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#assassination
keen spruce
I've been running it
it's cheap enough that I think it's worth
if you're starved for gear
dense cedar
I still have a 315 waist 😒
grim mason
banning you, you can only use that bag in zones you can fly in
so you can't use it in BFA
tidal sedge
I do 12k sustain so I would say fine 😃
sweet needle
Sin is getting underrated by everyone else I come across. I'm regularly topping dps in cleave and ST.
tidal sedge
garrote 4 targets and then rupture FoK until your dots are up on everything
coral meteor
THEN BATHE IN THEIR BLOOD..
tidal sedge
usually start with primary target, you can also stun for the extra dmg to them
abstract crescent
Didnt our azurite traits get nerfed
coral meteor
On what basis is that question @fresh bough ?
dense cedar
34.6% of damage Garrote 
abstract crescent
So is it still worth running on all 3 piecez
abstract crescent
It got nerfed by 35%?
How much damage does it do now where can i read up om these nerfs
coral meteor
Previous hotfix notes
junior crest
if sub is ST and outlaw is AoE, what is sin's niche at the moment?
coral meteor
Being neither.
(Being reliable and with very little to actually fuck up your damage, and the most "mobile" damage)
slender peak
@tidal sedge dont garrote 4 targets SS is currently bugged and the 4th garrote will remove your SS buff on your subterfuge garrotes. Until fixed the opener in dungeons is 3x garrote, rupture, fok
sin is sustained AoE and ST
😉
slender peak
lemme guess you dont have 340 daggers yet 
slender peak
yea but offhand doesnt matter nearly as much as mainhand
dense cedar
im still losing out of a fuckton of agi
slender peak
^true
lofty juniper
Have a questions about the usage of toxic blade. How much energy should I pool before using TB. I heard TB is used on cooldown, should one be using TB when one has to refresh rupture/garrote during the toxic window debuff or is it better to use toxic blade when rupture/garrote doesn’t have to be refreshed for the 10s window. Lastly for the opener on ST, suppose you get unlucky with crits, mut + TB = 3cp, would you mut for 5 or finish at 3 and continue with rotation. Sorry for tldr using my phone
lone junco
Aim for 2 env.
nocturne gate
is there any offical information for the SS nerf ? cant rly find that
civic palm
Huh?
nocturne gate
?
CutWafflesheute um 05:58 Uhr
It got nerfed by 35%?
How much damage does it do now where can i read up om these nerfs
Lottie | Conditions21heute um 06:02 Uhr
Previous hotfix notes
Connorheute um 06:03 Uhr
SS was nerfed by 11%
that's it
barren spindle
11% still pretty big
nocturne gate
i mean where is that approved cant find anything in forum or newspages ^^
velvet magnet
And its offical! 0 for 18 on dagger bosses since launch
nocturne gate
the nerf i read here in discord but cant find offical information about it
dense cedar
civic palm
lofty juniper
Happened in the 24th
nocturne gate
oh there ^^
hardy bluff
best use of this in aoe would be after garrote/rupturing yeah?
dense cedar
ah, the hell trinket
coral meteor
Based on the fact the trinket relies on you never leaving the rune I imagine @dense cedar ?
velvet magnet
@civic palm 18 is every boss on mythic that drops a dagger since launch weeek, so it can't be any higher than that.
dense cedar
I have 1
hardy bluff
plenty of room to rock back and forth on the edge of every mechanic
hardy bluff
such passion
😭
For real though, after garrote/rupturing cause snapshotting isn't a thing?
abstract crescent
Oh so we only lost 11% damagw lol
fleet whale
Sharpened blades new meta?
slender peak
We didnt lose 11% damage. They fixed the SS trait stacking then lowered the stacking buff by 11% prolly cause the bug fixed stacking was too OP
@fleet whale no SS still king
fleet whale
probably in practice, but bloodmallet does have it higher than ss if stacked three times lol
slender peak
hero damage still has it on top. And I have no interest in adding a throwing dagger into my rotation for a melee dps class
fleet whale
but ss is probably still gonna be better most of the time im just sick of blizz trying to make garrote a huge part of damage
abstract crescent
Ss is still good?
fleet whale
yes
slender peak
not sure how they do their sims cause they have thunderous blast almost equal to SS and hero damage has SS miles ahead
abstract crescent
What would be opener for sin rogue for pvp and pve?
slender peak
!guide
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Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
slender peak
depends on ST or multi target
abstract crescent
St pvp
slender peak
you probably want to check in the pvp channel
abstract crescent
Watabout pve
slender peak
Garrote garrate rupture vendetta mute tb envonome
assuming you are using subterfuge
abstract crescent
Wait garotte twice in pve?
Also that guide talks about azerite talents my gear does not have... only has ss as first talent
slender peak
yes its gets you 5 CP and is less energy than mut
other traits are secondary traits that you unlock with higher neck levels
abstract crescent
My middle rings give a shield and 3rd increazes item levels by 5
So they change with my neck level? Can i rechose my traits or its permanent?
slender peak
are they 325 ilvl?
jagged cape
Anyone have sims per race by chance? Trying to see if Troll is still top.
sacred seal
where I can find which trinket I should use?
slender peak
trail otter
^
slender peak
that works for both your questions lol
jagged cape
Fair enough, I forgot Bloodmallet had Race as well.
slender peak
but in reality race doesnt matter its like all within margin of error on dps
jagged cape
I'm sad that its such a small margin.
trail otter
true but i think dark iron is kinda abusable
there's gonna be a fight prolly with like
6+ dots you can just run over
and pop racial
jagged cape
I'm hoping ZTrolls give something nice.
slender peak
yea but racials will never be strong they dont want to pigeon whole people into specific races
trail otter
yeah im waiting to race change to see if Ztroll will be better
for pvp racials are huge
gonna be orc if ztroll isnt better
abstract crescent
I heard you can throwdaggers now as a passive?
sacred seal
guys, do you think that 325 item with SS is better than 340 without? pawn says 15% increase, but I don´t feel it same
supple hearth
Sim >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pawn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how it feels
coral meteor
Pawn tracks stat increases, I don't think it takes traits, gem slots and enchants into account
civic palm
Takes Gems into account.
coral meteor
Actually stat increases was a fucking horrible phrase to you, it weighs base stats on the item only against stats of another./
civic palm
Settings for it.
civic palm
Though I think they might value the socket incorrectly.
coral meteor
Has to
coral meteor
Yeah
trail otter
aint hard :S
coral meteor
Chances are if I have a haste crit ring
and a haste vers ring with a socket
there is a good chance the haste vers socket will beat it
But pawn will tell me otherwise
civic palm
Mmmmight not, I use the normalized numbers and not the verbose numbers, so the translation doesn't work like it would if you were just taking 40crit x your weight.
I do think that they mix up what the BASE value is and what the GEMMED value is.
coral meteor
this setting btw?
Yeah I always use raidbots top gear to deal with socketed item comparisons
low quail
wwhat should my rotation be for single target and multi target
civic palm
SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE
That looks right Lottie.
coral meteor
Like for example 340 gloves sims higher, Pawn disagrees
But it's literally like a 2% difference so I cba
stark garnet
holy shit Sharpened Blades is BROKEN lol
coral meteor
rather just take the stam and throw caution to the feelycraft wind
civic palm
I don't see the PAWN comparisons on the tooltips at all > _>
coral meteor
I have only show upgrades on
civic palm
mmm
lament dove
you know you can set the weights in pawn, right...?
it has some defaults which are probably off, so you should input the weights you simmed
normal forge
Any horde racials that are significant for dps?
civic palm
👏
scenic ermine
how much better is haste vs crit?
civic palm
Depends on the rest of your stats.
odd tundra
i'm gonna say its about 1.6 better
civic palm
If anything Crit and Haste are going to be near each other.
civic palm
scenic ermine
yeah i checked the pins
but saying i going 2x same enchant if that stat its so much better
civic palm
That's not what the pins say.
They even state why you should not go the same weapon enchant.
scenic ermine
"". You have diminished returns if you double up on one, so only do this if that one stat is much better than the rest."" i read it like if haste was the best, i should enchant 2x haste
Sorry, just rerolled to play rogue for my guild
civic palm
There's no chance that one stat is that much better that you should double up.
scenic ermine
Okay
civic palm
Unless you have some extreme stat focus.
Especially this early in the expansion where the differences between your top three stats is rather small.
main blaze
Help guys I cant decide which stat is better!?!?!? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hX3SdSk3pkGzhKkuVFS1rV
main blaze
Trick question its agility
civic palm
S H I T
dense jetty
How many shrouded suffocation traits do you want? Surely more than one isn't really necessary?
dense jetty
feels weird that our two top tier traits are both kinda big cooldowns in the rotation
that needing vanish and sharpened blades needing to stack to 30
slender peak
for ST maybe but you still get the fat SS garrotes x3 on trash or multi target
but what do you want from a azurite trait? wouldnt you want a buff on your top damage ability vs some ability that you never use?
frank shard
19% haste rn feelsgoodman
maiden garnet
Isn’t that over 1500 haste?
sick cradle
How does sin fare against the other specs?
dense jetty
Single target it seems top tier, havn't touched it in dungeons though
sick cradle
because my guildies call it trash compared to the other ones and that ther'es no place for it since sub is better ST and outlaw better for AoE
edgy wharf
well. I hear the same that sin is weak af. But ppl here allways say "play what u want" or "every spec is equal right now"
and the "equality" looks like most of rogues play in sub
mortal finch
Sin is weak at the moment.
However, I still believe it's the better spec.
mortal finch
Personal opinion mostly.
Unfortunately, being realistic Sub/Outlaw is better than us due to their kit. Outlaw with Turn The Tables is a horrible counter against us, at least in PvP situations. Ontop of that Sin just took a MASSIVE hit by the nerf bat.
However. Bleed/PoisonScaling? Is going to be VERY strong later on. Once good gear starts dropping? I'm sure Sin will begin making a turn around.
On a personal point? I'm sadistic and like watching bleeds kill something as they run away. >_>
I've been doing mythics as sin and have been neck and neck with our sub who outgears me by 15 ilvls
dense jetty
If i sim myself single target Sin is top every time
its gonan be my raid spec with sub/outlaw for m+
mortal finch
I've always said this. A good sin, will out do other specs.
(Aside from Outlaw atm, Outlaw needs nerf)
dense jetty
shhhh, outlaw has only just become not awful to play, dont tell anyone its good ffs
dense jetty
nobody needs to know about blade flurry its fine
mortal finch
<_< I can't go in against outlaw, they counter me SO hard
strange python
All roguey rogue spec are good rn in their own way
dense jetty
their burst is high but they have no bleeds so you can restealth and take your time
mortal finch
Like I'm normally 2k bracket and in PvP, someone who has NO rating is kicking my ass on outlaw. Turn The Tables RUINS my stun lock 😦
dense jetty
turn the tables is 15% its not groundbreaking
mortal finch
When they mix it with burst, it hurts BAD.
dense jetty
oh sure but like i say, they have burst but i dont struggle with them myself
mortal finch
Granted. They were WAY more geared than me.
strange python
Gotta use it to your own advantage go on then so they have to go defensively
mortal finch
But still
jovial kite
sin is weak?
dense jetty
i fight them like i'm playing a feral druid, just bleed and runnnnnnnnn
jovial kite
ok 
strange python
All roguer specs are busted tho xd
mortal finch
Rogue against most things, rogue will win no matter the spec, yee
I mean
if they're decent
Ive only been struggling against outlaw rogues in wpvp
strange python
What about rogue against rogue?
strange python
Lol
mortal finch
I wont go near those shits
strange python
Disc priest
mortal finch
My 2s partner whose a disc, our duels will last like 30mins
strange python
The reason my outlaw is good is because I crit a pistol shot for 40k
dense jetty
oh disc can just bugger off, they should be banned from world pvp
mortal finch
Man. I wish I was having your luck. I legit can't tell if outlaw is busted, or if I need to gear. 3:< Or Both. Or I might be bad at countering
Yeeeeah
If ANYTHING needs nerf
Its Disc
dense jetty
the thing is, sin has crazy opening burst and reasnable dots after, and outlaw has no dots to stop you restealthing
mortal finch
You see. That's my issue, I'm so used to Legion, which is burst, dot, and dead
But NoooOOooo now I cant press 4 buttons
lmao
strange python
IDK if it's a bug or not though because it hits hard as fuck
mortal finch
Ew. Nah. I just need to start using my arena build in WPvP tbh
WPvP is set up w/ my old 1-2shot build
strange python
Do what I do
mortal finch
Which still works on wairriors
dense jetty
wel as sin the only difference between raid spec and pvp spec is taking master poisoner instead of elaborate planning
strange python
She plays outlaw
mortal finch
I use MP most times.
I tried running blood build, which worked better on my priest actually, but its just so fucking clunky
dense jetty
i love the secondary effect of master poisoner too much
strange python
My issue with assassination right now is It feels waybslower to legion and I feel more energy starved than before
dense jetty
oh btw, if you're really struggling with outlaw rogues, take neurotoxin instead
mortal finch
It is
dense jetty
and watch them rage at not being able to use sinister strike
strange python
So I had issues transitioning into assn
mortal finch
Good idea
Tbh. I have like 2k Thistle Tea
that I
rely on
like its life
SO many mugs
It's 5min CD, but helps for boss fights or wpvp
dense jetty
shares with regular potions though rihgt?
mortal finch
I'm not sure actually. I've been using it for over a year, I really dont think so.
Could be wrong
strange python
Wasnt thistle tea in mop?
strange python
What was that haste item
strange python
Oooh
mortal finch
then 5 min cd
strange python
I used something on my boomkin burst in mop
It would increase my haste by x amount
mortal finch
Nah I keep 70 in my actual bag at all times and have like a thousand in bank lol
Ooo nice
dusky tiger
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
civic palm
No CT on ST.
sick cradle
But CT on 2T?
warped dragon
does shrouded suffocation stack for the combo points? or just get 1 trait of it?
warped dragon
ah, ok thanks.
real night
Wtb dagger WQ
civic palm
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
main blaze
@warped dragon but you want to get 3x SS traits because the damage is really good
warped dragon
so ive heard. but i have had 0 luck with getting a dagger drop shrug
blissful crown
Atm i have 2 SS and 1 DD - when i sim myself with the headpiece with the 3rd SS i only gain 200 dps.
Mby it is meant to be like that, i still feel my dmg is high now with only 2
cold epoch
Hi, I have a question. I'm finding that there's no significant damage increase to mobs when using crimson tempest vs poison bomb. When the bomb drops it deals damage to all enemies in the circle, and even though it isn't a guaranteed/reliable proc, the damage is roughly equal to (if not better than) CT
anyone else have a similar experience?
royal lantern
how high is your crit/haste? too use CT you need some crit too generate enough combo points, otherwise you can be unlucky and need too spam fok 2-4 times
tall radish
does dagger in the back stack?
lofty sand
just got a titanforged spyglass lads
grizzled harness
damn
chrome mural
grizzled harness
I think it should fredbot, I'm not sure it can have more than 4debuffs tho
chrome mural
Why is blizzard like this
cold epoch
I'll check out the crit level. What's a decent expectation of crit % for crimson tempest to be effective?
royal lantern
´´reroll into outlaw allready, or we remove skills until you use only 2 skills too´´
chrome mural
Feels like it wants me to be outlaw for sure lol
chrome mural
Yeah I was playing it for ages but people said for mythic raids its better to play something that allows you to focus more on mechanics and less about what rtb you have
grizzled harness
That's what I'm rolling with 'til Raid comes out
Oh yeah, for sure, Outlaw's not a raid spec imo
old pike
Hello, quick question, should I aim for maximum envenom uptime or to envenom at the end of Elaborate planing?
grizzled harness
Envenom uptime I think?
old pike
Like which is worth more, always envenomming with 10% buff or letting 10% buff fall off to ensure maximum envenom uptime
Also, when Elaborate planning is applied, does it affect current cp finisher or not?
main blaze
Envenom pandemics so you should clip it if possible
lofty sand
I got double Deadshot/heed on my gear but I refuse to swap spec to outlaw
grizzled harness
I think it's dynamic yeah
old pike
I understand I should, but what about elaborate planning?
I imagine during vendetta and Toxic blade, 10% buff is especially important
strange python
does EP empowers garrote and toxic blade? Also does rupture auto buffs when used with AP? ty
strange python
sry meant EP
old pike
It should, as it says on tooltip
river citrus
Which traits are you guys going with for m0?
main blaze
SS
river citrus
do you use one or stacked?
main blaze
stack
grizzled harness
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
river citrus
Allright i got 3 340 items with ss, maybe i should try some ASN
lofty sand
Do we?
grizzled harness
Yeah I don't think that's right
main blaze
Ask yourself why do we need to save vanish for vendetta?
lofty sand
I just looked at the opener in Ravenholdt, the only difference from mine is that I vendetta first before rupture. But other than that its basically the same, you only use vanish to refresh garrote. But if you have SS you refresh it as it falls off to let you tick fully
grizzled harness
Doesn't seem right
main blaze
The SS trait is very strong
lofty sand
though I think someone said its worth to pandemic the first garrote, I dunno about that honestly
main blaze
Opener is Gar > Gar > Rup > Vend > TB > Mut > Env > Mut > Env and use vanish when garrote is going to fall off. This is with SS traits
lofty sand
yeah I can never get used to the double garrote, it just feels so wrong
grizzled harness
Ahaha yeah
grizzled harness
Vendetta is dynamic
pearl meteor
Is double gar only worth with 3 SS or 2 as well?
lofty sand
does it? I just think I've been doing it since Legion that for me it feels normal
river citrus
are you playing with vigor or mfd for m0?
calm barn
don't you waste energy that way?
pearl meteor
Idk i haven’t played sin yet, just have the gear for it
lofty sand
Not really, I don't think so but then again thats with gar, multi opener. Not sure if with double gar it would be the same
river citrus
Could someone just explain how i would open on like 3 targets in m0
grizzled harness
triple garrote
lofty sand
Garrote them and CT or rup depending on your talents
grizzled harness
spam fok
river citrus
so only rupture if theres a priotarget?
main blaze
No put up ruptures too, you need the energy regen
river citrus
rupture before ct then?
lofty sand
3 ruptures usually keep your energy up for any kind of shenanigan you plan to do next
river citrus
feels like mobs will be dead before i have time to use ct then
grizzled harness
Yeah
river citrus
pb works allright for m0?
grizzled harness
I don't think you need fullCP Rupture on packs that dies in 20sec
lofty sand
I usually CT first then rup
grizzled harness
I stopped playing sin in m0 cuz all you end up doing is fok>ct
lofty sand
it depends on the amount of mobs honestly and the group I'm with. If I have some strong burster on my group I dont even bother to CT. I just do rups and try to get some Envs out
grizzled harness
Yeah, playing with a ArmsWar, anything I do on packs seems irrelevant anyway
lofty sand
yeah thats why you need to learn to wing it. A lot of times situations will change and you'll need to improvise
usually when I have an arms warrior on my group I get sad, specially when I see that their top damage is their passive mastery 😭
grizzled harness
But if your group lack DPS, I guess 3CP would be good enough to Rupture and tab and repeat? So you can spam endless FoK?
And if you have to re-apply garrote while saving Vanish, you gotta reapply the first one before the 10sec mark? assuming the 3targets will live long enough for it to be worth
lofty sand
if your group lacks dps you can take your time with your rups I don't think you need to rush it. Triple garrote will also give you some energy back its enough that you don't need to worry about it for your first ruptures.
right now very few packs last long enough for you to worry about that
tepid frost
hey there, in a single target fight with Shrouded Suffocation and Subterfuge, would it be good it just open with double garrote to get the maximum duration up and 5 (well technically 6, with one wasted) combo points? So what I am thinking is something along the lines of: Garrote -> Garrote -> Rupture -> Mutilate -> Vendetta -> Toxic blade -> envenom ...
grizzled harness
It seems to be Gar > Gar > Rupt > Vendetta > TB > Mut > Env > Mut > Env
tepid frost
toxic blade before mutilate? if you mutilate first, wouldn't you have more time to fit more envenoms in then? probably wont matter much depending on your luck with crits, but that was my thought process behind it
but good to know that double garrote seems to be the thing you wanna do
strange python
What if you get bad procs and only get 2 cp env? :(
lofty sand
you mean 2 cp multi?
grizzled harness
Then ask your group/raid to restart the encounter 😮
lofty sand
also I think you TB because it prevents you from capping cp, but I could be wrong. I usually go with it because TB hits pretty hard with vendetta
tepid frost
if I only get 2cp mutilate, I do a second one before tb, kinda sucks if you get a 3 cp mutilate next and waste at least one cp of tb, but idk what else to do
lofty sand
its satisfying to use
strange python
I'd say also if you get a 4 cp from a single mutilate use env at 4 so you don't over stack
tepid frost
but then you delay your tb by a lot, which feels bad
lofty sand
TB followed by multi can end in two results, you either get a 5cp env right away or you get 3 cp and you can comfortably multi again knowing you will have a full env. Which I think its desireable under vendetta
thats probably the point
unless ofc TB crits then its a 2 cp
and you're screwed anyways
tepid frost
the thing about that is that you are wasting a lot of uptime of your tb to build cps. But then again, I can't say what's the optimal thing to do
lofty sand
you can only plan around rng so much lads, thats the truth of it
gleaming geyser
@tepid frost mut benefits from TB with a chance at proccing two DP
teal ingot
I read somewhere that Shrouded Suffocation doesnt stack. is that true? I assume the CP doesnt but does the damage
lone junco
Herodamage has graphs of stacked damage.
SS is very good up to the 3rd cast of garrote. It garrote bugs outside of subterfuge. So don't recast on any target after the first 3 gcd. Until the first drops.
teal ingot
its bugs it like it causes the one already applied to no longer be affected but subterfuge
?
grim mason
mhm
teal ingot
so is it still worth for m+ then since you wont be able to spread right away
strange python
Worth on three targets
Or more yes
Even if you only garrote 3 its a ton of damage
spiral bramble
Does haste still make your poisons and bleeds still tick more frequently? I don't see anything posted about it anymore.
north terrace
Yes it does and it's probably not posted anymore since that's the norm now. It was posted because that was not the case before bfa so it was worth noting
spiral bramble
Makes sense. Thank you. I thought it would be more talked about in regards to an additional reason why haste is so strong... But then thought maybe it dosent do enough to make it super relevant.
Relevant in regards to how much stronger it would make haste that is
north terrace
It is a large part of why haste is better. That and melee damage being important again
hollow stone
And energy regen. Mmmm
mystic charm
!wa
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thin ingot
lofty junco
WTF blizzard 3th day in a row we got only 700 gold on EU alliance
mental lava
Hey guys, what is your go to spec as assassination nowadays? I usually choose:
I want to check out other talents but im scaaaared
(pve)
languid ore
Have you tried checking the pin
grim mason
hmmm ST: 2211321 /AOE: 2211323
sly bloom
Hey guys, just picked up assa after being a sub/outlaw boi, and there are some things that need clarification for me (even after reading the guide), just want to check if i get the synergies correctly
TB buffs envenoms + the on hit poison damage of AAs correct?
And i dont exactly recall what the envenom debuff does
How is the pooling supposed to work? Pool then TB close to max cp to fit in the most envenoms? Or just do stuff on CD?
lament abyss
lone junco
@mental lava use EP. rest is fine.
tight ravine
the aoe rotation for sin is just...garrote everything from stealth then go along and rupture them?
sly bloom
I would really love an indepth guide 🤓
Went tru IV/wowhead/RH guides and i find myself with more questions than answers
lone junco
@frigid lagoon icy veins will tell you about the talents and traits. beyond that this guide tells you spec and rotation. beyond that Boodmallet/Herodamge have lists of azerite/trinekt stacks for ST/Cleave, beyond that Sims will help you with specific fight traits and trinkets, beyond that you can ask specific questions.
languid ore
@tight ravine rupture shit that's about to die and fok everything
lone junco
@sly bloom great. if you have a specific question, hmu. after you have read all that other stuff.
i you have a log from a fight, or Sim html, that is best.
yes.
sly bloom
I just wonder if theres any advanced usage to TB or is it just use on CD
lone junco
TB on cd because it hits really hard.
if you have vendetta and TB ready, hit vendetta first. dont just mash tb when it lights up
TB buff poisons, so try to have 3cp then TB. then Env mut mut env mut mut env.
goal is to fit 3 env during TB.
sly bloom
Yup thats exactly what i wanted to know
lone junco
shitty would be to TB mut mut rupture, garrote mut env.
have bleeds up before TB if you can.
but dont delay TB, plan ahead and refresh garrote/rupture in pandemic, prior to TB>
kindred cedar
Only for me bloodmallet website doesnt work?
vivid hearth
quick question, are you guys running crimson tempest in dungeons?
lament abyss
same
grim mason
if I am in chat with my tank i usually stay with PB and let him know not to move mobs wen it procs
kindred cedar
Only for me bloodmallet website doesnt work?
grim mason
let me check @kindred cedar
lament abyss
working for me
grim mason
works fine for myself
blissful crown
I havnt really used CT yet, is it THAT much better than PB?
kindred cedar
but cant let it update so i can see for example bis list of azerite shoulders
lofty junco
no but really 3 days in a row every day jsut 700g feels really bad man
blissful crown
And do you just finish with it 5 CPs instead of envenom?
vivid hearth
Yeah, im not sure when to use it as well
lone junco
@sly bloom for sin in general. Mashing out Mut env is not the goal.
- Uptime on bleeds
- Vendetta/Vanish alignment
- Clipping EP with your env/ruptures.
- TB window.
So outside of TB, you play slow and clip. Prior to TB you setup bleeds, and pool for a sec. going into TB you want either Vendetta (2min) or enough energy to pop off 2+ env. in the tb window.
grim mason
issue I have with pb is tanks seem to move mobs the minute it procs
kindred cedar
@grim mason can you access the azerite armor bis list for assa rogues?
on bloodmallet
lone junco
@blissful crown all finishers are 4 or 5 cp currently (unless you are spreading ruptures in M+ for Scent then 2+
@frigid lagoon Tb.
grim mason
yes I can @kindred cedar
lone junco
env buff is for poison application. that was very important in legion with 4p21
afk
@ me if you ghave more
grim mason
vivid hearth
Another question, are you guys usein MfD for dungs aswell?
vivid hearth
So you run Vigor or DS?
kindred cedar
Im in the EU
grim mason
Vig @hollow osprey
vivid hearth
cheers
grim mason
maybe and E.U thing, when was the last time you were able to connect to it?
kindred cedar
earlier today
grim mason
Also you can sim your toons talents Vs talents and see the result for CT and PB can also change the fight hectic cleave and such
I am not a web tech guy so i'd just say give it 5-15 mins?
maybe a lot of folks in the E.U connecting to it
kindred cedar
When doing rotation and specced to subterfuge, you want to open with garrote from stealth.
So my question is:
I pop vendetta at pull, but when im gonna pop it the second time do i save it for next vanish garrote or just keep it of cd?
vivid hearth
you guys running Internal bleeding or Prey?
prisma bronze
In pure pve, prey is better if you have to stun a mob
Yes bikswee, it cost less energy so you can rupture and start rotation with more energy
kindred cedar
With only one SS trait then?
prisma bronze
I guess yes
sly bloom
alright thanks
lone junco
The 4cp is nice and it pushes the pandemic timing of that early garrote to max for cheap.
And within the subterfuge.
kindred cedar
so i want to do 2x garrote on opener with 1 trait of SS ?
lone junco
You can check the apl sample. But I think yes. Else remove that one trait for something else.
It only adds value in the first 3sec So garrote garrote pushes that subterfuge to 23.5 sec ish.
kindred cedar
ah okey
opaque grotto
Is sub really performing better than assa? I literally destroy every other rogue I play with
kindred cedar
so i'll just open with 2x garrote, up with rupture, then vendetta -> TB and then envenom spam ?
grim mason
You guys been using Thistle tea!!!!!
mossy hazel
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
nocturne gate
what means "clipping" ?
lone junco
Some buffs/debuffs extend when you re apply neat the end. Some buffs replace. Ep replaces. Meaning it is best to rupture or env when ep is at 0.1s left. This is clipping the end.
Ep uptime during the subterfuge duration of SS garrote is going to be important.
So during the vendetta you can spam. But when things slow down it will be important to delay a bit to catch the end of Ep.
Wa is necessary for this stuff.
nocturne gate
but it is "clipping" if we refresh at pandemic ? is it the same then ?
spice surge
EP doesnt pandemic
nocturne gate
i dont mean ep in this case
lone junco
Clipping is to refresh or apply right at the end. Instead of 30% of the remaining duration (pandemic)
nocturne gate
ah ok got it now
lone junco
Pandemic is a window of time to best refresh without wasting. Ep is just at the end.
Like subterfuge. We let it fall off and re apply normal garrote at t=0.
Good ep uptime is 65%
I haven't logged yet. But goal is 100% ep during SS subterfuge duration.
Not sure if that is possible yet. But we can try.
nocturne gate
but i thought the dmg is calc if we cast it so which reason to keep the ep buff up during SS subterfuge duration
grim mason
@lone junco know any in depth vids like what you're explaining, I am a visual type 😃
mossy hazel
How does sim work on traits you haven't unlocked yet, Does it count them or no?
Because I just unlocked 2 great traits (ele whirl and heed) and my sim doesn't look like it went up at all
lone junco
@mossy hazel when you use /simc and paste into top gear, you should see the traits you have, lit up. you can click them to add, but they come in as you can use them.
@grim mason easiest to see it in warcraft log form. but we dont have those yet.
weak pine
One of my guild officers is trying to force me switch to sub or outlaw for raids next week saying how sin is "10% weaker by default" which is reference to the sims. Help
prisma pond
lol
show him hes wrong
so Im playing around on a dummy, and maybe its a bug with details but double casting garrote on ST for the 23 seconds doesnt seem to be working
the timer is showing 23 seconds
but not seeing any more ticks passed the original duraction
10 ticks every time
agile bane
"sims" are higher yeah, but don't forget you actually gotta know how to play the spec to get the dps
i sim higher as sub, but i do more dps as sin cuz i suck at sub
prisma pond
nvm figured it out, once ai dropped combat details stopped counting ticks
spice surge
Assa does damage even when you have to run out of melee range
So if fights require you to do anything besides tunneling the boss assa gets better than the sims show (comparatively)
next wolf
Your officer sounds like a clown
I guess he'll be able to show you his 10% better damage next week eh
prisma pond
If you officer is asking you to do that obviously your cutting edge mythic right?
tough violet
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
mossy hazel
I wouldn't run with any guild that's going to force me into a particular spec
lone junco
But sure.
next wolf
isn't survival simming quite well?
lone junco
Don't care. Get out of melee.
still hinge
survival is fine
fast nacelle
!ui
vestal wren
we have !wa
versed finch
Tell him you cant switch to any other spec because sins artifact mog daggers are on your back
That alone is cool enough to play sin.
lone junco
@still hinge Yeah. I don't think you get it. If someone is melee they 1. Better do a raid buff. 2 be a tank of spec. 3. Beat me in cleave and st. Else get back to ranged because you are a positioning liability. But your guild your raid.
next wolf
Only rogues and warriors in your melee dps line up then ?
still hinge
@lone junco 👌
strange python
does shrouded suffocation stack?
deft locust
lone junco
It is really good. Just don't bug it.
coral meteor
That bug where it's overwritten if you normal garrote anything??
lone junco
Yes.
So in trash stop at 3garrote. Until about 18sec
Unless you vanish for 3more garrote targets.
lone junco
@next wolf Dh. Monk. 2x warrior. Rogue. Dk.
dense cedar
What are DKs playing or is it fair to play both dps specs?
tough topaz
Have they announced anything about the garrote bug?
nova pagoda
whats the bug?
strange python
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
keen hound
Is the insane dmg from garrote intended though? Or is that a bug / something they intend to change?
Getting garrote crits for ~12k dmg (only 2 piece SS) is nuts 😂
tawdry pulsar
Currently levelling a sin rogue, gonna take a very long time to get used to go from cheap shotting to garroting 3 targets
And I'm dreading doing class hall stuff to unlock the mask of artful dodging, it's such a cool head piece but suramar 🤢
prisma pond
I'd be cool if they nerfed the damage a bunch, but made it work on all garrotes instead of stealth ones only. Less burst but better overall sustain.
median roost
They probably have to wait for raid to see, right now the fights are all so short you basically have buffed garrotes the whole fight, longer fights there will be downtime
lilac spade
Is the SS added dmg on every tick or total?
prisma pond
tick
lavish frost
is there a macro for using mutilate but if i got an blindside procc it would use blindside instead ?
with the new gcd putting just both with /cast in one macro is not working
lavish frost
isnt the execute in assa called blindside ?
lavish frost
right
prisma pond
vestal dune
Poison bomb gives me less than 300 more dps than crimson tempest. Is it's so bad?
on single target
spring lantern
There is no macro to do 2 things aka "if-clauses" do not exist outside of general conditionals like "if target is enemy cast, otherwise don't"
wild edge
Is there no way? Something like /cast blindside (it doesnt work) and then it just jumps to the second thing in the makro
(/cast mulitlate) ?
dense cedar
Its not very good damage but its better ST because the other two talents aren't used at all in those situations @vestal dune
vestal dune
Yeah, I am just surprised the difference between having it or not is so small
I am probably gonna go crimson even in raids if there are any adds
coral meteor
Conditionals don't work anymore @wild edge because as you can guess, people would just go back to making one button rotations again lol.
prisma pond
only way is if the proc put you into a "stance" like shadowdance does
wild edge
Ok thanks for you help.
drifting cloud
why is this ss bug not pinned
I dont read the channel at all just check pins, so it having a command doesnt help me at all didnt know it existed until a minute ago
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
drifting cloud
now read again what I wrote
civic palm
Yeah that's great I never said it was a good idea.
dense cedar
you don't look out for such information so you don't find such information
like
what
civic palm
I don't think anyone expects anyone to scroll up and read pages of shit.
drifting cloud
good to see youre still a mongo in 2018 vansolo
I play the game, not sit on discord
a gamebreaking bug deserves a pin atleast
civic palm
You can do both > _>
dense cedar
disgusting
civic palm
and being fancy lookin
civic palm
I stole it O _O
dense cedar
🚓
vestal dune
Is that coat from the disguise glyph or can you actually get that transmog?
dense cedar
I guess I could try survival
civic palm
IIRC you can't get the coat yet
vestal dune
😦
dense cedar
Why is rogue the only dps class 
civic palm
... mage?
dense cedar
ranged
dense cedar
doesn't count
I wonder how good survival is
wait
@drifting cloud who tf are you?
lofty sand
sullen pagoda
o boi its vansolo
lone junco
@civic palm good mog. The fanciest outlaw in town.
civic palm
THE fanciest thief in the multi-verse.
safe matrix
What are the common questions/answers in this channel
I'll make a FAQ post with them and the bugs
civic palm
Hmmm...
Thinking of non-guide questions.
CT on Bosses?
Weapon Enchants?
Two Daggers?
The newer opener.
dense cedar
Two daggers?
civic palm
Some people forgot we need 2 daggers for MUT > _>
dense cedar
I mean even if you don't know that
strange python
the double garrote opener is a big one
safe matrix
weapon enchants are in the pins
dense cedar
the garrote one is a good thing to add
civic palm
I'd probably move it to the FAQ like you have in the OTL channel just so people might know where to look for it better.
Familiarity and whatnot.
strange python
probably say the double garrote is experimental and could be optimal but until tuning pass i wouldn't set it in stone
civic palm
I mean it's better flat out now, no reason to now have it in there.
strange python
i guess im part of the problem then
civic palm
and if things are different come Tuesday just update it then.
No reason to ask more questions in the FAQ yaknow?
strange python
you right you right
safe matrix
CT on bosses, mind answering that for me I haven't looked at sin since prepatch
civic palm
SAVING SOME TURTLES ATM
drifting cloud
you don't use it on ST
but since PB only does like 2-3% dmg its always better to have CT in dugneons
is the gist of it I think?
basically assa 100 talent tree is poop
civic palm
izVeryGood goaway
steep badger
CT's really situational, great for dungeon trash and boss fights with 3+ high hp mobs
all else pb's the way to go
civic palm
Anyway yeah.
On any 2+ mob situation where the mob will live for the duration of CT, it's a clear winner.
cinder palm
With the extra cps from SS CT feels like it’s pretty ez to keep up too
civic palm
You'd rather put that into CP gen. for the longer term.
But in M0-5 it's probably better to CT off the opener CP.
dense cedar
I can't think of anything I see people ask a lot in here that isn't in the pins
civic palm
Yeah SIN is rather straight-forward.
dense cedar
oh
like
I think every spec gets this but
maybe put down that traits are only damage stacking
idk if that's somewhere else
but that gets asked a lot
civic palm
Yeah that's some general shit though, that DMG components of Traits stack.
It's also in the QQ FAQ.
safe matrix
FAQ/BUGS
Frequently Asked Questions
-Use two daggers, mutilate requires two daggers to use.
-The damage part of all traits stacks, for example Shrouded Suffocation doesn't grant an extra combo point after the first trait but grants more damage for every stack.
-Shrouded Suffocation works by buffing each tick of garrote by the amount, rather than some other mean to increase overall damage.
How do I use Galecallers Boon?
-With Toxic Blade: On cooldown
-With Exsanguinate: Do NOT hold exsang for every galecaller. Use them seperately on cooldown with the exception of the third galecaller use, which you want to delay to line up with vendetta+vanish+exsang at around 2.25
-Pandemic this term relates to reapplying buffs/debuffs. When a debuff (like garrote) is refreshed, its remaining time (up to a cap of 30% max duration, so 18x0.3=5.4s for garrote) will be added to the new buff. Primarily used to give leeway to reapply bleeds, however can also be used to make bleeds last longer.
civic palm
🍪 here's your cookie.
coral meteor
PREACH
I'm surprised "is x spec better than x spec" is not considered pin-worthy
I know it's covered in rules and guides
civic palm
There's no answer for that question quite yet.
coral meteor
But it still makes it's way into here
Yeah there is, the answer is vodka.
Change my mind
civic palm
Yeah but FAQs are for ANSWERS, not subjective shit.
coral meteor
True 🤔
strange python
#rules-and-guides has an answer to that
safe matrix
Which rogue spec is the best?
-If you have to ask this you're probably not doing the type of content where this matters, tuning hasn't happened yet, all three rogue specs sit at/near the top of dps sims for raid, and all three specs are top tier for m+. Play whichever you enjoy.
from #385145484559253506
lone junco
No reason not to double garrote in single opener. It pushes the SS to 23 sec from 18
safe matrix
I'm not sure if its just with SS or if its with subt too
lone junco
Then vanish reset to re extend that
My only concern with SS. Is that it fucks with the vend vanish alignment at 2min.
lofty sand
The rogue spec one usually comes with some rude comparations like "when will Sin stop getting shitstomped by outlaw" or something like that
lone junco
But I think delay vendetta about 20sec to realign them at 220 will be a strong gain.
Anything that lives long enough to get a 220 420 or even 620 vendetta vanish should be a gain.
fresh ginkgo
Is there any guide or post on skipping trash with cloak in dungeons?
supple hearth
@fresh ginkgo no
civic palm
There are some pretty fucking neat skips though.
fresh ginkgo
mind to share?
civic palm
The only neat one is using the house to the right of the second bridge to jump the trash there.
You can also clear and skip some trash taking the left and not center route after the secondboss.
coral meteor
Tbh in the 2nd week I figured which trash to scream shroud on lol
Gonna be a bit more complicating when m+ happens though as I'm not sure exactly how much trash you can get away with skipping
fresh ginkgo
@civic palm talking about free hold?
coral meteor
The bridge before the 3rd boss on Shrine though - fuck that trash
safe matrix
When m+ strats become more solid, maybe we'll get a skip guide
civic palm
Yeah FH sorry thought I sadi that.
coral meteor
I like to skip most of the trash at the start of underrot too
fresh ginkgo
yea
safe matrix
the mask pack fucking hurts, and so does the leach pack
especially if you're melee heavy
coral meteor
yup
coral meteor
Yeah
loud hearth
Got a quick question. What % should we be looking for for Haste and Crit to be at?
civic palm
Different for different people/gear. Best bet is to SIM and see for yourself.
idle radish
calm cobalt
Another weapon world quest
another one hander reward
That makes 2 world quests and 1 emissary that has given one handers this week and I've seen 1 dagger WQ the whole expansion
proud ore
what side are u on?
horde US has only had 2 weapons, zero emissaries and zero daggers
and ones up now lol
silk sundial
Ohh, on US Alliance there is a 1 hand axe AND a fist weapon up. No dagger
proud ore
woa we have an axe too.... that seems planned
im confused what hoodie is must be eu
lucky to even have daggers and an emissary lol
silk sundial
I think like day 3 or 4 there was a dagger wq, havent seen any since. Man that 340 dagger emissary would've been so nice
proud ore
is that true i thought us alliance was also starved
damn
wait i dont tihnk us alliance has seen an emissary?
silk sundial
We havent
silk sundial
I was just saying there was a regular wq on like day 3 or 4
proud ore
its also lame there is no axe available from dungeons
proud ore
you can get them from BGs too but you gotta get lucky
you are better off spamming heroics lool
i just finally got a 330 dagger doing that yesterday
silk sundial
Incentive to go into war mode i guess. Lol as rogues warmode isn't too bad
faint crypt
this may be a really stupid question but it doesnt say on any of the assassination abilities that they require dagger's? does this mean i can use any 1hander's?
proud ore
it does when you dont have one on
calm cobalt
was afk sorry
Ally US
There was a dagger a couple weeks ago
and there's been 3 one handers this week
safe matrix
I even wrote a FAQ in the pins ._.
"-Use two daggers, mutilate requires two daggers to use."
calm cobalt
Fist weapon yesterday, axe just came up, and another fist weapon from the last order of embers emissary
I really want to play assassination but my daggers are 320 and 310 😦
opaque tree
i just got a dead-eye spyglass... but using it in mythics it feels so terrible.
it procs on average of once a minute, but there are bosses where when adds come out it will proc and I can be a douche and not switch, or lose out on the buff... I dunno I was stoked when i got it, but now i'm kind of bummed and not sure if i want to use it, since there are very little single target fights
raven mica
Holy shit I just raised enough gold to buy myself a fathoms bois
I am ready to whoop it in M+
strange python
So random question and I'm sure it's been asked before, however I've found conflicting information while trying to research it. Does the Shrouded Suffocation trait stack? I know at one point it wasn't working at all, I'm just curious if since the last hotfixes went through if it was worth farming a 3rd piece with it.
the damage stacks, but it is a little bit buggy, check the FaQ in the pinned messages
coral meteor
Yeah, even though I think you can get 4 garrotes in opener, with ss you stop at 3 because if you fuck up and the 4th one lands outside of stealth you're fucked.
delicate crater
is it normal for my Sin to sim 800ish dps below outlaw, with same ilvl and BiS AZ traits for both?
prime stirrup
Those 26k Garrote crits feel nice
frigid mica
These numbers will last until the first breaking edge Guilds pack like 3+ Sin rogues in Uldir world firsts 😦 which as a Sin rogues makes me 😦
prime stirrup
Im only at 2xSS too. 3x would be like 30k+
frigid mica
hold my beer
hazy iron
Shanksy what's your stat breakdown?
lapis sigil
Does the extra damage from Shrouded Suffocation work outside of stealth?
sacred seal
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
prime stirrup
@hazy iron 22.25% cri 15% haste 29% mastery
eager stratus
Is weapon type relevant for assa rogues? For example does it evne matter if i use daggers over sword+dagger or whatever?
strange python
Yea, guessing the "buggy" aspec is why I was getting mixed answers. Ty all for the feedback
hard stump
So I'm assuming then the opener with the "bugged" trait should be Stealth-Garrote-Garrote-Garrote-Rupture-Vendetta-TB-Mut-Env (Continue this until 5.4sec or less on Garrote) - Pool energy before vanish-Vanish-Garrote-Garrote-Garrote? or would simply just reapplying one Subterfuge garrote with vanish be sufficient? ... I just couldn't find this anywhere, sorry if it was already posted.
civic palm
It's Vanish G G
civic palm
I imagine his assumption is for maximum time, but you only need 1 repetition to get there.
safe matrix
So two garrote if there is no garrote active
civic palm
or if you are in Vanish/Stealth window.
safe matrix
But if there's a garrote active above 5.4 seconds you only need one garrote
civic palm
Sure.
hard stump
ok cheers
safe matrix
I covered this in the pins iirc
civic palm
2 on opener, 1 on Vanish Refresh
hard stump
Just was confused when I saw the !ss
main blaze
You can also just let the garrote fall off or vanish at like 1s left and do a double garrote since garrote costs less than a mutilate
civic palm
Well if the Garrote falls off then you repeat the opener sequence in regards to Garrote usage.
hard stump
@safe matrix the !ss is different that's why I asked.
safe matrix
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
hazy iron
yeah 3 garrotes on a single target seems wasteful
civic palm
It's not very wasteful, but it's more-than-likely a small loss in DPS.
main blaze
Well it wastes a GCD, Energy, CPs and does no damage
opaque tree
Are you saying avoid casting a 4th garrote like on another target? So if there are 4 targets, garrote 3 from stealth, apply rupture to ALL 4, but only have garrote on those 3 and don't touch them with another garrote?
safe matrix
Yes
main blaze
Yes
civic palm
Yarrr
opaque tree
wtfffff
civic palm
WHO PINGIN ME?!
opaque tree
i hope blizzard fixes this shit
main blaze
Well dont touch them with another garrote until the SS garrotes fall off
civic palm
Yeah it should be fine soon.
safe matrix
Any application of an unbuffed garrote unempowers all of the ss buffed ones
That's why it's bugged
civic palm
Simple state-based effect.
opaque tree
they're probably going to fix our trait, and then NERF it AGAIN the same night 😛
civic palm
Well if it's doing too much DMG then it needs to be.
opaque tree
i don't think it is
civic palm
Though that's not the case anymore and I doubt 3xSS is ever going to be an issue.
strange python
Which trait? Sorry just joined the convo
civic palm
Shrouded
opaque tree
because aff locks are killing me still
and i'm not top in AoE, frost DKs are killing it with procs
we're not top.. we're just really good
civic palm
If it's not Raids or M+ the numbers don't really matter.
strange python
Agree
civic palm
Timelines are far too short in most cases.
main blaze
Everyone is crying its doing too much damage but they are only doing like < 1 min boss fights
strange python
Even casual raiding it doesn't matter
civic palm
Heroic it will for the first few weeks before people begin reducing timers low enough that you're not getting a 3rd Vendetta.
etc.
opaque tree
but that's why i don't feel like it's doing too much damage, because we only benefit from our trait every 2 minutes on a vanish
civic palm
Its still a shit ton of DMG.
opaque tree
and yeah fights are short so... our damage is staying pretty high till the end of these short fights
strange python
Raids are ezpz
versed mica
So what I'm getting from this conversation is that assassin is behind the other specs right now?
blissful dove
all seem strong if you gear for them and play them properly
safe matrix
Every spec has its fight in uldir
Assassination is very viable, it's kinda meh in m0 though since everything dies so fast
versed mica
Well, I've been playing outlaw because whenever I sim assassination, I tend to do almost 1000 less dps
I'd play sub but I hate the playstyle
safe matrix
Yeah but when you play sin, your dps is punished less by downtime
versed mica
is it probably because my gear isn't optimized for mut?
safe matrix
You have better longer "AoE" damage
It's the lowest pure single target specs in sims out of the rogue specs
blissful dove
Grand scheme what is 1k dps on a patchwerk sim
safe matrix
Even then it's still top 6 overall out of all dps
blissful dove
think of the fights themselves
main rain
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
versed mica
Maybe I'll just go back to mut. I like outlaw, but I'm tired of rerolling 10 times before I get anything good
safe matrix
Sin also has a lot more consistency compared to outlaw
versed mica
@safe matrix You talked about it being in the top 6. Where do you get those rankings? warcraftlogs?
versed mica
true
delicate gull
I’d play sin for sure if it wasn’t like 50% pooling
safe matrix
I meant to just copy paste this a while ago
versed mica
I'm in a casual raiding guild, I'm just super competitive with my guildies and my brother. I want to beat their dps lmao
safe matrix
Being good/putting in effort of a spec > rerolling to a fotm spec
versed mica
Well that's why I'm not playing sub hahaha. I just can't particularly decide between rerolling forever vs. being energy starved
safe matrix
Play both