assassination

[civic palm]

[steel ice]

Is it better to stack Shrouded Suffocation?

[civic palm]

[lone junco]

then mid block

thats pretty simple tbh

[civic palm]

Yeah.

For that fight.

[keen hound]

all the subt and outlaw rogues comin' in now w/ their nerfs? 😂

[civic palm]

That lasts the literal duration of our burst.

lol

[tulip thicket]

a whole 5% nerf. lol

[keen hound]

oh i know it's not much

but people still see it and flock to the new fotm

[lone junco]

this is why Exsang will be good prio for m+

[civic palm]

Fetid might as well be the EX fight.

[tulip thicket]

if you say so

[lone junco]

ST dingers

[lofty sand]

apparently the nerf to some other really good Sub trait is whats killing them, I only read their channel a bit so I dunno the details

[lone junco]

850k dmg in 25 sec

[civic palm]

ezpz

Galecaller's though > _> yikes

What gets me is that without BL his DMG was the same.

[crimson swift]

@.leo their goto trait got nerfed by 10%

[rough knoll]

bits got nerfed 10%

[river quarry]

how sin lookin with sub/outlaw nerfs

[rough knoll]

and sub dmg 5%

and outlaw best trait deadshot nerfed by 20%

and outlaw dmg 5%

[river quarry]

sin new top dog?

[lofty sand]

Its kinda the same if they would nerf SS, I think a lot of people would roll something else

[lone junco]

doing work.

[civic palm]

Give things a week.

my death in Mother ruined me as well =\

Fucking...

[steel ice]

Okay so i checked the pins, does it mean you should open up with a double garrote for the extra 5 seconds?

[civic palm]

greed.

[tulip thicket]

assassin was behind both, now sub and outlaw got a slight nerf, why would assass suddenly be at top?

[rough knoll]

?

[lone junco]

nothing was suddenly

they are all good

[rough knoll]

we'lll see

[river quarry]

wasn't that bad to begin with

[civic palm]

Noobe why the lack of DMG difference between Lusted window and non-lust window? > _>

[lofty sand]

Sin was always in a strong position, the other specs were spiking higher thats why everyone flocked on them

its not like sin was a dead spec

[tulip thicket]

people just see the word "nerf" and freak out, without actually look at the numbers haha

[river quarry]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

read

[lone junco]

well. the opener exang is a short rupture. due to g r g mut r

[tulip thicket]

spiking higher? it wasnt high spikes. i looked at top 100 dps wowlogs for taloc and MOTHER. 22/100 taloc were rogues, 51/100 for MOTHER, not one assassin

[lone junco]

pandemic adds based on cps of the first application not the ssecond

[tulip thicket]

they were better for entire fight, not burst

[civic palm]

Yeah but I expect the Garrote peek to be higher.

[river quarry]

because everyone went sub

[lofty sand]

Yeah I meant that this patch they were higher, not that they do better burst.

[civic palm]

Don't know why I expected that though.

[river quarry]

it had a slightly better edge to it'

[lone junco]

Taloc fucked up his fight timing.

[river quarry]

not that it was omg amazing stronger

[civic palm]

Yeah Taloc does that.

[rough knoll]

is this normal

or hc

descry

noobe* sry

[lone junco]

afk wife aggro

[lofty sand]

this specific patch was Sub > Outlaw > Sin according to logs, so everyone assumed Sin was garbage, but the spec is strong compared to other dps in the game

[lone junco]

heroic

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/34703150?mode=detailed&zone=19#metric=dps&partition=1&spec=Assassination

logs are your friend.

they tell you more than simc

[civic palm]

SIN is also better for prog. in general so long a fight doesn't box us out due to mechanics.

[river quarry]

yea meaning with nerfs sin could be on par

ye

[lone junco]

sin nerfs. im rolling dh. ayy

[civic palm]

nty

[river quarry]

no

nerfs to outlaw/sub

;_;

[lofty sand]

I'll stay sin even if they nerf, I like the spec

[river quarry]

nobody said sin nerf lol

[spice surge]

Only sub&outlaw nerf

[lofty sand]

hum, I was answering to noobe's comment

[river quarry]

ah

[nimble tartan]

tfw u get the gronk wq shoulders again and its sick cause thats less respeccing

[lone junco]

Lol same.

[tidal gorge]

Noobe, what if you spec master assassin and apply fresh garrote/rupture then exsang, vanish, and wait out the almost 100% crit exsang? I assume that isn't comparable to the damage you do with your other stuff during that window but worth thinking about 😃

[lone junco]

Subterfuge is full duration multiplier buff of the garrote that lets you cast 3. . Ma. Is 4sec 50% crit.

Dots tick 2sec apart.

[tidal gorge]

No I mean you stay in stealth the entire duration so the whole thing gets 100% crit

[lone junco]

So you get 2. Or 4 with exsang.

[tidal gorge]

err, +50%

whatev

[sand whale]

10/10 not worth

[lone junco]

Like garrote mut mut rupture vendetta vanish. /afk

[crimson swift]

actually sounds like a fun rotation

[lone junco]

Exs In there

Memer things have happened.

If that were a thing we would have done it with shoulders last tier.

[tidal gorge]

Yeah, probs

[lone junco]

Can you imagine that shit. "Rog. Where you going. ".

I'm doing my vanish rotation. Need 10more sec.

Stack haste mastery 0 crit. Gl.

Anyway. Subterfuge makes it works.

[crimson swift]

im at just 400 crit right now, might be worth a shot 🤔

[tidal gorge]

Nah you'd still need crit. But stack activated +agi trinkets

[gloomy stump]

that sounds great for pvp

[crimson swift]

true, the perfect bm

[tidal gorge]

Shit where did he go why am I dying what noooo

[normal forge]

What are the best trinkets? besides fathoms

[gloomy stump]

sadly there arent any garrote rupture pvp talents

fathoms isnt the best anymore. check bloodmallet

[normal forge]

Ty ty

[crimson swift]

fathoms is stillt better than many 370s at 355

[normal forge]

just coming back to wow dont really know any of the sites

Well shit seems i have the top 2

[lone junco]

Once we get past balance. If SS stays alive, I'll snip out pieces of logs for a guide section.

[ocean nebula]

which one is the most updated site? cause everyone tells different shit

[civic palm]

Guide: Stack shit here.

@ocean nebula Name some.

[ocean nebula]

herodmg bloodmallet

[civic palm]

Most websites that have charts/etc. have times that they were updated last, so use the most recently updated website and make sure you know what you are looking at.

[crimson swift]

like, there

[torn locust]

What site is that?

[crimson swift]

bloodmallet

[torn locust]

ty!

[ocean nebula]

so harlens loeaded dice 340 is better then contruct overcharger 365.. says the lost

list

[civic palm]

Yeah.

[ocean nebula]

but construct sims better

thats why im asking

[civic palm]

The personal SIM uses your current gear/stat/etc. whereas the charts are going to be using a more standard set of gear so that you can have a chart that makes sense.

Always SIM for yourself and follow those results.

[deft locust]

you know

without ss

I don't know if our class is even functional

spec*

Maybe triple rupture stacking traits for m+ and just spread rupture as much as possible

but then we'd also prolly have to get triple of those mut traits for ST, yikes

[civic palm]

Yeah it's hinged on SS pretty hard.

Though at the same time Double Dose has been seen making its' rise and while it blows that generics might be good, they still are.

[crimson swift]

3x Double Dose + MP sounds fun Kappa

[magic fossil]

16% haste its good for sin nowdays? how much its considered good?

[deft locust]

depends on stats and setup, and what you want to accomplish. But I believe 16% haste is fine for exsang builds, sim yourself

I believe haste is more value than agi for exsang, at least on my character

at 11 or 12% haste

[crimson swift]

@magic fossil most top log sins ive seen had 15-17%, so its probably pretty good at this point in the expansion

[magic fossil]

thank both of you guys, i'll try, those 5% nerf in sub are scaring the shit out of me

[deft locust]

I wouldn't fret too much

[civic palm]

I think I am at 15-16% haste https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/487798321335762950/unknown.png

[deft locust]

Sub will still be better than sin in it's current state

for pure ST

patchwerk

the 5% nerf won't affect that

Cleave sin has always been better

so no change there either

[safe matrix]

Well you guys shouldnt be happy about the nerf to sub/sin

more people will play assassination then

[deft locust]

no ones happy as far as I know

[coral meteor]

Master has given dobby an excuse to play exsang

DOBBY IS FREE

[pulsar goblet]

new sin rogue here.

[safe matrix]

sin new FotM spec

[deft locust]

sin is low key op in m+, so the fact that outlaw and sub are out of the spotlight is worrysome

[deft locust]

cuz SS will be on radar for nerf, but unlike sub and outlaw

if ss gets nerfed, sin is ded class

[rocky pumice]

Testing out CT and yeah it's fucking nuts dps

[civic palm]

@safe matrix Why would I be more happy about more people spamming this fucking channel at pin questions?

[strange python]

hey

[deft locust]

to be fair mizer

outlaw channel has that the worst

it's like

[safe matrix]

"Well you guys shouldnt be happy about the nerf to sub/sin" @civic palm

[deft locust]

every other page

xD

[strange python]

hOw Do I KnOw wHaT mY bIs Is?

[deft locust]

Mayne I just said no one was happy

[crimson swift]

whats that ss bug everyone is talking about?

[prisma pond]

Im new sin rogue gais wuts best stats? and traits? do rogues use daggers? whats best race? if I get a boner when I poop am I gay?

[crimson swift]

what even is ss?

[prisma pond]

cant wait

[deft locust]

lol

[prisma pond]

super saiyen

and when you get ssx3

[safe matrix]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[safe matrix]

oh

sarcasm

[prisma pond]

YOU GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOND

[crimson swift]

lul

thanks anyway

[strange python]

why is my garrote uptime? why is rupture so important? is dagger in the back good?

[prisma pond]

shrouded suffication

[pulsar goblet]

what is my opener

[split spoke]

whats ur guys opinion on sin in m+, cause i feel like its performing the best out of all three specs on high key

[deft locust]

"why is my garrote uptime?"

[strange python]

yes

[deft locust]

That is quality

lmao

@split spoke right now it depends on dungeons

[prisma pond]

ill do you one better

WHO is my garrote uptime

[deft locust]

dungeons that offer big pulls of non elites, outlaw performs better

[strange python]

I'll do you one better

[deft locust]

but in pulls of 2-5 ish, sin is better

[tidal gorge]

With that bug, WHERE is the best word. Clearly

[delicate gull]

what are you exsanguinate players bursting for on pull?

20k+?

[strange python]

HOW is my garrote uptime

[split spoke]

talking about pushing high keys, where ur not going to be pulling big trash packs

[deft locust]

uh, yeah. roughly, 21-24k

[prisma pond]

30-40k

[strange python]

wtb a 3rd ss trait

[prisma pond]

depending on bufgfs

[delicate gull]

40k? wtf

[civic palm]

@safe matrix I legit misread that shouldn't because there wasn't a fucking apostrophe.

[crimson swift]

up to 30k if i press my buttons really hard

[deft locust]

yeah, 30k is plausible with lust and potions

[prisma pond]

if I smoke mooonrockls I can do infinite billion

[real night]

I heard a ilvl 345 PvP dagger can be obtained. Does anyone know where?

[coral meteor]

Even though it's only an extra 30 dps I feel like playing exsang just because fuck the SS bug..

Amount of times I've overwritten it by garroting something else.

[deft locust]

yes

[main blaze]

@real night do arena's with Assn or sub loot specialization

[deft locust]

muffinetaicho

you simply get 500 conquest points

[lucid ruin]

Is Sin more viable after hotfixes?

[deft locust]

and you can choose a weapon as a turn in

[delicate gull]

anyone know the ideal time to use galecaller in the pull rotation?

[deft locust]

if you get to 1400 ish arena rating in 2 or 3 you can upgrade it to 350

and if you get to 1600 ish

[coral meteor]

I just have it bound into my toxic blade relaxv.

[deft locust]

you cna upgrade it further

can*

[delicate gull]

cool thanks lottie, but what about exsanguinate., same?

ill try it out

[stuck shuttle]

how do you upgrade it further?

i have the 345

[deft locust]

uh.. prolly best to put it on it's own button for exsang relaxv

since no cooldowns line up well with it

[coral meteor]

I've never played exsang, (well not since EN) - hence why that's what I'm currently thinking about lol

[crimson swift]

@delicate gull https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/487798972543401994/unknown.png

[delicate gull]

thanks brother

[crimson swift]

this is only for exsang though

[civic palm]

note G R G works there as well if you need to refresh RUP earlier.

[deft locust]

g r g feels good

idk about anyone else but I simply like how that combination of skills flows

[delicate gull]

i probably want galecaller buff when i apply bleeds right? but idk how haste affects exsanguinate tbh

[deft locust]

gives bleeds more ticks

I believe

[delicate gull]

so i just get more ticks very very fast

[deft locust]

also gives small amounts of ER

[delicate gull]

ill mess with it for a bit, maybe after second garrote, and before exsanguinate

[deft locust]

it has no external gcd attached to it

[delicate gull]

oh shit right

[deft locust]

I believe it lasts 10 seconds, or is it 12?

I can't recall

[delicate gull]

10, 1min cd

[deft locust]

but the idea is you want gale to be within the entire frame of your exsang's vanish garrote

[split spoke]

whats better for st actually, stat pot or bursting blood?

[deft locust]

so don't pop it too early

[real night]

@main blaze the PvP dagger reward is end of week? Or do you need to purchase it with conquest points?

[main blaze]

you just get it

[deft locust]

sim it, different based on your stats midder, but I believe bb is ever so slightly better in ST, by less than 50 ST. And agi is better by landfolds in aoe

[civic palm]

No don't do that, what I said, pushes 3rd EX too far back.

[main blaze]

its like a end of match drop, its also when you get 500 conquest it just gives you one based on loot spec

[deft locust]

Caeriss

that's not true

the 500 conquest

you get to choose

between an axe and a dagger

regardless of spec

at least, I did

[spice surge]

Thats wrong, when you have gotten 500 conquest you go to the vendor and complete a quest, where you choose the reward

[deft locust]

yep

[spice surge]

As neverr said

[sturdy egret]

i got to choose between dagger and hammer myself

[spice surge]

Loot specc is irrelevant

[main blaze]

Ah the item changed on the UI based on loot spec

[deft locust]

yes

it does do that tho

idk why

maybe to make people not feel like they are about to be cheated

[spice surge]

It didnt for me, showed an axe always 🤔

[main blaze]

but you can still get a dagger from end of match loot in arena

[spice surge]

Yeah

[amber quail]

Mine is an axe...

[spice surge]

You get to choose

[deft locust]

Could be an axe, this is heresy saying it in this channel but I only play outlaw in pvp

🤔

assassin feels too cp starved

for me at least

[spring spade]

how much haste do you guys have ?

[deft locust]

lots of setup involved

I said I had 11% earlier, but I just checked and I have 16^

16%*

[gray sierra]

anyone know assa pvp traits?

[valid dawn]

So I guess assa is now best after the recently announced nerfs to outlul/sub

[jaunty lotus]

taking 5% off the top parses of sub and outlaw makes ass either top or close to it on everything

looks like the other two specs still have the advantage on pure ST (Taloc)

[limber dew]

have the done soemthign to SS

my damage has tanked since 12 hours ago

[valid dawn]

We still aiming to stack 3 garrote traits with assa?

[main blaze]

nope ss still fine

and yeah stack em

[kind roost]

@gray sierra i use system shock creeping venom and flying daggers

but that was pre nerf awhile ago not sure if anything changed

[uncut mango]

What are prefered talents for m+?

[main blaze]

just normal talents

[valid dawn]

Anyone know if Exang is viable? Curious to try I only see TB being used though

[main blaze]

Exsang is good

try it out

[coral meteor]

It's my highest sim so yeah I'm using it.

[delicate gull]

exsanguinate on cd till vanish is coming back up?

[main blaze]

yeah

so that things line up for second vanish

[valid dawn]

I guess im somewhat happy with the notes. Since I got removed from a m+ today before it even started because i was assa and not sub xD

[subtle lodge]

Anyone know why when i use garrote from stealth i only end up with 3 combo points? I have 2 SS traits so shoudnt it be 5 CP after garrote

[delicate gull]

only dmg stacks

[subtle lodge]

Ohhh the cp part doesnt?

[safe matrix]

"
-The damage part of all traits stacks, for example Shrouded Suffocation doesn't grant an extra combo point per stack but grants more damage per stack."

from the faq in the pins 😄

[subtle lodge]

Oh didnt see that

thanks guys

[valid dawn]

Yeah it would be a little op if those parts of the traits stacked

[limber dew]

i have lost 6k damage on my dots from SS

[river quarry]

unpopular opinion: outlaw nerf a bit rough

rip m+ spec

st gonna be garbage

is the hotfix live?

[main blaze]

The hotfix is live but the class tuning is on tuesday

[river quarry]

...more coming??

...

o_o

[main blaze]

"september 11th class tuning"

is what was posted

[dark token]

Class tuning is the 20% Nerf + 5% dmg

[main blaze]

which includes sub and outlaw nerfs

[dark token]

Which is next Tuesday

[autumn adder]

Guys would i be best stacking the middle ring of my gear with Heed my call/Overwhelming power or just take one of each?

[river quarry]

inb4 nerf to max

😦

[dire spoke]

🙄

[dark token]

Overwhelming power sucks take heed my call

[main blaze]

^

[river quarry]

really?

[dark token]

Think how many times you take dmg in a dungeon or raid

[river quarry]

true.

very true

[deft locust]

wait

@valid dawn

people still do that? o_o

[ocean nebula]

someone said 4% assa nerf comes but cant find it anywhere is this true?

[river quarry]

would be dumb

no

wait till tuning

no nerf atm

[valid dawn]

@ocean nebula Where did you hear that?

[strange python]

Outlul channel

[valid dawn]

Why would they nerf assa

[coral meteor]

does anyone else know what input you need for raidbots to use maghar orc? or is it unsupported

[valid dawn]

can i link a stream? Just look at this assa's damage ❤

[safe matrix]

We generally only allow people to link streams if its part of the discussion or people ask for it.

but out of the blue? probably not

[valid dawn]

ok no worries!

[fiery cradle]

show me the big damage

[valid dawn]

Garrote is rather silly xD https://gyazo.com/a89550ca880f7d4be087170e63e8c791

[grim wolf]

are we running exsanguinate in ST now?

[fiery cradle]

ss is gonna get nerfed i think

[alpine hedge]

even with the 100% garrote nerf at pre-patch

its still the 1st ability

(pvp)

[hazy iron]

If SS is getting nerfed, it's not documented with the changes happening on the 11th

[river quarry]

theres info about changes on 11th??

=/

where exactly.

[brazen garden]

https://www.mmo-champion.com/content/

[eager cobalt]

Do we have anyone in here who can do log reviews?

[calm cedar]

After the nerfs, is Sin looking like the best PvP spec?

[knotty storm]

hey guys, with 5% nerf to outlaw and sub, will we be top?

[inland path]

back to assassination for bfa again 💤

[celest edge]

Do I need triple ace for it to be good?

[coral meteor]

"we"

[soft island]

Snek outlaw wasn't nerf3d

[coral meteor]

YELLOW NAME

GET HIM

[knotty storm]

Something wrong with yellow?

[cerulean aspen]

So outlaw still the spec to go with? Because I really enjoy assassination more but for the raid i wanna make sure im in the right spec.

[hardy pecan]

the spec ur best at is the right spec

[cerulean aspen]

I guess im justa sking what everyone else is 😂

assassin baby 😎

[knotty storm]

Everything I'm reading basically says they're about equal and it comes down to what you're optimized for and what you play better

[soft island]

I need to reroll bm hunter then. To be "optimized"

[atomic karma]

what if im most optmised gear and play best at all classes

so whats best

[rain breach]

After the nerf the 3 speccs should be alle in the same dps range. So play the spec u like. For me its assa

[hoary totem]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[tight anvil]

i know this may be a multi answered question, but with 3 suffocated, does toxic blade still overtake exsang?

[daring imp]

sim it

[tight anvil]

yeah, i figured, just didnt know if there was a cut and dry answer

[daring imp]

DoT gameplay so good

[undone cairn]

hows the playstyle of assa rogue compared to outlaw?

[daring imp]

slower probably

[hardy mural]

slower definetely

[daring imp]

@tight anvil exs sim 100dps higher for me. almost the same stat weights

[undone cairn]

oh no 😦

[daring imp]

but tb is more forgiving

but then i think about exs vendetta empowered garrotes with 3ss and start to wonder

[hazy iron]

Ex would be fantastic for bursting down adds imo

[daring imp]

specially if vendetta is up

ops

vanish*

[delicate gull]

got all 3 SS traits in one day, easiest spec reroll of my life

we're ready

[daring imp]

lul

[fervent beacon]

ongbak is back again

[strange python]

😐

[alpine hedge]

[safe matrix]

gotta minmax that 2 dps

[main blaze]

Exsang wants looots of haste

[daring imp]

tb here demands more haste than exsang @_@"

1.84 vs 1.76

[grim wolf]

Tried out assn in a +5 man some pulls I was at like 25k+ it was insane

[velvet magnet]

What pushes Exsang over the edge once you've got 3x SS? Just haste? Currently rocking 22% crit 14% haste with 3x SS and TB simming about 200dps higher

[grim wolf]

And I'm sure I wasnt like playing it on point either

[alpine hedge]

poison meme or crimson memepest

[grim wolf]

Really nice to be able to melt priority targets

[alpine hedge]

actually, you probably had 3 ss traits and garrote did all of it

[strange python]

I have 3x SS as 20/14/20/9 and as you can see they are the same

[alpine hedge]

[strange python]

fuckload of verse from all this outlaw gear >_>

[velvet magnet]

yeah im only 3.5 vers and 25 mastery

[grim wolf]

How do we open up in AOE packs as assn with SS traits?

[delicate gull]

i kept all my haste matery stuff that was bad for outlaw and kept em for this day, feels good

14% haste not sure if thats low or high tho

i was at like 8% in outlul

[vague patrol]

is 3x ss still the best right now?

for azerite traits

[prime stirrup]

@grim wolf you want to apply all 3 garrote in subterfuge window on opener. Dont worry about over capping CP the dmg increase is worth it. IF RUNNING CT: From there rupture 2 after Fok spam. even if you only get 2-3CP ruptures down its still fine go into CT/garrote refresh. IF RUNNING PB: rupture 3 with 4-5CP FoK spams, apply garrote when 2nd add you garroted on pull is at 5s left on garrote, reapply rupture

[keen spruce]

Sargeras isn't grinding very hard, cuz my times are asscheeks

I don't even have a kings' rest posted

[prime stirrup]

do one +10 and its easy to pull ahead of most people

[keen spruce]

i did one lel

but it scored lower than my +4

cuz it took us 2.5 hours

and we 2 chested the +4

er no

we 1 chested

still a better score

[prime stirrup]

i did my 10 in 66 min. so it was worth more than my +6's

[keen spruce]

yeah we might try to grind through some +9s. we've got like 3 or 4 keys

[bold ice]

@prime stirrup you talking about aoe pulls or garrote a single mob 3 times??

[prime stirrup]

aoe pulls

ST with no CP opener i garrote2x rupture tb vendetta mut enven...

[bold ice]

what's the single target opener look like?

gotcha

thanks!

[prime stirrup]

if you have 2cp which feels like best start for opener i garrote rupture garrote then into rotation

still get pandemic on SS garrote and you dont over cap CP

[storm rock]

I thought you were supposed to vendetta before rupture?

[bold ice]

what's the reasoning behind garroting twice? does it add a bit more time to it I guess?

[prime stirrup]

i personally dont, becasue i vanish on garrote reapply. so i just let it and tb tick into both

you want to pandemic on subterfuge SS garrote. 18+18 is worse than 23+23

so by doing two garrotes on opener you get subterfuge garrote ticks for 46 seconds instead of 38

[civic palm]

Pardon?

[prime stirrup]

36**

[civic palm]

Pandemic is 30% not 100%.

[prime stirrup]

you can apply on pull for the 30% to be added to it

[civic palm]

Making the longest a Garrote can last be 24 seconds.

[prime stirrup]

thats why garrote garrote is better than garrote1x

you instantly pandemic the subterfuge garrote

[civic palm]

Yeah but where are you numbers coming from?

[storm rock]

Is Sin the way to go now since outlaw and sub nerfs hit?

[civic palm]

No.

[safe matrix]

"-Pandemic this term relates to reapplying buffs/debuffs. When a debuff (like garrote) is refreshed, its remaining time (up to a cap of 30% max duration, so 5.4s for garrote) will be added to the new buff."

[civic palm]

Wait until the TCing is done and see where the numbers come out.

[prime stirrup]

Mizerok is right, its 24sec of pandemic

[safe matrix]

so 18 seconds + 5.4 seconds is 23.4 seconds

I think, if I've done my math right

[civic palm]

Yeah that's good 👌

[keen spruce]

we almost didn't key a kings rest +3

but it counted

[storm rock]

LOL

[alpine hedge]

raiderio score

[civic palm]

getting accepted into M+'s

[alpine hedge]

rank1 raiding parses insta declined for +4 M

[storm rock]

FeelsBadMan

[civic palm]

muhWeek1Parses

Gotta get whatever edge you can to get into groups that hopefully don't blow ass.

[safe matrix]

also raiding != m+ skill a lot of the time

[alpine hedge]

even those blow ass

[civic palm]

I said hopefully > _>

[alpine hedge]

I had more success in random low ilvl no score groups

[hushed pulsar]

I decided that the 4 man premade "boosting" +5 keys would be a good idea.
I topped the dps meters by over 8%, the tank couldn't keep aggro nor pull the right amount of mobs and i'm still convinced the healer went afk regularly

[civic palm]

ok

[hushed pulsar]

Honestly, it's almost like ilvl isn't an indicator of skill or something... :^)

[alpine hedge]

haHA

[prime stirrup]

Sin rogues are incredibly good in keys right now

[inner pecan]

all 3 rogue specs are

[prime stirrup]

shroud + ToT + interrupts galore. I think we will be a fixture in high keys

[inner pecan]

imo the top 3 melee in m+ are the three rogue specs lol

[prime stirrup]

DH's

[inner pecan]

dh would be 5th on my list

4th*

[prime stirrup]

in the 10 i just did we ran sin dh and frost mage

[inner pecan]

yeah well if you already have 1 rogue it loses value

but 1 rogue of any spec is better than any other melee

[daring imp]

frost mage would do largely better if the pulls were as stupid as the sub trash+boss stacked is

[prime stirrup]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/218507222211231744/487841224875835402/WoWScrnShot_090818_002618.jpg a lot of sheep / sap and kiting

i was pb not ct

[inner pecan]

haven't pushed a 10 yet don't feel like wasting hours just yet but im at 600+ io score just from 2-3chesting all the 5s and 6s

been playing mostly sub but sometimes sin if I get bored

exs + ct tho

[prime stirrup]

i havent tried exs yet, I might give it a go on the 9key

[onyx falcon]

yea i did a 10 SoB, took about the same time

except i did it on tuesday

and it was painful

shts hard atm

[warm brook]

Doesnt +10 have another affix

[onyx falcon]

yea

this week its fort, sang, necro, infest

infest rly isnt that bad

[civic palm]

Yeah the health pool aint too bad atm.

[warm brook]

Hm we managed to get to +8 but its tough. Might not manage a 10

[onyx falcon]

just w/ fort and everyones low ilvl the trash is annoying

i mean... someone did a +16

took then 4 hours

but they did it

think another happened for +16 took hour n 15

[warm brook]

Yeah and theres like a million trash that just casts for 30 min in the pools

[onyx falcon]

i cant imagine

being in the same dungeon for 4h ours

highest timed key in the world atm is a 13

[warm brook]

Dedication

[onyx falcon]

...

i just found this

[civic palm]

ohboi

[muted quarry]

can someone help me with a raidbot question

[civic palm]

Yeah sure.

Probably.

[muted quarry]

i dont know if its right but raidbot has my DPS double to what it actually is when i play

[onyx falcon]

link the raidbots sim

[muted quarry]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/69xMnKShydByAP2jDdJnjX/simc

[civic palm]

It's probably you performing poorly or having a setting incorrect.

[safe matrix]

Raidbots assumes perfect play 5 minutes single target with optimal buffs.

[onyx falcon]

yea its normal patchwork 5 mins

so its prob just game play

[muted quarry]

i got that but almost double?

[safe matrix]

Just gotta practice 🤷

If you have logs someone might be willing to look over them and point out errors

[onyx falcon]

hai lia o/

[muted quarry]

ill work on getting some logs today

[safe matrix]

Hello

[onyx falcon]

k... is the bunny still around? i havent seen him in forever

[civic palm]

SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE

Notter is around ye.

A bunch.

Just bring up Dota.

[onyx falcon]

maybe i just keep missing him, not in here as much as i use to be

[safe matrix]

He's usually in offtopic

[onyx falcon]

didnt come in here for the last... 5ish months

[civic palm]

Yeah just hang out with us degens in off-topic, he'll pop up sooner or later.

[kindred forge]

You running Exs in M+ guys?

[prime stirrup]

10 hours LOL

[charred moat]

Glad we escaped the rogue nerfs

[alpine grotto]

Could do with a energy re-gen buff

[iron pewter]

is CT the go to in m+?

[prime stirrup]

I ran pb in freehold +10

but we were only pulling 2 mobs at a time

so ct wouldnt have done shit for me

[iron pewter]

but maybe in lower ones where you pull full packs?

[kindred forge]

Even in full packs if they are stacked I think PB would be better? Just my 2 cents

[charred moat]

CT feels like ass to me

[prime stirrup]

i dont like the CT rotations

thats what feels like ass to me

PB account for 3% of my dmg in my +10 which is fine with me

[dusk turret]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[daring imp]

shansky, if you are ever in a group that does a gazillion mobs per pull, ct is so fulfulling to use

[real night]

Subterfuge is annoying in M+ when tank chain pulls and there's no time to stealth

[proven ice]

are the other two better then?

[charred moat]

If I subterfuge garrote everything in the pull that pretty much does my most damage

[civic palm]

There were some talks in beta about using MFD+NS for applying CT on pulls, still requires stealth.

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[chilly kiln]

!wa

[tame cobalt]

is anyone using exsg build or only toxic blade everywhere?

[civic palm]

Check WCL and see > _>

[foggy socket]

maybe this is a dumb question but why does shrouded suffocation sim so high? doesnt it only buff garrote for a small duration of any fight?

[nimble gulch]

not rly

it buffs the garrote in vanish wich is very much dmg cause its a dot u have to apply

and since or able to use 2 garrotes in opener with ss and then 2 more in vanish its super dmg

[foggy socket]

right but even with subt your looking at what 3 full dots a boss maybe 4?

[nimble gulch]

Xd well u will wonder how much dmg it does

[foggy socket]

tru

[nimble gulch]

cause with 3 ss your garrote dot will be the hardest hitting dmg input on boss and adds

combined with rupture its like mental lvl of dot dmg

[pastel sandal]

how do i play when in m+ 3-5 mob grp with mfd + ct build (no ss trait). do i still garrote 3 targets, then start to rupture 3 targets, then ct?

or do i mfd into ct, garrote 2 targets, spam fok till i rupture 2 targets, spam fok ct?

[hazy iron]

Pretty sure subterfuge will still beat out MfD for m+, you can set up 3 garrotes immediately, spread some ruptures, then spam CT and refresh dots as needed

Best to sim it on hectic add cleave or something i guess

[pastel sandal]

subterfuge is not on the same row as mfd

[hazy iron]

Oh yeah good point

Im drunk, ignore me

Hows your energy if you're going mfd rather than vigor?

[pastel sandal]

i cant garrote 3x, rupture 3x, and spam ct

[strange python]

You never take mfd

Its bad

[hazy iron]

^

With vigor you can do what ever you want lol

[brave gyro]

Friendship ended with SUB & OUTLUL:

Now ASS is my best friend

@here

[hazy iron]

Please dont come here, we've avoided nerfs

Because no one played this spec

[bold ice]

I'll miss my 46k deadshot crits

[strange python]

Hello, what spec is this?

[bold ice]

Assassination!

[strange python]

What's that?

[bold ice]

Poison blood

[charred moat]

Proves that being in the middle of the pack before mythic is a good thing

Since all the top ones always get nerfed

[iron pewter]

i dont see anything about clipping for elaborate planning in any guides anymore, is that no longer a thing?

[covert quarry]

welp rerolling here cuz outlaw is ded

[charred moat]

😢

[brave gyro]

This is so sad, can we get 50 dabs? Like that SMASH button !

[jaunty lotus]

Seems to be a trend with outlaw and new expansions

[undone cairn]

god damn

[strange python]

Hello friends :))))

[undone cairn]

im in love with assa rogue

where has this been all my life

[charred moat]

free v bucks

[brave gyro]

In Antorus

[iron pewter]

and nighthold, and en

[charred moat]

Soon to be Uldir

[brave gyro]

Wasn't EN sub? cuz it SD worked with Mantle ?

already forgetting

[charred moat]

It was outlaw for like a couple of days I think

Fun times

[strange python]

EN was OL

[iron pewter]

for like a week maybe

[strange python]

After that it was Sin

[iron pewter]

similar to now

[strange python]

Dream

[daring imp]

goold old ap days

[charred moat]

Rewarded for sticking with the lowest APM spec 😎

[strange python]

Lets be honest

Playing SS exsang

[devout hamlet]

Hey guys I heard this is where to go after Tuesday where can I put my sleeping bag?

[strange python]

Is way more fun than spamming sstrom and evi

For full dungeon

[tame cobalt]

storm evi is poggers

[strange python]

Hello yes is this the only remaining channel after tuesday?

[late granite]

How is Assassination AoE?

[devout hamlet]

Shit

[strange python]

With CT its fine

[daring imp]

what

you crazy mah man

[jaunty lotus]

Does exsang work for all targets that you dotted or just one?

[strange python]

Can keep up

[main blaze]

Assn aoe is good it just takes a little ramp time

Just one target for exsang

[strange python]

And anything that isnt like 8 or more mobs

SS exsang destroys

[kindred cedar]

How do you Blow aoe as assa in m+ then?

Give me your best tips please

[main blaze]

6+ mobs is insane dps

gar x3 vanish gar x3

[strange python]

Sure if u wanna vanish

[main blaze]

Cant do that every pull but most dungeons dont have those kinds of pulls yet

[strange python]

CT carries pretty decently

[daring imp]

watch drjayfisto streaming and you'll see some crazy shit on m+ @main blaze

[strange python]

With other bleeds

[kindred cedar]

Hes playing assa?

[daring imp]

nope, mage frost but the pulls ... oh the pulls

[long bramble]

Sorry quick q, with SS do we just vanish on cooldown with 2 garrotes instead of trying to line up vanish with Vendetta?

[kindred cedar]

I do 3x garrote then ct and spam evisc?

[daring imp]

80k deeps pulls like a madman

[main blaze]

You can try to spam evisc but it wont go well for you

[bronze topaz]

Is 3 times SS needed for decent DMG?

[slender peak]

yay we didnt get da nerfs

[kindred cedar]

Envenom my bad lol

Just woke up haha

[late granite]

Sorry for the stupid question but what's CT

[long bramble]

Crimson Tempest

[late granite]

Ah right ofc

[main blaze]

Computed Tomography

[long bramble]

I'm slightly confused, ravenholdt guide says 2 garrotes with subterfuge but everyone's saying 3.. has it changed slightly?

[lethal swan]

anyone know the best sin pvp trait is?

[kindred forge]

Ok, what is SS?

[knotty oak]

Is triple SS still the best trait despite being bugged?

[main blaze]

Yeah the bug isnt that bad

[kindred forge]

Ah

azerite Shrouded

[daring imp]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[balmy condor]

the bug is only really apparent in m+

[winter gale]

Bois, how bright is our future comparing to other 2specs?

[balmy condor]

all 3 are basically equal

[winter gale]

For Uldir

[balmy condor]

my comment stands

[winter gale]

I will play it but i think other 2 are a bit better or atleast higher in deeps

[chilly obsidian]

honestly depends on the fight tho

[winter gale]

I am happy with playstyle since its moreless same as in legion

[balmy condor]

im just sad it got so much slower

[chilly obsidian]

yeah i miss my high haste 😦

[main blaze]

Assn does well on nearly all the fights, Mother is the only one that has a nice timed dps increase for sub

[winter gale]

I just hope we wont be like far behind or anything like that

[chilly obsidian]

mother for sub was actually a really fun fight

[balmy condor]

not at all

sin is holding firm

[chilly obsidian]

while others get nerfed 5% across the board, sin stands tall

[knotty oak]

How do i sim myself with two different specs?

[jaunty lotus]

Does exsang work for all targets or just the current one?

[main blaze]

one

[strange python]

sin was scaling with gear much better than 2 otehr specs even before nerf

[delicate crater]

might be a dumb question, but if I'm running CT, the idea is to just keep it up as much as possible and only Envenom when all 3 bleeds are up yes?

[main blaze]

You asked that early and got a response then as well

[strange python]

so sin will be only spec when you hit 370 ilvl

[balmy condor]

copy = name
spec = specname
talents = 214908214091264097

@knotty oak

[jaunty lotus]

Sorry didnt see the response

[knotty oak]

@balmy condor im sry that didnt help me alot, Im still pretty new to simming myself. Only know how to use raidbots to a certain extent..

[balmy condor]

you would have to learn how the simulationcraft language works to a minimal level

raidbots won't help you on this one sadly

[jaunty lotus]

Raidbots does not allow simming multiple specs afaik

[balmy condor]

need to add those lines of code and put it into advanced

[knotty oak]

so i just downloaded simulationcraft

are there any vid guides or smth?

[balmy condor]

youtube probably has some

you don't need simulationcraft though

[knotty oak]

huh

but u said raidbots didnt work ? xd

[balmy condor]

raidbots has an advanced section

if you know how the language works you can code it in yourself

I sent you a dm, we can handle it there

[magic plaza]

so is assa top spec for rogue now ? 😄

[balmy condor]

assa = sub = outlaw

[golden mulch]

hey guys do you use garrote on cd when you have 1 or more SS traits?

or only when subterfuge is up

[civic palm]

SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE

#tc-updates

Read read read

[ivory forge]

the 'simple' way to compare two specs with the gear u have is to copy the code from simc addon and just do two sims on raidbot lol

[golden mulch]

read it but it only tells me what to do in opener. and also i wanna understand why im doing that

thats why i asked

[civic palm]

try that tell me if you have more questions

Top of TB bottom is EX.

[golden mulch]

is exsang actually better now than TB?

[civic palm]

Depends on your gear and the encounter.

[golden mulch]

mythic+?

[civic palm]

They've close, and if they touch Shrouded Suffocation EX is dead.

[kindred cedar]

Why do you garr rupt garr in exsang opener?

[civic palm]

EX is probably better in M+ at higher keys due to needing targeted burst DPS.

It's explained in the sheet Joockeee.

[golden mulch]

allright thanks a lort

[long bramble]

With SS and TB do we still line up vendetta with vanish or just vanish on CD for the empowered garrotes, I would assume the second

[golden mulch]

*lot

[kindred cedar]

Oh sorry will check

[civic palm]

CT is probably better if you are pulling 3+ targets.

[glad shuttle]

where can i find the sheet?

[civic palm]

Vanish and Vendetta are gonna line up due to their 2min CDs.

It's a little further up.

[golden mulch]

alright

[kindred cedar]

I dont honestly get why we do that opener in exsang, can anyone explain? Read the image but didnt help that much

[civic palm]

atm in higher keys you might be pulling very small groups making PBOMB better.

I am just going to explain it again as I wrote it in the sheet > _>

But you want maximum duration DoTs before you use Exsanguinate.

[kindred cedar]

Oh so i do it do extend garrote duration?

[civic palm]

Yeah, same with Rupture.

[kindred cedar]

But is that when i have 3 ss traits?

[civic palm]

When you have 1+SS.

[kindred cedar]

As the TB opener i do 2x garr then rupture as I have 1x SS trait atm

[civic palm]

Guide, #tc-updates , pins.

Not research, the updates, haha

[kindred cedar]

What one of all those links to press even?

Pins and Guides everwhere in this discords

[civic palm]

Pardon?

[kindred cedar]

What of those links in updates tc thing can i find the answer then?

[civic palm]

Which question?

The No. of SS traits?

[kindred cedar]

As the TB opener i got told to do 2x garr then rupture as I have 1x SS trait atm

In that image it says garr rupture garr?

[civic palm]

G G R or G R G ends up in the same place so long you don't have terrible execution.

The goal is to get a fully empowered Garrote (from Subterfuge (talent) and Shrouded Suffocation) as it will lead to better damage.

[kindred cedar]

Ah so its mostly the same?

[civic palm]

It's entirely the same.

[kindred cedar]

Cool

If I get more ss traits. Still same opener?

[tidal jetty]

yes

[civic palm]

Yeah the first one changes things.

[strange python]

what do with gems when haste is highest simming stat for ST and lowest simming stat for multitarget

[civic palm]

Pass that is just more gas.

[kindred cedar]

Ok ty

[civic palm]

Crit is a safe gem.

[strange python]

i suppose

this is just bs tho

[civic palm]

For ST? Seems like you need more haste bud > _>"

[strange python]

yeah ST, it sucks lmao

[little frigate]

poor outlaw rogues 😦

[strange python]

Guess i'll have two sets of gear

[kindred cedar]

So we should go assa for m+ now after nerfs then? Thoughts?

[little frigate]

I kinda think so...

[kindred cedar]

Or will sub still be good?

[little frigate]

we were already pretty close

but sin requires so much effort compared to outlol

[tidal jetty]

sub is more beneficial if you play around it, but assa is hella strong atm in higher keys

[little frigate]

yeah but whenever i think about sub, i need to puke

most horribly designed spec in the game (imo of course)

[tidal jetty]

then you try deeperstrat, dark shadow and master of shadows with 5+ adds on every big guy you pull

[kindred cedar]

Okey, anyone got a guide to assa in m+? Talents, azerite traits etc? Stat prio is crit mastery in m+ for assa if i remember correctly

[tidal jetty]

feelsgoodman

[strange python]

afaik its pretty much the same Joockeee

[kindred cedar]

Ah okey

[strange python]

apart from stat prio

[little frigate]

haste till you

eh

[kindred cedar]

Hard exsang is strong tho, and im TB in singletarget etm

[little frigate]

cant think of a world that rhymes with haste

[kindred cedar]

Atm *

[strange python]

waste

[tidal jetty]

haste is kinda worthless for a lot of targets

[little frigate]

nice tech

HASTE TILL YOU WASTE

[tidal jetty]

not that wrong tho, haste until you start capping energy (and wasting it) 🤔

[kindred cedar]

Exsang is better then tb to Blow targets in m+ what i understood?

[tidal jetty]

exsang is a nice fire-and-forget ability

[little frigate]

so is TB though

[tidal jetty]

tb you have to still keep going for the full effect, risking other dots falling off on other targets

[little frigate]

most boring talent y2k

[strange python]

i hate playing with tb in m+

[little frigate]

why?

[strange python]

it feels so slow

actually not sure how to use it on trash D: do i still use it if there's 3+ mobs?

[torpid sluice]

Feels like with Sin you can have a lot more control of you aoe in higher keys with like sanguine etc.

[tidal jetty]

you can also screw yourself mightily with how bugged SS is atm 😦

checked on some dummies and 3 garrotes were doing like 80% more than 4 garrotes

ty blizz

[prime stirrup]

Isnt TB considered a DPS loss in large pack pulls? I just remember being told that once in a blue moon

If it is the case then exs would probably be the better choice

[high crypt]

fuck a nerf

[knotty oak]

did i understand the aoe rotation correctly? Rupture on 3 targets, garrote diffrent targets when avaible and apply new ct when around 3 sec. Fan of knifes and envenoms as fillers?

[prime cosmos]

o

[knotty oak]

?

[civic palm]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[warm parcel]

oh

time to check if its still scuffed

[hollow escarp]

is it fixed? I tested it and my targets get 6k damage every 1.7 sec from garrote, it ussualy is 1.5k or something

[woven bane]

is the exsang build better than the normal build? cant find the other one in the sims or somewhere else

[hollow escarp]

or that applies only if you apply on the same target? which is dumb if you already have buffed garrote

[pastel cliff]

ya its still bugged

[civic palm]

Apply to 1 target, check damage, then apply to 4 targets and check damage.

[pastel cliff]

if i apply 3 to 3 targets it ticks for 5kish if i apply a non buffed to a fourth guy they drop to 2kish

[hollow escarp]

so it drops for all of them

[warm parcel]

Still fucked

[pastel cliff]

ye all 3 buffed drop in dmg

[hollow escarp]

damn

[burnt dawn]

how do you play the exang build in m+?

[hollow escarp]

I tried it, it seems nice, but also with CT instead of PB

[burnt dawn]

does exang work for ct too?

[warm parcel]

Now my arcane outsims my rogue

[hollow escarp]

not sure, maybe for your target

[civic palm]

Ohnoooooooooo

[short oak]

is assassination top now? or is it still below sub and outlaw

[hollow escarp]

on my char, assa sims the best but that depends on your gear

[short oak]

well i dont have any daggers so rip

[hollow escarp]

well, outlaw is the best for you then

[wet apex]

any recommended streamers to watch for sin?

[hollow escarp]

Incarnated

https://www.twitch.tv/incarnated

[knotty oak]

Is SS required for exsang to be better than toxic blade=

[daring imp]

extremely likely to be the case @_@

[grizzled trail]

Best sin azerite pvp traits?

[bronze topaz]

do we use the pandemic refresh on the exsanguinated bleeds?

[knotty oak]

Can some1 explain what pandemic refresh means ? hehe

[prime stirrup]

"-Pandemic this term relates to reapplying buffs/debuffs. When a debuff (like garrote) is refreshed, its remaining time (up to a cap of 30% max duration, so 5.4s for garrote) will be added to the new buff."

[hushed cobalt]

hello should i use BtE with only 1 or 2 cp to proc deadshot or always cast it with 5 even if you dont have Ruthless Precision

[prime stirrup]

thats why you double garrote on opener

[hot oasis]

See many people going assas in myth+ aswell now, whats the deal with that?

[hushed cobalt]

wait wrong spec

[prime stirrup]

I like sin out of all specs, so i didnt bother going outlaw or sub. its always been good in keys cause multi dot = op

[smoky prism]

so exang is better than TB with only 3 SS or is 2 still good to run exang

[prime stirrup]

you deal really consistent dps on multi mob pulls

[jaunty lagoon]

yeah sin is nice, i can do near 20k dps on 3 targets sometimes

[mint osprey]

Are we always taking vigor over MFD?

Even m+?

[prime stirrup]

I currently am, but Im probably going to start testing MFD in high keys later today

[dark token]

when ur haste statweights above agi

https://i.imgur.com/Aq2H45X.png

oops too much crit

[civic palm]

Yeah you weirdo > _>

[dark token]

time to see if crit makes me an exsang god

haste is 2.0 weight, agi 1.7 hmm

[prime stirrup]

your secondary stats seem pretty low, besides that crit obviously

[dark token]

thats cause all my gear is multispec

and sub/outlaw wanted big krit

its ok i got a fat galecallers

[woven bane]

so could someone answer is exsang is only worth if you have 3x SS

[daring imp]

can you sim it? please

do you have 3x SS?

[warm parcel]

When mastery is your highest stat as sin

[prime stirrup]

Legion days

i miss my 206% mastery

[bronze topaz]

One or more Shrouded Suffocation powers for Toxic Blde
(...)
Vanish when Garrote runs out when talented into subterfuge
Garrote twice

do i understand this right, 2 globals for garrote in a row?

[daring imp]

to extend due to pandemic

[agile geode]

you think assa is gonna be the best spec now?

[bronze topaz]

so it is vanish - garrote - unused gcd - garrote ?

[prime stirrup]

@agile geode Its all about the content you are running, I thin sin will definitely move up the m+ ladder, and hopefully raid ladder too

But we will have to see how impactful the sub/OL nerfs are. RIght now they are over tuned.

Under tuned.. i dont know. they are too far ahead of other classes atm is what im saying

[torpid sluice]

Warum, think, if specced in Subterfuge, you can do Garrote twice without losing the GCD

Since it has no CD for 3secs

[gleaming kelp]

tried sin yesterday in m+

really fun

with 3xSS

[prime stirrup]

3xss is broken

I wish i could get the shrine hat for 2xSS but im kinda done running m0's hope its in my chest one of these weeks

[bronze topaz]

but if we use the 3th second of subterfuge for refreshing the subterfuge-garrote uptime expands by 1s. don't know if it is worth

[civic palm]

3th > _>

[prime stirrup]

LOL

[thorn crater]

i want a pin saying feelsgood to be underwhelming at start of expansion

[hollow escarp]

I farmed the SS chest so much and I got it from a Azerite Emissary Cache LUL

[strange python]

Is there any guide for exang already?

[thorn crater]

and a lmao next to outlaw and sub

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[strange python]

❤️

[thorn crater]

i mean wh do u mean guide

stack up ur dots to max

and use it

[civic palm]

Try that.

[strange python]

Im not talking bout rotation only

[civic palm]

Any other questions just bring them up.

[undone cairn]

What am I supposed to be doing after my opener, keep my dots up?

At specific times

[charred raptor]

Tfw you had recently did an item restoration and then blizz brings nerfs to outlaw

[strange python]

Any talent builds for m+?

[main blaze]

@undone cairn dont cap on energy, spend CPs on envenom, dont let rupture or garrote fall off

[thorn crater]

@charred raptor I KNOW im not breaking another azerite item

[civic palm]

Guide answers those questions.

Read it.

[undone cairn]

@main blaze so for aoe should I worry about the perfect timings for rupture and garrote?

[charred raptor]

@thorn crater for real. With Deadshot getting crushed and 5% overall, I might switch to assassination. But now, I have no great gear for it.

[prime stirrup]

Keep non empowered garrotes going at 5.4 seconds remaining, keep 5 CP point ruptures going at 7.2 seconds, TB on cd, mut + envenom during off time. Pool energy before vanish so you can use 3 GCDs in that window

[charred raptor]

Think I have 1 SS and 2 of the poisoned knife ones.

[civic palm]

It's mine @frigid lagoon

Roughest draft.

[thorn crater]

i got the motherlode chest for ace up ur sleeve, and then i realised I ALREADY HAD IT AND SCRAPPED ITfeelsbadman

[prime stirrup]

i have 1xSS and 2xDagger in back

its okay, really wish i could swap out dagger in back though

[charred raptor]

But yeah, I'm not scrapping anymore azerite pieces unless it's like 30 ilvl below

[civic palm]

@frigid lagoon Either copy the image or https://goo.gl/T6dY6p

[undone cairn]

Okay thanks

[main blaze]

You dont need the extra rupture for TB build

[warm parcel]

Oh man the sheet

[civic palm]

Yeah I can remove the added Rupture that's waste.

[prime stirrup]

That is a handy sheet though. ive noticed most questions are about rotations.

[warm parcel]

You dont 1cp rup tho

Without ss

[smoky prism]

is exan better than TB with SS?

[dark token]

figuring out dungeon build, how do you guys like to dps a pack with 5+ mobs?

just fok ct?

[warm parcel]

garr 3 times and go to kitchen

[civic palm]

Do note that sheet is only for SS.

[warm parcel]

come back to top dps

[undone cairn]

Oh quick question is there a way to know which garrote is empowered or not

[dark token]

ye i open garotte 3x

[civic palm]

At least CT afterwards you heathen.

[dark token]

then ct

then what, fok ct over and over?

[warm parcel]

using ct

🤢

[dark token]

ruptures?

idk

[mighty arrow]

what are the requirements stat wise for exsang vs tb?

[undone cairn]

Wait nvm

I can't read

[torpid sluice]

I dislike Ct as well ;_; Can you still play Poison Bomb in dungeons or is the difference too big to not do it? :c

[jovial kite]

@warm parcel

i need your love right now

[warm parcel]

Its not here right now

[jovial kite]

can you go get it ?

theres a dps up

[warm parcel]

Should be back by next tuesday