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jovial kite
warm parcel
I know what you want
knotty oak
whats the opener without SS?
calm jackal
winter gale
calm jackal
but it's with ss
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
strange python
!stats
winter gale
Toxic Blade opener : garrote rupture garrote rupture?
civic palm
Like I said... new sheet.
civic palm
๐
winter gale
So garrote again before vendetta?
civic palm
Same as listed in guide.
winter gale
I was putting rupture and then vendetta muti toxic
Sometimes it would leave me woth 3cp
civic palm
The sheet is more for explaining things to some people as they were still confused on a few things.
winter gale
I agree with garrote before vendetta and will try that today, it is guaranteed 4 and if toxic proc then 5cp
verbal sorrel
wait on the TB opener
it says Garrote > Rupture > Garrote > Vendetta?
shouldn't it be Garrote > Rupture > Garrote > Rupture?
civic palm
It follows the guide.
civic palm
The one at the top
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civic palm
uhhuh
civic palm
Shrouded Suffocation
verbal sorrel
shouldnt we use another rupture before vendetta
civic palm
๐
civic palm
Till some are added O _O"
verbal sorrel
rip
For now I'm just glad
I actually enjoy assa a lot tbh
Dotting stuff was always satisfying
prime quail
I don't know why ppl Dislike CT Males the gameplay harder and doesnt fuck You up in trash dps
What m+ is 90% about
verbal sorrel
hmm
Well I've tried to put CT in my rotation
But i've just seen more dps by using more ruptures/envenoms on mobs
civic palm
CT depends on your tank and healer being able to stay up with a 3+ pull.
verbal sorrel
and using Posion bomb as dmg
prime quail
You cant compete with other dps in 5+ without ca
prime stirrup
ct feels like trash in rotation
prime quail
CT"
civic palm
PB is shit for kiting.
past harbor
PB is so bad for the current affixes
verbal sorrel
agreed
prime stirrup
like honestly it feels like hot garbage. I should be spamming envenoms but instead i have to stop to put some crap tier 5k dot on a target? No thanks not for me, ill hope for rnjesus
prime quail
M+
verbal sorrel
but sanguine is only this week
past harbor
Well necrotic is kiting too
verbal sorrel
mobs are usually slowed btw
prime quail
You only kite
verbal sorrel
so the short poison bomb duration actually dps's them
prime quail
In high Keys+
delicate gull
should we be refreshing garote and rupture to full duration regardless of how much time is left before exsanguinating?
prime stirrup
i finished my +10 in 60 minutes with PB. was ez pz
civic palm
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
verbal sorrel
m+5 keys are super easy anyways
prime quail
What setup and GS did You Play shanksy
verbal sorrel
and they die before CT can even do decent damage
usually poison bomb just outdps's it
since mobs are coordinated stunned
and slowed/rooted
and killed all at the same time
so sanguine isnt healing
if it is its just a bad pug
jovial kite
+10 in 60 minutes 
prime stirrup
We went in not trying to beat timer, but for a clean run. we had 8 deaths. not bad at all. judge the time all you want. but i didnt spend 4 hours in a dungeon because people are brain dead
knotty oak
whats pb
weak pine
Poison bomb
prime quail
What instance +10
muted quarry
any good tips or addons for managing 3 garrotes and 3 ruptures on targets?
prime stirrup
freehold
prime quail
Lucky bastard
rough agate
Are the guide builds accurate atm?
prime stirrup
doing a 10 atal later today, ill probably test MFD over vigor there
prime quail
I only get shrine keys with my guys
prime stirrup
shrine isnt bad if you have kick order down
prime quail
Have to Play with rnd heal and 1 dps
prime stirrup
- them galecallers are nice!
knotty oak
@muted quarry lmk if u find any
prime stirrup
prime quail
Whats your Boss dps with PB?
prime stirrup
with hero im at 18-20k
prime quail
What
verbal sorrel
ending dps or burst?
prime stirrup
ending dps on boss fights
prime quail
What
dense yarrow
i end with much higher dps depending on bosses
prime quail
GS?
verbal sorrel
"depending on bosses"
muted quarry
i must be playing wrong
dense yarrow
usually boss dies before 2nd empowered garrote
verbal sorrel
then the group has over 25k dps @dense yarrow
weak pine
Depends on key
dense yarrow
well, last boss on temple you cant end with 20k dps... ๐
weak pine
Multi dot
verbal sorrel
It all depends on group dps
so it doesnt matter
if group dps is low
you will fall off fast
prime quail
๐๐ผ
verbal sorrel
not getting 2nd empowered garrote just means the overall dps is insane
and prbly a disco spamming dps
verbal sorrel
yeah
are you even doing + keys
or a m0
cuz I still dont see how they die in 10 seconds
dense yarrow
+5-6s
sudden brook
thought id share the updated sims with you guys
weak pine
Exsg outperforming PB?
verbal sorrel
yes
prime quail
Im at 10.8k at a +6 key
verbal sorrel
by about 1-2%
knotty oak
@verbal sorrel do u play the same as with tb only replacing tb with exs?
verbal sorrel
well no
I'm currently playing TB
but with exsg
you just use garrote twice on opener
and rupture aswell
so you increase the duration of the buff
and then exsg with vendetta
strange python
@verbal sorrel with 3 ss pieces exange still sims 150dps lower than toxic
alpine grotto
Where does poison build come ?
verbal sorrel
or master poisoner?
alpine grotto
Sorry
verbal sorrel
Everyone uses PB for ST
there's no other talent other than maybe FoK but thats just worse
sudden brook
poison build isnt on the sims right now, pretty sure exsg is just gonna be the new default
knotty oak
so when do i pick up exs? 2 ss traits?
prime stirrup
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/218507222211231744/485694917239373824/Capture.PNG?width=1002&height=578 think thats from m+2
verbal sorrel
when it sims higher for you
knotty oak
ait
charred raptor
Is the exsang build the same as TB, just changing that tier?
prime quail
Shanksy i assume You got 3SS?
verbal sorrel
but thats the case for both specs
prime quail
And what GS?
dense yarrow
@verbal sorrel
prime stirrup
i was 2xSS at that point
dense yarrow
thats from shrine +5
prime stirrup
i still dont have 3xSS
weak pine
We don't care about dungeon dmg
verbal sorrel
@dense yarrow looking good
weak pine
Only bosses
verbal sorrel
really good
civic locust
Do i need 3x SS to play Assa?
weak pine
No, but it helps
verbal sorrel
@civic locust no
charred raptor
So Elaborate, Subterfuge, Vigor, and Exssng?
prime stirrup
no you do not, but it makes a big diff if you can get the pieces
sharp pasture
So if you stack SS you use more than 1 garrote on same target in opener?
frosty oak
is stat priority for exsang still haste crit?
charred raptor
Ok, thanks. Switching over from outlaw since they're getting nerfed.
civic palm
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frosty oak
i mean... relatively speaking..
burnt lagoon
Guys, any1 who knows how i can make my garrote WA show green color when its empowered by subterfuge?
frosty oak
in general.
verbal sorrel
relatively speaking haste > crit ye
frosty oak
k ty.
dense yarrow
@verbal sorrel link what of my char?
dense yarrow
aite
civic locust
@dense yarrow what talents do you run for dungeons`
verbal sorrel
im at x1 ss and my garrote isnt coming close to your dmg
civic palm
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dense yarrow
usually tb and pb, last dungeon i tried CT and was pretty good @civic locust
knotty oak
@prime stirrup what talent build are u using for m+?
prime quail
Is that Guide high end or for beginners?๐
dense yarrow
civic palm
It's the guide.
prime stirrup
Im with unavailable on that too. tb/pb feels great. Im going to try adding MFD over vigor for this 10 atal im doing later today
@knotty oak i run 2212221
knotty oak
ait ty
muted quarry
im so jealous
verbal sorrel
@dense yarrow whats your ST sim?
dense yarrow
about 13.6k
exotic frigate
Hey guys, what traits are we ideally looking for in Uldir? Are we stacking any?
prime stirrup
SS/ overwhelming power
weak pine
gz on the chest
civic palm
You're gonna wanna sim yerself der bud.
sharp pasture
What is the current bug with SS?
civic palm
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
weak pine
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
civic palm
If you are raiding Heroic/Mythic odds are you are going to item leveled out of SS pieces.
sharp pasture
ty
civic palm
Though they still might win out in M+ due to how those function.
dense yarrow
the diff before 2x ss and 3x ss is very big also
verbal sorrel
is it?
hmm
I'm gonna have to see
whats your max garrote crits
mine are like 11
11k
prime quail
I need head SS Trait for 3
sharp pasture
Sorry for not understanding very well, but so if i open with garrote on 3 different mobs, i shouldnt use garrote outside of subterfuge if there is a 4th mob?
dense yarrow
@verbal sorrel
weak pine
Freehold is the best dung in terms of loot
civic palm
3rd is basically the same damage as the second with is the same increase in damage as the first.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
dense yarrow
i have 3 ss and the other rogue has 2 ss
sharp pasture
Or is it only for ST
prime stirrup
with 2x SS my garrotes crit for almost 26k when hero is on
verbal sorrel
wow
yeah that's a huge difference
but the other rogue might not be playing as efficiently as you
glad shuttle
im too dump to play the sin q.q
weak pine
Show damage breakdown of the dps @dense yarrow
prime stirrup
they are additive for SS and then mutliplied by the subterfuge talent. so its a compounding trait
verbal sorrel
what shanksy said
civic palm
You're not magically doing 20% more damage.
prime quail
Well 356ilvl
verbal sorrel
but I dno
prime quail
No Wonder Thats escalating
dense yarrow
civic palm
ok
dense yarrow
biggest crit for that fight i had 20k for garrote
verbal sorrel
but see
dense yarrow
he had 11k
civic palm
Yeah but don't look at that that's not his point.
verbal sorrel
the other rogue kinda misplayed
dense yarrow
sorry i had 22k he had 14k
prime stirrup
i posted my screenshot earlier of 2xSS crits for 26k
dense yarrow
i have 5 ilvl more than him
civic palm
Unless he's multiboxing the performance of other characters doesn't matter.
dense yarrow
its about the diff between 2ss and 3ss
prime quail
Shanksy whats your GS?
verbal sorrel
ye ye
prime quail
What Setup You guys recommend for pushing for a +10?
dense yarrow
and all that fights are without pots cuz im poor xD
civic palm
lol
dense yarrow
first boss motherlorde i did 32k dps at end of fight
prime quail
Well classes ofc
verbal sorrel
in terms of classes
prime quail
No grp Setup sorry
verbal sorrel
boomie for sure
muted quarry
i cant get ss on anything yet
prime stirrup
First boss motherlode is bs cause if you do mechs right you shouldnt end with under 25K
verbal sorrel
boomies this week are OP
prime quail
Why?
prime stirrup
those bombs are a huge fucking dmg increase
dense yarrow
ye
prime stirrup
and if you stagger them, its even better
verbal sorrel
good aoe
weak pine
First boss motherlode I've had 40k
verbal sorrel
a rez
weak pine
on +5
dense yarrow
anyway, ill keep testing ss and will try exan, im off guys, have a good one
verbal sorrel
and other 2 dps anything
prime quail
Disco healer ?
verbal sorrel
ye
weak pine
I'll go sim exsang on me
muted quarry
is it just luck on getting SS on gear?
weak pine
yes
prime quail
Dafuqs that ?
prime stirrup
Disc priest
prime stirrup
they add 10% dmg buff
prime quail
Our dk tank hates disc ๐
weak pine
@muted quarry The traits are set for any 1 piece but it's luck getting the specific pieces that have them
prime stirrup
= op op on top of drums
verbal sorrel
well if he hates discs
resto druids are really good now
other than hpalas
with the buff
in terms of other dps anything works really
I myself would get another caster
mage/lock
frosty oak
is exsang build pretty much all the same talents except no TB?
verbal sorrel
@frosty oak ye
prime quail
Our healdrood went casual
weak trench
because of the recent sub nerfs is sin new best thing according to sims?
little frigate
think that the fathoms trinket is worth 90k guys?
quartz fiber
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
verbal sorrel
the fathoms trinket is still really good
but its gonna fall off from next maybe
depends
if you get lucky with trinket drops
little frigate
90k is a lot of g
prime stirrup
You know what trinket is hot freaking garbage in most situations?
prime quail
Every one i have and Thats a Dmg Proc trinket
Banana tol dagor or atal all 355
All Fucking hot garbage
little frigate
which one shank
civic palm
Fucking CANNON O _O
prime stirrup
little frigate
yeah i have the damn cannon too. shit
civic palm
Wait to see if raid trinkets are buffed.
thorn crater
@prime quail i have 3 360 master vers rings unusable
prime stirrup
that trinket is hot trash, i want my quick owlseye back
prime quail
We aiming for freehold/shrine trinkets right ?
prime stirrup
Siege also
civic palm
If you cannot use Galecallers well skip it.
prime stirrup
siege drops a great ring, and decent trinket
civic palm
Spyglass from Siege is very good.
prime stirrup
I got galecallers, love that thing
i got spyglass also, but fathoms/ galecaller is better
weak pine
Exsang is 0.3% higher dps for me than TB. Time to swap
little frigate
best are Galecaller's Boon Icon Galecaller's Boon
Harlan's Loaded Dice Icon Harlan's Loaded Dice
right?
weak pine
I got a galecallers form m0 last week
winter gale
I have 3 340 trinkets
prime stirrup
im pretty sure elctrocution in a jar is really good right now
winter gale
Galecaller, Dice and Jar
frosty oak
im new to assassination, only ever played sub, is the aoe for assassination pretty much the same? fan of knives for envenom and maintain garrote? or do i maintain rupture too?
civic palm
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There's a guide just like there is for SUB.
winter gale
Combo Boon and Dice sim 0.6% better than Dice/Jar
prime quail
Maintain rupt
frosty oak
i never read a guide for sub
prime stirrup
Maintain rupt on 3x targets, maintain garrote on 2x
muted quarry
garrote on 2 not 3?
winter gale
But its on sims and when u play u cant make usage of Boon completely so I went for Dice/Jar
civic palm
Whether you read one or not they still exist and have your answers.
weak pine
@winter gale You can make use of the full boon if you time it correctly
past nexus
Might be a dumb question, but does Garrotes stack? Since yall are running Subterfuge with SS even on single target
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weak pine
For example in mother fight I think the 2nd boon will be during winds, where the boss is likely to move
prime stirrup
In mother people are killing in first room
civic palm
Just hold boon for overlaps at that point if things are fishy.
prime stirrup
on heroic
prime stirrup
we killed in 2nd room and still had 40+ energy remaining on room
weak pine
My guild did it on the 2nd room on normal. Could've easily done it on the first room tho
winter gale
Yes but since u need to move sometimes and I dont know that much of ta tacts yet I find it a bit g
harder so I use jar
Easier
weak pine
Well you just gotta read DBM/Bigwigs timers
And when boon is usable and there's 10 seconds of standing still
use it
prime stirrup
use that thing on CD
prime stirrup
im about to macro it into garrote
civic palm
_>
frosty oak
main reason i don't like guides are because the information can be wrong because they arent frequently updated, like the one you linked says for ST TB is the best, but sims are showing exsang is best. Is this still correct despite sims? @civic palm
prime stirrup
its probably correct for most people
prime stirrup
only a some folks will have the azerite traits to make it worth
civic palm
They're frequently updated here.
It also tells you to SIM yourself and gives you the opener for multiple different builds.
weak pine
I got 2xSS and Exsang is better for me
civic palm
_>"
frosty oak
im not really concerned about what is best for me at the moment
but more so what to strive for.
idc what the best build is for me when i have random trash gear with random stats
civic palm
Then play Arcane Mage.
frosty oak
uh..
weak pine
lol
frosty oak
no.
civic palm
and like I said, wait till Tuesday and see what all nerfs are coming.
Then wait for the HeroDamage to be updated and see where things fall into place.
warm parcel
For a new player tb is by far easier than exsang
muted quarry
whats the best site to run a sim
warm parcel
And its supposed to be a newb intro
civic palm
We're going to advocate for Raidbots here.
warm parcel
Just like sub, talents are close
civic palm
Yerp.
warm parcel
You can sim better in this now and not tomorrow
You can play what you want or need for boss
civic palm
Yeah but just tell him.
muted quarry
can someone help me with raidbot. theres alot to this page
frosty oak
only ones that are ever relatively close for sub is wm and fw
civic palm
Looks like some options there.
Minus the level 100 talent O _O"
But that's due to this being Single Target only.
prime stirrup
Don't run Sims on ask Mr robot unless you fix their trash rotation
warm parcel
In case you havent played sub, wm fw mfd ds vary
thorn crater
wait wait
warm parcel
Even dark shadow for some people
prime stirrup
Why is your rupture so high agent
muted quarry
no clue
muted quarry
let me check
prime stirrup
And your melee is trash. I don't know what's up with that sim, but it doesn't look right. You low ilvl right now?
muted quarry
no. my stats are jacked up but im not pulling any good dps at all
im at 338
masterys at like 20
prime stirrup
You probably have bad azerite pieces at the moment and bad daggers. You should be simming near 11k
muted quarry
my gear sucks. but still not getting the DPS i think i should be
winter gale
So can I confirm this opening rotation as I have one SS? Garrote/Rupture/Garrote/Vendetta...
prime stirrup
Just garrote garrote rupture
Vendetta tb mut into envenom rinse repeat with vanish when garrote is sub 5seconds remaining
winter gale
void gazelle
So exang is the way to go for single target or toxi blade?
sullen robin
prime stirrup
Have to sim yourself to see if exsang is better
winter gale
@prime stirrup to trust u or picture? ๐
void gazelle
I guess a need to replace my 325 off-hand dagger first
prime stirrup
So believe me or just tag mizerok
prime stirrup
Good stuff glad it worked out for you. Whatever it was
warm parcel
Perhaps when we change format with RH
autumn bloom
Yes
knotty oak
Why do u cast 2 garrotes in the opener with SS?
prime stirrup
I typically pop vanish at 3 seconds or less on first empowered garrote. I'm sure letting it tick the extra 3 seconds is worth but use it when I've pooled enough energy
sour trout
I sim higher with TB But I love exeg =[
ancient sonnet
so bois, the subt garrotes. do they benefit from shrouded?
autumn bloom
Yes
ancient sonnet
pog
winter gale
Garrote/Garrote/Rupture
Vendetta/Mutilate/TB
Mutilate to 4-5 /Envenom
Mutilate to 4-5/Envenom
Is this ok?
autumn bloom
Wut
prime stirrup
Just don't use garrote after subterfuge window and they will stay empowered
autumn bloom
The picture is better
ancient sonnet
so is it like, 100% exsg better or nah
prime stirrup
If I have 2+cp going into ST pull I garrote rupture garrote, but that's only time
amber sequoia
so if we go garrote garrote rupture unlike what the picture says, are we still pandemicing rupture before exang?
inner tree
do you guys think assa can be decent in m+ compared to sub or will it be forever shit until CT buff ?
inner tree
idk i feel useless on packs
prime stirrup
You're doing something wrong
inner tree
on huge packs ?
prime stirrup
Should be able to pull 14k + on 3+ pulls no prob
inner tree
yea right i'm talking about big pulls here
like huge
when your frost dk is doing 40k dps lul
autumn bloom
If it's big then you just fok CT and start getting ruptures out
prime stirrup
So CT is like a 6k dot for me. If the dungeon doesn't have a lot of 5+ pulls I'm not changing from pb
autumn bloom
CT is just too good on anything with 3 mobs or more
prime stirrup
Pb is always usefull St or mt it doesn't change. But ct is only good on trash
autumn bloom
PB is lazy talent
It's like 2% increase on ST and worthless if it doesn't proc when you need it to
inner tree
so you just take ST talents but with CT instead of PB ?
prime stirrup
CT makes rotation ass. And I would rather FoK envenom than fok ct.
inner tree
for M+
autumn bloom
CT is a gain whenever you're up against 3 targets
On high keys I like iron wire as well
hollow void
exsanguinate or toxic blade for m+?
autumn bloom
No clue
ancient sonnet
ct exsangs?
autumn bloom
Nahh
hollow void
are you sure? CT seems to be a bleed effect right
autumn bloom
It is but you don't use it on ST
hollow void
ah ye true
prime stirrup
It's straight up worthless on St and is a dps loss
autumn bloom
2% dps loss on st
ancient sonnet
exsg it
autumn bloom
For a massive gain against trash
ancient sonnet
thats what i meant
autumn bloom
No reason to not take CT in a M+
delicate root
@ancient sonnet yes, CT is affected by exsang
delicate root
I thought as much ๐
prime stirrup
You're undervaluing pb, but CT is good in situations
autumn bloom
I'm valuing pb at exactly what it is
inner tree
guide says with CT you just spam it in aoe i tought you only needed to keep the dot up
strange python
What's the maximum amount of ruptures you'd put out in a, lets say, pack of 8 mobs?
autumn bloom
A 2% gain on ST
prime stirrup
Lone 3-4
autumn bloom
I don't try to keep more than 3ish ruptures up
strange python
Is it worth to spam CT in big mob packs then?
pastel vault
wouldnt it just always be better to rupture everything you can if they live long enough?
prime stirrup
You want to be using envenom for the buff and 30k crits
ancient sonnet
ct lasts 12s
inner tree
Cast Crimson Tempest Icon Crimson Tempest with 4-5 Combo Points.
Cast Envenom Icon Envenom with 4-5 Combo Points (do not use it if you have Crimson Tempest Icon Crimson Tempest talented).
is that right ?
ancient sonnet
you can squeeze multiple env in that window surely?
slate agate
Is there a sheet for 3x ss opener ?
prime stirrup
CT gives me 6k dot over 12 seconds. If it isn't a pack of 5 or more and lots of them I'm going pb
strange python
Any fight in Uldir you go CT on? I'd say no
ancient sonnet
i mean the amount of time im actually seeing kited mobs in M+
im running CT
cause they just walk right out of pb
autumn bloom
CT is a damage increase at 3 or more targets
It adds one button to sins very simple rotation
inner tree
do you also keep up 3+ garrotes in aoe ?
autumn bloom
If you're running a mythic+ then running pb is just lazy :p
If they'll live for it yeah, 12s is enough time to maintain ruptures
prime stirrup
Pb is a freaking 2 second dot. They aren't sprinting out of the proc, I regularly see it crit tick for 3k instant dmg. Which is half of a full combo CT application
frosty oak
holy jesus garrote does insane damage
weak pine
Wait... where did the direct WA links go
prime stirrup
If the CT rotation wasn't ass maybe. But to get the most out of CT you typically 2-3 cp rupture instead of 4-5cp ruptures
autumn bloom
Why does that matter
prime stirrup
Because shit dies too quickly
autumn bloom
Rupture is cp neutral
On bigger packs getting low cost ruptures out fast just gets you more energy for more FoK
verbal sorrel
gonna try out CT now
to see if it does more dps
do I run MfD with it
or just vigor
autumn bloom
CT rotation? CT is just a finisher you use in place of rupture every 10 seconds
Sin barely has an aoe rotation as it is
Vigor
verbal sorrel
ight
amber sequoia
does maintaining CT have prio over your 3 ruptures?
autumn bloom
Yesss
delicate root
garrote, garrote, garrote, CT, go to africa, come back, be top dps 
lunar condor
do you use envenom at all on aoe trash pulls if running ct?
autumn bloom
Garrote tab garrote tab garrote CT fok rupture fok tab rupture etc etc
prime stirrup
When I was running CT I did garrote 3x rupture fok rupture fok rupture fok to 5 cp then CT and everything is dead by then
autumn bloom
Then it doesn't matter what you run because you're doing a +2
delicate root
well use CT before rupture then ๐
bold steppe
How are people feeling about Exsanguinate for M+ now? I'm not running CT
inner tree
so you just maintain the CT dot not actually spamming it right ?
autumn bloom
Yeah I don't spam it unless it's literally trash trash
prime quail
What setting was Tab usually bind to ? Had it bind for a spell for me xD
lofty sand
how colorful this channel is right now
delicate root
bold steppe
It seems like it would be great for prio mobs on pulls as well
autumn bloom
Akizane next target
bold steppe
Frontload a shitton of DPS
prime stirrup
Ghost. I'm running 10s with pb and having no problem being top dps. But thanks for your elitism bud
autumn bloom
Homie if you're running +10s and every pull is dying within 5 globals then Im interested
inner tree
are u playing with afflocks to be top dps in aoe ?
prime stirrup
We're running 10s and playing snart. Sapping/ sheeping so everything is manageable so our pulls are 2 mobs
autumn bloom
And being top dps has literally nothing to do with any of this
Cool?
CT is a damage gain on 3+ targets
prime stirrup
You want to be a yolo monkey and do huge pulls on 10 then go for it
autumn bloom
"When I was running CT I did garrote 3x rupture fok rupture fok rupture fok to 5 cp then CT and everything is dead by then"
Doing every pull in 8 seconds
Why aren't you in the MDI
prime stirrup
Why aren't you? Because you play fotm?
autumn bloom
??? Why are you foking if your pulls are two mobs
tulip willow
what mythic dungeon should i be mainly farming as a priority
prime stirrup
I'm not, I said I'm not running CT in 10s
thorn crater
told? underrot?
prime stirrup
Read or gtfo
autumn bloom
That's your quote
west frost
Depends what pieces are needed, sos has head, Atal has chest
prime stirrup
Harv shrine/freehold/siege
safe root
im personally farming shrine for that damn trinket :)
pastel sandal
@prime stirrup @autumn bloom pls stop, both of you.
thorn crater
why would u farm siege????????? tehre are no daggers there
tulip willow
i need everyhting just wonder what piece i guess is most beneficil to get first
prime stirrup
Because siege drops trinket and crit haste ring
autumn bloom
Get some good daggers
thorn crater
equip trinket shit
lunar condor
when do we use exsanguinate on trash pulls? after 3x garrote + ctr or?
thorn crater
lol
tulip willow
yea i got latticework main and shitty off hand
inner tree
tried to sim myself with both PB and CT and the difference is barely noticable
prime stirrup
Pvp has very easicly obtainable 345 crit haste dagger
Takes less than 2 hours to get
inner tree
in aoe of course
tulip willow
thankyou for the help!
inner tree
guess i'll just try it in m+
jovial kite
implying you can just hug left wall and get %
thorn crater
pvp gives axe to me, and yes i changed loot spec and spec and everythikng it still shows an axe
inner tree
did a sim and my haste weight is almost higher than agi wtf
prime stirrup
You can if you clear most of first section
autumn bloom
Sang, it's a quest you turn in
At the end you pick the weapon reward you wamt
Once the conquest bar is full
prime stirrup
But yeah, teeming fort on motherlode will be awful
autumn bloom
Can pick the axe or the dagger
prime stirrup
Yeah, ignore what shows next to conquest bar. You have option like ghost said
The dagger can also just drop for you as a pvp reward
west frost
Hey question on haste buffing bleeds, does the dot tooltip reflect the increase tick rate or will it always say 1.8 sec
prime stirrup
I got a 350 crit haste dagger on 5th ranked 3s
west frost
340 first 2v2 ring
prime stirrup
It's haste over crit. I think 350 version is like +35 crit +55 haste
They equal to like 104 total secondary stats. So my math is wrong think the haste is higher but I'm on phone not at desktop
noble imp
is sin worth with 2xSS traits?
main blaze
sure
shell tusk
Been away for a week and noticed simcraft stating Exsanguinate over TB? this new?
prime stirrup
found it
shell tusk
is there a haste req for changing to it?
slate agate
i'm playing with 3 ss, is it a waste? bloodmallet say it's best
prime stirrup
It's best qwen
main blaze
As far as I know there is no haste requirement but its best
dreamy flint
who making images with rotation what ppl posting during the day ?
main blaze
Thats a butchered statement but I think you mean Mizerok
prime stirrup
?? You mean the Google docs sheet mizerok has been posting? It's linked like 2 hours ago if you scroll up
Or tag him
dreamy flint
yes google docs
prime stirrup
@civic palm post your rotation doc
dreamy flint
he just posting images ? or someone have a link
inner tree
when do you actually start foking for cp generation ? 3+ ?
prime stirrup
Yes 3+
FoK is better the more crit you have
Because nothing feels worse than 4 or 5 foks to hit 5 cp
kindred cedar
@prime stirrup is that from conquest?
prime stirrup
The 345 version I have was from conquest. The 350 was arena win drop
prime stirrup
Arena too
kindred cedar
Or can i cap it in arena?
prime stirrup
35 per
prime stirrup
You also get from skirmishes but it stops regarding conquest atter a few
500 points for dagger
kindred cedar
Okey
prime stirrup
https://www.wowhead.com/news=286968/ranked-pvp-item-levels-for-bfa-season-1-explained it's worth doing pvp right now
I'm a pve player but will do whatever it takes to get geared for mythic raiding. So that means spamming pvp
frosty oak
would iron wire be the best for pve?
west frost
It's 10 per arena past first win
frosty oak
since the silence works on a good bit of mobs
which means 15% less dmg for a bit for tanks
prime stirrup
Very worth for necrotic/over all caster mobs
I'm doing a lot of cheap shotting in high keys, so I will run a few with that talent
west frost
Is cheap rly worth? Surely the garrote dmg is less time damaging tank than the 3 sec stun
prime stirrup
I'm cheapshotting stunnable casts not to save tank
Like going bananas in freehold and such.
I'm just going to test it out and see how it feels
Tank shouldn't have a problem kiting out necro stacks
nimble tartan
@prime stirrup i def agree i was cheapshotting A LOT in my 10 key
prime stirrup
It felt like a requirement
hollow escarp
Smells like nerfs incoming? ๐
nimble tartan
i think for right now where 10s are still a bit challenging gear wise it just helps a lot
prime stirrup
I had 47 kicks in the 10 I ran
Kojac we've made it 2 weeks in this state
So hopefully no nerfs to SS. I think they should make other traits better, like dagger in the back
hollow escarp
I'm glad I'm aware about the bug, the damage would have been lower if I kept applying garrote outside 3 main targets
west frost
Id be much happier with them buffing interesting traits, ones that affect playstyle or talents the way ss does
lofty sand
I'm pretty sure they are going to be tuning SS, I doubt garrote doing 30% of our damage is intended design
edgy trellis
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
prime stirrup
Yeah that's what I was saying. ss is good but it feels required. Almost everything else is trash tier in comparison
haughty flame
sin is making a comeback?
deft locust
unfort if ss is nerfed I think we'll have no fallback
prime stirrup
It never left
lofty sand
I'd be happy if they buffed mastery for us and made it so the spec was more about well places ruptures
deft locust
i like the current design honestly. ss is fun
prime stirrup
I want master poisoner back to antorus days
crimson swift
agreed, makes vanish feel really impactful which is fun
lofty sand
its fun because its effortless, I don't hate it but it doesn't feel right from a design point
grim wolf
are the new sims up yet?
prime stirrup
EP is cool and all, but mp was awesome
prime stirrup
Master poisoner being reverted to legion days would make me a happy dude
Like just make us go all in on bleeds. Don't sissy foot around it blizz
lofty sand
I liked the mastery build in legion better as well
deft locust
i liked vw and vr, but mp was boring
blindside was a good opportunity to make sin unique
prime stirrup
And it failed hars
prime stirrup
And they gutted mp, so now we get ep
deft locust
let it scale with mastery
west frost
How is mp more interesting you at least juggle ep
prime stirrup
I miss 206% mastery
deft locust
ep is more interesting from playatyle
lofty sand
ep literally just happens, you rarely get to play around it
prime stirrup
No one said mp was more interesting
Just that we want it changed to effect all bleeds/poisons like legion
deft locust
mp you pooled too though to be fair
lofty sand
the thing is that we're not working as designed, rupture is supposed to be our biggest hitting spell and right now rup is like 15% of our damage
thats why I think SS is getting the bat
inner tree
make blindside baseline ez clap
west frost
We're building for it though,
prime stirrup
The rupture azerite trait is so bad. Like they had all this information before bfa launched. And they did nothing with it
west frost
At least partially
deft locust
unfort the only thing keeping us viable in low key mythics is triple ss
daring imp
@lofty sand shhhh don't let them hear ya
deft locust
since there's no ramp time
daring imp
@inner tree yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
prime stirrup
We would be useless in low keys without SS.
dark token
you guys think i should run my 3rd 340 SS over archive of the titans 370?
im ehh about it
prime stirrup
Yes
deft locust
sim it
lofty sand
low key mythics are pretty irrelevant and will only get even more irrelevant with time. I doubt they will design the spec around that
dark token
i simmed it
prime stirrup
Archive is not better than SS right now
dark token
sim is not a good indicator of how dungeons play out
archive has more dps on long drawn out fights
you dont get multiple triple garotte resets in sim
prime stirrup
Until you have to do things like run orbs on ghunn, and it resets and you're back to useless
daring imp
3x SS only fix the initial burst for the spec on m+, so it's not an issue @lofty sand
dark token
afaik
sim does not support restealthing in between pulls
or ive never seen sim parameters with that
so no, you cant sim it
hollow escarp
can tanks ever learn to NOT CHAIN PULL
deft locust
face palm
west frost
Big lmao
dark token
i know my ST and hectic add cleave dmg shows archive 370 as higher purely because of the agi
lofty sand
SS is the best option we have in any situation dude, it has been talked to death in this channel. We dissect SS and theorycraft around it for weeks
deft locust
you can indeed sim this
dark token
im talking opinion of dungeon
dark token
for m+5
daring imp
no buffs, 30~40s fights would probably do it i guess
since you get restealth anyway so
dark token
thats why you're better than all the theorycrafters that havent simmed dungeon environments right ;)
cause its very easy
mhm
deft locust
sigh.
lofty sand
I wish noobe was online
prime stirrup
Toxic blue tags in the megenta section!!
deft locust
noobe is great.
prime stirrup
All night like this
dark token
i play all 3 specs
daring imp
i secretly wish sub had lower dmg but more energy regen/more spammable buttons
lofty sand
That makes you less reliable source of information
daring imp
prime stirrup
When you look at parses you see that like 75% of rogues are fotm players
dark token
im talking about simming stuff its not spec specific lmao
i main rogue i dont main a spec, i play whats good
main blaze
Got those week 1 Assn parses under my belt so can't be called fotm
kindred cedar
Fotm?
lofty sand
So you just came here from the sub channel and suddenly you know better than all of the people who have been playing with the spec from the get go?
nimble tartan
Tfw im actually a fotm sin but still better than sin mains YEET
daring imp
only the best of the best remember this gem in legion with shoulders 
prime stirrup
Flavor of the month. People that hop ship as soon as a tubing patch is released
kindred cedar
Ah okey
prime stirrup
Tuning*
dark token
holy shit im not saying i know better i literally asked for an opinion on dungeon traits
despite what the sim says
thats called learning from people that play the spec
lofty sand
and we're saying that SS is better in every situation
soft quartz
Is this a thing people care about, playing different specs within your same class?
prime stirrup
Lol that kingsbane boy stop linking old openers
lofty sand
I know its not an exciting answer but thats it
prime stirrup
But that pb on first rupture was probably orgasmic
daring imp
all of them were!
nimble tartan
Did u know pb on ur opener removed your ns buff
dapper moat
anyone here use somesort of macro for vendetta and Galecallers boon trinket?
daring imp
lul
daring imp
w0t vendetta gets parried?
prime stirrup
I got a 100 for ilvl parse with only two pbs on opener in antorus
north spruce
when you 5 stack shuriken combo puffer fish buffed evis got parried by mistress
feels bad
dark token
it did in legion
north spruce
or missed because you land in a pool lol
nimble tartan
LMAO
prime stirrup
That's the best fucking log I've seen
nimble tartan
thats honestly a chad
prime stirrup
Ever, in my life
nimble tartan
I bet he did that and did hella damage
prime stirrup
He got a pick lock proc off for Christ sake. What a god
arctic frigate
So sin best spec next week?
prime stirrup
Yeah hurry come join the cool kids in magenta
Better change quick before the exodus happens and you're recognized
inner tree
spec scaling is nuts so if not now it will be eventually without nerfs
pallid fjord
๐
prime stirrup
Sub was scaling just as well
But then tubing patch came and they hit everything but the scaling
daring imp
oh shit i forgot to sim my sub/outlul
prime stirrup
Tuning*
dark token
@nimble tartan what you sim at now
inner tree
what i hate about sub is that you'r too way too reliant on good rng on your evi/ss crits
when i look my details at the end of the fight and i see 20% evi crit i know my rank is garbage
prime stirrup
My guild wanted me to go sub. Now they are telling me to stay sin
Ill play what ever is required for whatever raid boss. Makes no difference, but if I have choice I'm playing sin. Reliable dmg
inner tree
feel like poison bomb all over again
prime stirrup
Consistent rotation
inner tree
yea
daring imp
oy exsang is fun as heck
frosty oak
^
daring imp
and simmable dps increase depending on your stats
i'm full of haste/crit so i got it good
frosty oak
got 3x ss?
daring imp
hells yeah
daring imp
13.3
frosty oak
ilvl?
daring imp
351
prime stirrup
As sub?
daring imp
no no sin
prime stirrup
Oh okay, was wondering why so low if sub
Yeah I'm simming at 13.2k with 1xss 353 ilvl
prime stirrup
En was never the good ol days
inner tree
i sim 13k which is like close to my sub sim after nerf
daring imp
ok EN wasn't the good days but exsang was ร_ร
prime stirrup
You still heavy into vers?
daring imp
i'm trying to get rid of that shit
cold rampart
!trinkets
daring imp
haste is like 1.8
prime stirrup
Stack that crit haste and watch your mastery weight creep up. I can't wait till mastery does something again
west frost
Trinkets are pinned
cold rampart
@west frost its not
daring imp
ayyy
prime stirrup
Lol your haste so low huh
west frost
It's on the bloodmallet site
inner tree
14%
prime stirrup
Oh that's not bad at all
inner tree
without food
lofty sand
someone made a projection some time ago and apparently haste holds it as our best stat all the way to like 11k or some stupid number like that
lament nexus
what
prime stirrup
lament nexus
reliant on evi crits
lofty sand
so I wouldnt hold my breath with that
lament nexus
Isn't it every spec? lol
daring imp
now it's garrote crit for sin :X
inner tree
yes it is when both spells do more than half your dmg
envenom doesn't even come close to this
meager aspen
yo dawgs ! I have a question ! It's a fortified week, should I go for crit/mastery ? is there any cap ?
inner tree
you should play sub kapp
prime stirrup
You cant get enough secondary stats to cap anything
There's no soft cap for haste on sin, and crit will always be good
meager aspen
@inner tree More slow in +7 for necroshik in Assa :c
daring imp
the cap likely is having all your gear giving you only haste