I guess actually it depends on vanish cd
#assassination
strange python
Exactly. It depends on your CP generation up until that point.
You should normally always have rupture on a pandemic timer and garrote
rough knoll
I mean it'll be up anyway I imagine cause you're using rupture
rough knoll
During downtime were prioritising envenom clipping right?
As you can't keep up elab planning clipping
strange python
0.1 remaining unless you about to get energy capped
rough knoll
No energy etc
strange python
During empowered garrote vend exang etc i would even 3 point finish
rough knoll
Really?
strange python
To keep ep up during any if the dps cds including exnag
rough knoll
I think you can still get off mut mut env
And keep up elab
During hero and haste trink
Especially with exsang going
strange python
If you pool properly and also depending on cp geberation
strange python
@frigid lagoon it is
rough knoll
Outside of lust and shit
strange python
Duruming the cooldown dps windows
strange python
Outside you will have ep downtije due to energy pooling
@frigid lagoon yes
As ep uptime is more importanf
So pool and then go again
Our poison damage is not as important anymore. At this time at least
rough knoll
That's the only thing I'm unsure of
Ep or env clipping
Outside of cds
Maybe you env clip until second exsang?
Cause then you can probably ep clip
simple agate
mag'har orc good for assa? 
strange python
Then start the cycles
rough knoll
Fair
But you can theoretically have permanent env clipping going right?
Or is pooling and getting max ep uptime more of a prio
Probably the latter right
strange python
Ep prior through my experince
Look at a sim on simulationcraft.org
Check the pooling time
Its a big part of our playstyle
strange python
We have god awful aoe
safe root
small cleave sure
strange python
@tight meteor just dont gimp your ST to much
safe root
decent amount of mobs which don't last long and our aoe is sucky
strange python
As assa i can keep dots on 3-4 targets with empowered garrotes and CT or PB and do 25-30k on packs
tight meteor
i mean youre only pulling like 3-4 at a time anyway no?
versed osprey
Are people swapping over to exsang ? Iv been reading so much exsang related chat here lately
strange python
@versed osprey with sS traits its king
versed osprey
Aah ok i only have one ss anymore used to have 3 but i got 2 370 pieces and i like my stamina
strange python
I wish i could enjoy CT
tight meteor
dont you just spam ct when theres like 10 mobs
tight meteor
like shrine blobs at the 2nd pack
versed osprey
I love the big poison pool on the floor /shrug ct doesnt intrest me
rough knoll
Then get ruptures up
tight meteor
yeah i do that
rough knoll
Or maybe
tight meteor
but like for 5+ i spam ct lmao its probably not the correct thing to do tho
strong copper
wtf
isnt 2x shrouded suffocation supposed to give you isntant 5 combo points from 1 garrote?
versed osprey
No
rough knoll
No
jaunty arrow
Nope
rough knoll
Just dmg stacks
strong copper
lul k
jaunty arrow
Thats why u need atleast 1 
strong copper
so stacking 3 is not optimal?
versed osprey
Tomorow arena cache pray for 370 ss
strong copper
what other traits would you prefer?
tight meteor
wait isnt cache 385 tmr
versed osprey
Im only 1750 rating atm
strong copper
what does 1900+ rating give you in cache?
strange python
+10 is 380 oe 385 azerite i think
tight meteor
so you get 2 chances?
versed osprey
For max value
tight meteor
damn
versed osprey
Yep
strange python
strange python
Ive not had time for a 10 this week with work and RL. Did a 9 easily then had to work and not been abke to get on again until tonight. Proper shame
tight meteor
sad
tight meteor
really
west gate
versed osprey
Ye rip weekly chest
solid citrus
anyone know why some people have been able to get a 2nd item from conquest cap?
solid citrus
i thought it had the garrote trait
dim sentinel
mossy hazel
I want goku shoulders..
Are they covered in hair and when you lust it goes blonde and shiny?
olive peak
yo bois quick question , is using just deadly poison better than using both deadly and crippling? cause seems like it is affecting by poison application chance so having that in mind , might just be better to have deadly proc more often?
quick ice
no
mossy hazel
I don't think it has anything to do with procs
olive peak
frag for example is using only deadly poison
cunning needle
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
jovial kite
@olive peak hes using only deadly in m+ most likely because too much slows are bad for sanguine kite
has nothing to do with procrates
inland knot
3 x SS is mandatory ?
olive peak
@jovial kite k mate ty very much
mossy hazel
Yea I pretty much only ever use crippling in places like TD where mobs tend to "run away"
jovial kite
without sanguine theres no reason not to use it
nimble gulch
i only use it in pvp XD
limber lion
But then again Crippling Poison helps tank reset Necrotic Stacks. So take it as you will. Helps against Necrotic, sucks for Sanguine.
mossy hazel
That's a good point
nimble gulch
idk about the epic but that one is a wq drop
karmic ingot
I have 2x ilvl 340 Gonk Outrunner Shoulderguards. Both of them came from Azerite emissary caches.
daring imp
SEVEN FUCKING HOURS LATER ON A PUG AND WE DOWNED G'HUUN HEROIC GOD DAMMIT
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
karmic ingot
Actually, I think I only have one since my sin set only a 1x SS on chest. I use the shoulders for Deadshot trait.
tropic hull
@daring imp what about loot? Kappa
autumn trench
👌
nimble gulch
11% min is noticeable
glad ferry
🚋 🚋 🚋 🚋
nimble gulch
everything up make it better
magic plaza
@glad ferry YES pills 😄 i sust swapped out
glad ferry
I didn't
I enjoyed my fucking outlaw
I was so hyped to start mythic prog as outlaw today
Guess im not
meager knoll
I enjoyed outlaw, apart from RtB... fuck that shit, the range and pistol shot was fun tho
meager knoll
wasn't lucky enough to get the shoulders, but yeah, it did most of my damage
summer tapir
Will I always want to use Galecaller's trinket with Exasang? because their cooldowns don't match should I ever be saving Galecaller's for whenever exsang is back or the other way around?
magic zenith
Yeah I really loved outlaw
meager knoll
then keep playing it
glad ferry
thats not how it works buddy
magic zenith
Nah I love sin too
glad ferry
unless you play in a casual heroic guild
magic plaza
sin is smashinga tm ;d
glad ferry
some of us HAVE to play the best performing spec at all times
magic zenith
Yes, I've been playing it
scenic saffron
what is the difference between bleed and poison build ?
merry elbow
Its because of the trait, they will probably nerf it tho
magic zenith
I'm okay going back to poison of I have to
daring imp
dot gameplay is so smooth and cool
scenic saffron
does all your dps depends on exsang window like a burst ?
daring imp
but god forbid me playing a shitty unmovable warlock
daring imp
yea i know, they're just casters
glad ferry
we had 2 warlocks and they did 21k dps on heroic g'huun
magic zenith
We'll with all those fucking adds.
daring imp
they pad even on g'huun still inside his womb
magic zenith
Let me just dot all the adds that the laser will kill anyway...
round prism
hey guys trying to switch from outlaw to assassin,but im having difficulty adjusting to when i open from stealth and the bar stays as when im stealth how do you guys handle it?
daring imp
@scenic saffron no not all your dps, but sure will have a bigger spike during exsang than compared to anywhere else
i put all stuff the same on both bars
magic plaza
imo gatecaller trinket + vendeta better
round prism
@daring imp thats interesting never thought about it thanx
ripe dock
qattal the best thing to do is seperate your keybinds from the stealth bar imo
means you will need some extra ones
daring imp
don't bother putting cheap shot on the non-stealth bar tho
https://wago.io/ryAsZbNdX <--- messed with weakaura a bit and made a party chat announcer WA for shroud, just so your trigger happy tankers can know how much it will last before trying to pass over that last giant pack of elites when there's less than 2s left
mint osprey
Does anyone know what the conquest item is this week?
weak pine
No
round prism
wait whats the conquest item last week and how do i get it?
mint osprey
Was a weapon
weak pine
500 conquest
mint osprey
And you get it by acquiring 500 conquest pts
weak pine
from arenas,bgs and quests
round prism
thanx
weak pine
Also you need to get it to access your weekly pvp chest
quick ice
reset isn't for another 3hrs, so we won't know until then anyway
daring imp
oh shit
weak pine
nice virus
daring imp
too early perhaps
quick ice
like, hotfix notes?
round prism
nice thanx @daring imp i freaked out a little xD
daring imp
it is
deft locust
o three hours
versed osprey
Isnt conquest cap item always a weapon?
deft locust
I see the post now
wide delta
conquest = pvp?
quick ice
not always a weapon @versed osprey - they'll go through a whole gear set throughout the season
tiny vapor
No it changes @versed osprey
daring imp
ok guys i'm freaking out https://www.twitch.tv/videos/308373288
jumping increases fok range wtf
daring imp
it should increase CT range too maybe
lone junco
@frigid lagoon wot
Simming pb vs Ct for m+ cleave is silly btw. Patchwerk doesn't have sanguine.
deft locust
sanguine. puke
magic zenith
Thank God sanguine is over
deft locust
sanguine + necrotic + infested
daring imp
sanguine screws everything
deft locust
dies
lone junco
And does the apl even ggg Ct?
daring imp
just take out crippling poison and we good
quick ice
wonder what the new week will bring us
deft locust
3 380 pieces
lone junco
It is bonkers to go big cleave and let the warlock do single.
deft locust
that's my hope from my 10 chest
daring imp
@deft locust imma get that sweet azerite gear with useless traits
lone junco
I didn't get a 10.
quick ice
nah, triple 385 azerite SS gear
daring imp
& complain all week
deft locust
yeeee same @daring imp
lone junco
But I got a 355 wep
deft locust
nice noobe
mint osprey
This week is bursting skittish tyrannical
daring imp
time to pull more than our tanks can handle and let our healers handle
magic zenith
Oh yikes skittish is gonna be gross
crimson onyx
Hey team. New to sin. Is the double garrote in opener to capitalize on pandemic duration?
quick ice
pretty much yeah
daring imp
@crimson onyx yea
crimson onyx
Cheers
quick ice
are we assuming the rotation from legion will continue @mint osprey ?
magic zenith
Well no kingsbane
daring imp
dunno for sure, will know today if it follows the same one
mint osprey
Yes spooce
wheat zealot
Ez week
wide delta
guys
an optimal use would be using exsanguinate after vendetta and vanish with 2 garrote up and rupture?
so vendetta> vanish> garotte > garotte > rupture > exssanguinate ?
quick ice
there are a few bosses that could be interesting on tyr
quick ice
oh yeah
mint osprey
Ideally you want a pandemic rupture
mortal warren
when using CT you want to "spam" or do you rly wait for the dot to almost expire?
mint osprey
So garotte rupture garotte mutilate rupture exsang
lone junco
@mortal warren it depends.
if stuff will live long enough for you to rupture them all, do that, but in non eliete trash like snake ball. Garrote Rupture the Orb guardian, but fok fok ct spam
mortal warren
Ok so still prio rupture on everything that lives long enough then spam CT?
lone junco
g g g ct fok fok r (elites), then fok fok ct.
lone junco
probably a good thumb rule.
daring imp
4/5 bleeds spread around will give you enough energy to spam fok/ct at will
lone junco
That...
is when we stack crit.
my groups wont be pulling elites fat anytime soon.
but i can dream
daring imp
fok/ct i don't mean 1 fok>1 ct, using fok to build cp and dump on ct
lone junco
i do
lone junco
its build in your book
mellow pier
This week will be much easier tho
daring imp
venomous wounds, 7 per tick
mint osprey
Ty
mint osprey
And that includes CT?
lone junco
im gonna burst some bitches with that gggct
gives them 10 sec to deal with it tho
def better than the cloak shoulder storm dfa from legion.
daring imp
not ct, no
mellow pier
@lone junco is there a reason to fok all the time as sin?
daring imp
rupture/garrote
mint osprey
Ok
mellow pier
The cp doesnt work same as sub
lone junco
@mellow pier its just a function of mobs hit and your crit values. if you fok 2x and get 4cps, its better than 2x mut.
fok white is non trivial.
mellow pier
I have a shitty poison wire tho i feel like mut csn be better if crit
Idk prob hard to test
lone junco
i mean. pull 3 elites 4 non.
g g g ct.
fok fok rupture exsang prio elite if necessary
fok fok rupture
fok fok rupture
fok fok ct
daring imp
does anyone else have issues when clicking stuff on warcraftlogs? sometimes it just won't click, then i have to refresh the page
mellow pier
@lone junco if i get 2 back to back mut crits tho, isnt that faster cp gen
wheat zealot
The aoe poison application
mellow pier
I know
lone junco
(with no env rotation the dp is low)
fok is pretty high in the damage profile tbh.
but
mellow pier
I wish fok worked like storm
lone junco
all our dmg comes from the ggg
mellow pier
Would be broken
lone junco
so what you do in that open is largely irrlevant after the garrotes.
mellow pier
Ya
wheat zealot
Yeah ez game
mellow pier
Thats what ive been doing
lone junco
when it gets "harder" is at t= 30 when you go dry
mellow pier
I think on a +5 pug i did last night (2 shit dps lol) i was over 17k overall
mellow pier
Its pretty strong
warm canopy
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
lone junco
"pretty strong" is an understatement.
mellow pier
Ya
lone junco
in raid it is not a god trait.
but that restealth is better than a shoulder bomb, every pull.
mellow pier
Zul open could be nutty
wheat zealot
It is on bosses like fetid with exsang
hexed jasper
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
mellow pier
@lone junco ill test some,diff talent set ups tonight
lone junco
@mellow pier LOL Wait until t=7 for them to get stacked. g g g r (PB)
wheat zealot
No one in my raid can keep up when i use exsang lol
mellow pier
If i swap my 370 pw with 370 ss
lone junco
boss fight timing around vuln will decide which class is the god.
wheat zealot
30k single target opener no one touchs me ever lmao
mellow pier
I go from 14.2k to 14.75k
lone junco
my 3rd ss is ilvl 300 hat
mellow pier
Just a trait upgrade lol
wheat zealot
Im the only rogue though
warm canopy
warlocks opener higher no?
wheat zealot
Our lock is trash
mellow pier
@lone junco i have 3 ss but its a dps downgrade
wheat zealot
Just there for summons
mellow pier
1ss sims better
lone junco
in st probably, but not in m+
mellow pier
Yeah prob
lone junco
the cleave apl is wrong
mellow pier
I have laser tho
lone junco
it still does g g r
mellow pier
Laser is pretty good
wheat zealot
Laser in m+ yikes
lone junco
is that the antorus trait?
wheat zealot
Ive heard some stories
mellow pier
It doesnt pull
lone junco
I need to wear that one tonight.
mellow pier
Theyre just shitters lol
wheat zealot
Lmao
mellow pier
:(
wheat zealot
Hopefully i get more haste from my chest, im 354 only simming 13.3k
undone sandal
Is 3x SS best traits?
wheat zealot
My stats are shit all i got going for me is x3 ss
mellow pier
My stats are good
prime pasture
guys, noob question, cant figure the answer for the life of me, been reading exg is the best talent, but been simming myself with toxic blade pulling ahead, same stat prio for both, how come 😮
wheat zealot
I had 5 pre raid but they all got replaced
mellow pier
I have 20% haste
daring imp
@prime pasture few different secondary stats will put one ahead of the other
lone junco
at least you dont need stats for GGG CT!
wheat zealot
daring imp
ayy
lone junco
pretty ssure my m+ group dps hates me.
mellow pier
@prime pasture even for me with ideal stats, tb isnt far behind
lone junco
"why am i even here"
daring imp
"someone needs to be at the bottom"
wheat zealot
Mine have some fun on non elite packs
mellow pier
Exsang just allows burst which can be abused
lone junco
prime pasture
i've been unlucky with haste gear, dont have that much
quick ice
was "ssure" a deliberate pun @lone junco
wheat zealot
My frost mage will go mongo in big pulls
quick ice
because SS?
prime pasture
k, thanks @daring imp @mellow pier
lone junco
Ill take it.
sly kestrel
For those of you using SS trait, do you guys wait for the current buffed garrote to expire before casting a new garrote on a new mob due to the SS bug?
lone junco
🚪
daring imp
few guys did +15's and +16's already
wheat zealot
I did a 10
mellow pier
+5 farm was farrr better use of my,time
daring imp
not me tho i spent three hours in a +10 boralus with guildies
mellow pier
Ill do 10s when i can get drops
wheat zealot
Yikes
faint harness
R I P
edgy latch
uuh
wheat zealot
Only took me a hour i think
mellow pier
I missed chesting fh by like 2mins
vestal dune
+10 can give 885 azerite gear in the chest tho
edgy latch
you can get 3x 385 items from doing a 10 this week
mellow pier
And only cause apparantly 2nd boss can get infested
wheat zealot
Exactly
mellow pier
If u pull side pack
edgy latch
its a huge loss not to do it
mellow pier
Feelsbad
wooden island
Best rogue spec for pvp atm
vestal dune
Sorry, 385
daring imp
i think he meant 385 /r/whooosh
mellow pier
I know haha
wide delta
For those of you using SS trait, do you guys wait for the current buffed garrote to expire before casting a new garrote on a new mob due to the SS bug?
sly kestrel
Thanks for copy pasting it haha
vestal dune
With my luck tho, those 2h doing a +10 will reward me some 380 brazers and that will be it
mellow pier
If i spent 2h in a m+
daring imp
chill mate you'll get some nice versatility gear 
wheat zealot
Imagine 2 380 daggers
daring imp
oy those 380 can still wf/tf like in legion crazyballs right?
vestal dune
Temples 3rd boss felt like a raid boss
hollow pine
Guys, another question regarding rotation. When opening ST, I shoud use ggr or gggr ? Its worth to triple garrote?
wheat zealot
Chance at 1-3 items aint worth a couple hours of your time???
mellow pier
Wep can only wf, azerite cant
wheat zealot
380 items
mellow pier
@hollow pine grg
I would just find another key
Cause 1h in a +10 is a shit group lol
woven dragon
Uhh
wheat zealot
Not really depending on dungeon
mellow pier
U can pull 1 pack at a time and finish faster
hollow pine
@mellow pier It's not worth to have a 5 cp to exsg?
woven dragon
Do you know how hard 10’s were this week lmao
wheat zealot
Right
wheat zealot
Good luck finding another 10 key if its not your own
woven dragon
Lmao
hollow pine
I see
wheat zealot
You had to push your own or a friend
mellow pier
I have a guild
wheat zealot
Was impossible to get into a pug at 355 with good logs and io
potent forge
What time do the US caches spawn
vestal dune
Sethralis +10 at least felt overtuned as fuck
woven dragon
8am pst
mellow pier
I only pugged like 2 things this week lol
woven dragon
King’s rest 10 was a bitch
mellow pier
Ran +5s with all leather group most of the week
wheat zealot
I pushed my own because i wasent getting invited to pugs
frank furnace
Temple 10 was insane. Dont want to imagine 1 and 3 bosses on tyrannical
woven dragon
Tol dagor was pretty easy
wheat zealot
Yeah tol is ezpz
gilded kayak
hey after casting Exsanguinate do you want the dots to expire or can you recaast during pandemic?
vestal dune
3rd boss of temple is a fucking god
quartz rune
Expire and refresh after
gilded kayak
yeah thought so cheers
unkempt pond
temple will be complete ass on tyrannical
gilded kayak
and is it worth always recasting rupture and garrote before Exsanguinate if they have like half durations and outside pandemic?
potent forge
Infested spawns need to not be affected by sanguine in the future
daring imp
motherlode
mellow pier
IMO
daring imp
SOS
potent forge
My 10 was a waycrest, 80% of the dungeon was done in 2 rooms lol
royal lantern
you did the soak right?
people always forget that you need too soak the aoe on that add
unkempt pond
still hurts
royal lantern
adds where almost always harder then bosses in m+ except for a few in tyranical weeks
potent forge
If you die anywhere, back to the beginning
royal lantern
there is a skip in shrine of strom after the 2 boss
daring imp
ain't nothing gonna top out this "skip" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h6H_-FbRzs&feature=youtu.be&t=20m38s
potent forge
Waycrest tree boss was stupid on 10, I can't even imagine it on tyrannical
vestal dune
Last time I checked, only 15 groups had done temple +10 in time, and I bet it is mostly because of the 3rd boss
potent forge
Not that but your just gated by time
vestal dune
Do not want to imagine it on tyranical
potent forge
2nd and last boss just take x amount of time no matter what you do
Not to mention trash in that place sucks
potent forge
It doesn't feel like they took that into account
unkempt pond
@daring imp what was that
potent forge
Not to mention heart guardians literally dick the tank
vestal dune
That last boss was actually pretty easy
potent forge
I mean the bridge pack
vestal dune
Ooooh
potent forge
With fortified heart guardians
daring imp
tidesage ravager casts a buff on his allies that drain their hp
all ded, 34% done with less than 10k dps overall by the group lul
potent forge
You have to have the right comp for that
No blood or vengeance good luck grouping then
quiet spruce
wa!
daring imp
drood!
ember coral
Sin will be better than sub on ST tomorrow ? Or still not ?
spice surge
Or be a rogue and skip the bridge 👌
potent forge
Watch them add stealth detection to heart guardians
Like they did with shrine bridge
clear blaze
@ember coral 
royal lantern
they will both be probably doing the same st
sub and outlaw are not dead, they are just in line with other classes now cus they where too strong
mellow pier
Ehh ima go with dead imo
Lot of other classes had shit sim apl and performed better in raid
mellow pier
Class doesnt equal,spec
daring imp
how much ded
sullen sphinx
You guys playing exsg or toxic blade?
sly kestrel
exsg
daring imp
toxic blade 'cuz i am brain dead
delicate root
Exsang lyf
sullen sphinx
Thinking of switching to sin from sub after the tuning pass. But have like 5% haste lol
delicate root
It's amazing on Fetid
sullen sphinx
And no SS
unkempt pond
exsang is gucci everywhere. dont make me go toxic snore
daring imp
i'd switch maybe for raids, but not m+ if you don't have 3x ss
glacial jasper
Exang seems to be simple enough. make sure your garrote and rup are fully pandemiced use cds if up and letter rip tator chip
sly kestrel
I have 2x SS and it's still amazing in mythic+, maybe not over 10+ because I've not done that
unkempt pond
2x works if you have decent 3rd
daring imp
well i meant in his special case already playing/optimized as sub
you'll only feel "the" power with the 3rd SS
ez 20k pulls on 4 gcds
verbal hemlock
You can see damage breakdown like at x2 garrote it doing your highest by a decent margin
Not sure if blizzard intended these traits to apply their damage components before modifiers
unkempt pond
surely their qa tested it 
verbal hemlock
But DH have a similar trait that gains a lot more damage from vers/mastery
Contrary to the tooltip
light glen
so running exs, do you go PB or CT ? and does it change if it's ST or aoe?
quartz rune
PB for St and CT for m+
daring imp
just found this gem from legion
alpine hedge
no
hard merlin
Is SS Shrouded Suffocation?
vestal wren
plucky patio
ShS is shadow strike.. Just sayin
daring imp
ShS can be shadowstep/shuriken storm
spice surge
Too many things can be SS
plucky patio
Don't forget sinister strike
dense kelp
Hey guys new to the discord trying to flush out my sin spec. I've seen some streams and higher raiders run high mastery atm. Is that for exsang and because of lack of haste?
quick ice
Yeah distract
flat jackal
Hey first time ever im playing Rogue so just wonder whats is best daggers or sword and what spec is best for lvling
jolly notch
is distract and detection ever useful?
elfin valley
So do you guys thing its worth it to play sin over sub/law with the coming nerfs?
jolly notch
literally never used them before XD
oblique pendant
SS can be also Waffen SS just sayin :v
placid dawn
does exang only apply to current bleeds? or can i refresh with exsang still afecting the new dot?
jolly notch
imo i think in raids sub>sin=outlaw(if somewhat lucky) in dungeons i think all 3 are still great just depends on what you need but id wager sin is slightly better than the other 2 with exsang build
fresh ginkgo
do i need to equip the uldir azrite gear to do its mini quest thing?
night vale
you guys think shrouded suffocation will be nerfed sometime soon, it seems CRAZY strong
oblique pendant
Sin is better for raids as it's less punishing when there's lots of movements
strong canopy
Hey assassinators, im was playing outlaw all the time but im kinda getting sick of it. I tried assas and i kinda liked so my question: Is it worth to switch (im basicly just raiding/casual m+)?
jolly notch
but the raid thing is only if played at a high percentile on heroics, i think sin will push higher in mythics
and what rolling bones said
elfin valley
So is exsang used on CD (when bleeds r refreshed)
jolly notch
i really hope ss doesnt get nerfed. ive never had this much fun with a spec, and i played OP demon hunter in get-yo-free- 1800 season
for me i delay the third exsang to line up with vendetta and a trinket for raids idk if thats right though
wheat zealot
Yes, 2:20 is vital
jolly notch
2:20? so you delay the vendetta for the 4th exsang instead?
cause the way i said i vendetta a second time at 2:05 ish
wheat zealot
Yes
fresh ginkgo
i hope it gets nerf so i dont feel so bad not using my 370 azirite gear 
sweet flame
they'll just rescale main stat on azerite pieces before they do that
that seems like a more blizzard-style solution
strong canopy
well they just nerfed deadshot to the ground
hollow junco
deadshot is still strong
wheat zealot
Its still decent in pve, but the double dip fucked it for pvp
jolly notch
i heard ace up your sleeve isnt bad when you get them big crits on bte
hollow junco
oh yeah warmode, that thing i turned off when mythic+ opened up because i like to be able to zone in to my dungeons without having to first be baptized by a 40man gangbang
jolly notch
you mean you dont baptize people as they try to enter a dungeon? lol my last dungeon i was dueling people instead of summoning
hollow junco
maybe they should turn it off so they can help YOU summon
jolly notch
i only turn it off when im goofing with my nonwarmode friends or when i fish cause a rogues gotta have a hobby amirite?
placid dawn
is there any exang guide somewhere?
strange python
i need to know this badly
how many ruptures should we apply to mobs
in an aoe situation
3 and stop
or just spam it on everyone
placid dawn
the guide on the pins sucks, it literally only has the opener and thats it
jolly notch
depends on how fast they die and whether you take ct or not (probably should)
elfin valley
ct?
jolly notch
i put rupture on all elites in a pack either before or after i crimson tempest depending on my haste and the pack size ( usually i ct before ruptures)
placid dawn
the guide also has suffered suffocation as the trait name 🤔
spice surge
What do you want more details on? Not refreshing exsang dots is one thing
jolly notch
sometimes i rupture a non-elite thats about to die to get lots of energy back for more small ruptures
strange python
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
green hatch
hey guys do you have a weak aura that show us that we have a SS garrot actif ?
placid dawn
do i refresh dots no matter the time left they have for every exsang?
vagrant tapir
You want full bleeds for exsang
placid dawn
also, delay vanish for exsang every time too right?
like vanish double garrote rupture exsang
spice surge
At 2.25 yes, afterwards it doesnt matter
placid dawn
ah, i see, ok
spice surge
The second vanish+vendetta lines up kinda well with exsang at 2.15**
placid dawn
also, 2.25 means delaying vendetta too right?
spice surge
Afterwards they continue to get out of sync and its pretty neutral wether you line em up
In a simulation that is, for fetid and the likes its obviously better to line em up
placid dawn
cool, thanks
hollow stone
It sure does
vagrant tapir
so you can triple silence?
hollow stone
Yup
vagrant tapir
What about SS
hollow stone
Its sweet in arena and extremely helpful for tanks oncasters in pve
Yea. The whole point of running ss is to pair it with subt
Its multiplicative and the reason ss does so much dmg
elfin valley
so i was just wondering why do u vanish then rupture 2 times in a row?
garrote*
like i understand once then and when its about to fall off, or is that what it meant
final stone
we did it bois! went assa last night i only have one SS trait but it sims better than my sub set up
and ran a mythic 7 with an all rogue grp of each spec and we came out on top on everything ayeeeohhhh
faint harness
Tangobunny because using 2 garrotes in a row extends the duration and also gives you a lot of combopoints, why wouldnt you use it twice
hard merlin
Got two SS traits, one more goodbye deadshot! 😂
final stone
well not everyone can be you @hard merlin lol
boreal compass
does Vendetta increase the damage of dots that were cast before vendetta or only dots that were cast while vendetta is active?
vagrant tapir
Its dynamic
It increases the damage while the debuff is up
and stops when it falls off
mellow pier
Only thing that snapshots is garrote
boreal compass
ahh that s nice
smoky niche
Snapshots?
vagrant tapir
You mean stats?
delicate gull
If we have double garrote SS on main target, is it worth putting a none stealth garrote on a 2nd target? Happened to me a couple times on Vectis
quick ice
Snapshots subterfuge/Nightstalker
mellow pier
Garrote from stealth
quick ice
@delicate gull no because bug
vagrant tapir
I guess thats snaping
quick ice
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
vagrant tapir
But not really
mellow pier
Its closest u have to it now
vagrant tapir
The talent specifically increases the garrotes full damage
mellow pier
Tbh
vagrant tapir
yeah
mellow pier
Gone are the days of trinket snapshots
quick ice
I think feral still has some? And exsang snapshots haste afaik.
faint harness
Feral still has snapshotting with tigers fury
chilly cosmos
hey guys how do i do a lot of aoe dmg as assass in mythic dungeons? singletarget seems no problem but aoe is weird the Fan of KNifes dmg doenst do enough
faint harness
Then you played feral wrong
frozen karma
So basically garrote when invis to 1-3 and then hold onto it until it fades away?
vagrant tapir
yes
quick ice
Yeah
faint harness
My guildie was rank 3 world feral in Antorus and always talked about how bad ferals never snapshot their bleeds
boreal compass
@chilly cosmos you do but not burst damage, once you have your dots set up its alright
chilly cosmos
@boreal compass so i should just garrote and rupture everything?
strange python
anybody know ashine's build for freehold 15?
faint harness
dont garrote outside of invis if you have 3 invis'd garrotes up
chilly cosmos
so double garrote rapture hanf of knife rupture etc?
boreal compass
well, triple garrote if you can
quick ice
@strange python guessing here, but probably exsang/ct
chilly cosmos
yeah but wouldnt i waste combo points?
boreal compass
How much better is elaborate planning than Master Poisoner?
mellow pier
@faint harness yeah ur right i was thinking savage roar
It used to but didnt in legion
boreal compass
doesnt matter @chilly cosmos its a lot of damage
brave cave
with the most recent nerfs do you guys see sin pulling ahead for mythic+ (besides needing sub for ST priority things)
mellow pier
Diff ability lol
jolly notch
Just an fyi to all that dont know, if you put a non ss buffed garrote up on a target all your other garrotes lose their ss buff. Its a bug
faint harness
I think its fun that some abilities snapshot, it opens up for interesting play and can separate good play from bad
brave cave
oh snap
chilly cosmos
marked for death over vigor?
quick ice
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
jolly notch
So dont garrote a 4th time till after the others fall off
faint harness
correct
brave cave
nice
boreal compass
@chilly cosmos nah vigor is amazing
boreal compass
How much better is elaborate planning than Master Poisoner?
chilly cosmos
is ss viable in pvp when you dont ly want to use your vanish and dont rly want to restealth either to get more uptime?
strange python
seems like ashine is geming mastery do you think he played with master poisoner as well? @quick ice
faint harness
Hurley, i personally simmed myself with MFD and Master poisoner instead of the traditional build and it was a whopping 130 dps difference
AKA very little
quick ice
I really couldn't tell you
spice surge
Maybe because mastery simmed highest for him? 🤔
faint harness
shouldnt haste be good on aoe cus of bleeds ticking out faster on many targets? Maybe i'm wrong there.
spice surge
With enough haste mast/crit is highest on ST too
quick ice
You have enough energy in aoe without haste probably @faint harness
still carbon
is haste>crit>mastery still good for single target
faint harness
My haste is currently above agility in stat weights monkaS
vocal ferry
are you guys going for single target or aoe stats?`
quick ice
Probably completely different for pvp
faint harness
depends on comp in arenas
fair hill
Haste - Mastery
faint harness
if you're running a bursty comp maybe there are other stats that are more important
still carbon
but crit does so much damage with those envenoms
faint harness
speaking of which, when will they nerf resto shamans in pvp?
fair hill
How about druids? 😁
spice surge
When you have 1.4k haste as i do mastery and crit actually sims higher on ST 😉
faint harness
i have 1.2k crit cus of being main sub last week
verbal hemlock
@still carbon pikaboo r1 glad rogue says he goes haste/mastery 3x Twist the Knife
fair hill
^ this
still carbon
damn so i've been doing it all wrong
verbal hemlock
Mark for Death, double envenom with system shock
faint harness
Kreygasm
verbal hemlock
that's your envenom burst
still carbon
coa?
verbal hemlock
honestly skill and comp probably matter more than secondaries in pvp
faint harness
honored, what
verbal hemlock
even then correct talents probably matter more
gentle belfry
What is the rule for lining up vanish/vendetta?
gentle belfry
And do we literally cause toxic place on CD nomatter what?
faint harness
revered should be top prio, 15 ilvls on ur neck
still carbon
i could probably level it in no time if i start farming it
my ilvl is uh
345
i think
opaque grotto
tight meteor
this seem about right?
tight meteor
yeah my gear is pretty decent
tight meteor
355
gentle belfry
@opaque grotto The question is, how long to wait for one or the other to come up before using the other on its own
still carbon
im probably gonna try to get into a heroic uldir after school
and do some m+
hopefully get some gear
woven dragon
I can’t wait to open the caches and be disappointed by both :^)
tight meteor
i have no guild so im just spamming m+ and pugging uldir here and there
i enjoy m+ a lot more anywya
woven dragon
I’m having so much fun with outlaw but I don’t know if I should switch to sin
Sin feels so slow to me now but maybe I just don’t have enough haste currently
tulip forum
I assume we want 1-2 SS traits? Do we really want 3?
halcyon glacier
most definitely yes
the combo point part doesn't stack anyway, so we're not worried about wasting CP
daring imp
m+ 3x SS is godking skovald
woven dragon
It makes garrote tick for insane amounts
tight meteor
it outperforms my 355 matrix
delicate root
good to know, I have 3xSS and just got a matrix last night
high siren
pardon pardon
delicate root
will stick with 3xSS in m+
halcyon glacier
just make sure you're aware of the bug in the pins...i didn't know for the longest time and didn't understand why my damage was poop
tulip forum
Just never cast 4 garrotes on the opener?
gentle belfry
How much of an effect on overall damage did that bug cause for you?
Ive been doing it every time and wondering the same thing
mossy hazel
It's a pretty huge drop
gentle belfry
like thousands of overall dps?
abstract crescent
how's sin atm
delicate root
cuts your damage in half
gentle belfry
thats crazy 😦
abstract crescent
how's sin for pvp/pve atm?
pastel crystal
pvp its sick imo
gentle belfry
@abstract crescent good?
pastel crystal
silence op
soft island
Dům question. Horde eu. When I finish the emissary today it's 340 il. If I w8 for tomorrow, is it going to be higher since cap for wq is increased?
Dumb *
soft island
They increased that from your base il I since reset
deft fox
hm
soft island
Afaik. Dunno if it works on older emissary tho
potent forge
Where will all the cachescbe located
deft fox
Where are some good places I can read about sin for PvP? I'm running disc, arms, sin, and trying to generally get better as I'm fairly new to arena.
soft island
Maybe it kicks only u. 🤔
tight meteor
rip
potent forge
Where will the weekly chests be located
noble parrot
umbral crescent
@potent forge for alliance, I assume on the boat, but idk for sure
strange python
harbormaster's office
wind totem
Hey guys. I just used Simulationcraft and simed myself twice. Once using the import armory feature from the program itself and the other time from using the simulation craft addon and I'm getting 2 different results. Which way of importing is more accurate?
soft island
Is armory updated? Try log out and update armory. Is the simc addon 1.10 or older?
calm grail
wind totem
Armory is updated. Last time i changed an item was over 12 hours ago and I was logged out during that time. The addon is version 1.10.6
soft island
Trust the addon then. Armory can be buggy
soft island
There is special button for armory update too. You pressed it?
daring imp
sad
wind totem
Yeap
I did
@daring imp Which addon shows the traits like that if you dont mind me asking?
torpid sluice
AzeriteTooltip iirc
daring imp
i think azerite tool tip
soft island
Ok. Blizzard is having some bugs flying arround the office again, I guess
daring imp
yea that one ^
wind totem
Cool. Thanks
quick ice
anyone else not get a keystone in their cache btw?
mighty summit
soft island
No
woven dragon
Ayy
soft island
For luck try outlaw chat. No luck here
woven dragon
I’m still at work so no cache for me 🙃
wind totem
The simmulationcraft addon also takes into account gear I have in the bags. Is there a way to find out in the results if it actually chose a piece from the bags?
soft island
It does not. You need to specifický select to gear compare
deft locust
anyone got the patch notes?
soft island
Specifickly *damn autocorrect
woven dragon
Lol
wind totem
Whats the point of all this shit in the string then https://i.imgur.com/qzUIxC8.png
torpid sluice
Top Gear
soft island
You know what better than screenshot of a sim? An actual sim report. Just saying
high siren
noway
wind totem
I'm asking in general lol
torpid sluice
It's a string used for general use, it contains info for all types of sims
Such as top gear
wind totem
I see.
soft island
It depends what sim u did. I wish there was general answer. Most likely it shows numbers with gear u had on when copied simc string
signal summit
Is it 100% a azerite + a normal piece in chest ?
hollow stone
No
signal summit
Or random
wind totem
Its 100% azerite + a chance for a second piece + a minor chance for a 3rd piece
torpid sluice
Random 1-3 pieces right?
hollow stone
Guildies reporting no azerite piece in cache
signal summit
Rng :pogg
hollow stone
Im at work so havent checked personally
woven dragon
Azerite isn’t guaranteed
soft island
So I get 1. What's random about that, lol.
main blaze
Anyone get more than one piece?
woven dragon
I haven’t seen anyone get more than one piece
soft island
Thank you murica for beta testing the chests for us 🤙
final stone
where do you open your weekly cache
wheat zealot
!chest
prisma monolithBOT
Weekly chest position:
Alliance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPlCI652Wo
Horde - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLjg2XCTe7U
daring imp
on the room besides the bank on dazaralor
soft island
Who made a video that needed like 10 seconds for over 3 minutes? 😂