assassination

[primal violet]

yah i dont know how they did the rogue and mages nerfs w/o addressing BM yet

they said they will, butt for the weekend BM are going to dominate

[candid phoenix]

i mean i understand rogue priest isnt strong anymore cus of shared DRs

[versed osprey]

Bm hunters are the problem not assa needing help

[candid phoenix]

but using 6 sec kidney on BM and dieing to the pets

is not viable

[primal violet]

well as sin if u face a holy pally ur kind of fucked too, especially if ur not blood elf, and especially if that holy pally is a dwarf

(i am triggered cause of a dark iron dwarf holy pally i faced last night)

[candid phoenix]

and the fact that Hpala does more dmg than my Disc priest

is also annoying

and its not like my Disc isnt trying

[versed osprey]

What rating?

[candid phoenix]

we reached 2k MMR, but then we started facing only BM/Pala, BM/Druid, BM/Disc

[versed osprey]

Oh god

[candid phoenix]

so we tanked MMR down to 1700 which is also our rating

[versed osprey]

Im climbing there now

[candid phoenix]

impossible to face them

[versed osprey]

Already seeing increase

[candid phoenix]

i won only 1 game vs BMs today

cus that BM was not very high IQ

[versed osprey]

Iv yet to win vs bm

[candid phoenix]

killed his Pet and he used Turtle to revive it

so easy kill after

[deft locust]

yeah..

bms are a pretty nasty counter atm

[candid phoenix]

and warrior is rly broken atm

[versed osprey]

Revive pet cast time feels to short

[candid phoenix]

he has sustain and burst dmg

[deft locust]

I haven't had many problems with warrior though, at least as outlaw

[candid phoenix]

which is total BS

[stuck shuttle]

me and my BM hunter in 3s blow up warriors

[deft locust]

yeah, but we have burst, sustain, and much more utility as a rogue

I don't think they outclass us

[stuck shuttle]

full kidney in smoke bomb

gg

[deft locust]

yep

Smoke bomb alone makes us super powerful

[candid phoenix]

it sounds easy yes

but u need to prepare a lot to get this

[deft locust]

Yeah, but that's a rogue

it's a very high skill cap class

in arena

[civic palm]

Yeah but that's rogue...

[autumn bloom]

rogue priest is a really good combo

you dont share drs

priest has fears

[candid phoenix]

i udnerstand that and obviously i m not a top rogue

i place myself a little above average

but still

BM made me so mad today i wanted to quit game

[autumn bloom]

rogue priest is i think second only to rogue mage for 2s

[candid phoenix]

Warriors were hard but i won vs a lot of them

[autumn bloom]

like, all star comp

[candid phoenix]

Priest rogue is nerfed to the ground

[autumn bloom]

...uhhh

[versed osprey]

Priest rogue feels fine for me idk

[candid phoenix]

cus of wow community being 12yo kids who play hunters and need to be able to beat it

Fear/MC /Blind same DR

[autumn bloom]

no

they're not

[candid phoenix]

u cant make big CC chains anymore

yes they are

[torn locust]

I'm on my way to greatness boys

[autumn bloom]

and you dont fear and blind the same target homie

[civic palm]

If only that was good.

[candid phoenix]

i m sorry ROomba but this trinket Sucks

[autumn bloom]

you have him fear out of your kidney

to get the sap

[stuck shuttle]

lol

if only D:

then i wouldnt feel so bad about my 370 one

[civic palm]

Might get buffed Tuesday.

Who knows.

[torn locust]

How does it suck? 😮

[autumn bloom]

in fact a half dur kidney and half dur fear is like

[civic palm]

It performs worse than 330 trinkets.

[stuck shuttle]

370 = 340 gale callers

[autumn bloom]

the perfect chain to get someone out of combat

[candid phoenix]

ye mizerok we are trying to do that, but u dont have the luxury of CCing some1 for 16 secs anymore to finisj some1

[versed osprey]

Will assa get buffed tuesday?

[candid phoenix]

Paladins can chain CC solo for 13 sec

[autumn bloom]

...so can rogues!

[stuck shuttle]

doubt were getting buffed

[opaque grotto]

Assa doesn’t need a buff LOL

[versed osprey]

😦

[opaque grotto]

The fuck

[civic palm]

We're not, raid trinkets might.

[stuck shuttle]

yeah the raid trinkets are ass

[civic palm]

Raid trinkets probably should > _>

[stuck shuttle]

who the fuck created them

thinking theyre good

[opaque grotto]

The interns were in charge of trinkets

[autumn bloom]

EN had better trinkets than uldir

[stuck shuttle]

how is my 370 trinket being outsimmed by a 340

[torn locust]

So [Dead-Eye Spyglass] > my new shiny 360 trinket? D:

[autumn bloom]

it's VERY strange

[candid phoenix]

especially that Ghuun trinket

[civic palm]

They undertune them on purpose.

[versed osprey]

I dont want a raid trinket i want freehold dice so i can play assa and roleplay as a outlaw

[candid phoenix]

i rather use TItan trinket from antorus

[civic palm]

The trinkets are easy to balance after the class tuning has been done, and on top of all of that the trinkets are rather bland as is.

So there's little chance of them just breaking.

[versed osprey]

True

They went super safe with trinkets

[civic palm]

It's the beginning of an expansion > _>

Duh.

[versed osprey]

En trinkets sucked aswell if i remember right

[candid phoenix]

@torn locust i m using Galecallers and Dead-eye, both 340. yday i got 355 electromental jar with socket and it sims higher so i m gonna use it over dead-eye in the next raid

[versed osprey]

My mage didnt want any en trinket

[civic palm]

If you're expecting cool shit from the first raid I dunno what you're on.

[versed osprey]

Then they all needed a buff

[civic palm]

and then the broken shit came.

[versed osprey]

They could at least be viable

[autumn bloom]

wtb CoF

[candid phoenix]

fuck COF

[autumn bloom]

cof was the shit

[civic palm]

CoF for Vendetta would be dope, though it would also disjoint Vanish/Vendetta and that's baaaaaad.

[candid phoenix]

Give us Draught of Souls

😄

[civic palm]

Making CoF now, very bad.

[autumn bloom]

CoF for vanish

[civic palm]

CoF for Vanish, nerf SS into the ground.

:3

[autumn bloom]

3xSS becomes best pvp setup in the game

[civic palm]

Welcome to Balance.

[autumn bloom]

LOL

[tight nimbus]

Thanos car.

[candid phoenix]

#vote Draught of Souls for president

[civic palm]

What you people want stupid shit? > _>

[autumn bloom]

there's some version of vial of ceaseless toxins in every xpac i think

that one is usually pretty baller

[civic palm]

We just need some fat AGI trinket.

Yaknow...

[autumn bloom]

haha

[civic palm]

no stat sticks yet... > _>

[autumn bloom]

i got a socketed pvp trinket

[civic palm]

Thanks Blizz.

[autumn bloom]

both of them actually

so im using those

[civic palm]

haha

[autumn bloom]

+1000 agi

not too bad

[bold ice]

Would running 2 SS and the engi helm with synaptic spark capacitor trait be fine? or is it recommended to run 3 SS?

[civic palm]

Is it better than your other options?

[autumn bloom]

i think 3xSS is the best setup for pve

[civic palm]

For now.

[bold ice]

Currently yes, i've been maining outlaw but have some nice daggers so I'm contemplating a change

[primal violet]

they should just double the numbers on that construct overcharger

double the haste that is

not the agility part

[civic palm]

mmm, it's already fine.

Doesn't need double.

[stuck shuttle]

@bold ice depends on the ilvl of your 3rd piece

[primal violet]

umm i have 350 loaded dice that seems higher than a 370 heroic raid trinket

its not fine

why is a heroic trinket worse than a trinket from a +4

[stuck shuttle]

@bold ice i gave up 3xSS for a 370 Helm

[civic palm]

Right but it doesn't need its' numbers DOUBLED.

[bold ice]

@stuck shuttle they'd all be 340's

[stuck shuttle]

@bold ice then 3xSS is the way to go

[primal violet]

well i just want that since i already have it

[bold ice]

Don't have a helm with SS somehow

[candid phoenix]

@primal violet well why is a 340 galecaller better than a mythic Taloc trinket?

i mean my sims tell me that M Taloc trinket gives me 25 dps increase

KAPPA

[civic palm]

Movement ruins that trinket, so there's that.

[strange python]

are we supposed to pool energy or do we just spam mutilate on cd

[stuck shuttle]

youre supposed to pool at the right times

not just blindly spamming abilities

[candid phoenix]

so far mizerok i had no problems with it in the raid, i jsut find the open 10 secs to use it

when the boss wont be moved

[strange python]

yup

[primal violet]

@candid phoenix thas why they should just double the haste

[strange python]

i found it helpful on mother too with the winds actually

[primal violet]

so its actually good

[wild lagoon]

1 minute cooldown isn't the worst

[candid phoenix]

@primal violet totally agree, but then u gonna get galecaller 370+ from M+ and ur abck to square one

so why would blizz bother?

[primal violet]

well at least they are same item level then

[candid phoenix]

ahah

[stuck shuttle]

yeah a 340 > 370 is not right

[primal violet]

the fact that 340-350 item level trinkets are better than 370-385 trinkets from heroic/mythic difficulties of a raid is ridiculous

[stuck shuttle]

getting an upgrade that isnt an upgrade

[candid phoenix]

i m more sad about SS actually

i feel such an idiot for saying this but i want them to nerf SS

[primal violet]

they need to buff twist the blade, that trait would be a lot of fun

[civic palm]

No need to atm.

[candid phoenix]

i m using 3xSS on 340 items

[civic palm]

For now, yeah.

[primal violet]

nerfing is the problem

[candid phoenix]

if i get 3 raid tiers, my sims drop by 250 dps

[primal violet]

they need to buff the weaker traits, not nerf the strong ones

[bold ice]

I wish that all slots had different traits... So you can't stack 3 of one... Seems lazy

[candid phoenix]

if i get 3 heroic tiers, my sims increase by 100 dps

[strange python]

yeah what ricin said

[civic palm]

You won't be stacking 3.

[stuck shuttle]

i replaced one of my SS traits with a Heroic Helmet

DPS went up 300

sooo

[candid phoenix]

but only in raid

not in M+ 😄

[primal violet]

3 SS is really just ideal for mythic plus

[candid phoenix]

another idiotic design

[civic palm]

You're gonna get the raid chest, the shoulders, I think, for array and then whatever else you can.

[primal violet]

id love to have 3 twist the knives for raid if it was actually good

[stuck shuttle]

i still have my 3rd ss helm for M+ so np

[bold ice]

I wish double dose was good. I like poisons

[civic palm]

It is good...

[strange python]

just not good enough right now

[primal violet]

scent of blood is the most boring trait ever

whoever thought of that should be fired

[bold ice]

Is that the agility per rupture?

[strange python]

3rd or 4th best isnt it, i dont remember exactly

[primal violet]

yah

[civic palm]

Literally Top 5.

But no it's not good.

_>"

IF IT'S NOT NUMBER 1 IT'S BAD

[strange python]

nobody said its bad

[civic palm]

Right just "not good".

[autumn bloom]

well

[bold ice]

I kinda did

Lol

[autumn bloom]

msot traits are bad compared to

3xss

[strange python]

just because something isnt good doesnt mean its bad

[autumn bloom]

sure it does

[civic palm]

Yeah don't look at other classes > _> they've got it rough atm.

[autumn bloom]

bad as a word only has meaning when thought of in relation to something that is good

choosing an option that is worse than another option makes calling that option bad perfectly reasonable

[strange python]

ehh

i suppose so yeah

[bold ice]

I'm not saying double dose is crap tier or anything, just no reason to use it over ss

[autumn bloom]

unless we're using bad to mean harmful

[civic palm]

Also Scent of Blood is fine get outta here.

[autumn bloom]

in which case no azerite traits are bad

because none cause loss of dps to my knowledge

[civic palm]

The reason to use it over SS is that you don't have 385 SS pieces.

[autumn bloom]

unless u do 😄

[civic palm]

GL 👌

[autumn bloom]

i have the 370 chest from uldir

has SS on it

[civic palm]

Yarp.

The one piece.

That is easy to get.

[strange python]

bit unrelated but, with the ss build, master poisoner is better than intent to kill right

i think thats what its called

[civic palm]

What?

[autumn bloom]

intent to kill is a pvp talent from uh

legion

[strange python]

o

uhh

[autumn bloom]

u mean EP

[civic palm]

SIM yourself, MP isn't winning over EP most of the time.

[autumn bloom]

?

[primal violet]

raid drop, easy to get, OMEGALUL

[strange python]

middle talent first row

[primal violet]

once a week per difficult chance to get it, but easy

[autumn bloom]

elaborate planning

i have never had MP sim hihger

[strange python]

yes

[autumn bloom]

but YMMV

[civic palm]

Raid drops are easy to get when you look at how you acquire M+ AA pieces.

[primal violet]

eh, they were easy to get with master loot

with this personal looot bs, not so much

[civic palm]

Still easy.

[primal violet]

but thats a whole different story

eh i dunno, i got 1 drop from uldir so far and cleared normal and 3/8 heroic...and thats the shit trinket from taloc

[civic palm]

M+ AA is gigaPersonalLoot.

[strange python]

havent got a piece of loot so far except ghuun trinket

[primal violet]

really bad luck

[civic palm]

Raid PL is just normal shit.

Yeah I've seen, 2 pieces from Uldir and I had to bonus for one.

[primal violet]

meanwhile some shitter that died on every fight and got kicked from teh guild got a 370 dagger from mother

[civic palm]

Happens bud.

[strange python]

i got some sweet ap for my rolls

[civic palm]

Welcome to MMOs.

[primal violet]

even tho the raid leader would have 100% given to me

[civic palm]

That's cute.

[primal violet]

im just saying, it was better w/ master loot

[civic palm]

Yeah because you were getting the loot.

👌

[primal violet]

yah, cause ive been in teh guild and still in the guild

and im not some trial that gets kicked day 1

so i should have gotten it

[strange python]

yup

[autumn bloom]

yeah fuck that guy

[civic palm]

GL to him in the future with his loot.

and GL to you in the future with your loot.

[strange python]

good luck to all of us with loot

[civic palm]

If he's getting kicked from raids/guilds his chances of getting continued loot are worse than you.

[primal violet]

im just bitter, not like we didnt have persona loot before, but why cant a guild disperse loot the way they see fit

[civic palm]

This is a long-term game.

[strange python]

im hoping to get that dagger from hc mom since ive not got anything so far

[civic palm]

LG

GL as well.

[strange python]

my good boy points have been piling up

[autumn bloom]

tbh any game that doesnt have personal loot

[civic palm]

But buy an LG while you are at it.

[autumn bloom]

in the year of our lord 2018

i am side eyeing

[stuck shuttle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oekXbmNEhmVuvsCKbeNJ2V

[strange python]

i dont want personal loot, or master loot

[stuck shuttle]

???

[strange python]

i want me loot

it all goes to me

all of it

[stuck shuttle]

tb and exsang sim for the same??

wtf

[civic palm]

Sure.

[autumn bloom]

i want exsang to sim well for me

i should retry it with my sub pvp build

with 0 haste and too much mastery and crit

[civic palm]

EX is just better, disregard the sims.

[strange python]

for me they sim almost the same too but i found exsang to be more fun so im just running that

[tender walrus]

Why disregard the sims?

[autumn bloom]

because they all say exsang sims lower :[

[tender walrus]

Simulationcraft's says exsg sims higher

On that gearset

[civic palm]

Mostly because they need to be an applicable model to matter in the first place. They're perfect if you find yourself within the scenario that you are simming, but you don't from time-to-time.

[stuck shuttle]

on my set?

[random skiff]

simcraft has exang better at T22 and pre raid now

[civic palm]

Right but they're not doing the sims in your gear.

[random skiff]

for me right now its only 14 lower

[spice surge]

So do the sims in your own gear? 🤔

[random skiff]

but my dps on dummy targets has gone up alot

unbuffed

[umbral crescent]

Any tips for SotS M+? Any good places to use shroud of concealment?

[random skiff]

on the bridge

you can clear the fish at the end insatead

theres plenty

make sure you clear both sides of the room after the bridge tho

[umbral crescent]

the bridge before stormsong?

[random skiff]

yeah

[umbral crescent]

nice

[random skiff]

distract one group

[umbral crescent]

many thanks

[civic palm]

Yeah there's a lot of stealth detection there other than on the bridge.

[subtle imp]

iin m+ you garrote 3 times with ss even if it caps right?

or do you double garrote and rupture 1

assuming 3+ mobs

[deft locust]

if 3+ mobs

ss 3 times

[subtle imp]

alright cool

[crude hinge]

so...does SS actually stack

the damage.

[civic palm]

_>

[crude hinge]

right but ive been hearing that it doesnt

[strange python]

have they fixed the bug though

with ss

[civic palm]

Not yet.

AFAIK

[crude hinge]

i was pretty sure they did..

[civic palm]

Different bug.

[strange python]

i hope its fixed before mythic

at the very least

[civic palm]

Yeah I am hoping they have not pushed the fix due to there being a larger patch coming up and it's just gonna be in there.

[strange python]

likewise

[crude hinge]

whats the bug with SS now?

[autumn bloom]

nonempowered garrote removes all your empowered garrotes

turns them nonempowered

[strange python]

especially annoying in m+

[crude hinge]

no wonder!

[civic palm]

Just check the pins > _>

[verbal sorrel]

whats the bug with SS now?

dont kill me

[civic palm]

I will only kill you if you ask that question in earnest, right after seeing the answer.

[verbal sorrel]

buttt whats the bug lmao

[civic palm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/name-montoya-inigo-n3Gd6Yrg27q8

That goes on far longer than I wanted it to.

[fossil jewel]

Hey all. I am currently playing outlaw, but getting annoyed with rtb, and thinking about switching to Assassination. Was wondering how you guys think they perform in M+ and raids as somoene that is new to rogue this xpac

[potent forge]

Depend on dungeon

[delicate root]

personally been smashing m+ with sin today

[strange python]

good

[potent forge]

Kings rest is great

[delicate root]

boss fights are short enough for 3xSS + Exsang to be awesome

[fossil jewel]

ss?

[flint zodiac]

Serious question, why are people stacking thee SS in a raid scenario, and why is it good?
Seems like the only time to benefit from the bonus damage is on pull, and on 2 min vanish CD. Seems like other 'consistent' traits should be hypothetically better...

[delicate root]

SS = Shrouded Suffocation - azerite trait

[fossil jewel]

ah, yeah

shouldve known that 😛 i have 2xSS atm

[delicate root]

@flint zodiac its powerful enough to carry that downtime

[autumn bloom]

it's a lot of damage jesse

using vanish right you can have it up

[delicate root]

the sims don't lie

[civic palm]

While it would be nice for you to be hypothetically correct, the math works out in their favor otherwise.

[autumn bloom]

for the first 40ish seconds of the fight

[strange python]

garrote is like 40% of my dmg lmao

[flint zodiac]

Well damn I better get on farming the right gear

[sick yoke]

what enchants are yall using for your daggers

[civic palm]

[strange python]

quick and deadly navi

[delicate root]

doesn't matter which hand they're on

[strange python]

o

heard it does

[opaque tree]

yeah wtf.. the hand doesn't matter

[strange python]

oh well

[sick yoke]

i know what i am 'supposed' to use, just curious if someone has a different approach

[strange python]

yes yes sorry

[civic palm]

...

[delicate root]

@sick yoke do you also like homeopathic medicine? 😛

[verbal sorrel]

executioner from tbc seems to top charts

[civic palm]

[verbal sorrel]

I dont care about sims

its what the heart wants

[sick yoke]

medicine?

lol

[verbal sorrel]

ye

[crude hinge]

i have a quick question..why do we open with garrote rupture garrote mut ruptrue again..and then go into vendetta and tb?

doesnt it make sense to just garrote 3 times and then rupture>?

[civic palm]

Because you're using Exsanguinate.

[crude hinge]

i am using tb.

[civic palm]

Didn't see TB, same result.

Long Rupture.

[delicate root]

you get full pandemic on rupt this way

[civic palm]

What does casting the third Garrote do?

[crude hinge]

refreshes the garrote?

[civic palm]

That is already max length?

[delicate root]

the 2nd one does that

[tall pelican]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[burnt kernel]

wtf

[civic palm]

?

[storm eagle]

Is it just personal preference between TB and Exsan?

[civic palm]

There's ~100DPS difference.

Use your head.

[flint zodiac]

😦

[burnt kernel]

okay, anyway. How are people getting way more dps using Exsan over TB? there are sims going around. But yet I am showing a major loss in dps? someone isn't doing something right in sims?

[civic palm]

Better use.

[autumn bloom]

does exsang affect stat prio

[civic palm]

Not that I have seen.

EX vs TB is ~100DPS difference in a vacuum.

If you are seeing "major loss" I am not sure what you are looking at.

[burnt kernel]

http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T22_Raid.html

[torn locust]

:\

[lone junco]

Exsang SS. Is more brutal if you mess up your 2min sync A mut/env tb base is easier to run.

[torn locust]

340 trinket upgrade to 360 i LOSE 26 dps 😦

[lone junco]

Shitty trinkets gonna shit.

[burnt kernel]

that sim craft is showing a major boost to sub lvl ST

[lone junco]

Sub is better st sim.

[torn locust]

Wait people are running Exsan instead of toxic blade now?

[civic palm]

Some might be.

[lone junco]

Some.

Probably 5-15% of logs.

But you can see that on wcl.

[elder venture]

Exsang seems like it should be stronger if you have 3x SS

[lone junco]

The very top vectis ranked 3 with exsang.

Seems

[crude hinge]

exang as always confused me to hell

[lone junco]

But what really matters is the 20s. 220s 420s. 620s alignments.

Press garrote a few times anx rupture. Then vendetta exsang. And wait 9 sec. done.

[crude hinge]

probably better for raid thatn mythic plus

[lone junco]

Vanish ns rupture was the superior exsang.

No. M+ is godly

[strange python]

ive been playing wrong all this time

maaaaan

[crude hinge]

exang is better for mythic plus?

[lone junco]

3ss with fat cleave. And godly 15s prio

[delicate root]

been hitting 20k+ dps on m+ bosses

[autumn bloom]

rip 3x MA relics

[lone junco]

Just play it yourself. Once you stop with the garrote bug you will see.

[autumn bloom]

vendetta EVERY exsang

[lone junco]

20k ez.

[crude hinge]

I did stop and i found the SS damage to be crazy yeah I get 18k out of it every time.

so exang applies to everyone who has a bleed?

[lone junco]

No. St only.

[delicate root]

no

[strange python]

if only....

[civic palm]

wut

[torn locust]

Maybe its a case to case different changing from toxic blade to exsang makes me lose about 450dps in sims, but i only have 1 SS trait

[reef hornet]

What haste do we need as a sin rogue to do some good dmg?

[crude hinge]

so what did you mean @lone junco when you said 3ss with fat cleave and godly 15s prio

[stuck shuttle]

@reef hornet there is no magic number

[potent forge]

At least 5 haste

[stuck shuttle]

yeah atleast 5

definitely

Kappa

[potent forge]

Maybe 6

[elder venture]

How do you deal with the SS bug?

[stuck shuttle]

dont put a 4th garrote

[civic palm]

@crude hinge With 3 Shrouded Suffocation traits Garrote does very high damage to 3 targets (a cleave scenario) and when burst is required Exsanguinate provides ~15s of large burst damage on a single target.

[stuck shuttle]

until the first 3 rtun out

[elder venture]

ah so just let it run out

[crude hinge]

thanks.

[stuck shuttle]

i thought i saw somewhere here saying they fixed it

but i could be wrong

[civic palm]

I imagine the pins would be updated or #tc-updates would make mention of it.

[unborn knot]

Sub and outlaw hit with 5% nerf

[violet sonnet]

I thought you didnt want to stack SS?

[crude hinge]

seems like you do.

garrote damage gets ridiculous

[civic palm]

Wut

[stuck shuttle]

where is this info @unborn knot

[crude hinge]

what do you mean what? you do stack 3 SS traits..

[strange python]

they got some nerfs in pvp but idk if this is it

[unborn knot]

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20768986779

[stuck shuttle]

oh baby

[strange python]

oo

[stuck shuttle]

thats it then

[unborn knot]

On reset

[stuck shuttle]

sin is king

lol

5% is fat

including the hotfixes they just put in

[civic palm]

WHELP

handshakes

[stuck shuttle]

inb4 "sub is trash"

[civic palm]

haha

[deft locust]

lol

I knew

they wouldn't nerf sin

feels bad

[delicate gull]

alright im here, an always sin player to begin with kappa

[dull root]

I knew they would nerf outlaw and sub

[civic palm]

BTW @deft locust @stuck shuttle is there anything wrong about this notation?

[dull root]

Thats why I played sin from day one lol

[civic palm]

That's not why you did.

Don't lie to yourself > _>

[violet sonnet]

I played sub then combat then assas

havent tried outlaw

[deft locust]

uh

that looks pretty correct sir

[stuck shuttle]

looks good to me

[civic palm]

Turns out people need some explaining.

[real night]

Woohoo assassin not touched by nerfs!

[stuck shuttle]

sub channel going crazy right now

lol

[civic palm]

5% FUCK THIS

UGH

AHHHHHHHHH

[deft locust]

you outlaw?

😮

or sub

[civic palm]

Wonder if we're getting trinket buffs on tuesday though.

[strange python]

same rotation if you use exsang instead of tb, correct?

[civic palm]

Kinda.

[deft locust]

pretty much idjot, garrote rupture garrote mut vend rupt exsang, or is it vend mut?

I can't recall

if you energy cap

testing too many outlaw builds atm x_x

[civic palm]

Capping is pretty unlikely.

and MUT DMG is so low that I do not think that it matters.

[deft locust]

You might still wanna push out that vend tho for an extra garrote tick on your re-vanish

yeah

[strange python]

sure thing

[deft locust]

so prolly mut before vend

[dark token]

Welp

I'm prepping my poisons

Bye outlaw and sub

[storm eagle]

Can i see the exsanguinate opener if possible?

[crude hinge]

HERE THEY COME...RUN!!!

[dark token]

Already got 3SS

I'm ready

[deft locust]

Outlaw is still fine

DS might be dead

[real night]

Sin = FOTM?

[deft locust]

but Snake eye rtb is untouched almost

[dark token]

Snake rtb omegalul

[deft locust]

it was

4% less dps on sims

than ds

[storm eagle]

@civic palm thanks ❤

[deft locust]

and it didn't receive that big ass nerf

[dark token]

Sin has more ST now on my character

Snake eye rtb maybe on stuff like zul and zekthoz

[delicate gull]

yeah gonna need an APL for exsanguinate build pls, hello sin players

[deft locust]

yeah pretty much frozen, sin is just gonna be better for ST and cleave

for large aoe outlaw can still pull ahead

[somber egret]

when does mastery stacking make MP really good agian?🤔

[civic palm]

Never.

Probably.

[deft locust]

yeah

never is correct

[lucid ledge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[crude hinge]

EP reings supreme

[deft locust]

no AP poison

no Kingsbane

[civic palm]

The EX APL is already a thing.

[deft locust]

no scaling on MP

[lucid ledge]

those wa suck!

[civic palm]

Your WA suck > _>

[lofty sand]

I used MP for a while when I had like 890 mastery and it didn't feel good at all, the only good thing about MP is the added effect on the secondary poisons

[civic palm]

Stack Vanish and Vendetta as much as you can, EX in there when it lines up later on.

[strange python]

all this is really confusing

[crude hinge]

ikr

[civic palm]

What's up bud?

[strange python]

all these images you post, i dont understand shit

[fiery merlin]

#sinrising?

[lean fox]

Do both weapons proc enchantments equally? Or should better stat go on main hand?

[coral meteor]

I was enjoying the peace and quiet in here 😦

[lofty sand]

That last one is really easy to understand bud, its the timestamps on things you should be doing

align buffs and such

[stuck shuttle]

same

[strange python]

oh i see

[stuck shuttle]

i enjoyed the quieter channel

now all the rogues going to flock into the channel

FOTM here we come

[civic palm]

The lack of quite was what I was alluding to earlier.

[coral meteor]

Ye fak sake

[civic palm]

I will answer all your questions until there are too many > _>

[lofty sand]

FAQ is there for it just tell people to

[coral meteor]

Mizerok run, save yourself, and maybe your waifu.

[strange python]

i started playing in legion and just tried to play, started getting more into all this in bfa so its all new for me

[heady vapor]

i wouldn't consider assassination "fotm", just "most alright out of the 3"

disc priest, BM hunter, now that's fotm

[fiery merlin]

Is Sin even "most alright out of the 3" now?

[heady vapor]

yeah no it's not

[lofty sand]

Is 5% nerf on sub really enough to get them running from it?

[fiery merlin]

5% is massive but sub, especially for M+ was siginficantly ahead.

[strange python]

bm is fuckin nuts lol

[stuck shuttle]

5% + the 10% to BitS

thats pretty fat

[heady vapor]

i feel like outlaw's strong point was deadshot stacking and that is now murdered

• 5% nerf

[lofty sand]

Sub has been top dog for a while I doubt its ever going to be garbage again, it seems to me that blizzard has really found a good version of the spec

[heady vapor]

back to just being a pirate meme spec but hopefully not

[delicate gull]

sub also got a BiTS nerf on top of that tho

[strange python]

im so rarely picked for m+ as sin, whenever i'm whispered after queueing for something and i tell them my spec, declined more often than not

hopefully its better now

hi

im fresh assas reroll

welcome be all

[stuck shuttle]

lol

[strange python]

oh wait

[stuck shuttle]

here it comes

[strange python]

welcome to my spec

jk fuck your boring ass spec

[heady vapor]

OI

[sweet flame]

rood

[strange python]

[frank sentinel]

LOL

[strange python]

[frank sentinel]

Gottem

[delicate gull]

exsanguinate is fun 😄

[strange python]

gottem good

[stuck shuttle]

lol

[lofty sand]

I had no problem with assassination so far when queueing, most people dont even look at spec they look at ilvl.

[heady vapor]

permaslowing your enemies > bursting them

sin still the greatest asshole spec

[stuck shuttle]

just cause sub got nerfed , doesn't mean you have to flame the channel

[strange python]

yeah perhaps my experience is just bad or unlucky

well, it is

sorry

[delicate gull]

im all for sin being best, as long as i get to play rogue

[violet sonnet]

My guild has 1 rogue of each spec.

I don't really see people not take the other specs.

[strange python]

didnt mean to hurt the great assassination spec

btw is hemorrhage viable?

[civic palm]

Nope.

[strange python]

[undone cairn]

time to be an ass rogue

poggers

[delicate root]

forgot hemo even existed 😅

[civic palm]

Mostly because it doesn't exist :3

[strange python]

gottem haa

[heady vapor]

anyone tried a bleed build with 3 garrote traits in pvp?

[violet sonnet]

not yet

[civic palm]

Yes it's just as good as you would expect.

[delicate root]

heard its p.sick

[heady vapor]

aw yea

already got 2/3 traits but didn't even get to test it out tonight

[lofty sand]

well you guys were right about the peace and quiet, I think I liked it better when we got the odd outlaw telling us we sucked because we didnt do 30k dps on heroic trash mobs

[torn locust]

Now look whos laughing

hahaha

<-- me im laughing

[heady vapor]

<- me also

[lofty sand]

I'm pretty confident they can still do 30k on critters

[noble dove]

GG bois

[heady vapor]

ok time to become ass rogue

[noble dove]

get ready to dominate the tier

[hushed sphinx]

I for one welcome my new sin overlords

[undone cairn]

yes

the switch is now

time to learn

[delicate root]

I knew my 355 gale trink would come in handy

[strange python]

im laughing

in a dumpster

i welcome you all (unless you are a sub/outlaw maim thats moving over)

[lofty sand]

here comes a gazillion questions about SS.

[strange python]

whats the ss bug??????

[lofty sand]

time to tab out forever

[strange python]

shadowstrike?

[autumn bloom]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[civic palm]

Get your FOTM crap outta here > _>

[humble igloo]

ye because it's so complex

[stuck shuttle]

i already miss the quit in here

[civic palm]

Both openers -

Issues @stuck shuttle ?

[strange python]

thank youuuu

[stuck shuttle]

looks clean to me buddy

[heady vapor]

okay

i have become one

[civic palm]

I just need something to spam at people with questions > _>

[heady vapor]

https://i.imgur.com/UchNIJA.png

me like this word

[civic palm]

It's quite a bit of damage.

[torn locust]

@civic palm what exactly is the "pandemic window"?

[civic palm]

Stack Galecallers.

[heady vapor]

this is useful, thanks @civic palm

[solid parrot]

pandemic lets you reapply a dot and not lose the overwritten time within a threshold

[civic palm]

If you apply a bleed while the dot has 30% or less time remaining then the duration of your existing dot will be added to your new dots total duration.

[kind roost]

shrouded suffocation stacking doesnt give extra cp just extra garrote damage right

[civic palm]

Correct.

[stuck shuttle]

just damage

[undone cairn]

ss is still bis trait with the bug right?

[kind roost]

and stacking 3 is still the best az traits?

[heady vapor]

inb4 next hotfix SS gets turned into hot garbage because fun was detected

please no

[strange python]

dont jinx it

[stuck shuttle]

look at all these new names in here

🤔

[kind roost]

the nerfs are real

[strange python]

let the refugees in

[deft locust]

lol hecktix

Don't worry friends

If you think sin won't be touched before the end of this month

you'll be in for a surprise

[wet apex]

coming here now. new home

[deft locust]

I can't see them not nerfing SS

[calm jackal]

hi

[civic palm]

Pandemic: The act of refreshing a DoT while it is under 30% of it's maximum duration. This will allow you to add the remaining time to the new DoT (this only works 1 time and cannot be stacked).

[calm jackal]

is it the spec for progress ?

[hushed sphinx]

what do you guys do with the slow energy regen though

drives me nuts

[civic palm]

Remember you're not Enhancement.

[noble dove]

get more secondary stats

[stuck shuttle]

if they touch SS, atleast i'll have 1 week of mythic progs with it

😛

[calm jackal]

enhance what ?

[lofty sand]

You stop mashing buttons because you're not a fury warrior

[kind roost]

Is there a weakaura/add on people use for 30% bleed stacking?

[strange python]

^

[stuck shuttle]

no

[undone cairn]

@wet apex are you switching now or when the update drops?

lul

[stuck shuttle]

and yes

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[kind roost]

which would you recommend

[stuck shuttle]

its preference really

they're all good

[calm jackal]

hopefully , I have the uldir heroic chest with ss trait

[kind roost]

cool thanks :]

[wet apex]

now

[coral meteor]

Honestly I don't even feel slow energy regen

lol

[civic palm]

Mine are best no bias.

[kind roost]

Ill choose yours then :]

[lofty sand]

its because if you play sin for long enough you realise that pooling energy and downtime is part of the spec

not a problem, a feature.

[civic palm]

It's designed as such.

More NRG just means more ENV casts and that's boring.

[kind roost]

I love that Oi Poisons WA

perfect for me :3

[frank shard]

im simming 12.9k dps as sin right now, im loving this spec

[civic palm]

I think I have an update that restricts them to only showing in groups but I need to push the commit.

[kind roost]

Glad I have an excuse to go sin again, it felt so fucking awful as a fresh 120

but now that most of us are heroic M+ gear it should feel good again im hoping

[civic palm]

Just play it, no need for a reason > _>

[kind roost]

*heroic/M+

[lofty sand]

wtheck it felt normal

[fleet whale]

have sin gear in my bags, one SS and two double dose, not the greatest but hey, it ain't too bad

[kind roost]

How can you say it feels normal when you go from 40% haste to 8%

cmon dude lmao

[tranquil wave]

blizz decided im an assassination rogue player now

[civic palm]

You decided that > _>

[lofty sand]

thats because crazy antorus assassination wasnt the normal

lmao

[dull cargo]

I just hit 343 and assassination now feels as it should in world content

[kind roost]

fair enough

[rocky pumice]

Hello everyone. What are the best mythic dungeons to spam as sin. rogues?

[kind roost]

probably shrine

[stuck shuttle]

tol'dagor

[quaint rune]

Honestly guys

[stuck shuttle]

and shrine

[dull cargo]

^

[kind roost]

and pray for that titanforged socketed galecallers

[quaint rune]

Guys honestly I am ilvl 351 and think Sin is the BEST in m+

high AOE dmg

with suffocation azerite

and great single target

[strange python]

yes

[quaint rune]

I pull 9-11k dps total in every m+

and have a TON of utility

[dull cargo]

The only thing that sucks about galecallers is impromptu movement in raid fights

[stuck shuttle]

my m+ damage is ridiculous

[dull cargo]

So try and get an on-use self buff

[kind roost]

yeah nothing feels worse than getting lusted mid fight and dropping galecallers only for some mechanic to move the boss

[strange python]

nah

you gotta know when to use it

[dull cargo]

I had 24k DPS on the first pull of kings rest

Obviously timing is everything

But floor runes have an obvious drawback

[strange python]

yeah for sure

[dull cargo]

I'd rather less haste with more usable uptime

Over planting my feet

[strange python]

yeah i thought about using the get crit on use trinket and harlans

[dull cargo]

But then again cloak of shadows can help when you really want to dunk on the rest of the raids dps

[kind roost]

with 2 SS traits should I run laser matrix or poisoned wire as my 3rd trait

poisoned wire is shit right

[dull cargo]

I have actually been using the 340 verse trinket

[strange python]

the kings rest one?

[stuck shuttle]

laser matrix is good

[dull cargo]

PvP verse trinket

[stuck shuttle]

at high ilvls

[strange python]

ah

ive got that too

[dull cargo]

And just the raw agi and the over-sensitive damage increase has been good

But my 325 gale still shits on it in the right scenario

Over-all*

[kind roost]

ive been stuck with a socketed dead-eye spyglass nothing is simming higher than it fml

[strange python]

i got one at 340 luckily

[pastel sandal]

Could some1 explain the m+ rotation with crimson tempest to me? i dont have the ss garrote trait.

Stealth, MfD, CT, Garrote, FoK till 3 cp?, Rupture, FoK till 3 cp?, Envenom, FoK till??, CP?

[earnest hedge]

quick question. all the sims i see say exsanguinate is best single target, but rogue guide says toxic blade is

[lone copper]

sim yoself

[coral meteor]

you can't swap talents in m+ right?

[strange python]

guide was made before the potential of ss was discovered prob

[stuck shuttle]

no

u cant

[civic palm]

Correct no swapping talents/gear in M+.

[coral meteor]

so do I just take CT for the whole thing or what

[civic palm]

Yeah just CT the shit out of everything.

[coral meteor]

👍

[civic palm]

Guide will probably be updated once the Tuesday changes are more solidified.

[coral meteor]

Is it a loss to use it on ST?

[stuck shuttle]

yes

[dull cargo]

I'm curious, is sharpened blades as good as every site I've read says it is?

[stuck shuttle]

its good but ss is better

[dull cargo]

Early on everything said shrouded suffocation is the way to go

[lofty sand]

some people say it is, I never tried

[untold snow]

wont assa be the best for raid with tuning changes actually?

[lofty sand]

SS is more flexible I think

[kind roost]

so with 2 SS I should probably run Exs and CT? about to sim it just wondering

[dull cargo]

And I'm kind of willing to believe an ability that can always be buffed is better than one you can use 2-3 times in a fight (buffed)

[coral meteor]

To the crystal ball!

[stuck shuttle]

welcome all sub rogues

we'll see u until they nerf ss

[kind roost]

lolol

[lone copper]

question, got ss and trying shit on dummy. ravenholdt openers claim to start with garrote rup garrote, but whats the benefit over garrote garrote rup? longer empowered garrote?

[lofty sand]

Please read the pins

[coral meteor]

lol

[storm eagle]

hahahaha

[calm barn]

@lone copper with garrote rupture garrote you dont waste combo points and start with empowered garrote and rupture

[civic palm]

BARF

[lone copper]

kk

[brazen garden]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[rocky pumice]

I was just gonna ask that

Still bugged 👌

[calm barn]

yeah

until nerfed probably

[rocky pumice]

lol

[civic palm]

Nah might be fine Tuesday, will see.

[lofty sand]

it may deserve a nerf, I've seen people saying that got like 21k crits from a single garrote tick

[calm barn]

heh cute

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lofty sand]

but then again how are they going to do that without nerfing us to oblivion?

[civic palm]

It would just make EX not worth using.

[lofty sand]

my friends are always like "why is garrote your biggest damage?"

[calm barn]

it seems they never want EX to be worth using

[coral cosmos]

Hey dumb question related to the current convo...when referring to "garrote rup garrote" is that all within the subterfuge window, or is that vanish garrote after the rupture?

asking for a friend

[civic palm]

EX is fine now, and SS was not touched.

[calm barn]

yah

[urban storm]

well they have no data for SS

because it hasnt ever been working properly, correct?

[lofty sand]

I'd be down for another exsanguinate age

[calm barn]

I will always have this screenshot with me https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/333365735977910273/487418164033093633/unknown.png

[civic palm]

SS works fine atm so long you do not trigger the bug.

[lofty sand]

ya its strong as hell

[civic palm]

Any added Garrote past the 3 you can get through Subterfuge do non-amplified damage.

So there's no weirdness there for numbers, just that Garrote will do more damage in M+ due to being able to cast the spell without fucking yourself.

[coral cosmos]

just got my second ss piece

[lone junco]

@calm barn lol at that PB. totally irrelevant

[coral cosmos]

wewt

[lofty sand]

PB is a depressing talent that should cease to exist

[calm barn]

yeah, I remember when PB was the top damage on the highest parses

[lone junco]

I like ct due to feel, but that snip clears it up.

Pb is garbage till the end in M+

[civic palm]

IIRC some people are still on the PBOMB train > _>

[lone junco]

overall instance damage pb 3. overall CT is like 12

[civic palm]

Yeah.

[lone junco]

prob cause they think Env matters.

single target finishers in a world of bulk cleave.

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lone junco]

nty

[lofty sand]

I only take PB on raids because CT is poop ST

but I always get sad about it

[civic palm]

It's like 2% of total DMG on ST in M+, just don't take it.

[lofty sand]

I shouldn't take it honestly, make my stand against that. But I feel like I'm dragging my team down if I dont get that extra 2%

[lone junco]

single target rotation would be a bit awkward even if CT was worth using.

[civic palm]

Yeah but then you wreck the trash > _>

and take EX to cover the 2% you lose from PBOMB.

[dire spoke]

👀

[lofty sand]

you know I'm not sure how well I would do with EX since I didnt sim it yet, but I should. EX is pretty fun to use

[quaint rune]

do you guys mess with CT in m+?

[lone junco]

mess with?

I use it

[lofty sand]

CT is my go to

[quaint rune]

a must have?

[lofty sand]

I spend 90% of my time with it

[candid phoenix]

frankly PB should only be used in the raid

[lone junco]

g g g ct fok rupture fok rupture fok ct fok rupture

[candid phoenix]

CT is far ahead in M+

[lofty sand]

CT is satisfying

[prime crest]

dis be my new home bois

[lone junco]

CT is a head in bulk packs.

[white lance]

mine to 😃

o

[lone junco]

2-3 pulls it is lackluster tbh.

[rocky pumice]

I've read somewhere that CT basically replaces envenom when focusing on adds

[lone junco]

but we dont get to switch around.

[rough knoll]

JUMPING ON THE BANDWAGON

ASSASSINATION MAIN NOW

[rocky pumice]

if you wanna use envenom just use CT 😃

[nimble tartan]

people runniny ct in infested? i just did a 10 shrine and idk if id run ct maybe..

[candid phoenix]

CT = Envenom vs 2 targets, and way ahead vs 3 targets

[lone junco]

in a pack of 6-15, env doesnt do anything helpful

[candid phoenix]

smthng like that

[lofty sand]

I do it on 2 targets sometimes when I have the time. It feels stronger than Env but then again I might be wrong never bothered simming with 2t specific

[quaint rune]

the CT bleed doesn't give us energy regen tho does it?

[candid phoenix]

no it doesnt, that would make it way too OP

[fleet whale]

CT needs a visual update

[rocky pumice]

Do you guys use CT with exsang or TB?

[lone junco]

cant ct and pb.

[candid phoenix]

EX is only for fun atm frankly

[lone junco]

neg

[candid phoenix]

its not working very well yet

against TB

[lofty sand]

I havent fucked with EX in BFA at all

[strange python]

stop talking pls

XD

[civic palm]

hahahaha

[lone junco]

g g r vendetta mut ruptuer exsang. Single target melt.

[quaint rune]

my cT jhust found its new button

Shift Mwheeldown

[marble hemlock]

exsang cant melt steel beams tho

[civic palm]

Yeah but we're fighting FLESH.

[lone junco]

thats what DH is for

[civic palm]

So it melts.

[placid dawn]

guys, did your sims go down after last nightly?

[candid phoenix]

well we are fighting a Robot taht is bleeding actual blood

[placid dawn]

mine is like 1k lower

[candid phoenix]

so nothing makes sense anyway

[calm barn]

fighting agains blood gods and shit, so EX BiS

[lone junco]

TBH. I did pvp with 3ss. The 1T open is so strong it was like the wicked witch, just fucking melted. hps >>>>

[marble hemlock]

yeah

lets give us classic enemies back

undeads immune to bleed, elementals immune to poisons

[lone junco]

Hogger and pigs in the woods

like poe.

[sleek umbra]

so exsang sims higher for me now, but never really used it before, outside of the opener do i use it on cd, or after a i refresh garrote and rupture?

[lone junco]

well immune to physical and poison. guess I afk.

@sleek umbra sortof.

and no

[marble hemlock]

and it wasnt just nature elementals, all elementals were immune to nature damage, and poisons by extent

[lone junco]

the beef from exsang comes from SS.

[white lance]

bring back viscidus type bosses

i loved smacking dat frost dmg

[lofty sand]

man all this talk of EX made me remember legion pre patch EX with like 400% bleed speed

that was some crazy shit

[lone junco]

get one ss at open, then exs at 5 sec. then exs at 50 sec. and at 1:35.

Vendetta is back up at 2:00, but vanish isnt back up till 215. but next exsang is at like 225.

So you rupture vanish G G r vendetta Exsang.

[sleek umbra]

okay, so after the opener, on cd, but hold for vanish/vendetta?

or mixed em up i guess, hold vanish and vendetta for exsang

[civic palm]

#tc-updates

[rocky pumice]

what site do you use to sim yourself?

raidbots?

[civic palm]

Yes

[lone junco]

quality peaks

[sleek umbra]

didn't even think to look there, thanks Miz, think i get it now

[civic palm]

What fucking iLevel @lone junco O _O 💦

[crimson swift]

garrote on its own casually doing 25k dps

[rough knoll]

just a quick check to see how much of a pain it's going to be to swap from sub

what's everyone's stat prio's looking like from personal sims?

[civic palm]

haste/crit/mastery

[rough knoll]

ez

[civic palm]

Vers is even close.

[dire spoke]

go away with your 250ilvl sims

[civic palm]

If 250 is the same as 345 >_> okaythen

[lone junco]

347

for that fetid log

[dire spoke]

[civic palm]

That's fucking hilarious.

[lofty sand]

looking at that, there is no way SS is not going to get nerfed. The fact that Rupture is so low there and its supposed to be our "main spell"

[lone junco]

perfect open execute

[civic palm]

not even Troll haHaa

[dark bane]

Can anyone explain me where the assa burst comes from? Ive been busy with the other two specs since bfa release