#assassination

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lusty schooner
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Does anyone like using CT

vale bay
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is there certain times your ment to use exsang?

smoky wind
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What would be the best wep enchants for sin? swapping from outlaw and ravenholdt doesn't say

fading cipher
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dumb question, but do i need two daggers to use mutilate or will one dagger mh work?

rich olive
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@autumn bloom Do you just spam CT then instead of applying rupture? at 3+ targets.

vapid oracle
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2 daggers

autumn bloom
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No you just maintain it

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You want ruptures out as well bc of the energy return

quick ore
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should I refresh my bleeds when they are "buffed" by exsanguinate?

mighty island
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no

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absolutely not, let them expire. exsang speeds up the remaining timer, if you refresh, you waste the remaining duration that's doubled

wary anchor
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is assas simming higher than sub after the nerf?

mighty island
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you can refresh like 1 tick and it's not a huge deal but you haaaave to let them run. it's why i dont like exsang anymore, it's really finnicky, and mechanics can interrupt your bursts

quick ore
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alright ty masao

vale bay
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are we always using exsang with vendetta or off CD?

strange python
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They line

quick ore
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I just like exang in m+

strange python
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At 2:20 ish

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Well TB is flat out useless in m+

mighty island
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you dont usually want to save vendetta unless there's a really good reason to

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e.g. 5 seconds on another offensive cd, or knowing you wont be able to stay on target

stray fox
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Isn’t the energy gain from vend worth it? Or no?

strange python
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What does that mean

lofty sand
stray fox
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You gain energy regardless of target being hit right?

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So I.e mythic+ trash probably worth off cd? Or is the damage tradeoff better?

mighty island
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Energy gain from vendetta really just means you have to spend some before you cast it. helps with burst but 50 energy isnt the hugest deal in the world

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you should use vendetta on trash as long as it's >2mins from boss but i personally dont. itll yield you like 5-10k extra damage total, usually. eh.

coral cosmos
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Hmm seeing something really funky with SS/subterfuge and garrotes

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streaming at the moment at target dummy

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so ANY garrote out of subterfuge time window negates all other buff on previous ones

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not just the third garrote

mighty island
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yeah, that's normal

coral cosmos
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ah thats annoying

mighty island
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any empowered dot will be overridden by an unempowered one. same with nightstalker + rupture or garrote

coral cosmos
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so quickly tab target three garrotes if possible?

mighty island
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yes

coral cosmos
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got it

mighty island
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then use the 4th non-subterfuge garrote too, if theres a 4th target

dense cedar
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!ss

prisma monolithBOT
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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

lofty sand
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dont ever use a non empowered garrote if you have empowered garrotes going

winter gale
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Do just 3

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And thats it

mighty island
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honestly the damage bonus is so small anyway...

delicate root
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lol

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It's not small, it's HUGE

lofty sand
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what

ancient notch
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Sin the only rogue spec not getting nerfed 😄 we made it boys

vapid oracle
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in what world is the damage bonus small

winter gale
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U can use that time to put rupture on targets

violet sonnet
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oawekgiojkiodfjgaioperjgr

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so small anyway

winter gale
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And go for ct

mighty island
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isnt it like 1k extra on the garrote? last i checked, anyway

winter gale
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Atleast I feel like it should be like that

delicate root
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It literally doubles your damage on trash packs

violet sonnet
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if you three stack SS its almost 1.5k

autumn bloom
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Yeah SS turns garrote into your highest damage ability by FAR

vapid oracle
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thats 4.5k more damage on 3 targets

winter gale
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I just go 3 garrotes,2 ruptures and then build for CT

mighty island
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yeah, 1.5k total damage is really not that big of a deal. garrote is already my top damage just opening with subterfuge

winter gale
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Is that way ok?

autumn bloom
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Like by an amount that is literally unreasonable

crimson swift
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is the sub 80% applied to the ss dmg as well?

autumn bloom
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Its more like 1.5k damage per tick

delicate root
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Yes

autumn bloom
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Yes

crimson swift
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so its not 1.5k its more around 2.5

mighty island
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holy fuck it's PER TICK and not on the whole dot?

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that makes a lot more sense.

lofty sand
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wew lad

dense cedar
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😓

lusty schooner
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Yikes

winter gale
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3 garrotes,2 ruptures and then build for CT with FoK...am I doing it right?

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😂

autumn bloom
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That's one way

lofty sand
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imagine the amount of people you would bait into fucking up their damage with that bomb

autumn bloom
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I prefer to get the CT out first

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With the cp from the garrotes

violet sonnet
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How much haste yall got rn? i'm sitting at 18.5%

winter gale
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Oh

grim wolf
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any1 able to take a look at a log of mine and give me some constructive criticism?

winter gale
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More reasonable

autumn bloom
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And then do lower cp ruptures

crimson swift
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just checked on a dummy, switching out one ss trait is 1.5k less per tick

winter gale
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Yes

autumn bloom
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To get my energy faster

winter gale
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Since most likely it wont be needed

violet sonnet
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I like how exsang works

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it speeds up everything a lil more

delicate root
violet sonnet
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Makes me a happy boi

delicate root
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Exsang was great in EN and I'm so glad it's back

violet sonnet
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i was warrior for EN cause my guild got mad they recruited too many rogues

vale bay
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im just a little confused when i should be using exsang

delicate root
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When the guide tells you to ;)

violet sonnet
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I use it right when i get my empowered rupture and garrote are on the target.

delicate root
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It's pretty straight forward

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Use it on cd, refresh bleeds beforehand

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Sync other abilities when you can

vale bay
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ah ok

delicate root
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Vanish, vendetta etc

vale bay
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wasnt sure if saving for empored bleeds or not

delicate root
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Too short cd to save like that

lone junco
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@mighty island lol empowered Vendetta garrote ticks crit for 20k each.

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ss is the god of 3T pulls.

delicate root
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Should sync up naturally at some point

vale bay
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alright thanks nap!

worn mango
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toxic blade or exang?

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for single target

lone junco
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Vendetta vanish will not align at 2mins, if you use on cd. you need to delay your vendetta to the 220 mark to tie exsang vendetta vansish together.

delicate root
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👍

violet sonnet
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ehh

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exsang i'd say.

crimson swift
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which will then also sync up with your exsang if you use it on cd

violet sonnet
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the rapid ticks of your empowered bleeds is insane.

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atleast with 3 ss

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ik everyone doesnt have that so take whatever someone says into your own account

grim wolf
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is it worth it to delay ur Vendetta to make it line up for that 220 mark?

lone junco
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you need to delay your vendetta to the 220 mark to tie exsang vendetta vansish together.

rough yarrow
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ppl use exsang in dungeons?

arctic crow
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Is the raveholdt guide up to date. Sim says exsang build, but site has that for aoe only

lone junco
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it is in the apl.

wary anchor
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hows assas comparing to sub now? equal or still slightly worse?

prisma pond
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way worse, you should play sub

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were full

lone junco
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30k users. we about to burst.

wary anchor
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got bored of sub, used to enjoy playing assas in legion but I wana play whats best

violet sonnet
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no more assassination rogues allowed

prisma pond
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seriously though, were pretty close

violet sonnet
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yeah

lone junco
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get 3SS then come back.

prisma pond
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qafter the nerfs the 3 specs are going to be nearly identical I think

lone junco
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before that play sub

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or outlaw

wary anchor
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I have 3 ss

violet sonnet
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welcome!

lone junco
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then play away. just dont bug your garrote.

violet sonnet
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enjoy your stay.

arctic crow
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same

violet sonnet
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dont apply too many garrotes or you fuck your damage

arctic crow
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why not ?

violet sonnet
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!ss

prisma monolithBOT
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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

arctic crow
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losing cp?

hasty grove
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I loved assassination during legion but I hated falling behind without any poison bomb procs. is that still an annoying part of sin? or have they fixed that at all

wary anchor
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mainly trying to raid tho

lone junco
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garrote in subterfuge with SS crits for 20k. if you apply out of stealth on any mob, it crits for 4k.

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dont do that.

tough whale
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Its a bug yeah

lone junco
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but it bugs all prior applications.

tough whale
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@hasty grove poison bombs are barely a dps factor compared to where they were in Legion

lone junco
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aka its a bug

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zero PB in 5man content.

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use CT

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or go play another spec. :zing:

tough whale
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5man is where you let your inner DonkaS shine :^)

hasty grove
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@tough whale cool. guess im switching as soon as I get another dagger then.

tough whale
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@hasty grove Dont forget PvP can give you a nice 340/345 for hitting conq cap!

hasty grove
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im like 50 off, so that's good to know.

violet sonnet
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if only i knew how to pvp

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feelsbadman

grim mason
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how man arenas to hit that cap and or random bg?

violet sonnet
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arenas only give 15 each

hazy forge
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am i missing something here boys

violet sonnet
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bg's give 50

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40*

hazy forge
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3 garrote trait same as 2 garrote trait for dps

violet sonnet
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so take that as you will

stable coyote
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@lone junco if i got 2ss and 355head with laser matrix, i shouldnt go assasin?

arctic crow
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sim it

lone junco
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I was kidding man. play what works for you. 3SS is very very good in M+

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that is what Im concerned about at this point.

stable coyote
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I have but im curious what he means since assa pulls ahead of my 3xDS as outlaw

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In sims.

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But i do very better practically as outlaw atm. But cant wait for nerfbat to hit without exploring other specs

lone junco
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nerf hit outlaw DS grats.

stable coyote
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Yah i know. Hence me being here and relearning assasin

lone junco
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my mog broke. not too excited about it.

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that is legit 3 different sets.

crimson swift
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pretty hot

flint swift
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how's assassination feeling right now in terms of fluidity?

lone junco
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5man nice. raid feels like shit.

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tbh.

grim mason
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5m and M+ is where its at for me

chrome crest
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does exsang work? feels like it just reduces dot duration and nothing else

arctic crow
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Better than outlaw in dungeons??

flint swift
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i'm souring on outlaw a bit (last 2 raid bosses i rolled no joke 24 true barings and buried treasures in a row) and decided to try something else

grim mason
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dunno ive never seen other specs

flint swift
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what makes it feel crappy in raids? too many boss transitions for the DoT playstyle to ramp up damage?

lone junco
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THIS IS WHY SIN WILL DO WELL IN RAIDS>

grim mason
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im usual;y theonly rogue

lone junco
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this is the uptime requirement.

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2min intervals.

grim mason
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even tho at 344 I get delined for M+2-5 lol no rogue love

lone junco
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w/e just hang in there. rogue will mop the floors with keys.

arctic crow
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as what spec tho

lone junco
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Seli is dumpstering 10s as SS sin.

grim mason
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yeah I had a group a geared with but the tank that we funneled gear to (DH) just decided to reroll bear tank

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Sin

lone junco
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once we start pulling packs of 8-15 elites, there are other classes. but the packs of 2-4 are gold.

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the only thing we need for 20k aoe cleave 3T is stealth.

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zero cd required.

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did you press garrote 3 times?

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hooray

arctic crow
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thats a 2 min cd

lone junco
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it is not.

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stealth and tab garrotes.

arctic crow
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oh right

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every pack

grim mason
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@lone junco you got your daggers?

lone junco
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I got one.

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offhand doesnt matter

grim mason
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i need another rogue to farm Tol'dagor M+

lone junco
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the aoe weights for Sin are 29 pts to main hand wep. 0.9 pts to offhand wep.

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or something

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I tried SS garrote open with 2.6 btw.

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unfortunately it hits the same.

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you could go through a whole pack with Garrote fok rupture fok CT

hasty grove
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exsang + CT seems legit, I just really never want to use PB -.-

grim mason
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hmm i see

lone junco
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and never do a mutilate.

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but they balanced the damage at dps. not damage numbers.

autumn bloom
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CT is so good

grim mason
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if you dont do mut what are you doing?

lone junco
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it didnt improve anything. but in trash, i would gladly fok

grim mason
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Fok ct Enven?

crimson swift
lone junco
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i use a lower ilvl ss hat.

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but it is better in cleave

crimson swift
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alrighty then

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of to freehold

abstract atlas
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whats the main trait to stack as sin in pvp ?

lone junco
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nvm. azerite

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derp

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m0 i guess.

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SS is fine in pvp.

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I had 2 ss 1 fok.

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with the fok pvp talent. and CT

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Fok CT FOK CT in bulk player trash.

mortal warren
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exsanguinate or toxic blade for m+?

lone junco
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with SS exsang is the prio tool of choice tbh.

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without ss. just play what make you feeel better

mortal warren
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Only got 2 SS atm 😦

lone junco
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get some exsang practice then. youll have the ss soon enough.

mortal warren
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ty

lone junco
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if anyone wants to learn the SS rotation, this is the textbook.

crimson swift
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is this humblebragging, or already straight up bragging?

lone junco
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not mine.

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just textbook open and midblock vanish.

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🔬

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its log season bois

crimson swift
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ah ok, thoughts that was your log, mb^^

lone junco
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the 3 garrote 3 heed + galecaller

fervent beacon
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Shit for ST tho

lone junco
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private logs, but thats about as good as it gets.

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we'll see i guess.

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thats a lot of fucking sockets already.

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they prob ran 30 leather split.

fervent beacon
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@gusty kestrel you're right, arms are OP in arena monkaS

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wait why t f did i tag you in here

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Need more coffee

arctic crow
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Think I found him on armory, using 3 sharpened blades

solid phoenix
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Do u use Exsanguinate off cd?

lone junco
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depends.

solid phoenix
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well, after u reapply garrote and rupture

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or are u just saving it for vanish/vend

jolly notch
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whose gear is that?

slate jacinth
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why do we FoK on 3+ targets as a combo builder?

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when it still only gives 1 cp

jolly notch
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is that the assassination rogue that was playing with jdotb?

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@slate jacinth i believe its because the crits will give more combo points and because damages

mellow pier
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ive been doing them all morning

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its pretty strong

onyx falcon
lone junco
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here is the poop. @solid phoenix

If you use exsang #3 when it is ready, you need to delay vendetta vanish.
If delaying vendett vanish would be after boss death. then dont do that.

So you delay something. It is either the 3rd exang. delay to vanish. or the vendtta vanish to 4th exsang.

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you will likely need to use a TTD tracker to decide that. or we will probably just do it like this.

rich olive
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Do you reapply garrote after the buffed Subterfuge one runs out? Is it worth the global? on an AoE situation.

lone junco
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if aligning cds is too much work, then just play outlaw snake, and mash 1 1 1 1 1 4 1 1 1 1 1 4 1 1 1 1 1 4

lofty sand
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based noobe with the info no one else wants to explain

strange python
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so

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our best trinket is from shrine right?

lone junco
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Tattoo that on your hand

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or something until they nerf it

fervent beacon
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sry dick got caught in ceiling fan

lone junco
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that is an audible

strange python
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nerf what?

fervent beacon
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But I'm assuming double garrote after vanish would be for pand timer, right?

lone junco
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if you cant read that chart, and decide what is the overpowered tool in the kit, you probably need more time on assassin before I can help

strange python
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@lone junco is that ur rotation?

lone junco
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@fervent beacon thats when the exsang runs out

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it is 18 pushed to 23, cut in half with exsang.

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ish

undone cairn
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Empowered garrote op op

strange python
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so exsang is better?

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than toxic blade

lone junco
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but the gg after vanish is for the full pandemic 23sec

strange python
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so exsang is better than toxic blade ?

arctic crow
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if u have the traits

strange python
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I have 2 out of 3

arctic crow
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sim yo self

lone junco
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then maybe

strange python
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maybe not

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in that case

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i have overpowered in shoulderslot

halcyon glacier
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then sim it

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the answer to all questions

lone junco
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i dont care what you have. exsang and tb are similar on paper, but in 3ss conditions, the priority burst is in these large peaks.

strange python
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nice

lone junco
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we have 30,000 rogues all asking the same questions. the answer is still simself

strange python
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im casual i dont know how

lone junco
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this is what Exsang looks like. in peaks.

strange python
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about the trinket

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from shrine of the storm

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its the best yes?

lone junco
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this is the TB profile.

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it is just different.

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solid vanish at the end, because the guy has 3SS as well.

smoky prism
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with exang, mastery is better than crit for me, does that sound about right?

urban storm
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why am i getting "this report used a low setting for iterations" when im literally using the max available without paying for it? lol

delicate root
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Raidbots saves resources by reducing iterations when it's not worth it anymore

lone junco
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100k will get you more.

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but they all cut off at 0.05% accuracy

urban storm
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i am on 100k

lone junco
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zero added value beyond that

stark ridge
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wondering why that guy is running 3x sharpened blades. perhaps it just stacks super faster with 3x?

lone junco
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@smoky prism probably just your crit use trinket aligning with vendetta vanish.

proven ice
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
lone junco
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thats a lot of haste btw @smoky prism

delicate root
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Cos sharpened blades hasn't been nerfed yet

smoky prism
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@lone junco too much? should i ease off it?

dusky rose
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whats the opener in an aoe pack?

lone junco
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@smoky prism it looks good tbh. just follow your weights for Single and aoe. in aoe youll need more crit for cps from fok to feed CT.

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@dusky rose g g g ct fok fok rupture fok fok rupture .. . wait 18 sec for the garrotes to fall off before reapplying any more.

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g g g ct vanish into g g g if it is a major pull with 6 elites.

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but that is subject to your priority.

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vendetta and exang will vary around prio targets in pulls tho

nimble tartan
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ty noobe appreciate the exsang breakdown with 3rd and 4th exsang and timers 😃

lone junco
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yeah. it was bugging me

nimble tartan
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i learn something new everyday 😃

lone junco
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i knew the apl was wrong.

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it took a while to get it lined out.

dusky rose
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@lone junco so i would be using ct as my finisher?

autumn bloom
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Thx noobe :)

lone junco
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I should be working. tbh

autumn bloom
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Wooo that's the opener I've been telling people !

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I feel so validated

lone junco
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the real validation is watching a vendetta exang target fucking MELT in ST.

lofty sand
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I wonder how many more of these questions can you answer before flipping your shit noobe

tough whale
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this is his spotlight

autumn bloom
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It's nice when ppl wanna learn your build/spec

lone junco
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like ok you opened then tab to the prio and vanish g g r exang.

balmy condor
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hey guys new sin rogue here, how do we open in aoe :-)

lone junco
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pretty sure the opener is almost 800k dmg.

balmy condor
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its a meme

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breathe

autumn bloom
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Pinn it

tough whale
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You dont meme here 😠

autumn bloom
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Pls?

lone junco
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ill help with pins after tue.

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just need to make sure that the SS balance is done before i bother.

tough whale
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and pray they dont touch ss 😛

lone junco
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during the NS DP PK i was getting like 20dm a day.

autumn bloom
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Think NS would be a thing again?

lofty sand
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oh you think we're not out of the guillotine yet noobe?

lone junco
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eeek. I would have to start linking my paypal.

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it looks good tbh.

balmy condor
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pin something
people dont read pins
tell people to read pins
people mad that you told them to read pins
people unaware of pins don't know how to play class
"maybe we should pin something"
repeat

lone junco
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I like that it is not the top simming 5min pw.

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makes for niche use like real boss encounters with weird timings.

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remember when Kingoroth aligned with all 3 of the windwalker major cds

delicate root
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Fuckin WW...

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just about managed to compete with ours on that fight

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And now the guy has rerolled rogue LUL

lone junco
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this vectis timing looks perfect.

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Open 2:30 4:30

lofty sand
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can we intead of having the ravenholdt guide as titlehave abig ass READ THE PINS then in the pins we add the guide?

grim mason
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Finaly boys! 345 Dagger from tol'

lone junco
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nice

grim mason
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8 runs

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8 more I guess for another one

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I am obsesive and wont stoll till i have two 😦

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stop*

delicate root
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@lone junco is that with NS on Vectis?

lone junco
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nah. thats just 3ss Subterfuge.

delicate root
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OK cool

lone junco
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the timings are vanish based.

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so vendetta vanish exang all 3 boss appearance

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not sure if the fight speeds up based on kill times. or fixed timer

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if it stays there, we good. if it speeds up we're fucked.

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worst would be like 0 1:30 3:15.

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@nimble tartan we will have to see more logs, but my guess is that eliminating the 1:30 exsang for the 215 alignment will be best for any fights under 3mins. they worked through it in TC, and i think it stops aligning after that 230. and Exang on cd. due to fight length vairance.

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@mellow pier ^

mellow pier
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ty

grim mason
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@lone junco haste enchant on main hand?

lone junco
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I feeel that the base garrote and rupture exang are so insignificant, that delaying the vendetta vanish off the end of the fight in any condition is the loss.

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@grim mason I dunno. i did crit and haste. just use your simmer

grim mason
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doing just that as we speak

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figured id ask

lone junco
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I spec for M+ and ST at the same time tbh.

mellow pier
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i don't have 3 ss

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but i sim pretty high without

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@lone junco no CT exsang for m+?

lone junco
#

2x + the crit ball or 2x plus twist.

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I do CT exang. for m+. exang Pb for raid.

mellow pier
#

ya

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my azerites are poop

lone junco
#

g g g ct is a SOLID open.

mellow pier
#

matrix, wire, ss

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lol

lone junco
#

I only got one BITS. so yeah.

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have a second one at 285

mellow pier
#

i had 2 bits/1inev

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i just dumpeed it

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i went from 15.5k sub to like 14.4k

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so my assassin sims 14.1k why not swap lol

lone junco
#

the thing im most happy about, = = = that i can stop respeccing my azerite, and just embrase the SS

nimble tartan
#

exsang make brain hurt

lone junco
#

let that cost sink back to 500g.

mellow pier
#

exsang is less work than tb

lone junco
mellow pier
#

tbh

nimble tartan
#

i actually have 3 ss im stoked..

lone junco
#

Ok OMR>

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play it as if exang were 1min.

past harbor
#

How do you use exansiguate in m+?

mellow pier
#

garrotee a bunch of shit, CT exsang

#

pogchamp

lone junco
#

1 at open. 1 mid 1 at vanish.

mellow pier
#

my sims say NS looks better for m+ but idk

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lol

lone junco
#

any M+ with SS, dont bug the garrote and use CT.

nimble tartan
#

ye i think i have a pretty good idea on how to actually play it

magic zenith
#

stack SSx3?

nimble tartan
#

i guess its just boss specifics timings id need to learn mostly

lone junco
#

Sims dont use the 3rd garrote (or they didnt for a while)

deep solstice
#

Does the CP boost on shrouded suffocation not stack? only getting 3 CP with 2 stacks.

nimble tartan
#

but mythic pulls will give me that time

lone junco
#

no cp boost. just damage

deep solstice
#

gotcha

lone junco
#

@nimble tartan gonna set some golds. I know it. just get the gale callers and bind it to your vendetta.

mellow pier
#

@nimble tartan atleast we wont lose huge dmg fucking up our rotation now

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lol

lone junco
#

you will if you do what i did.

#

let me find it.

nimble tartan
#

honestly sub is fuckin easy as hell

mellow pier
#

yeah but like

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say on taloc, u get blood on ur opener

lone junco
#

looks good here. right.

mellow pier
#

thats a feelsbadman

lone junco
#

but check this

cinder palm
#

hey guys what is your opener with exsang and SS?

mellow pier
#

or middle of sod u get a run away mechanic

#

its really awful

#

lol

nimble tartan
#

i think for me sub is easier because the right answer on what to do is always pretty easy to figure out? since we have no like real cds that matter u feel me...

mellow pier
#

ya i guess

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i just have sin imprinted on my brain

#

forever basically cause legion

lone junco
nimble tartan
#

i actually only played sub in legion basically

lone junco
#

this is the worst.

nimble tartan
#

in prog 2

mellow pier
#

i did in en/tov

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kms

nimble tartan
#

minus like argus but legion sin was just easier

lone junco
#

I vendetta vanish, and the GCD locked my vanish. it never went off. so i exsang . . . . . . then had to vanish garrote after.

mellow pier
#

tos too until nlc

#

@nimble tartan on elisande?

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lul

nimble tartan
#

i started raiding in legion on star auger

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mythic

#

legit i went from heroic casual to getting picked up on m auger prog

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as outlaw LMAO

lone junco
#

was the vuln phase of mother. made me 🤦

mellow pier
#

@lone junco sin on fetid

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2nd vanish

undone cairn
#

do you guys use 2 minute timer to sim for m+?

lone junco
#

i dont.

dull lava
#

Does exsang sim higher than reg sin with 3 stack SS in raiding?

mellow pier
#

it sims higher with 1 SS for me

lone junco
#

for M+ i do 6T 40s. (no buff) and 1T 2min. both patchwerk.

mellow pier
inland path
#

asssassination is insane atm with 3 garrote traits

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rofl

mellow pier
#

its funny they nerfed the other 2

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and 1 skates by

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lol

strange python
#

well , not as op as the others

mellow pier
#

i beg to differ

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but ok

lone junco
#

it is hard to use in boss cleave

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for raid numbers

mellow pier
#

thing is

#

none of the cleave in this raid ACTUALLY matters

lone junco
#

and in 5man people were probably bugging it on average.

mellow pier
#

only thing that matters is ST damage

night prawn
#

hi there i'm playing witth crimson tempest shoud i use this talent on ST too ? (3 dot garrote rupture ct exsg) ?

lone junco
#

thats a good way to look at sin rogue anyway

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@night prawn CT is for cleave. PB for ST.

inland path
#

its way more broken than sub and outlaws one

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xD

night prawn
#

i know

#

but i'm talking about m+

inland path
#

i jsut did 28k dps on first boss in temple on a 9 key

night prawn
#

and i play ct

strange python
#

do not press CT in st

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at all

lone junco
#

ah. in M+ when you play ct, should you set it up prior to the exang

strange python
#

oooo

inland path
#

i dont even paly ct in keys

#

its trash

lone junco
#

I dunno. I want to press it. but not sure tbh.

#

ct is good for the bulk pulls. dont listen to him.

inland path
#

its rly shit

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if u think it is

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link me ur raider io

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so i can see ur keys pls

strange python
#

l m a o

lone junco
#

seli says use ct. we use ct

inland path
#

inc +2 keys

austere kettle
#

do the dmg increase in "Shrouded Suffocation" work in only stealth or always??

lone junco
#

inc

hasty grove
#

brotha link your R.io so we can gaze upon glory

strange python
#

my dude aske noobe to link io

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l m a o

lone junco
#

my io is shit.

hasty grove
#

@inland path link yours pz

lone junco
#

im a bad player. but a phd of logs.

night prawn
#

so ct in m+ isnt good ? i did lot of dmg on trash with this talent

mellow pier
#

CT is good

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in m+

#

ive been running 5 keys all day

#

12-13k overall in most and i wasnt running exsang

lone junco
#

tbh, I dont care what you use. If you hate CT> then grats. play sub or something.

austere kettle
#

do the dmg increase in "Shrouded Suffocation" work in only stealth or always??

lone junco
#

exsang is purely the prio rip. on important targets. Like the stone golems in Dino land.

strange python
lone junco
#

+2 keys inc inc. tbh.

strange python
#

I love exsang

lone junco
#

its awkward due to timing.

strange python
#

why?

lone junco
#

it is AMAZING for the first 22 sec.

#

but around the 1:45 mark shits getting wonky

strange python
#

still best

lone junco
#

group comp matters for CT.

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if your trash is getting dumpstered by a warrior, then no CT isnt gonna work out.

#

neither is assassin.

#

and you need crit to get the cps. you cant fok into bulk trash and get 1-2cps and expect CT to dance.

lyric knoll
#

is the only SS shoulders 300 ilvl or lower?

lone junco
#

I have 340, from a box.

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gonk something

lyric knoll
#

Whats it called?

lone junco
#

was from azerite

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emmisary

rich olive
#

I got 340, gold-tasseled Epaulets.

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Although im using 300 helm

sullen robin
#

Freehold shoulders

lyric knoll
#

ahhh yes from Harlan

#

ok ok ty

sullen robin
#

Np

rich olive
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
chilly obsidian
#

You can get from emissary. I'm pretty sure I got them from drustvar emissary yesterday

strange python
#

i had to get SS shoulders from world quest, ilvl 325 called Shadraspawn Shoulderpads

cinder lotus
#

emissary gave me sharp blades /

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😦

sullen robin
#

You can get azerite shoulders for SS from freehold

strange python
#

nice okay, nee freehold anyways to swap dead-eye for dice

velvet magnet
#

@lone junco good or bad?

lone junco
#

i expect PB to be in the 3% range.

#

if stuff stood still

#

play what feels good for now. just adapt to the SS opener. rest is gravy

#

CT feels good for me. because of movement.

chilly obsidian
#

My 340 ss shoulders beat the 370 gilded from world boss in sims rofl

strange python
#

in all my higher keys CT is adding A TON of dps on trash i cant see the argument for TB

cinder palm
#

can someone explain to me how exsang works?

#

like it takes the time off my bleeds?

#

but they tick faster?

chilly obsidian
#

It makes bleed tick fast

strange python
#

On vectis elaborate planning or master poisonner ?

lone junco
#

initial garrote is 18sec.
press exsang it is now 9 sec
that doesnt gain you any damage
but there is a gap, where you put garrote back up, and it starts ticking again where it would have run out.

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AND exsang makes your bleed duration shorter, so they fit overlapping a 10sec trinket buff.

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vendetta is long. so no gain
Vanish subterfuge is for full duration
Exsang just cuts the time,
But shorter timer overlaps with Trinket use.
and gap allows 9 sec of normal garrote once the exang drops.

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the end.

cinder palm
#

i see, that is very interesting

#

i am simming higher with exsang

crimson swift
#

that doesnt seem right at all

lone junco
#

no.

#

apl doesnt want to use the 3rd garrote.

#

so it is lower than actual

crimson swift
#

it also doesnt consider the bug

lone junco
#

i doubt simc will reconginze the bug

#

they probably expect it to be fixed.

chilly obsidian
#

Crimson tempest worthwhile on vectis?

lone junco
#

I dont know much about debugging

#

afk work.

deep solstice
#

So are we supposed to open Garrote Rup Garrote, or Garrotex2 Rup? I can see the arguement for either way

crimson swift
#

afaik: exsang grg and tb ggr

lone junco
#

both TB and Exsang can use g r g

#

but it probably doesnt matter for TB

deep solstice
#

So getting rup up on the second GCD for the energy outweighs the extra few seconds on the timer.

lone junco
#

the garrotes are the important part, then vanish garrotes.

#

someone else can micro manage TB rotation. enjoy that. I got bleeds.

#

Dudes. When we are talking about SS in M+

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this is the jam.

#

3T

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its garbage in 20T. and medium at 1T.

#

unless exsang.

magic zenith
#

The limitation of 3t is because the subterfuge buff only lasts long enough to apply 3 garrotes?

lone junco
#

but that 2-5 is nice.

#

yes

#

and the bug afterward that cuts off

#

if you vanish you can do another 3, or redo the previous 3

#

so 18 sec vanish 3 more. would be the best 3t pull

#

but w/e

magic zenith
#

Oh wow it removes the SS buff on all existing garrotes

lone junco
#

yeah

magic zenith
#

That's a gross bug

lone junco
#

!ss

prisma monolithBOT
#

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

silk sundial
#

They still havent fixed that? I wonder if they ever will

lone junco
#

tbh. the normal garrotes arent that strong, and the 6sec cd is annoying.

#

so id rather they keep it strong than fix it.

edgy trellis
silk sundial
#

Played sin almost all of legion, tried out sub for bfa. Since the recent sin nerfs my st sin build is only 100 dps under sub. I will probably try out sin for the raid next week

ebon bramble
#

Assassination reign supreme. Sub and outlaw need 🤣

magic zenith
#

I still love outlaw, but my st is already falling behind.

undone cairn
#

its time to make the switch fellow rogue

magic zenith
#

It's at least time to learn.

prisma cypress
#

yeah i'm trying to learn right now myself

#

simming for 3 targets shows like 16k, but on 3 target dummies i'm doing like 13k. not sure what i'm missing

magic zenith
#

Seems pretty much the same as legion except for playing around garrote.

orchid wraith
#

so, due to the nerf probably goiung to swtich from otl to assa too, 3x ss best azerite trait?

keen hound
#

yes

#

3x ss

past harbor
#

Why in the opener we go Garrote-Rupture-Garrote and not Garrote-Garrote-Rupture?

wet apex
#

what's everyone sim for?

past harbor
#

yeah

#

And in toxic blade, Why its worth using a 3Cp rupture in the opener

dusky rose
#

why reapply garrote when its already up

keen hound
#

Last night on heroic fetid I did garrote - rupture - garrote - mutilate - vendetta+galecaller - rupture - exsang

#

peaked near 40k dps

#

and was my first night trying exsang (up until last night had been running TB)

#

so wasn't as clean as it could have beeni

vague patrol
#

is exsang generally simming higher for people now?

strange python
#

@past harbor its because you get 3 casts during subterfuge. So by garrote rupture garrote you get full pandemic garrote buffed with ss. You get elaborste planning 10% damage buff and allows you to then vendeta mutilate pandemic rupture into finishers before vanish

fading hearth
#

I feel like Assassination is the island all the marooned pirates from the outlaw ship are washing ashore on

vagrant brook
#

what talents are u guys taking for higher m+ keys?

hollow cloud
#

pretty much @fading hearth

magic zenith
#

We'll honestly we all knew this time would come.

golden mulch
#

is there a way to combine mod:shift and @cursor in one maacro?

#

#showtooltip Fan of Knives
/cast Fan of Knives
/cast [mod:shift][@Cursor] F.R.I.E.D. doesnt seem to work

#

hm wait now its casting both when i press it

sinful lotus
#

Hello, at what Mythic + level would you say CT starts to be valuable?

#

And do you then ever use it ST, on the bosses?

indigo mulch
#

So, should i refresh Rupture/Garrote before i use exasng?

simple acorn
#

whats the rotation for dungeons?

cunning blaze
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
grim wolf
#

what's the minimum to use crimson tempest? 3+ targets?

icy oar
little frigate
#

you lads think that mythic ToS is 5 manable yet?

#

need to finish my tier set

vague oracle
#

Just switched to Ass to try for m+, bleeds or Poisons better for m+?

molten oriole
#

I feel like unless you have 1k haste on gear, there is no point in switching from Sub to assassin on tues

vague oracle
#

Oh, you need at least 1k haste?

molten oriole
#

i mean, for me switching from Crit dependent gear to Assassin, i sim like 3k lower single

#

So i can only assume that's because i have too little haste

sterile nacelle
#

how much haste do you have minxy?

grim wolf
#

we don't use Crimson Tempest on pure ST, correct?

#

like if we're talented into it for m+ just dont use it on bosses

molten oriole
#

@sterile nacelle 570ish

muted quarry
#

i cant get haste to save my life

molten oriole
#

Yeah, the reason that the assassination dps is so high on the Simcraft is because they have hast on every piece of their gear there lol

valid dawn
prime quail
#

For the ugliest character defenetly yes

#

Without competition

daring imp
#

oh god

nocturne cradle
#

when is the best time to use my second exanguinate?

#

in the opener I use it right after the big rupture is applied

#

after that do I use it off cd or only after I apply a full dot

muted quarry
#

can someone briefly explain ss for me

molten flicker
#

u do more dmg with garrote from stealth

full delta
#

when we use exsan we let the dots fall off right?

molten flicker
#

yes

spiral furnace
#

Should i let a buffed garrote drop ? Or can I refresh it without dps loss

autumn bloom
#

Let it drop

#

Well

#

Refresh after last tick

muted quarry
#

i need a rogue tutor lol

autumn bloom
#

You want as much uptime as possible with overwriting the buff

spiral furnace
#

Ok

#

Thx

vague patrol
#

any thoughts on sin talents for arena?

#

and azerite traits

#

obv at least one ss but beyond that not really sure

muted quarry
#

is 3 SS the goal?

civic palm
#

Your best gear is your goal.

vague patrol
#

i have 3x ss but also twist the knife and other shit so trying to figure out what's optimal in pvp, 3x ss seems pretty clear in pve

lusty schooner
#

3SS is pretty strong for pvp

muted quarry
#

Thank you Sinisterbend. thats what i was looking for

keen hound
#

3xss... get the bleeds going, vendetta, and exsang...

#

watch them melt

#

plus, not many things out there get rid of bleeds

lusty schooner
#

Except your friends

vague patrol
#

lol

prisma river
#

Do we still go haste>mastery for pvp?

opaque grotto
#

Ahh are all the sub rerollers flooding into the assass channel?

keen hound
#

mhmm 😛

jovial kite
#

This place is a shithole now

keen hound
#

outlaw too

opaque grotto
#

Sub is still gonna be sick, what is everyone scared of?

keen hound
#

it's the nerf word

opaque grotto
#

Sub was just BROKEN, so they had to tone it down

keen hound
#

scares people lol

opaque grotto
#

Same with outlaw

#

It was performing better than sub actually

#

It needed to be brought down

jovial kite
#

The only reason youd play sub

#

Is prio damage from aoe to st

opaque grotto
#

Yeah I play sub on Zul

jovial kite
#

You could nerf all the sub traits

vague patrol
#

@opaque grotto depending on if you're talking about pve or pve. in pve sub will be fine, in pvp it got hit really hard

jovial kite
#

But youd still play sub for zul and ghuun mythic

opaque grotto
#

Sub was more OP in pvp than it was in pve

#

The fuq

#

You could delete people

vague patrol
#

maybe it was, i dunno, but now it definitely isn't

jovial kite
#

you could delete ppl as sin since launch

#

Ppl are just clueless

#

And parrot shit instead of finding out themselves

keen hound
#

it's funny the perceptions people get

undone cairn
#

uhh whats the difference between raider dummy and regular dummy

#

is the raider one considered a boss?

keen hound
#

yesterday , got turned down from a group b/c I was sin instead of outlaw or subt -_-

#

b/c they assume if you are sin you are trash lol

jovial kite
#

Like i said

#

Ppl are clueless

mellow pier
#

@jovial kite is sub for ghuun just to do upstairs?

jovial kite
#

No

#

Its for boss dmg in burnphase

mellow pier
#

Yeah i guess

#

Since u only have like 24s

jovial kite
#

Adds die only to blast

mellow pier
#

And sod pretty strong

#

Yeah

jovial kite
#

so you get evi spam

#

All the time

mellow pier
#

Yep makes sense

#

What are u simming at atm btw

#

For exsang

jovial kite
#

14,8 sub

#

13,8 exs

keen hound
#

rip my puny dmg 😂

safe matrix
#

even after the 5% nerf?

mellow pier
#

My sub dropped hard, i regemmed everything for assassin

jovial kite
#

actully havent simmed sub after nerf

mellow pier
#

Im at about 14.7 with sub and 14k with assassin

safe matrix
#

nightly's updated for it iirc

mellow pier
#

I was 15.5 prenerf

jovial kite
#

I know, havent been home

acoustic flame
#

Your sub sim was scary nurux

mellow pier
#

Its rip now

acoustic flame
#

but the fact that you are panda was even more

keen hound
#

i'm at a modest 12.8 exsang 😂

mellow pier
#

Regemmed exsang

#

Feelsnerfsman

vague patrol
#

15.5 at what ilvl?

mellow pier
#

360 equipped

vague patrol
#

ah

acoustic flame
#

Nurux was blessed for his heroic run

vague patrol
#

i've been super unlucky with uldir and m+ drops

mellow pier
#

Dude

vague patrol
#

nothing good yet

mellow pier
#

Rng favored me this week

acoustic flame
#

I hope i'm gonna get blesses

#

for weekly chest

keen hound
#

i'm only 345 😂

acoustic flame
#

BlessRNG

mellow pier
#

Not gonna lie

vague patrol
#

i'm 355 and mainly because of the crafted 370s and m+ spam

acoustic flame
#

I'm 353

#

just from m+

#

didn't do heroic yet

prisma cypress
#

is exsang the ideal talent if you have shrouded suffocation? st or only cleave/aoe?

mellow pier
#

I cant even get my aotc unless i rekill ghuun this week

acoustic flame
#

How is assa going to perform if they nerf the op trait though

mellow pier
#

@prisma cypress tb isnt far behind tbh

#

@acoustic flame i only have 1 ss

#

And sim 14k

acoustic flame
#

Yeah i got 1ss too

#

I'm not sure what i'll end up playing, assa or sub

keen hound
#

i think if they nerf ss then tb will pull back ahead

mellow pier
#

Im going straight assassin now. Much easier to RL with if they close

undone cairn
#

i have 3x ss and i sim lower using exs:(

acoustic flame
#

True, I care only about numbers tbh

#

Will probably decide after changes I guess

#

not like it's hard to go back

#

I don't wanna reforge between every boss tho

keen hound
#

sin and ss made it past first round of tuning so that's good 😛

#

i didn't figure sin would get touched though

#

it's really not op

mellow pier
#

Thyr prob will leave it now tbh

#

They dont like nerfs during mythic race

#

Imo

jovial kite
#

They wont touch it

mellow pier
#

Ya

jovial kite
#

Already nerfed once

mellow pier
#

Assassin safe

full delta
#

feel bad for outlaw

keen hound
#

they just need to fix the bug

full delta
#

what bug?

keen hound
#

!ss

prisma monolithBOT
#

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

vague patrol
#

they still haven't fixed the ss bug?

#

wow

full delta
#

so dont refresh stealth garrots

orchid wraith
#

if toxic blade sims higher for me ( 1%) should i run with it for now? or stay with exsang?

keen hound
#

don't refresh or apply a 4th to another mob

full delta
#

does that apply to our ST roation?

keen hound
#

@orchid wraith just go w/ whatever sims higher

full delta
#

should i not refresh the vanish gar gar until it falls off?

orchid wraith
#

check

keen hound
#

it's going to be a matter of stats / gear as to which comes out ahead for you

vague patrol
#

man i dunno why but i sim like 1k lower as sin for patchwerk vs sub

#

even with 3x ss

safe matrix
#

no, you don't want to overwrite a buffed garrote with a regular one

#

you want it to tick to near completion

prisma cypress
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i think the bigger point is that you dont want to even use garrote outside of stealth when there is a stealth garrote active even on another mob

safe tusk
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I dont understand how SS is ideal in raids. You can use 1 in opener. mb one right after it finishes with vanish. then one after 2 mins. lets say typical fight lasts 6 mins, it's like 4 SS buffed garrotes

keen hound
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You don't realize how much damage the ss garrotes do

tough whale
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Also subterfuge

lusty schooner
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It's just that good

tough whale
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Multi garrote opener

keen hound
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I'm ilv 345 and can get 40k peak dps on opener

tough whale
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I only have one ss right now 😢

full delta
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i will trade u an ss for a dagger

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im rocking a 31-

safe tusk
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Damn. Well lets hope I get some this week from mythics since my deadshot traits are useless now

full delta
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*310

tough whale
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my daggers are 20/40 ilevels behind my outlaw weps :/

full delta
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same

keen hound
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I'm so tired of outlaw weps from WQ's -_-

tough whale
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nah mine are from m+

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roll outlaw whenever a place doesnt drop a dagger

keen hound
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gimme a chance at some warforge / titanforge from wq's lol

safe tusk
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do the pvp wep cap

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it's not hard to do

spice surge
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^

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Pvp is way better for gear this week than m+ 😄

keen hound
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yeah i'm working on that right now

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i got 340 weps week 1 from mythics

lusty schooner
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Get that pvp dagger

keen hound
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nothing since 😂

lusty schooner
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Mine rolled a socket which was sweet

safe tusk
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oh nice

tough whale
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ive gotten 2 355 dice from m0, but no daggers since, running 345/340

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Been m+ing nonstop since launch

safe tusk
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i got 355 axe from mythic 8 tonight. i hope blizz pulls back a bit on outlaws nerf

wheat zealot
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Lul GL with that

tough whale
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ye im losing 900 on my outlaw build, and i dont even have pistol shot

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13.8 -> 12.9

keen hound
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which still probably sims ahead of sin 😂

vague patrol
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i thought it would, but i just did the sims and i was ~1k ahead before on outlaw/sub ST, now sub and sin are equal

tough whale
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I gotta do the weekly sin so ill check, but right now my outlaw is only simming 12 dps behind my sin

vague patrol
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outlaw probably below both

tough whale
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on patchwerk probably

vague patrol
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yeah

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something like zul outlaw is still good but other than that in uldir i think it'll be sin

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or sub for a few

tough whale
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Sub has a bit more prio cleave but less overall on multi target

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i think assa > sub post nerf if you have ss

vague patrol
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i sim 100 dps higher sub vs exsg sin with 3x ss on patchwerk but it's very close

worldly seal
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Is there room for an exiled outlaw main here

tough whale
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Theres always room

worldly seal
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Need to get my conquest dagger

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Then I can swap

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Been busy with work and the gf lately

tough whale
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My sub lost only 500 dps with the tuesday nerfs

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not bad

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13.8 -> 13.3

worldly seal
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I like outlaw and sin about the same

prisma cypress
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sub just isn't as elegant as assa and outlaw

tough whale
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🤔

worldly seal
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So I don’t mind playing sin

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How much dmg does a garret do

keen hound
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idk, i don't know ant Garret's that play wow

worldly seal
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Garrotte CD

spice surge
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Without stealth like 25k

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With stealth like 125k

keen hound
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idk how much overall

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but i regularly get 20k crits in raid and i'm only ilv 345 lol

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which is nuts for a dot

tough whale
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I gotta check my item restoration for ss traits feelsgoodman

worldly seal
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Damn night elf’s must be busted

sullen robin
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So on opener, garrote rupture garrote, than when do we use vanish to reapply garrote/rupture?

simple acorn
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whats the rotation for dungeons for sin?

acoustic flame
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When garrote drops

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According to guide

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u do vanish and double garrote

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Btw, does haste have insane value for assa rogue?

static tapir
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@sullen robin rupture if time is < 7.2 sec a

spice surge
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ye

acoustic flame
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I have 1.1k haste and it's like 1.9

spice surge
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Better than agi

acoustic flame
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yeah

sullen robin
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@static tapir so garrote rupture garrote on opener than when rupture is less than 7.2, we vanish and reapply garrote rupture garrote?

keen hound
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look at the guide

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it lists it quite clearly

static tapir
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just got ilvl 385 [Construct Overcharger] and its worse than darkmoon

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sims correct?

tough whale
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Construct really isnt that good

keen hound
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yes

tough whale
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the stat budget on it is poor

keen hound
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construct is not good

static tapir
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sad

opaque grotto
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Garrote > rupture > garrote > mut > rupture > vendetta

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Is your opener

tough whale
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It just flat out doesnt give enough secondary

keen hound
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@opaque grotto vendetta before mut and rupture

opaque grotto
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I vendetta before rupture but I cba to edit

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I run exsang though

keen hound
opaque grotto
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oh well

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one global different, not much of a difference

gusty plinth
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lol

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real rogue

opaque grotto
manic remnant
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im lazy i use macro ::P

earnest hedge
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so at what point does exsang overtake toxic blade?

keen hound
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when your sims tell you that it does /shrug

opaque grotto
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when your sim says so..

earnest hedge
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no shit. generally speaking

spice surge
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When you bleed your heart out

opaque grotto
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when your sim says so..

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generally speaking

keen hound
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Again... generally speaking... when your sim says that it does...

bold steppe
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For multi-target exsang, what's the best opener with Shrouded Suffocation? Garrotte/Rupture Target 1 -> Garrotte/Rupture/Mut/Exsang T2 or Garrotte 1 -> Garrotte 2 -> Garrotte/Mut/Rupture/Exsang 3?

spice surge
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Tbh i think exsang is better anyway, because its on-demand burst compared to a bit more steady dps

earnest hedge
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wow i didn't think sin could be more useless than outlaw discussion lmao

civic palm
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BECAUSE I LIKE IT BETTER THAN TOXIC BLADE

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To be fair, you asked a useless question.

opaque grotto
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there's no like defined value

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we just know exsang is hungry for haste

keen hound
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You asked a question that will only be answered by your sims man

bold steppe
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@earnest hedge the biggest decider is the fight. If you don't need on-demand burst play Toxic Blade because it's easier and requires less brains

earnest hedge
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jingle just answered it

bold steppe
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Otherwise you should probably play Exsang even if it sims lower for the ability to burst

earnest hedge
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sin is pretty easy don't know how you could mess it up

civic palm
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Riiight.

opaque grotto
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it's true though

keen hound
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Then why are you here asking silly questions?

opaque grotto
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i've been playing rogue for a month and have 2 rank 1 parses

civic palm
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uhhuh

molten flicker
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xdddd

opaque grotto
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No class is particularly hard though

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if you ask me

civic palm
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ok

opaque grotto
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at least in pve

civic palm
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Sure.

opaque grotto
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i mean you can look up my character on the armory

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and see when I started getting achieves

civic palm
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Yeah.

opaque grotto
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my dude

civic palm
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What?

opaque grotto
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you for real don't believe me?

gusty plinth
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who said assa is hard?

earnest hedge
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hopefully nobody

civic palm
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1.) I believe you.
2.) No one said it was hard.

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That's a lie someone yesterday said it was harder than SUB.

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Which I am not sure is true.

acoustic flame
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Assa is hard

opaque grotto
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meh i have no comment on that really

civic palm
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Bam, now someone else has.