assassination

[strange python]

I enjoy all specs thankfully

No idea

They'll probably add more rings

And they'll definitely add more "raid" themed traits

[hollow pine]

dang

[strange python]

They seem to struggle balancing spec specific traits though hahahha

[hollow pine]

I really want more traits that change the way you play

[strange python]

Considering Test of Might, Blade in the Shadows, Deadshot, et al

Blizz doesn't seem to like them too much considering they keep nerfing them lmao

[stuck shuttle]

No SeT BoNusEs, ThEy'rE BoRiNg - Blizzard

[strange python]

Haha

[hollow pine]

lol

[strange python]

peabrains

It's a classic blizzard move

Make a staple mechanic in the game boring on purpose

Then call it boring

Then remove it

[stuck shuttle]

HeRe's pAsSivE TrAiTs ThaT dOnt aDD aNyTHing - Also Blizzard

[hollow pine]

Thats so true ahahahah

[lethal swan]

what dungeon has best chance at daggers

[stuck shuttle]

lol?

theres no best chance.

[strange python]

"Deadshot needs to go, we'd much rather you use something fun and interesting, like Laser Matrix :^)"

[stuck shuttle]

its just whatevers on the table

[lethal swan]

no dungeon has 2 daggers in loot table?

[lost heart]

Does exsg require you to reapply bleeds beforehand?

[strange python]

No

[stuck shuttle]

nope

[strange python]

But MOTHER drops 2 hahaha

[stuck shuttle]

thats a raid tho

[strange python]

or maybe it was 1h swords

Yeah I know

[stuck shuttle]

and its still not 2x daggers

[strange python]

Nvm I was wrong

Mixed it up

[stuck shuttle]

@lost heart yes

[dapper moat]

i am bit lost about how to cast SS garrotte.

[stuck shuttle]

what you need to know

?

Step 1: Cast Garrote from stealth
Step 2: Cast garrote 2 more times from stealth
Step 3: Profit

[dapper moat]

if i open from stealth with subterfuge talent, shall i cast 1 SS garrotte on the mob or shall i cast 2 garrotes in row to get it longer time on mob?

ahhh

[stuck shuttle]

on AoE, you garrote everyone

[dapper moat]

so its 3 garrottes in row

[stuck shuttle]

or you garrote 3x

on ST

you garrote 2x

G R G

[swift skiff]

im pissed b/c im lowest ilvl in my dps team, middle to bottom on the chart, and i dont feel like simming myself 100 times with my combinations of azerite gear, and i just need bliz to stop being so GD stingy with the drops

[dapper moat]

ah ty m8 😃

[severe hemlock]

is GRG better than GGR if you're exsang?

[stuck shuttle]

GRG is the rotation for Exsang

[swift skiff]

give me rings, give me daggers, stop letting noobs gear faster than me

[magic zenith]

R gives you elaborate planning for the second g

[solemn mason]

how does exsanguinate work?

[stuck shuttle]

It makes your bleeds tick 2x as fast

[severe hemlock]

So you exsang a 2-3cp rupture?

[stuck shuttle]

no

G R G

[magic zenith]

Rgrmr

[stuck shuttle]

then vendetta

mut

Rupture again

[magic zenith]

Grgmr

[stuck shuttle]

so you full pandemic garrote

full pandemic rupture

then u exsang

and u have EP running

[severe hemlock]

okay sure, that makes more sense

in a world where you don't have vendetta i wonder what's better

like for m+ or w/e

[magic zenith]

Grgvmre

There we go

[severe hemlock]

idk prolly just cutting the vendetta, losing any ticks on the garrote feels p bad though.

[magic zenith]

Vendetta will still be up for vanish gg again

[arctic crow]

You all sound like you're grummbling at each other

Grg

[magic zenith]

The tricky part is lining vendetta, vanish, and ex again

[surreal rivet]

u guys think assa will be better then sub overall?

[fierce ingot]

depends on content rly

imo sin is always great for raiding cause its so consistent

[surreal rivet]

yeah if the chest is good to me tomorrow i might swap sin full time

[normal surge]

13k as sub, 12,5k as sin - thinking about going sin for mythic progression next week

[shell owl]

I’ve been saving all my gear for the day sin takes over the world. I like sin a lot for raids, but outlaw is too much fun in M+.

[prisma pond]

implying SS wont be stealth nerfed by 80% tomorrow :^)

[ruby idol]

Do we lose damage by reapplying Rupture before an Exang'd Rupture completely ticks off?

[verbal sorrel]

bro the uldir helm just boosted my sim dps by 400

Kreygasm

[sonic spindle]

Is it cool for me to link someone elses log? I'm just clueless where all this garrote dmg is coming from

[prisma pond]

lol

[sullen robin]

garrote damage comes from you guessed it

garrote

[sonic spindle]

it's their top dmg

[sullen robin]

yeah

have you read the trait

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[sullen robin]

look that trait up

[prisma pond]

There is a trait that increases the damage of each garrote tic, when you stack 3 of these traits you achieve SSx3 AND GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOND

[sonic spindle]

I thought that gave combo points

[sullen robin]

lol

gives 2 combo points

when cast from stealth, but also stacking dmg increase

with more ss traits

so you get alot of damage from it on opener

and than vanish cd window

does like 20-30% of dmg

[sonic spindle]

Guess I'll just cross my fingers I get it on my next azerite piece

thanks blizz

[sullen robin]

helm is from shrine

shoulders from freehold

[sonic spindle]

do pieces have preset traits?

[sullen robin]

yes

[sonic spindle]

I thought they rolled randomly

[sullen robin]

lol no

[sonic spindle]

you just blew my mind

[prisma pond]

wew

[sullen robin]

are you new to bfa

genuinely curious

[sonic spindle]

I just hate azerite garbage

I never really looked into it that deep

[prisma pond]

theres even a trait finder on wowhead that will tell you which pieces have the trait you want

[civic palm]

Hates something, doesn't even understand it > _>"

[sonic spindle]

Are we pretending azerite is a good design?

I mean, the fact I have to regress from uldir to find a dungeon set of armor already feels awful

[prisma pond]

no ones defending azerite armor

[sullen robin]

yeah

[mortal oracle]

@sonic spindle M0 run takes you 20min + 5 to form group just sounds like your whinging

[jovial vault]

Just bring back tier blizz has gotten really lazy

[civic palm]

Azerite is fine, what's your problem > _>

[undone cairn]

Will we able to ever get azerite gear from mythic+'s?

[delicate root]

Azerite > tier imo

[civic palm]

Not from the end chest, probably not.

[undone cairn]

(other than weekly chest)

[civic palm]

Well we might when the new set of traits is released.

[undone cairn]

rip

[prisma pond]

No, only the weekly chest

[undone cairn]

340 for life I guess

Until next set

[civic palm]

or just get the better shit out of raid > _>

[sonic spindle]

does the raid have the right traits?

[undone cairn]

But there's only one piece of SS in raid

[sullen robin]

some do

[sonic spindle]

I didn't see one with shroud

[civic palm]

It has good traits.

[undone cairn]

[sly kestrel]

Question about SS trait, do I wait for the buffed garrote tick to be over on 2 adds before putting garrote on the third mob because of the bug?

[civic palm]

1 with shroud, still blind good job.

[sonic spindle]

I asked if it did because I didn't see it

[civic palm]

370 with laser matrix won't beat 370 with SS though.

[undone cairn]

Yeah

[civic palm]

But it might beat a 355 with SS.

[delicate root]

Just got chest from ghuun... Have to decide 3xSS vs +15ilvl

[undone cairn]

But it might beat a 340 SS

or flat out cz

Cx

I think there's also a sharpened shuriken in there too

Or sharpened blades I forget the name

[prisma pond]

Dont have to decide anything with the power of SIMS

[civic palm]

There is no Sharpened Blades in raid.

[delicate root]

Ye I know, but there's a bit more to it

[civic palm]

Probably thinking of this

[delicate root]

I guess 3xSS is gonna be better in dungeons

[undone cairn]

Yeahh

That's the one

[civic palm]

Laser Matrix might just shit on M+, I dunno.

I don't think so TBH.

But for raids you want to be able to trigger Reorigination Array eventually.

[delicate root]

Get like 75 haste from it

[undone cairn]

Op op

[civic palm]

Also scales weekly.

So it's gonna win out sooner or later.

or with a number of bosses killed, which is still technically weekly > _>

[fresh nexus]

does 355 weapons upgrades a lot of your dps? i only have 340

[delicate root]

MH dps is our primary stat, so yes

[strange python]

3xSS feels too good to drop

😩

I'm a whore for trait stacking, have 3xDS 3xBitS and 3xSS

[arctic crow]

How do your specs sim against each other

[strange python]

Post nerf Sin is stronger

[arctic crow]

In a similar situation with bis azerite and assassin is allot lower for some reason

[strange python]

I've had garbage luck with loot though

Pre-nerf it was like 13.1K Sin, 13.2K Sub, 13.4K Outlaw

Now it's like 13.1K Sin (still), 12.6K Sub, 12.4K Outlaw

[undone cairn]

Stat priority is different from outlaw to assa

[strange python]

ofc simmed with different stats

[undone cairn]

So if you're switching from outlaw

[arctic crow]

See mine was different. 13.1k outlaw / sub. Like 12.4 assassin

[undone cairn]

You'll be seeing bit of a loss

[strange python]

Yeah naturally it varies depending on what I have available

I tried to counteract it by changing enchants

and gems

in the sim

[arctic crow]

Ya pretty much. I'll do top gear sins for each

[undone cairn]

Yeah otherwise rip

[arctic crow]

Sims

[strange python]

Exactly what I did

[undone cairn]

Better go farm better gear

Again

[wispy oar]

I've been trying to play SIN the whole time but never get 340+ daggers

[arctic crow]

Lol

[strange python]

Yeah I am, just been unlucky

[undone cairn]

I'm in the same position

[wispy oar]

I have 345 mace and 340 fist so been playing outlaw

[undone cairn]

But I'm at like 12.9k so it isn't too bad

[strange python]

I'm still like 348, got guildies who are 10 ilvls higher than me 😂

Still outdps the crap classes ofc

[arctic crow]

Saaame

[undone cairn]

Lul

[mint osprey]

I have good weps from PvP but shit azerite luck

Only 1 SS

[strange python]

I've been very lucky with my 355 and 340 pieces and their Azerite

Been able to 3x all the good traits

But pure ilvl has been garbage

[mint osprey]

I have 3x 340 DS

But come tomorrow I don't really wanna play outlaw

[strange python]

Haha yeah same

I loved the chunky DS crits

It's still a fun spec

[mint osprey]

Me too man

[arctic crow]

I feel like I'll still play outlaw vs zul

[strange python]

Man OL will be so shot in pvp once the nerfs hit

[sour trout]

Anyone whos a BE rogue, when do u guys use arcane torrent on ur opener?

[strange python]

will be a stun and blind bot

[wispy oar]

only thing nice about Outlaw was target swapping

but I prefer SIN rotation by far... so much RNG with RtB

is annoying

[open wolf]

So I tried Assassination, but I cannot pull more than 5k DPS

Whereas with Sub I can pull 11k with my opener with a steady 6-7k

[sour trout]

like

your opener is 5k?

[open wolf]

yeah

I have no clue what the fuck im doing wrong

[sour trout]

whats ur opener type it out

[open wolf]

lol

[sour trout]

i swithced sub to assassination i might be able to help a bit

my openeres are like 25k

[thin plinth]

guyssss

i need help

with a question

[civic palm]

SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE

[thin plinth]

what spec is the best for orbs

ghuun fight

[sour trout]

none lol

WW

[strange python]

^

HAHA

[thin plinth]

isnt it outlaw

[open wolf]

Garrote > Mutilate > Rupture > Vendetta > Envenom

that's my opener

[strange python]

Do you have SS?

[sour trout]

nah

[wispy oar]

yea rogues shouldn't be doing orbs really but Outlaw would be best cause of grappling hook

[sour trout]

you want garrote -> rupture -> garrote (for epedemic) -> Mut -> rupture -> vendetta -> exing

[strange python]

Depends on if he has SS or not, no?

Would need a mut after garrote if he lacks SS

[sour trout]

oh well true

[civic palm]

SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE

[wary temple]

i found out i wasn't using double garrotes in both my opener and in rotation. How much of a dps loss would that be?

[strange python]

Yeah lol just check the guide

[sour trout]

i save all my azerite pieces so i had SS switching over

[strange python]

Huge Sylaan

Night and day

[open wolf]

I checked the guide but I'm still terrible lol

[strange python]

If you have SS

[wary temple]

yeah i have 2 😄

and i wasnt doing it

[strange python]

Yeah dude

[open wolf]

What's SS

[wary temple]

Damn that huge?

[strange python]

Yeah it's massive

Dude shit hits like a TRUCK

[wary temple]

I was still doing legion rotation :/

[sour trout]

Shrouded Suffocation

[strange python]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[wary temple]

I was still parsing legendaries and 90s on heroic without it. So i hope it goes higher ;D

[strange python]

Haha it will

[open wolf]

Ah I see, I'm still a low iLvL rogue, does it mostly depend on Azeroth gear?

[strange python]

A strong SS opener and a Poison Bomb proc on top of it is just pure nectar 👌

[open wolf]

I'm 332 atm

[strange python]

Do you have the trait on your gear or not?

[open wolf]

Nah unfortunately not

[strange python]

Then your rotation is correct

[undone cairn]

@wary temple when you say double garrote in rotation you mean vanishing to do empowered ones right?

[strange python]

No

You garrote after your first rupture

[fallow sinew]

subterfuge

[wary temple]

no like garrote > rupture > garrote opener, and vanish garrote garrote correct? I wasnt doing that

[strange python]

For CP and for your Exsang

[open wolf]

ok I guess I'll just stick to Sub untill I get better gear for assassination since this is abysmal

[undone cairn]

No you're right I was just questioning what you wrote

[strange python]

Garrote -> Rupture -> Garrote -> Vendetta -> Rupture -> Exsang

[sour trout]

well if your sub set has 3xBitS then yeah its gonna be much stronger til you get 3xSS for ass

[undone cairn]

When you described double garrote in rotation

[wary temple]

yeah sorry that's what i meant

[strange python]

nvm a mut after vendetta too

[undone cairn]

Yea

[strange python]

You want a 5 cp rupture to exsang

[open wolf]

nah I don't have any OP azeroth traits yet

[sour trout]

🤔

[wary temple]

yeah i know it now, i just wasnt using it haha

[undone cairn]

Toxic blades for life (until exsang sims higher) kappa

[strange python]

You vanish when your exsang garrote runs out Sylaan

[wary temple]

for exsang, should i hold it for 2nd vanish after opener? They dont line up i think

[sour trout]

the 2nd time vendetta is up do u guys vanish -> garrote garrote rupture -> Vendetta -> exing? or do u vendetta before vanish?

[strange python]

Yeah they don't line up

I still don't know, don't think the guide mentions it

[undone cairn]

Ya no idea

Anything beyond the guide I'm clueless gg

[sour trout]

you can hold/delday it if vanish is 10 sec away

hold/delay*

[strange python]

You always want to pair Vanish with Vendetta though ofc

Well

[wary temple]

even if vanish is on 30 cd?

[sour trout]

or vise versa

[strange python]

Exsang is 45 secs so you'd have to hold it 30 seconds

Which is probably a bad idea

[sour trout]

if its not within 10 sec

[strange python]

I exsang on cd

[sour trout]

i normally won't delay

just refresh buffs use exsang and the next time around it should line up fairly close

[strange python]

How so

[open wolf]

Ok I managed more DPS

[wary temple]

should i refresh bleeds eventhough they're not on pandemic?

[open wolf]

thanks lads

[strange python]

Well I guess it should

[wary temple]

before exsang?

[sour trout]

yes

[open wolf]

I'm pulling 7K constant which is better than my sub opener

[civic palm]

SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE

[sour trout]

unless its empowered

[wary temple]

guide doesnt really mention exsang rotation..

[sour trout]

Orc, if u had correct traits both operners should be close to or over 20k

[open wolf]

is that a bot

[strange python]

It does

[open wolf]

I don't have all of the BiS Azerite gear yet

[wary temple]

just the opener i believe

[sour trout]

get to farming my dude

[open wolf]

I'm still gearing my rogue since it's my alt

[undone cairn]

Yeah that's a bot

[strange python]

iirc do you even run exsang without SS?

[undone cairn]

Continuous reminder to check out the guide

[strange python]

Shouldn't you be running TB

[civic palm]

No.

[undone cairn]

Good bot

[civic palm]

beeps

[sour trout]

i was running 3xSS and until yesterday exsang finally started simming higher, prior tho it was TB that was simming higher

[strange python]

Yeagh

[sour trout]

it jsut depends on sims

[strange python]

TB is barely beat out by Exsang for me

It's like 50 dps

[sour trout]

yeah even tho TB was simming better i still rand with exsange cause... Gameplay> TB

[undone cairn]

that 50 DPS totally matters

[strange python]

I like Exsang though, feelsgoodman to use

[sour trout]

^

agreed

[undone cairn]

Yes I love twisting my blades to do more damage

[sour trout]

TB just doesnt feel impactful LOL.. feels like a autoattack on CD

[undone cairn]

makes me feel like a true assassin

[strange python]

Toxic Blade makes me feel pressured to fit in envenoms and bank energy in a different way

3xSS opener with exsang just feels so filthy

[sour trout]

remember in legion when it was broken?

holy fuckkk exsang was beautiful.

[open wolf]

Also in regards to FoK, is it worth spamming at any point?

[civic palm]

Stealth into the PINS and ASSASSINATED that GUIDE ~ ~ ~ http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ ~ ~ ~

[sour trout]

i think guide says 3+ mobs.. but i do it only 4+ mobs

[open wolf]

yeah guess it's worth applying poision for energy regen

also fuck your guide I want to talk to humans because sometimes experience is better than what some cock wrote

thanks

[civic palm]

That's not fair to Weak = \

One of the literal best > _>

[sour trout]

to be fair, i know where you're coming from but the guide is literally everything i've said.

[civic palm]

Doods.

[open wolf]

looked at the guide and tried the rotation

[storm eagle]

Lol his just mad

[sour trout]

except a much more experienced player wrote the guide lol

[open wolf]

nailed it after someone explained it

[strange python]

Yeah obv some discussion is always warranted

[civic palm]

Should have just read it twice > _>

😛

[storm eagle]

No need to insult the person that went out of the way to write something

[strange python]

The game is more flexible than what a guide can cover but I haven't run into a situation where the guide doesn't have at least a decently useful answer

[sour trout]

what i normaly do is read the guide try my best and ask questions that will fill in between the lines of the guide

like..

WHEN THE FUCK DO WE ARCANE TORRENT

PLEASEEEE

[strange python]

never

:^)

[sour trout]

BE master race

[spice surge]

You berserking* instead

[sour trout]

lul

[strange python]

Trolls & Orcs TBQH

not Belves

[sour trout]

i hate that Arcane torrent is on GCD cause it makes it such a sacrifice to use, but the energy gain is sooo gooodd

[quick ice]

Arcane Torrent when you need to purge something, or on CD at low energy

[fallow sinew]

can someone point me to a sin build for M+ ? I'm aiming for best overall damage for the whole run

[civic palm]

I only link the Guide when the answer it readily apparent in the guide, otherwise I will yell about Pins O _O"

[undone cairn]

I didn't even know arcane torrent gave energy wtf

[civic palm]

_>

[dull osprey]

How is Sin doing so much damage in raid? Like top rogues are sin atm. I thought outlaw and sub are supposed to be higher.

[sour trout]

don't explain urself @civic palm

[fossil jewel]

"You do not want to overwrite a Nightstalker empowered Rupture or Garrote until it has expired."
Can someone explain this to me

[sour trout]

we love you ❤

[open wolf]

"Fan of Knives, if there are 3 or more targets"
Does FoK always build same combo points? ie. 1 if it hits an enemy?

[civic palm]

I WILL EXPLAIN MYSELF AND YOU WILL ENJOY IT

[open wolf]

Since shuriken storm works very differently to FoK

[civic palm]

FoK is 1CP + crits from Seal Fate.

[sour trout]

LOL

[quick ice]

1+ number of crits

[strange python]

You want the last tick on the empowered dots Phyzeek

[sour trout]

@fossil jewel i think cause its bugged

[open wolf]

ah cool

ty

[strange python]

If you overwrite it with a weaker version you'll obviously lose dps

[sour trout]

you DO not garrote again til it runs out because the stealth garrote is strong

here read this

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[fossil jewel]

but im confused, because as far as i know, rupture doesnt get a dmage bonus from stealth

[sour trout]

oh that part

nah i dont think thats right

[strange python]

FoK doesn't work at all as Shuriken storm

[sour trout]

its just garrote afaik

[strange python]

There's more RNG involved

[civic palm]

Nah that bug has nothing to do with refreshing Garrotes, only on applying Garrote to more than 3 targets.

[fossil jewel]

ah kk

[strange python]

You need to crit with FoK to gain more combo points

[sour trout]

wait mizerok so i shouldnt be waiting til empowere garrote falls off completely?

[civic palm]

You don't override an Empowered Garrote (from Nightstalker or Subterfuge) because they do less damage.

[strange python]

So if you crit 12 targets you'll overcap to fuck or you might not crit at all and get 1 CP

[sour trout]

ah

gotcha

[strange python]

It's not like Shuriken Storm where you get it based on number of targets hit

[civic palm]

Rupture gains bonus damage from Stealth if you are specced into Nightstalker.

[sour trout]

yea switching from shuriken storm to FoK sucked.. but i got use to it pretty fast

[strange python]

Yeah it snapshots

[sour trout]

ahhhh i c @civic palm

[strange python]

Doesn't work like EP

[civic palm]

Wish there was a webhook to allow linking to spells = \

[strange python]

Yeah

Is Nightstalker ever worth it btw

Even with no SS

[civic palm]

Nope.

Well...

probably not.

[strange python]

Yeah would assume so

The 80% on garrote is too good to pass up

[civic palm]

Top 10

ezpz

~1% DPS difference.

[strange python]

Man we need a big boss cleave fight where the bosses are stationary and easy to switch between

Sin would crush it so bad

And where they last longer than Arms and DH burst aoe phases

[pastel wasp]

ehhhh

what about exsang

resim!

[strange python]

lazy simming tbqh

[civic palm]

Those are not EX sims.

[undone cairn]

Damn look at those people using mp

[strange python]

or did you sim it all

[undone cairn]

I wonder if they have a lot of mastery

[strange python]

ussh

[civic palm]

Vigor down a little further.

[undone cairn]

Wait what is this

[strange python]

Deeper Stratagem would feel like such garbage to play

[pastel wasp]

ooooo

yea i was interested in that

DS simms 2rd

3rd

[strange python]

3rd with Nightstalker

[thick jacinth]

what is this

[strange python]

But the gap between it and the top 2 is probably massive

[civic palm]

Everyone should know this layout O _O"

That APL probably does 6CP > Vanish > RUP > Garrote

[pastel wasp]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/19#class=Rogue&spec=Assassination

exsang and tb

very close

[strange python]

Yeah

Seems like preference really

play what you play better

[pastel wasp]

yea

for now lol

[strange python]

haha

naturally

[pastel wasp]

inb4 another garrote nerf

[strange python]

inevitable

or at least SS nerf

[thick jacinth]

the trait will get a nerf

but it won't stop any scaling

[pastel wasp]

get a nerf, still #1

lol

[strange python]

lol

#1 trait or #1 spec

[thick jacinth]

more important things to worry about tbh

like uh

shadow priests

and boomkins being garbo

[pastel wasp]

wtf are shadow priests

never seen them

[thick jacinth]

exactly

[strange python]

the specs are close enough to each other that we need to switch depending on encounter

[pastel wasp]

the real question is

wtf are feral druids

[strange python]

like Zul favours Sub so much for raid QoL on Hexers

[thick jacinth]

budget assassination rogues

[pastel wasp]

cos 5% buff isnt gonna do much for them

lol

[strange python]

Their issue is gameplay too

They're just energy starved all the time

from what I understand it's like playing when you forget your poisons 😂

"where the f is my energy"

"oh my poisons ran out"

[undone cairn]

f

I keep forgetting to reapply my poisons

😂

[solid sleet]

Should I be looking at versatility much? I've been avoiding it for haste/crit/mastery

[strange python]

Played outlaw and sub too much

[civic palm]

https://gfycat.com/BleakUniqueGreatwhiteshark

[strange python]

hahahha

[undone cairn]

Is vers your lowest stat weight?

[strange python]

Yeah I need to get your WA's

[pastel wasp]

use a weakaura that does that

;p;

lol

i do

its fkn annoying though

[strange python]

Yeah

[strange python]

HAHHAAHAH

[pastel wasp]

imagine if you spec'd master poisoner

lel

[strange python]

Almost worse than forgetting to repair and remembering you forgot just as you pull so you rush to the auto hammer to try to fix it

[undone cairn]

Where do I get these WA's at

[pastel wasp]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[strange python]

Then getting caught in combat out of stealth

😩 🔫

[daring imp]

https://wago.io/BycCWhX4Q this dumbass panda from here

[undone cairn]

I meant for the poisons

Ty

[daring imp]

fml i had to put some repair weakaura to not forget to repair

[civic palm]

If you want mine just degroup them from my WA, ezpz.

Because I refuse to make it stand-a-lone > _>

[compact peak]

how does sin perform in mythic plus at the moment?

[civic palm]

Very well.

[pastel wasp]

the garrote damage is disgusting

in M+

with exsang

[spice surge]

Arguably the best, atleast one of the best speccs

[strange python]

All rogue specs perform top-tier in M+

+the survivability and utility

+shroud

[spice surge]

+sap

For +10

[strange python]

ye

will always be a top-tier pick

[spice surge]

Not having CCs for infested would suck

[strange python]

uuuuuuuuushhhhhh

[pastel wasp]

sap doesnt work in all dungeons

lol

[strange python]

tru

like those fucking skellies in King's Rest

[undone cairn]

Rip kings rest

[pastel wasp]

YES

lol

[undone cairn]

lol

[strange python]

fuck them

[pastel wasp]

but least we got blind

[strange python]

Shadowstep spamming bastards

[pastel wasp]

no man

the WW's

[undone cairn]

Kings rest take so long to run

[pastel wasp]

stupid WW's

[undone cairn]

Fuck that dungeon

[strange python]

Dude

[daring imp]

https://wago.io/ryAsZbNdX

[strange python]

We tried to mass root them+have our DH fucking bolt out the corridor to kite them

to dump stacks

[undone cairn]

Lmao

[severe ice]

what weapon enchants for sin?

[strange python]

And they fucking stepped to him and caught him

With the roots still on

At least the bosses are a joke in KR

not that they aren't jokes everywhere else too

Being slow to open the coffin so you can refresh your dots 😉

[daring imp]

check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h6H_-FbRzs&feature=youtu.be&t=20m38s

20:38 mark

[strange python]

damn

[hollow pine]

Wow

[strange python]

Deleted

[daring imp]

irontide ravager casts "painful meditation", kills his own allies lul

[strange python]

HAHA

Yeah I was like wut

[daring imp]

almost instant 34%

[thick jacinth]

his bars tho

[strange python]

okay this is a question I doubt is answered in the guide

[civic palm]

Oh yeah?!

[strange python]

If I'm going to Exsang, is it worth it to overcap CP to get a full CP Rupture?

[daring imp]

if he got used to threatbars wut can we do lul

[civic palm]

gets his fucking copy/pasta ready

[thick jacinth]

do I need sound for this video btw

[civic palm]

Nah just do the normal rotation.

[strange python]

ah okay

I mean worst case you can just hold garrote for the last CP

[daring imp]

@thick jacinth isn't it muted? @_@"

[thick jacinth]

oh I just have my browser at work muted

[daring imp]

i mean only music in the background

[thick jacinth]

bc I go on fb

[civic palm]

Since you will be refreshing Rupture during it's duration, refreshing it at 3-4CP will probably net more of its' pandemic'd duration.

[surreal rivet]

well boys assa will be best spec tomorrow Kappa

[strange python]

haha

[pastel wasp]

garrote garrote garrote things die

[thick jacinth]

wtf did all that dmg

[daring imp]

9:43 PM] Ongbak: irontide ravager casts "painful meditation", kills his own allies lul

😛

could be a dk pulling them all together with grip and someone aoe ccing but druids skill that pulls them all is really best for doing that

like ... really good, no one leaves until the add casts painful meditation

[surreal rivet]

i honestly think assa might overtake sub

[strange python]

"think"

Quite likely

Depends on the fight ofc

[vapid moth]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[daring imp]

how do we deal with infested as smoothly as sub?

[thick jacinth]

sap

haha

just kill it seperate

[strange python]

Go bonkers lul

Btw why'd you ask about sub here?

I mean infested is basically made for sub

[civic palm]

or just doing it later.

Turns out there are options :3

[thick jacinth]

actually haven't ran a freehold on anything other than m0

so I didn't know what painful motivation was

[gloomy stump]

fucking blizzard took my alliance tabard away

and wont give it back

[daring imp]

@strange python 'cuz i had hope for us to have some way to deal as smooth as them 😦

[strange python]

The garrison one Coup?

Why

[gloomy stump]

no, im horde and had the alliance tabard from back in cata where you could buy it. they hotfixed it so that you cant buy it as horde anymore. i did a race change to maghar and the tabard turned into the horde one

wrote a ticket and the gm doesnt want to give it back. he says i shouldnt have had it in first place

[mossy hazel]

Gahuun, sin rogue better off running around dotting up eye stalks?

[civic palm]

imo triple garrote the opener, make sure to get the debuff and then do what the raid comp. needs.

[strange python]

Yeah

Strat over padding

Like not taking SecTec as sub rogue on Zul hehe

[mossy hazel]

raid putting all melle on big dude, thought I might be able to help with stalks better though, was just curious

[dapper marlin]

guys

can u link best azerite traits for pve sin rogue

bis and shit

[gloomy stump]

just put bleeding if they are next to the big guy and use fok if there are 3 targets to keep poisons up

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=azerite_traits&type=trait_stacking&tier=3

[strange python]

Anyone else disappointed Hidden Blades doesn't look denser the more stacks you use it at

Imagine if it was this massive super dense explosion of knives at 20

[civic palm]

Image if you just, lost all of your frames from hitting ONE button!

_>

[strange python]

YEAH

Already happens on pull anyway so why not

[civic palm]

Yeah but now instead of 30fps you have 4 from time to time.

[cerulean walrus]

Getting that vanilla experience right there

Hidden Blades so hard that you get D/Ced

[strange python]

Shuriken Tornado should fire all the Shuriken Storms at once

👌

[gloomy stump]

does the azerite trait fan of blades stack 3x with the pvp talent flying daggers?

[strange python]

That's a good question

🤔

[spice surge]

Probably

[strange python]

When Exsang comes off CD, do I refresh rupture immediately even if it's outside the Pandemic breakpoint or do I wait

[daring imp]

you probably want to set it up a few secs earlier

[edgy trellis]

When I sim with 3 SS and 2SS I dont get any upgrade should I get 3SS ?

[polar marten]

Quick question, when vanish and vendetta come back up what should rotation be? (also have 3 SS azerite traits) . Should it be garrote ->garrote-> refresh rupture/ envenom? or some thing else?

[lethal portal]

I think a dumb question but need to ask - does it matter which dagger I use Deadly & Quick Navigation on?

[rustic rune]

just to double check crimson tempest is worth to cast on 2 targets right?

[strange python]

Yes

Kane

it does

[lethal portal]

Which should get Deadly and which Quick? I'm seeing different advice over different guides

[wild crown]

mainhand important ench

[strange python]

I'd say you should

[wild crown]

since it hits more often

seems logical

[strange python]

Most likely you'll want haste in your main hand

[sudden trench]

hows your sims lookin as assas

[strange python]

better than sub and outlaw post nerf

simmed myself with weapons in different order

It's a 10 dps difference

[lilac coral]

made like a 4-10 dps difference with identical daggers, could've just been variance between sims

[sudden trench]

fk raid azerite pieces tho, worst traits but still an upgrade

[strange python]

so it barely matters for sin

[wild crown]

well

if you have it wrong over the entire expansion

[strange python]

Yeah supra

got the same result

[hot snow]

I'll probably go back to sin. My sub dmg is inconsistent (cause I'm bad)

[wild crown]

and you fight for like 30 days total

[strange python]

git gud

[spice surge]

10 dps is literally nothing

Sim again and it might be -10

[strange python]

ye

[spice surge]

Its within the error range

[lilac coral]

that's exactly what i did lol

[hot snow]

I have been but I'm a chronic panic masher

[strange python]

Play OL then lul

[sudden trench]

all 3 specs will be fine after nerf

[wild crown]

if you fight for 30 straight days over the entire expansion then thats 432k dmg

[sudden trench]

its not like you wont do dmg in sub and ol

[strange python]

panic masher but is going to play the absolute lowest APM spec in the game 🤔

[hot snow]

eh nty. different stats to play with. I'm just more comfy with sin

[sudden trench]

know what the funny thing is, I will outburst you as assas vs sin

[strange python]

assas vs sin 🤔

[hot snow]

sin vs sin?

[sudden trench]

soz sin vs sub

[wild crown]

🤔

[lilac coral]

the great exs vs TB duel of our time

[sudden trench]

sin has a bigger burst for me

[strange python]

Yeah opener burst as sin is huge

GARROTE OP

[sudden trench]

m+ 20k after boss fight

its fked

[wild crown]

the best part about garrote is saying it with vigor

[hot snow]

oh yea. I just worked out that I've been missing vanish 😳

[wild crown]

like GARR O TE!

[strange python]

Vanish isn't that big a deal to miss as sub

It's huge as sin

[wild crown]

ehhh

oh yeah as sin

[lilac coral]

gotta say it like karate

[strange python]

If you play sub and forget vanish it's subpar but still ok

forget vanish as sin and it's game over

[sudden trench]

quite odd that its vanish --> garrote -->garrote

[hot snow]

my sim dps will take a hit but at least I'll be hitting it consistently

[strange python]

pack up and go home

[wild crown]

i have never used vanish as sub for dps

its just not in my head lol

least not in uldir

[strange python]

Your sim dps will take a hit as sub soon though 😏

[wild crown]

just swap to 3x sharpened blades

[sudden trench]

Whats your sim dps as sub Jaznah

[hot snow]

13.5k ish

[sudden trench]

im at 14.3 as sin

[strange python]

going to be like 12.5K

post nerf

[hot snow]

o.O is that cause you're shiny af or ?

I'm only able to sim as 12.4 as sin

[sudden trench]

just saying sin is good

dont just drop it

[strange python]

What's your ilvl nemz

[sudden trench]

357

[tardy wigeon]

is the H G'Huun trinket any good for rogue?

[strange python]

Fuuuck nice

[tardy wigeon]

sims show it really low

[strange python]

I'm 348 and sim at 13.1K

[sudden trench]

3 x SS?

[hot snow]

Anyone else dying for weap upgrades?

[strange python]

yeah

and yeah I am

[sudden trench]

ye that will change when you get raid azerite

[strange python]

I have a 340 and 345 dagger

I got a 355 chest with SS

[sudden trench]

fk u 😛

[lilac coral]

346 and 12.1k because the trait system is a disaster

[hot snow]

3+ dudes in my guild have gotten 370 weaps in my guild

I'm still running with a 330 dagger 😐

[sudden trench]

ye i have a 370 and 360 😃

[urban storm]

so does the azerite power weights addon shown on herodamage display similar to the NCL ones ?

[wild crown]

jaznah one 330 or 330 highest?

[strange python]

Do you play sin on all bosses nemz

[hot snow]

one 330

[undone cairn]

Now you're going to tell us your 360 dagger is a shiv from Tol dagor

lul

[strange python]

Playing vanilla rogue pre-DW at start

[hot snow]

365 main weap

[strange python]

ah ffs

[sudden trench]

atm I do

[strange python]

Do some pvp

[sudden trench]

played sub before 2 days ago

[strange python]

Get a 345 at least

[hot snow]

sadly I'm at work pretending to work rn

[sudden trench]

@undone cairn the 360 is actually from arena

lol

[wild crown]

yeah arenas are funny at time

[strange python]

Haven't tried sin yet

[wild crown]

got a belt that titanforged from 325 to 375

[hot snow]

Noice

[strange python]

in arena

[strange python]

btw

[thick jacinth]

what rating is challenger gear?

1600?

[strange python]

When you hit that vanish re-opener on Crowd Pummeler in ML after you hit him with the balls

😩

[sudden trench]

ye think so

[wild crown]

i just need 108 more

[strange python]

30K ST here I come

[wild crown]

then im there baybe

[thick jacinth]

I gotta start doing pvp

1600 isn't too hard to get tbh

I don't think I'll get much further than that though

[strange python]

Especially now that the mongo face-train BM+arms comps are gone lul

[thick jacinth]

double ret paladin is toxic af

[wild crown]

and all the good people have actually climbed

[daring imp]

how do people usually try to sim m+ environment, even if not applicable in every situation?

[thick jacinth]

literally instagibbed with wake and tv

[wild crown]

first time i got bursted by a ret i was like waaaaaaaaaaaaah?

[north spruce]

@sudden trench put your gear away stop showing off 😝

[wild crown]

20k trinket 20k wake 10k tv in 2 globals

[thick jacinth]

yeah dude it's busted

[magic zenith]

all of a sudden my energy feels real fucking slow

[thick jacinth]

drink coffee

[supple hearth]

pvp brackets pinned in #pvp btw

[wild crown]

remember to stay hydrated

[sudden trench]

@north spruce go play in the Outlaw channel 😃

[north spruce]

You’re just mad I have 3xSS and not using it 😆

[sudden trench]

ye fk u

[north spruce]

I prob going to try it tonight though

[vagrant wasp]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[vagrant wasp]

is this accurate?

[north spruce]

Yes

[strange python]

You can still Garrote x 3, vanish, Garrote x 3 more targets though

As long as they all are empoweered

If you get more adds

[vagrant wasp]

anyone have the conditions for this hot new exsanguinate rogue that i'm seeing

[strange python]

Get Shrouded Suffocation

own

[quick ice]

Conditions?

[vapid oracle]

what do you mean conditions

[gilded fossil]

is shrouded suffication still bugged?

[strange python]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[quick ice]

Sort of

[gilded fossil]

and still worth to stack this trait as herodamage says

[strange python]

yes

it's BiS by a significant margin

a lot of fun to play with too imo

[gilded fossil]

and the opener its not on ravenholdt

[strange python]

huh

[gilded fossil]

does it change with this SS

[strange python]

Yes

Guide mentions it

[gilded fossil]

oh ill look again

[strange python]

Has several openers depending on if you have SS or not

and if you're runnig TB or ExSang

[left hedge]

Is exsang preferable if you have 3/3 SS?

[strange python]

Not necessarily

For me TB and ExSang sims super close

[vocal dock]

anyone have the engi head? how good is it for m+?

[strange python]

It has the bis aoe traits iirc

[vocal dock]

even for single target?

[strange python]

no

It's pretty trash compared to SS on ST

[left hedge]

I'm using it now...I use the buff shrink/enlarge til I find a better helm. U need it if u wanna craft the mount tho. Lots of the mats in Motherlode require over the eng cap to find.

[vocal dock]

figured, guess just for m+

[strange python]

Synaptic Spark Capacitor is the bis for aoe

[vocal dock]

godo to know

[hollow stone]

We did it, team. Finally got my 3rd ss trait

[left hedge]

Grats!

[violet spear]

would u guys run leeching poison on bursting weeks?

or still cheat

[fast nacelle]

leeching poison sucks

[hollow stone]

Id still run cheat but my healer is a mach-een

Leeching's not what it was in legion. Still great for wqs

[left hedge]

I didn't get an answer in pvp, so I thought I'd ask here real quick: For pvp trait, is 3/3 twist the knife optimal? Or is SS king for both pvp/pve?

[strange python]

I've really got no idea, haven't played sin in pvp yet.

[hollow stone]

Ive been using ss in pvp too. If you can spread garrotes it creates a ton of pressure

Even if not, ive solo'd healers without ven and with emp garr

Havent tried twist tho

[left hedge]

Was just looking at Pikaboo, so thought maybe it was BiS, but from the looks of it, he's the only rogue in the top 20 haha.

[hollow stone]

Yeaaaa. Bm hunter and arms warr still kings 😩

[left hedge]

Arms still rocks even after nerf?

I should let my friend know

[strange python]

yeah

Not as mongo though

[left hedge]

He hard-stopped trying to climb 2s at 1800 and he was on a roll

[mossy hazel]

I'm going to regret asking this becasue I'm pretty sure I've asked it before but... How do you go about simming different traits?

[wheat zealot]

Gear compare or top gear

[strange python]

Top Gear

[mossy hazel]

Just got chest off gahuun, don't know if I should take Twist or laser

[strange python]

or do you mean traits of gear you own or not

[mossy hazel]

I want to compare 2 traits on a chest I just got

[strange python]

You'd need to find gear with the traits you're curious over and put them into the Gear Compare system

oh

[mossy hazel]

I'm in gear compare and I don't see anything

[strange python]

Then you use Top Gear

if you own the piece

[mossy hazel]

Alright, thanks, I'll give it a shot

[strange python]

You select the traits inside the little "sub boxes" inside the individual item box

[mossy hazel]

Ohhh, I see it now. Awesome, thanks

[lone junco]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[daring imp]

big tips for g'huun heroic pls

[oblique vector]

have the nerfs changed stat weights at all or is it still haste/vers?

[barren spindle]

drop corruption on red circle when your team stacks before burn

Kappa

[exotic glen]

focus adds when reorigination blast comes in

Kappa

[strange python]

Volunteer to run the orb

Kappa

[exotic glen]

keep playing assa

Kappa

[gleaming geyser]

rip

[civic palm]

?

[barren spindle]

honestly g'huun is pretty easy for rogue you literally smash your face and move out of orbs

[strange python]

Trash trinket is probably what he meant

[barren spindle]

@daring imp

[gleaming geyser]

1 expulsom

[strange python]

exactly

It's sad

[barren spindle]

still worth more than sanguicell

[strange python]

At ilvl 400 it barely outperforms a 340 harlan's

I have like 80 sanguicells

[undone cairn]

lul

[strange python]

I've been absolutely shafted in terms of loot

[robust light]

whats best usage of exsang on aoe and st?

[true sedge]

hello

[final stone]

is it worth it to do assa with only one trait of SS??

[undone cairn]

I cleared about 11 bosses

And got 2 pieces of gear

In uldir

Feelskmsman

[ripe yew]

I got 2 chest pieces on my hunter, the archive of titans thingy and laser matrix

[placid elbow]

I got a titanforged trinket from the first boss

otherwise, i'm geared poorly haha

[final stone]

sooo is toxic blade the way to go or exsan

[daring imp]

@barren spindle ty ❤

[sullen robin]

@final stone

[smoky prism]

CT is best for M+, right?

Once you get enough adds it pulls ahead of PB?

[stone quartz]

!SIMS

[prisma monolith]

BfA Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[final stone]

how do you tell if a garrote is empowered?

[daring imp]

big dmg

[rain breach]

are the honorbound azerite traids random from the warfront or always the same`?

traits

[civic palm]

No azerite traits are random

[rain breach]

thx

[bright vessel]

im about to try out assas

question about the guide... for my build it suggests: Garrote, Rupture, Garrote

do the garrotes stack?

[bright vessel]

oh nice

thank you 😃

[shadow token]

anyone do first boss on tol dogor m +10?

having some trouble

[bright vessel]

Yea i did it

basically how we had to do it was create markers in a big circle around the area

tank on each marker til the adds spawn

then move as a group to the next marker while cleaving the adds

we went counter clockwise

frost mage is good to slow them as you move the boss to the next marker

[shadow token]

ya we have a frost mage but he's not doing much with the adds to kill them

keep wiping around 35%

[bright vessel]

keep em slowed

goal is to have them dead by the time you reach the next marker

otherwise the dmg is too much

side question: How do I AOE as assassin? Just ruptures and garrote spread and hope for poison bombs?

do i even use FOK? lol

[real night]

Fok spreads your deadly poison

I would assume you want to maintain 100% uptime so fok when they're falling off.

With multiple garottes and ruptures your energy regen will be insane. Allowing you to envenom and fok more.

[lone junco]

aoe dmg is garrote.

3x ss. then vanish for 3 more. vendetta exang the prio. 20-25k trash over and over and over.

other than that g g g ct. fok fok rupture fok fok rupture 👌

[real night]

Pretty sure you don't vanish for 3 more because of SS bug. I think the optimal play for now is to wait till garrote falls off before vanishing.

[delicate gull]

vendetta before or after vanish sync after opener?

[fresh ginkgo]

feels bad when 370 azrite gear is worst than 340 with ss

[terse hinge]

@fresh ginkgo I feelie

[flint zodiac]

What do you do when an arms warrior bladestorms you in pvp

is there legit no way to shut it down

[delicate gull]

cant you just feint or evasion

[pure sand]

Would Nightstalker be better for single target with 3 SS traits?

[tacit wing]

What does ss stand for?

[delicate gull]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[flint zodiac]

Yeah feint would help with a solid amount of the damage, evasion would stop bladestorm dmg though?

[delicate gull]

pretty sure evasion does, just dodge the spins 4head

why does my fan sometimes give 1 cp and sometimes 5 in aoe

[terse hinge]

Evasion dodges it yeah but I typically wouldn't waste evasion on that. Depends on scenario I guess.

@delicate gull That is so relatable but

Idk. I reckon its due to the passive crit combo point thing..

Whatever it called. Idk off the top of my head

[frozen karma]

You get 1 extra cp per crit

[flint zodiac]

Seal Fate passive

[frozen karma]

So if you crit on multiple adds you get multiple cps

[flint zodiac]

I kinda wish it worked just like sub's did, but maybe that would be OP

[delicate gull]

but like shouldnt i get 1 cp per hit normally

[flint zodiac]

per enemy ^

[frozen karma]

Ex: 5 adds, fok with no crit -> 1cp, fok with 5 crits -> 5cp

[burnt lagoon]

Guys, I've been simming my stat weights and following it while gearing. My vers is 64 following this. Now i have been looking through alot of warcraftlogs from top rogues, and they all have 300ish vers? Could my simmed statweights be wrong or am i missing something?

[delicate gull]

I see, i guess it would be op if fan always gave 1 per normal hit

per enemy

[spring prawn]

yo

how much haste do u need as assa aoe?

my haste statweight is higher then agi

wtf