holy shit
#assassination
tranquil dust
it does isnane damage with exang
ur right
wtf
ima try this shit in mythics
and report back
LOL
i was pulling like 11-12k
with tb
and pb
warm parcel
I dont think theres that big a diff with tb or exs
tranquil dust
i think
warm parcel
exs just feels amazing to burst with
cerulean walrus
So if you go with Exsang, when do you throw it?
warm parcel
You can either look from the guide or open a simcraft report
cerulean walrus
alrighty
trail otter
I feel like it'd be better overall no?
opaque grotto
@tranquil dust Vendetta after rupture I think
idk I'll have to check the APL again
lone junco
3ss champ?
jovial kite
yy
lone junco
it is stronk for sure
deft locust
guys...
my characters iq has dropped
she no longer remembers how to run properly
D:
hollow rose
what does ss mean
candid phoenix
so i got TIny Electro trinket 355 socket
and it sims slightly higher than the 340 dead-eye spyglass
not sure what to do 😄
@hollow rose SS means Shrouded Suffocation
hollow rose
ohhhh ty
opaque grotto
exsang sims 100 dps higher than tb now for me
weeeeeeeeeeeeeee
i can have fun and be optimal
alpine hedge
do I drop envenom completely on aoe? (spec into Crimson Tempest)
devout moth
What is exsang? 🙈
marble hemlock
pretty much Mylen
poisons barely do any damage and theres always something else that you would rather spend those CP on
tranquil dust
when vanishing at the end of the combo
should i do garrote ruptur garrote mutilate rupture again?
or just mutilate ande vnenmon spam
alpine hedge
How much targets am I looking at to stop envenoming, is 2 enough? assuming I have rupture on both
do I just spend on Tempest
lone junco
pretty sure we wont be doing ct at 2T. but im not certain.
that condition is in the apl for sure.
grim mason
good call
tepid frost
Is the attack speed weapon enchant any good?
proper dagger
!stat
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
devout moth
What traits are best for raiding as sin? I have 3x SS now but it only gets empowered from stealth so how does it do in the long fights? Still worth?
delicate root
you know you have Vanish, right?
tepid frost
okay, thanks @safe matrix
At which amount of targets should you use Crimson Tempest? Is it worth it to use at 3+?
lone junco
you looking for bis
devout moth
@delicate root ofc lol.. but that means you benefit 2x from it and after that its a long cd till u get any benefit again.
delicate gull
hello sin players, how does exsanguinate build feel in raids if any of you have tried?
tranquil dust
im running 3 ss
and 2 heed my clal 1 overwhelming power
should i make it 3 heed my call
Lol
lone junco
I hope for a 340 ds/ss hat tbh.
tranquil dust
i need a fucken galecallers
ran like shrine +5 8 times
no luck
got like everything else
lone junco
i have 340 ds/ss chest. 340 ds/ss shoulder. would mop me up to get the hat.
storm eagle
Wait ss shit now?
lone junco
and wreck my golds.
tranquil dust
deashot
storm eagle
^^
stuck shuttle
jk
lone junco
should play them all to respect when one is OP
lone junco
in time?
tranquil dust
LOl
tranquil dust
well its something when the top rogues are like all playing outlaw
at like glad rank
so
deft locust
cuz I play outlaw and have reached up to 1600 this season
and we've beaten tons of sins in 2's
o_o
deft locust
rip
oh, well we've prolly played 20-30 matches in 3's
and we've beaten maybe 5-10 of them, less than my 2's
I have about 80 matches in 2's atm
we played all night last night
haha
stuck shuttle
are u neverrz on Tich?
deft locust
no
deft locust
illidan
xD
Actually in 3's
I think sin is pretty good, I just prefer outlaw
I feel like I have more control
with bte
can throw out a 5 second stun at range
stuck shuttle
oh wait u are the rogue im talking about
deft locust
that's done us some great stuff so far
stuck shuttle
i always used to see you in the legion class hall
lone junco
the one with broken arms
deft locust
last xpac I wrote a guide and stuff on the rogue forums
yeah
the one with broken arms
o_o
stuck shuttle
oh yeah
deft locust
I think this xpac I like outlaw more for pvp, sin for pve
deft locust
yeah
deft locust
smoke bomb is great
swift blade
multiple pieces of azerite with sharpened blades - yay or nay?
i guess I can sim it, but still
sudden trench
short heron
prime quail
awesome
kings rest +5
newbie to the specc
2SS traits
346gs
8,5-10,5k bossdps
lone junco
@hollow rose yes. SS garrotes and Ct is nice. Vendetta Exsang for prio targets.
I don't have a high 3rd SS. So I'll mess with FOK or rupture for third slot.
prime quail
gotta get that 3rd SS traits to be fully commited
candid phoenix
the 3 SS build is reking in M+ for me
pulsar goblet
I'm simming over 1k lower with sin than I am sub and I have 3 pretty good Azerite traits. Anyone have insight? can show my sims if needed.
prime quail
lets hope for a buff on Wednesday :S
pulsar goblet
Gotcha
lone junco
@pulsar goblet make sure you are using nightly sim. Not weekly.
prime quail
at what haste cap you wanna look out for mastery/crit?
pulsar goblet
im using nightly.
lone junco
Last week the 3t was g g r. Not g g g
Pretty sure that's why the 3t sims were light on SS.
Stack Chart
west frost
I was hoarding sharpened place pieces for pvp shenans but now nerf
lone junco
Is nerf live or soon.
mint oar
deft locust
eyyyy
jolly notch
How is assassination rogues in m+ compared to the other 2 specs?
calm barn
fine I'd say
supple compass
anyone have a wa for galecallers
versed mica
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
dusky pebble
brisk atlas
safe matrix
if you look at it
by color
its actually comparable to a 380 trinket
even though its far down, at 355 ilvl its comparable to the purple/red bars of 390 of other trinkets
brisk cargo
380 frenetic corpuscle seems like shit
stuck shuttle
finally have 3xSS thank god
@ocean nebula thats maybe just BiS in term sof what u can get from raid
not BiS overall
gleaming canopy
How to best find gear with SS traits?
worthy carbon
lusty finch
hey fellas ive respecced to Assa and people are tellin gme to pool my energy, any ideas?
stuck shuttle
saving energy for certain moments
like pooling before TB is about to come up
or pooling in between EP buffs
lusty finch
EP?
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
safe matrix
but the pins at the top right also have some pretty nifty information^^
lusty finch
brilliant cheers fellas
storm eagle
Exsanguinate build is coming back?
lusty schooner
Anyone know if the SS bug has been fixed yet
safe matrix
not to our knowledge
lusty schooner
Layme
pulsar goblet
I've mostly been playing sub, what is the bug?
lusty schooner
Why does the ravenholdt guide say garrote - rupture - garrote
supple hearth
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
native fjord
anyone have the weak aura's list for sin?
deft locust
@lusty schooner do you mean for opener on ST?
terse pendant
CT worth on zul?
fickle hazel
So wait, if we have SS we can't use garrote outside of subterfuge if we want to keep the SS damage?
At least until the initial garrotes drop?
lusty schooner
@deft locust aye
bold ice
Outlaw rogue coming to check in... How you guys doing in pve? Expecting any nerfs?
barren forge
spare narwhal
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
obsidian obsidian
how many ilvls would you say an ss piece is worth? i'd still have another piece with it, but this would drop me to only 1
west frost
@lusty schooner slightly more uptime for garrote, enough for vendetta duration and we don't need a 5 cp rupture to start, 3 lines up with when we want to stop envenom spamming with tb anyway
@Charrow sim it
lusty schooner
Interesting, I'll give it a shot instead of 2x garrote
lusty schooner
How does it differ for tb env
potent forge
are the exsanguinate profile changes live on simc/raidbots
west frost
Yes for nightly
potent forge
is the talent setup for exsang the same thing just with exsang
west frost
It just means going into tb you have 3cp rather than none and have to use a more expensive combo builder in mut to get to 4-5
Should be same unless you were running mp
west frost
Yeah it does for most
You've gotta have real high crit I think for exsang to sim higher
bold ice
I have 2 ss pieces, what's another solid trait to match with those? Engi goggles?
tribal jolt
Does it even make sense to run multiple SS
I didn't think the Bennie's even mattered to stack
dense cedar
stacking them makes the damage insane
subtle lodge
prime cosmos
does exsang bleed all mobs with bleeds faster or just current target?
daring imp
@tribal jolt think about it like this, w/o empowering garrote, crits tick barely 2k damage on garrote
with subterfuge+3ss, i see 12~13k on the empowered crits
tribal jolt
Hmm didn't think it would be that big a change since it's just garrote affected
deft locust
@prime cosmos just ST
solid mural
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
quaint rune
we are back!!!
karmic swan
Could anyone tell me why should I go for Archive of the Titans when SS sims higher with my 340 shoulder than Archive with 355?
lean mantle
Is energy pooling for envenom still a thing or should it just be fire and forget for now?
flint zodiac
So does poison bomb just do like poop damage? It's like 1.3% of my DPS in ST
Seems like none of the T100 talents are particularly strong, just kinda there
flint zodiac
You think use CT in a mythic dg?
night cypress
like, by a lot
the argument is, if you're lacking aoe ct will bump it but you'll lose dps on st
if you've got arms/frost or some other big aoe class you probably don't need ct
but if you wanna flex on trash take ct
or hope for procs
flint zodiac
hm
terse pawn
how does CT work in mythics
flint zodiac
Maybe I'll just stick with the bomb. My AOE rotation seems quite busy already with multidotting
terse pawn
you just use that or do some ruptures first?
you need the bleeds up to maintain energy right?
flint zodiac
Venomous Wounds DOESN'T give you the energy/tick off CT. Only rupture and garrote
so I don't think you'd want to lead with CT if you have taken that talent
terse pawn
so like get a few ruptures off first then start blowing CP on CT?
tender walrus
Or fan of knives into cts?
flint zodiac
Every guide I've seen always has the bomb, so no one even seems to talk about the best way to utilize CT haha
From what I can imagine though, fan, miltidot with rupture (and garrote if subterfuged) and then maybe blow a CT?
terse pawn
yeah that's why i'm confused, i usually play sub but wanted a change of pace
no idea how CT is supposed to fit in
flint zodiac
I swapped from outlaw to assassin. It feels like i'm playing a melee affliction lock, and aff was my main for legion
I like less APM, more thinking
strange python
On aoe from stealth g g g CT Fok FoK rupture spread
Refresh CT dot when it falls off
flint zodiac
Gotcha, sounds good
thin ingot
13.9k dps on ghuun
terse pawn
ah kk
terse pawn
that's garrote with ss right? Without it i'd want to FoK to 5 cp first?
strange python
Yes
terse pawn
cool
tender walrus
Is ct better in uldir?
tender walrus
Okay thanks
elder cypress
Sharpened Blades (Azerite Trait) effectiveness reduced by 65% when when engaged in combat with enemy players.
dayum
slate agate
I hear a lot of talk about exsang, but what’s the deal here? I have 3x SS and it sims 1-2k lower than TB
strange python
i havent seen it sim higher ever
It is really fun to use tho
I mean it even sims higher with the basic profiles
There is no longer TB in stacked charts
Its Ex now
Shit is so broken
Cant sim right now away from pc does it really sim higher than TB? On nightly patchwerk?
Pulling 25k ish in ST
In m+ keys
lone junco
probably not. he plays dk i think
flint zodiac
I can't wait to find a woman, get married, build a life, and have some kids
just so I can teach them about prequel memes
tender walrus
How come exssng isnt simming higher for me?
tender walrus
Whats nightly?
karmic swan
@lone junco ...what nightly?
karmic swan
Any idea why Archive of the Titans sims lower than my other shoulder with SS and lower ilvl?
tender walrus
Cos ss is broken?
lone junco
action priority list
tender walrus
Oh okay
lone junco
ss is not broken, just really good for 25 3t
tender walrus
I just used nightly and its still 200 dps less
lone junco
exsang is a 30sec burst.
tender walrus
10917 with tb
tender walrus
None with ss tho
tender walrus
They give 325s though right?
median steeple
up to 340
thin ingot
TB still sims higher
karmic swan
actually gonk outrunner shoulderguards have ss
ah soz, thought it was shoulders but no
my bad @tender walrus
lone junco
karmic swan
ye, i'm using the same
tender walrus
Is there a chance to have them upgraded to 340 like other gear gets upgraded?
karmic swan
but they can upgrade to up to 340
tender walrus
Oh wow
karmic swan
that's what @lone junco meant.
tender walrus
Guess i fucked up
strange python
They cap
karmic swan
@lone junco well, at ilvl 348 the azerite gear still shows 325 for me
strange python
At 325
lone junco
what I was saying is that a good trait on a 300 is better than shit at higher.
strange python
Some rewards are 330
karmic swan
@strange python i kinda missed that they cannot forge. you have a source?
opaque grotto
I’m 353 and azerite gear is still 325 on the map
strange python
Im to lazy to find blue
opaque grotto
Shit is useless lol
strange python
But feel free to find a single azerite item
lone junco
the boxes are higher
strange python
That is wf or tf
tender walrus
@strange python so the only way is mythics right? To get 340s
tender walrus
Where did u guys get the rest then if there s just one shoulders?
strange python
Well if you go with full leather group
And trade bis trait items
You gonna get them ez
strange python
No luck needed
tender walrus
Where do u get the head and chest if m0 only drops shoulders?
tender walrus
Oh okay i misunderstood
lone junco
just do more content. and dont scrap the azerite over 325 until after balance.
tender walrus
Yh thanks ill get my leather homies to do m+ with me
thin ingot
your bags
strange python
Fam.
thin ingot
dude
strange python
Get AdiBags
thin ingot
worse than asmongold bags
strange python
Jesus
lone junco
ui textures and shit like bag mod doesnt give me another dps. so im good.
strange python
It just saves time by sorting your stuff for you
lone junco
once they added the search bar, its all good now.
ripe bane
pastel vault
is there somewhere I can read about the exsang build?
or did someone incorrect tell me it's becoming better than toxic blade
molten shard
is darkmoon fathoms better than heroic raid trinkets?
vernal sinew
Guys, how is possible alla BIS coming from M+ and no one single piece in Uldir?
pastel vault
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4LGB9ydr4fcvgmPG4SDsAy this isnt a thing right?
elder cypress
@vernal sinew udir has some bis too eg chest of fetid devourer
strange python
Simming almost 13.5 with exsang
elder cypress
and weapon / ring from second boss
strange python
At 349
tender walrus
So if i have 0 ss should i still exsg?
strange python
Probably not
slender hare
im not simming better with exsg because my haste is shite
strange python
Ye the shrine trinket is insane for exsang
slender hare
Yeah i'll be running a lot of SotS this weekend for it
strange python
Was running shrine m+ with 5 agi users just to get it
slender hare
oh man lol
trinkets/rings should be much easier to get in m+ runs this expansion though right? since helm/chest/shoulder wont drop
strange python
Ye there is smaller pool of items
vernal sinew
@elder cypress i see, But. .. why icy vein dont upgrade his guide for assa rogue?
I Whatch all section and only outlaw/sub have a Good guide.
strange python
Stuff like icy veins prob gets updated couple times a tier
tender walrus
@slender hare how? They dont drop azerite pcs?
vernal sinew
So for 3 ss piece i need to run only M+?
slender hare
@tender walrus from the weekly m+ chest
nocturne gate
@vernal sinew things changing to fast currently
vestal dune
With the garrote rup garrote opener do you find toxic blades to always line up with rupture running out?
On pure st
elder cypress
@vernal sinew for 3 ss u cant only hope on looting chest in udir and run mythic0 for the other peaces
i have only 1 ss too
no luck
vernal sinew
@elder cypress so for BIS with SS trait we need to run M+ 😀
elder cypress
THERE ARE NO AZERIT ITEMS IN M+
warm void
vernal sinew
Oh... bad news 😂
sacred seal
I feel pretty lonely as a sin on my server 😄 but im hanging there 😃
civic palm
Pardon?
serene nacelle
Shrouded Suffocation?
signal salmon
Ty @serene nacelle
stone briar
Anyone run m+ a lot? Is MfD worth taking?
strange python
No
tall matrix
I know the pin says use highest weighted stats, just to confirm though - gale-force is definitely not worth?
civic palm
You can sim it for yourself and see, might be worth the weapon you are putting it on.
strange python
Guys, my old wa for pb proc don't work actually in bfa.. do you have one ?
civic palm
no
real night
Anyone done high M+s (10ish) as sin? How was the experience?
strange python
Lets just say that 3x SS exsang destroys sub on prio target dmg (infested)
flat laurel
Ive done a 8+ so far, pretty esay
real night
So we run exsanguinate in M+?
real night
Cool will test it out
alpine grotto
I did well this week finished top on a few fights and came in top 5 most of the time in guild run. I think don has lots of potential.
devout jolt
Got a 355 Galecallers last night to replace my 340 one 👌
cloud spindle
They stealth nerfed the azerite traits
strange python
real night
Which azerite trait(s) were stealth nerfed?
strange python
Delay vendetta and trinket for vanish make third exang scale with the next vendetta vanish setup pretty awesome
vestal wren
i dont see ss nerfs in the spell data, so sin might be untouched
real night
Where can documentation of stealth nerfs be found?
radiant fossil
what does sin means ?
real night
Short for Assassination
left walrus
Hey! Any tips where I can find some daggers? Done every dungeon and every world quests and all Im getting is fists/swords/maces regardless of loot spec 😦
radiant fossil
@real night thx @left walrus Check out pvp rewards, dagger 345
left walrus
Is that for capping conquest?
hollow escarp
hmm, does exsanguinate affects your main target or all bleeds around?
radiant fossil
@left walrus yes
devout jolt
main target I believe
hollow escarp
wanna try it with 3 x SS
left walrus
Ok thanks @radiant fossil
soft island
@hollow escarp only your target
glacial steppe
CT for Zul?
nimble tartan
BUY SIN NOW
SELL SUB
dam when is herodamage.com gonna put spec stock market in there
jovial kite
@glacial steppe sub for zul
Its de only wae
We'll be running five subs on mythic
opal sierra
So sin rogue for raid after the sub and outlaw rogue nerf?
nimble tartan
SELL SUB STOCK NOW
jovial kite
Wait until tuesday
strange python
I mean
nimble tartan
OUTLAW STOCK STILL RISING BECAUSE OF HOLDERS
strange python
If you were smart
nimble tartan
sin stock ROCKETING
opal sierra
Lol
opal sierra
What do u guys mean for buy sin stock?
lament dove
playing sin since 12 years, tears in my eyes
strange python
Told my m+ group to log leather alts cos we running shrine untill trinket drops
nimble tartan
im developing a website where you can buy and sell spec stocks
so if you think something will get nerfed u can sell ur stock in it
and mantain big value
its called SPECMARKET.COM
main blaze
for the memes maguan
opal sierra
Lol ok
nimble tartan
for example the stock of sub been rising for a long time right it was op people not in the know still buying sub yesterday
but the big brains been selling it the last week'
and buying low sin with the profits
opal sierra
For simulation craft it seems like sin is very close to sub
Just curious what spec should I go for raid after the nerf
wise whale
do a cash settled equity swap to sin
main blaze
Got 2 100% this week so Im pretty happy.
elder cypress
i have an txt file with all haste/crit items and where to find em
i wrote it in onenote looks way better there 😉
delicate root
What's this? Exsang is back?! 😮
hoary island
hey... just wondered if shrouded suffocation stacks?!
dusk turret
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
hoary island
nice, thx
atomic jay
Watching Frag and Kusar play sin rogue is fun.
Makes me want to play one leveling up but I'm not sure how good that is
lone junco
Once the SS bug is resolved it will be better.
slate agate
If you refresh a ss garrote out of stealth will it keep the ss damage ?
strange python
How is Assi fairing in Myth+? Been Outlaw mostly but I kind of miss assi
lone junco
Play it with SS. Then decide.
slate agate
Oh I heard that the SS bug was a dps favorable bug, never figured out what it was
lofty sand
its a big annoyiance
atomic jay
Is Sin an acceptable class to level with or is it just easier with outlaw?
opaque grotto
Sub is disabled until you hit 120 sorry
atomic jay
I've only played outlaw when leveling but its rather boring. Didn't know if Sin was doable with normal gear or if you needed legendaries
agile bane
lofty sand
I personally prefer leveling and doing quests as assassination
not sure if its "acceptable", never met the leveling police 👮
noble imp
@opaque grotto and like 330 ilvl
tender walrus
Any assassination streamers you guys reccomend?
karmic swan
@lone junco could you please elaborate what the SS bug is about? I thought I got it, but I don't.
elder cypress
@karmic swan it is in the pinned messages
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
karmic swan
Ah yeah I've read the pins before this part was added. How clumsy of me. Thanks a lot @elder cypress & @frigid lagoon
lone junco
My damage goes from 7k ticks to 2k ticks. You'll know if you break it.
real night
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but the solution is to let buffed garottes completely fall off then use regular garottes?
lusty schooner
Yup
lone junco
Outside subterfuge garrote is like 800 tick. So idk why I bother using without SS anyway.
20k garrote crit ticks on vendetta then exsang tho. Prio by definition. Without need for the cleave trash from sub.
buoyant kraken
How is assassination in dungeons?
marble hemlock
does the bug work the other way around btw?
as in
non-subter garrote
wait for cd to refresh
vanish, triple garrote on different targets, is the first one getting buffed? 😄
main blaze
Assn in m+ with 3x SS is very good @buoyant kraken
buoyant kraken
@main blaze what makes it so good? Cus when i think back to legion, and assa in dungeons, it was always beat by sub and outlaw by a lot
main blaze
3x garrote every pull
well if you pull 3 mobs
ST damage is very good
and if you pull 5+ you can do garrote x3 > vanish > garrote x3 and do crazy damage
buoyant kraken
So is it like, subterfuge garrote on 3 targets, and then rupture?
and then just envenom spam?
rough wedge
the only way I get decent AOE dps is keep envenom buff up and spam FoN, spending points on a rupture or two so I can get the bonus energy
if I try to keep bleeds up on everything Ill do fractional DPS compared to a frost mage who Orbs and casts blizzard
then chillaxes while they pull i n 20kDPS+
flat laurel
Assa got any stealth nerf yet?
main blaze
Why stealth?
flat laurel
Sub got a trait nerf
rough wedge
to be fair, the trait was hittign for liek 55k non crit
they nerfed it for players only
flat laurel
Do you think SS will get nerfed?
rough wedge
not now
flat laurel
Since garrote is the main ability right now and we play around it
rough wedge
if they were gonna nerf it, they woulda done it with the last adjustment
instead of lowerign it vs players, they woulda cut into it's damage overall
warm parcel
You do realize ss is completely busted and over the power curve
And that assa does more than great aoe with it
pallid fjord
marble hemlock
nah
most classes have multiple good ones,and one great one
and who wouldve thought, but stacking that great one is way too good
its relic-stacking from legion all over again
fast nacelle
if you compare the spec specific ones
to the general ones
you see that it doesnt work like it should
marble hemlock
well, for most casters they just fucked up the class specific ones so everyone takes TB 😃
fast nacelle
yeah
i guess best would be that spec specific should have 3-4 ST traits which perform best
and that general traits should be good for aoe
marble hemlock
well, its different per spec
fast nacelle
so you can use them in m+ on w/e spec
marble hemlock
for example i think its by design that sub doesnt have any proper aoe traits
since its kind of supposed to be the prio/st spec
whereas assa has multiple ways to scale their aoe, since its "supposed" to be the sustained aoe spec
at least thats my take on it
fast nacelle
its hard to find a use of spec specific traits
and "general" ones
if general ones are just good for every spec in st and aoe
marble hemlock
give each spec a niche they excel at, and then enable that spec to further specialize via traits
fast nacelle
then we dont need general traits at all
marble hemlock
but keeping the weaknesses like they are
marble hemlock
but yes
its clear they couldnt come up with plenty of spec-specific traits
so they just added a bunch of general ones
otherwise theyd have to have people at blizzard that actually knew something about each spec
and not just mage
lofty sand
well they probably plan on expanding it as the expansion goes, no point in doing a bunch now
fast nacelle
there is no way to make it useful - either you overbuff general ones or you make them weaker than specific ones (which i agree would be best... make spec specific traits for ST and for the niche they fit)
jovial kite
im seeing one possible future where ss is nerfed but garrote is buffed
marble hemlock
and not developed over time
marble hemlock
yup
fast nacelle
the whole system.. the general ones make no sense
jovial kite
resulting in a total nerf but balancing traits
marble hemlock
but run around with m0 340 azerite pieces
because the weekly chest didnt provide a higher ilvl one
and the bis traits rarely drop in raids
fast nacelle
^
they tried so hard
to go away from artefact
and failed...
no flame but its just a fact
mixing up general and spec specific traits was a bad idea
how do you balance all that without overbuffing/nerfing them
they could say: ok general traits are in general weaker in ST and aoe but they can be used in all 3 specs
spec specific traits should always have ST options (in best case balanced ones who change your rotation slightly for some impact feeling like t sets)
and 2-3 spec specific aoe niche traits
which always feel better than general ones for your spec
and general ones are the ones you take when you have the "bad specific" traits
but overall a decent filler for the specs
marble hemlock
general ones should be worse than spec specific ones, so theyre a backup choice in case the spec-specific one on the piece you just got sucks
theyd have to cut down the number of general ones tho
tidal sedge
Finally i have obtained 3 SS pieces
marble hemlock
having more general ones than spec specific ones is kind of ass
tidal sedge
😄
marble hemlock
im also seriously wondering
whether the rogue-designer
has a patent for SS-alliterations
feels like every third trait or ability or talent could be shortened to SS nowadays...
opaque grotto
Put spec specific traits in the outer ring, general traits in the inner ring and reduce their power a bit
BOOM DONE
fast nacelle
in a perfect world (for me) it would be:
3 ST general
3 ST aoe/cleave
all 6 worse than specific ones
3-4 ST specific (which buff /change talents or spells slightly and try to balance it based on talent/spec)
3-4 nice(aoe/cleave) specific
nimble gulch
Xd i dont get the problem XD
fast nacelle
and then you can do new class specific ones every tier
which are dmg wise balanced to the remaining one
nimble gulch
i find it all totaly chilled
marble hemlock
setbonuses then
fast nacelle
yes
marble hemlock
and youd probably grind older azerite traits even after the new tier comes out
opaque grotto
I don’t have any problems with set bonuses honestly
marble hemlock
if they happen to be more powerful than the new ones
fast nacelle
what was the issue with set bonuses?
marble hemlock
dont think anyone had @opaque grotto
fast nacelle
nothing
marble hemlock
except for blizzard
fast nacelle
the split raids
marble hemlock
like
marble hemlock
legion had a problem with too many slots being taken by mandatory items
but sets werent the problem
trinkets, legendaries and the weapon were
fast nacelle
yes - this is solved
with 3 fix items
also you dont have the old issue with farming old ones
new ones can have "old" ones and new ones
or maybe even add a ring
nothing wrong with having progression
marble hemlock
well
fast nacelle
and more rings
marble hemlock
thats much more elaborate to consistently balance
than just shuffling numbers around every couple of weeks
nimble gulch
why not keep it
fast nacelle
not as much as traits t sets and legendaries
nimble gulch
XD so mayn ppl are just crying so much for the past week
marble hemlock
i mean sure, but we've pretty much already established that balancing efforts in legion were too much effort
and now youre crying about people crying @nimble gulch
welcome to the party
nimble gulch
yup cause its so anoying
fast nacelle
why do people always think its crying
when you critize current weakpoints
of a game we like
its like being that naive tard
marble hemlock
where do you live, so i can call the police on the person holding a gun to your head forcing you to read this
fast nacelle
who just white knights
nimble gulch
XD what weak points
nimble gulch
Its just the fact of reeeeeeeee about things you cant change XD
i didnt join this discord to read ppl that complain about minor weak points
marble hemlock
well, discussing stuff and thinking of better way to do certain things, i.e. core mechanics in the game we all play, might help give better feedback for changes further down the line?
like, if you want to just be spoonfed everything by blizzard, go ahead, but id rather think about how things could improve and then give feedback to maybe shape how things will turn out in a few months
nimble gulch
XD Like blizzard every carred about cummunity report about fixes
😄 then have fun dreaming
marble hemlock
sounds like someone is crying about blizzard not listening to the community 🤔
nimble gulch
who?
marble hemlock
anyway, pointless discussion
nimble gulch
Yup
magic fossil
with how much hast sins become viable?
marble hemlock
@fast nacelle im not sure blizz is comfortable redoing the azerite system until uldir is done
fast nacelle
they dont need to
its not like its unplayable
but i feel like the current system is far from finished
too many traits... too little balancing
and also meaining.. and expanding to just more traits will make it worse rather than good
nothing wrong with removing some "useless" ones after uldir
marble hemlock
well yeah
fast nacelle
and redoing /buffing some specific ones or nerfing general ones
marble hemlock
there hasnt really been multiple iterations on how to do this that couldve been tested on beta
so now the testing happens on live
marble hemlock
not really, i wouldve preferred for them to try out multiple versions on beta, and then choose the one that seemed to be the best fit, and going on from there
yeah well
id prefer if theyd learn from past mistakes and not repeat legion
right now it looks like we're gonna be guinea pigs again and the azerite system will finally feel good in a year
nimble gulch
This is so anoyning can you guys talk somwhere else about it no one else cares about this
marble hemlock
just mute the channel and leave?
nimble gulch
Good point 😄 Thanks
marble hemlock
but about what you said earlier tyra, im not sure every spec should have multiple st/aoe traits etc.
main blaze
lol
marble hemlock
i like how assa right now has multiple ways to scale aoe
fast nacelle
what did he say - i muted him after his second sentence
fast nacelle
yeah well
main blaze
So far BfA has good intentions like Legion did but Legion was more polished than BfA is. BfA feels like there are a bunch of decent ideas that just havent been worked out as well as legion had
marble hemlock
i really like how each rogue spec has a very distinct niche where it excels
main blaze
Yeah
marble hemlock
i hope they dont completely overhaul all of that
steep citrus
start of legion had legendaries that felt mandatory to be good, now it's traits
main blaze
I think our three specs are so good right now
fast nacelle
bfa seems like pre expansion to legion
would make sense... we transform a little fucker ship as order hall to actual order halls
random followers to a real systemn
azerite traits to weapons with progression
legendaries... removing gcd
would make more sense in many ways
introducing t sets
😄
lol... everything in bfa feels just like a nerf
steep citrus
and we're back to focusing on horde v ally. you're right. it's a prequel reboot thing
marble hemlock
well, if they wanna scale down every classes capabilities, they gotta do it at some point
steep citrus
directed by christopher nolan
marble hemlock
like
from my pov
they got like
1.5-2more years
to dumb down the game
so they can release the next expac for pc and consoles at the same time
frank sentinel
mobile
fast nacelle
and add lootbox
marble hemlock
cant have more than 4 rotational abilities
to bind to the 4 main buttons on controllers 🤷
remote oak
Combo abilities like DS. Good luck kicking with a dagger 😏
ornate marlin
I asked in the pvp section but the question was overlooked. Dealing with the toolset sin has, I understand certain comps like sin/boom/disc and so on work more efficiently, but would a dh be fine as the second dps or would there be too much clash between skills?
compact sinew
ornate marlin
What I thought lol
rough wedge
wow,
slow stag
do we stack shrouded suffocation?
slow stag
do you still get 2 combo points even if you stack 3? but the dmg scales ?
delicate root
20k dps on 3rd boss in motherlode - boss was dead in 38 sec 😛
garotte did 1/3 of the boss' hp
slow stag
damn nice
warm sable
Really ? Whats your opener and iLvL Napalm ?
delicate root
opener from the guide
warm sable
I couldn't go more than 15k but i think not bad https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FMBfwn836hTVGCN1#fight=5&type=damage-done
delicate root
im 349 ilvl
warm sable
P.S. I don't have 3rd SS is that big difference ???
delicate root
triple SS, triple heed
heady vapor
is haste still the go-to secondary stat for single target?
devout jolt
TB currently sims higher for my by about 100 but Exsa is so fun idgaf.
fair hill
torn locust
Anyone else having issues where [Subterfuge] just doesnt work every now and then?
warm parcel
dont use trinket so quickly
torn locust
oh shit
warm parcel
Trinkets still remove subter buff
ocean nebula
-Shrouded Suffocation is currently bugged as of sept 1, If you apply 1-3 garrotes in subterfuge, and then apply another garrote outside of subterfuge, all of your garrotes lose the shrouded suffocation multiplier. The subterfuge multiplier still stays.
torn locust
I had my trinkets macro'd into Garrote 😮
warm parcel
I just garrote 3 targets and then drop gale
warm parcel
Trinket from shrine
torn locust
Ah
karmic cliff
is it important to play with 2 daggers ? or i can go with 1 dagger and random OM
warm parcel
You can try a sword in offhand
prisma pond
Didn't know that about trinkets. So using Lions Guile right after garroting from stealth removes the subterfuge buff?
warm parcel
or just using it from stealth right away
prisma pond
Does it remove the damage buff or the short window to cast stealth moves
prisma pond
Oh understood. Then I was fine. By the time I use trinket sub has run out anyway
thin plinth
guys can someone explain the darkmoon deck
sweet flame
it does damage
warm parcel
It throws anchors
prisma pond
It drops anchors on your targets head. These anchors vary in damage based on the number of the deck. Ace is low 7 is stronk
thin plinth
so the only thing i have to do is to have it equipped
prisma pond
And hit stuff
prisma pond
You'll see anchors float down randomly and smack your target
thin plinth
so its even better then the dices
torn locust
Guys I can't stop switching between all the sepcs idk what I like more xD
thin plinth
guys rogues dont have 2 interrupts do they ? sorry for the dumb question
stuck shuttle
i guess you can count garrote from stealth
royal lantern
kick/kidney/blind/vanish->garrote/vanish->cheapshot
sweet flame
bte, blind, gouge, cheap shot, kick, kidney, etc.
strange python
exsang is simming literally 8 dps lower for me rn
I'm worried I'll be making more errors with exsang tho
lapis hollow
how much haste do you have guys ?
valid dawn
Can't decide between assa/sub for Uldir/M+ life is hard 
hollow junco
i feel strongly that the design of nearly all the encounters encourages sub for optimal raid benefit and outlaw for optimal padding
fiery mauve
subt prob better for uldir overrall, assass pretty good in m+ atm imo
hollow junco
sin, while by no means a weak spec, isn't going to be as helpful in "oh shit, adds" situations and its damage is frontloaded on the pull or gated behind 2min cooldowns
strange python
@lapis hollow I'm right at 17%
fiery mauve
imo assass advantage > subt in m+ is that CT doesnt have a cd where sextec does
and while cd isnt so bad, subt is more damg in windows
hollow junco
CT isn't even all that great
fiery mauve
u right, but when u cant sdance and sextec subt aoe isnt so great
hollow junco
it gives you an aoe finisher for those moments when you want to look good on the meters by burning down the 20 aqua blobs before the first boss in shrine
and its a minor trying very hard to be moderate gain on trash IF there's enough targets and IF combat lasts long enough
royal lantern
tbf, its not like you have many other options beside ct too choose from
cerulean walrus
So, they had the hotfixes, and then didn't fix SS? 🤔
royal lantern
PB dmg is ridicolous low and hidden blades is....well.......
hollow junco
i feel like the PVE tuning hotfixes are still pending
stuck shuttle
pls don't touch SS