im finally simming over 13k
#assassination
stuck shuttle
Oh the 4th garrote bug
cerulean walrus
Unless that's somehow intentional but that would be stupid
hollow junco
tbh i'd rather SS get nerfed and other traits get buffed to be similar in value so that i'm strong outside of subterfuge garrote windows
royal lantern
its not a bug, its a feature now
cerulean walrus
lmao
royal lantern
i mean, ss never worked 100%since bfa release now?
cerulean walrus
Buy BFA, we have extra spicy features
royal lantern
but yeha, buff other traits, give me options
wide delta
with 3x SS , garrote damage is buffed only out of vanish or stealth no?
royal lantern
blizz, you removed tier sets cus you dont want people too just chose the best item, then give me actuall choices and not let 1 trait be WAY better and you need too take it
hollow junco
and targeted farming for azerite traits is the worst thing
1 chance / week from mythic dungeons
then pray for weekly chest rng?
royal lantern
or atleast let some traits be better for st and aoe
cerulean walrus
In the eyes of blizzard, its easier to nerf one thing than buff 10
royal lantern
SS is simply the best choice for aoe and st, thats stupid
main blaze
Farm M+ for specific Azerite piece OR never get the azerite piece from chest. You choose.
cerulean walrus
so if anything, they'll just nerf SS and leave it
hollow junco
problem: today i do not have 3 SS traits, not for lack of trying
question: what actions can i take to solve this?
solution: mythic dungeons once/week, mythic+ to max chext every week, oh and there's ONE raid drop option
actually, this is not all that different from farming for an OP raid trinket
wide delta
@stuck shuttle so it doesnt buff my damage if i dont have vanis up mid fight?
hollow junco
like we did in previous xpacs/raid tiers
cerulean walrus
Why not have azerite traits have 3 spec specific traits, and 1 zone
for each spec š¤¦
hollow junco
^ yes ffs
stuck shuttle
@wide delta no it doesnt. only on opener and on vanish
hollow junco
YOU MEAN LIKE SET BONUSES?
cerulean walrus
Yes.
hollow junco
how innovative
main blaze
Tier bonuses were a good addition to the game, all they had to do is copy some kind of similar system to dungeons / pvp and viola good system
wide delta
@main blaze m+ does NOT drop azerite pieces
cerulean walrus
But at least the damn traits would let you pick... instead of being locked into either a fantasy smiting zone trait, or one trait that's garbage
hollow cloud
stay safe people
main blaze
that it would have been better to be able to farm them
hollow cloud
š
cerulean walrus
There are so many specs right now that are forced to use 3x zone traits that don't even add anything to the spec
ffs
cerulean walrus
Dagger in the Back is so good for so many specs like what the hell
hollow junco
i feel bad for thunderous blast platewearers
cerulean walrus
That just SOUNDS like a rogue trait
velvet magnet
Is it just exsang on CD outside of Vanish/Vendetta? I'd assume preferably after applying fresh bleeds?
stuck shuttle
look up the APL @velvet magnet
there are some timings with exsang
to line up with vendetta
opaque grotto
I have 3x SS and itās the only reason I play assass
cerulean walrus
Yet I still somehow manage to top charts every time... I made a sub rogue super salty after I beat him by .3k dps
vale bay
how is assa comparing now to other specs/
stuck shuttle
i dont feel like an underdog
cerulean walrus
I honestly don't either
opaque grotto
Well you donāt feel like an underdog because all 3 rogue specs are better than every other class LOL
cerulean walrus
This happens every time... lest we forget that Sin scales better as the xpac goes on
stuck shuttle
according to sims
cerulean walrus
Sub starts ahead, sin eventually takes over
cerulean walrus
Dude we started this xpac with wrath numbers, now we're already in MoP in terms of stats/health
wtf is the point of a stat squish if it doesn't last a single xpac?
fiery mauve
idk we were doing like 2m dps
stuck shuttle
well tbf, we were in the millions in Legion
fiery mauve
now we're doing 13k
stuck shuttle
yeah thats pretty significant
cerulean walrus
I get that
opaque grotto
Because power/progression feels good if itās noticeable
cerulean walrus
But 3 weeks?
drifting cloud
its gonna last 2 xpacs
drifting cloud
after this xpac its prolly gonna be around wod numbers without lego ring
lyric knoll
Anyone else feel useless on Zul fight?
opaque grotto
I switch to sub for Zul
opaque grotto
But yeah sin is prob still good
My guild just has me sit on the boss with the craugs and get a shitload of boss damage in
stuck shuttle
i was right next to our sub rogue for our heroic kill
lyric knoll
I'm having such a hard time playing assassination for some reason. I feel like my gear and rotation is all borked. I forgot about this channel until just now
deft locust
š®
lyric knoll
Having a 305 offhand is poop though
royal lantern
well, more complicated then outlaw
opaque grotto
Barely
royal lantern
and sub turned into a mouthbreather spec too, there is no Ā“Ā“hard too playĀ“Ā“ class in wow
the fights themself are the hard part, class gameplay is always pretty easy
opaque grotto
Iāve been playing rogue for a month and have 2 rank 1 parses for assass
Itās really simple tbh
lyric knoll
Its not complicated, I just dont dont seem to get the damage I should be doing. Not sure if its specifically because of my crap offhand. My stat weights seem ok
royal lantern
welcome too the FotM class that will probably get a nerf when mythic comes out?
outlaw was op as hell at legion launch and blizz turned it into a joke when EN mythic came out
opaque grotto
I picked rogue because itās fun and I hadnāt played it yet
Nothing to do with fotm
royal lantern
^
stuck shuttle
of course they will always have a spot at the top
delicate root
Feel like I sim a bit low
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2EeYJP9hqPHWsPgaD4zoUf
opaque grotto
That seems kinda fine
delicate root
lacking some haste maybe
opaque grotto
Sin isnāt really a monster as far as sims go
marsh void
Do envenom still consume stacks of deadly poision and increase damage ?
royal lantern
Ā“Ā“why does my druid with a heal/ranged/melee/tank option do 4%less st dps blizz??? BUFF PLZ!!!!Ā“Ā“
marsh void
(just switched back to ass)
opaque grotto
Read envenom and find out!!
marsh void
Well, it doesn't say
delicate root
there you go then š
opaque grotto
Then it probably doesnāt do it!!
marsh void
sometimes stuff aint in descriptions
stuck shuttle
lol
marsh void
lol
delicate root
well it kinda is - see pandemic
opaque grotto
Pandemic is a mechanic not a function of a specific ability
delicate root
that's not described anywhere in the game though š
opaque grotto
It applies to everything that has a duration
marsh void
So where can I read about pandemic then bread
marsh void
in game
opaque grotto
Considering itās not an ABILITY OR PASSIVE it wouldnāt be in your spell book
marsh void
Friendly place this
opaque grotto
Thereās nothing in game that tells you how to move your camera
You just fucking click and do it
marsh void
Well it is, when you start it for the first time..
marsh void
probably turned off the help then
lyric knoll
I have a feeling this is going to spiral downhill fast. Horniak, your best bet is to google when in doubt
marsh void
I know, thought this would be quicker and more helpful, but damn I was wrong š
opaque grotto
You got your answer like five minutes ago
lyric knoll
I know what you mean.
opaque grotto
What do you mean you were wrong
marsh void
Well, that discussion is not for this disc.
opaque grotto
You brought it up?
lyric knoll
People are helpful here Horniak, you just have to take the answers as they are.
Hey Bread, sent you a PM
royal harness
is twist the knife worth it for pvp ? im currently playing 3x ss
opaque grotto
I think SS is still good in pvp
I know people were using sharpened blades but that got nerfed by 65%
royal harness
i wonder if 3x ss is the best in pvp without being able to restealth often
or if in that case its better to go 1x ss and 2x something else
lone junco
i did 2ss 1Fok in bgs last night.
the SS was enough with Exang to melt someone, guaranteed.
the fok range with the pvp fok talent seemed to have good synergy.
keen spruce
if you get 3 garrotes up in your opener it puts out a LOT of pressure early
and ideally get 3 more on your vanish
and you normally get at least a couple other restealths depending on the matchups
even if you're going full mongo on one target I still think the damage by itself is worth
compact socket
Master Poisoner used to increase damage of all poisons including Envenom right? Now tooltip suggests it does not.
royal harness
aight
winter pulsar
Whatās the difference between Assassination and Assassination Exsg?
Saw that on the simcraft website
opaque grotto
One takes exsanguinate and one doesnāt
winter pulsar
Ex is better yeah?
brittle meadow
How much haste do you guys have for m+?
steep obsidian
its your worst stat for multi target generally isnt it?
brittle meadow
yeah but i saw a lot of ppl in streams with like 1k haste
and you need to get a good balance between st and mt
so i was wandering what ppl in general have
steep obsidian
yar well that might be more just feelycraft thing then i guess eh and maybe what affixes/comp you take
brittle meadow
mmh might be true think i have to try around a bit than... just started to try all speccs since i collected some mixed up gear from m+
safe matrix
@marsh void it's a bit late, but I have a quick write up if pandemic in the FAQ pin š
On mobile so I can't copy paste it easily
compact socket
I've been doing 2232221, and fitting 3 5pt envenoms in a toxic blade window, lining up MFD and TB every time. It has a good feelycraft feel to it.
edgy plover
anyone know where i can find a bis list for uldir?
stuck shuttle
@brittle meadow i have 1100 haste
steep citrus
is it weird that i'm playing sub and outlaw in raid but assassination in m+? the world is upside down
brittle meadow
@stuck shuttle so you main haste > crit > rest?
brittle meadow
had the same plan too... just my sim showed me sth completly different (i usually sim just to get an idea what ppl doing)
you go for garrot traits @stuck shuttle ?
woeful wraith
aye same hecktix
Agility=1.89, CritRating=1.63, HasteRating=1.67, MasteryRating=1.65, Versatility=1.5, Dps=9.48, OffHandDps=1.09
brittle meadow
did it sim like that for you?
brittle meadow
hmm weird think have to resim... mb something bugged? patchwork sim?
woeful wraith
lambrik do you have multiple pieces you're trying to figure out best combo?
delicate root
anyone know if galecaller's boon sims assume full uptime on the zone buff?
delicate root
ah ofc
vestal wren
i had no issue to use galecallers
stuck shuttle
so it sims really well but in a raid setting, you won't always get the full value
brittle meadow
@woeful wraith what exactly do you mean? i played outlaw and try to figure out which items to choose for assa but my sim said mastery main... so i just try by myself
delicate root
toss up between 355 gale and 355 dice
brittle meadow
Fathom still top if you dont got another 355 trinket?
delicate root
aye, but it assumes 100% uptime so sims go out the window a bit š
stuck shuttle
fathom is top tier even if you have another 355 trinket
delicate root
can use dice for outlawy anyways
stuck shuttle
fathom should be bis until mythics
brittle meadow
mmh k
stuck shuttle
or higher level keys
woeful wraith
@brittle meadow get the simc addon and go to "Top Gear" in raidbots, paste the info in, and select all the items
it'll give you the best in bags
once you have that gear equipped run your stat weights
brittle meadow
kk will put all the stuff in my bag than x)
delicate root
there's a limit to the number of items and combinations you can run at once tho
woeful wraith
make sure you have right talents in that you want
aye so obv leave out like mastery vers gear or lower ilvl stuff
brittle meadow
yeah sure
lone junco
I do entire bank and bag full of azerite first.
identify the top trait set. then sim again with pairs of rings and other what not. then again with a bulk of my trinkets. in the end it keeps going up.
but if you pay for the service ,you can just dump your bank at once.
proud copper
Nows a good time that if you're able. Try supporting raidbots. They do a great job, and it increases the number of things you can run
lone junco
yeah. without raidbots. the azerite combos would be absurd.
proud copper
I pay the 50$/6 months and it gives me like 12m iterations
woeful wraith
same i do the $10/month
stuck shuttle
i do the 10/month
woeful wraith
get the nice discord bot
stuck shuttle
great service
proud copper
Honestly well worth the money and they do an amazing job
lone junco
@woeful wraith is that a KU football jersey or Ny Giants?
proud copper
^^^^^
woeful wraith
buffalo bills lul
had season tickets forever and finally broke playoff drought, so we decide to trade QB away and start the kid who threw 5 ints in the first half last year
lone junco
neat. we lose in the playoffs each year. at least jamaal charles has robot knees now.
he can get disabled on another team now.
woeful wraith
lol
lone junco
handing him the ball is like paper rock scissors 12 times in a row, with rock.
hollow stone
Rock always wins
strange python
Do you hold onto 3rd exsang or do you use it and wait with vendetta + vanish until exsang comes back up on cd? I could check my apl but I'm too lazy
abstract crescent
dawn merlin
question.. do you guys pool energy before TB comes up and them spam as many 4-5 cps envenoms as possible?
strange python
yes
lyric knoll
Yes I do
dawn merlin
alright, cheers
strange python
Why does it vendetta after exsang?
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
visual mist
don't remeber wich ones I use crap
the one that says NO POISONS
in caps when you have no poison
lone junco
exsang doesnt tick for like ~ 1gcd anyway the vendetta after is fine.
probably just the if statement they used to write it for alignment of vanish at 230 430 630
strange python
Seems risky to do it that way though
But you answered my question regarding delaying for exsang, thank you noobe
@delicate root gale sims better if you can stand still long enough everytime. Considering how close dice is. I would prefer dice
onyx falcon
When mastery is out simming haste and crit now
vapid moth
They are all the same for me
onyx falcon
soooo does this mean its time to get 200% mastery+ again? >:)
lone junco
might get up to 50 if you tried hard enough.
rocky holly
only 200%?
tidal sedge
Does anyone know if the Gale-Force Striking enchant is any good for sin
opaque grotto
Haste is better than agility for me atm lol
royal lantern
200%mastery? you got 290%+ with the right gear in antorus
lone junco
its funny to see haste and crit tank to 1 in 6t cleave with ss
I never saw a 290 mastery
opaque grotto
No, Iām like 15% actually
royal lantern
if im right i was at 296% with buff food at the end
lone junco
they are running TB prob
keen spruce
Jiyugata, how did you get that stat weight list?
lone junco
@opaque grotto haste did scale up to 70% in bloodmallet
opaque grotto
That list is from raidbots
lone junco
so you are probably on that curve
keen spruce
oh okay
lone junco
ish.
opaque grotto
I have rank 1 fetid with exsang
tropic osprey
Did sthey hotfix the ss bug (4. Garrote) thingy?
vestal wren
you are on the wrong website @lone junco bloodmallet only has the standard build
opaque grotto
Itās best for my gear
royal lantern
its good for burst and fast energy reg
onyx falcon
alright who did it... made a lil red 1 pop up on dsicord
keen spruce
There's a DK named breaddude on bleeding hollow 
opaque grotto
Thatās my DK
keen spruce
That would make sense 
keen spruce
you're on tich as well right?
opaque grotto
Yessir
dawn merlin
need clarification.. so, with shrouded suffocation on ST, I should open with two garrotes into rupture, to get a max duration empowered garrote
is that?
it*
opaque grotto
Garrote > rupture > garrote > mut > rupture
dawn merlin
ah
keen spruce
how big of a difference is that vs G > G > R > mut > mut > ev?
dawn merlin
ah makes sense
keen spruce
but yeah
dawn merlin
guess not much difference with TB tho
dawn merlin
if u dont mind, let me know if you find something interesting
keen spruce
Heed my call is simming higher than overwhelming power? @opaque grotto
opaque grotto
I believe so
I donāt have any pieces with overwhelming power anyways so it doesnāt matter lol
keen spruce
oh lol
ripe geyser
So Haste is not the way to go anymore as assa?
opaque grotto
Says who?
Sim yourself and grab your own personal stat weights
Thatās mine currently
keen spruce
TB is simming quite a bit higher for me still
I was at 19% haste until this week, dropped all the way down to 8%
@opaque grotto your Taloc log makes too much sense
I was hoping to learn something spicy new
keen spruce
I'm running the same traits as pve
3x Srouded suffocation
well i only have 2
but 3 is good
strange python
where do u guys ruun sims?
half lichen
what trait is that?
keen spruce
It's the garrote one
lament depot
At lower levels I destroy people rn
keen spruce
that gives extra combo points and more damage on garrote
Assa feels good, it was getting outpaced by outlaw and sub until yesterdays hotfix
half lichen
How about
keen spruce
I think it's in a good spot now
half lichen
2 twist the knife?
keen spruce
probably fine, since sharpened blades got nerfed into the ground I dont' think there's a massive difference between all of them
getting 3 buffed garrotes off with SS is pretty nice in an opener, lots of spread pressure
keen spruce
actually twist is pretty low
this is just single target damage
so it's not perfect for pvp
keen spruce
we're talking about like a couple hundred dps either way
not a big deal
uh I pretty much run the same talents as pve
half lichen
which are? x)
keen spruce
except I switch in Marked for death
sec let me check
Row 5 you could also go iron wire I think
depends on how you place
vestal flame
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
half lichen
And pvp talents? x)
keen spruce
^ so in simple terms, don't caste more than 3 garrotes in an opener or it will kill the bonuses on the first 3?
half lichen
last question I swear
keen spruce
oh uh one sec
vestal flame
@keen spruce Don't cast garrotes out of Subterfuge until your SS empowered Garrotes are gone
opaque grotto
@keen spruce yeah man all my logs will make sense, I play that shit T E X T B O O K
keen spruce
@half lichen Creeping venom, deadly brew, system shock
There's a case for smoke bomb, but I think the other utility just outshines it
keen spruce
do more damage
opaque grotto
This dude parses a 92 and is like āhey look at meā
primal violet
hey, i parse 96 on 2 fights too!
keen spruce
if you're 92nd percentile
primal violet
and then a few mid 80s/70s
keen spruce
it may just be stat distribution on your gear 
stuck shuttle
true ingot
I can't find these supposed pve hotfixes from yesterday. Only pvp ones.
stuck shuttle
if u want to just compare
opaque grotto
I parsed 100 on two fights fuq wit me
primal violet
so i have a lot of shrouded suffocation, i found that garrote -> rupture -> garrote as opener is very nice, and i repeat it everytime vanish is up, but w/ vanish usually not rupture, just envenom
opaque grotto
My guild is gonna let me sit in mother next week for da parse
primal violet
is there a better alternative tho
opaque grotto
Sit on*
I think if youāre running TB
You wanna rupture before vendetta
So you can get a lot of envenoms in
keen spruce
ricin, you went garrote > Rupture > mute mute envenom
shoudl be garrote > rupture > garrote > mute > rupture
then vendetta, TB
stuck shuttle
thats the exsang rotation
keen spruce
same for TB to get pandemic on both
torn locust
I'm kind of a noob but https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aC2pYm1kP8FxADdK#fight=13&type=damage-done&source=32 how the hell is garrote a higher uptime than rupture? :\
keen spruce
and you didn't vanish garrote refresh until your 3rd garrote cycle
so your vanish went on CD later
stuck shuttle
@torn locust because you opened with garrote probably
torn locust
That was a random log i found of a boss in uldir
keen spruce
You garrote first, so it's there longer 
stuck shuttle
yep
torn locust
fair enough
soft island
where does our head for SS drop?
stuck shuttle
Shrine
soft island
thanks
vestal wren
did you offer ressources?
torn locust
My horde is only at 60% :\
torn locust
What if they dont get to 100 before tuesday?
keen spruce
The warfront isn't weekly
little warren
It just keeps going
primal violet
@keen spruce ur right i did mess it up a few times, but generally that whats i mean to do, did it right here https://wowanalyzer.com/report/1qgVzhjJdYtMKLRN/10-Normal+Vectis+-+Kill+(4:42)/8-RĆcƬn
keen spruce
it just flip flops as they finish
yeah looks fine. obviously you'll lose TBs during puddle
same with energy cap
I'd run cheat death in raids too
primal violet
thx i want to be the best rogue i can be
keen spruce
but that's not a damage thing
primal violet
yah not a bad idea
primal violet
yah for sure
keen spruce
seems fine otherwise though, just execution
luckily assassination is pretty simple
so it really just comes down to getting the rotatoin right, not dropping your bleeds
and maximizing uptime
primal violet
its much more forgiving in raids than subtletly
i can at least keep damaging the boss when i have to run thru the lazer say on mother
keen spruce
yeah I'm normally raid leading, I woulda learned sub a long time ago but I like to be able to keep track of everyone
primal violet
thru the gap of the lazer rather
keen spruce
and I can turn my brain off and do okay on the meters with assa
cunning wren
yeah, i wasnt sure if it mattered either š¤·
keen spruce
I didn't want to spend a bunch of gold to swap the maround
so i just keep my highest ilvl in my mainhand
and put the other enchant on whatever dagger I replace
I cannot be fucked to spend 5k gold to swap them around
so i'm backwards right now,
keen hound
I think y'all are overthinking it
winter gale
Deadly and Quick navigation should be my enchants?
keen spruce
ye
keen hound
No
safe matrix
It doesn't matter which hand
keen spruce
and don't care either way
keen hound
it doesn't matter
winter gale
Ok
keen spruce
good
safe matrix
And recommended enchants are based on your stat weights
winter gale
I dunno but I think somewhere I read that Deadly should go into main hand but i dont know why š
I have one more. I have that Boon Trinket 340 and I got Jar trinket with socket, also 340. Sims says that Boon is better but I think while gaming for real I should go for Jar since I cant always stay in that area of Boon. Especially now when all fights are new and I am adjusting my position alot of time.
What do u guys think? Sim difference is 0.6% btw.
keen hound
If you think it will make a difference, sim it. You will see it doesn't matter which one is on MH and which one is on OH.
winter gale
If in ideal justdps sim fight it have just 0.6 % difference then with my fails on Boon trinket I think Jar is better.
I am not that covered with knowledge about simming and shit but I feel I am wasting that Galecaller's Boon effect alot.
keen spruce
You should aim to move as little as possible
on all fights
but if you find yourself moving out of galecallers
meager knoll
"Note: You do not want to overwrite a Nightstalker empowered Rupture or Garrote until it has expired."
why is this line in the ravenholdt assassination guide? isn't that a sub only talent?
keen spruce
then you might as well run the other one
if it's that close in dmg
Nightstalker is an assa talent
safe matrix
No
winter gale
Yes, I feel like that. Plus its socketed and 40 more haste š
keen spruce
but you should run subterfuge
safe matrix
^
keen spruce
as long as you have gear with SS
meager knoll
Oh... my bad... apparently it's in both sub and assa
yeah I recently swapped from outlaw to assa, I have 2 SS
torn locust
is it worth using a 325 peice that has SS over a 340 that doesnt?
silver stone
Sim yourself
uneven summit
Overwhelmin still the shit right?
forest folio
is assa rn the weakest one in pve?
vestal wren
no
orchid field
345 dagger available from conquest reward - need 500 though
lilac coral
perfect stats too
wary anchor
how much conquest per win?
wary anchor
is 10% haste okay or terrible
lilac coral
having it higher would probably be better, but your weights will tell the full story
wary anchor
was just bored of sub and twanted to try assas
i have 3 shrouded traits
but 10% haste onl;y
worth trying?
orchid field
haste gear is fairly easy to come by, no reason not to try
lilac coral
the 3 SS traits puts you in darn good shape regardless
wary anchor
ok thanks will give it a try
I just got 2 sharprned blades and 1 blade in the shadow for sub so i might try sub again lol
so confused\
lilac coral
just sim both with your best traits and see where they both fall
wild oxide
So has anyone had a hard time getting there hands on daggers?
keen spruce
For pvp cap, do you daily BG, 2s win, 3s win, call to arms and weekly quest
your*
and you'll pretty much cap no problem
lyric knoll
Yes. I still have a frigging 305... my only piece below 340
keen spruce
we did like 30 arena 2s as well for fun but it really doesn't take long to cap
wild oxide
i have a 330 and a 300
all i have been seeing on WQs and what not are weapons for outlaw.........
lyric knoll
Fist and swords
keen spruce
I dunno, if you're just doing dailies?
a few days
you only get 10 conquest per win in 2s after your daily reward
so it's kind of a grind
but if you do your weekly quests and daily wins, it's pretty easy
stone briar
k thanks guess i will give it a try š
lyric knoll
Or be lucky and get a 390 drop from arathi rares
keen spruce
you may want to log out and log back in
make sure your loot spec is set to assassination
I was given a choice between a dagger and a mace for my rewards
odd hound
orchid field
reg bg/40 epic bg/65 arena skirmish/15 brawl/40
for fwotd
reg bg went to 8 after i won
keen spruce
we were doing yolo 3s with triple dps and running into real commps
felt bad
only took like an afternoon to cap though
I had 80 from random quests n shit. 50 for call to arms, 50 for kill a horde, 40 for daily 2s, 50 for daily 3s, 50 for daily BG
then repeat the dailies and get like a couple 2s wins and you're done
stone briar
you mean you get the choice after finishing the cap? i tried with logging out and loot spec even tho it was on sin already but still shows me the axe
keen spruce
yeah when I went to turn in the quest I had a choice between 2 weps
stone briar
ah okay good then
keen spruce
but i didn't get an axe though 
stone briar
thought i only get the weapon it shows above haha
stone briar
will just try later š
wary anchor
how do i sim between different specs and gear traits on raidbot?
gleaming kelp
keen spruce
right by boralus
there's that alliance icon on the map
down the stairs from the flight master a little ways into the slums
primal violet
oh im horde
lone junco
@gleaming kelp 3 ss, with exsang ct is pretty great.
ct is for bulk mobs, once you have the 3g CT, fok rupture tabs then more ct.
keen spruce
look for a horde icon on the mini map when your'e in your main city
it should be pretty noticable
and also where you pick up your weekly cache
rain breach
Exsang is only better with 3ss than tb?
rain breach
Got a 360 dagger yesterday and later a 340, so seems timevto finaly left ugly outlaw away and go to the dark side ;)
But have atm 0 SS gear
:(
stone briar
you guys use garrote rupture garrote or 2x garrote into rupture? with the first one rupture pandemic comes up with tb and doesnt line up that well for me. if you dont move that much at least
keen spruce
pretty sure it's garrote > rupture > garrote > mut > rupture
for TB and exang
that way you have full rupture and garrote + pandemic
before starting your vendetta + cds
stone briar
oh yeah another rupture in the opener would solve it
primal violet
what do u garrotes tick for w/ SS
i only have 2 SS but i am getting almost 6k ticks
lone junco
non vendetta should be like 7500 non crit and 15k crit
crude hinge
what ilvl
frosty robin
i cant get exsang to sim higher at all.
crude hinge
exang is the way to go now??
lone junco
pretty sure slackjack has his up pretty high.
crude hinge
i thought it was the same
lone junco
its very similar in 5min avg sims.
frosty robin
tb sims 300 more for me
keen spruce
you gotta look at the situation, like on MOTHER you can get another cycle of bleeds off before crossing with exang
in some cases
so you may get better output over TB
lone junco
for mother, you are dumping your vanish exsang into the p3
keen spruce
but it just depends on how and when it's getting used
lone junco
vuln phase champ
keen spruce
TB won't get your garrote/rupture refreshed faster though
and garrote/rupture are your primary damage sources
frosty robin
well then why does TB sim higher
lone junco
tb hits hard
keen spruce
so if you can get another cycle of them off before you have to cross the gate and not hit the boss for the next few minutes
lone junco
if they nerf SS, then pack up the exang button. it is dead
keen spruce
because a sim is just hitting a target dummy for 5 minutes
lone junco
thats boss dmg
frosty robin
not just exsan
lone junco
keen spruce
I'm just saying that there are mechanics that MAY push exang above TB even if it sims lower
lone junco
yeah.
keen spruce
imma just stick with TB cuz i'm lazy
lone junco
I think there is nothing that synergises with TB
the env extension messed with DP rates.
frosty robin
well obviously something cuz otherwise it wouldnt sim higher, dude xd
lone junco
i feeeell. like we are going to see a stacking DR for traits on Tue.
I mean really check this list
crude hinge
idk why but it looks like im only critting 2k with 2 ss
crude hinge
how?
keen spruce
are you overwriting your stealthed garrote?
lone junco
must have subterfuge. Must open from stealth. Must press garrote no more than 3 times.
if you tab a garrote to 4th target, ALL applications drop buff.
crude hinge
OH
keen spruce
if you ever cast an 1cp garrote
crude hinge
wtf
keen spruce
it will overwrite all of your buffed ones
lone junco
š
keen spruce
big š
onyx falcon
jw, is anyone running overwhelming x3?
lone junco
not yet
onyx falcon
also hai noobe
keen spruce
you should if you can
lone junco
hai
keen spruce
op is op
lone junco
@frosty robin you looking at sin after the bits nerf?
onyx falcon
was just wondering, im running 2x SS 2x OP
lone junco
id like 4 ss
onyx falcon
id like SS to give 1 extra CP for every bonus SS we have equipped >:)
keen spruce
same, still fishing for the last one
frosty robin
it is neat, i owned zul with it
lone junco
master assassin vendetta knife
ns vanish knife
prob sub tbh. with the symbol dance.
frosty robin
dont think it can compete with SS and subterfuge as it is
symbols, dark shadows is the stuff.
lone junco
2min vanish is hard to align tbh.
primal violet
@lone junco sorry what did you mean by "i feeeell. like we are going to see a stacking DR for traits on Tue."
lone junco
we dont get vendetta vanish exsang until 3rd ex at 2:30
primal violet
like they are going to nerf traits u stack?
lone junco
@primal violet i feeeeel like they did with relic stacking. they gave them DR for 5 6 7 relics.
primal violet
so each one u use is less effective?
lone junco
1 2 3 stacks of traits will be easy to do overall at once.
primal violet
that makes sense since right now everyone just finds the best one and gets 3 of them
lone junco
right.
I honestly believe. that blizzard will ruin anything that I enjoy.
i enjoy 3x ss.
civic palm
Twist would be better is poisons did more DMG.
but atm it makes ENV clipping the easiest it's ever been.
frosty robin
problem is there is 1 good trait for most classes
and then 5 general wank ones
and then all the other garbage u dont want
civic palm
I mean for some there are no good spec traits.
primal violet
damn is that you in the pic @frosty robin ?
frosty robin
x d
primal violet
good stuff lol
frosty robin
ye dude i have a sharpened blade between my tiddies
delicate crater
was there a Sin AZ power change (or proposed change) mentioned today?
civic palm
Pardon?
delicate crater
someone said that Sub BitS got a 10% nerf (or proposed), and Outlaw got a big buff for one of the traits
frosty robin
dunno about the outlaw trait buff, but the sub trait changes r useless
primal violet
between the pve nerfs AND the non adjusted pvp nerfs, sub got gutted to oblivion
vestal wren
primal violet
they already nerfed the fuck out of shadowstrike in pvp and ruined the crit chance for sub
prisma pond
Wouldn't that be something if I stress of nerfing all the good traits they buffed the shit ones and we had.....OPTIONS
Instead*
Phone auto correct is cancer
coral cosmos
Are there notes for upcoming pve nerfs?
civic palm
frosty robin
sub gutted into oblivion, monkaS?
lone junco
@frosty robin i looked at the enhance traits and had to lol. 3x stormstrike worth like 3% total. Lavalash like 4%. ours 15%
prisma pond
Just in pvp atm
coral cosmos
@civic palm thanks, these look like the pvp nerfs
lone junco
dead spec.
frosty robin
see here the little difference between "aoe build" and ST build when u play with sharpened blades.
makes m+ amazing
coral cosmos
Ah I see, I thought I'd seen mentions of upcoming PVE nerfs for rogues
civic palm
That's because there's no PVE nerfs.
flat mantle
so is archive of the titans even with the reorigination array just not worth taking over shrouded suffocation?
prisma pond
Inb4 they dont nerf SS and make it work on all garrotes 
ruby idol
Sub ss trait was nerfed 10% in pve. Theres just no notes on it
prisma pond
Ah, good ol stealth nerfs
fresh ginkgo
dang youre really making me want to try exsang
lone junco
its a pain in the ass tbh.
fresh ginkgo
are you running exsang on all bosses?
dense jetty
did assassination energy regen get nerfed in the last day or so?
it feels horrible suddenly, my gear hasnt changed at all
lone junco
2min cd timing is good at mob kill, t = 30s 2:50s 4:50 6:50
sub i strong over and over and over
its def not the legion 45 sec vendetta/exang alignment.
dusty cobalt
Got a 360 galecallrer's boon today (haste on use trinket), when is the best time to use it in my opener?
sturdy egret
Should i use 2 different weap enchant?
sturdy egret
@strange python thanks
iron pelican
how is fraggy blasting so hard in m+? am i doing it wrong being outlaw and sub :)\
civic palm
Ask him?
knotty oak
did the nerfs to outlaw and sub make assa the best spec atm?
coral cosmos
All three are very close on PvE
stuck shuttle
but sub is still ahead in PvE
primal violet
did darkmoon fathom get nerfed?
its so low on https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination now
spare cloud
Rhydon deez nuts
civic palm
Low?
prisma pond
It's not nerfed. Look at the ilevel sortinf
It's better than most of those trinkets up to 380
Thing is its sorted up to 400
primal violet
hmm it ussed to be at the top of the list
prisma pond
Because trinkets didn't go to 400
spice surge
Because it compared it to 355 items
spare cloud
spice surge
Now it compares to 400
prisma pond
prisma pond
Like the folks that see sin 1% below sub and say " sin is trash im.getting benched reeeee "
stuck shuttle
lol
1% difference, "sin is trash"
had a sub rogue in a M+4 Tol Dagor
he whispered me "why are you playing Sin"
then i destroyed him in that dungeon
feels good
prisma pond
We had some other sin rogues switch to sub JUST because of sims and hes shit at it....way better as sin. B..but muh sims...muh 3 %
coral cosmos
Yeah...I had gear best suited for Outlaw (2x 340 1hers) rather than a 340/325 dagger set up and was just miserable on the first few bosses in Uldir, not even close to our other Outlaw rogue. Finally said screw it, slapped on the daggers and switched to Sin and pretty much went head to head with him the rest of the night
heady vapor
2x Shrouded Suffocation - viable?
rain breach
I feel sin is mor forgiving if you fail one in the rota. Hat sub dancing so much, and outlaw dice rolls.... ;)
round ledge
check sims @heady vapor
meager knoll
2 SS is good, 3 is better
round ledge
but ye it's good, effect doesn't stack but damage does
heady vapor
ah
i rekt myself, i thought i could actually make it go up to 5 points from opener lol
round ledge
ye i did the same when i first saw it
and then made the wrong assumption that traits didnt stack which gimped me for a week lol
heady vapor
alrighty
primal violet
@heady vapor 2 definitely viablo
@heady vapor i only have 2 and i have multiple 90% + parses
in uldir normal and heoric
rain breach
The traits are random on the armor? Or can you farm exactly trait gear?
meager knoll
my garrote deals about 1.1k every tick if I don't use stealth, and about 5.5k each tick from stealth. (2 ss traits)
heady vapor
aight, gonna test it out
meager knoll
it's not random
heady vapor
5.5k, wew
primal violet
that being said, im definitely wroking on getting my 3rd
heady vapor
so this will also apply to other garrotes from subterfuge, right?
heady vapor
noice
meager knoll
so in dungeons I usually try to garrote 3 mobs, even tho I get "too many" combo points
obsidian loom
Yeah I canāt seem to get the helm to drop at all š¦
primal violet
obsidian loom
Yeah get those three rolling
outer adder
@obsidian loom I'm convinced it doesn't exist -_-
obsidian loom
@outer adder ditto
ripe geyser
I randomly found out I had all 3 SS traits and went assa š
obsidian loom
And waycrest daggers are a myth too
meager knoll
what's your point ricin? š
primal violet
that 2 SS are viable
heady vapor
so i guess the one thing i'm wondering is that
primal violet
he was asking if 2 SS is viable, yes it is, i only have 2 SS and i am performing fine
heady vapor
how good are those traits in prolonged raid boss fights? considering the effect only applies if used from stealth
do you use vanish ?
primal violet
its very nice burst boost if u use vanish everytime its up
obsidian loom
Yeah
primal violet
and garrote -> rupture -> garrote
you get like 21 seconds or w/e of those big ticks
meager knoll
10k dps as top tho.. dafuq
primal violet
we had lots of alts in our normal raid
outer adder
right? I'm sitting on a damn 298 dagger.. rngesus is punishing me for getting a 350 dice and 350 boon to drop at fresh m0 @obsidian loom
strange python
is garrote-rupture-garrote really better than garrote-garrote-ruture?
meager knoll
ah, alright
strange python
shit ill have to try it out
meager knoll
I haven't tried assa in raid yet.. how is it compared to outlaw/sub?
primal violet
more forgiving during progression
primal violet
doesnt mean that it cant still be better
strange python
yea i know
primal violet
just overall u did better than just about everyone
obsidian loom
I dunno, I have traits for sub but canāt play it for shit. Iāll always be an ass(assin)
primal violet
i was sub in heroic, wish i had done sin those nights
strange python
thats why im excited to try it
primal violet
hence my comment about sin being more forgiving during progression
like in mother, when u gotta avoid lazers, u cant damage as sub, as sin, at least ur dots are ticking
strange python
yup
rain breach
Is there a dungeonlist for farm ss items?
primal violet
@rain breach blood mallet to find the items
and then look at waht dungeons/raids drop them
rain breach
Thxal
strange python
but with garrote-rupt-garrote, you exsang at the end of it right
primal violet
garrote -> rupture -> garrote -> mut -> rupture -> mut -> tb -> vendetta -> envenom
maybe vendetta before tb/exsang
meager knoll
TB+PB / exs+CT.. which one do yall prefer?
primal violet
i like TB+PB
meager knoll
does it matter? or is it roughly the same?
primal violet
i find PB to be very satisfying
always feels very good when it procs
its also better for ST
strange python
what i do is
garrote-garrote-rupture-exsang-(mutilates and envenoms until bleeds run out)-vend-vanish- repeat repeat repeat
silent silo
how much better is crimson tempist in m+ than poison bomb? just curious
strange python
tempest is better with sanguine imo
a lot of the time adds are kited constantly and wont stay in the pb pool
from my experience at least
opaque grotto
Wait
gleaming canopy
How much ilvl is SS trait worth? Should I keep my SS trait or upgrade 15ilvls?
karmic swan
@strange python that rotation only means you're not using the buffed garrotea for the longest duration possible. Kinda losing 1 tick of that precious stuff.
strange python
dunno could be
outer adder
@gleaming canopy sim it bro
opaque grotto
Try and beat my fetid devourer pull xD
karmic swan
G-rupt-g-mut-rupt is the highest yielding. It's also the recommended opener.
strange python
shieeet
karmic swan
Nps
strange python
thats fine
opaque grotto
11*
strange python
i played rogue for the first time 2 weeks before 8.0
opaque grotto
Iām rank 1 on fetid by like 600 dps
Yeah I just started playing rogue this xpac too lol
Itās so easy LOL
strange python
yeah i think so too
primal violet
try it in high level pvp and its not so easy
strange python
i did really well on mother too, kept wiping because of lazy people though
well pvp=/=pve
opaque grotto
Ricin I can link you 2200 on a bunch of characters and tell you itās probably not that hard
I could play assass RLS to 2200 easy af probably
Or thug cleave
civic palm
= \
opaque grotto
Well 2200 is high level
primal violet
please do and show us just how easy it is
karmic swan
Do it and come back with your experience
strange python
gonna ask ask a dumb newbie question, should i use the assass stat weights built into pawn or sim my own
opaque grotto
2300 is top 3%
civic palm
Your own.
stuck shuttle
sim your own
karmic swan
Sim it
opaque grotto
So yes 2200 is high
civic palm
2200 is pretty average for people that put the effort in to just spam games.
strange python
got it
civic palm
You will get there.
primal violet
keep in mind how many people step into arena for a few matches each season and never step in again
so they inflate the pool big time
primal violet
anyone in glad range will tell you, rogue is one of the highest skill cap classess
so please stop talking about duelist level games OMEGALUL
opaque grotto
And Iām not disagreeing but itās not so far beyond most other classes
candid phoenix