assassination

[terse hinge]

Ill pull 14k for about 40sec then drop to 11... then 9... lower and lower.

You feel me?

[autumn bloom]

Do you mean consistency? Because that is a word not normally associated with outlaw

[terse hinge]

THAT'S WHAT I TRY TO TELL EM.

LOL

[autumn bloom]

Which makes me think your guild is talking out of their ass

[strange python]

Outlaw is not consistent thats what the specc is all about , sometimes more sometimes less damage but still fun

[lone junco]

I got a 5b on Zul. and Holy shit.

[autumn bloom]

Sin is probably the most consistent rogue spec tbh

[lone junco]

Dick got caught in the ceiling fan.

[strange python]

^ this

[lone junco]

🍆

[autumn bloom]

Lol

[thorny maple]

What is "dungeon" mean on hero damage?

[lone junco]

probably hectic add cleave 5min.

[autumn bloom]

Do you have logs gnosh?

Gonsh

[terse hinge]

Nope. At least, not in hand.

[lone junco]

HEY GUYS.

[autumn bloom]

Well if your guild isn't taking logs then they shouldn't be trying to talk about your dps

Wait wut am I looking at noobe

[lone junco]

Make sure you are using your 3rd garrote.

but numbers are better than the simc output

[terse hinge]

Yeah the Garrote process seems like its very key to the rotation

[lone junco]

Any scaling it is doing, use your brain and know it will be above that.

[soft island]

Noobe playing exa? Respecting rightnao 👌

[spiral furnace]

what? 3rd garrote? my opener is garrote -> rupture -> garrote. is that wrong with 2 garrote azerite traits?

[lone junco]

Any trinket sims. any stat weights for cleave. is not doing the 3rd.

[autumn bloom]

Ahhhh

Good find

[lone junco]

any top gear to compare a 300ilvl ss hat vs 340 Mut hat.

its been this way for weeks.

[autumn bloom]

Tc knows I'm sure?

[terse hinge]

LOL

[lone junco]

yeah. they are looking into it.

[autumn bloom]

That's good

[lone junco]

but anyway. isnt gonna work right in cleave.

[autumn bloom]

Thst explains...a lot

[lone junco]

use that 3rd SS. tank ilvl. just do it.

[terse hinge]

LOL.

[autumn bloom]

Yeah I'm really thankful all my SS pieces are 340 or higher

[soft island]

Asking if tc knows shit is like asking if earth is flat. Oh w8

[terse hinge]

Any good way of farming SS azerite gear besides mythics? Ran em all this week. Didnt get one.

[lone junco]

If you do 3SS vanish 3SS on 6 targets, with CT and a fat trinket, will be really really good.

[autumn bloom]

Uldir has a chest

[exotic frigate]

A lot of people talking about buging Garrote, how do I bug it and how don't I bug it....?!

[lone junco]

anyway. simyoself is close. but know RL is a bit better

[autumn bloom]

Noobe do you have your trinkets on their own button

[lone junco]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[autumn bloom]

Or macro them

[soft island]

@lone junco I thought my pc would explode

[lone junco]

I put it on vendetta tbh.

its 2min

[autumn bloom]

Yeah

[wispy atlas]

so whats the best talents in general for assa? thinking of trying it for the first time

[autumn bloom]

Ppl tell me not to put them on something with gcd tho

[lone junco]

when I get GC, I will hold Exang for GC

[autumn bloom]

But since we're a dot class it doesn't matter too much

[terse hinge]

Yee I am very much so not familiar with poison build for assass

[terse hinge]

Err

[autumn bloom]

DUDE exsang snaps GC??

[terse hinge]

BLEED

[lone junco]

GC/ Orc/Vend macro is there

@autumn bloom yes

[autumn bloom]

...

[lone junco]

exsang Snapshots haste

[autumn bloom]

///oh///

[lone junco]

GC then exang.

[autumn bloom]

Oh gosh.

[lone junco]

exsang AFTER bloodlust in the opner.

[magic zenith]

So even though my 355 Titan whatever hat Sims higher than my 340 ss on single Target should I be using the 340?

[exotic frigate]

What's GC

[terse hinge]

Out of curiosity.. why the 2nd rupture? Hate to sound so naïve but.. not entirely familiar.

[lone junco]

a 1min haste /use trinket

[soft island]

Gc like glubal kewldauwn?

[autumn bloom]

Does GC share CD with the pvp agi trinket?

[lone junco]

dunno. prob

[soft island]

Oooo gale force trinket. I c

[brave gyro]

So exang pulls ahead 🤔

[lone junco]

typ I like passive + active

like dice or the stacking haste one.

[autumn bloom]

Yeah

I'd like passive spyglass + gc

Or dice

[lone junco]

darkmoon doesnt cleave,

yeah I have a /use spyglass

[soft island]

@terse hinge increases duration to max for exa

[lone junco]

I really gotta work. get that 3ss, and DANCE

/g g g ct afk

[autumn bloom]

Sub ain't the only class with thicc dance

[lone junco]

never die in sanguine again.

just run away and lol

[brave gyro]

Wait, why do you run a /use spyglass? isnt it a passive?

[eager grove]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[terse hinge]

Its a use trinket if I remember..

[magic zenith]

There are 2 spyglasses

[brave gyro]

the one from SoB ?

[magic zenith]

One is on use

[eager grove]

since we have completely different values for single and multitarget, what are you mythic plus assa rogues using as stat weights for pawn? hectic add cleave sims or what?

[quiet spruce]

assassinaton is very difficult for me to perform well in, im so confused on the rotation

when do we use toxic blade, on CD?

or before envenom

since envenom is nature dmg, and toxic blade boosts nature damange

damage*

[soft island]

@quiet spruce read guide in pins. Ask after

[dawn merlin]

I did not know that exsang snapshotted haste

suddenly very greedy for galecallers

[soft island]

Ye I had one. 325 il tho 💦

[terse hinge]

qq

[dawn merlin]

same ahah

[spice surge]

I mean, if you do shrine you'll get it pretty quickly

[dawn merlin]

ye, gotta spam it

[spice surge]

There is only 7 items in there you can get

[brave gyro]

I feel dumb for not realizing there were 2x Spyglass trinkets. Y u do dis Blizz?

[strange python]

I was thinking of spamming tol dagor m+ for the dagger before raid but since queues don't work :/

[autumn bloom]

Hahah

[wispy atlas]

any good weak auras or addons for the assa rotation to use till ive learnt it?

[soft island]

That's like 14 % drop chance. That's pretty shitty number for me tbh

[spice surge]

Thats the highest you could get in any m+ 🤷

[soft island]

With my luck I will get shit gear I don't need 3x in a row

[prime quail]

Welcome to WoW

[spice surge]

Try friends 😃

[soft island]

But I see your point. Be less unlucky. Easy

[dawn merlin]

i know right

every time i realise a piece of gear is good and work towards it, it usually never drops

same thing happened in legion, with that op agi trinket from VH

[soft island]

My friends would want gold to trade it. Or with my luck if they dropped it it would tf so hard they wouldn't be able to trade it hehehe

[brave gyro]

Let me tell you a story about WoD: HFC.

Socretar Heroic AND Mythic didn't drop my tier gloves for FOUR MONTHS, so FOUR MONTHS in, I am rocking a 3 set @soft island

[soft island]

Happends. In hfc I competed 4set first day hehehe

Good old Master looter

[brave gyro]

Nah fam - no vanquisher tokens. In those 4 months, i missed one raid week, and that week 3x vanq gloves dropped

[kindred forge]

18.22% haste and as I am adding more and more haste the value on simc just raise up 🤔

[chrome hatch]

Hey, one quick question. If you have Elaborate Planning, do you just envenom at 2 combo points for example to try to keep the buff up? Or do you still save for 4+?

[brave gyro]

i think u still go for 4+

[soft island]

@chrome hatch during cds yes, else just w8 ting for 4-5cp

[worldly sentinel]

Guys another question. I just swapped to Sin and my Haste rating is pretty low for the Specc. Is my Sim fine or am i on the low enf of the table? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hHqLbPxcX4xMgsGBNwJAwk

[brave gyro]

my Sin sim drops down by almost 2k, so depending on how you sim in the others, pretty decent i would say

[soft island]

Haste value looks pretty ok to me

[worldly sentinel]

Outlaw 13.2k

i´ve got triple SS

[sinful lotus]

Was reading some of the comments above and sawsomebody say remember to use 3rd Gar, is that only on a 3+ mob scenario? Or do you then change your ST opener from Gar, Rup, Gar, Vendetta, Mut, Rup, XSang to ----- Gar, Gar, Rup, Gar, Vendetta, Mut, Rup XSang?

[soft island]

It was noobe and he was talking aoe. St is the first u wrote. Gar rup gar vend must rup exa

Aoe u just 3x gar and w8 for gar to drop before using it again

[sinful lotus]

Ok cool @soft island , thanks!

And your thoughts on CT? At what Key level to use? And does your ST dmg really suffer as a result?

[trim bobcat]

which talent are people running for m+ this week? poison bomb / hidden blades / ct? guides are saying all 3 is viable but I'm not sure

imagining CT because it's add damage week?

[soft island]

@sinful lotusdepends. Pb does roughly 5 percent dmg if ur lucky. I'd say CT is the way to go for anything 5+

And st doesn't suffer much

[sinful lotus]

@soft island Ok cool good to know :), and you use CT then let it fall off, you never spam it correct?

[soft island]

Yes. Or refresh near the end

Preferably

I guess there is threshold where u fok CT but it's too much mobs so I ignore it

[sinful lotus]

Alright cool, thank you very much

[strange python]

Adds before last boss in temple

you can spam fok ct

[sinful lotus]

The orb room?

[soft island]

So it's like 7?

[strange python]

depends how much you pull of course

[magic zenith]

Shrine is cancer

[sinful lotus]

Ah ok good to know. So not a "Standard" AoE pull of 3-5 mobs

[strange python]

no no that'd be a huge waste

[lone junco]

@jovial kite so basically a true patchwerk fight will desync at 225, but any cleave phases like vectis, we just hold off and re align manually. or any vuln phases. So basically Zul will be sub god. others seem to have a weird part.

[severe harbor]

wtf I just got overwhelming power and shrouded suffocation on the same azerite piece

[strange python]

Haven't played assassination in ages, would you say it's more difficult to play than Sub? I find Sub fits me very naturally but I need to practice with all 3 specs for flexibility.

[severe harbor]

it's the easiest of the 3 specs probs

[lone junco]

more difficult? no

[strange python]

Outlaw is obviously easy peasy

Really? That easy?

it's different for everyone, if you're used to sub, sub is easy, if you're used to sin, sin is easy

but yeah in general sin is easy

[sinful lotus]

And what do you guys think of Outlaw vs Sin in Mythic +? Still not sure what's better, seemingly higher/stronger bust AoE on trash as Outlaw vs Really strong ST burst as Sin. What becomes more important the higher the key?

[severe harbor]

sin better probs

since things last ages

and you can spam ruptures

and get a lot of value

outlaw might be better once M+ loses fortify

[strange python]

low m+ I go outlaw, above +5 I go sin

[sinful lotus]

Makes sense, and the longer the adds live the faster you run out of Blade Flurry as Outlaw

ok cool, thanks guys! Man i love this Discord!

[echo hound]

any news, on wether poison or exsang comes out on top currently? The simcraft exang sims seems fishy to me compared to when i test it it m+

[prime quail]

Rum mythics and Test what suits you better 😄

[echo hound]

when i sim myself, it comes out fairly even. but exsang is so much higher on the general sim. might just be l2p issue on my part. not that trained in exsang builds lol

[sullen hollow]

Is Exsanguinate better than Toxic Blade now?

[spice surge]

They generally sim pretty equally

[sullen hollow]

hmm

[spice surge]

Which means exsang is better, because its higher burst

[lone junco]

Exsang is harder to sync up. TB is smaller constant pressure. they come out similar over time.

[spice surge]

Generally

[sullen hollow]

ah

[lone junco]

yeah. vuln phases will like the burst.

[strong dome]

prefer exsang due to the burst in m+ also

[soft island]

Exa is easier to get disrupted due to mehanix

[lone junco]

yeah. it is really really strong after a gg vendetta st open.

mechanics? you run your exang then run off.

[soft island]

The setup ofc.

[lone junco]

trinket/vendetta . vanish . g g r Exsang

[severe harbor]

I like toxic blade mainly because it gives 1 CP so if your garrote is on the target and you're at 4CP

[lone junco]

yeah. if you cant pull that off due to timings, youll have to delay

[severe harbor]

you can TB to get to 5

[soft island]

You need to line up bleeds before pressing exa. With poison u just refresh and press tb

[severe harbor]

instead of either using 4 cp or wasting one via muta

[lone junco]

tb needs 2 env after.

tb crits for like 20k? and buffs your 20-30k env. it is more than 1cp

[severe harbor]

well obviously?

you don't go TB for the CP lol

I just think it adds a bit more complexity to the class

[lone junco]

glad we got that cleared

[severe harbor]

lets you min-max, and I like it

[lone junco]

Exang is complex timing.

dont worry

it sucks tbh

[severe harbor]

it really isn't you just click it when ur bleeds are both on target and have high uptime

[lone junco]

gimme 125% 1min cd. thx

ok.

[strange python]

Just me who's having some difficulties with aoe rotation sometimes? I know it's x3 garr into CT but where does vendetta fit in? I'm thinking last boss of temple, the adds die too fast

[sinful lotus]

Are you guys running SIN on all raid fights? if so, how are you doing vs other rogues Outlaw in your raid?

[severe harbor]

sub is going to perform better on certain fights

namely Zul

maybe not in dps but in terms of helping your raid definitely

due to CC and their tons of steps to target swap

[soft island]

Sub is better than sin. It has 2x shadowstep...

True story

[severe harbor]

Also has way higher dps in certain situations

if sub is in a situation where there's a lot of adds and 1 priority target

where sub can just

storm evis storm evis storm evis

over and over

[lone junco]

@strange python vendetta is only used on things that live more than 20s. exsang only takes 10sec. so just use exang often. vendetta on important stuff

[severe harbor]

they top dps in basically the entire game

[sinful lotus]

Aren't they getting a nerf though?

[severe harbor]

but that requires 5+ targets

[austere whale]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[lone junco]

Zul cleave is nice.

[soft island]

Damn rhastakan for kicking zul off of his sword. Could have been free loot.

[severe harbor]

why would cleave be nice on Zul

?

[soft island]

Lots of adds

[strange python]

Can anyone share toxic blade/exsang macro so I dont have to drag them to the bar every time I switch?

[lone junco]

storm into the crawgs?

[severe harbor]

the priestesses can't be near each other the adds are usually isolated

[lone junco]

over and over and over

our mt gets the tiny shits.

ox totem and tricks makes sure of that

[severe harbor]

yeah I don't think my RL has ever said for Rogue's to get anything other than the priestesses, zul or the maidens

[lone junco]

seems a lot like Host.

[severe harbor]

which don't need cleave

[lone junco]

pump out ST dmg on boss from trash.

[clever wigeon]

are the top gear function for azerite traits etc. working properly on raidbots?

[lone junco]

do what you do.

[severe harbor]

NA Horde just got a 700g Emissary

[lone junco]

@clever wigeon as good as they always have.

sub and outlaw are showing the nerfs for tuesday already

[soft island]

@severe harbor we had that last week and smt on eu. Enjoy 👌

[waxen arch]

Can someone link the pin here Pls i cant click on it. I am on My cellphone

[severe harbor]

for?

[waxen arch]

I wanna read it

[severe harbor]

which pin

[waxen arch]

Assassination pin

[wispy atlas]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[severe harbor]

??????

no shit

?

[waxen arch]

Pin assssunation guide

[severe harbor]

SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE

this one?

[waxen arch]

Ty!!

Yes

[hollow jungle]

i have the on use vers trinket...is it awful to macro that to vendetta? both 2 min cd/s

[soft island]

#shiwtooltip vendetta /cast vendetta /use trinket name?

#showtooltip

[little frigate]

lads a quick question

[soft island]

It's decent idea

[little frigate]

so when you attack a pack of mobds, do you garrote 3 mobs one after the other? ignoring your CP cap?

[soft island]

Yes

[little frigate]

(with the right traits)

aights, thanks

[sly bloom]

hey guys, you let exansg bleeds fall out right?

[late moat]

for the opening rotation do you Garrote 2x or 1 Garrote then Mutilate for 5 points then rapture ?

[thorn crater]

FotM incoming boys,simc site updated

[desert pelican]

But why its a lazy muti -_-

[glacial steppe]

just did a sethraliss +10 with 101 deaths

and 1 hour overtime

yikes

[long bramble]

Quick question, after our opener Vendetta comes off CD a bit before Vanish... do we hold onto Vendetta for a few seconds to make sure we can get the vanish inside the Vendetta window?

only applies to the first one after the opener

[strange python]

you hold it

[long bramble]

Just enough to get the garrotes in the vendetta window right

[strange python]

pretty much

[faint harness]

How Shisaera? Almost 1 chested that in +10 :p

[tired helm]

will ass rogue be the best spec after nerfs?

[hushed pulsar]

it feels damn good to play that's for sure

[sinful lotus]

@late moat You Stealth, Gar, Rup, Gar, Vendetta+trink if you have one, Mut, Rup, XSang

[lone junco]

@long bramble vendetta is 20sec. Exang full duration is 1/2 of your rupture time. Make sure they overlap.

[glacial steppe]

@faint harness dunno, nobody knew how the first boss actually works and stuff like that

[lone junco]

After the opener they are split up. We resync them for 220.

[tired helm]

so exsg best atm?

[eager grove]

since we have completely different values for single and multitarget, what are you mythic plus assa rogues using as stat weights for pawn? hectic add cleave sims or what?

[magic zenith]

Noobe MVP in the time of the great sin migration

[vernal walrus]

when i use gar from stealth, i think that gar isnt buffed from the talent and i need to use second to take the buff

its a bug?

[tired helm]

is there a different stat prior running exsg?

[lone junco]

@magic zenith We will see some really good logs this coming week.

@vernal walrus

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[late moat]

@sinful lotus so i should rup at 3 CP >?

[vernal walrus]

im talking about the first gar from stealth

[faint harness]

How likely is it that SS will be nerfed on monday/tuesday?

[sinful lotus]

@late moat Yes, since your first rupture will be extended/overwritten/buffed by the last Rupture you cast before XSang. If you follow the opening rotation, the last Rupture you cast will be a 5 CP rupture

Stealth- Gar - Rup (3cp) - Gar - Vendetta - Mut (5 CP now) - Rup (at 5CP) then XSang.

[oblique juniper]

no 3rd gar in rotation?

[strange python]

not for ST

[sinful lotus]

I could be wrong, but I don't think you cast a 3rd Gar in ST during opener

[little frigate]

but you do cast a second one?

so gar rupture gar?

[sinful lotus]

Yes

[oblique juniper]

in mt i ususally gar 3 dif targets then rupture one then fan envenom fan envenom, is that correct?

[sinful lotus]

Don't you want to Rupture all 3 targets?

[oblique juniper]

i think it depends if they would die easily or not right?

[lone junco]

G g g Ct. FOK FOK ruptures.

If there are 3t+. Hit them with the garrote. Don't bug it.

If it is a big pack. Garrote the elites. Not the shitty trash.

[sinful lotus]

so one Gar for each target, what if you're not running CT. Just gar 3 targets, Fok then Rup all 3 assuming they don't insta die?

[lone junco]

M+ uses Ct.

[faint harness]

I've seen PB

from a lot of players

[sinful lotus]

Even on 2-3;s?

[lone junco]

Don't use pb.

It's like 10% of overall dmg. Pb is way way low.

[sinful flint]

When running sharpened blades, just use the skill at 30?

[oblique juniper]

hmmm interesting. ill try out ct

[strange python]

any good gear for us from warfronts?

[lone junco]

I would never use sharp knife.

Saw a socketed 375 dagger.

[strange python]

u get azerite only no?

azerite gear

[sinful flint]

But sharpened blade is the bis trait for assa?

You dont get azerite gear from warfront

[strange python]

my friend got chest 370

from it

[jolly notch]

Ss is bis for assassination

[full delta]

@lone junco after the opener when our cds are off cooldown, do i vanish, gar rupt gar vandetta multi rupt exs?

[sinful flint]

But doess SS stack?

[lone junco]

Sharp has zero cleave. It's one knife.

[jolly notch]

The damage does

[fervent beacon]

The damage stack.

[lone junco]

@full delta st?

[strange python]

why people talking about sharp knifes?

[fervent beacon]

Exsang hype bois

[strange python]

its boring gameplay

[full delta]

yeah

on a boss

[lone junco]

I posted opener. Like 25 times.

From: Nooberog has: file

[full delta]

not the opener

[lone junco]

I'm on phone.

[full delta]

after that

[lone junco]

Oh.

Midblock

1:30 or 2:20?

[full delta]

yeah on the second rotation of our cds

i assume it would be the same as everytime after our opener

[lone junco]

At :50. You just refresh mut mut garrote rupture exsang.

Oh god no.

[full delta]

no after that

when we have vanish vendetta and exs off cd again from

[calm shell]

Guys wth? Im doing right now a +3 SoB and my dmg feels so different than yesterday

[lone junco]

After that you can hold exsang trinket for vendetta vanish.

But. Then it falls apart in st.

[fervent beacon]

Make more sense so you don't kill our beloved exsang rogue expert.

[lone junco]

But boss mechanics will help it re align

[fervent beacon]

@calm shell it could just be you

[lone junco]

Bis jack just doesn't do question time.

[full delta]

what i mean is 2 min mark when everything is off cd, what rotation do we do?

[strange python]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[fervent beacon]

@lone junco you may as well write up a mini guide at this point

[lone junco]

At at 1:50 exsang is ready. 205 vendetta is ready. 2:20. Vanish is ready

Vendetta mut mut rupture trinket vanish g g rupture exsang. Afk.

Something like that.

[oblique juniper]

u should do a youtube video cuz until now theres non that explains it with the traits

[full delta]

@lone junco thankyou, sorry for making it confusing as fuck, youre doing gods work

[lone junco]

I'll wait for the patch.

But should be safe.

For bosses. Specifically. Look at the top logs using exang. There is no rng. None.

So raid timing. Gear. And decision.

Each boss timing will be micro managed.

Like. An unbuffed exsang on elevator. Maybe.

But resync everything after.

Make sure you exsang after lust hits btw.

Like lust at t=6, yell loudly.

I didn't know exang snapshots haste. That would have been good to know since 4p20

[opal adder]

exang viable without SS?

[lone junco]

Gonna go with No.

But you can sim that.

[shy axle]

You guys changing to assa raidspecc wise ?

[lone junco]

The only thing the sim is wonking is the 3t opener.

Bad ones.

[terse pawn]

warfront 370 chest doesn't have SS on it 😦

feels bad

[lone junco]

Check out the heroic fetid. There is a jellybean.

Like R4

Quality opener and 2:20.

[vernal walrus]

link?

[lone junco]

No.

[nimble tartan]

noobe but what if i play poison ez build no thinking

[lone junco]

Truth.

The profile is higher avg Lower peak.

I feeeeel.

Sustained st. = tb or exang.

Vuln or 2min windows due to mech. Exsang >>

That red guy with the waves of circles and adds. Is open. 2:30. 4:30.

Ideal for exsang rounds.

Unless you like Tb on the shitty adds.

[nimble tartan]

i wanna see a heroic ghuun when he takes 100% more damage with lust as exsang

[lone junco]

Mythic vuln is 24 sec.

[nimble tartan]

i did it as sub and peaked at like 45k dps looking from start of lust to end of lust

[lone junco]

Talked with Ylaijo. I think exsang might work well there.

Sub will fit well there too.

[faint harness]

https://gyazo.com/33f0b00dc2fafd371c818c6fc3e21921

Russian rogue

with exang

[lone junco]

Symbol and 3-4 dance.

[nimble tartan]

o that looks a lot better

ye i had symbols sblade and like 4 dances there

[lone junco]

He pushes from 2:30 all the way o 3:30.

[nimble tartan]

https://i.imgur.com/dUYM8Qz.png

[lone junco]

I haven't even seen ghuun normal. We are on the jelly bean boss.

[strange python]

nerfs inc

[lone junco]

Nah. That's why they make vuln windows.

[strange python]

for sure

[lone junco]

For big eggplant.

[strange python]

Hey guys, for gems, I use +40 Haste ?

[lone junco]

@nimble tartan that 80k is massive.

What's bigger than an eggplant.

[full delta]

Mr eggplant is bigger

[lone junco]

4 dance is like 18-20 sec. perfect for a 24sec window.

Outlaw starts hard rolling for 5b. Hold deeeps. I don't have it yet.

[nimble tartan]

95k eviscerates monkaS

[lone junco]

We gonna see some master assassin tb env runs?

Neg. that's 2 90k env max prob.

[nimble tartan]

i had 2 95k env casts

i mean evis

[lone junco]

Maybe lucky double crits at 100k.

[nimble tartan]

exsang gonna be HOT on that phase

[lone junco]

I hope so.

[somber wyvern]

which spec does most dmg on bosses?

single target in other words 😃

[nimble bison]

Arcane

[somber wyvern]

rogue ofc 😃

[urban storm]

i cant seem to find on raidbots where it lets you choose your weapon enchantment

[strange python]

2nd ss trait is simming 9 dps higher than laser matrix... can i just run laser matrix lol

it heals ppl

[nimble bison]

Latest sim says ass @somber wyvern

[topaz gulch]

What haste numbers are you targeting!? I was messing with sin a few days ago on dummy's and it just felt like I never had energy. Felt real bad

[somber wyvern]

okey thx

where do I find the sims?

[quaint sequoia]

with a sharpend blade trait I just use PB when got full stacks?

[lost heart]

Quick question, CT or PB for M+?

[gleaming kelp]

I prefer CT

[sick oyster]

is subterfuge / garrote dmg still bugged?

[hollow rose]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[hollow rose]

@sick oyster

[sick oyster]

thanks

[quaint sequoia]

anyone got a weakaura for Sharpened Blade trait?

[meager aspen]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h67WXaT8ymaXnTaniuFv4Z

What can I increase/decrease to improve my sim ? (except weap) More Crit/less Haste ? got 20% CC/17% Haste

[urban storm]

better sim -= better itemization

more items with your 2 highest stat weights

[strange echo]

So did SS get a ninja nerf like BitS did for sub new sims this morning are putting other azerite traits heads and tails above my x3 SS

[wise whale]

wtf i just noticed this is not for rogues

https://www.wowhead.com/item=163958/freezies-bubble-popper

i am wearing htat since 3 weeks

[somber wyvern]

how does sin aoe compare to outlaw?

[strange python]

right now my 2nd SS trait is simming for only 9 dps more than laser matrix

[somber wyvern]

is outlaw much better for keystone?

[sly bloom]

woo 370 wep in the warfront cache :>

haste/crit

[strange python]

wow

grats

[sly bloom]

thanks!

[strange echo]

So maybe running x3 SS traits isn't the best anymore?

[spice surge]

For pure ST ilvl could def beat out SS

Although for M+ i just dont see it

[strange python]

is it worth running crimson tempest over poison bomb in m+

[somber wyvern]

do i need daggers in both hand for sin?

[verbal dock]

[prime quail]

🤦🏼‍♂️

[strange python]

@strange echo I don’t think that SS stack.
@strange python depends on affixes. I like it. Bad for Skittish and kite scenarios because mobs will walk out of pool
@somber wyvern yes. Yes you do.

[somber wyvern]

Tack

[strange python]

Reckon they'll hit Shrouded Suffocation like they did Deadshot and BitS?

[muted quarry]

SS wasnt on the list that i saw

[little frigate]

@strange python I dont think shrouded is op though

[wise whale]

could we get 4 ss garrots in when they fix the bug?

if so it might be OP

[spice surge]

We cant

Only 3 gcds in subterfuge

[wise whale]

ok

[prime quail]

What has the bug to do with gcds

🤔

[spice surge]

How do you cast 4 stealthed garrotes in 3 seconds?

[prime quail]

Doubleclick

😁

[wise whale]

yeah dumb question

but that is what this discord is for right?!

[prime quail]

Imagine SS would work in normal garrotes

[wise whale]

oh boy

[spice surge]

Also @little frigate i would say SS is extremly OP. The fact that its the best ST trait

Ontop of being godly in m+

[strange python]

It's the best ST trait by an order of magnitude

It's better than the 2nd trait than BitS was

[spice surge]

Almost quadrupling your garrote dmg from stealth is pretty silly for a trait

[strange python]

It's fun though

Same how Deadshot was cool

[wise whale]

they should nerf the trait and just make garrot 4x damage baseline

[strange python]

They should've seen this coming a mile away

make it 5x

haha

[jade widget]

Do you refresh a Exsan Rapture? or let is run out and reapply

[spice surge]

well, maybe its not intended that SS gets multiplied by subterfuge

But idk 🤷

@jade widget let it run out

[strange python]

How is Sin pressure in PvP

Does it combo as well in RMP as sub did pre-nerf

[golden mulch]

is there a way to check the warfront azerite gear for tzraits?

[stone quartz]

sin has insane aoe pressure in pvp

for rbg

[tawny shell]

Did ss get a ninja nerf? I just woke up but can’t find a confirmation

[spice surge]

@golden mulch Its the same as pvp gear, only 1 chest has SS

Nope @tawny shell

[river crater]

!opener

!open

!pull

!help

[prisma monolith]

Bot commands:

Moderation:
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[river crater]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[river crater]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Do my azerite traits stack?
The damage part of azerite Stacks.
Other components can be assumed to stack however with some exceptions and limitations.
You can check https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/azeritestacks/1t-t22-assassination for estimations.

[split veldt]

do we envenom at 4 still?

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Do my azerite traits stack?
The damage part of azerite Stacks.
Other components can be assumed to stack however with some exceptions and limitations.
You can check https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/azeritestacks/1t-t22-assassination for estimations.

[dusty glade]

yes

[split veldt]

cant figure out how the other rogue did way more envenom dmage than me, but i still beat him on meters

[dusty glade]

deeper strategem?

[split veldt]

hmm maybe, i didnt see his talents

[dusty glade]

could also have Twist the Knife

[spice surge]

Prob twist the knife traits

[split veldt]

yeah, that makes sense, i just wanted to make sure i wasnt fucking up

thanks

[modest zodiac]

so toxic blade is now unplayable? only need exsg?

[frank shuttle]

So what does "EXSG" mean?

[dusty glade]

np. I mean if you;re still ahead on meters, extra envenom prob doesn't matter

toxic blade is fine

[strange python]

exsanguinate

[frank shuttle]

so that's stronger than toxic blade now?

[cinder lotus]

should i use a 330 shoulder with SS instead a 340 with SB?

i knew it the emotic was gonna show up haha

[vernal walrus]

gar-rup-gar- 1x mut - rup - trinket-Vendetta- 1xmut - Esang- envenom - 2x mut- envenom - 1x mut - vanish- gar - rup - 1xmut - enve

so thas the opener¿

or im worng¿

wrong

thats what i do and it seems good but ...

[sinful lotus]

I think the correct rotation is Gar-Rup-Gar-Vendetta +Trink - Mut - Rup - XSang

for Opener.

[frank shuttle]

so is shrouded suffocation best for boss fights?

[modest zodiac]

yes

[frank shuttle]

what's the reason for using gar a second time after first rupture?

[spice surge]

24 seconds garrote is more than 18 seconds garrote

[frank shuttle]

alright, so it doesnt replace the stronger gar?

[modest zodiac]

so 2 ss and 1 double dose?

[spice surge]

Subterfuge @frank shuttle

[modest zodiac]

what is the subtefurge trait called

[twilit owl]

gartore ( 18 sec) > Rupter 3 CB ( 16 sec) Garote ( Pandemic Refresh 24 sec) > Mut > Rupter 5 CB ( 30 Sec Pandemic Refresh)

[fringe zodiac]

how much % tempo do you have guys?

[twilit owl]

Thats why you lap Garote and Rupter

[sullen robin]

Exsang and toxic blade are pretty equal, depends on your stats, sim yourself to find what's best for you

[twilit owl]

@fringe zodiac 21%

[fringe zodiac]

i have 15 % and 32 with galecallers

what should i reach without galecallers?

[coral meteor]

what is tempo

[spice surge]

Haste if you have the german(?) client

[fringe zodiac]

oh sry yeah haste

[modest zodiac]

so 2 ss and 1 double doze?

[spice surge]

Just get what simc tells you to get

[twilit owl]

Tempo is German, yes xD

[coral meteor]

Can we have that on the English client too?

[fringe zodiac]

if u are in group with germans y

[coral meteor]

And just change Crit to "bang factor"

[modest zodiac]

700 haste

should go exsg

imp

imo

[kindred forge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tsgjC3bKwVmY61A6WUNP1o

Nice balance bois 😃

[sullen robin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u69b7NPEs5tQ1eUEagUfh2

[modest zodiac]

@kindred forge my sub doing about the same with 350

[sullen robin]

I use TB

[kindred forge]

@modest zodiac On paper 😃

[gleaming kelp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ef31XWrNieBVfUUgQ5EUkF

;d

[kindred forge]

Haste on 20% and still TB simming higher for ST

[modest zodiac]

@kindred forge no

I still do that much

[strange python]

i should vendetta before the first mut right

[vagrant marlin]

anyone running high m+ can tell me if crit mastery is the optimal?

ye dude sims show haste and every top runner is running crit mastery

[vapid oracle]

Are you simming patchwork or for m+

[vagrant marlin]

hetic add cleave

[vapid oracle]

Do a sim for 4 targets 40 seconds and a 1 target 2 minute sim and look at those weights

[woven bane]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[vagrant marlin]

@vapid oracle that works ty

[simple girder]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5Y13MKCLT6EtqBiG6miEfT haste above agi 🤔

[dull root]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pyAaD8LVM32cpsPY1kaofQ

exh sims 6 dps higher than toxic blade currently lol

[sullen robin]

Changes with your stats @dull root

@dull root I'm 355 and exh is a 2%loss

[dull root]

@sullen robin Yeah I know I was using it for heroic zul to burst down adds and it seemed like a huge dps increase

[sullen robin]

@dull root forgot yeah for prio targets its huge

[dull root]

@sullen robin Yeah I was loving it over toxic on zul especially

[patent ridge]

guys since in the ravenholdt guide dont show what gems to equipp shall i go for haste or crit (apart from agility one)

[rich olive]

Guys for opener, should you Garrote > Rupture > Garrote > Vendetta > Muti x2 (for 5 cp) > Rupture > Exsang or just Muti once.

[civic palm]

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[wispy portal]

do you have no ss traits senetix?

[rich olive]

I have 3x.

[wispy portal]

then why would you have to mut twice lol

the second garrote will give you 3 cp, then mut once and youll always have 5. so yeah just one mut

[rich olive]

I actually dno, i just got confused haha.

[wispy portal]

all good it be like that sometimes

[low nymph]

Which dungeons drop garrote traits?

[terse pawn]

One garrote gives 3 cp yeah?

Shrine for head,freehold shoulders

Underrot chest

[civic palm]

https://azerite.info/

[low nymph]

Thx

[wispy portal]

fetid devourer also

for chest

[civic palm]

That's the important one.

[lone junco]

@rich olive

[terse pawn]

Why two ruptures

For vendetta?

Ah I see vendetta exsang

[jovial kite]

https://gyazo.com/109fa802b887838b21f1fe9ac64c3806

[civic palm]

rummages through his charts

[jovial kite]

[lone junco]

@jovial kite which boss

[civic palm]

Best Rank - pfffffffffft

[coral meteor]

[LAUGHS IN POISONS]

[terse pawn]

Mfw 23k

[jovial kite]

fetid

[civic palm]

Called it > _>

[lone junco]

did you push that 3rd exang for the 220 alignment?

[civic palm]

Just in time for the boss to die ":3

[lone junco]

I ran shrine a few times for GC. got a Sharp kinfe shoulder

ill run like 10 more tonight at my hotel if the web isnt complete shit

[civic palm]

G L

[tall falcon]

Just killed mythrax hc and got rank 2

[civic palm]

ok

[rich olive]

@lone junco Wait you use muti before using vendetta?

[lone junco]

doesnt matter imo

the goal is to overlap that vendetta on as many seconds of SS as possible. and between the opener, the exang and the vanish reset. it is 100% covered

I bind trinket to the vendetta. so i want that GC 10 sec. to be across the Exang. not some shitty Mut

[civic palm]

bind GC to EX wait the 15 seconds O _O lose DPS more-than-likely.

[fresh nexus]

is exang > TB now?

[ripe geyser]

Just got a 355 azerite piece without SS, feels weird that I would do more dps with 2 SS and 1 Laser Matrix than 3 SS :// simc broken or is it true? D:

[civic palm]

Why would the sim be broken...

There's no funkiness with SS, no procs/etc. if 1 sims correctly (where the rotational change happens) then 2 and 3 should sim correctly.

Laser Matrix is a lot of damage.

Well it's not that much.

[coral meteor]

"no funkiness with ss"

[civic palm]

But it's not crap.

[coral meteor]

Apart from it breaks if you cast unbuffed garrote whilst an ss buffed garrote is up

😦

[civic palm]

Funkiness in the sense that it breaks the ST simulation you butt.

[coral meteor]

Haha, butt

🤣

[signal cargo]

Also afaik sims don’t take the secondary buff of LM into account, so it’s very good in uldir

[eternal wave]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[nimble tartan]

I just want the sims to reflect how strong laser matrix is 😭

[weak pine]

Should I use CT on Zul?

[calm mesa]

is assassination the new highest dps spec?

can i sim the 9/11 updates? :o)

[coral meteor]

Depends, do I have a crystal ball?

[delicate gull]

they're in nightly

[calm mesa]

cool ty

[oblique juniper]

ive been trying to farm another dagger other than the pvp one around ilvl 340. any hints?

[jovial kite]

https://gyazo.com/e4f239affc2ef4682f8b4d1c6e554ae9

[prime stirrup]

@weak pine Yeah i think CT is a good talent for Zul. also if you are failing to get adds down quickly it might be ebst for your group to hero on pull

[cinder lotus]

So i sim a 340 should wth SB and 330 with SS the 340 is better for 11 dps, but my doubt is if should keep the SS one? since i will be wearing 2 SS trait

[spice surge]

SS will be better for m+

So keep it

[muted quarry]

why is haste so hard to get

[rich olive]

How would u want to use your 2nd vend/van/exsang.

[cinder lotus]

thanks @spice surge

[muted quarry]

Im at 26 cirt, 28 masteery, and only 10% haste. I cant get any gear to change that

[golden mulch]

hm im 21 17 32 and have a haste proc trinket on thats oky i guess especially with quick navigation up

[cinder lotus]

21 crit 17 haste for me

[muted quarry]

Everytime i get a gear upgrade its mastery

[prime stirrup]

im 24 crit 19.5 haste

[muted quarry]

i got to go back to the drawing board to get some haste in my life

[weak pine]

Oh yea doing 2k more DPS with CT

[prime stirrup]

PVP for dual haste over crit daggers, also drops a nice haste over crit ring

[muted quarry]

do you know the name of the daggers?

[prime stirrup]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471455062422454272/487868000310001674/Capture.PNG

[muted quarry]

thanks

[strange python]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/blackmoore/Míkâ skilled from outlaw to assa but my dmg is now about 2-3k lower overall can someone tell me whats off ?

[civic palm]

From your armory profile? Probably not.

[strange python]

from the stats mayve

maybe

[civic palm]

Unless you have tons of vers. but we don't really have a ton of potential stats at the moment.

[pulsar leaf]

get SS traits

[torpid sluice]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[strange python]

mastery is important ?

[civic palm]

It's better than VERS.

[pulsar leaf]

always go with your own sims for stats tbh

[winter pulsar]

Is there any reason to play Subterfuge on ST fights,

?*

[civic palm]

yes

[pulsar leaf]

garrote damage buff

[winter pulsar]

What does the first 3 seconds of your opener look like then

With subterfuge

[civic palm]

SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE

[fresh ginkgo]

exsang sims literally 3 dps higher than TB for me

[winter pulsar]

You just repeatedly garrote for 3 seconds of sub?

I’m confused sorry

[weak pine]

I got 20 dps from exang but using TB since I'm used to it

[fresh ginkgo]

yea not used to exsang at all

[surreal solar]

garrote -> rupt -> garrote because the still boofed garrote and 3 cp

with SS

[civic palm]

It's... in the guide...

O _O

[winter pulsar]

Makes sense thanks @surreal solar

[surreal solar]

we still suck the most atm out of rogues

at least not druids

[civic palm]

_>

[weak pine]

All 3 rogue specs are top tier

[pulsar leaf]

^^

[weak pine]

After nerfs Sin will be the #1 again

[surreal solar]

yay

[weak pine]

We lost 4% since T21, the others lsot 8%

[muted quarry]

strange those daggers only increase my DPS 300

[civic palm]

Why is that strange?

[jovial kite]

300 is a lot

[muted quarry]

i thought that much more haste would bump it up

[civic palm]

Nah wDPS is huge value, not stats really.

You get at most 2DPS per stat.

[muted quarry]

thats it? so my 10% haste is not really screwing me as much as i thought

[civic palm]

No that's still kinda low.

[muted quarry]

hahahah i know. i was trying to find some gear to bring it up but everything i get is mastery

[prime stirrup]

My current stats. no pots/raid buffs/food

[viral tusk]

So I just switched to Assassination from using outlaw for a while, just to see how different it feels and ect. I feel like my single target DPS in mythic is just low, what are you guys pulling on regular mythic single target wise

[sudden canyon]

whats the significance of the double garrote?

after vanish

[prime stirrup]

single target with bloodlust you should be able to pull 15-20k on bosses

[civic palm]

Duration.

[prime stirrup]

obviously higher if you have a high dps comp and can burn through it before vanish SS garrote wears off

[civic palm]

Yeah, or lower if your group somehow isn't on the same boss as you.

and forgot how to operate their fucking hands.

[viral tusk]

Without lust, pots ect. Just a normal 2 min mythic fight

[prime stirrup]

no mythic boss should last 2 minutes except like shrine last boss

[hybrid thicket]

Guys What do you think about 3x SS and 3x Head my Call ?

[civic palm]

I think those are good traits?

[prime stirrup]

if its straight up tank and spank with simple dodge mechs you should be doing high dmg

[hybrid thicket]

I just found piece and have them on every azerite gear. Tried to test it in m+6 as 350 and toping the charts in dmg. Even when my mates are 355-356ilvl

[civic palm]

ok

[hollow escarp]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[strange python]

where do I see the proper opener

with toxic blade?

[civic palm]

In the guide.

[weak pine]

The blue link on top of the page

Don't even have to check pins for it

[civic palm]

SIN GUIDE HERE ►►► http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ ◄◄◄ SIN GUIDE HERE

[terse pawn]

Where do I see the proper opener

[civic palm]

SIN GUIDE HERE ►►► http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ ◄◄◄ SIN GUIDE HERE

[coral meteor]

Where is our rotation?

[civic palm]

SIN GUIDE HERE ►►► http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ ◄◄◄ SIN GUIDE HERE

[coral meteor]

[civic palm]

I had to find more aggressive arrows.

[coral meteor]

I feel like you're -this- close to an aneurysm

I may as well finish the job 🤣

[civic palm]

Nah at this point it's just another day.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I might have had an aneurysm in like... 2016?

[hollow cloud]

is there any haste "sweetspot" for exsang?

I do keep pawn up-to-date and sims but 🤷 just figured id ask

[civic palm]

15% maybe? Probably a combination of the rest of your stats though.

[jovial kite]

if you want to find out, sim yourself

[civic palm]

PAWN isn't going to tell you shit about your weights though.

[jovial kite]

simulationcraft.com

[civic palm]

http://raidbots.com

[jovial kite]

there is a softcap

so sim your plots and stat graphs

[civic palm]

Like a DR softcap?

[jovial kite]

theres a spot where haste stops being best going forward

atleast for my character

[civic palm]

mmm

Sure.

[hollow cloud]

I see

[jovial kite]

it was after 18.5

but might vary char to char

[civic palm]

I was gonna say, gotta be near 18 or so.

I am at 16 and the value keep rising.

[hollow cloud]

Im at 16.9 and crit is now worth more

:/

[white igloo]

Where’s the guide?

[muted quarry]

hahahah

[hollow cloud]

[soft island]

first pull on taloc... 99 percentile... damn assa will get nerfed too?:D

and I messed up cds

[civic palm]

wut

[spring lantern]

percentile is no indication of how strong a spec is

btw

[soft island]

I kno

dont worry

I got beat by aff lock 😄

[civic palm]

I am worried.

Why have you made me worried?

rood

[stark ridge]

it's only an indication of how strong and handsome and good looking you are compared to your direct competition

[soft island]

😦 I am sorry

I was happy I did decent

[stark ridge]

really wish I didn't DE all my mythic azerite gear I wasn't using 8^)

[uncut solar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r5XXEKCeszCTx2r4DCcgp8

[rancid oxide]

when opening on an aoe pack do i just spread a bunch of garrotes and not worry about over capping CP?

[civic palm]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[civic palm]

Just 3 atm.

Don't worry about capping CP though.

[rancid oxide]

ok

[stray fox]

Do you exsang on cd after opener? or after fresh garrote + rupture?

[fresh ginkgo]

fresh garrote + rupture

[stray fox]

👍

[rancid oxide]

exsang?

i thought TB was the choice in that row

sorry havent played sin since ABT

[fresh ginkgo]

gotta sim

i have 2x SS traits and exsang is like 3 dps better for me than tb

[delicate crater]

TB is soooo last week.......gosh!

[fresh ginkgo]

but i like TB more

[ornate hazel]

guys what stats we stacking for Mythics?

[lofty sand]

was watching Frag do ghuun today and he was still using tb

I think most people still fall back to it

[delicate gull]

I really want to get a full vendetta vanish exsg during ghuun burst phase

[kindred forge]

When 355 helm sims better from 375

[tough whale]

welcome to azerite

itll happen alot

[nimble tartan]

lmao wtf got a 390 from the scenario quest

[strange python]

how do you aoe as assa if you dont have crimson tempest skilled?

[delicate root]

Tab key

[fresh ginkgo]

i think tb is much more forgiving

however is m+ it might be super fun to run exsang

[delicate root]

It is

[terse pawn]

Exsang is still just single target right?

Would be cool if it ticked all your bleeds

[wide delta]

any tips on ghuun Heroic as sin?

[icy oar]

@uncut solar what is ur azerite traits?

[restive path]

wat haste are u guys at

[uncut solar]

@icy oar 2x Shrouded Suffocation and Double Dose

mine is %18

[restive path]

im sittin at 14, im told i need more to play exsanguinate?

[uncut solar]

idk i play with toxic blade

[icy oar]

@uncut solar u going haste>crit>mast?

[prime crest]

is double dose any good boys ?

[uncut solar]

@icy oar yeah raidbot says same

[little frigate]

hm anyone else dipsing higher than they sim?

[vagrant marlin]

when the other faction gets control of arathi?

[thick jacinth]

I am so poorly stated

[little frigate]

simmed 11k and did 14k without flask on the 3 headed dragon thingy

[thick jacinth]

jesus

358 only simming 11.7k as assassination

big yikes

[little frigate]

weird

i sim 11k and im 342

[muted quarry]

that doesnt seem right xegony

[kindred forge]

He for sure forgot to change Azer traits as me 😃

[brittle juniper]

Anyone able to offer any advice in regards to aoeing. There’s something I’m not doing right as mines doo doo. (My weapons are utter poo I might add)

[thick jacinth]

@muted quarry it's honestly my stats

I can DM you my sim if you want a closer look

I simmed myself and another rogue the same ilvl as me on my realm

and it's just so bad.

big yikes

actually I'm probably trolling, assassination uses different enchants and I didn't change traits.

LOL

[civic palm]

nah

It would be more interesting if you were using intellect daggers.

[thick jacinth]

I don't have any good traits anyway

I got 2 370 pieces tho

what enchants most assassination rogues running? haste/crit?

[daring imp]

haste for life man

if you think you have enough haste, sim again

[thick jacinth]

surely not on both tho right?

[daring imp]

oh on weps

[thick jacinth]

dimishing returns

ya

[daring imp]

yea crit/haste

[thick jacinth]

crit mainhand?

[daring imp]

well from personal experience the more haste i have the higher it sims

so ...

even higher than agi now with a good mainhand

[thick jacinth]

see like I think my stats are in a good spot for assassination aoe

because haste is low xd

[daring imp]

that might be why the other guy sims higher

that fotmflash

[thick jacinth]

yeah I mean I'm also simming with sub traits and crit enchants with crit mastery enchants

but I'm at work so I can't change any of that now I'll have to suss it out when I get home.

[spring lantern]

@little frigate read the boss abilities bruv

He takes 50% more damage below 50%

[little frigate]

aah

thanks mate

[daring imp]

@thick jacinth also traits, which ones you got and the other guy got?

that high he must have 3x SS

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[thick jacinth]

he only has 1 SS

I won't have any but my azerite pieces are much bigger

[sullen robin]

Ooof no ss

That's a big yikes

[thick jacinth]

I can get one.

But surely the traits not worth 30 ilvl in an azerite slot?

[echo geyser]

How long does it take to get access to the world boss after the warfront contribution thing reaches 100%?
and doing the scenario

[sullen robin]

Having at least 1 is good. But for sin ots pretty important

[muted quarry]

im still lost on this warfront thing.

[sullen robin]

Just sim gear compare the traits

I simmed at almost 13k with 2ss and only 340 azerite

Now I have 2ss and I'm 355 and I'm well over 13k

[simple acorn]

hey guys which is better, Tidal Surge or Poisoned Wire for azerite traits?

[civic palm]

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/azeritelevels/1t-t22-assassination
https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=azerite_traits&type=trait_stacking&tier=3

[thick jacinth]

bruh if I get 385 SS trait chest from my cache this week I'm gonna nut

live on stream

[royal lantern]

send me a pm when that happens

[civic palm]

_>

[thick jacinth]

trust me if it happens ima be back showing it off

[civic palm]

Great.

[thick jacinth]

ya'll know the flat stat rings?

the boe ones

1 stat

there's a 395 socketed mastery one on the AH on my server

6.5m

[nimble tartan]

show pic please

[obtuse vale]

Does anyone have a WeakAura for assassination?

[muted quarry]

Who is Talon and where can i find them

for the Construct Overcharger trinket

ahhhh TALOC. icy veins is wrong

[daring imp]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[daring imp]

@obtuse vale

[pseudo light]

has anyone tried crimson tempest for m+?

[thick jacinth]

lots of people lol

[storm siren]

Trying out assa cmong over from outlaw and the spec feels extremely slow. Like waiting 2-3 seconds between many casts slow. Is this just how it plays?

coming*

[thick jacinth]

uh

[pseudo light]

is it better than poison bomb

[thick jacinth]

did you put your poisons on

hahaha

[icy oar]

xD

[storm siren]

Yep thats it

God i feel stupid

[icy oar]

always forget btw

[thick jacinth]

HAHA

[storm siren]

nothing to see here folks

[thick jacinth]

dw the only reason I know that

[muted quarry]

is there a add on to be annoying when poisons are off

[thick jacinth]

is because I've done it.

I could probably modify my hunter pet weak aura into poisons

[daring imp]

@pseudo light great if your tank pulls two or more packs at once

[storm siren]

Thanks , i'll try again. Just got a 370 SS piece so i thought i should atleast try it out now with thje upcoming outlaw and sub neerfs

[daring imp]

did like ~10% consistent overall i've been running it a lot yesterday

while poison bomb is merely at 3%, 4% tops

[pseudo light]

thanks

[daring imp]

if the tank wasn't such a wuss i'd do much better with ct i guess

[thick jacinth]

bro imagine if exsang effected all targets with bleeds

[daring imp]

not garrote-like but really good

[thick jacinth]

and not just main target

x3 garrotes, ruptes and ct - exang

nyoooom hp to zero

wouldn't even mind if they made it weaker just to allow that.

[daring imp]

it should affect all targets with bleeds, with diminishing returns depending on how many are bleeding

:X

but "noooo let's make it st" says blizz

[thick jacinth]

also I get SS is huge but why is the rupture trait still simming best for 4+ targets?

[vernal sinew]

gguys what si better?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qPiDy2gTRwbikLRvsrBApR
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fJ7s4fWcie8yPBP6X4VEnS