assassination

[undone lodge]

guys do you know to set WA for empowered rupture and Garrote?

[river quarry]

sub much effort

[undone lodge]

*how

[river quarry]

fun at times but distracting with lots of mechanics

[cinder palm]

Well that’s good sin is losing to sub lol

I loved sub in legion but man.... I’m tired now

[hollow stone]

Sin is our lowest simming spec on patchwerk fights

[cinder palm]

I just wanna play bleeds

[hollow stone]

But sims are sims and not real

[river quarry]

warcraftlogs indicates that sub>sin atm

well, seemingly anyway

lmao

[hollow stone]

Can we be best friends, des? I agree with this too lol

[cinder palm]

Yeah we’ll at least numbers are showing sin doing lower dmg. So maybe they won’t nerf it😂 Sin is like sleeper spec right now.

[river quarry]

wish it didn't cause in a way yeah, sub is fun but again. mechanics. it's fucking distracting

and a lot of effort/work every pull/wipe

sin is just chill

[hollow stone]

Thats just it. The other rogue in my group is playing sub. And when im getting a "perfect rotation" and he's not, i pull more dps. And the likelihood of perfect rotation as sin is higher than sub

[river quarry]

when fuck tons of mechanics start

you start to make a lot of errors as sub

it's kinda unavoidable

[cerulean walrus]

As I've always said, Sin may be lower in raw numbers, but they win because their damage is reliable 100%

[hollow stone]

Yup

[river quarry]

too much going on

[cerulean walrus]

Even when you have to be on the other side of the room, you have bleeds and poisons up still dealing damage

[cinder palm]

Sin is gonna pump so hard as the xpac progresses with gear too..

[cerulean walrus]

The people who complain that sin is overpowered at the end of an xpac just don't understand how long it takes us to get there

We scale with secondary stats

[lofty sand]

Sub is a great spec if you play like a robot or has enough stats to make it so even with mistakes you still outdps everyone. Sin is just solid.

[opaque grotto]

“play like a robot”

Sub really isn’t that difficult

[calm barn]

so for uldir, crimson tempest or poison bomb, in general?

[opaque grotto]

PB

[chrome mural]

Ye pb

Unless its a heavy adds fight then ct might be better

[vapid fiber]

hey, probably a dumb question, I've SS in all 3 slots and about 40% of my damage comes from garrote (on single target) while all the other abilities do about 10%-15%
Is this normal or am I doing something wrong and the other abilities should do a more balanced damage?

[main blaze]

Crimson Tempest is maaaybe Zekvoz and Zul otherwise PB

but PB works for every fight

[chrome mural]

^

[opaque grotto]

Sablack I think in like a 5 minute fight garrote is almost 30%

[vapid fiber]

so is it ok for it to deal the majority of the damage?

[opaque grotto]

Just sim yourself

That’ll tell you how much it should be doing

[main blaze]

Its on par with other builds we've seen

Rupture at the start of legion. We had the AP build that had envenom at a similar %

[daring cave]

Quick question. If I have x2 SS and I still garroting 2 times then Rup or 3x then rup

[inland gull]

guys if ur gonna be mostly m+ and weekly hc pug for inner ring

gutripper vs heed my call vs unstqble flames

all seem close

[main blaze]

heed is probably best since its aoe

[fresh ginkgo]

heed seems to not proc when i need it lol

maybe i dont pay attention enough

[thin plinth]

waht do you guys thing about the trinket from the first boss ?

[main blaze]

Not that good

[fresh ginkgo]

i like the haste trait tho

[main blaze]

None of the trinkets in Uldir are that good for us

[inland gull]

any1 tried gutripper yet? for m+

like if i fok on low hp 5 mob can ut proc on all?

[slender peak]

Sin was great in raid last night. Was pulling great dps. Just a word of advice. Make sure you arent standing in a frontal cleave before trying to figure out what a debuff does 😂

[potent forge]

How is assass aoe

[slender peak]

Great was pulling 20k+ on trash in raid with pb

[jovial kite]

[slender peak]

Kinda want to try pb over ct in m+ and see what I can pull

[vapid fiber]

@slender peak lmao in the face of the haters saying sin is bad right now

[potent forge]

The bleed build is actually looking decent now right?

[tranquil dust]

how is sin atm

i miss playing it

[keen hound]

sin did great in my raid group

I have 3 trait

[tranquil dust]

what were they pullingg

[keen hound]

SS and it was great

[tranquil dust]

sub is good dont get me wrong

was pulling high dps

but yeah reliability wise and

cant really excel in both categories at once

aoe and st

without trade offs

[alpine lodge]

where can i find out how much haste i need?

[tranquil dust]

sim it

[alpine lodge]

how?

[vapid fiber]

I like sub but it requires too much management to achieve an optimal output, and if you don't play correctly the dps is shit, sin doesn't have this problem

[tranquil dust]

download simulation craft copy the stirng and paste into raidbots

[alpine lodge]

i use simc, but i cant find any place that will read my data to tell me what i need

[lofty sand]

I can answer that for you, you need all of the haste you can get

[alpine lodge]

i did

[tranquil dust]

it really does haha

like u gotta manage ur gcds

pool energy at times

espescially if ur running the sec tec build

it feels so wonky

[alpine lodge]

sec tec

?

[vapid fiber]

ye :/

[tranquil dust]

secret technique

[alpine lodge]

ooh sub mb

[keen hound]

The real benefit for sin over subt is that we do okay w/ lower uptime

[jovial kite]

13.6k on mother

hc

[keen hound]

my mother parse is nothing lol

was first group to go thru b/c of stuns and kicks

[lofty sand]

Earlier I said that Sub is great if you play like a robot and someone said "its not that hard", no specs are hard really but sub punishes you really hard if you fuck up while Sin doesn't

[tranquil dust]

havent checked much of optimal items for sin

but fathoms sucks for sin huh

interesting

[kindred cedar]

Fathoms are good for sin last i checked

[lofty sand]

Fathoms is good

[jovial kite]

https://gyazo.com/9f2f6e70f552aca80549adc89e87dd3b

[tranquil dust]

hrm bloodmalelt shows it near the bottom

[jovial kite]

sin topping on mother hc

[main blaze]

Yeah fathoms is very good

[tranquil dust]

hows the rotation for BFA sin

similar to legion?

[kindred cedar]

Dont look at how High it is

Compare the bars against ilvls

And u will see its good

[main blaze]

For a 355 trinket it beats out every other trinket by a million miles

[tranquil dust]

hows sin for mythic+?

[main blaze]

I like it

[keen hound]

sin is good for m+

[main blaze]

Its pretty strong since most pulls are 5-6 mobs

and you can get those nice SS garrotes every pull on 3 mobs

[keen hound]

yep

3 garrotes going is ridiculous dmg

[vapid fiber]

top dps at every pull unless the pull lasts infinite time

[keen hound]

or if it dies instantly

[vapid fiber]

spreading bleeds is ludicrous atm

[lofty sand]

if the pull lasts forever the tendency is that you stay ahead of everyone

[daring imp]

^

[keen hound]

looking at the parses

my dmg peaks were way higher than anyone in the raid w/ vanish+garrote

[jovial kite]

maybe ur raid is bad

[keen hound]

especially when al the cd's lined up

[main blaze]

My zekvoz would have been much better cause I had CDs ready to grab the orb right at the last 30s of the fight

but a tank stole my orb

-_-

[winter gale]

Guys

Gallecallers Boon or whatever the name is... can you tell me when to use it on pulls?

[keen hound]

when you will have time to stand in it

[daring imp]

with your 1st stealthed garrote to tick it like crazy from the start

[keen hound]

as often as possible

[daring imp]

wait that one is the haste buff on the floor right?

[keen hound]

yeah

[winter gale]

Yes yes

[daring imp]

yea so probably with the 1st stealthed garrote to tick it like crazy from the start, specially on m+

just don't move too much @_@"

[keen hound]

I usually wait for the vanish garrote reapply to use mine

along w/ vendetta andd toxic blade

first garrote, the boss is usually gtting repositioned still

so chance to have to move out of the area to even stay on the boss

[daring imp]

that might be best for raiding

[kindred cedar]

Im using it asap tanks start to stand still

[daring imp]

i'd put it on macro with toxic blades

[kindred cedar]

Just save it until u feel u can probs stand for entire duration

[tulip wedge]

new to assassin but how is Shrouded Suffocation the best trait if it only applies maybe twice(initial and vanish) a battle with stealth garrote?

[keen hound]

it does insane damage

[deft locust]

stacks heavily

like... huge stacks

[keen hound]

and in raids, y ou will probably get more than 1 vanish

[deft locust]

it's only slightly better than sb on st

[keen hound]

vanish about 20-22 sec into pull, then 2 minutes later you can vanish again

[deft locust]

where it shines is multiple targets

[blazing snow]

X3 garrote every trash pull in mythic with x3 ss is my jam

[deft locust]

ye

[lone junco]

Feels good man.

[deft locust]

ss is great

it's hilarious when an outlaw can't keep up with you on 5 targets

[forest folio]

hey what is the avg dps for assa on single target?

[keen hound]

yeh, only problem i had was my tanks would sometimes chain pull and i couldn't get back into stealth 😂

[deft locust]

they might burst to 25k but as sin ill stay at 25k on five

yell at em

😧

[coral cosmos]

I shouldn't feel bad for such low haste walking into Uldir, should I? Feel like my stats are all wonky, but I'd assume this is that time we are to slowly build out to what we actually need to use.

[kindred cedar]

How much haste u got?

[jovial kite]

https://gyazo.com/91904c65f68101289086d63e9c5ff5d3

devourer deeps

rank ones all around

[coral cosmos]

@kindred cedar 917 (13.4%)

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/uther/Nimtaj

[kindred cedar]

Ah im at 19% atm 🤔

But yeah just do ur best

[coral cosmos]

Hopefully the next week or so will help balance that out

[kindred cedar]

17k dps? U hacked blizz

[coral cosmos]

I think I have also had my loot spec set for Outlaw since forever, so this is my pivot point

[keen hound]

I'm down to just over 14% haste.

Was around 16 or 17 I think , but upgrades lowered it

[strange python]

I'm at 15% haste and it's still my best stat

[thorn crater]

raid starting

any last minute advice anyone?

[strange python]

don't die

you're welcome

[vocal dock]

its ez mode, we did 10/11 first night

errr

lol 7/8

[strange python]

damn you did more bosses than there's in the raid

[opaque grotto]

13% is low haste?

I got r1 with 8-9%

[vocal dock]

lol still in antorus mindstate

[zealous niche]

Anyone know of the top of their head which places drop SS

[slender peak]

17k isnt hard to pull on devourer. If you look at warcraftlogs alot of the fights are going sub 2 minutes so you still have your opening burst dps keeping your numbers high. Easy to get the kill before you sink back to sustained dps numbers

[keen hound]

SS head drops from shrine of storm

[slender peak]

Is shrine one of the easier m+’s. I saw tones of groups for it last night but I feel like there are easier ones.

Or is it just everyone has shrine keys this week

[vocal dock]

shrine is awful

bosses are all easy except last one, its the trash that is annoying

[slender peak]

The orbs and the skull orb room is awfully. They arent hard just super annoying

[vocal dock]

hard=annoying to me

[keen hound]

Shrine or temple ?

[quaint sequoia]

which bosses do u recomend CT?

[vocal dock]

maybe zul but prolly just better using PB

[opaque grotto]

PB is life

[somber egret]

Peanut butter is life

[supple compass]

is it ever ok to envenom at 3 cp to keep up ep

[somber egret]

Only if you like playing badly.

[supple compass]

well i mean that was a thing in legion

its a reasonable question

[prime stirrup]

IF you have vendetta/TB up and they are running out before you can get to 4/5 cp it MIGHT be beneficial to envenon. but I would personally just wait for the cp

[somber egret]

I don’t remember it ever being a thing. 🤷‍♂️

[supple compass]

ty shanksy

[deft locust]

it was a passing notion in legion @somber egret

stuck around for a few months even

but I doubt it works now

we're even more energy starved than before

[somber egret]

Never heard about it then.

[deft locust]

wasn't that big, never worked for me either

but I remember it being tested for a bit

[somber egret]

No VR sucks but makes pooling a more interactive play style now

[deft locust]

more like mandatory o.o

[somber egret]

Haha I failed all night with it. Either capped or starved

[deft locust]

pooling can get awk tho, so much to keep up

ye

rupture up long enough to outlast tb, but still try to have energy for tb

rupture long enough for vendetta blah blah

[fresh ginkgo]

any notable trinkets from uldir?

[deft locust]

dunno

havent looked really. i only care about that ss piece

[somber egret]

Weapons and rings only thing I look for in Raid to roll on last night.

[deft locust]

on another note, we did an m10 last night . took an hour and 3 min. but it was world 60. Not a lot of people doing high keys yet I guess

[lean hill]

Most people will have issues even getting a +10 key based on what I was seeing yesterday

[tranquil dust]

what numbers

u guys simming as sin?

im simming far lower than my outlaw and sub numbers

[fresh ginkgo]

my +10 key is waycrest manor

[deft locust]

we had AD

easiest one

lucky:o

[lean hill]

Waycrest isnt so bad

[fresh ginkgo]

maggots

[deft locust]

are so lame

[lean hill]

Git gud at stuns/interrupts

[fresh ginkgo]

hmm is Construct Overcharger worth rolling for?

or should just roll for a dagger or chest?

[deft locust]

i def will only roll for chest

weps can be obtained in m+

azerite only from caches and raid

and wb

[cerulean walrus]

tfw you roll on Doom's Howl and just get gold... 2 times

no 370s for me I guess

[keen spruce]

GUYS

GUYS

GUYS

WE DID IT

[deft locust]

woah!

nice

[keen spruce]

Finally scrapping that 310 ankleweight

papa bless

[cerulean walrus]

Gimme gimme

[keen spruce]

The other rogue in my group got one with a socket

[cerulean walrus]

wtf

I only got Sanguicells

[keen spruce]

even when I win I lose

I got a belt of the first boss too

still like 4 bosses to go

[cerulean walrus]

I'm a feckin engineer... I can't even use them

[keen spruce]

I'm an herbalist/miner

I'm swimming in expulsom and sanguicells

[cerulean walrus]

I have like 80 expulsom and no Mecha Mogul schematic

Reeeeeeee

[keen spruce]

our GM got it our first time in motherlode

[cerulean walrus]

I just wanna make gold so I'm not broke AF anymore

[keen spruce]

pick flowers

[cerulean walrus]

I want myself a Longboi

[tranquil dust]

What numbers are u guys simming

for

[keen spruce]

I'm at like 12.5kish

[cerulean walrus]

Depends on what type of fight

[keen spruce]

but i've only got like 8% haste atm

[tranquil dust]

yea im at 12.6k but outlaw at 12.9 and sub at 13.2

not sure

[cerulean walrus]

ST? MT? Patchwerk?

[keen spruce]

patchwerk

[tranquil dust]

on raidbots

wanna play sin but simming less than other specs by quite a margin kinda sucks

[cerulean walrus]

That's in a vacuum

[tranquil dust]

right

[cerulean walrus]

Sin is doing really well because they can handle mechanics without dps losses

[keen spruce]

yeah I'm pretty much out performing all other rogues in my groups

[tranquil dust]

what was ur dmg

[keen spruce]

It's also a very convenient class to play

[tranquil dust]

in uldir yday nigbt

on avg?

[cerulean walrus]

As it has allllways been

[keen spruce]

when trying to raid lead

[cerulean walrus]

Well MOTHER is skewed so I don't count it

[keen spruce]

or keep track of tanks and healers and mechanics

[tranquil dust]

thast true

[cerulean walrus]

But Taloc I was at like 12k without battleshout

[tranquil dust]

applying dots is a lot easier

[cerulean walrus]

Cause our warrior jumped ship

[tranquil dust]

than playing sub with timing windows

and gcds

[keen spruce]

so I get enough downtime to keep track of the bucket heads standing in fire

without losing all of my damage

[cerulean walrus]

Sin is comfy AF

[keen spruce]

[lone junco]

Wind on mother is a non issue. Dots tick. You just kinda run around

[keen spruce]

yeah but you lose dps on mother if you're in an early group

I mean for most of the high uptime fights I was floating between 7-11k

[cerulean walrus]

I was in the first group for MOTHER feelsbad

[keen spruce]

7 on the ones with lots of movement or adds

yeah me too

[cerulean walrus]

Still managed to land 4th on the charts though somehow

[hollow stone]

I think if youre pulling 10k avg dps right now, youre in a good spot this is a general statement

[cerulean walrus]

But rogues gotta be on -bitch- errrr mechanic duty

Riiiight

[keen spruce]

yeah I mean we were roasting normal bosses

with most people between 6-9k

[cerulean walrus]

I had people in my guild at like 5k like wtf

[keen spruce]

we had mother at 50% in the first room

[cerulean walrus]

We couldn't kill Zek'voz because the mobs were up for too long and our healers went oom

[hollow stone]

Jesus... 6k is really bad imo. My 320 mage pulls more than that :/

[cerulean walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6dEr3Gix3dD25Uxh8RQwf3

[hollow stone]

And idk how to play mage lol

[cerulean walrus]

Considering my gear is completely out of whack

I need more haste

and I only have one SS right now

[keen spruce]

yeah I had 19% haste last week

sitting at 8% now

[hollow stone]

Yea. Ss is huge when used properly

[keen spruce]

[cerulean walrus]

I'm rocking 17% right now

[hollow stone]

So is haste haha

[keen spruce]

I got some massive ilvl upgrades

but lost all the haste

[cerulean walrus]

Blizz gives me ilvl upgra-no haste, oh wonderful

[hollow stone]

Got a 390 crit heavy/mast belt from a m2. So juicy. Still 325 daggers tho...

[cerulean walrus]

I'll get a huge ass upgrade on a piece but it drops like 100 haste so I can't use it

[keen spruce]

yeah I had a 330 glove with socket and haste

[hollow stone]

Yeaaaaa. It'll come. Gear first optimize after

[keen spruce]

used it until i got a 355 drop

[hollow stone]

The agi will outweigh the haste with enough ilvl

[keen spruce]

yeah after about 15 ilvl's it's almost always an upgrade

[hollow stone]

Even if it makes your rotation slower

[cerulean walrus]

I mean I sim all the pieces that I get

[keen spruce]

unless you're going from like crit/haste +socket to like mastery/vers

[cerulean walrus]

But if its like a 15 dps difference I won't swap cause I don't want to feel that energy starve

[hollow stone]

Im sure you do. And you should 😄

[keen spruce]

I just take the hit for the technical upgrade

[hollow stone]

Yea. It slows the gameplay which kinda sucks but hey. The haste will come

[keen spruce]

makes getting haste gear later feel nice nice

[hollow stone]

Sure does shmoo

[cerulean walrus]

So apparently people got to keep their fucking AP from the mythic chest even though they didn't get to keep the gear

[strange python]

Hey guys, which first talent should I use for raid tonight ? I hesitate between the first 2

the first line i mean

[keen spruce]

Elaborate planning

[cerulean walrus]

And it was like 100k AP for some people in the chest so wtf

[keen spruce]

always EP

[strange python]

okay

tahnks

[keen spruce]

[fresh ginkgo]

100k ap

how many lvls is that

[hollow stone]

Sim it, break. Elaborate planning is the go-to unless your gear is extemely mastery heavy

[fresh ginkgo]

[cerulean walrus]

Uhhh for some people it was like 8

My HoA is only at like 18 right now

[hollow stone]

Mine just hit 20 at the end of last week and ive been spamming heroics, wqs and doing exped every week

So 8 levels is massive

[keen spruce]

exped grind

i think i'm at or just under 21

[fresh ginkgo]

hit 20 but i stop grinding cause i cbf

[keen spruce]

but 8 levels is huge because you get a shit ton of traits on uldir gear

[hollow stone]

I cant do it. At least with heroic you had a chance at wf/tf gear upgrades

[keen spruce]

right now uldir azerite drops aren't really upgrades for a lot of people because of locked traits

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah so Blizz didn't roll back AP gains from those guys

So I'm mad

[keen spruce]

I don't really care

I'm not going for world firsts

[hollow stone]

They should give us all 100k ap instead of rolling back ^_^

[cerulean walrus]

Cause my last key in Legion was like a +16 or something

[keen spruce]

yeah we were doing +15s every week until the last month

[cerulean walrus]

So I would have probably gained like 10 levels off of that boost

The keys for these dungeons are gonna suck

[hollow stone]

Only done a few so far but it looks like farming +4 or 5 is the most efficient at this time

Anyone wanna chime in on that?

[neat beacon]

+5 is Max ilvl reward for now

[stuck shuttle]

+5 is cap

[neat beacon]

+10 is for the weekly

[hollow stone]

Ahhhh okay. So we wanna do a +10 for weekly chest and then spam 5s. If possible

[stuck shuttle]

yes

[hollow stone]

Thx

[lament depot]

So just to check, if I am trying to run all poison talents, would I prioritize Mastery over Haste or is Haste still best?

[stuck shuttle]

if you run MP, you go mastery over all

[lament depot]

Ahhhh

[stuck shuttle]

master > haste > crit

[lament depot]

Tyvm, I needed to know that

[lone junco]

You can still go MP. Tb And sim stat weights.

[cerulean walrus]

inb4 is MP simming higher in any way over EP?

Like what would the mastery threshold be?

[stuck shuttle]

no I don't think so, it would have to be pretty high mastery

[lone junco]

Tbh. Subterfuge is prob too strong ever. So it will still try to force you into gates.

[stuck shuttle]

EP still wants mastery

just need enough haste/crit

[lone junco]

So you could go MP. .5shoulder. Vig. Tb. Pb.

[cerulean walrus]

So I'm assuming as the xpac goes on MP will get better

[stuck shuttle]

not necessarily

since haste scales with bleeds

and ep + subterfuge is pretty strong

[lone junco]

It really depends on things like DP dmg balances. Or future azerite balance.

Once you set talents. You can plot stat curves.

[lament depot]

I was thinking: https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/cyHz/X_K/UAb/ULz/UoZ with exceptions made to Cheat Death and Prey on the weak -- I guess with stacking Mastery

[lone junco]

Yeah. That way, simc won't try to make you get haste

Gl.

[lament depot]

Tyty

[lone junco]

Stat graphs will show you stacked mastery. Crit. Haste. Etc.

If mastery is never ever over haste, this just won't work

But graphs have 4 stats to balance. And crit will be necessary eventually.

[cerulean walrus]

Isn't it really funny how Blizz finally makes mastery increase bleed damage too, just to nuke mastery into the ground and make haste great again?

[stuck shuttle]

Sin FeelsBadMan D:

[cerulean walrus]

What percentile is that?

[stuck shuttle]

thats overall

from total logs

[cerulean walrus]

For everything?

[stuck shuttle]

yep

for all of uldir

[lament depot]

So @lone junco are you saying it may be worthwhile to go Mastery > Crit > Haste > Vers?

@stuck shuttle I am actually surprised how low Arcane Mage is

[cerulean walrus]

Uhhh its showing BM hunter as more for me

[stuck shuttle]

hmm

[keen hound]

it depends on what you put the settings as

at the top

[stuck shuttle]

i changed mine to 95th percentile

and its still the same

[cerulean walrus]

OH well who the fuck plays at 95th lmfao

Besides Memethod

[keen hound]

i has some 95+ percentiles last night in normals 😛

[cerulean walrus]

95th though?

[keen hound]

yeh

[cerulean walrus]

Sub rogue reeeee

[stuck shuttle]

I got a 90 on Fetid Heroic

for sin

[quaint sequoia]

is there a post that goes thru cloakable ablities

[stuck shuttle]

but theres not many logs for Sin

anything magical damage is cloakable @quaint sequoia

[keen hound]

i got 96% on taloc on an accidental pull where i wasn't even stealthed at the start

and 97% on vectis

rip Mother parse being in the first group thru the gate 😂

[stuck shuttle]

Mother is not a good parse fight

[cerulean walrus]

Its not even showing my parses

wtf

Warcraftlogs

[jovial kite]

@stuck shuttle thats not true

anything magical damage is cloakabl

is case sensitive

[stuck shuttle]

except for certain abilities like the Vectis debuff

of course

[cerulean walrus]

Its displaying the kill count... isn't showing a percentile number next to the kills... did I do so fucking terrible that it didn't even give me a proper parse? I didn't die lmao

I was literally top DPS in the group when fighting Taloc

[lofty linden]

!bracket

[lean hill]

@cerulean walrus it takes time to get the log up. The queue is huge due to new raid

[cerulean walrus]

Ugh, patience? In a single player Facebook game?

What is this? Vanilla?

[lone junco]

@lament depot No. I am saying that there may be a build that has mastery at the top. You can find that condition by simming. I do not think mastery will be top without a balance change

[lean hill]

I'm sure you could pay money and skip queues

Like most things

[lone junco]

Sneks

[lean hill]

I killed stuff late last night that wasn't up until the morning

Sneks bad

[cerulean walrus]

🐍 👀

[opaque grotto]

FUCK

Someone beat my r1 on taloc

[cerulean walrus]

rekt

[tranquil dust]

can u only

[opaque grotto]

I had it all day today and yesterday 😦

[tranquil dust]

have 1 poison equipped

im use to old wow

LOl

[cerulean walrus]

One deadly

One nondeadly

[opaque grotto]

Bro how about you try to put both on and see what happens

????

[tranquil dust]

i tried

[cerulean walrus]

So use Deadly poison and Wound Poison

[tranquil dust]

deadly and the other one

i didnt try

crippling

feels bad man

[cerulean walrus]

Or not wound

[tranquil dust]

LOL

[cerulean walrus]

Crip

Jesus

[tranquil dust]

yea i tried to put wound and deadly

durr

[cerulean walrus]

YEah they replace because they're both lethal poisons

[main blaze]

You have to put wound poison on first then deadly to do max damage

[cerulean walrus]

Crip and Deadly

SkipperinoCriperino

[tranquil dust]

which talent do u guys run the 3rd row for mythic +

in the*

[steep citrus]

are you guys playing bloods or crips?

[lament depot]

I would think Vigor unless there is a boss fight with a lot of adds...? Then Maybe MfD?

[quaint sequoia]

CT on zul?

[compact socket]

How is Assassination doing compared to the other two specs in M+?

[nimble gulch]

pretty good

[ebon bramble]

really good

[vapid moth]

I pull top dps as long as I'm not in a Dh or mage group

Or god forbid both at once

[ebon bramble]

all rogue specs are amazing for m+ and raids so far

i expect a blanket rogue nerf

im afraid

[vapid moth]

Why?

[ebon bramble]

its blizzard lol

you dnt ask why

they just do

[vapid moth]

Oh ya

[ebon bramble]

remember outlaw in legion?

[cerulean walrus]

Who could forget?

[ebon bramble]

im sure blizzard wants affliction to be king again anyways

[shy mica]

whos playing exsang

burst is big pog

[cerulean walrus]

I don't have the haste to make it good enough

also I refresh my bleeds out of habit

[shy mica]

How much u do need?

[cerulean walrus]

More than I have currently according to sims lmao

Granted CT Exsang might be beneficial on Zek'voz

[lone junco]

Poison weaving.

[autumn bloom]

exsang is simming

1%ish lower for me

so im gonna hold off

it probably is just a haste thing

[keen hound]

same 1% lower for me

is that what we are looking towards though? enough haste pushes exang ahead?

[deft locust]

@vapid moth do you have triple SS?

[unreal bear]

wait you can stack SS?

LOL

[nimble gulch]

fuck yeah

give more dmg for garotte

[unreal bear]

i didn't know. shieeeet.

[nimble gulch]

2x ss is pretty good but 3x ss is like god lvl of dot dmg

[deft locust]

yep

[strange python]

Is it better to take higher ilvl over traits atm? I am currently sitting at 300 with 2 SS and I keep getting 310 pieces of gear with shitty traits....so of course the SS sims higher than that 310 piece of gear

[lament depot]

I think they said, earlier, that 15 Ilvls is almost guaranteed to be better.

[lone junco]

I use a 300 or 325 ilvl SS hat. It is close to a 340 non SS.

[lament depot]

Yikes, dem traits, I guess

[lone junco]

Use top gear to select your traits. No guessing.

Smart sim will compare almost all reasonable azerite traits you have. At the same time.

Remember to only select one trait per slot. Aka. 1ss hat. 1ss chest. 2 shoulder. With the other highest dps ones you have.

[calm barn]

fucking hell, got 3 pieces from normal uldir, none of them have haste smh

[lone junco]

I did fairly well on mother p3.

I did this.

WHAT THE FUCK

next time tho

[somber egret]

Haha I’ve done that noobe

[lone junco]

I probably mashed the vanish right where that first garrote is, but the mut gcd fucked me

I remember looking up and vanish was still ready like . come the fuck on.

[somber egret]

Gcd still fucks my legion fingers sometimes where I think I hit vendetta

[vapid moth]

@deft locust nope.

[keen spruce]

you guys ever find yourselves pooling for like 5-6 seconds right before you first vanish/garrote rotation & rupture refresh?

It feels like I completely check out for while waiting for enough energy for that second round

[steep citrus]

I like to catch up on my netflix queues while playing sin

[somber egret]

Only thing I pooled for was TB really otherwise I was refreshing dots pretty on point.

[lone junco]

@solid nova i finally have content to mark up.

too bad it is my own shitty play

[spice surge]

🤔 Apparently i only sim like 0.5% less with tomb 4set 😄

60% garrote damage pretty stronk

[thorn crater]

boyz just got the path of titans shoulders, do i need to use reoriginator array as it says for any boss?

[tranquil dust]

what sohuld by rotation be

on like a pack of mobs

?

do i just dot everything with rupture then try to get an ven/tb into an evenoom?

[tidal sedge]

garrote 4 targets and then start rupture and FoK

[tranquil dust]

multiple ruptures?

[keen spruce]

TB if you want, I wouldn't worry about vendetta

yeah just fan, rupture, fan ruptrure, fan rupture

[tidal sedge]

once you have rupture up on everyone tb and envenom main target

[tranquil dust]

how do you garrote multiple things

its a 6 sec d

no?

[tidal sedge]

work in a kidney shot on main target for increased dmg

take subterfuge and vigor

[tranquil dust]

ah

okay that makes sense

thanks!

[tidal sedge]

so you can get 3 empowered garrotes and 1 normal

[tranquil dust]

roger

what about

CT

?

or do u just spec poison bomb

[keen spruce]

I've had poison bomb specc'd the whole xpac

[stuck shuttle]

CT is good for 4+ in dungeons

[tidal sedge]

same

[tranquil dust]

hrm okay

[stuck shuttle]

but Im too lazy to switch

and just run PB on everything

and still pull insane damage

[keen spruce]

CT could be good on like... zul?

[stuck shuttle]

maybe on Zul

[keen spruce]

maybe some MDI pulls on mythic +

99% of the time PB is gonna out perform

[tranquil dust]

ah icic

[candid phoenix]

so the raid azerite armors sim lower than our 340 SS armors

fascinating :/

[keen hound]

@spice surge I checked that earlier. I sim like 2% less w/ tomb 4 set.

It is interesting how close it gets though lol

[tranquil dust]

4-5 point ruptures all around?

[spice surge]

If 4p was 2p it would be 👌

[keen hound]

yep

But have to lose that one piece of azerite gear for the 4pc

[stuck shuttle]

guess we have to farm M+ for high level SS traits

[keen hound]

yep

which... when you think about it, is worse than leggos

[candid phoenix]

azerite doesnt drop in M+

only weekly chest

[prisma pond]

Assuming SS survives the first balance pass

[keen hound]

b/c you don't get it from M+ dung, only the weekly chest

[stuck shuttle]

thats what I meant

sorry

[candid phoenix]

ye its annoying

[stuck shuttle]

The Uldir trinkets are absolute dog shit too

which is annoying

[candid phoenix]

the 3 355 az.armors sim 200 dps lower than my 3xSS

its pathetic

[stuck shuttle]

I got the trink off Taloc in Heroic

and it sims less than a 340 Galecallers

[candid phoenix]

that trinket seems junk

[keen spruce]

@tranquil dust start with just getting all targets ruptured

whether it's a 1 or a 5 point

[keen hound]

all of the trinkets are pretty subpar from the raid

[candid phoenix]

sims are wierd with galecallers tho

[keen spruce]

then refresh them all as needed

[stuck shuttle]

yeah the raid trinkets are meh

[keen spruce]

once you have like 5 targets ruptured you'll be swimming in energy

[candid phoenix]

i m disappointed with the raid gear

maybe becasue blizzard overtuned SS

[prisma pond]

Almost everything out of the raid is shit, but I mean at least it looks co....oh wait

[stuck shuttle]

i think theyre trying to encourage people to do more M+

[candid phoenix]

SS will get rekt on the balance changes

[stuck shuttle]

leave Sin alone 😢

[keen hound]

I feel like they need to lower the required levels for the traits on azerite gear... like... Oh here have a new 355 piece.. but you can't use any traits. So it isn't even worth it

[prisma pond]

That's my fear, while it isnt making us scary in raids SS is bonkers in M+

[keen hound]

by the time we get all the traits in 355 it will be "oh here is a higher lv piece... but you can't use all the traits"

[stuck shuttle]

I found that annoying too Ady

I'd get an upgrade but can't even use it

[keen hound]

if nothing changes, that is how it will always be moving up to higher level gear

[stuck shuttle]

its basically an AP wall on gear

which is what I thought they wanted to move away from

guess not

[keen hound]

Oh here have some fun azerite traits! That you can't use! 😂 gg blizz. gg

[stuck shuttle]

ill forigve them

as long as they don't touch SS

Kapp

[keen hound]

I have a feeling it will definitely get touched

I wouldn't mind if they nerfed the damage some.... and made it work on all garrotes, not just from stealth

[candid phoenix]

well i wont trust sims that much. PW 5 min fight doesnt represent uldir fights

SS is ahead only when u can stay on the boss all the way

[keen hound]

That's why you can change the parameters of the sim to test different situations

[stuck shuttle]

SS worked amazing for me on Zek Voz Heroic

[keen hound]

and actually, i would htink SS pulls farther ahead when you CAN'T stay on the boss the whole time

b/c you get that empowered dmg even when pulled off target

[candid phoenix]

provided Vanish is ready when u get pulled away xD

[keen hound]

then plan for it to be

[stuck shuttle]

Vanish lined up for me pretty nicely on ZekVoz

[sturdy egret]

farming that conquest for the weapon at 10 conquest per arena win is gonna take forever haha

[keen hound]

mine were great on Vectis

[stuck shuttle]

yeah Vectis too

Vanish would come up as add spawned

easy damage

[keen hound]

yup

2x garrote on boss, 1x on add

was perfect

[tender walrus]

Which boss are u guys rerolling?

[elder cypress]

2 and 5

[tender walrus]

Why 5?

[primal violet]

weapons

[tender walrus]

5 is vectis no?

[elder cypress]

zul

[primal violet]

yah i thought zul

depends on order ur guild does i guess

[tender walrus]

6 then

[elder cypress]

oh

[primal violet]

i just want daggers

[elder cypress]

there are 8 bosses 😄

[tender walrus]

Oh i m just seeinf list :p

[primal violet]

i got so lucky that i got a heroic trinket off taloc on first night 😄

[tender walrus]

Yea gotcha

[primal violet]

so i get to use all my rolls for weaps

[tender walrus]

U want them cos daggers are cool or cos they re thing to go for?

[stuck shuttle]

that trinket is ass though

i know because i have it D:

[primal violet]

well tehy are really good daggers

[elder cypress]

is this frenetic corpuscle a good trinket?

[primal violet]

higher item level than my 340s from mythic 0

[stuck shuttle]

None of the uldir trinkets are very good tbh

[young narwhal]

what build would u go for m+?

[primal violet]

construct overcharger is bad?

[stuck shuttle]

my 370 of Taloc almost sims as low as a 340 Galecaller's

[primal violet]

i got a 375 w/ leech https://www.wowhead.com/item=160652/construct-overcharger&bonus=4798:1477

[stuck shuttle]

Construct is probably the best trinekt out of the 3 we can get

[primal violet]

so it was an upgrade over my 340 dead eye spyglass

[stuck shuttle]

look on Hero Damage

375 Overcharger is almost equal to 340 spyglass

[primal violet]

wow

fuck man

i thought i got so lucky

reeeeee

[stuck shuttle]

not trying to rain on your parade lol

I felt the same when i got it last night

but then i saw how it simmed and its just okay

[primal violet]

i am using darkmoon fathoms as my other

yah i was wondering why my sim didnt really improve

[stuck shuttle]

yeah fathoms is gonna be good up until mythic uldir

or you get a +10 tirnket from cache

[primal violet]

i really want a nice loaded nice, but im sure we all do

[indigo cradle]

So CT is performing better than PB on m+?

[elder cypress]

galecaller 400 tf proc 😄

[stuck shuttle]

right lol i wish

[elder cypress]

fingers crossed

[stuck shuttle]

CT is supposed to be better for 4+ targets

but I just run PB anyway cause I'm lazy to switch

[indigo cradle]

I mean in overall

[stuck shuttle]

not overall

PB is better for ST for sure

[strange python]

I've tested a lot with both and I've found unless there are really a whole lot of mobs in range PB is better

[stuck shuttle]

CT is a waste of CP for single target

PB is basically a free aoe bomb for no CP spent on it

[indigo cradle]

Man for ST its clear that PB is the choicr

[steep citrus]

hero damage has a dungeon profile now. they sim pretty much the same. ct is a lot more work and you gotta think about it. so unless you're pulling really big the whole dungeon...

[runic pilot]

do i spam CT or just to refresh the bleed?

[steep citrus]

pb was working better for me. anecdotally

[stuck shuttle]

you just refresh

then spam FoK

[indigo cradle]

Im asking about overall damage on m+ runs

[stuck shuttle]

and Envenom

CT might be better on higher lvl keys

where PB damage can fall off

but PB has a higher variance with good procs

you turn into a god

[steep citrus]

yeah, my overall damage was pretty much the same between the two. but it wasn't the exact same dungeon etc. highest i've done is a 6 though

[tender walrus]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[tender walrus]

Is one of these reccomended over the others or?

[stuck shuttle]

no its just preference

they all pretty much do the same thing

[tender walrus]

Kk thx

!elvui

[lofty juniper]

When 370 with no ss sims 200dps lower than your 340 ss lol

[steep citrus]

don't stress. ss nerf coming

[keen hound]

Definitely hold on to all azerite pieces just in case

[fervent beacon]

Guis, get ready to farm T20

[keen hound]

Guessing you saw that post regarding demo locks? lul

[fervent beacon]

Sin rogue as well

[spice surge]

Its not very good for sin though. 2ps

[keen hound]

i simmed it and it came out behind

2pc and 4pc both came out behind

[spice surge]

and having 4p means you lose out on third SS

[keen hound]

(though not by much)

2pc was I think... about a 2% loss

https://puu.sh/Bqcpw/c2f4431d74.png

[deft locust]

wait

[keen hound]

i set it at baseline 210 ilv

[deft locust]

what's with the low tier sets?

is something happening

😮

[keen hound]

no

[civic palm]

Yeah Blizzard is turning them off, the dorks.

[autumn bloom]

running pb in m+ lol

[marble hemlock]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a5qVVcHwMhiBeX8uQSuewT

tfw when you sim almost 12k with 4pc t20

[autumn bloom]

wow

[keen hound]

Yep. I sim 12.3k w/ 4pc t20. 3.3% loss

and it will get removed so no point in trying to make it work

they will just disable the sets

though.... if you walk into the raid at ilv 314, your parses for your item level will probably be 100% 😂

[marble hemlock]

😃

well, you drop like 30k hp

which is pretty big

ill try this out in a few m+ now though

[keen hound]

Ohhhh yeah the stam dif will be huge 😂

30k hp is a lot b/c there is a lot of raid wide dmg in a few of the fights lol

[marble hemlock]

10k crit garrote ticks

:>

[keen hound]

what do you normally get?'

[marble hemlock]

well, the 10k is with 1ss and 4pc, since i dont have the gear for 2ss+4pc

hard to say with the garrote bug messing things up all the time

[tranquil dust]

is internal bleeding btter

than prey the week?

and when should i mix in a kidney during my st rotation

[keen hound]

You never throw a KS in st rotation

[marble hemlock]

getting the same garrote ticks with 2ss and ilvl ~340 gear

[keen hound]

I just have internal bleeding for wpvp

[marble hemlock]

so might be worth if you actually have 2ss+4pc for trashdps 😃

[stuck shuttle]

is WCL down for you guys?

[keen hound]

yeg

yeh&

rip typing.... yes

[versed finch]

Anyone who uses exsang and ct in mythic +, do u ct the boss as well for a vendetta exsang?

Like st

[civic palm]

no CT on ST IIRC

[steep citrus]

don't ct on st

[versed finch]

Even with exsang not worth it? Better off envenoming?

[steep citrus]

envenom hits for more on single target

[versed finch]

Ok good deal

[steep citrus]

exsang just makes it do less damage faster

[versed finch]

So don't run exsang with ct?

[steep citrus]

you can, just don't ct if you only have 1 target

[versed finch]

TB and CT better for mythic +

?

[ebon bramble]

yes terrorblade is great for M+

[versed finch]

I just always run tb and pb

[civic palm]

You're gonna need like a Maelstrom or something though.

[ebon bramble]

i suggest getting manta

[versed finch]

I just see people get hell about running PB in mythic +

So didn't know if I should swap for exsang and ct or tb and ct

[steep citrus]

sims have them pretty mech equal, ct and pb in the "dungeon" profile. it really depends on the dungeon how much you pull, how much aoe you have in the group

[civic palm]

I mean if the M+ has an Orchid or something sure.

[versed finch]

I'd rather run pb then

I top charts with garrote and rupturing shit then fok envenom til they die or need another rupture

[steep citrus]

i've tried both, my overall damage for the dungeon was about the same, but ct is more work

but that's not really science

[versed finch]

Alright thanks phup

[steep citrus]

you'll just have to get a feel for what works best in your group

[keen hound]

I'm tempted to try exang build for m+

low m+

if the bosses die fast enough, i think the exang could pull ahead by still carrying over the burst for the overall fight

[tranquil dust]

If i have a one use crit strike trink

Should i use at beginning of fight before dots go out

Or can i use it with like vendetta

After

[keen hound]

i would use it w/ vendetta right at the start that way it is up when you vanish for your second round of dots

That's when I use my haste trink.

[tranquil dust]

Yea i tend to use it with ven right before

Tb comes out

But not sure if that was okay

[keen hound]

mhmm

seems right to me and it's what I do ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tranquil dust]

Cant sim close to my simmed dps though

Feel loke im doing something wrong

[versed finch]

You're not a robot fighting a stationary boss

I'm not expert but it sims on patchwerk

Which is just a stand still and do crisp rotation type fight

[hollow stone]

🤖🗡

[autumn bloom]

if you're not getting close to your sims as assa it's either dot uptime

or you're not making the most of your exsang/tb window

[dense yarrow]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[dense yarrow]

why do i sim lower everytime i sim in top gear but then higher in quick sim?

[safe matrix]

Are you overwriting enchants/gems?

[dense yarrow]

ah you are my saviour, kiss

[tranquil dust]

Can azerite pieces drop in mythic +

[civic palm]

Nope.

[versed mica]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[versed mica]

Will it ever be fixed

[cerulean walrus]

Maybe next patch

[stuck shuttle]

then they'll nerf it

"Fixed"

Kappa

[subtle lodge]

Whats everyones stats at

just want to compare

[stuck shuttle]

just armory some names off WCL

[urban storm]

340 equipped - 20 crit 15 haste 32 mastery 2 vers

shitty weaps tho 320/310

[onyx falcon]

Supposedly they said they were doing class tunings the week Mythic raids are dropping, so I wouldn't be surprised if they fix it this Tuesday

[deft sparrow]

Where the hell do you guys find daggers?

[civic palm]

In the raid.

[deft sparrow]

have to look the boss charts then.. there hasnt dropped a single dagger for me . not in dungeon, not in raid

[quartz ginkgo]

Mother drops a dagger I think

[umbral crescent]

she does - I got it on a bonus roll last night

it looks pretty good. Has a neat idle animation

[quartz ginkgo]

Last boss of Atal as well iirc so you could spam that

I forgot to roll it on heroic 😦

[deft sparrow]

yeah Mother does apparently

[civic palm]

There are a lot of daggers.

[fierce turtle]

I had shit daggers untill yesterday, got two M daggers, then today a heroic dagger, and a M+ dagger after raid. Expensive in enchants

[placid dawn]

guys, should i try to pool energy to clip EP?

[civic palm]

and then what happens when you're not generating the CP to clip?

[placid dawn]

thats why i said pool, so i can spam mut and clip some EPs

[deft sparrow]

yeah EP feels so clunky, yet it sims higher

[placid dawn]

then when i cant anymore pool again and clip again

but sim says that it doesnt pool at all

[civic palm]

Correct.

[deft sparrow]

you always envenom 4+ cp with EP?

[dense yarrow]

is mastery > haste if u got MP ?

[deft sparrow]

i mean what's preferred... envenom 4+ cp without clipping EP

or clipping EP with 3+ cp

[placid dawn]

gotta sim the stat weights with your talents

i think always 4+

[deft sparrow]

early in Legion we used to use 3+ cp, if that made you clip EP

it's hard to sim though

[placid dawn]

that was maybe cause of the other poison, not sure

[deft sparrow]

possibly

u think sin feels clunky?

it feels so "slow" without the Kingsbane and the Vendetta reduction

[placid dawn]

it does if you want to clip

[civic palm]

Nope.

Feels fine.

[placid dawn]

no clipping it feels pretty decent

[civic palm]

and KB wouldn't make it any faster as you would be clipping ENV anyway.

[deft sparrow]

true..but KB made it a liiittle bit more complex

maybe i'm focussing to hard on the clips... will try not to tomorrow

[lofty sand]

Was sin ever a fast spec before Antorus? I always thought of it as a slow spec

[rain breach]

someone was raiding with assa today?

[marble hemlock]

played assa on zekvoz, zul and mythrax

we were lacking cleave-dps so assa was pretty good

[rain breach]

how was it dps wise>?

k

[rough wedge]

assasination feels bad right now, am I right?

[civic palm]

No.

[marble hemlock]

gameplay feels bad

[vestal wren]

its slow but strong

[marble hemlock]

stop lying mize

but the dmg is good

[vestal wren]

there is no big downgrade gameplay wise from legion

[rough wedge]

I keep all the dots up and get liek 4-5k at ilvl 332

[vestal wren]

but the spec is quite slow, so it might be not everyones favorite

[rough wedge]

I dotn care about slow I don't wanna do bad DPS and get kicked form mythics.

[vestal wren]

you should be fine with either spec if you dont fail a lot

sin might be most forgiving from them, so its a very save pick

[rain breach]

sin is more straight than the others

[civic palm]

Just a few more edits and you will get it.

[rain breach]

is late

[civic palm]

People got the point.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dire spoke]

lmfao

[spiral furnace]

Sin Rogue PvP Talents?

[candid phoenix]

i raided as sin today and i gotta say it was ok

running with 3x SS

but it was just normal

[dire spoke]

@spiral furnace #pvp

[barren spindle]

@rough wedge its gotta be your rotation I'll is decent for least 8k

Ilvl*

[civic palm]

<@&224906552333697025> >_> AD

[barren forge]

@dire spoke so toxic today 😛

[dire spoke]

what?

[safe matrix]

!warn @weary charm self advertisement isn't allowed

[supple hearth]

Tsk tsk not reading rules

[rain breach]

@candid phoenix how was your dps compared to the other rogues overall

[dire spoke]

most normal bosses are like patchwerk °-°

and sin can't beat sub's ST cleave shuriken combo, so there's that

[safe matrix]

Eh

Mother isn't patchwerk if you go early

Taloc/fetid are kinda

[dire spoke]

most

[safe matrix]

Vectis has the pool phase

Zul has a buttload of adds

Same with g'huun

That's 50% already

[dire spoke]

nice nutpicking, what if I rephrase to patchwerk-ish in terms of movement because you hardly need to move away from anything

[safe matrix]

Fair enough

I concede

[dire spoke]

I mean we're both right, but I'm still righterer

[safe matrix]

To be fair

Mother can be true patchwerk if you're the last person to go through

[dire spoke]

can you still hit her through the energy field?

didn't test

[safe matrix]

LoS

Iirc

From the barrier

Preapplied Dots still are effective

[dire spoke]

I tried going through with CoS up, add spawned

[safe matrix]

CoS feels like it doesnt cheese a whole lot this tier

[dire spoke]

yeah

not even fetid plague

[coral cosmos]

Double Quick Navigation a bad idea?

Sitting on 15% haste at the moment - just swapped out a +40 agi gem for haste

[hybrid hound]

why wouldnt mastery be my main stat? wouldnt i want more dmg on bleeds and poisons?

[hollow stone]

Yea. Icd on the same weap enchant

Haste gives more dmg on bleeds

[hybrid hound]

i thought it did energy regen

[coral cosmos]

It does that too

Or at least that, from what I know of

[spice surge]

Having two of the same enchants on your weapons is a no-go

They diminish, better get two different ones

[ocean nebula]

im at 17% haste now and only 17% crit, now crit and even mastery sims higher for me then haste

[undone lodge]

heya 😃

[amber quail]

22-17-23 and sims want: MH-AGI-CRIT-HASTE
Raid normal switching between Sin/Outlaw

Outlaw perform better st, about 1-1,5 more

But i feel that sin scale good