after or just before the mute

[lone junco]

The only thing that matters really is the vendetta overlapping the gg exang and the vanish gg

[stuck shuttle]

u want vendetta as soon as possible

[lilac spade]

G g r ex

[stuck shuttle]

but u cant use it before subt runs out

so thats the soonest point

[keen spruce]

G R G V M R exang/trinket/racial

[daring imp]

shrug bosses lasting ~4min on m+

[keen spruce]

M M E vanish G G R

[lone junco]

Trinket and racial (troll) befor exsang.

[daring imp]

stupid last atal dazar boss

[inland zinc]

ilvl 352, TB still simming 1.7% higher

[daring imp]

requiring soaking spiders to make room

[lone junco]

Oy

[keen spruce]

Vendetta/trinket/racial then Mute rupture exang?

[lilac spade]

G g r x vend is looking tops from logs

[stuck shuttle]

@inland zinc depends on your gear setup

[inland zinc]

perhaps

[stuck shuttle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/miKouHK3BJs7RWv9D9QnvE

[inland zinc]

i'm 3 ss

still tb 😦

[lone junco]

GC is 10 sec. I will put that on top of the exsang.

[keen spruce]

TB and exang are super close for almost everyone

just sim it and pick the best one

[sullen robin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oKzQ9zTKXetn5c2HfQjHbm @stuck shuttle got it higher now

[turbid stratus]

is the opener the same for both tb and exang ?

[lone junco]

Until you get a use trinket that stacks on exsang.

[keen spruce]

basically

krill

[lone junco]

No. One has tb. One has exang.

[stuck shuttle]

@sullen robin niceee. get them stats up

[keen spruce]

@lone junco

[lilac spade]

@lone junco seeing top sins opening g g r x Ven

[lone junco]

How much damage is 1g. With 3ss? And 1cp rupture.

[stuck shuttle]

why my raidbots not loading ilvl

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/miKouHK3BJs7RWv9D9QnvE

[lone junco]

I'm not saying ggrx is wrong. But the rupture isn't stacked. And the problem with the spec is desync of that t=4 vendetta and the t=15 vanish. And 45 sec exsang.

[keen spruce]

If you're going to exsang you want both Garrote and Rupture extended with pandemic right before you use it

[lilac spade]

Should hold Ven for van anyways?

[lone junco]

And "top logs" have a lot of variable and the rotation is relatively new. If you asked them personally why they did it that way, likely answer is 🤷 g

[keen spruce]

no @lilac spade

[lone junco]

The 2nd yes. Not first.

[keen spruce]

^

[lilac spade]

Right so desync?

[stuck shuttle]

not desync

but just hold vendetta until vanish is up

for 2:20

~

[sand canyon]

10x fok into gar opener for sin it is

[lone junco]

We will see lots of rotations. Some are mis plays. Some are boss timings. Some are synced with GC.

[keen spruce]

some are

[karmic mortar]

does using vendetta after garrote buff the one already applied?

[lone junco]

@sand canyon Bro. What are you on about.

[daring imp]

@sand canyon lul

[lone junco]

Ggg Ct.

[stuck shuttle]

@karmic mortar vendetta damage is dynamic

[sand canyon]

whats up noobe

[keen spruce]

no more snapshotting

So if you garrote and wait 5 seconds then Vendetta

[lone junco]

Ayyy. You coming to the bleed team now?

[lilac spade]

Right so shouldn’t be desynced with g g r x Ven doesn’t hold ex for extra ticks but rather pushes for quicker return on cds

[keen spruce]

the remaining tics on garrote will be buffed

[sand canyon]

im bleedmaster

what do u mean

60k aoe or

bleedbrah

[karmic mortar]

oh neat, was wondering why it was later in the opener lol

[tropic rover]

So why do we garrote twice in the opener?

[keen spruce]

CP and pandemic

the extra 6 seconds or whatever on the garrote is better than a mutilate

[daring imp]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xac5HPe_-CgXJo4yUiv_LJldqLu5WjPjUq9d0wRqmIg/edit#gid=0

pls pin this

[tropic rover]

thanks!

[lone junco]

@sand canyon 👌. My team doesn't like my SS openers. "Why am I here". Feels 💪 man.

Tbh. G g g Ct. and I can afk in the corner for like 20sec.

[keen spruce]

@daring imp you can fit a mut mut envenom in between the exanguinate and the vanish garrote garrote

multiple if you're in Hero

[proven ice]

Does exsanguinate pandemic at all, or is it completely re-written?

[lone junco]

Exsang isn't a bleed

[daring imp]

well after you pop exsansg you won't just be sitting there to cap energy

[lone junco]

It just snapshots current haste and cuts bleed time in half.

[stuck shuttle]

^

[daring imp]

it lasts what, 11s of lots of energy ticks?

[keen spruce]

something like that

I mean I'd hope that it's assumed

but people will read that and just sit there

[proven ice]

Does anyone know?

[keen spruce]

cuz they're

[daring imp]

lul

[stuck shuttle]

does anyone know what

[proven ice]

Does exsanguinate pandemic at all, or is it completely re-written?

[keen spruce]

@proven ice Exang isn't a bleed

[stuck shuttle]

exsang isnt a bleed

[lone junco]

I answered the very next line.

[keen spruce]

^

[stuck shuttle]

it speeds up your bleeds

[proven ice]

Does [a bleed that is] exsanguinated pandemic at all, or is it completely re-written?

[stuck shuttle]

by 100%

[daring imp]

exsang is an active skill you cast on a target to make their bleeds tick faster, not another debuff

[keen spruce]

You should not pandemic bleeds buffed by exang as far as I know

[daring imp]

uh

[keen spruce]

I could be wrong

[stuck shuttle]

you can pandemic a exsanguinate bleed

[daring imp]

you're asking if we should refresh exsang'ed bleeds?

[stuck shuttle]

but it gets rid of the exsang effect

so not a good idea

[keen spruce]

Yeah so it's 100% rewritten

[strange python]

You pandemic the bleeds before yoi exsang

[proven ice]

lol, you both answered differently.

[keen spruce]

you should let them get as low as possible without drpping

no we didn't

they are 100% rewritten

[proven ice]

you said rewritted, he said pandemic

[keen spruce]

he said you can

[stuck shuttle]

i said you can pandemic

[strange python]

Its g r g vendetta mut r exsang

[keen spruce]

but they'd be rewritten

[stuck shuttle]

but you get rid of the exang effect

of course you can pandemic it

[tiny vapor]

Do you guys only boon with vendetta, or do you use it at 1min too ?

[keen spruce]

so for the sake of clarity, don't pandemic Exang bleeds

[stuck shuttle]

but you lose the buff

[daring imp]

tl:dr don't pandemic exsang bleed, let them tick out completely then you cast again

[lone junco]

You want fully pandemic length bleeds. Aka 23s gg. So when you overlap a 10sec trinket on 11sec exsang.

[keen spruce]

Yes you want full pandemic BEFORE you exang

but do not Pandemic refresh bleeds AFTER exang

Let them run all the way down

[lone junco]

@tiny vapor GC haste is to be used prior to exang at t=5. Around 105. And hold to 220 alignment.

[sand canyon]

@lone junco teach me dady

[keen spruce]

but not drop

[soft wave]

wtb weakaura that tracks exsanguinate buffed garrote/rupture

[proven ice]

so a 4s ex rupture turns into a 32 sec rupture? or a 26 sec?

[lone junco]

Mizerok has the SS garrote.

[strange python]

32 sec

[mental nebula]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[proven ice]

So you don't lose ticks, it stretches it out.

Ty.

[umbral crescent]

So if I'm on a single target (e.g. boss), for my opener do I use garrote only once or do I hit it again while still under subterfuge to get that extra 1-2 seconds?

[lone junco]

Wut.

[stuck shuttle]

it does not stretch out exsang ticks

it overwrites them

if you pandemic

[proven ice]

Hecktix, it's ok

[lone junco]

If you exsang. Let the shit complete. A new rupture overwrites completely.

[proven ice]

Don't worry about it

[daring imp]

i'm not sure the "remaining damage" of rupture gets summed up on the next pandemic casted one if that's what you're asking

[lone junco]

Just play sub.

[strange python]

@Vataro its g r g vendetta mut r exsang

[snow spindle]

you guys talking about a single target rotation herE?

or multiple

[daring imp]

no clue

[keen spruce]

[daring imp]

exsang is the talk so i assume st

[keen spruce]

DO. NOT. OVERWRITE. EXANG. BUFFED. BLEEDS.

[stone pilot]

did i win?

[lone junco]

@sand canyon giga pulls will probably change meta. But I'm loving the 3ss packs of 3-5.

[silk sundial]

Man, sub chat is dead and sin is kicking

[daring imp]

dayum

[stuck shuttle]

jesus

[nova nest]

holy shiet

[stuck shuttle]

socket too

[keen spruce]

Waffle imma kick you in the dick

[umbral crescent]

@strange python ah, that did clear it up. I'm bad at reading - thanks!

[lone junco]

@stone pilot AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[stuck shuttle]

thats fucking fat

[strange python]

@stone pilot you're dead to me

[stuck shuttle]

1300 haste

for 10 seconds

[strange python]

So jealous that trink is dishusting

[stuck shuttle]

every 1 minute

[stone pilot]

i feel bad i forced my feral buddy to give me his 355 one just 2 days ago

[strange python]

feral OMEGALUL

i mean

assassination OMEGALUL

[hazy sphinx]

What's the dungeon spec for Sin right now?

For m5+

[edgy latch]

do you use exsang or tb in the m+ spec?

[daring imp]

what

[edgy latch]

+10

[daring imp]

dungeon spec for sin?

??

[hazy sphinx]

Talent selection.

[daring imp]

oh

[tough whale]

@edgy latch Id take exang cause its tyran

[strange python]

Exsang CT is what im running with in 10's

[forest beacon]

Got a 385 Azeroth helm from my weekly chest without Shrouded Suffocation, replacing shrouded suffocation. Feels bad man

[daring imp]

well, CT is best

[forest beacon]

Azerite

[daring imp]

for overall m+ when your tank isn't a wuss

[tough whale]

I feel like i actually do 0 damage feelsbadman

[dusky pebble]

what does opener look like with exang

[tough whale]

i must be mentally deficient right now

[stuck shuttle]

@dusky pebble scroll up, theres a google doc

[dusky pebble]

thx

[stuck shuttle]

i wish the opener was pinned

[lilac spade]

@lone junco check Warcraft logs Taloc Heroic Mea peak dps 65k with g g r x vend opener.... he erred with a muti tho

[lone junco]

It could have been higher.

He may have done it on purpose due to 2min timigsn.

[keen spruce]

sin feels great in M+ right now

[violet sonnet]

Mythic 7 My'Das Talisman

[hazy sphinx]

Haven't tried it.

Bout to start, any tips?

[keen spruce]

maybe I'm just running with idiot dps but I'm normally blasting mobs

[daring imp]

65k? what the holy fuck is that

[violet sonnet]

why game

[lilac spade]

35k typo

[daring imp]

dayum

i almost jumped out of the window i'm sitting at

[lilac spade]

Sorry bro ... grab a hold of something

[keen spruce]

I was up around 35-40 on zul pulls last night

[lone junco]

I've seen 35k peaks

[keen spruce]

with all of the buffs

[lone junco]

65 is high.

[keen spruce]

ALL of the buffs

[lone junco]

And vuln.

[keen spruce]

vantus runes, augment runes, feast, flask, pot, hero

the works

warrior shout

I think I got one over 40k

[lilac spade]

He’s top exan dps.... opener might be worth some testing

[nova nest]

did something get buffed ?

[proven ice]

Do we delay the 2nd exsang for vanish or the vanish for 3rd exsang?

[lone junco]

@crimson swift 👌

[keen spruce]

I just started using exang yesterday

Not sure outside of the opener

[stuck shuttle]

you delay vanish for 3rd exsang

2nd exsang use on cd

[lone junco]

@proven ice it is around 3rd or 4th exang.

[proven ice]

and vendetta i assume

[lilac spade]

And he only has one ss

[lone junco]

2nd exang is held for GC.

[keen spruce]

So for second exang, do you want to refresh Garrote and rupture even if they're at like 15s remaining?

[lone junco]

Due to 45s 1min.

[abstract crescent]

so

[proven ice]

Lol, why do people contradict eachother so often here.

[silk sundial]

So save vendetta and vanish for 3rd exang if talented?

[abstract crescent]

how good is sin vs outlaw for pvp/pve?

[proven ice]

Do people just talk without knowing?

[strange python]

The people who know the least know it the loudest

[lone junco]

Prib^

[daring imp]

'cuz not everyone knows everything so they talk what they know even though it's not exactly always right

[keen spruce]

Mercer people haven't really been contradicting eachother

[proven ice]

Like, noobe and hecktix just said the exact opposite almost instantly

[lone junco]

Not everyone has GC trinket.

[silk sundial]

I trust Noobe lol

[stuck shuttle]

he said GC

if you have GC

you delay

[lone junco]

Without that. Use the 45 sec exang between 45 and 115 ish.

[keen spruce]

they both said 3rd exang on vanish

[hollow stone]

How can you trust a noob with the sword of a thousand truths?

[keen spruce]

unless GC

[stuck shuttle]

soo its not the opposite

if you have galecallers, you delay to line up with 2nd exsang

if not, you use it on CD for 2nd

delay 3rd

[lone junco]

GC is a god trinket for the exang alignments.

[stuck shuttle]

or as close to on CD for 2nd

[keen spruce]

So for second exang, do you want to refresh Garrote and rupture even if they're at like 15s remaining?

[stuck shuttle]

yeah u always want to be at full pandemic

but thats why close to on CD

[keen spruce]

I'm assuming yes, but sometimes the refreshs are super awk

[stuck shuttle]

since it won't always be perfect pandemic timing

[lone junco]

You can push that 2nd timing around a bit. So that it land at full pandemic.

[stuck shuttle]

^

[lone junco]

It's not a super tight on cd.

[keen spruce]

fair enough

[lone junco]

Like TB.

[stuck shuttle]

Love the people who don't read replies before speaking

most important timing with exsang is your 3rd exsang

atleast for a 5 min fight

[silk sundial]

I have fathoms and lions guile as my trinkets. Lions guile is almost a 50% agility increase over 10 seconds. It's on a 2 min cool down, it seems like it would line up nicely with the vendetta/vanish/exang windows

[lone junco]

Perfect.

I use the 2min crit use.

Make sure it lines up at open exang and 220. After that it goes on cd.

Per tc.

[rustic plume]

what talents are you guys running? 2212333?

[keen spruce]

You should aim to line up guiles with 3rd exang then

[lone junco]

Pb for single. Ct for cleave.

[keen spruce]

it'll be a little messy though

[daring imp]

2212223 m+

[civic palm]

If you're only ever going to hit up to 2 targets, PBOMB is better, after that CT wins.

[abstract crescent]

how's outlaw and sin in pvp/pve atm

[stuck shuttle]

u could pop lion's guile a little before vendetta to maximize your max agi within vendetta window @silk sundial

[silk sundial]

Yeah that's what I meant, I would use it on opener and then the 3rd exang when the others come off cd

[keen spruce]

I use 221233(1/3)

[silk sundial]

Yeah, I'll probably try it a little before since the agility ramps up

[keen spruce]

Prey on the weak and iron wire have similar utility. it just depends on the mobs you're fighting

[stuck shuttle]

@silk sundial if you line it up well enough, i imagine ideally yuo want to pop lion's 6s before vendetta

and you'll have full agi stacks for 6 secs on Vendetta

[gray pivot]

hello

[plain jacinth]

Is this bug still active?

-Shrouded Suffocation is currently bugged as of sept 1, If you apply 1-3 garrotes in subterfuge, and then apply another garrote outside of subterfuge, all of your garrotes lose the shrouded suffocation multiplier. The subterfuge multiplier still stays.

[stuck shuttle]

yes

still bugged

[keen spruce]

So basically Pre-pop lion's before the pull?

[stuck shuttle]

lol yeah pre-pull trinket

[keen spruce]

you're gonna have vendetta up before 6s into the fight lol

[plain jacinth]

so if you use exsang on mythic+ trash, you shouldn't refresh garrote until the other garrotes run out too?

[silk sundial]

It breaks stealth though so have to use it with garrote

[plain jacinth]

assuming you open with 3x garrote

[stuck shuttle]

yeah you can open with garrote+trinket

that'll be 3s before vendetta essentially

[twin egret]

Assuming the bug is still active

[silk sundial]

It's annoying that trinkets break stealth

[stuck shuttle]

@plain jacinth that's correct

[plain jacinth]

ok

[stuck shuttle]

unless you pop vanish and garrote again

[twin egret]

Imagine if vendetta broke stealth

[stuck shuttle]

as long as you don't garrote outside of subterfuge window

[twin egret]

Or adrenaline rush

Oh wait

[rugged urchin]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[plain jacinth]

does the bug also work in reverse? As in, existing non-subterfuged garrotes become empowered by ss if you vanish and garrote other stuff?

[muted quarry]

when did they take away the gameland leather farming

[sand canyon]

@undone cairn sponsored and mdi team.

[worn ginkgo]

I don't have Shrouded Suffocation, so would my opener be Gar/mult/rup then exsan into a Vendetta?

[stuck shuttle]

no i dont think so @plain jacinth

[plain jacinth]

alright

[stuck shuttle]

@worn ginkgo if you dont have SS, you shouldn't be using Exsasng

[keen spruce]

@plain jacinth that would be nice though

[undone cairn]

@sand canyon oh nice

[worn ginkgo]

@stuck shuttle hrm, okay. Just switched over from sub since it got nerfed. maybe ill go back to sub until I get Shrouded Suffocation.

[stuck shuttle]

SS kind of makes or break sin right now

[plain jacinth]

gonna suck when it inevitably gets nerfed tho

[stuck shuttle]

just tell everyone you know that SS sucks

and blizz will leave us alone

[worn ginkgo]

anyone know which dungeons from the Shrouded Suffocation triats?

[stuck shuttle]

they work on a hive mindset

Shrine and Freeholde

for Shoulders and Helm

The chest I think

is Waycrest

[abstract crescent]

is assassination the best spec currently?

[zealous lily]

no it's bad reroll feral or fury warrior ASAP

[potent forge]

They can't nerf us without at least touching monk and aff lock

Inatead

[zealous lily]

honestly if you get lucky on traits whatever your luckiest spec is will be your best

That's wishful thinking @potent forge

[potent forge]

They should just buff the low end like fire mage and demo

[alpine pilot]

wuts the opener into vendetta and TB with 3 SS traits? o.o

[ionic orchid]

They already tore the other two specs up

We're the last one standing

For now....

[stuck shuttle]

@alpine pilot grgvm tb envenom spam

then vanish double garrote

[late niche]

what's a grgvm

[stuck shuttle]

garrote = g

rupture = r

v = vendetta

[sand canyon]

if they nerf ss sin is useless again in highkeys

hypeeeeeeeeee

[stuck shuttle]

m = mut

[late niche]

why do we garrote twice tho?

[ruby idol]

Why you muting before tb?

[stuck shuttle]

less energy that mutilate

[sand canyon]

thats why i also show , lets all show the world the broken ss hype hype

[stuck shuttle]

it pandemics garrote

more CP

[sand canyon]

LOL

[viscid tiger]

between sin and sub which is the best for high keys right now?

[alpine pilot]

ty hecktix

[late niche]

thanks @stuck shuttle

[sand canyon]

@viscid tiger dps sin, prio sub

[stuck shuttle]

@pure sand mut before tb to maximize TB uptime for envenoms

[viscid tiger]

@sand canyon thanks big fan of the stream btw

[stuck shuttle]

@ruby idol tagged the wrong person lol

[regal snow]

u need Crit and Mastery that this exsg build work ?

[alpine pilot]

1 more question, vanish to double garrote should be fit inside the vendetta duration? does it snap shot with vendetta?

[stuck shuttle]

vendetta buff is dynamic

[sand canyon]

@viscid tiger ty my dude

[stuck shuttle]

u will fit vanish garrote into vendetta window with exsang

[sand canyon]

@subtle kiln i mean finally can read the chat

LOL

[stuck shuttle]

without, you won't make it

[alpine pilot]

right

good to know

[strange python]

Ensang vs tb, first sims lower for me but I have a couple of people who swear on it

[stuck shuttle]

since u want to let garrote tick down to ~5s before vanishing

[lapis chasm]

im an ex aoutlaw, switch to sin best spec atm

[alpine pilot]

i wasnt sure if it was dynamic or not

right

[stuck shuttle]

gotcha

[alpine pilot]

thanks!

[stuck shuttle]

pls don't let sin be next FotM spec

[alpine pilot]

its happening

its too late

[lapis chasm]

no

im gonna show to lizzard how op garote is

[stuck shuttle]

it'll make the SS nerfs even more inevitable

sin's only redeeming trait

[nova nest]

i guess we will have to settle for 15k dps

instead of 30k 😦

[summer tapir]

Anyone know if there is a Sharpened Blades WeakAura?

[lapis chasm]

no

3 days

after mythic

[thin ingot]

SS dealing less dmg?

[lapis chasm]

and nerf inc

[stuck shuttle]

@summer tapir wago.io

[plain jacinth]

it will still be a super strong trait in mythic+ even with a nerf at least

judging by other trait nerfs it'll probably be 10-20% damage nerf

[thin ingot]

but

did it got nerf already?

its not critting for 23k anymore

[stuck shuttle]

it got nerfed when they fixed the first bug

[summer tapir]

I cant any pieces with SS to drop butr in the mean time is 2 Sharpened blades and 1 SS okay?

[stuck shuttle]

but no not recently

@summer tapir 1 ss is better than no ss

just for the CP generation

[summer tapir]

of course, but for my 2 others

[stuck shuttle]

sharpened blades is still fine

[summer tapir]

should I look for something other than Sharpened? or are they pokay

cool, thank you!

[regal snow]

@stuck shuttle u need high Crit and Mastery for Exsg m+ build?

[stuck shuttle]

no u need high haste

mastery is only good if you run MP

[nova nest]

if SS nerfed sharpened blades isnt that far behind right?

[strange python]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[regal snow]

ok i guess 17% is to less

[sand canyon]

U dont need high haste LOOOOOL

[nova nest]

itll just be bad for short aoe pulls

[sand canyon]

wtf

[regal snow]

yeah thats why i'm wondering haste feels useless imo

[stuck shuttle]

oh M+

not raid

[sand canyon]

its not useless

[strange python]

how do you do so much dps on m+ with assa

[stuck shuttle]

M+ is different with CT

[vital dew]

is shrouded suffication per tick?

[regal snow]

but if i compare to others i have 17% haste others dont even hit the 10

[abstract crescent]

it's sad that my sin spec has 14 ilvl's lower and outdamaging my outlaw spec :/

@regal snow yes

[sand canyon]

u want to have crit mastery and 9~ HASTE

then u good 2 go

[regal snow]

Okay tyvm

[stuck shuttle]

mastery has more value with CT

[strange python]

Is there a cap on m+ end of dungeon still

[nova nest]

@sand canyon whats at 9

[stuck shuttle]

i think they raised the ilvl cap to 370

for +10

this week

[sand canyon]

9% feels good

[muted jacinth]

check your stat weights for multi target. haste is pretty low for me vs mastery

[sand canyon]

enough if u manage aoe good

[stuck shuttle]

yeah for MT

[nova nest]

yea ofc i was just wondering why 9

[stuck shuttle]

I thought they were asking for ST

[nova nest]

@sand canyon thanks

[plain jacinth]

it'll probably depend on the dungeon though. Some dungeons have more 1-3 target pulls and less big packs than others

also it is tyrannical week, so that may matter too

though since it is tyrannical, that means you can pull bigger packs than fortified

[regal snow]

how can i sim MT? Hectic Add Cleave? and 5 min ?

[cinder lotus]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[glacial steppe]

do i used vendetta on dark young in p1 at ghuun?

[potent forge]

Iron wire is broken for m+

Worms in underrot get to b like 50% before they even cast

[slim sand]

Hey guys, is it best to triple stack Shrouded Suffocation or run one or two of them? Thanks :)

[stuck shuttle]

3 stack is best

unless you have high ilvl azerite pieces to replace with from uldir

but in M+, 3xSS is best

[nova nest]

anyone trying to run the m0s with SS trait on Head and chest? So you can trade to me if you get them?

[slim sand]

Okay, sweet thanks man!

[sly kestrel]

I assume the SS trait bug is still not fixed right?

[stuck shuttle]

yes

[sly kestrel]

do you let the buffed garrotes expire before applying new garrote on additonal adds?

due to the bug

[nova nest]

yes

[sly kestrel]

unfortunate

[nova nest]

or u can alternatively vanish and garrote 3 more targets

i believe

[sly kestrel]

even though you'd waste CP?

[strange python]

can someone explain to me how are assassination rogues doing so much dps in m+?

[silver egret]

shrouded suffocation traits

[unborn knot]

!ss @strange python

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[strange python]

you need 3 of them?

[unborn knot]

it's pretty busted for packs that live like 30secs

[strange python]

or just 1

[silver egret]

when you can put mondo powerful bleeds on everything, you do mondo dmg

[onyx wind]

If you can vanish and rupture 6 targeeets

You should bee playing outlaw

lol

[silver egret]

add exsang into the mix, its totally poggers

[tough whale]

370 dice

ez

[crisp steppe]

what does exsang has to do with it

[onyx wind]

nothing

[crisp steppe]

isnt it st

[fallow walrus]

Yikes it is annoying that pearl divers compass takes you out of stealth

[onyx wind]

yes it is

[forest beacon]

Jesus didn’t realize I was fucking myself with that 4th garrote out of stealth

[vital dew]

when using subterfuge can I cheapshot into garrote first? or am I not getting the 80% buff to garrote

[sly kestrel]

It's best to cast exsang on newly applied garrote and rupture combo or will it still be okay if i use it 3-4 seconds after applying those dots

[thorn fjord]

If youre taking Sharpened blade are you actually using poisoned knife in the rotation?

[stuck shuttle]

yes lol

or else your trait is useless

[tough whale]

lol

[stuck shuttle]

what did you think it would do

throw the knife for you

[unkempt phoenix]

just got this from heroic cache, hope they buff it eventually

[thorn fjord]

So with the 30 stacks you PB instead of mutilate?

[nova nest]

@forest beacon i was doing 4 garrotes too for several days and still topping meters

[stuck shuttle]

yeah pretty much

[thorn fjord]

Thanks

[forest beacon]

@nova nest that’s the problem I top meters by a league so I didn’t realize I was doing anything wrong xD

[abstract crescent]

@thorn fjord what do you mean? by pb

[nova nest]

yea same haha

[thorn fjord]

Poisoned blade

er

knife*

yeah -_-

[forest beacon]

Now I need to sim dropping a SS trait for a 45 Ilvl upgrade to a 385 Azerite piece that doesn’t have it -_-

[stuck shuttle]

its worth it

almost 100% of the time

[edgy trellis]

should you use mut before or after vendetta ?

[tough whale]

i got 2 downgrades 😃

[stuck shuttle]

unless you dont have any SS

after replacing the piece

[tranquil dust]

is exsang best

for raid now

[forest beacon]

I have 1 pc when replacing it, hoping for shoulders this week. Anywhere drop shoulders besides under rot guys?

[stuck shuttle]

freehold

[tough whale]

freehld

[stuck shuttle]

off last boss

[forest beacon]

Ah that’s what I meant thx

Anywhere besides freehold? Raid? Rep? Haven’t seen one

[stuck shuttle]

@edgy trellis vendetta before mut

you can get lucky in WQ Cache

and get Gonk Outrunner shoulders

[delicate gull]

I went from 3 SS to 2 SS and one Twist on a 370 piece. Was 250 dps ish

[thorn fjord]

So with SS with open with gar gar rupture gar into vendetta tb then envenom rotation?

we open with*

[delicate gull]

That 3rd garrote shouldn’t be there

[thorn fjord]

kk

[tough whale]

if you 3 garrote youll bug yourself

[forest beacon]

It has the 750 haste proc, forget the name but it’s not a bad piece. Should be a clear winner. Hoping so it’s 10k more hp equipped lolol

[tough whale]

and cuck your opening

[delicate gull]

g rup g vendetta tb env

[tough whale]

^

[thorn fjord]

gotcha that seems more fluid

[tawny iris]

best lvl 100 talent for dungeons?

[sand canyon]

ct

[deft locust]

https://gyazo.com/ea83b48adfd86602981567354176e5b9

Eh

Not bad for first fetid kill

[strange python]

[wind totem]

Guys what would you recommend for dungeons? Vigor or Marked for Death?

[lofty sand]

Vigor for everything

[wind totem]

Alright. Thanks.

[rustic ether]

alrighty boys and girls

whats this damned new build thats winning in dps

[deft locust]

we don't take mfd ever even in dungeons due to SS @wind totem

[wind totem]

SS?

The trait?

garrote one?

[rustic ether]

Shrouded Suffocation

[deft locust]

ye

[rustic ether]

okay but for real where do i find this new exsanguinate build im curious

[torn locust]

Is there a list of the current best traits? icy-veins doesnt seem to have all the listings

or is it better to just sim myself?

[deft locust]

new exsang build? Pretty sure it's the same build as old exsang aye?

EP, Exsang, Vigor

subter

[wheat zealot]

Its the same just swap tb for exsan

😂

[soft island]

[fathom cosmos]

Can someone explain how the shroudeded suffocation bug affects rotation? I don't understand

shrouded*

[wheat zealot]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[sand canyon]

st rota 8s to drink water

feels so god man

[soft island]

After subter drops and u use normal garotte, your trait buffed garotes lose the Ss bonus

[sand canyon]

^-^

[abstract crescent]

can you redo the battle for stormgrade?

[sand canyon]

yes

[abstract crescent]

how 😮

[soft island]

Magic

[red plaza]

for 340 loot with a chance to WF and TF. only get the 370 reward once tho

[soft island]

Don't thing it can tf

[abstract crescent]

I want 340 loot :D
\

[red plaza]

Talk to the Warfront master where you queued the first time

[abstract crescent]

I didn't queue my friend queued us for it

[soft island]

It can only wf afaik

[red plaza]

down by the boats where all the turns in were to unlock the warfront

[torn locust]

Are they going to be buffing the Uldir trinkets?

[potent forge]

What are the chances they make the spawns from infested not affected by sanguine, because it's pretty toxic

[shadow token]

alright so what assholes got a 380 weapon in their chest?

[severe niche]

this week is so good 😃

[mossy abyss]

blizzard didnt fix ss bug with na reset?

[spice surge]

@torn locust One might hope so, but we dont know 🤷

[torn locust]

I got a titanforged Construct Overcharger but my 340 trinket still out sims it

feels bad man 😦

[shadow token]

i got 380 haste vers boots

but i did a 10 so no forge

[soft island]

The first boss trinket is a joke. Kek.

[sturdy python]

Vanish when Garrote runs out
Garrote twice

So does this mean I actually Garrotex2 then envenom or is it Garrote>Envenom>Garrote

[spice surge]

@shadow token We're not upset about people getting 380 weapons, we're upset about people getting 385 SS pieces

[shadow token]

that too

[spice surge]

Thats the real trigger

[fathom cosmos]

I got a 370 Harlan's loaded dice lol

[spice surge]

Because weapons you can actually get from mythic raids n stuff

Cant get SS pieces

[shadow token]

yea the fact that m+ cant drop azerite is whack as fuck

[spice surge]

except chest

[shadow token]

like here is 1 piece of bis trait for you in the entire raid

[sturdy python]

I dont mind that they dont drop it, Im annoyed that all these bugged keys are getting people this amazing gear

[soft island]

I get upset when I step on Lego. That's the real trigger

[shadow token]

i got a 13 key out of my chest this week

so i'll drop to 10 and do it again 😉

[sturdy python]

See! wtf lol

Why didnt I get one of these amazing cheese keys

[quartz dew]

drop it to 11, in case the manage to fix the carry over, then you'll still get a 10 next week 😄

[shadow token]

ahh true

[sturdy python]

just do the 13 then u get 10+ for weeks!

nah by then it should be pushable by most people

[shadow token]

doing a 13 does not sound fun right now

i am getting shit on by loot

[quartz dew]

was pushable already, all us EU people had to get 10s the old fashioned way

[shadow token]

still cant get above a 345 weapon to drop

[hybrid harness]

I got 2 380 daggers from mythic cache and heroic cache, and 2 ss traits from the emissary bonus. anyone else breathing heavily for the rest of the day?

[sturdy python]

Sure theres people doing it but not many at all

[shadow token]

we almost beat the 10 tbh

[potent forge]

Why did it feel like they didn't design these dungeons around Sanguine at all? It felt terrible last week.

[shadow token]

well confirmed you only get 1 item from weekly

[sturdy python]

I wish I could find a group that wants to push

All mine are like "Lets CC this pack is too hard" zzzz

[fathom cosmos]

me

[hybrid harness]

Tawney are you aware of the M+ discords?

[sturdy python]

I am not

Never though about that

[hybrid harness]

horde or ally?

[fringe bloom]

how many targets should i use CT?

[sturdy python]

Horde

Unfortunately

[pastel vault]

Sub over mut on taloc? Seems like bleeds are too slow on elevator

[glacial steppe]

damn, ghuun feels weird as assa

[opaque grotto]

Ghuun is the dream

Just run around and rupture everything

[pastel vault]

It's good on that boss

[terse pawn]

is opener still GRGMR?

[opaque grotto]

For exsang yes

[glacial steppe]

yeah but do I use vendeta on pull?

[opaque grotto]

Nah actually just don’t press it

It’s on global so it’s a dps loss

[glacial steppe]

?_?

[opaque grotto]

Yes use vendetta

[glacial steppe]

ok my guild flamed me cause I used vendeta on the big add

[opaque grotto]

Fuck ur guild

[glacial steppe]

):

[opaque grotto]

Get the parse

[nova nest]

does vendeta buff garrote for full duration?

[opaque grotto]

No it doesn’t snapshot if that’s what your asking

[nova nest]

ok thanks

[muted jacinth]

I can only run outlae for ghuun due to orb ._.

[opaque grotto]

I told my guild I would rather be benched than run orb

Also we have 2 warrior, 2 DH, and a monk

[royal lantern]

i had orb duty, rip logs

[thin ingot]

give me attention

fuck

its

[smoky bluff]

🤔

[thin ingot]

outlaw spec

fucked it up

wait

[rustic ether]

is outlaw really that bad now? lol

[smoky bluff]

need to practice my exsang

tried yesterday, sucked like hell

[thin ingot]

fixed

[smoky bluff]

[lyric knoll]

[thin ingot]

hueheu

[smoky bluff]

es hek hek hek hek

[spiral furnace]

Sin the go2 now?

I have literally 20+ pieces of Azerite Gear in my Bags an I am afraid to delete any because of those fucking nerfs flying around 😄

[lyric knoll]

What got nerfed this week if any

[spiral furnace]

Deadshot, Blade in the Shadows?

[rustic ether]

deadshot by 20% so get rid of that

[spiral furnace]

idk. I really dont know what spec to play. I played all of them last raid

[tough whale]

deadshot nerf still puts deadshot trait pretty high so dont freak out too hard

[spiral furnace]

I got 3 snek traits ready 2 go

Does the Chest really give only 1 item btw?

[thin ingot]

i only got 1

[devout moth]

yes

it was changed from beta

[cerulean walrus]

TFW you get 2 SS pieces in the course of 30 minutes

Feelsgoodman

[soft island]

Everyone does. No chance for 2 or 3

[shadow token]

ya chest only 1 confirmed

[thin ingot]

tfw you got 3 ss since week 1 xd

[cerulean walrus]

Finally rocking 3 SS

[spiral furnace]

Okay. And how do you get high Azerite pieces from m+ then? Only chest? that kinda sucks

[devout moth]

raid

xd

[nova nest]

still only 1x ss

[thin ingot]

world boss

[devout moth]

lucky titanfuck

[thin ingot]

in US hes dropping the headpiece

[cerulean walrus]

I rolled on WB and got the headpiece

Got the shoulders from my M Chest

[lyric knoll]

Ss bugged at all still?

[shadow token]

i didnt get head from world boss. rip me

[tough whale]

ss still bugged

[thin ingot]

can we get weapons

from the weekly event

?

[tough whale]

Should be able to

Ik you can get azerite

[empty tangle]

what weekly event?

[tough whale]

mythic dungeon

[thin ingot]

then definetly we can get weapons

[empty tangle]

where do you get the quest

[thin ingot]

alt+j

[shadow token]

oh ya i need to do that

370 dream azerite piece

[forest beacon]

Ran an all leather in freehold and got my shoulders 😃

[tough whale]

dagger pls

[grim wolf]

is there a way to sim the reorgination array?

[calm grail]

Got kinda crap daggers at 345 but 3 SS traits now, one at 385 from weekly cache. Wondering if I should try Sin.

My outlaw traits are kinda middling.

[tropic pike]

3xss got nerfed right

[wheat zealot]

Nope

[tropic pike]

so still stacks?

[late niche]

does SS increase the damage of each ticks or is it the total damage on the tooltip?

[spice surge]

Not making it stack would be an awful solution

Each tick

[wheat zealot]

If you didnt try sin with a 385 ss pieces chances are i hate your very exsistence

[late niche]

damn that's good

[tropic pike]

how do u even get a 385 ss piece

[spice surge]

It also gets multiplied by subterfuge

[tropic pike]

pray for it to titanforge?

[wheat zealot]

From your cache

[spice surge]

They cant titanforge

[wheat zealot]

Gotta do a 10

[spice surge]

YOu need to get it from a +10 weekly cache

Only way

[tropic pike]

oh u are NA?

[wheat zealot]

And pray to rngesus

[spice surge]

To get a helm/shoulder

[wheat zealot]

Yessir

[tropic pike]

Me EU ;c

[late niche]

I was wondering why a trait that only works for the opener and every 2 minutes was so valued lol

[tropic pike]

Do u know which normal mythics drop ss?

Been spamming m+ so haven't got down to doing normals yet

[spice surge]

freehold/shrine

[tropic pike]

ty

[spice surge]

Idk which one drops chest, but fetid and pvp drops it so 🤷

[sudden brook]

the reason the trait that only works in the opener and with vanish is BIS is because of how absurdly overtuned the trait is

[severe niche]

not sure about self advertising rules didnt see any in rules section but spamming +10 keys as assassination atm same twitch name as discord or right click profile and watch

[halcyon glacier]

anyone aware of if the bug with it (in the pins) is still present after hotfixes today?

[spice surge]

ye

[bleak river]

Is assass even worth playing in m+ w/o triple SS traits?

[wheat zealot]

Self advertising is frowned upon in this discord @severe niche

[halcyon glacier]

@bleak river with 0-1 maybe not, with 2 probably. just try comparing your dps with how you do as the other specs

[sudden brook]

#pvp

[bleak river]

tried with one and the damage wa ssub par compared to sub. But i've played sub for way longer so just wanted to make sure

[dire gazelle]

@severe niche - at the very best, it would be suited for off-topic, if at all. This is for spec discussion specifically.

[fresh ginkgo]

oh god i just puke a bit inside

[sudden brook]

i also hate getting 52% upgrades

[halcyon kayak]

whats the trait addon?

[fresh ginkgo]

azeritetooltip

[halcyon kayak]

ty

[nimble tartan]

Boys my sin simming 14.3k...higher than my sub....sin is my best friend now

[strange python]

does crimson tempest count towards energy regen on mastery?

[royal lantern]

read the passive

[dawn merlin]

do you guys run CT on zek'voz?

[royal lantern]

you should take it for zekvos too, you need aoe dmg for the adds there

and you dont really lose dmg by taking ct

yeha, but if everyone says that they dont need too do aoe dmg cus somebody else does it

nobody does

[halcyon kayak]

outside of the opener, just use exsang on cd so long as you have a fresh rupture up?

[worn ginkgo]

Do you need to have at least 2x SS trait to use exsanguinate ?

or will 1 do?

[coarse slate]

i ran pb for zek'voz heroic and ended up top DPS. it works fine

[halcyon kayak]

and garrote

[blissful hull]

How is sin aoe vs sub burst?

[stuck shuttle]

sin aoe vs sub burst

what

[glacial jasper]

@sudden brook except its prolly a downgrade or a sidegrade

[sudden brook]

theres no way 45 ilvls are a sidegrade

unless its ss maybe

[blissful hull]

@stuck shuttle sin aoe vs sub aoe ...

[glacial jasper]

i got the same shoulders at 370 and its a downgrade for me against 340

[stuck shuttle]

sin aoe takes more ramp up time

[glacial jasper]

traits are everything

[stuck shuttle]

not as good on adds that die fast

better for M+

[coarse slate]

i think sub aoe is probably more consistent. but as sin, rogues of both other specs are not beating me on DPS in mythic+ or raid unless i really screw up

[stuck shuttle]

@glacial jasper it depends on your gear really

losing 1xSS if you have 3 already is ok

losing 1xSS leaving you with none is a no no

[glacial jasper]

for a trait that is zero single target dmg, i think not

sims agree

[stuck shuttle]

oh he got that shoulder

maybe not lol

[glacial jasper]

i got the same one

i was salty

even for outlaw its a break even

with 30ilvls

i might use for the stam

<

[floral moat]

diference on toxic blade and exanguinate?

[severe niche]

exsang pumps harder

its pretty gear dependant though

for which is better

[floral moat]

70dmg diff

[final stone]

sim yo self

[severe niche]

exsang is more burst

im doing exsang atm

but thats because it sims about 300 dps higher for me

[stuck shuttle]

exsang is more effective on shorter flights

[delicate gull]

For me TB sims like exactly the same, but probably because I have 2 SS And 1 Twist Blade. 13.8k DPS

[half prawn]

question

when looking at the ss version of the guide (rotation)

[final stone]

yeah exsan sims lower for me

[half prawn]

it says to garrote twice out of vanish

is that because its the msot cost effective way of getting cp?

[stuck shuttle]

yes

and u fully pandemic the SS buffed garrote

[boreal compass]

what more reliable between raidbots and simcraft?

[half prawn]

I see, then why do we garrote rupture garrote opener instead of double garrote?

[severe niche]

they both use the same apl

[half prawn]

is it because we want rupture up as fast as possible?

[stuck shuttle]

because you pandemic both garrote and rupture

and u also get EP running

on your opener

for 10% damage

or w/e it is

[severe niche]

you double garrote twice out of vanish because you dont need to rupture since you have an exsang one with 6-8 secs left already

if you talking about exsang opener

so you should be 0 combo points

then vanish garrote garrote

into envenom

[half prawn]

thanks im gonna test it now and see if I have any more questions

[severe niche]

np

[nimble tartan]

are people running deepr strat or vigor for exsdang m+ 😃

[severe niche]

vigor

[faint gull]

I'm thinking of swapping to sin since I'm simming sin pretty much even with sub having bad gear for sin.

[half prawn]

I see the opener makes perfect sense ofr me now

[faint gull]

has anything changed from the beginning of the expansion, is SS still bugging?

[final stone]

@severe niche you hordie?

[hybrid harness]

should I leave exsanguinate off cd if I have a vendetta coming up in 15-20 sec?

[severe niche]

ye

[stuck shuttle]

you should line up exsang with vanish+vend every time

[severe niche]

depends tbh ^

its all about fight length

using 2nd exsang on cd isnt a waste if your vanish garrote wil lstill full tick

its the same damage

since it just shortens the time on the target

[stuck shuttle]

yes

1st and 3rd exang line up

2nd will be used as close to on cd

based on your bleed timings when it comes off CD

your 3rd exsang timing should be around 2:20

with vanish and vendetta up

[summer tapir]

Do you all think I should use a 390 Cannonball Runner or a 370 Construct Overcharger?

[stuck shuttle]

so 3rd one you most likely have to delay

[summer tapir]

not sure if i'll get consistent damage from the Cannonball runner

[dusk valve]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[stuck shuttle]

cannonball is trash tier

[severe niche]

^

[stuck shuttle]

lol

[severe niche]

i got a 380 cannonball from my cache

little tilted

[stuck shuttle]

no matter what ilvl

[obtuse island]

Finally got the 3x SS

[jagged kindle]

+10 385 Azerite Shoulders this morning. Downgrade across all three specs vs 340 shoulders. Assassin hit the worst because of SS trait loss.... best expac ever.

[severe niche]

355 galecallers and fathoms is still better

[obtuse island]

It’s time to swap for sure

[severe niche]

for me

[summer tapir]

yeah my cache was 390 cannonball. so go with the Construct?

i also have 355 galecallers

[stuck shuttle]

yup

galecallers > construct

even at 355

well sim wise atleast

the raid trinkets this tier are pretty bad

they may buff them in the future

[summer tapir]

cool. So i'll pair the galecallers and the Construct.

[severe niche]

dungeons actaully like 10x easier this week to so

already done 2 10's and its breeze

[lilac coral]

can't wait to get some more poison wire out of my cache after work

[deft locust]

got it boys

https://gyazo.com/76dc1b68118001f07bb15893b951b0b3

3rd reroll

[severe niche]

gz

[deft locust]

but it happened

[stuck shuttle]

nice

[final stone]

@severe niche what build you running for +s

[severe niche]

https://gyazo.com/ddddcca9adabdcb91b40dad9b71949ef

i have a lock and warrior so ct isnt really needed

but i still keep up with them

if not do more

most pulls

on trash

2 ss and a lazer matrix atm for me too

the trash just flops this week so

[hollow stone]

Iron wire over prey? Huh.

[severe niche]

ye

the silsnce is just great

[hollow stone]

My group would be salt

[severe niche]

for most mobs

[final stone]

sweet! yeah i havent done much with ct yet cause of last weeks affixs lol

[hollow stone]

"But our extra deeps!"

[tough whale]

370 construct overcharger

aka expulsom

[stuck shuttle]

i think they will buff raid trinkets

they probably undertuned them on purpose

[thin ingot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cfqWLMGUoz24Eod3QTvW7H

exsang just pulling .9% ahead

dont know if its worth the trouble

of managing another cd

[shadow token]

how is it another cd?

[thin ingot]

and possibly fucking up me rotation

[shadow token]

either tb or xsang

either way manage a cd

[thin kernel]

same here but cant seem to perform better with it

[devout moth]

what should i sim with 351 as sin?

[thin ingot]

tb is just a press on cd button

exsang needs some setup

[stuck shuttle]

exsang is better on shorter fights

@devout moth really depends on your gear setup

or i should say *its a lot better than TB on shorter fights"

[shadow token]

i don't see how setting up for xsang coming off cd is that hard compared to playing sub

[tough whale]

its .9% on patchwerk

but itll massivley pull ahead on fights with expose on it

mother/fetid/ghuun

[stuck shuttle]

^

[devout moth]

i'll link my sim in a sec @stuck shuttle i am not sure how to optimize my dps on M+'s and how to use exgan properly. Could u give me some tips?

[final stone]

i need to sim exsan on like 2min sims to see which is better with my set up over tb

[noble dove]

does envenom stack?

[final stone]

brb

[tough whale]

it pandemics

[stuck shuttle]

@devout moth get 3xSS, garrote 3 mobs eahc pull, profit

spam FoK

rupture

[hollow stone]

Anything that requires any planning, whether minimal or extensive, is still "harder" by the strictest definition than something that takes no planning

[stuck shuttle]

CT/envenom depending on your talent setup

[hollow stone]

I think thats all he meant

[devout moth]

can't seem to get my 3rd SS

[stuck shuttle]

2x is still a lot of damage

[sleek iron]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vExGsQpNgiuK4KkjEK2SzH

[stuck shuttle]

for m+

[tough whale]

I put together 4 leather just for my helm

[sleek iron]

exsang 0.1% more dps for me

[final stone]

i mean foxy is using 2xss and matrix and bring the heat

[devout moth]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bTBpzgwuebmBRjdF4FvhkE

this is my current setup

[tough whale]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5qeC68rNfnbgkmth7R1nSn

[final stone]

im going to make an all leather group as well !

whos ally that wants to join me

😄

[stuck shuttle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tfUFYaC3T7HhxccMfPDfLV

[sleek iron]

my assas sims 13.86 but my sub sims 14.1

[stuck shuttle]

different between TB and exsang

for 3 mins

way more than .9%

[tough whale]

and thats not counting expose

[stuck shuttle]

^

most fights, atleast in M+s, won't be 5 mins

and in raids, if youre looking for parses, 5 mins won't be that common

[copper hedge]

BiS M+ talents?

[stuck shuttle]

unless it's mythic obv

[sleek iron]

hexktix

why does a shorter boss time influence exsang over tb?

[thin ingot]

so

the opener with exsang

[stuck shuttle]

because exsang is huge burst

[thin ingot]

would be garrote-garrote-rupt-exsang?

[stuck shuttle]

with 3xSS

[safe matrix]

its in the guide

[stuck shuttle]

its g r g m v r exsang

i mean g r g v m r exsang

[wispy estuary]

RNGesus help me with the drops today, only 1xSS yet =/

[safe matrix]

Garrote
Rupture
Garrote
Vendetta
Mutilate
Rupture
Exsanguinate

yeah so basically what hecktix said

[noble dove]

envenom pandemics 30%?

[final stone]

well there it is. exsan is better for me on like 3min sims over tb

[stuck shuttle]

it should be for everyone

if you have atleast 2xss

2xSS*

[devout moth]

@stuck shuttle how do u sims so high?

[stuck shuttle]

that is a 3 min sim

not a 5 min

[sleek iron]

uldir bosses within 3min?

[stuck shuttle]

its possible

[tough whale]

fetid can be killed under 3m

[safe matrix]

generally the standard sim is 5m because then its easy to compare against other characters