shit
#assassination
civic palm
acoustic flame
I said it
civic palm
Looq is taking sole responsibility.
opaque grotto
collect your DPS
solar fog
Can someone answer me, i'm using TB and 2xSS, guide says to use vendeta on cd but also says to pair it with vanish. But they never align together properly.
earnest hedge
dance 3 times in M+ fights don't last long enough
opaque grotto
the first vanish/vendetta after your opener will not line up
you wait for them to line up
and then every time after that they will line up
civic palm
Yeah just wait after the opener, should not have to wait more than ~10 seconds.
acoustic flame
How much will assa suffer when they nerf ss trait
solar fog
I get it, thanks.
orchid wraith
i feel like im always energy starved :S
opaque grotto
that's just assass
acoustic flame
same for sub tbh
civic palm
Might end up buffing Scent if they nerf SS to try and compensate.
acoustic flame
Maybe not as bad with single target talents
orchid wraith
@opaque grotto but pressing just a button every 3 seconds feels so wrong ๐
solar fog
So after they align, which to use first, vendeta or vanish garrote?
bold steppe
Anyone here trying to push M+ and mind fielding a few questions?
strange python
so M0 Freehold last boss drops the only piece of 340+ SS shoulders?
opaque grotto
I did +10 tol dagor
bold steppe
Basically:
- SS or other azurite trait?
- Exsang?
- PB or CT?
- Opener on packs of 3 mobs?
civic palm
"FUN!!"
earnest hedge
had to 4 man a TD10 today
earnest hedge
did you know it's possible to do TD10 without a healer?
prime crest
wat are they gonna nerf ss on next hotfixes ?
civic palm
Least Motherload got nerfed > _>
tough whale
You never know, they could SS whenever they please
gusty plinth
yes they will remove ss
tough whale
Always subject to change ๐
prime crest
thought they hotfixed the crap again lul
earnest hedge
velvet magnet
@civic palm I was running 2x Scent before getting all my SS and it actually felt pretty nice, getting out like 3-4 ruptures and FoK spamming with the 600 agi buff was good dmg.
earnest hedge
oh shit that doesn't prove anything
civic palm
_> lol
strange python
does anyone know a 340 shoulders with SS besides the ones that drop from harlan?
civic palm
Nice Normal dungeon > _>
prime crest
gravethorn shoulderguards
vague patrol
it most likely won't be nerfed again for a while
vague patrol
if it's not hit on tuesday
tough whale
Cool man we get it can we stop spamming ss
civic palm
If things are out of hand things can and will be nerfed.
tough whale
There's literally always a chance they could nerf SS at any moment
civic palm
Boss not dead PROVES NOTHING!! :3
earnest hedge
dead boss above
tough whale
Blade in the shadow got nerfed on friday, so literally any day they could be like "Fuck ss lets nerf it"
earnest hedge
had to wait for 5 Brez
vague patrol
because sub was overperforming
tough whale
Just a forwarning that nothing is safe.
tough whale
Ye, just a general disclaimer
Some people still think major traits dont deserve nerfs at some point
civic palm
Nah they can nerf it whenever, doesn't matter.
tough whale
Yup
Just like im holding on to my Vanquished Tendril of G'huun, just in case they steroid it ๐
civic palm
But Mizerok, how could you know that?!
Remember when they nerfed Artifact Weapon Traits after saying that that would be a last resort?
Well they did that a bunch.
tough whale
Youre saying Blizzard sometimes breaks their promises?
spice surge
Does anybody know if EP is still based on CP spent?
civic palm
Some armor trait that's an ez fix now before people glom over their fucking week 1 rank 1 parses can happen whenever.
spice surge
Or if its always 10%? It was based on cp in legion iirc
civic palm
Also, Blizzard doesn't promise anything, they'd just like things to work out and not have to change things.
10%
They at least went and corrected a bunch of tooltips come BfA.
spice surge
Tooltip said 10% always :p
acoustic flame
How much do you guys burst with exsang in opener?
hidden dome
so is bleed spec the clear leader atm over poison
civic palm
Depends on your gear entirely yeah.
keen hound
@acoustic flame I get up to 40k
keen hound
idk, i have 3x ss ๐
hidden dome
hard to from mobile phone when I'm out and about. was just wondering if it was an obvious answer or not
keen hound
Not really no
hidden dome
ok ty
keen hound
Completely depends on gear
acoustic flame
How much do you sim ady
daring imp
@spice surge no, always 10%
keen hound
i'm not super geared
daring imp
@acoustic flame for trash on m+?
acoustic flame
What do u mean
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tNGx4JoB1a4jvFEbwgwWBX i sim about this much
daring imp
7:59 PM] Looq: Does not having 3ss affect it much?
[7:59 PM] Looq: Because I don't even go up to 20k lol
acoustic flame
on single target
keen hound
he's asking about peak dmg on opener
daring imp
yea that's what i meant
keen hound
this fetid pug I messed up (still new to exsang myself... had always ran TB til yesterday when sim finally told me exsang was ahead by 1%)
Just south of 40k peaks on the kill pull. But on some of the wipes I was up over 40k
simple portal
!weakauras
civic palm
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
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hasty grove
with SS is the point of garrote twice at the start of singel target just to get the combo points?
hazy iron
No, the point is that you get an extra 6 seconds of empowered garrote
fossil agate
is there a numerical benefit in assasin or is it just prefrence atm over the others
keen hound
any spec is fine
They will all be pretty close now w/ the nerfs
sin was fine before but now w/ subt / outlaw nerfs they will probably be pretty close and come down to personal preference / performance on individual fights
stone quartz
some fights are really strong for outlaw like zul
wise star
Sub still sims higher for me, but sub has more fuck up potential and more dps variance
fossil agate
yea sub sims like 900 higher for me its what ive been running
wise star
200dps difference after the nerfs for me
acoustic flame
sub sims like 100 dps more for me
fossil agate
but Im thinking learning assasin for like vectis who I cant backstab consistantly
acoustic flame
and i have only 1ss
stone quartz
sin is more mechanic proof, like 50% of your damage is dots
keen hound
yep
get pulled off target? no problem
I always love it in pvp. Get overwhelmed or something and die.... But there's those bleeds and poisons still ticking away ๐
Oh, you are getting low and want to goblin glider away? Okay. 2 seconds later they drop like a rock as bleeds / poisons finish them off ๐
stone quartz
also sin is like 30 actions per minute so thereโs no excuse for fucking up rotation
rain breach
Sin is the most forgiving spec thats true
potent forge
anyone know the spell ID for the ruptuer debuff, can't find it on wowhead
dark token
yeah sin overall dungeon dmg looking pretty juicy
on dungeons where we dont pull 30 things at once
lone junco
Lies. Sin is unforgiving with the vanish vendetta exsang
You mess that 2min alignment. Pack it up.
hexed jasper
Whats the aoe opener with exs and crismon ?
dark token
garrote garrote garotte crimson tempest
spam fok and rupture
crimson tempest when dot on 2s left
start cycling garottes when first 3 run out
hexed jasper
not using exs on aoe?
dark token
oh
lone junco
You can. But it goes on the prio target in the bunch.
dark token
exs whatever your first rupture target is
ideally prio
i also pop my galecallers after the crimson tempest
hexed jasper
alright thanks bois
lone junco
I would save it for the vendetta vanish g g r exsang.
hexed jasper
rerolling from sub havent really played sin in a while
hexed jasper
for me it sims higher
keen hound
depends on your gear
valid dawn
i got 13% haste
lone junco
Its good with SS. Without SS. Don't bother.
keen hound
it's definitely really strong on short fights
keen hound
yep
valid dawn
Is this accurate for the exang opener ? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xac5HPe_-CgXJo4yUiv_LJldqLu5WjPjUq9d0wRqmIg/edit#gid=0
meager knoll
how many SS? @dark token
hexed jasper
Tho i still feel sub is a little better for m+ push
civic palm
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wise star
Hightest intime keys are with assa rogue though
bold steppe
Mizerok that guide is not clear
civic palm
It literally has the openers in it and is clear about them.
bold steppe
Those openers are ST only, I think?
civic palm
All of them are, yeah.
bold steppe
Or at the very least they contradict what I've heard for MT openers
valid dawn
That guide is so vague. It helps no one unless its meant for someone coming from hunter or something
civic palm
SS opener for multi-target is G G G CT FOK RUP FOK RUP
bold steppe
Which isn't in the guide
jovial kite
is it really that hard to figure out though
keen hound
how is it vague? ๐ It tells you exactly how to open on st?
stone quartz
the best guide is to use simc the check out the ability action simulation
civic palm
The guide follows the APL > _>
jovial kite
i dont udnerstand either
bold steppe
It doesn't document the MT opener and the MT opener is pretty relevant
lone junco
G g g Ct. FOK r FOK r vanish g g g r. Yay
civic palm
wow that was hard
jovial kite
yall motherfuckers need jesus
spice surge
Well it also depends A LOT on how many targets
keen hound
MT opener.... get 3 garotes out
civic palm
I've a raid in a bit so later > _>
vanishes
lone junco
@bold steppe The only thing that matters in multi target is not bugging SS.
potent forge
cam someone help me make a filter for nameplate color so it changes when they have ruptureo n them
spice surge
Multi could be 3, could be 120
potent forge
can*
bold steppe
@lone junco You can bug SS?
lone junco
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
keen hound
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
jovial kite
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
keen hound
๐
bold steppe
Ah
keen hound
Is that too vague ?
lone junco
It will feel shitty and lackluster. Cause it's broken.
bold steppe
No, but I hadn't seen it until literally now
lone junco
But once you stop at 3. It becomes G O D
keen hound
It's in teh pins
bold steppe
Like, I was doing Garotte -> Rupture -> Mut -> Rupture -> Exs because Garrotte spam seemed worse
meager knoll
what the fuck
that SS bug has fucked me so hard without me understanding why
I used to do 4 garrotes, 3 in subterfuge and 1 to put it on cd.. never again I guess (MT)
spice surge
Doing that @bold steppe makes you do a garrote that isnt subterfuged... :p
bold steppe
Err
I can't type
Garrotte (from stealth) -> Rupture -> Garrotte
Should get the subt bonus
meager knoll
but that's what he said?
valid dawn
What is the best sim settings to use for m_
bold steppe
I just stumbled upon that because I didn't know about that bug and found garrotte spam sucked :/
meager knoll
what do you mean @keen hound ?
keen hound
if you do 2x garrotes from stealth you get the added benefit of extra time that you have the ss buffed garrote
meager knoll
I'll just do a normal sim and see which one works best?
keen hound
compare talents
for me exsang comes out slightly ahead (~1%)
over TB
PB is still best for st though b/c it's just free dmg at no cost
smoky prism
when we use exang should we let all the bleed fully tick or still refresh them at the normal times
valid dawn
@smoky prism I need that answer as well 
meager knoll
me too, never used exsang before
valid dawn
exang confuses me as I struggle to understand when to use it after the opener
valid dawn
So do we want to attempt to get a full duration garrote AND rupture with exang straight after?
lone junco
G r g vendetta trinket mut rupture exsang.
fathom hull
Does rupture snapshot at all or is it okay to refresh it whenever the time is optimal
stone quartz
why double garrote ? doesnโt that fuck up he azeroth ss buff?
valid dawn
What about the trash pack rotation?
meager knoll
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
keen hound
when you vanish w/ subterfuge you can apply up to 3 garrotes.... they will all be ss empowered
lone junco
Easy 20k dps.
meager knoll
is it that strong? never tried CT before, sounds nice
lone junco
Ct is just a way to bulk cleave dps on the move. Garrote is doing 65% of the work.
potent forge
does anyone know the spell ID for the rupture debuff. Tying to make a nameplate filter that changes the color
elvui
void pecan
What are these sims on simcraft? Are we using exang for real?
noobe bless me with your wisdom
slender hare
Think a lot of us have went to exsang, to me it feels much better than TB
much more satisfying
lone junco
@void pecan need a specific question.
stone quartz
tb is kind of boring yeah but itโs impossible to fuck up
dapper moat
Any iniput about Galecallers Boon trinket?
void pecan
Are we using it instead of TB?
dapper moat
it seems to be quite high on list but its just so hard to utilize
void pecan
or is it
keen hound
if you sim better w/ it
stone quartz
if it aims higher than yeah
keen hound
it's very close right now for a lot of people
exsang is ~1% higher for me over tb
3x SS
stone quartz
for a 1 % difference i wouldnโt use it
main blaze
Exsang is just a 0.02% increase
slender hare
Itโs really great on m+ trash though
main blaze
for me
keen hound
it's a 1% difference on a 5min patch fight
meager knoll
CT seems really good on m+ trash.. but exsang, I don't see it
keen hound
but in m+ you get crazy dps on bosses that die much faster ๐
stone quartz
itโs more for the 1 minute boss fights
meager knoll
and maybe pvp?
stone quartz
yeah
meager knoll
I'm probably gonna go TB, because it's more convenient to use than exsang, and CT for M+ and PB for raid.
lone junco
@dapper moat bind it to vendetta and make sure you can use it for the vendetta vanish g g exsang.
keen hound
nobody is forcing anyone to use exsang, but yes, it does sim higher for some right now w/ the right gear
lone junco
Exsang is > in m+ with 3Ss. But you will see that when you run it.
stone quartz
itโs way more convenient to use tb but iโll switch to exsang if it becomes a 3% upgrade
for raid
meager knoll
yeah, I only have two SS sadly
lone junco
If you want numbers. Do a 1t 20 sec sim. And 1t 40s. No buffs. See what they pump out for prio adds
lone junco
The 3 garrotes handle small packs really well. But dumping 25k into one mob is nice.
stone quartz
when i can just activate bf
lone junco
Why bother.
I like outlaw. Just bte in sanguine. Bleh.
And dick fights for non elite trash tho. Amirite.
stone quartz
sin actually does more ape than outlaw but requires a lot more proper targeting and redotting each target
meager knoll
very annoying when the mobs die too quickly to feel the pain of our bleeds
lone junco
Lord of war makes quick work of irrelevant junk.
stone quartz
aoe *
potent forge
stupid question, but the rupture aura that you apply is a debuff right
lone junco
Don't need to re dot. Jus 3 garrotes and Ct. then jump in circles. At 25k
valid dawn
Anyone know of a good opener for packs when using exang/CT
meager knoll
after that noobe, do you spam fan and apply rupture to the targets? or fan and envenom?
alright
stone quartz
right but that shit is annoying for each pack
meager knoll
never envenom?
lone junco
Don't bug your fucking Ss and you'll be 20-25k. Each pack.
Env is fine when you don't use Ct.
Pretty sure the cutoff is 2 mobs env. 3 mobs for Ct. but not sure.
stone quartz
yeah donโt use env if you can ct 3+
keen hound
i mean
if it's going to die soon?
throw out some env
if rup isn't going to get to tick
lone junco
@jovial kite I saw your gear. Did you get a leather split run? All those sockets. And galecaller. And 3ss.
stone quartz
if it will survive rupture duration then rupture
valid dawn
@lone junco FOK means?
meager knoll
fan of knives
keen hound
fan of knives ]
lone junco
That's my que. I'm out.
keen hound
lol
stark token
The exsang apl works?
meager knoll
thanks for everything @lone junco
lone junco
That's pretty good.
valid dawn
so envenom is totally useless in packs of 3-4 with this bleed build
keen hound
@valid dawn Do some dungeons, test out different things. You will figure out really fast what works and what doesn't.
lone junco
Once your garrotes are up. And Ct is out and ruptures are tabbed. You can. Wait? Or refresh or env.
You only need 2cp rupture.
So that's part of why Pb is trash.
uncut solar
Guyz i dont like to play with exang and that is my dps, should i still play with toxic or must try exang for m+ or raid
bold steppe
Nah, toxic is fine
keen hound
Do what you want ๐คท
lone junco
Tb is fine. Just different damage profile.
bold steppe
You'll be screwed if you really need to dump a lot of damage in a short time but it's broadly competitive
uncut solar
@keen hound yeah i do but just wonder if is there big dps matter exist_
bold steppe
@lone junco you reckon CT is clearly > PB for M+?
keen hound
your sims will tell you that
bold steppe
Depends on the fight
meager knoll
I tried CT on dummies, it seems really crazy
keen hound
but for the most part, no there isn't a HUGE difference (as noobe says in the broad scope)
bold steppe
How come? I thought they simmed similar on AOE
lone junco
Think.
meager knoll
well, first of all, PB is random. CT is always there
keen hound
PB is just unreliable burst
lone junco
Pb drops on the ground. And cp related.
keen hound
that... doesn't nearly hit like it did in legion lol
lone junco
Ct. Can kite. And spam.
keen hound
pb also not so hot for sanguine week w/ constant moving
lone junco
If it were a 15 sec cd.
spice surge
In my experience PB is better when there is less targets (say 3-4) and CT when theres more targets
spice surge
/cast [talent:6/3] Exsanguinate; [talent:6/2] Toxic Blade
Just use a different button so your brain goes to the right spot ?
fresh ginkgo
ty!
chilly marsh
http://simulationcraft.org/reports/PR_Raid.html is updated with the nerfs ?
meager knoll
noobe, you mind showing your actionbars / keybinds? my shit feels so awkward and I don't know where to put everything
hazy iron
Why would someone elses keybinds feel better? Change your shit so it feels good
chrome cave
@chilly marsh yes
lone junco
I use naga. So buttons are way down the numbers.
exotic abyss
on m+ do u even ct on boss?
valid dawn
Anyone here use the elvui nameplates? trying to find a way to remove the poison debuff icons to remove clutter in packs.
chrome cave
I'm kinda confused about ass rotation with ensang after the opener when ensang comes back up. Do I just refresh garrote and rupture to max before ensanging again?
lone junco
Yes.
chrome cave
and what about being in combat and getting vendetta again what do you do then? Just vendetta and and ensang max duration dots?
lone junco
The 3rd or 4th exsang needs to align with vendetta vanish.
chrome cave
yeah I got that
bold steppe
You try to time refreshes s they line up with exsang
chrome cave
just don't understand the inbetweens
lone junco
Vendetta vanish is open and 2:20.
You get to exsang at 50 and either delay the 3rd exsang for the vanish. Or delay the vanish for yr 4th exang.
bright badger
Quick question, Sin the way to go for both pve and pvp rn?
keen hound
sin is always the way to go ๐ช
lone junco
It really is going to depend on boss kill time. If boss is dead at 2:30. You needed to have held 3rd exsang and vanish vendetta at 2:15.
Pvp ss is absurd tbh.
Just melts people in st.
And the 3t garrote Ct open. Is great.
meager knoll
shrouded suffocation, the trait
manic remnant
oh
bright badger
Ct open?
mint osprey
Crimson Tempest
keen hound
m+ trash
mint osprey
For trash packs
bright badger
Just came back to wow know fuck all these times lol
hushed pulsar
Does ct replace rupture maintenance in large packs or accentuate it?
mint osprey
Does not replace
hushed pulsar
gotcha, thanks
manic remnant
good opener for pvp?
hushed pulsar
cheap shot, garrote, mut rupture?
mint osprey
Depends on traits
keen hound
get bleeds up from stealth, rupture, vendetta, exsang and watch that hp bar disappear ๐
manic remnant
i have internal bleeding also
keen hound
๐ค does internal bleeding benefit from exsang?
lone junco
2T. Garrote step garrote cheap. Vendetta mut rupture exsang. Mut mut kidney
I use prey.
keen hound
but i suppose the 10% from prey outweighs the internal bleeding dot
lone junco
But yeah. Kidney bleed rips.
Just buff your SS
That's the only damage that matters.
That and FOK Ct spam in clusters. Lol
keen hound
so it's a matter of... is the KS bleed > 10% extra on buffed garrote and rup during exsang
and i doubt that
lone junco
Exang on prey is gonna be good. And also buffs 10% from helpers.
keen hound
yeah
manic remnant
5% from prey in pvp
keen hound
hmm
the 5% to exsanged gar/rup still probably more dmg than internal bleeding
especially a ss buffed garrote
delicate gull
what do you guys about about sin for m10+?
manic remnant
i deal 9.3k internal bleed
chilly marsh
@delicate gull not a sim but i did 14.890k in freehold +10
iron pewter
Donwe still clip for Ep buff? I dont see that in any guides anymore
manic remnant
for the 5% to deal that much that would be...... ALOT
keen hound
ss buffed garrote does do a lot
i'm sure it's close
but the idea of exsang on internal bleeding sounds fun lol
spice surge
๐
stone quartz
yeah that opened looks good
keen hound
makes my wimpy 40k look bad ๐ญ
pastel vault
link log? dang that's big
lone junco
Don't be an idiot like me and fuck up your alignment during vuln phase of mother.
manic remnant
u go kidney vanish garrot mark then exh and watch them melt ๐
lone junco
Or ghuun.
stone quartz
lol if you miss vuln phase itโs a rip
lone junco
24 sec for ghuun mythic vuln. Sub and sin are going to RIP
Outlaw can't store a 5b.
Symbol 4shd. Or vendetta vanish exang.
stone quartz
you can hold vanish if you still get the same vanish count per fight
stone quartz
lol outside of that youโre afk though
full delta
similar to sub
you burst
and chill
hav a beer
put it down
burst
pick it back up
stone quartz
outlaw you hit something every global
full delta
not deadshot anymore, LOL 20% nerf
stone quartz
probably still best aoe
full delta
idk deadshot does insane aoe
even if you dont roll it does close to 30k aoe
non crit
fleet anchor
"but the idea of exsang on internal bleeding sounds fun lol"
full delta
with prey?
fleet anchor
Exsang doesn't really accomplish anything on something like Internal Bleeding
Because you can't refresh Internal Bleeding when it runs out
muted quarry
ok guys, i just got my second SS. how does that change my rotation
full delta
it does not
fleet anchor
Because of the cooldown on Kidney Shot
keen hound
?
fleet anchor
Exsang doesn't really generate any extra damage on its own, it just lets you reapply a new DoT when you compress the duration
If you can't reapply a new DoT any faster, it accomplishes nothing
stone quartz
^
spice surge
OR if you have low-duration strong buffs
fleet anchor
Sure but Internal Bleeding would fit within any buff anyway so
spice surge
True
keen hound
would it not compress the duration in which the internal bleed dmg runs?
strange python
Exsang also gives you more Energy regen
stone quartz
yeah it may mean more dps though
keen hound
It does in that window in which it is running its course
spice surge
Unless the mob dies before
No
10k dmg over 5 seconds is the same as 10k over 10 seconds as long as the fight is 10+ seconds
stone quartz
no one arguing that
full delta
meaning more damage
nocturne cradle
Other than subterfuge affecting garrote do we snapshot at all?
full delta
since you can apply dots faster
spice surge
You cant apply internal bleeding faster
keen hound
it's not a matter of having something replace it to reapply that same dmg modifier
spice surge
It has a 20 sec cd
golden mulch
does garrote stack endlessly? like do i garr/rup/garr/vanish/garr/garr in an opener if i wanna burst? or when do i use the vanish ?
nocturne cradle
Dont vanish in the opener
full delta
you use it twice to get max duration
nocturne cradle
You vanish later on once your initial garrote runs out
golden mulch
ahh oky thaks for clarification
nocturne cradle
Assuming you are using subterfuge
full delta
dont u vanish at the end of the rotaion once garx2 falls off?
golden mulch
hm how can i burst harder then? more haste?
keen hound
The point is (for pvp burst windows) to get as much dmg in as possible in as short of a window as possible. reducing the time in which internal bleed dmg runs would accomplish that goal.
golden mulch
aight ty
muted quarry
having a hard time managing Garrote and rupture. Cant see the nameplates and the icons are 2 small. any recs for nameplates
main blaze
Use weakauras
arctic crow
Move enemy nameplate next to your character
meager knoll
I use weakaura and just tab between targets
muted quarry
w
meager knoll
unless there are very many enemies
muted quarry
thats what im talking about, when there are like 5 +. i cant see anything
rain breach
Do 3 garrotes don't care that you see all
meager knoll
ye pretty much cast tab cast tab etc
delicate gull
CT or PB in mythic10?
muted quarry
how long does raidbot take to update when you change gear normally
golden mulch
like on aoe do i apply like 3 garrotes and just spam FoK into CT?
brazen sky
What else would you do? :D
Hmm ๐ค
Depending on how long a certain/some mobs last. You could also rupt
Guess it depends on team comp, key level and affixes
muted quarry
Is raidbot membership worth it
full delta
**In aoe 3 gar from stealth rupture exsan fan rupture repeat till all mobs have rupture
hazy iron
Ct is not bad in aoe
full delta
go test it
hazy iron
Youre using it wrong
strange python
assa op
full delta
how am i using it wrong?
strange python
blizz will nerf it
hazy iron
The on hit for 3+ targets outweighs envenom
strange python
just like they nerfed us
hazy iron
You spam it for the on hit not the dot
full delta
when did i every say anything about envenom
muted quarry
anything look odd with my guy
hazy iron
It's an assumption because you said its bad when it most definitely is not bad lmao.
inland path
do you think the x3 garrote will get nerfed?
chrome cave
do you do 5cp ruptures when facing 3+ mobs?
full delta
i said it was bad in aoe
past harbor
So in multitarget situation, do you use rupture or you spam CT for the direct damage too?
hazy iron
Yes
full delta
if you want to prove me wrong go hit the 4 target dummies
hazy iron
On 3+ targets y oi u spam ct after everythin ing is rollling
full delta
and show me youre dps after 5 min
hazy iron
Mate already done it all, and it's backed by TC so go read up
dull lava
Since I'm planning on switching to sin in BFA but haven't touched sin this expac, are the appropriate talents (with trip stacked SS) Elaborate Planning, Subterfuge, Vigor, Exsanguinate, Poison Bomb?
royal lantern
poison bomb right now is crap and it deepens on your stats and azerite traits if you take exsanguinate over TB
pearl steppe
does anyone use marked for deatha t all
rain breach
Nope
pearl steppe
not even for PvE?
rain breach
No
pearl steppe
damn
rain breach
Cp isn't your problem as assa
muted quarry
man i cannot for the life of me increase my haste and decrease mastery
pearl steppe
it just seemed like a fun thing to do to chain into 5 combo points as long as things are dying
rain breach
Yeah to much mastery shit arround ;)
cinder yoke
world questing is the only time it's useful to run
rain breach
And WQ are braindead shit anyways
pearl steppe
so vigor just has no competition in that line pretty much
idk i guess i just wanted more buttons to press
rain breach
Go vigor ;)
dark crag
You guys played assa in m+? How does it feel?
dark crag
The garrote trait?
keen hound
yep
dark crag
The 10 hour run?
chrome cave
26 mins underrot
stone quartz
sin has best aoe but hardest to do
undone cairn
yeahhh
latent path
Excuse me, is it worth on single target to double garrote just to get full damage +30% pandemic duration?
hazy iron
Its not really hard, just dont overwrite your empowered garrotes
keen hound
@latent path g-r-g opener
and then g-g when you vanish
It's not hard to aoe, it just requires more effort ๐
shy breach
someboy use Azerite Power Weights ?
latent path
Is there a way to track empowered garrote without using custom codes?
dark crag
The bug still going?
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
pearl steppe
Oh okay
for the ppl saying GRG opener
wouldn't the second G overwrite the first?
or is that fine if you can pull it off before the 3s sub expires
spice surge
It extends the duration from 18 seconds to 24
keen hound
you are still stealthed for it
pearl steppe
kk
atomic creek
You can do 3 garrotes in Subterfuge, so plenty of time
dark crag
Supter is 3 secs
pearl steppe
GGG or GRGG? @atomic creek
spice surge
3 gcds
dark crag
Ggg or grg
chrome cave
if I have ensang coming up and my dots are at like 60% duration do I refresh to max before ensang?
lone junco
@dark token did your apl hold exsang until 1:00 when gale caller is ready. Then 2:20 for vendetta vanish exsang?
dark token
no
latent path
Excuse me for my bad english, i can't understand the SS thing. If i garrote on single target, without any SS traits, shall i refresh garrote BEFORE expiring? And shall i with any SS traits?
blazing tulip
Is it worth to run 3xSS or 2xSS+1LaserMatrix would be better?
terse pawn
is poisoned wire just a trash trait?
latent path
oh so the SS bug just make GRG and Vanish + GRG worth over a single garrote?
chrome cave
dunno wtf grg is xD
blazing tulip
garrote>rupture>garrote
chrome cave
ah
terse pawn
so single target opener is GRG so you have an extra 3 seconds on SS garrote?
spice surge
6 seconds (3 with exsang though)
keen hound
6 seconds
terse pawn
ah kk
keen hound
from 18 to 24
patent palm
i was checking sims randomly and sin with exsang is top?
keen hound
if that's what it tells you then yup ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
patent palm
strange, i wonder what happened since non exsang was simming higher
terse pawn
with exsang it's just GRG > Vendetta > Exang for the opener?
keen hound
bru that's 15 dps not 6 ๐
terse pawn
mfw
obsidian oriole
15, maths is hard yo
sour trout
does anyone here macro their galecaller's?
keen hound
but yeah for some it's really tight
sour trout
and if u do with what ability
keen hound
mine is 1% difference
obsidian oriole
0.1 ๐
terse pawn
probably because exsang is 45 sec while tb is 25
obsidian oriole
Yeah not too bad I guess
terse pawn
you just want to get in 2 envenoms after tb right?
pearl steppe
whats tb
sour trout
Does anyone macro their galecaller's boon??
terse pawn
toxic blade
blazing tulip
how many SS are we supposed to run 2 or 3? just got a piece with laser matrix and I am not sure if simc is considering it correctly
keen hound
simc is considering it correctly
calm barn
@sour trout yes, with vendetta
sour trout
is it not wasted with vendetta?
keen hound
why would it be wasted?
calm barn
?
sour trout
galcaller is 1 min cd and vendetta is 2 mins
keen hound
so.... hit it again after 1 minute?
calm barn
and I only need to hit vendetta again
keen hound
you can still hit the macro when vendetta is on cd
and it will activate the trinket
then the next time it's off cd it will line up perfectly w/ vendetta
sour trout
i c
calm barn
and vanish
sour trout
tahank you
calm barn
and dark iron racial
dawn merlin
do you guys fully refresh garr and rupt before exsang, regardless of how much time they have left?
calm barn
I do
full delta
with ct in aoe, do you build with fan or multi
calm barn
fan
valid dawn
Do we run an exang build for raids as well?
keen hound
calm barn
I do
pearl steppe
man
getting a gear upgrade and losing shrouded suffocation sucks
dont like the rng nature of the azerite traits
maybe it would be less of a big deal if more of the traits were actually worth it
terse hinge
pearl steppe
yeah
2 bonus CP off stealth garrote is a huge deal for the opener imo
it's so much smoother
cause you can also just open cheap shot garrote rupture
and then you have max rupture and bonus garrote ticking on them
onyx dew
any tips on not going insane on ghuun?
calm barn
insane?
onyx dew
My brain melts on that fight
Do I poison/bleed everything or just focus singular tentacles?
onyx dew
That's what I'm doing, but I don't feel like I'm doing enough effective damage to actually kill tentacles
calm barn
I focus on one, garrote and rupture while foking
then I move to other
and repeat
as long as you're kicking and stunning when available
you're contributing
onyx dew
Fair enough
indigo mulch
When should i actually use exsang?
Can i use it on CD no matter what or should i re-apply rupture/gar before using it?
lone junco
what?
I mean. if you dont have rupture or garrote up, it literally wont do anything
smoky prism
does it only apply to the current bleeds you have, like if you refresh either will they not bleed twice as fast?
indigo mulch
Let's say I have 12s left on rupture and 10s left on garrote. Should i reapply rupture/garrote or just use exsang?
void pecan
Ay yo @lone junco, when to use exang? You're the OG bleed lord
thorny pond
Use Exsang when rupture and garrote are at their highest duration remaining
indigo mulch
so i should hold it until i re-apply dots then?
lone junco
heres the thing. at midblock exsang, you would refresh garrote and rupture for max pandemic prior to exsang. mostly so you dont waste anything.
it is very important during the vanish vendetta to get that double garrote. and refresh rupture prior to exsang.
indigo mulch
O
lone junco
you can use exsang 1 or 2 times between vendettas.
but it pushes it off the end of this short fight sample.
onyx dew
Should use Exsang on CD unless it's within 10 seconds of Vendetta, and always have full duration bleeds
lone junco
something has to delay. either you use exang on cd, and delay your vendetta/vanish for 4th exsang. or you delay 3rd exsang for earlier vanish vendetta
if you have a 2min use trinket, align it with the vanish.
I want to see the galecaller apl (1min) with a delayed exang to 1min. so that every exang gets galecaller. and every other gets vendetta vanish.
they really made it awkward with a 45sec cd, and a 2min. but thats the name of the game.
indigo mulch
Okay so rule of thumb is line up trinkets with vanish and exang with vendetta
Or did i get that totally wrong?
calm barn
well you want everything available for your big damage window
so
on pull, full empowered exang (subterfuge garrote,vendetta, trinkets)
when first garrote is about to expire, vanish, double garrote, rupture
then normal rotation
you can see it in the img that noobe posted
indigo mulch
Yeah, i know how to do the opener, im just curious what i should do after the opener and the standard rotation came in.
Like when is the optimal time to use exsang etc.
indigo mulch
but what if the duration of the bleeds are only like 8s away?
should i still use exs?
calm barn
refresh
calm barn
always use ex on full duration
indigo mulch
Aiit.
indigo mulch
same way but you multi dot i suppose?
acoustic flame
yeah but how would you open
focus on 1 target until exsang and then dot the other
acoustic flame
Yeah but you won't have full garrote or rupture on exsang target then
But yeah it could be better to sacrifice to
in order to dot target faster
calm barn
better to get full 3x ss garrote than some seconds on a weak rupture
calm barn
well yes
vagrant tapir
Exsang or Toxic Blade?
vagrant tapir
I know simc is saying exsang is top, but tb build isnt listed
calm barn
but what it says for yourself is what it matters
sour trout
Jonbovi do u mind writing up a quick mock of what your opener looks like? I feel every site is different on gorr rupture times.
calm barn
1 target?
sour trout
Yea
calm barn
gar,rup,gar,mut,vend,ex
sour trout
Iโm switching sub to Ass and itโs pretty confusing to me since icy infectious and. Ravenholdt all have diff openers
calm barn
wait
acoustic flame
1 more rupture there i guess
calm barn
fprgot a rupture after vend
lone junco
@acoustic flame garrote tab garrote garrote rupture trinket vendetta exang.
should be fine
daring imp
someone posted an image with the openings with tb/exsang but i couldn't find where
acoustic flame
lone junco
then you can vanish reset at the 18 sec mark with another garrote tab garrote garrote
daring imp
yeah but i mean the breakdown more detailed part
easier to read/understand why and stuff
sour trout
If u find that plz DM!
daring imp
i remember it has "DAMAGE!" on the exsanguinate
spice surge
sour trout
Ty!
spice surge
I believe it does say "DAMAGE!!!"
acoustic flame
It does indeed say that
daring imp
yea mb those exclamation give way more depth to it
calm barn
I only needed to run sots 7 times to get one 355
lofty sand
just dropped one, but I already had it 350
daring imp
it is hard to pug it
'cuz people see the yellow small mobs
and "OMG SANGUINE WEEK LET'S KILL ALL OF THOSE"
boom everything full hp again ๐ข
full delta
aka mark the target for mongaloids
calm barn
yeah or kill the two guys on the bridge before tentacles
and then you got 2 pretty immortal tentacles
calm barn
not when % is needed
keen hound
you can get % w/o the bridge
calm barn
yeah with a decent group
keen hound
did it yesterday. between the eels and the last 3 mobs at the end we had just enough forces
daring imp
a pug i went today managed to take about 1h to finish a +3
tank overpulling everything and nobody doing damage รง_รง
calm barn
that was my exact experience on my last +5 today
here i got the trinket
dh tank jumping everywhere overpulling
a dh dps eye beaming every blob he could see
keen hound
gotta have big numbers yo
daring imp
well i was glad we didn't have sanguine on that special key
sour trout
A rogue in my group last night got an 380 gale from m0
daring imp
wtf
sour trout
My guildie got a 375 docket from +3
calm barn
wiped 4 times on the last boss because, when the boss phases he couldn stay on the nearest octopus with me, he needed to charge away across the entire room to the other octopus every time
sour trout
I got a 355 today. +5
paper bough
Whatโs the meta spec for rogues now as we get more gear in uldir should I expect those 385 sims to change more or are we done now that weโve gone full turn from sub to outlaw to ass
calm barn
with titanforging
no meta I'd say
different specs for different encounters and tastes
daring imp
if i ever get that 2min crit* trinket i'll be sure as hell using it
well a tf one of course
calm barn
have one 345
lone junco
Play the GC. Just make sure to hit that prior to exsang. Not after.
undone cairn
how do i make exs sim higher ๐ฆ
calm barn
3x ss
undone cairn
i do have 3x ss
slender hare
Haste
calm barn
well sim then and get your weights
slender hare
Exs loves haste even more
undone cairn
alright will do
keen hound
mastery > crit for me now (though haste still way out front)
calm barn
well yeah im only getting upgrades without haste so..
calm barn
under 13% rn
keen hound
I think i'm right above 14%
tight hinge
with allt he nerfs is assassination going to pull ahead in raids?
fringe zodiac
Should I stack SS 3 times or is there a limit
lone junco
full delta
@lone junco i love how that image keeps gettting posted
surreal solar
Anyone else feel like uldir is bad for rogues gear wise?
full delta
most of the best shit is from ulderp
surreal solar
the trinkets sim lower than even fathoms, almost none of the gear has haste
fringe zodiac
Nah I mean the azerite trait not rotation
Should I get 3 pieces with SS or are there better options
hoary totem
3x SS is currently the highest output
primal lance
Can someone explain how to get my quest tracker to show back up? Not sure where it went. I use elvui
fringe zodiac
Thanks menz
barren forge
!wa
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barren forge
@primal lance try a reload or the anchor option
primal lance
Iโve reloaded a few times already. Whatโs an anchor option
gilded mirage
Question about simming: When simming Laser Matrix, is Raidbots calculating the Uldir buff as well or just the actual LM piece? I ask because I'm simming higher with 1xLM, 1xSS vs 2xSS which doesn't seem to line up with what I expected after looking at the charts.
lone junco
I was using 2SS 1Fok. with the fok pvp talent and CT. it seemed really good in large packs, but exang ss was amazing on ST.
gl
frank shard
Is Construct Overcharger supposed to be good for sin? I'm simming way less with it equiped
simple acorn
hey guys what is better elaborate planning or master poisoner?
lone junco
@simple acorn
SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE
delicate gull
man just did underrot 11 as sin, kept up with our aff lock the whole time on ST
i think garrote was 60% of my damage, i feel like blizz is gonna add it to the hotfixes on tuesday monkaS
lone junco
as long as you dont bug the garrotes, it does really well.
fleet anchor
Without changing the design, I'm not really sure what else they can do about it tbh. Not like Assassination has many abilities
Whatever trait ends up being good is going to skew things quite a lot
lone junco
If i were to bet 1$, I expect DR for stacking damage traits across the board.
fleet anchor
Not totally sure what that would accomplish.. I mean the damage is gonna pop up somewhere
Could try to nerf SS down to around the same level as Double Dose to give more options but that's probably as far as it will go
I think Garrote being 60% of damage would have to be like.. a really short fight though
I was averaging around 30% Garrote damage on whole dungeons
arctic walrus
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fleet anchor
And plenty of classes have abilities that do 30% of their damage
The issue with SS is that it has to pack an "average" value within a very small window of time, which can contextually make it kinda silly looking
But would require a complete redesign to work around that considering Stealth only happens every 2 minutes on a sustained fight
Could potentially keep the "theme" if you made it basically debuff a target for some longer period to make them take extra Garrote damage. (If you Garrote them from stealth) That way, you could stretch the damage out longer than 1 garrote DoT duration
lone junco
I really like 3 SS. but I think blizzard will rather take a blanket approach to the traits. cause there are too many knobs to tune.
but i may be wrong.
fleet anchor
Well it depends on what "problem" one is trying to solve
lone junco
enhance traits are embarrasing. Stormstrike and Lavalash are both dumpster. like 3-4% with 3x
fleet anchor
I don't really think anyone is concerned that it makes Garrote to X% of someone's damage on a boss fight
I think it is overtuned compared to other traits though
But a nerf to bring it in line with the other traits won't really change the first issue much
lone junco
can you adjust the SS apl in cleave to pump out all 3 garrotes? it is still doing g g r in 3T
I saw a CP deficit >=1
that 3rd garrote is pretty large in M+ pulls.