#assassination

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soft island
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Wow. Helpful feelings

glacial jasper
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Thought it was 2 with chance of three

violet spear
glacial jasper
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One. Normal one azerite

violet spear
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i only got 1 azerite

glacial jasper
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Ic

violet spear
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most people only getting 1 item

raven mica
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Hi yes, BiS sub piece for 4, alex.

hollow stone
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Oh blizzard

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Its like they didnt learn from legendaries

nocturne cradle
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anyone know why the APL sequence uses Galecallers boon after the second Garotte? I was under the impression it snapshotted. Unless rupture is the only spell that snapshots?

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hollow stone
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Cant farm az in m+. Cant farm it in raid. Dont get guaranteed az in weekly cache. How we sposta get our bis az pieces? Sheer luck?

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Yay

torpid sluice
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Good system right?

olive peak
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is it worth to go for Exsanguinate on raids or better do toxic blade?

zealous niche
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It doesn’t snapshot

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I was under the impression no dots snapshot anymore

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Except for the initial damage increase from the talent

nocturne cradle
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I was told otherwise yesterday

hazy sphinx
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How much haste do we need for sin to be playable

dry trail
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so, shrouded sufo managed to remain unnerfed... I'm not even mad, that's amazing

mint osprey
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Whats the conquest item for the week bros

merry sparrow
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an axe for me :c

mint osprey
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dangit another weapon

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ffs

mossy hazel
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The axe is a place holder I've heard. It will be spec specific from the pvp rewards I belive

little warren
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It's a chest piece for me

hazy sphinx
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How are people getting 370 conquest weapons?

mint osprey
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Zid, be 1800 and have them warforge

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1800_

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ez pz

hazy sphinx
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Dude didn't have em warforged though, they were just 370 ilvl

raven scaffold
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2100

mint osprey
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Oh yea

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from the best

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chest*

stuck shuttle
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you can get an item that upgrades pvp items to 360-370

mint osprey
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2100 is 370 base

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for weekly cache

stuck shuttle
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pretty sure you get higher than 370 for 2100

sand whale
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woot 380 dagger my second ever dagger drop

woven dragon
stuck shuttle
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ye 380 for 2100

raven scaffold
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Best spec for mythics and best one for uldir? Is TB good on both or?

mint osprey
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TB is good

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Exsang is good

soft island
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@nocturne cradle exa snapshots not the dots

torpid sluice
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Prefer TB for dungeons and Exsanq for raiding, but tbh both work for both scenarios :c

raven scaffold
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Aight, i play sub but want to try sin tonight

umbral crescent
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sin is way more fun than sub imo :P

raven scaffold
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And the other channel says the opposite ;)

hollow stone
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Sin has less apm than sub. So if you really like pushing buttons stay sub. The specs are so close atm

undone cairn
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Any luck with weekly chests?

hollow stone
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So apart from being super lucky w your weekly chest, our "bis" azerite pieces (ones with ss) is a 340, a 355 from world boss, and a 385 from mythic raiding

grizzled harness
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So the first MM+15 was done with a Sin in it

hollow stone
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Great model, blizz

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No. It was a sub rogue

woven dragon
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Azerite is shit

wheat zealot
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Ashine is sub

hollow stone
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Affl lock, arms warr, sub rogue

heavy trail
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@hollow stone he ran sub in ad 1t timed

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He was sin in the fh +16 attempt

cunning rapids
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when exang comes off cd, do I full pandemic rupture in the middle?

hollow stone
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Yea. The 15ad that was cleared he was sub

wheat zealot
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Before weekly chest "azerite system is way better then lego system guys" after chest "azerite is the worst system, shit system, shit game" OMEGALUL

grizzled harness
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Alright then the french article wrote that wrong

undone cairn
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Fax

grizzled harness
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Stupid French.

hollow stone
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Haha, so true tho. We all thought we were guaranteed an az piece from weekly chest. This isnt the case. Now we have lego rng again with az pieces lol

woven dragon
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Nothing is worse than the lego system but this isn’t much better

hollow stone
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Its pretty much the same thing

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Might even be worse since you need 3 az pieces and theres a ton of trait possibilities

vagrant brook
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do you take CT or PB for m+?

balmy condor
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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
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I would read that wranguth

dusk valve
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
hollow stone
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Ct over pb IN GENERAL for m+

nocturne gate
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which race do u guys recommend for pve (raids) on alliance side( i mean not only for dps also utility and so on)

hollow stone
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For sin, races make very little dps difference so thats a nonissue. I would play human but i dont have any good reason why other than human female best char model in wow

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If shadowmeld gets you another ss emp garr, then ne is best. But i dont think it does

nocturne gate
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im switching from horde and im not sure which race i should play (currently i wait for kul tiras bc i dont like my guild and want to switch anyways)

hollow stone
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Im horde. Clearly.

pure sand
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With Shrouded Suffocation bugged you shouldn't use it twice out of stealth?

tidal jetty
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!ss

prisma monolithBOT
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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

hollow stone
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You should be running subterfuge and should be using garrs within your subt window

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So yes. You would double garr in st within your subt window

proven ice
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3 casts. Then none for 18 seconds

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Or 2 if you’re single target

silver egret
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i assume thats just for the pandemic window on an empowered garrote right?

proven ice
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What is?

tidal jetty
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aye, and cheap cp

balmy condor
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Correct

silver egret
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bet

restive path
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When do u use ct and exsang for multitarget ?

balmy condor
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Exsang should be used independently of ct in multitarget

proven ice
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Gar gar gar ct

balmy condor
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Use it on big adds you need to blow up

bleak river
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Crimson target takes prio over rupture right? In m+ packs

balmy condor
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Yes

proven ice
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Yeas. With 3+

balmy condor
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Just for the dot portion though, don’t spam ct

bold hearth
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Looks like Bloodmallet hasn't been updated with the Exsang build that's top right now and Hero Damage doesn't have stat distributions, anyone have a rough idea what stat priority is?

balmy condor
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Sim yo self

bleak river
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And fok at 2+ targets? But does it work like the sub fok cause it's not always generating combo points it should

bold hearth
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I'm swapping over from sub, trying to figure out in general what gear I should be swapping.

balmy condor
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But generally

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Haste

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Everywhere everything

spice surge
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The pins has it very clearly

bold hearth
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Okay that's all I needed to know, the pins don't specify if that stat priority is Exsang or TB

balmy condor
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@bleak river fok generates 1 + cp for every crit

spice surge
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Because its both

restive path
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So should I use gar gar gar ct rupture exsang ?

bold hearth
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Bloodmallet has TB as prefering Mastery

sudden canyon
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did blizz change the m+ loot

balmy condor
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@restive path sure

sudden canyon
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or did i get unlucky and only get 1 piece

balmy condor
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If you mean to fok in between the ct and the rupture

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Unlucky

deft locust
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how are you

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ggg then ct

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THEN RUPT

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O.o

balmy condor
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He probably means generate in between

proven ice
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I got 1 piece from both 😦

old rain
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Has anyone made a spreadsheet or something that shows where to get azerite pieces with shrouded Suffocation? 😄

balmy condor
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Chill

deft locust
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ahh

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I wasn't worked up

restive path
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What do u mean? I have full cp on opener

deft locust
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I was just asking lol

balmy condor
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Okay nvm he has no idea

spice surge
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m+ chest & fetid/pvp @old rain

deft locust
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rip

restive path
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Yeah I have no idea. Sorry I swapped from sub

mossy flicker
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does any rogue spec makes a huge difference in MM+? or the three specs are ok?

restive path
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And I have 3 ss traits

deft locust
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all g

balmy condor
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@restive path gar gar gar makes full cp, you spend all of them on ct, then you have none for rupture

old rain
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340 pvp pieces has it?

deft locust
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ct takes cp

restive path
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Ohhh okay

balmy condor
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You need to generate after the ct

spice surge
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One 355 head from dino world boss aswell, but otherwise you need to get lucky to get a 370 or higher from your chest for SS on shoulders/helm

restive path
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I thought it was like tb I haven’t used it yet

proven ice
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Did the war front quest reset

balmy condor
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Shouldn’t have

bold hearth
old rain
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Was thinking of starting @340 pieces since i only have 1 piece with it 😒

spice surge
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freehold/siege/shrine

muted jacinth
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they really haven't fixed ss?

balmy condor
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They have not fixed ss

bold hearth
old rain
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oh thanks alot!

bold hearth
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Yep, just click on a trait and the items that have that trait will appear on the right side.

old rain
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yeah i just found out, had no idea this existed! highly appreciate the help mate!

faint vault
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Toxic Blade or Exsan? Exsan seems to sim higher but Toxic seems to be the most popular.

neat beacon
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I got an Azerite hat out of my PvP chest, but it has 0 traits. Anyone see anything similar this morning?

spring vale
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Hello everyone I'm not understaning the guide opener, what is Suffered Suffocation

storm eagle
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Azerite power

faint vault
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It's a trait

silver egret
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shrouded suffocation is a trait

strange maple
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Is it bad to have triple ss lol?

storm eagle
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No

faint vault
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Toxic Blade or Exsan?

frozen karma
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Sim it

neat beacon
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Sim it

faint vault
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Exsan is simming higher but a lot of people are using Toxic.

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I was just wondering why

frozen karma
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how much is higher?

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sub 100 or over that?

neat beacon
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Exsang scales really well

strange python
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
fresh ginkgo
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anyone gotten more than one item from their chest ?

frozen karma
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@fresh ginkgo They hotfixed that apparently, only one item now

strange python
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which one of the 5 wa do you recommand guys ? !=)

final stone
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@faint vaultdepends on your gear like for me I sim better with toxic over exsa

fresh ginkgo
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Wait what? I thought it was a thing getting more than one item

storm eagle
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Nope only one

frozen karma
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Not anymore, wowhead says otherwise in one of their latest posts

fresh ginkgo
storm eagle
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it said 1 to 3 but they basically just said its 1

neat beacon
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Also, exsang will do better if you have multiple SS traits, too

meager knoll
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I noticed someone said that the bis azerite sin gear is 340, 355 and 385? it's just anything with SS, right?

faint vault
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It only sims like 20 higher.

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20 DPS higher

meager knoll
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and you also have to use it properly to actually get that 20DPS increase

faint vault
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True

fresh ginkgo
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my 370 gear is better than my 340SS if im able to use the 2nd tier trait

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only 21 lvl atm

frozen karma
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It's like 150-200 for me

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so I use it

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but at 20 dps just pick whatever you prefer

nimble gulch
mossy hazel
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I was really upset that my uldir chest piece from last night was an upgrade over my SS chest piece... Now I only have 1 SS again..

frozen karma
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An upgrade is an upgrade I guess lol

mossy hazel
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Laser is kind of cool trait though I guess

frozen karma
tidal jetty
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SS is also far and beyond stronger in m+

storm eagle
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laser?

frozen karma
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Haven't opened my m+/pvp chests yet

woven dragon
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That’s one nice ass sim

mossy hazel
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I don't remember the specific name on it, but it's the Uldir specific trait from Ga'huun

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the one that activates reorigination array in uldir raid

proven ice
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They all do that

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There's lazer matrix or the other one

mossy hazel
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Laser matrix, that's the one

strange python
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so is the SS damage increase to every tick of garrote?

mossy hazel
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Yes

ripe geyser
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@proven ice If I garrote 3 mobs with my SS traits, should I garrote the 4th mob with a non stealth garrote or does that break the trait?

meager knoll
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what's the deal with reorigination arrays?

proven ice
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No, that's the bug, don't do that.

meager knoll
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don't do that!

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!SS

prisma monolithBOT
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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

mossy hazel
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I'm not sure yet actually I was about to look it up

muted jacinth
ripe geyser
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Alright then I know why i've fucked up my dps lately

muted quarry
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toxic blades is about 200 more DPS for me

mossy hazel
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Reorigination array increases secondary stat

woeful wraith
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I ran it through all of EN cause AP was braindead, but I really am not feeling it specifically with on-use boon, doesn't feel right

thorn crater
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wait what

spring vale
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are we supposed to Exsanguinate on CD?

thorn crater
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that is too much for ur ilvl

woeful wraith
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stat prio my man

spring vale
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Guide doesn't say, I suppose not but just to be sure

thorn crater
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what ilvl are ur daggers

woeful wraith
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355/350

meager knoll
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save it for vanish+vendetta afaik

woeful wraith
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u can click o n the link and see gear...

meager knoll
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but you can use it once between that window

thorn crater
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ah ok

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im stuck with 345 ones

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44 runs of keystones

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zero daggers dropped

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XD

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trying to stay positive

frozen karma
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How much haste % you have?

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@woeful wraith

woeful wraith
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i think 19 now

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maybe 18, idk im at work so i just through on new ring

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threw rather

ripe geyser
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pog

woeful wraith
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pogger

ripe geyser
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troll masterrace, thumbnail is bugged

meager knoll
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anyone see why I'm so low compared to yall?

proven ice
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traits and stats.

ripe geyser
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^

woeful wraith
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crimson tempest

tight meteor
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we didnt get nerfed right

woeful wraith
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switch to poison bomb

meager knoll
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I have 2SS

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I guess that's better for ST, yes

tight meteor
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why do i feel like im doing less damage or im playing worse than earlier

frozen karma
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I'm high ilvl but just switch from sub to sin but now my vers is way too high and mastery/haste too low

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Haste at 12% only

woeful wraith
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for sims unless you're doing 3 patchworks use pb

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also you don't have many socketed items which is why you'll be a little lower

meager knoll
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I'm at 17.78% and haste is still my top stat

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so you got a long way to go there aroundthaworld 😄

tight meteor
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dont think it ever becomes not best

woeful wraith
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galecallers boon also adds a lot to sim

frozen karma
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Well Josh has crit over haste

meager knoll
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yeah, I'll try to get that one, and SS shoulders from freehold

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that should increase my dps quite a bit I guess

frozen karma
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My vers is at 6 so it's probly why my other stats are meh

zealous lily
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my sim jumped 900 dps

tight meteor
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:/

woeful wraith
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damn

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i retire

tight meteor
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not just any ss

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bis ss

stuck shuttle
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jesus

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a 385 SS

zealous lily
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i'm prepared to get nothing but duplicates for the rest of the expansion

stuck shuttle
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thats fat

blazing snow
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if you're stuck with shitty daggers, pvp is the way. I got the 345 dagger, at 1400 this week it gave me an item to boost one dreadful item. Could use it on my dagger

zealous lily
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385 SS/heed... can't play the other specs now but who cares?

blazing snow
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So I have a 365 mainhand from pvp

stuck shuttle
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that assumes they can get to 1400

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and get to 1600 for the boost item

blazing snow
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you don't lose rating on the way to 1400

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so if you can't get there through sheer perserverence

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somethings off

zealous lily
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yeah you can get 1600 in yolo groups practically

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just find some dude don't even need voice

blazing snow
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the item I got was from 1400 not 1600, as well

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I got 0-1400 in an hour and a half in 2's with a bm hunter

zealous lily
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i should have done that last week i just didn't have time and really needed ring upgrades

blazing snow
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that's win/loss ~50%

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yah no voice either. Just pick a target before hand and go in hard. It's worth it for the weapon/weekly. This week's conquest is a 355 chest piece for me

mossy abyss
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guys in m+ on a big group is it worth to garrote rupture every target or should i do 1 or 2 and then envenom main target?

tight meteor
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garrote until your subterfuge runs out

north terrace
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You only want 3 targets garroted with subt unless the bug has been fixed

tight meteor
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what bug

north terrace
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The one listed at the bottom of the pins

lone junco
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If your 15sec opener is not 20-25k you fucked it up.

tight meteor
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oh right

lone junco
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M+

tight meteor
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i didnt know that

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you do garrote x3 ct?

zealous lily
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@lone junco your chats here have been really helpful to me especially about exsang and M+

tight meteor
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or garrote x3 rupt then rupt all

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literally just picked it up today

lost tree
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Musclebrah just did 40k dps AoE and here i am sitting at Sub and do ~20k xD

north terrace
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I would think CT then low cp ruptures on a bunch and then spam env in between ct refreshes

lone junco
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Ez.

zealous lily
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someone else can correct me but i garrote 3x rupture fok fok rupture fok fok rupture then fok fok CT maintain 3 rupture and CT refresh at 2 secs

lone junco
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G g g Ct FOk FOK r.

wheat zealot
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Nah ct becore ruptures

zealous lily
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ok then listen to him instead

lone junco
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Unless vendetta exsang prio.

tight meteor
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fokfok rup then fokfok rupt all the targets?

lone junco
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G g g Ct. vendetta mut mut r. Exsang.

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Rupture elites. After that ham on Ct.

rough knoll
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ct on 2?

tight meteor
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like overlap it?

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for ct

lone junco
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Afk. Work

real sonnet
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Does assassination use Exsanguinate on CD after first use?

mint osprey
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sort of

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you want to line up the 3rd or 4th with vanish vendetta

strange python
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Thought you lined them up around 220

lone junco
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Yes.

north terrace
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So hold vanish for exs, not the other way around right?

lone junco
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You need to delay 3rd for vanish. Or delay vanish for 4th.

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It depends on vuln phasing.

twilit zealot
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With the nerfs to sub and outlaw is assassination viable now?

lone junco
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It's always been viable.

north terrace
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Sin was like the 7th or 8th best spec, it has been really good lol

lone junco
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Profile was wrong apl.

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It is now synced with/use trinket at 220.

spring vale
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what dungeons should I spam for SS traits?

lone junco
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No buffs or nerfs

north terrace
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I meant in the raid

twilit zealot
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ermmm everywhere ive read and even here everyone keeps saying go sub sooooo thats why im curious if its good to swap back to assasin

safe matrix
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Who says that

spice surge
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Azerite doesnt drop from m+ @spring vale So you could do m0 for them, and spam hcs

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But not m+

frozen karma
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does it matter if I use the boon trinket before or after a bleed

safe matrix
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If anything around here people tell you to play what you want

lone junco
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Yes.

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GC must be before exsang.

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It snapshots haste values.

spice surge
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@frozen karma No, but it matters that you use it before exsang

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Only exsang snapshots

mint osprey
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Does anyone know what traits the PvP Tunic (Chest) has?

north terrace
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So you use 3rd GC with ven/vanish/exs right?

spice surge
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One of them has SS @mint osprey

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theres two different ones

north terrace
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Or do you just hold exs for gc every time?

lone junco
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GC is 1 min.

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Use at open. 1min exsang. And 220

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Means hold exsang for 100

paper bough
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is assa easier to manage than sub ?

north terrace
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Exs is 45 sec right?

lone junco
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After 220 apparently sync and delays are a loss.

paper bough
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currently play sub and wanted to know if managing assa cds is easier

lone junco
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Yes.

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Sin m+ is absurdly easy.

paper bough
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what makes sin harder in raid

north terrace
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220 sec?

strange python
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2:20

lone junco
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Sin raid is timing vanish 45 sec and boss windows.

strange python
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2 mins 20 secs

olive peak
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after the opener do we NOT vanish but continue normal rotation and wait for exhang to vanish>? or just vanish after first exhang is over?

lone junco
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Yeah. Check apl sample for timings.

shut viper
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Whaat is the point of garrote twice?

north terrace
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So after the 2m20s you go into using on cd basically

lone junco
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Scroll through apl timings.

strange python
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@shut viper pandemic

lilac coral
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you get some additional time on the emp garrote

lone junco
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Should be able to read it

worn ginkgo
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is there a list of bis drops for az gear?

olive pagoda
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Guys i have a question i am just doing like 9k dps as a Assa Rogue my traits arent that good. I have heard that with shrouded suffocation traits i will do like 12k dps single target dmg is that true ?

strange python
lone junco
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And cheap cps for 4cp rupture.

abstract crescent
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sin feels week in dps at pve

hushed turtle
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You may be doing it wrong then

stuck shuttle
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my recount says differently

dawn merlin
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weaaaakk??

strange python
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@abstract crescent lol

dawn merlin
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slowe for sure

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slower*

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definitely not weak

strange python
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Sin is rather decent.

true aurora
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Slow is fine though. It’s a very forgiving spec, compared to sub

abstract crescent
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outlaw feels trash atm

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sin i'm never top dps anymore

lone junco
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Ok.

frozen karma
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I've fucked up more in Sin so far than Sub tbh

olive pagoda
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is someone using shrouded suffocation traits ?

abstract crescent
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this priest wa shitting on me lol

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@olive pagoda yes SS in all 3

paper bough
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i picked up sub and started doing decently after 2 weeks of playing it in dungeons

lone junco
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Everyone should be using 2 -3 SS

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Tbh

paper bough
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hoping assa is easier

stuck shuttle
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unless u have heroic azerite gear

olive pagoda
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@abstract crescent how mutch dmg are you doing in pve single target with them ?

stuck shuttle
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like me D:

brisk imp
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is the bug still in effect? refreshing killing SS effect on other targets?

lone junco
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In m+ all 3ss.

stuck shuttle
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yes @brisk imp

olive pagoda
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How is the dmg from 3 ss ?

brisk imp
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good to know

paper bough
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what are the chances of ss getting nerfed

lilac coral
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i just stack thrash relics

paper bough
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to be more in line with other az traits

stuck shuttle
#

I am pulling ~17k ST

#

atleast in M+

olive pagoda
#

wtf 17k

brisk imp
#

I think the rule is going to be never get rid of azerite gear for the next 3 months

stuck shuttle
#

yee

abstract crescent
#

feels like bs

hollow flicker
#

so dont apply a garrote outside of subterfugr if ANY SS remain?

olive pagoda
#

i have like 10 azerite piece 340 none of them have SS why ?

stuck shuttle
#

unlucky

brisk imp
#

because they're not from freehold, sos, or underrot?

olive pagoda
#

is it rng ? or do i need to farm special dungeons ?

stuck shuttle
#

farm shrine

#

and freehold

brisk imp
#

azerite traits are not rng, look up where the pieces you need drop from

woven dragon
#

Not rng specific traits on specific gear from dungeon

gleaming canopy
#

I understand I need to "pool energy" but I'm not exactly sure what I am pooling for. My understanding has been that I am pooling energy so that I can mutilate twice while my envenom buff is up so I can get extra poison applications. Is that correct?

olive pagoda
#

ok ty

slender smelt
#

!azerite

prisma monolithBOT
stuck shuttle
#

@gleaming canopy pool before TB

#

maximize EP uptime

#

thats what pooling is

#

not just blindly spamming mutilate as soon as you ahve the energy

vernal sinew
#

guys u know if there is any WA for track SS?

stuck shuttle
#

no

#

there is no aura for it

vernal sinew
#

ill try to make myslef but dont work

dusky fulcrum
lone junco
#

@gleaming canopy pooling is not for mut applications during env. It is mostly to slow down prior to tb. And then dump 2-3env during tb window.

golden mulch
lone junco
#

Outlaw is better in daily heroic

dusky fulcrum
#

HAHA, daily heroic

#

that is for peasents

lone junco
#

G g g Ct. FOK tab ruptures.

olive pagoda
#

@dusky fulcrum do you have ss traits ?

dusky fulcrum
#

i only have 1 sadly

#

i tried to grind but got 0

#

i got my 3rd deadshot 1 hour after they announced nerf

olive pagoda
#

We will get a nerf 20% for pve right ?

#

is this ture ?

dusky fulcrum
#

its all good tho i was sin in legion

stuck shuttle
#

not true

#

wtf

lone junco
#

@golden mulch what is his opener?

dusky fulcrum
#

sin gets 0 nerf

#

only outlaw and subtlety

olive pagoda
#

i have heard all rogue specs are getting 20% nerf

woven dragon
#

?????

stuck shuttle
#

20%?

dusky fulcrum
#

lmao

lone junco
#

Outlaw raidbots are live.

dusky fulcrum
#

no

olive pagoda
#

yes

#

pve

stuck shuttle
#

no way thats happening

dusky fulcrum
#

they lied to u

magic sail
#

I feel like all the sin traits are pretty lackluster. Haven’t tried SS cause the damage seems negligible in longer fights but I guess I’ll have to give it a shot now

woven dragon
#

Lmao

paper bough
#

until 2 weeks from now when SS gets nerfed because its head and shoulders above the rest

lone junco
#

DS nerf. Outlaw nerf.

dusky fulcrum
#

feels sin man

woven dragon
#

20% would take us out of the game 🤔

olive pagoda
#

@paper bough where do you know that

golden mulch
tacit crater
#

20% nerf? They want us to feel the pain of fire mages with those kinda numbers.

strange python
#

lol

#

20% nerf

#

as if

paper bough
#

from the past 10 years of anticipating blue posts and playing wow

strange python
#

Might as well quit the class then haha

#

Would literally be bottom tier all specs

paper bough
#

if they nerfed ss?

strange python
#

nooo

#

if they did a flat 20% nerf on everything

stuck shuttle
#

if they nerfed us 20%

paper bough
#

im anticipating a nerf to SS

zealous lily
#

theyre going to nerf our best trait

stuck shuttle
#

that would be absolute dog shit

zealous lily
#

then when there's another best trait

strange python
#

oh yeah SS will be nerfed

zealous lily
#

they'll nerf that and buff another one

strange python
#

But SS will still be good

zealous lily
#

so you will have to keep farming forever until you cancel sub

paper bough
#

more likely they will nerf ss

#

and not buff anything

#

and something like heed my call

#

will be bis

strange python
#

they don't like good traits

paper bough
#

or thunderous blast

#

or something awful

dusky fulcrum
#

soo.. what did u americans get in ur +10 key

strange python
#

heed my call is a lower tier than SS though 🤔

dusky fulcrum
#

thanks for beta testing for us EU players btw

zealous lily
#

really they should just delete the shitty traits and remake them from ground up. there are so many stupid traits for all 3 specs

paper bough
#

much more likely scenario that some dumper trait becomes bis

olive egret
#

when it says "Vanish when Garrote runs out" does that mean when garrote hits 0 or < 5.4?

strange python
#

Blizz should just quit

zealous lily
#

the only good traits are the ones that are self evidently not awful

dusky fulcrum
#

completely runs out jacksontown

strange python
#

This whole expac is going to be a fucking disaster

olive egret
#

ty @dusky fulcrum

zealous lily
#

the people making traits are probably casuals who play on tablet

dusky fulcrum
#

did u know that in early alpha the last trait was specific to that exact piece of loot?

zealous lily
#

i like the dungeon content. but a lot of the systems are very badly thought out

strange python
#

Everything feels like it's made by someone with a checklist

dusky fulcrum
#

now its +5 ilvls

strange python
#

It's so fucking uninspired

#

"At least 30 traits per class" so they come up with super boring "safe" passive shit

#

And the stuff that's actually kinda exciting or changes gameplay, like Deadshot, gets nerfed because it invariable ends up better

#

or Test of Might

#

So we all end up with cookie cutter passive BS

dusky fulcrum
#

i hit 1 mil gold just a few days ago, if blizzard doesnt make a mobile/xbox/ps port of wow before 2020 im buying all the poseidons on the AH and destroy them

paper bough
#

ToM was nerfed?

strange python
#

in pvp iirc

lilac coral
#

banking on SS getting nerfed, hence why they haven't fucked with the bug

dusky fulcrum
#

every exp the games feel more and more like a console game

strange python
#

the bug is the nerf

#

Haha supra that's an interesting MO

dusky fulcrum
#

^ lol

strange python
#

HAHA I hope it is

dusky fulcrum
#

it wouldnt surprise me

strange python
#

We honestly shouldn't even talk about the bug

paper bough
#

i play arms next to my rogue but im seriously considering switching to assa

strange python
#

So they don't look at SS

#

and decide to nerf it

dusky fulcrum
#

"can u fix it?" - yeah but it'll take 10 days "its intended"

strange python
#

And leave the bug

#

everyone and their mother plays SS now, of course they'll nerf it

#

The bug is okay to live with as long as SS stays as it is lmao

paper bough
#

and if they do nerf it, all the fotms swapping from sub and outlaw to assa

#

will once again

tough whale
#

our druid got the ss helm out of his cache

paper bough
#

go sub

strange python
#

The BitS nerf was the cheapest though

paper bough
#

lol

strange python
#

Wasn't even in the patch notes

dusky fulcrum
#

Hey guys Snakeeyes is the bugged trait right?! right?! 😉

strange python
#

Just 10% off it

#

Along with the pvp nerf

#

So odd

dusky fulcrum
#

oh and btw i lied i have 3 ss traits 😦 i didnt want u to bully me

lilac coral
#

if they want to uhhh, make dagger in the back the new BiS i wouldn't be opposed

strange python
#

it's boring

vocal viper
#

tehy're all boring

dusky fulcrum
#

Filthy transfusion confirmed new bis trait!

lilac coral
#

or perhaps tidal surge, aka dagger in the back but with water

strange python
#

all the traits are boring

#

some less than others

dusky fulcrum
#

you liked poison bomb so i put another poison bomb inside ur poison bomb

strange python
#

passives 😃

#

Ace, Snek, SS, BitS and DS are all at least spec-specific and a bit more interesting than the neutral passive BS

#

The final tier shouldn't have been +5 ilvl 😴

keen spruce
#

Assa survived yesterdays's hotfixes peepo

strange python
#

Should've been an additional ability

#

they got lazy

vocal viper
#

but imagine the anger if the best trait was locked behind a huge Island Expeditions Grind.

#

the world would be furious

zealous lily
#

Assassin sucks any high dps you see from an assassination rogue is a display bug

#

be sure to let everyone know how gimped and bad the spec is

#

no one should play it

vocal viper
#

Honeslty it's a problem caused by having super powerful Artifact weapons for as long as we did

strange python
#

Yeah

#

Sin is fucking dogshit right now

#

Especially the SS trait

#

It's just shot

#

what's assassination?

zealous lily
#

just terrible. SS? totally useless and bugged

strange python
#

dead spec lul

#

Mut is dead

tropic hull
#

yea assa sucks in any situation Kappa

vocal viper
#

at least the rogues know how to be subtle

zealous lily
#

rerolling to feral druid

lilac coral
#

DE all daggers

strange python
#

Yeah

#

Chadlaw or bust tbqh

#

omg playing fotm feral druid

#

disgusting

#

lol yeah

#

At least Outlaw is lower-tier

final stone
#

assa is so badd im going to reroll fire mage\

vocal viper
#

Chadlaw is my favorite Rogue meme

strange python
#

rogue is so fucking bad

#

Playing top-tier like Feral druid or Demo lock

#

fucking

#

FOTM

sand canyon
#

ASSA IS BAD OMEGALUL

#

/flame on

tropic hull
#

Mem lock you mean

lilac coral
#

chadlaw slaps the bosses ass and doesn't even stealth

dusky fulcrum
#

Man why did i reroll sin they are so bad omgg blizz pls buff

strange python
#

Yeah

#

having to vanish in combat to get more dps 😂 ishygddt

dusky fulcrum
#

i hate when i do that and then we wipe and i cannot vanish

tropic hull
#

pet caster spec . Look on the BM and look on demo LUL

strange python
#

BM is in a sad state too

dusky fulcrum
#

Bm was back at top performance and swiftly got nerfed because fuck bm hunters for some reason

strange python
#

playing melee at all

#

this game is just sad

hollow stone
#

Man, theres a lot more teal and yellow names in here these past few days

#

I wonder why that is

strange python
#

All fights are super favoured to ranged

dusky fulcrum
#

what does name color mean

#

i was here before but i quit and came back recently

strange python
#

Sub = teal

dusky fulcrum
#

WTF

strange python
#

Chadlaw = yellow

#

Sin = red

dusky fulcrum
#

i demand to become red

strange python
#

Red is a more chad colour

#

been considering changing

#

teal = 2 button spec

#

Despite still raiding as sub

#

red = dead spec

#

red = VERY dead spec

#

especially with the SS bug

lilac coral
#

teal = genji

strange python
#

yellow = OMEGALUL

dusky fulcrum
#

😄

#

I DID IT

tropic hull
#

let me just rerol bones for whole boss fight

dusky fulcrum
#

ye i did that during our 2% wipe on the ugly piece of shit that shot the great seal.. mythrax

final stone
#

nooo i need to be red too

slender sparrow
#

Anyone know what trait is on the conquest reward this week?

dusky fulcrum
#

if i didnt get cucked by rng we'd have killed it

strange python
#

Yellow = rtb truebearing rtb buriedtreasure rtb truebearing rtb truebearing rtb jollyroger rtb buriedtreasure rtb truebearing zerorogue feelings 😭

sand canyon
#

why is no one flaming me.. miss the old times gogo 💪

dusky fulcrum
#

that feels to real, glad im playing the real CHAD SPECC sin

sand canyon
#

popcorns are ready guys

strange python
#

sin FOTM

dusky fulcrum
#

imagine, if there was a trait that gave u 5% more chance to roll double buff, increasing to 8 and then 10 with 3/3 traits

#

🤔

strange python
#

imagine

tropic hull
#

why people play garbage spec? 🤔

strange python
#

if there was a trait

#

that guaranteed an extra buff

#

per trait

dusky fulcrum
#

LOL

strange python
#

😩 100rogue

dusky fulcrum
#

🔨

tropic hull
#

per trait sure

ripe geyser
#

Which 100 talent do you pref for m+? high keys

dusky fulcrum
#

POISON BOMBBBB

sand canyon
#

idk how ppl can play sin 🤔 need buffs on gar

dusky fulcrum
#

Guys why can i only garrote when i use my chad swords?! this spec sucks and needs remake! 😠

tropic hull
#

3 button spec

dusky fulcrum
#

vanish, prep, hearthstone

strange python
#

dude

abstract crescent
#

sin outlaw and sub suck since nerf

#

qq

strange python
#

When my mage friend who started playing arena with me after being inactive since Cata

#

Asked me

dusky fulcrum
#

sin sucks the most im so mad we got nerfed 80% 😠

strange python
#

"Why didn't you vanish again" during wpvp

#

I asked him "how"

final stone
#

does heed my call stack

dusky fulcrum
#

lol

strange python
#

"Don't you have prep"

#

RIP

dusky fulcrum
#

yees

final stone
#

or should you just have 1 trait

dusky fulcrum
#

check blood mallet fam

final stone
#

oh duhh

dusky fulcrum
#

oh shit now i outed myself as a previous outlaw main

#

👀

strange python
#

Heed my call is good

#

OP still bis though right

#

Christ OP is good

dusky fulcrum
#

ye OP is insane

#

i have 2 heed my call and 1 OP

#

😢

strange python
#

I have 1 HMC 1 OP 1 Unstable Flames

#

Basically the top 3 in a row lul

dusky fulcrum
#

why cant i have 3 OP's and 0 heed my calls!? cries in homer

strange python
#

Be happy you have HMC lol

#

2nd best both ST and MT

dusky fulcrum
#

hitmonchan?! ye he's nuts

nimble gulch
raven scaffold
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
nimble gulch
#

is this good for beginner ?

stuck shuttle
#

that trinket is ass

dusky fulcrum
#

i mean i had over 24 azerite pieces collected, so it wasnt that of a longshot to find atleast 3 SS's, but yeah i agree i was still lucky to have that

strange python
#

yeah

#

it's like

#

bottom tier

stuck shuttle
#

there are WQ trinkets that are better

tropic hull
#

got from m10 midas LUL

violet sonnet
#

Good thing that's the only thing i got out of my chest (:

strange python
#

it's trrrrash

dusky fulcrum
#

bruh, ur attacks turn into gold

strange python
#

lol

#

extra auto-attack damage dawg

dusky fulcrum
#

punch a dummy, collect gold, pay for boost in cutting edge

#

10/10 profit

lilac coral
#

turns your parses into grey

zealous lily
#

try simming the midas it's useless

tropic hull
#

10k damage per 1.30m OPOP

strange python
#

I got a 365 Golden Plumage

#

ok I guess

#

on-use vers tho 😴

undone cairn
#

I sleep

strange python
#

Basically a stat stick

dusky fulcrum
#

cant wait to get my 385 golden pumage tomorrow

undone cairn
#

395 dice or nothin boys

dusky fulcrum
#

#+10 freehold0loot

strange python
#

Galecaller's tho

undone cairn
#

Dice and gales

tropic hull
#

not enough dice for outlul

strange python
#

haha

#

Yeah

dusky fulcrum
#

my 355 fathoms beats my 340 dice in sims

strange python
#

Harlan's on outlaw is fun

dusky fulcrum
#

is that accurate?

undone cairn
#

Yeah it is

dusky fulcrum
#

cool!

undone cairn
#

Fathoms is strong

strange python
#

Sounds about right

undone cairn
#

For early stages

tropic hull
#

some guy ask me why i have 5 roll from trinket LUL

dusky fulcrum
#

well im off to bed, 38.9 degrees fever (celcius) and i got mythic raid in 23 hours 44 minutes

undone cairn
#

Lmao

dusky fulcrum
#

😴

strange python
#

Yeah

undone cairn
#

GL with your raid

strange python
#

Dice 769 @ 340

dusky fulcrum
#

ty fam u too, gl in chests

safe idol
#

So whats the best spec right now

#

after the nerf

strange python
#

Fathoms 940 @ 355

undone cairn
#

yeah pray I don't get some shit trinket

strange python
#

Uhh

#

Reroll Feral

#

Rogue is dead

umbral crescent
#

rip

dusky fulcrum
#

🐱

strange python
#

absolute bottom tier trash now

faint vault
#

Is Dice better than Spyglass? It seems that the sims are never accurate for me.

strange python
#

They're very close Key

faint vault
#

I have 340 versions of both.

strange python
#

If you're good at using Spyglass then it's better probably

#

If you can capitalize on procs from Dice well then it's better

hollow stone
#

Yup. Feral is just a good sin rogue anyway

strange python
#

They're neck-and-neck both ST and MT

hollow stone
#

Reroll

tropic hull
#

dice for aoe situations better i think

final stone
#

i need to do mythic 0 s for chest and helm!! whose ally that has those already thats wants to run them with me making all leather grp 3 rog dps!!

strange python
#

I feel like spyglass should pull away on big pulls

#

Because of synergy with FoK

tropic hull
#

feral can crit 44k Rogue is shit

hollow stone
#

Dice procs during your ss garr window is massive. Fathoms makes no additional benefits in that window than what it always does

strange python
#

Who cares about garrote, it's trash

#

SS is bugged and unusable

hollow stone
#

So if youre lucky w dice procs, its gonna get you more dps

#

But fathoms sims better on a 5m patchwerk fight

umbral crescent
#

SS is bugged?

tropic hull
#

yes

umbral crescent
#

when did this happen?

golden mulch
#

hm super wierd i G-R-G-V-M-R-E and do 20k without lust on trainingsdummy but then after evenom phase i vanish and double garrote and my dmg is like 5k? what the hell is up with that?

strange python
#

We were talking Spyglass vs. Dice

tropic hull
#

!ss

prisma monolithBOT
#

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

strange python
#

I'm kidding Vat, SS is great despite the bug

#

It's a minor loss in potential dps

hollow stone
#

Oh true. Mah bad then

final stone
#

if any one wanst to help a brotha out dm me your btag ill prob do some tonight before raid

umbral crescent
#

ah, ty Unknown and Nadem. I was not aware of that

strange python
#

Still hits like a monstertruck

inner leaf
#

yo ass boiz

umbral crescent
#

so if I cast 3 garrotes to different targets coming out of stealth

inner leaf
#

how is m+

#

for yall

umbral crescent
#

then a 4th target with a non-subterfuge gartote

inner leaf
#

good?

umbral crescent
#

garrote*

#

that's what screws it up?

undone cairn
#

Ya

strange python
#

yes

inner leaf
#

i have 355/325 dagger with 3 garrot traits

#

should i swap?

strange python
#

You lose the SS buff on the buffed garrotes

#

But not the subterfuge buff mind you

umbral crescent
#

gotcha. Will definitely keep that in mind

#

thanks!

#

@inner leaf I've been enjoying M+ quite a bit

strange python
#

But you can of course vanish -> 3x garrote if you have more targets

#

For extra thicc deeps

half prawn
#

after the outlaw and sub tuning you guys think sin is gonna be played more?

strange python
#

then they'll all keep SS

tropic hull
#

sin is trash

hollow stone
#

All rogue specs are comparable after nerfs. Sin is good in m+ due to re and emp garr w ss

sturdy python
#

Oh yeah, sin is fotm

half prawn
#

Im outlaw but I just chekced and noticed i have the bis shouldrs and head

final stone
#

sin is sooo trash

strange python
#

Stop talking about sin, it's a dead spec

sturdy python
#

Welcome back to Sin world!

strange python
#

what's sin?

half prawn
#

im here to hop on the gravy train

final stone
#

sin is ded

strange python
#

what gravy train?

stuck shuttle
#

sin sucks

#

dont swap

strange python
nimble gulch
#

sin is not dead wtf

strange python
#

Go play Feral

#

It's basically sin

#

But good

nimble gulch
#

feral is dead

hollow stone
#

Once we get to 385 ilvl sin sims best. Lemme know when youre 385

half prawn
#

ok im 385

sand canyon
#

why is sin so bad

#

can someone give me opener T_T

strange python
#

sin opener

nimble gulch
#

Omg Muscle -

#

garote rupture garote vendetta exsang

sand canyon
#

Really?

vagrant marlin
#

whaat

sand canyon
#

thank you didnt know

delicate root
#

Nope

strange python
#

Mut -> Envenom -> Mut to 4+ CP -> Rupture -> Garrote -> Wait for Garrote to run out -> Exsang

vagrant marlin
#

its mutilate x5

strange python
#

then CT

sand canyon
#

why not 10x garrote?

vagrant marlin
#

top dama,ge

#

ye

hushed turtle
#

Just read guide

final stone
#

its fan of knives x10 on opener

strange python
#

wtf what you do is: pickpocket and run away with the loot

vagrant marlin
#

🍆

strange python
#

Good one lone

#

also remember not to open with stealth

undone cairn
#

Gutripper x10 tbh

#

lethal damage

strange python
#

pull vendetta off your bars, useless

final stone
#

opener is drink poison bomb

#

omegadeeps!

nimble gulch
#

XD

strange python
#

use 2x swords

undone cairn
#

Isn't musclebrah in method

muted quarry
#

wheres the best place to farm coarse leather and blood sttained bones

undone cairn
#

How does he not know the opener

#

🤔

strange python
#

Cuz he sucks

#

and Method sucks

#

they're just big nubs

umbral crescent
#

@strange python I think you mean 2x fist weapons, SINCE THAT'S ALL THAT'S EVER AVAILABLE FROM THE DUNGEON WQs

undone cairn
#

u rite

nimble gulch
#

Actually hes sub main

undone cairn
#

O

#

I see

vagrant marlin
#

he didnt check pins thats it

nimble gulch
#

hes just playing sin atm

undone cairn
#

Gotcha

strange python
#

Is he playing Sin because the upcoming nerf?

#

or just cuz

tight meteor
#

nerf is live

strange python
#

not in eu

vagrant marlin
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ye
they removed SS

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dont play sin

strange python
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Damn they did? Why remove a useless spell

keen spruce
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I got a 385 Azerite chest with Rezan's Fury... down to 1 SS trait now MonkaComfy

undone cairn
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Lmao

strange python
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They can just remove garrote tbf

nimble gulch
strange python
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don't even have it on my bars

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truly

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White damage is huge for Sin

keen spruce
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That trinket is nutsack nanareee

true aurora
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i395 Harlan’s Loaded Dice... check!

undone cairn
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Does it sim higher than SS?

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I'm assuming it does

delicate root
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Galecallers tbh

keen spruce
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yeah way higher than a 340 with SS

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45 ilvls of Agillity is hard to beat

undone cairn
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True

keen spruce
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now if I was gonna lose my last SS trait... I dunno

delicate root
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My 355 laser matrix chest sims the same as 340 SS

stuck shuttle
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only rocking 1xSS now because of 370 azerite gear

heady vapor
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holy fuck does my dps skyrocket when poison bomb procs

stuck shuttle
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feelsbadman

strange python
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Yeah the 1 SS is big

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Because of the CP

keen spruce
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Oh that reminds me.. I need to switch back to poison bomb

undone cairn
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I think it's best to keep at least one SS

keen spruce
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I was trying to kill zul for 8 hours last night

strange python
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Yeah

hollow stone
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Moth is still playing legion

keen spruce
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so Crimson tempest it was

strange python
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Did you play Sin on Zul

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why?

stuck shuttle
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I have

keen spruce
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we were cheesing the fight

stuck shuttle
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I did fine on Heroic

strange python
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ah okay

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Yeah but Sub is so much more useful

keen spruce
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basically all single target on zul, burn him phase 2 before the second hexxers spawn

strange python
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Makes it so easy if you can instagib the prio adds

keen spruce
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passive cleave to kill crushers and CC the hexxers

strange python
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Sub would still do more DPS single target burning Zul

lone junco
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Can someone do me a favor. How much overall damage is 1 3xSS garrote in st. Vs. 1cp rupture.

keen spruce
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yeah but I don't play sub

strange python
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ah okay

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Yeah sin is still probably good

keen spruce
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and I raid lead, so I need to be able to turn my brain off (IE play assassinatoin)

little frigate
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Guys, is it me or does crimson tempest actually feel worse even in m+?

regal snow
strange python
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It's just single target burning Zul is godlike as sub

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Insane Evis dmg

heady vapor
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did ass get changed at all? i thought it was just outlaw and sub

keen spruce
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yeah they were about 15-20% higher than me on boss damage

strange python
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Sin wasn't changed at all from what I know

stuck shuttle
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no changes

keen spruce
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but affliction locks were almost 30% higher than them

lone junco
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@little frigate Ct is fantastic in m+.

heady vapor
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why are people saying "ass gonna be insane on reset" when nothing is changing with this spec rofl

strange python
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Aff lock is busted

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They'll start pulling way ahead

keen spruce
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My friend was pulling 54k dps in his opener

strange python
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as usual <.<

little frigate
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hmm @lone junco it just doesnt feel like its doing a lot of damage

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maybe im using it wrong

daring imp
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'cuz of other stuff being nerfed i guess

lone junco
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Probably.

hollow stone
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Because people think class tuning means the clases that didnt get tuned are gonna be op

strange python
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I haven't been amazed by CT unless you're doing big pulls

lone junco
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Why aren't you pulling big in m+?

strange python
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although PB suffers from Sanguine

keen spruce
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like if we wiped when we phased to 40%, I was at about 1.6 million boss damage, sub rogues were at about 1.9 million, and the affliction locks were at like 2.25 million

strange python
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pulling big with necrotic

lone junco
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Pb is shit for any movement ever.

lofty sand
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why do we call it prio target damage and shit like that and not Burst ST? Legit question

daring imp
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not kiting stuff with necrotic

lone junco
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And the damage is bad. Even if they were stacked.

strange python
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Maybe my tanks just suck

keen spruce
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PB is just kind of butts, but it's passive

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and you're not using CP for it

lone junco
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Ct should be like 10-12%

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Whaaat.

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In packs of 6-1000000. Ct wins.

keen spruce
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100%

inner leaf
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you pick Exsanguinate over TB?

lone junco
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Whether you ham the Ct or not is the question.

keen spruce
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sim it, my gear says Exsanguinate now

stuck shuttle
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Exsang sims higher for some now

umbral crescent
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guess I should resim tonight

keen spruce
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it had me on TB until about 355 ilvl

lone junco
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Sims are wrong for 3T +

umbral crescent
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oh I'm not that high yet

stuck shuttle
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im 352 and sim better with exsang

sand canyon
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does garrote strum?

lone junco
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Its still using g g r.

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What?

soft wave
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does herodamage azerite chart take into account the raw agi? or is it just comparing the traits directly

keen spruce
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Raidbots is using GGR?

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y tho

lone junco
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Yes. It should be ggg

keen spruce
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GRGMR

dense yarrow
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whats our opener now? o.O

lone junco
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And then vanish ggg

daring imp
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( noobe is talking about multi target not single target )

lone junco
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In 2t. G tab gg.

keen spruce
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oh sorry

lone junco
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3t. Ggg

keen spruce
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i'm still talking ST

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yeah 3t is ggg

lone junco
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1t. G r g

dense yarrow
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aite thanks

keen spruce
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1t is grgmr exang

lone junco
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Yeah. Typo.

keen spruce
stuck shuttle
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grgvmr exsang

strange python
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Vanish re-opener is GG on ST right

soft island
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Ggg CT?

lone junco
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G r g vend mut rupture exsang.

keen spruce
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why vendeta before mute?

dense yarrow
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or g r g v tb

stuck shuttle
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more uptime of vendetta on rupture

lone junco
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Just mush it in there

soft island
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Vendetta buffs mut

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Too