assassination

[hollow stone]

Never ct on st

[desert pelican]

@lone junco 300 hat worth it for ss trait?)

[calm grail]

Since you cannot change talents in dungeons, do you just suck it up with CT on bosses?

Obviously not using it

[hollow stone]

Yes

[tough whale]

Depends on your dungeon

I wouldnt bring it for kings rest or other small high hp mob dungeons

[hollow stone]

For m+, in general, running ct will make the overall time quicker

There are obviously exceptions in certain groups, affixes, etc. But in general, run ct in m+

[tough whale]

^

[desert pelican]

Frag running fok talent on stream, and doesnt look like his timer slowered ;D

[hollow stone]

Sin rogues have been pushing in mastery/crit gear and neglecting haste in high m+ just for the trash dmg

That should tell you enough

[cinder palm]

I like fok talent better, I actually sim almost the same and perform better with it lol

[calm grail]

355 laser matrix hood wonder if my 340 SS hood is better. Gonna have to sim it later.

[tough whale]

Well it is fort week

[lone junco]

@marble hemlock

3t. With 3G Ct and 3rupture. Do you

A. Wait a few sec for re application of Ct

B. FOK env until something drops.

C. Go ham on CT?

[tough whale]

You dont go ham on ct

[minor sleet]

hell ya just got 3rd SS piece

[tough whale]

You apply it under pandemic

[desert pelican]

@hollow stone hx god i habe no haste gear except 70 trinket from taloc ---___---

[lone junco]

There will be a crit /target point to go ham on Ct.

[tough whale]

Taloc trinket sucks ass too feels bad man

Stat budget on it is horrible

[lone junco]

It is crit and e dependent rn.

Is that the stacking haste one?

[tough whale]

Yeah

That gives 1/3rd of other dungeon proc trinkets

[lone junco]

Uptime is good in 5man

Isn't it like 60-70% uptime

[tough whale]

It sims well under anything I had so I havent used it

Its haste proc at 10 stacks is = to my haste portion of loaded dice

[desert pelican]

High uptime, but stacks wanna drop all the time, so average haste is meh

[lone junco]

I'm gonna run like 5 shrine tonight for that Gc.

[tough whale]

I've been spamming m+ for daggers and havent seen anything. Yet I get 365 outlaw weps

Getting irritated :(

[hollow stone]

Ahaha. Welcome to the party

[undone cairn]

i wonder if i can down heroic zul with a pug group before reset

hmmmmmmm

[hollow stone]

If it wasnt for pvp, id still have 325 daggers 😩

[desert pelican]

Only good trinket for my mut i have is azerok piece, wih agi proc and some mastery, 355 tough

[tough whale]

Maybe. Zul isnt too bad

[unreal coyote]

why would you wanna put yourself through that

[undone cairn]

370 dagger

[tough whale]

^

[summer yoke]

How's sin doing right now? Anyone topping meters in their group?

[tough whale]

Shouldnt be yet tbh

[summer yoke]

@serene glacier where you get that dagger?

[desert pelican]

@tough whale man, i spam m+ couple of days in a hope for ss trait azerot pieces. And no on told me about they drop rate in m+;D

[delicate root]

about to on Taloc

[hollow stone]

We all are topping meters in every group and situation. Sin needs nerf

😮

[tough whale]

F

Every group i form only has sethralis or seige keys

[undone cairn]

i dont want to spam tol dagors

with this sanguine

[serene glacier]

@summer yoke Warfront

[tough whale]

Its easy

[undone cairn]

tanks just freak out and run around

like crazy

annoying af

[tough whale]

I just run outlaw in our 5s and drool on myself while I never get daggers

[summer yoke]

@serene glacier nice man. Is the warfront world boss out yet?

[frigid kestrel]

So is Galecaller’s Bloom essentially BIS for sin currently?

[tough whale]

Depending on ilevel l ofc

[hollow stone]

If equal ilvl, gc is bis afaik

[frigid kestrel]

That’s what I mean, on the same ilvl as other trinkets it comes out on top, right?

[glacial jasper]

360 freehold trink ftw

[desert pelican]

Cannon one?;)

[torpid sluice]

Harlan

[hollow stone]

The dics

[tough whale]

Cannon isnt freehold

[desert pelican]

Oh y

[minor sleet]

fathom/galecaller best i think

[tough whale]

Silly

[hollow stone]

Gimme dem dicrolls

[tough whale]

I saw 2 355 dice in m0, now havent seen one since

[desert pelican]

Have this fkc dices in 25 ilvl, but our group feral get 60 gc + dices in one myth0runs

[tough whale]

And gets benched still lul

[desert pelican]

Obviously he didnt have any 60 trinket

Yrah, but who cares ;D

[lone junco]

I want dice/gc for m+. Fathoms is Garbo in SS cleave.

[hollow stone]

Feral highest simming druid spec in 385 gear. Still worse to play than boomy. Rip in peace, ferlol

[tough whale]

Yeah not to mention it doesnt go past 355 so we replace fathoms next week with m+ spam

[torpid sluice]

got 360 boon, 355 harlan, had a 355 dead-eye (SoB) and the 355 Motherlode trinket :c

[desert pelican]

Doesnt it too hard to stay for all gc zone time in high m+?

[lone junco]

When garrote is 65% dmg and fathoms is 2.5%. I know where to put my multipliers.

[frigid kestrel]

@minor sleet I got my Fathom, farmed fish for 2 hours to make the 130k needed to buy one in ah

[stuck shuttle]

Fathom's won't be replaced that fast.

[tough whale]

Yes it will lmao

[lone junco]

Idealy for raid. 1 /use to align.

[tough whale]

When the mythic + gear cap raises on Tuesday you will farm 370+ dice and galecallers

[hollow stone]

Cant we get like 385 gear from m10 starting this week??

[tough whale]

Yep

[minor sleet]

@frigid kestrel nice i'm still working towards mine. Fathom + galecaller is best combo, right ?

[wheat zealot]

If youre lucky enough to get two 375-380+ trinks right off the bat

Good luck

[stuck shuttle]

^

[hollow stone]

Yea. Dmc will be replaced soon

[lone junco]

I need a +10 tonight. Who wants to carry me? I'll do like 12k overall with 18-25k st 😉

[minor sleet]

@hollow stone with what ? 😃

[undone cairn]

370+ dice/gc

ez

[hollow stone]

With m10 trinkets

Yea

Sure

[minor sleet]

oo okay cool

makes sense 😄

[undone cairn]

luckily

[tough whale]

+7 will most likely be most time efficient to farm

[undone cairn]

freehold fast af to do

so

shrine on the otherhand

[wheat zealot]

Lmao yall act like your guranteed a drop first time you do shrine or freehold

[undone cairn]

might take you a while

[tough whale]

You act like you can't spam m+

:)

[minor sleet]

ya i'm still getting darkmoon better than my my ilvl 325 one atm

[stuck shuttle]

you act like running +7-10+ is going to be easy for most people

[minor sleet]

last me 1 or 2 weeks hopefully

[wheat zealot]

I have been all week, still havent seen a single trinket

[stuck shuttle]

at this ilvl

[undone cairn]

rip

[tough whale]

Next week it will be

[frigid kestrel]

My 330 gc is outsimming my 360 Frenetic Corpuscle

[undone cairn]

i got 355 dice back to back doing freehold on my outlaw rogue feelsbad

[stuck shuttle]

majority of people havent even cleared normal Uldir

[tough whale]

Its bursting week ezpz

[hollow stone]

Next week it will be easy if youve been no lifing

[undone cairn]

still using 340 weapons

[desert pelican]

Cant find any group, who believe for 346 rogue -- no 7 key on this week --

[hollow stone]

No life harder 🙃

[undone cairn]

lol

i'm tryin

spamming these tol dagors

[tough whale]

I mean blizzard gives loot to those who deserve it

;)

[wheat zealot]

Lul

[undone cairn]

😦

[unkempt pond]

feels bad man

[tough whale]

That's why our dead from 5 second warrior on taloc got a 375 wep

[undone cairn]

damn

[marble hemlock]

@lone junco sry was in a run

[undone cairn]

he definitely deserved it

[tough whale]

And I got my ghuun trinket

For the memes

[wheat zealot]

The best strat to get loot is to die on pull

[desert pelican]

Say it to hunters in my +4 keys whos doing 6-7k overall in 355 @tough whale

[normal surge]

Im looking to change from Sub to Sin

[marble hemlock]

`3t. With 3G Ct and 3rupture. Do you

A. Wait a few sec for re application of Ct

B. FOK env until something drops.

C. Go ham on CT?`

If I'm already surging energy due to the ruptures/garrotes running like they should, I just spam CT yeah

[normal surge]

is exsang better?

[tough whale]

Sim it

[normal surge]

than toxic blade

[exotic abyss]

Oh i forgot to ask, so in m+ 3+ tsrgets 3x garrote on 3 things then is it rupture on priority target then ex or. Rupture 3 things then ex?

[undone cairn]

literally everything that drops from mother is just op

[unkempt pond]

exsang burst

[wheat zealot]

For me its like .2% better, but id rather go mongo with TB

[tough whale]

Yeah I got my rot scour ring with a socket feels good man

[undone cairn]

w0w

[tough whale]

Tb is easier to play for sure

Depends if you want to work for that .2%

[exotic abyss]

@jovial kite

[mellow pier]

Well

Its not exactly that its just .2% better

[soft island]

You can play exa only if you use daggers transmog with fangs. It doesn't work otherwise.

[mellow pier]

Cause u gotta factor in fetid/mother/ghuun dmg boost

[normal surge]

Do you guys actually sim better as Sin compared to Sub

[mellow pier]

Or vectis how it phases

@normal surge mine are very close, 200 dps diff

[wheat zealot]

Yeah on fights with a vulnerability phase its way ahead

[hollow stone]

Sub still sims slightly better

[wheat zealot]

Bc of the burst

[mellow pier]

Yeah

[tough whale]

My ass sims higher if I get my last ss peice

[wheat zealot]

But for general usage i prefer tb, a lot easier to use.

[mellow pier]

I only have 1 ss and sim really high lol

[tough whale]

I have 2 ss and I'm only 13.2

[lusty schooner]

You'll get one from your cache, I believe

[tough whale]

My outlaw is 13.5 and sub 13.48

[lusty schooner]

We'll all get the last SS piece we need

[normal surge]

11.5k sin and 12.5k sub lol

[wheat zealot]

385 ss piece from cache plz

[hollow stone]

Pretty much the same here, @tough whale

[stuck shuttle]

13.5 on sin

pretty good

[tough whale]

You're probably simming without traits or good traits

[final dust]

Didn’t realize so many ppl were running esang, is it that much better than TB?

[stuck shuttle]

with 2xSS

[mellow pier]

Im almost 14.3k

1ss

[tough whale]

My weapons are WEAK. That's what's got my sin/sub under my outlaw

[hollow stone]

No. Exsang is not much better than tb if at all in practice

[desert pelican]

I cant get any higher than 55 if some 60 pugs doeant want to close 7key with me ;D

[tough whale]

345/340 vs outlaw 365 355

[hollow stone]

Sims arent real life

[delicate root]

yeye orange parse on taloc with exsang

[wheat zealot]

Like nurux said on fights like g'huun you will want exsang, because of vulnerability

[mellow pier]

@hollow stone thats not true

Ghuun vectis mother fetid

Exsange really far ahead

Even taloc cause long downtime

Tbh

[wheat zealot]

R29 world on mother with TB

[mellow pier]

All those parses will be obliterated

[tough whale]

Would be higher with exang

[mellow pier]

Now that good rogues going assassin

Lol

[desert pelican]

@mellow pier what if u kill fetid faster than 2.20, didt u safe u vend on vuln phase?

[wheat zealot]

Well obviously its week 1 parses

[tough whale]

Week 1 parses and most people on assas werent min/maxers

[mellow pier]

@desert pelican on heroic or mythic?

[desert pelican]

Heroic i think, mythic is not open yet, nope?

[wheat zealot]

R1 is 19k

Like 5k above 2nd

[hollow stone]

If you mess up 1 exsang youre screwed. If tou mess up 1 tb youre ok

[mellow pier]

Unless ur top 10 in the workd

[hollow stone]

Thats all i mean

[mellow pier]

Ur not killing fetid before 220

[tough whale]

Yeah but if you get an exang off correctly on mother execute

[mellow pier]

And if u are, tb might win out

[tough whale]

You smoke tb

[hollow stone]

Yeah, for sure

[tough whale]

Its risk reward

Play right or play safe

[hollow stone]

"Robot" exsang is definitely better

[mellow pier]

How can u mess up exsang

Have a stroke mid fight?

[tough whale]

Idk I'm playing devils advocate

[hollow stone]

Haha, you say that...

People mutilate at 5cp

Cause they mess up

[cerulean walrus]

The overcap is strong there

[hollow stone]

This is a thing

[mellow pier]

I mean

[hollow stone]

I know

[nocturne cradle]

hey I was reading the feint discussion up above and people were saying to use it on fetid devourer's dot. I thought it only worked on AOE damage no?

[cerulean walrus]

I saw a guy rupture with 1 combo point

[mellow pier]

Youre talking about the player who doesnt give a shit how he plays

If hes doing that

[hollow stone]

Im talking about human error due to not knowing the spec in and out

Which is the majority of players in wow

[wheat zealot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/19#boss=2141&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination

R1 by a large margin

Using tb

[mellow pier]

weeeeeek 1

Best players were on sub

More gear

Etc.

[hollow stone]

But could it have been a larger margin is using exsang? 😄

[unborn knot]

but

349 ilvl

[desert pelican]

Tb is just using on cd? Is there any situation when u hold tb?

[unborn knot]

how is that more gear

[mellow pier]

I mean

We have more gear now

And exsang is better with gear

[hollow stone]

Agreed

But not by a huge margin

[mellow pier]

The margin is bigger with vuln phases and faster kills

[hollow stone]

Also agreed

[mellow pier]

Look next week

[gray shuttle]

!stat

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[hollow stone]

Yea. We did normal last night for some non raider guildies and fetid died in 82 seconds

[opaque grotto]

Someone beat my rank 1 fetid NOOOO

[hollow stone]

I think exsang will out perform there 😃

[opaque grotto]

Exsang is easy to use

Just as easy as TB imo

[wheat zealot]

Assassinatuon in general is easy to use lul

Residentsleeper spec

[hollow stone]

Nah. You cant just push exsang on cd

That makes it harder to use

[opaque grotto]

You just pandemic your dots

Then press it

[hollow stone]

Even if its only buly a bit

[hardy anchor]

Is there an addon that makes click targetting the default nameplates cleaner? Shit is really jank.

[hollow stone]

People dont even know what pandemic your dots means half the time

[opaque grotto]

I guess

[wheat zealot]

I mean its slightly more nuanced gameplay with exsang but if youre not braindead you good

[opaque grotto]

Exsang is just better for my gear

So I play it

Meh

Idc either way

[hollow stone]

Yea. You have to actually read your abilities, something people dont like doing gasp

[opaque grotto]

Yeah someone got asshurt the other day because they asked if an ability does something

[wheat zealot]

On a 3 minute fight its a bit farther ahead

[hardy anchor]

What kind of stats you got that makes Exsang better? Might try it myself

[opaque grotto]

And I was like “does it say it does?”

[hollow stone]

Ahaha

[wheat zealot]

3 minute 2.3% ahead, 5 minute .2%

[opaque grotto]

Okay how the FUCK do you sim 14.7k?

[autumn bloom]

I bet it would jump up again in another minute

[wheat zealot]

3 minutes lul

[opaque grotto]

How short is the fight?

O

[hollow stone]

He must have a sweet mh

[autumn bloom]

Bc of vendetta vanish exsang align

[wheat zealot]

I was comparing exsang on 3 minute v. 5 minute

[opaque grotto]

I was gonna say

[wheat zealot]

3 minute =2.3% ahead of tb 5 minute .2%

[autumn bloom]

Wtf is up with ppl screenshotting sims

[opaque grotto]

I’m 355 and sim like 13.6k or so

[wheat zealot]

I sim for 13.3k on 5 minute

[autumn bloom]

Link the thing

[wheat zealot]

Bc if i post the link half yall are to lazy to click it

[autumn bloom]

It shows the banner anyway

[opaque grotto]

If you post the link

It shows the picture

[cerulean walrus]

It displays in discord lmfao

[opaque grotto]

Of your dps

[autumn bloom]

It's literally more work to do a screenshot

[wheat zealot]

But it doesnt show the difference

[autumn bloom]

And makes it harder to know wtf I'm looking at

[wheat zealot]

It only shows the top 1

[cerulean walrus]

if you post both links, it shows both

[wheat zealot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/563jdnWcL9KNFBNKmSMa11

Thats the pic i posted

There yall mfs go lul

[somber egret]

Feels bad that every rogue now is assassination

[autumn bloom]

They aren't

And even if they were why would you feel bad

[cerulean walrus]

Not even close

[wheat zealot]

I play all 3 specs

[cerulean walrus]

Outlul b8 begone

[wheat zealot]

Plenty of sub rogues

[strange python]

sin gonna be above tomorrow

woot

[somber egret]

All my rogue friends switched to ass. Maybe I was being to personal with the all comment.

[autumn bloom]

Assa is usually the first spec ppl are recommended to learn anyway, so it's not like it's ever been a small club :p

[stuck shuttle]

I already miss when sin was trash

[autumn bloom]

When was sin ever trash

[cerulean walrus]

I miss combat...

[stuck shuttle]

i meant

worst of the 3

specs

[wheat zealot]

2nd tier in a row blizz trys to force rogues to raid as sin lul

[autumn bloom]

Ah

[stuck shuttle]

all the FoTM boys moving to sin now

[autumn bloom]

Sub did ok in antorus, I think ppl just preferred not randomly clipping thru the ground and dying

[wheat zealot]

Yup lmao

[stuck shuttle]

then blizz will nerf sin

gg

[wheat zealot]

Dfa was dangerous in mythic ant

[cerulean walrus]

I hate getting roped into the FoTM crowd because then everyone calls you a FoTM player

No matter how long you've been in the spec

[hollow stone]

Just link them your rogue achieves from years back

[wheat zealot]

90% of FoTM rogues are trash, ez to tell the difference

[cerulean walrus]

Very true

[frozen karma]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[stuck shuttle]

all im saying is, ive been seeing alot more new names in the sin channel in this last week

[hollow stone]

I just link my lego dagger w a spirit gem and people stfu

[desert pelican]

Why awitching spec is bad? U use outlaw for aoe, muti for cleave and sub for st, why no

[stuck shuttle]

this channel was alot slower on BFA launch

[desert pelican]

Switching*

[cerulean walrus]

Lol gotta show em those FANGS dude

[opaque grotto]

Time to reroll to sub so I can keep my fedora on and not be FOTM

[mossy hazel]

Hey I've been here since Legion at least... Only because that's when I found this channel

[hollow stone]

Haha. There's like 10 ppl in here i recognize from the start

Our group grows 😃

[mossy hazel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cmsCK9xgfvreEL3BMf1Dry

[cerulean walrus]

tip fedora, grip katan-oh wait that's outlaw-grip dagger

[mossy hazel]

So close to that 12k

[restive path]

Are the sims on raidbots updated for nerfs ?

[autumn bloom]

the trick is not caring about ppl thinking you're fotm

[stuck shuttle]

the nightly should be

not the weekly

[pulsar goblet]

Nightly is yes

[autumn bloom]

Bc ppl only call you that if you're killing them or murdering them on the charts

[mossy hazel]

Lol, that's fair

[opaque grotto]

The only traits I have for sub is 3x shuriken toss traits

[cerulean walrus]

lmao

[opaque grotto]

Time to be extra fedora

And throw m’shuriken

[tight meteor]

whats the reason a lot of top m+ rogues are sin

is it just a monster in dungeons

[autumn bloom]

It's just crazy damage with 3ss subt atm

[cerulean walrus]

Lol yeah its a monster when you cleave, anything over that and u suk m8

[autumn bloom]

Like even if you only Garrote 3 mobs from stealth every pull you're doing

[stuck shuttle]

even 2xSS

[autumn bloom]

Fucking nutty damage

[wheat zealot]

And plus its necrotic so sin is good for slows this week

[autumn bloom]

And CT does super good in dungeons

[restive path]

I’m new to sin since I’ve been playing sub all expansion. The guide is missing a tool til in the aoe, I assumed it’s FoK?

[tulip wedge]

any good videos for assassin gameplay?

[cerulean walrus]

I was pushing keys and then my push got ended when I landed an 8 Motherlode...

Screw that garbage

[strange python]

Motherload isnt even that bad. 👀

[stuck shuttle]

no one has come close to my sin dps in M+

[cerulean walrus]

My tank didn't want to do it

[autumn bloom]

Mother loads bar req got nerfed

[mossy hazel]

Ditto, @stuck shuttle

[stuck shuttle]

maybe warrior after bladestorming

but that's it lol

[strange python]

Tbh, Trash is worse than the bosses in Motherload.

[wheat zealot]

Bm hunter comes close overall

[tight meteor]

do you go ct in dungeons

or pb

[stuck shuttle]

i never go PB

[slender sparrow]

Is Night Elf significantly ahead of other races due to Shrouded Suffocation?

[mossy hazel]

I always run PB

Because I'm lazy

[cerulean walrus]

Lol just CT the aqua blobs in Shrine before first boss and have that be the only meter you link

[stuck shuttle]

i mean i never go CT*

[tight meteor]

ok

[wheat zealot]

I usually do 13k-14k overall Bm usually pulls 12kish

[stuck shuttle]

and I pull 17-25k per pack

[wheat zealot]

Mages come close too

[hushed turtle]

Im only here because heroic decided to drop daggers instead of fists

[wheat zealot]

Must just be playing with bad dps lul

[mossy hazel]

I definitely play with bad dps

[hushed turtle]

and I somehow have 3x SS

without trying

[cerulean walrus]

Trade ya

[stuck shuttle]

don't you have to have your loot spec set to sin

[mossy hazel]

My raid group dps is like 80% BM hunters, that's a challenge for me to beat

[stuck shuttle]

for daggers to drop

instead of fists

[hushed turtle]

Sure, but on a boss that only drops daggers why wouldnt i change to sin

[wheat zealot]

Yeah we have 5 BMs

[restive path]

Same @hushed turtle I’m confused what to do in raid with them

[hushed turtle]

since Outlaw can use daggers in OH

[stuck shuttle]

ohh

i didnt know that

[restive path]

Do I just vanish off cd to use it

[stuck shuttle]

cause i never touch Outlaw lol

[cerulean walrus]

Why would you want a dagger in OH as Outlaw

[hushed turtle]

Of course im gonna collect every weapon

[wheat zealot]

Why wouldnt you

[hushed turtle]

OH procs are normalized, you only care about weapon dps

[wheat zealot]

Its the same

[hollow stone]

Dagger oh for outlaw is fine

[cerulean walrus]

Okay that's fair

[hollow stone]

Mg dmg is equivalent and thats really all the oh is for

Unless youre trying to minmax your killing spree

Zzz

[opaque grotto]

Only reason I would play outlaw

Is so I can have 2 swords

And have dope xmog

[wheat zealot]

Killing spree

[cerulean walrus]

Bring. Back. Combat.

[stuck shuttle]

i can feel the sin nerfs coming to SS

[lone junco]

I love outlaw with non elite bulk. Feels good. But we don't even need to kill the snakes.

[glacial jasper]

Outlaws mobility is baller

[stuck shuttle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qAcPWHPYCdkCX93Zw8QfJS

[lone junco]

@stuck shuttle shh

[hollow stone]

Ss should be nerfed. It sims sooo much higher than our 2nd best trait

[stuck shuttle]

Xsang vs TB

[hushed turtle]

Love getting 96th percenitle parses as outlaw and now feeling like I need to change specs. 😦

[stuck shuttle]

40 dps difference

[hollow stone]

But it will be sad when it does

[cerulean walrus]

Don't nerf SS, up the second trait

[hushed turtle]

time to get good sin parses

[lone junco]

SS is only viable from open and vanish.

[wheat zealot]

Blizz wants sin to be top they aint touching it lol

[opaque grotto]

You guys ready for double dose meta?

Fawk yea

[cerulean walrus]

Roflmao

[hushed turtle]

Honestly I started off expac as sin but went outlaw when i saw what BF could do

[lone junco]

Tbh. I want the mut trait to stack Mut crit buff over time. Get me back to 75% Mut crit.

[stuck shuttle]

i don't think they're going to fuck every rogue that hard

by making double dose #1

[wheat zealot]

If anything itll get a 10% nerf like bits

[hushed turtle]

I mean, outlaw had Ace buffed by 220%

our worse trait

[cerulean walrus]

And DS nerfed by 20 right?

[zealous lily]

i ran a bunch of long cleave sims

[hushed turtle]

yea

[stuck shuttle]

that just means more options though

[zealous lily]

crimson tempest exceeds outlaw's potential for long lived cleave

[stuck shuttle]

or more viable options

[zealous lily]

by quite a bit actually

[cerulean walrus]

🐍 👀 meta inc

[hushed turtle]

It is, we have more viable drops now

[opaque grotto]

I wonder if we can get a shitload of mastery and run MP

Double dose would be SIK

[zealous lily]

but realistically most situations are not long lived cleave and outlaw has time to regen blade flurry

[mellow pier]

There already is viability imo

[wheat zealot]

Maybe in 8.3 lmaoo

[opaque grotto]

New meta at end of xpac I’m calling it

[mellow pier]

I only have 1ss

[hushed turtle]

I just hate they nerfed DS by 45% in pvp day beofre they announced another 20% DS nerf in pve

[hollow stone]

Outlaw was ridic in arena tho

[hushed turtle]

It was

[mellow pier]

Who cares

[lone junco]

@opaque grotto Of course. SS doesn't scale like crit for cps.

[hushed turtle]

for sure

[cerulean walrus]

I suppose that Outlaw got outlawed

[wheat zealot]

Yeah double dipping is rough

[hollow stone]

We were running double outlaw rdruid and just globalling healers

[opaque grotto]

@lone junco it scales with haste though, yeah?

[lone junco]

SS goesnt give a shit about anything but agi and haste.

[hushed turtle]

Frost mage outlaw RMP was godly as well

[hollow stone]

Yea. The control is intense. And the control for rmp outlaw is still there

[lone junco]

I guess 100% ep uptime during SS will be a small goal.

[hushed turtle]

Even after nerfs we still have an 80% win rate though. So im not complaining at all. We needed that nerf

[hollow stone]

When double rogue is viable in 3s, theres a problem lol

[opaque grotto]

So have we confirmed 3 cp envenoms is worth for maintaining During vendetta/exsang?

I imagine it is

[hushed turtle]

Im gonna miss gouge

[hollow stone]

Still queuing into disc warr "insert class" (usually bm)

But ehh

For maintaining ep? It 100% is

[vital crater]

traits or ilvl?

[cerulean walrus]

both

[opaque grotto]

Doesn’t really matter outside CD’s though, right?

[torn swallow]

How is sin in zul fight?

[hollow stone]

Yea. Outside of cds dont worry

[cerulean walrus]

best way to check is to sim though

[hollow stone]

But keeping ep up during your "burn phase" is massive

[opaque grotto]

Well it’s really easy to keep EP up with lust/exsang going

[vital crater]

@cerulean walrus damn. ayt

[opaque grotto]

You can 5 CP envenom np

[hollow stone]

Yea it is lol

[undone cairn]

i swear to god

[hollow stone]

Especially w the extra energy from vend

[undone cairn]

im going to burn out

spamming these tol dagors

[cerulean walrus]

Trying to get Howlis or something?

[undone cairn]

ya

[delicate gull]

Just get the pvp daggers lul

[hollow stone]

Pvp daggers are also haste crit

[restive path]

Aren’t they base 345

[wheat zealot]

Only 345 tho vs. 355 base

Chasing that 365

[hollow stone]

I think 360 after 1600 rating

[delicate gull]

Just get to 1600 4head

[torn swallow]

Wait. Is there a pvp vendor?

[hollow stone]

Which isnt toooo bad

[cerulean walrus]

At Hook Point for ally yeah

[stuck shuttle]

are you supposed to get another 360 dagger at 1600?

because I didn't

[wheat zealot]

Im guessing youre supposed to wait til 1600 to turn in conq reward?

[hollow stone]

No. So the conquest dagger quest is 345. But above 1600 rating (not mmr) you start getting 360 gear meaning a CHANCE at a 360 dagger

[stuck shuttle]

nah i was told that doesn't work

[wheat zealot]

Ahhh

[stuck shuttle]

yeah its a chance

[undone cairn]

aids

[stuck shuttle]

its not for sure

[wheat zealot]

Makes sense

[stuck shuttle]

i was going to say

[torn swallow]

Why do I only get rewarded an axe?? Not daggers?

[stuck shuttle]

im sitting at 1700 right now

[restive path]

So rn, with 3 ss. Don’t garrote again till my opener garrotes y’all off ?

[stuck shuttle]

no 360 dagger for free

[restive path]

Fall*

[stuck shuttle]

yes

or don't garrote outside of subterfuge window

until it falls off

to be exact

[hollow stone]

And if youre really lucky, you can get a 370 from your warfront chest so make sure you do that

[delicate gull]

If you place 1600 this week your next conquest reward should be a 360 weapon

[stuck shuttle]

really?

[undone cairn]

also my gear always wf/titanforges that has mastery on it

[stuck shuttle]

well then

360 wep inc

[undone cairn]

its almost like blizzard knows

[cerulean walrus]

Rofl they want you using MP

[undone cairn]

hmm

[mossy hazel]

So where's the horde mythic+ chest going to be tomorrow? I don't actually know where to find it yet

[undone cairn]

maybe i should use MP

🤔

[cerulean walrus]

Sim that bad boy

[woeful wraith]

PvP
Unranked (0 – 1399) - Item Level 340 (End of Match), Item Level 355, (Weekly Cache), Item Level 355 (Weekly Azerite Item)
Combatant (1400 – 1599) - Item Level 350 (End of Match), Item Level 365, (Weekly Cache), Item Level 355 (Weekly Azerite Item)
Challenger (1600 – 1799) - Item Level 360 (End of Match), Item Level 370, (Weekly Cache), Item Level 370 (Weekly Azerite Item)
Rival (1800 – 2099) - Item Level 365 (End of Match), Item Level 375, (Weekly Cache), Item Level 370 (Weekly Azerite Item)
Duelist (2100 – 2399) - Item Level 370 (End of Match), Item Level 380, (Weekly Cache), Item Level 385 (Weekly Azerite Item)
Gladiator (2400+) - Item Level 375 (End of Match), Item Level 385, (Weekly Cache), Item Level 385 (Weekly Azerite Item)

no?

[main blaze]

The chest is in that weird room next to the bank

[stuck shuttle]

the weekly PvP cache

is that guranteed a weap?

or just random

[solid nova]

!chest

[prisma monolith]

weekly chest position:
alliance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPlCI652Wo
horde - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLjg2XCTe7U

[woeful wraith]

i think just rando

[mossy hazel]

Oh damn, thanks Richard

[solid nova]

Np fam

[mossy hazel]

You guys have put together a command for everything. Lol

[stuck shuttle]

unless there is a conquest reward

thats separate from the chest

that gives a weap

[tight meteor]

exang > tb atm?

[woeful wraith]

havn't pvp'd seriously since vanilla ack

[stuck shuttle]

@tight meteor yes but only marginally

both are viable

except for a few raid bosses

[tight meteor]

in m+ specifically

[stuck shuttle]

where Exsang is better

[mossy hazel]

Oh it's the Guild Bank room, ok

[stuck shuttle]

Exsang is better in M+

esp for priority targets

[tight meteor]

ok ty

im guessing you apply bleeds -> exang prio target

[cerulean walrus]

Yes

[stuck shuttle]

yes

and make sure your prio target is full pandemic

on rupt and garrote

[woeful wraith]

exsang simming 13441 but who am i to pass up this leeet sim
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dJE99D4sZg1w8Vfwk1Tuw5

[calm grail]

If you had a pack of 4 mobs, one of them being a large mob. Tell me how you'd play that out.

[stuck shuttle]

I'd garrote 1 small mob, double garrote big mog, rupture big mob, exsang

then Fok spam

and rupture the other 2

then spam envenoms

on prio

[calm grail]

Ok

[stuck shuttle]

or u can build full pandemic on rupture on prio mob

if it lives that long

[calm grail]

CT again if it's closed to falling off and they're living long?

[stuck shuttle]

i don't use CT

so I can't say

but I would you want to CT, after rupture

before exsang

I would assume*

[calm grail]

Vendetta before the exsanguinate?

[stuck shuttle]

vendetta before rupture

[crimson swift]

has anyone here managed to line up their vanish vendeta with the vuln phase in the ghuun fight?

[delicate root]

got a 98 on fetid and I fucked up my 220 sync

[inland path]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hQjkwHxRYYaDAmJSdGmVBZ

wat

[young nimbus]

Sorry if I missed this somewhere, but could someone explain me why you are supposed to go Garrote -> Rupture -> Garrote again, when you have a shrouded suffocation trait? I get why shrouded suffocation is an awesome trait, but I seem to miss the point on the second garrote.

[delicate root]

to get max pandemic

[stuck shuttle]

to pandemic

for dots, WoW will add 30% of remaining time to the timer when you reapply

so double garrote means, it will add 30% of initial garrote time to your newly stacked one

effectively creating a much longer garrote

[delicate root]

= 24 sec garrote at max

[stuck shuttle]

same for rupture

[young nimbus]

oh my... thanks a lot guys 😄

[tropic osprey]

Battlefield Focus, simming 1% less then the other tait i can take, but aint it really good in raid / mythic +? (it increase alies dmg), pvp trait, but works pve

[nocturne cradle]

@stuck shuttle why vendetta before rupture? I thought the buff was dynamic and didn't snapshot?

[hollow stone]

Bff sims to account for all stacks being used

It makes no difference if you or an ally procs a stack

[stuck shuttle]

@nocturne cradle I was referring to mainly on trash packs for M+

[hollow stone]

So the sim is static unless for some reason you dont use all the stacks

[stuck shuttle]

but you max your time on vendetta empowered rupt

[gray shuttle]

so u dont have to garrote for longer?

[tropic osprey]

okay thx applejuicce

[nocturne cradle]

and in the case of that 4 mob scenario, if the 3 smaller mobs would stay alive for the full garrote, I would spread the third garotte on a small mob instead of going for max exanguinate on the big mob unless it was priority

@stuck shuttle

[stuck shuttle]

thats for priority though

[gray shuttle]

exsanguinate is purely for aoe?

[stuck shuttle]

so u want to max pandemic prio mob

then exsang

[wind berry]

Rotation question , you pulled the opener and start the normal rotation, how do you use ur vendetta and exng and vanish mid rotation?

[delicate root]

exsang is single target

[nocturne cradle]

yea we are in agreement hecktix

[vapid oracle]

exang and TB are very close to eachother depends on your stats

realistically you can play what u prefer

[nocturne cradle]

if the big mob isn't prio then spread garrote to 3 mos

mobs*

[stuck shuttle]

@wind berry u always line up Vendetta and Vanish since they are same CD

[woeful wraith]

isn't there still a bug spreading garrote to 3 rather than 2 mobs or is that resolved

[stuck shuttle]

Exsang timing should be after you vanish, double garrote

always

getting the 220 timing is most important

atleast for a 5 min fight

[wind berry]

@stuck shuttle but in opener you use g r g vend, muti etc etc, but when you go from rotation to that you cant g e g vend, thats question ( shoudlve specified

[icy temple]

What do u guys refer to when u say 220 timing

[wind berry]

g r g*

[stuck shuttle]

so 2:20 is when your next vanish + double garrote + exsang should happen

you vendetta, refresh rupture to max pandemic, vanish, double garrote for max pandemic garrote

then exsang

that's 2:20 timing

[wind berry]

@stuck shuttle thanks , exactly what i wanted

[stuck shuttle]

I would look up a top parse using Exsang

view the cast timeline

and it will be easier to understand

[wind berry]

will do

[nocturne cradle]

Exsang didn't show up on the timeline of a top parse using it.

[stuck shuttle]

it should

it does for me

[nocturne cradle]

I edited what I wrote

[stuck shuttle]

gotcha

[nocturne cradle]

and the guy was talented for it

weird

[tawdry canyon]

Is the garrote rupture garrote opener specific to single target? I’d assume in aoe you want to get garrote up on as many targets as possible during subterfuge

[stuck shuttle]

yes

unless u have a priority target in AoE

then u double garrote the prio target

this is all assuming they will live long enough

[tawdry canyon]

Okay thanks for the clarification

[wind berry]

how does the opener work in 2 bosses , ex: second boss from freehold

[nocturne cradle]

garrote off target

and open on the other one

the extra combo points you get from the first garrote go to waste though

Unless you change the opener on the main target

actually you may only waste one combo point since the first rupture you do isn't at 5 combo points anyways

[quiet spruce]

who are some top rogues i can watch on twitch.tv?

[glossy wyvern]

Ashinee

[hollow stone]

Every good rogue streamer plays arena

Pve rogues dont exist :3

(Im not actually being serious)

[mortal oracle]

Fragnance
https://www.twitch.tv/fragnance

[proven ice]

Pretty sure the 2 target opener is garrote garrote garrote.

[lone junco]

I would. G tab g g r.

And exang or vendetta exang if it were a big baddy.

[hollow stone]

Yes. 2 target is gggr. And your first g should be on the off target or you have to tab an extra two times

You lose like 1 sec of g but get to keep your sanity

Fair trade off

[jovial kite]

or you just mousovermacro and never tab

[hollow stone]

But lose your sanity because mouseover is annoying at times 😘

[jovial kite]

cant get better than mousovermacro

[hollow stone]

Its actually so good for those dumb aoe packs with like 2 elites and a swarm of non elites

[jovial kite]

i dont see the issue

you open before they are stacked anyways

[hollow stone]

I mean using tab on those pulls

Im agreeing w you

Nothing worse than having a ss garr mob die like 5 sec into the garr dot

[lone junco]

I click the elites for garrote. Yeah.

I'll set up a mouseover tho. Should help with that vanish g g g in a large pack. Don't want to g the bitch mobs.

[waxen arch]

Can anyone help me what I am doing wrong? ill pm logs

[proven ice]

I can look

[worldly sentinel]

Guys in M+, after Triple Garrote and 1 Rupture ... Sure 3 Targets Bleed and FoK with Envenom. Do we still hold garrote on CD whenever it is ready?

[waxen arch]

aight sec

[proven ice]

Elevato- wait for your first 3 garrotes to fall off if they came from subterfuge

[twin rivet]

anyone got Fragnance's weakauras ?

[worldly sentinel]

Yeah ofc. And when we have 4+ targets?

Just on cd on every other target?

[hollow pine]

The perfect opener (ST) will be something like this?

Garrote (From stealth), Mutilate, Rupture, Use "First Mate's Spyglass" trinket, Vendetta, Exsg, Mutilate, Toxic Blades
After Garrote ends, cast vanish and Garrote again.

[tight meteor]

ok

the damage

is nuts

[sullen robin]

real frag subs dont share

[tight meteor]

just tried exang in an m+

[strange python]

I have an insecurity about the spec. The Ravenholdt guide said assassination is sometimes considered easy mode. Do any of you worry about playing something that is considered basic by others? Like the hunter of rogue specs.

[safe matrix]

why would you ever worry about that

[twin rivet]

well i would sub but my prime expired yesterday :(

[sullen robin]

U n l u c k y

@strange python who gives a f what others think

@strange python people play BM and do you think they care lmao ?

[hollow stone]

@hollow pine its quite a bit different than that. Ill be around later tonight. Dm me if you havent gotten help w opener by then

[lone junco]

@worldly sentinel

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[marble hemlock]

@lone junco you saw my response earlier?

[lone junco]

Don't bug your SS. Not worth the 4th garrote.

No.

[stuck shuttle]

^

[marble hemlock]

unluck

[stuck shuttle]

i accidentally 4th garroted a few times in a M+

[hollow pine]

@hollow stone Alright! Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it

[stuck shuttle]

and your dps tanks

[lone junco]

My guess is to wait and refresh ct later.

I'm in a seminar.

[marble hemlock]

´3t. With 3G Ct and 3rupture. Do you

A. Wait a few sec for re application of Ct

B. FOK env until something drops.

C. Go ham on CT?´

Option C, unless I need to prio into something

[lone junco]

I loved ham.

[marble hemlock]

fuck discord formatting

[sullen robin]

@stuck shuttle I accidentally did it on fetid

[lone junco]

Good call with ham.

[sullen robin]

Feelsbadman

[lone junco]

Feels good anyway. Dumping it in AV is amazing.

[tropic tulip]

do you want to hold your envenom a little bit in order to maximise uptime on the buff? or just spam them out and dont worry about it

[ancient notch]

Wtf is exsang

[lone junco]

FOK full 5cp. Ct FOK Ct.

[sullen robin]

Exsanguinate

[lone junco]

Read a book man.

[stuck shuttle]

@tropic tulip within Vendetta window, you should spam

@tropic tulip i mean TB window

outside, you should prioritize EP uptime

[onyx wind]

Theres no reason to spam in vendetta

Even with exsang you run out of energy in vendetta

[stuck shuttle]

yeah typo

[steep citrus]

subterfuge isn't broken right? just ss? if I"m crazy and run 3 scent of blood i m+ I can 4 garrote right?

[onyx wind]

Better to clip

[safe matrix]

its 3 globals in subt

[stuck shuttle]

don't 4th garrote until 3 fall off

[lone junco]

Do not do 4th garrote till 3drop.

[stuck shuttle]

its bugged

[steep citrus]

if i'm not running ss

[stuck shuttle]

then it doesnt matter

[onyx wind]

How is it bugged?

[steep citrus]

it's fine, right

[lone junco]

You should be.

[safe matrix]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[onyx wind]

DUDE

[pulsar goblet]

Yes without its fine

[onyx wind]

How did i not know this

[stuck shuttle]

cause your name is Teal

Kappa

[elfin thicket]

hey ppl i need some help with a weakaura, my problem is, that my tank will always kite the mobbs in m+ out of my poisonbomb right when it drops, i want a weakaura to post something in /i chat so he wont denie my poisonbomb. Can someone help me with that? I know that it has to be tracked by combat text but sadly i cant get into that 😦

[onyx wind]

Poison bomb doeesnt do anything almost

Its ok that hee kites out of it

[stuck shuttle]

they upped the tick rate on PB

so that shouldn't be as punishing as before

[onyx wind]

Poison bomb is like 2-4% of my dmg in a m+

In most dungeons i prefer hidden blade

[lone junco]

Yeah. Pb is Garbo in m+. Ct king.

[steep citrus]

do you use a fan of knives trait with hidden blades?

[onyx wind]

No

[elfin thicket]

will i get energy from the CT dot?

[onyx wind]

Never. Ever. Switch out garrote trait

[stuck shuttle]

no

you don't

[lone junco]

If ss gets nerfed. 3x scent

[onyx wind]

If ss gets nerfed, reroll spec

[lone junco]

Neg.

[stuck shuttle]

Venomous Wounds only applies to garrote and rupture

it says in tool tip

[elfin thicket]

nvm

[onyx wind]

Only reason assa is viablee is causee of SS

Its probably gonna get nerfed like the rest of the rogue traits at some point

[elfin thicket]

so do i realy play with CT?

[hollow pine]

@onyx wind agree

[onyx wind]

No

Hidden blade best girl

I pull 15-16k overall with that setup in m+

[elfin thicket]

with TB?

[onyx wind]

Yes

[lone junco]

3ss. Ct. 15-20k depending

[lone junco]

Prob depends on mob count and duration.

[onyx wind]

Can go master poisoneer if you have more mastery/ need slow

[lone junco]

Yeah. 3ss exs. Ct. For m+.

[elfin thicket]

imma test that

[hollow pine]

@onyx wind What about raids?

[onyx wind]

Yeah, if you hit garrote sweetspot its sick

dps

[elfin thicket]

tyvm ppl!

[lone junco]

Pb is raid.

St.

[hollow pine]

exsg too?

[stuck shuttle]

yeah CT and Hidden Blades sucks for ST

[stuck shuttle]

exsaang depends on gear

but if youre 345+

exsang should be better

[onyx wind]

Exsang is pretty good with good gear

I have 15k deeps on most raid bossees

[elfin thicket]

actually 352 LOL

[hollow pine]

Do you mind sharing a ST log?

[onyx wind]

I think my only one is fetid

thats public

[lone junco]

3ss exsang in m+ is just the add prio of choice imo.

[onyx wind]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/17008031?mode=detailed&zone=19#difficulty=4&boss=2128

[lone junco]

If you aren't sub.

[hollow pine]

@onyx wind Thanks a lot!

[onyx wind]

I hit 15.4k on mother i think

with exsang

[hollow pine]

Holy Molly

[onyx wind]

its preeetty good

[stuck shuttle]

I would if all my kills weren't with TB

[onyx wind]

Tb is fine on most fights

But on pure ST eexsang is veery good

[serene glacier]

Just told myself, will try to do a WQ for Dino charm maybe it will proc

https://i.imgur.com/fqdAoAn.png

oh well

[onyx wind]

gz lol

[lone junco]

Nice.

[onyx wind]

But if you dont know the exsang opener, you should look it up

Its the most important part

With lust you can pull 30-35k dps on opener

[onyx wind]

Only thing is that you want to vendetta before mut

But it doesnt matter much

[stuck shuttle]

its just 1s off of vendetta empowered SS garrote

so not that huge

but maybe for min/max

[lone junco]

Vendetta overlaps the vanish as well. Full exang

[fading spade]

How's the sustain after that opener

[onyx wind]

15-16k

[lone junco]

Not.

[onyx wind]

Deepends on your gear

[lone junco]

That log made me lol.

[heady ore]

at which ilvl do you thinks exsangue become worth it ?

[lone junco]

Fetid has a boost at the end. Make sure you nail the vanish alignment.

[onyx wind]

This is fetid

LOL

[calm mesa]

dude just said 345

[lone junco]

3ss. = exsang.

[stuck shuttle]

not necessarily 345

but if you're atleast 345

you should have enough haste

and u need SS obviously

[lone junco]

I'm like 341.

[calm mesa]

i'm 11.66 haste, 349 equipped one SS... is it worth?

[stuck shuttle]

there's no specific ilvl

[wheat zealot]

Do you run exsang in m+ @lone junco

[stuck shuttle]

it really depends on your gear

[onyx wind]

No

[stuck shuttle]

you can be 350

[hollow isle]

you guys playing exang?

[stuck shuttle]

but full mastry gear

[lone junco]

Always 3ss.

[onyx wind]

Dont go exsang unless you have 3x ss

i would go as far

as to say

dont go assa if you dont have 3x ss

[calm mesa]

how the fuck do people have 3 ss

[wheat zealot]

Easily

[sullen robin]

Run m0s

[lone junco]

I dropped to 300hat for 3rd SS.

[onyx wind]

I have every azerite pieece in the game

340

except wq

[wheat zealot]

I have x3 bits, x3 ss x3 ds. All 340

Ezpz

[lone junco]

The apl is wrong. So gear compare won't work. For >=3

[stuck shuttle]

@onyx wind i only run 2xSS and exsang still runs better for me

[lone junco]

It's still doing g g r.

[onyx wind]

Yeah it probably does at 2

[lone junco]

In cleave it should g g g Ct.

[onyx wind]

But i think sub outperforms assa with only 2 traits

[stuck shuttle]

1 may not be as worth

Well, its different in Uldir

[hollow isle]

pvp chest has ss so im just spamming 2s atm lol

[stuck shuttle]

because of the Azerite bonus

in raid

[wheat zealot]

Yeah sub is not as trait dependent especially for cleave, assass SS is vital for cleave damage

[stuck shuttle]

in M+ 3xSS is the way to go

[wheat zealot]

Hell yeah it is

[restive path]

Better than outlaw ?

I have the traits haven’t played it yet

[onyx wind]

Depends on the key level

[neat beacon]

I have never had a lower ilvl azerite piece with SS outsim my equipped without SS

[onyx wind]

+5 and up definetely better than outlaw

[wheat zealot]

I prefer it, so does my tank for the slows

[restive path]

My sim on sin is like 1-2k less than my sub tho

[onyx wind]

Honeestly i would play thee spec u have traits for atm

[calm mesa]

are they not nerfing outlaw and sub by 5% on tues?

[restive path]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tHS9zny2Kth2EnRMLats65 anything wrong with my gear

[onyx wind]

Blizzard nerfing best trait

And nerfing classees after

?`!?!??!?

speecs*

[wheat zealot]

Yup, 5%. Nightly sim reflects nerfs

Weekly does not

[onyx wind]

But its not live yet

Does it still reflect it?

[wheat zealot]

Yes

[onyx wind]

Oh, alright

[stuck shuttle]

yes

[wheat zealot]

Sim weekly then sim nightly

[stuck shuttle]

nightly build

[wheat zealot]

Youll see

[sullen robin]

Some.sub rogues were just dropping 1k

[stuck shuttle]

well its on top of the 10% nerf to BiTS

[sullen robin]

700-1k

[onyx wind]

Exactly

[wheat zealot]

Yeah the trait nerfs were hefty

[stuck shuttle]

but sub and sin are neck and neck now

[hollow isle]

you guys always running crimson tempest in M+?

[stuck shuttle]

its really preference

[onyx wind]

Idk man

[wheat zealot]

5 and under i use pb, 5 and up i usually ct

[onyx wind]

Theeyre neck and neck on patchwork sims

[wheat zealot]

Its all about how long stuff lives

[onyx wind]

on 90% of fights assa outperforms

Because of adds/downtime/cd windows

[urban solstice]

how do i generally use exsanguinate? on CD or align with vendetta? only directly after applying rupture/garrote?

[sullen robin]

Exeo, do you run Tb on any fight ?

[restive path]

Looks like I’m a sin main now

[sudden canyon]

fuck this game. my buddy got a 370 dagger from warfronts
meanwhile i got 370 boots
right after i got 370 boots from heroic

[onyx wind]

I run TB on zul and theree on out

[sudden canyon]

so stupid man

[lone junco]

I got vers mastery on boots and gloves. 😐

[onyx wind]

But i would also run it on zekvoz

[wheat zealot]

Exsang on ghuun though

[onyx wind]

Unless you can get an orb fast

[sullen robin]

So exs on everything but zul/myth/ghuun

I always get orb fast

[wheat zealot]

Nah use exsang on ghuun

Youll do mongo deeps during vulnerability phase

[lone junco]

Exs. Will be nice. As will be sub.

[onyx wind]

I guess you can go exsang

on ghuun

[lone junco]

Symbol 4dance.

[onyx wind]

Idk, i dont likee it

[sudden canyon]

sin on ghuun?

[lone junco]

It's 24s in mythic.

[sudden canyon]

for orbs?

[sullen robin]

Rogue dont do orbs

[sudden canyon]

sub does

[sullen robin]

Warriors/dh/monk

[sudden canyon]

double step 2 nice

[old sigil]

I got a shrouded suffocation trinket and i heard that you have to use garrote multiple times now in your opener, is this true?

[sullen robin]

All way better

[lone junco]

That's enough for a vendetta vanish g g r exsang.

[calm mesa]

355 chest w/ laser matrix + uldir buff and overwhelming power or 340 chest w/ SS and heed my call? I only have ss/op shoulders atm

[wheat zealot]

Trick is to do so much dps they never ask you to do mechanics like that

[sudden canyon]

yea well we cant all pick the perfect raid comps

[sullen robin]

Sub after nerf o m e g a l u l

[stuck shuttle]

@calm mesa sim it

[calm mesa]

oh it considers all that, ok i'll sim it ty

[onyx wind]

355 in uldir

340 outside

[calm mesa]

word

[onyx wind]

ehh

[stuck shuttle]

the azerite gear in uldir only gets better

as the week goes on

[onyx wind]

Im not actually suree

[sullen robin]

Uldir stuff sims better for me than 3xss

Using 2xss and one uldir

[stuck shuttle]

thats because it considers the raid buff

in M+, 3xSS should do better overall

[onyx wind]

in m+

[sullen robin]

Yesh def

[onyx wind]

ALWAYS