assassination

[stuck shuttle]

only the damage

[grim mason]

oh yeah no just the damage, would be insane if it did can you imagine 😄

drool

[cerulean walrus]

Could you imagine if it did

Dear god

"So this is the story all about how my sin rogue got turned upside down"

[grim mason]

yeah thats the 1st thing i tested when i got that trait lol

LMAO

[lone junco]

Would be too many cp anyway.

The dmg is the good stuff

[grim mason]

yes would be wasted cp

[lone junco]

Would be garrote rupture garrote.

[cerulean walrus]

"I used one little garrote and Blizz got scared, They said I'm nerfing you into the ground because that's what's fair"

[lone junco]

3 garrotes is better even with the overcap.

[cerulean walrus]

Well if the CP did stack, I'm guessing that you'd only Subt in multi

Otherwise go with Nightstalker no?

[grim mason]

yeah been teaching my tank for mythics on trash pulls I need all the mobs close to get all 3 G's off or ill tab target to shit not close and waste precious seconds

[lone junco]

Depends on the damage.

I wait for tank before I open.

No different than legion shoulder

[grim mason]

yeah i give him 2-3secs...i

[cerulean walrus]

Clearly you just go ham and then pop Tricks on the healer 👏

[lone junco]

delay open until they are closer. And only garrote the elites if you can.

[grim mason]

bro I wish....tab targeting doesnt discriminate!!1 which there was an option to tab to dragon frame target s before lesser mobs!

wish!**

[cerulean walrus]

Clicking on target meta confirmed

[hollow stone]

Def member to trix healer. Adds dps i swear

[cerulean walrus]

^^

[hollow stone]

Click abilities too, efficiency is king 😮

[cerulean walrus]

Right! Why press buttons when you can CLICK

[hollow stone]

The sound is more satisfying

[tough violet]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Do my azerite traits stack?
The damage part of azerite Stacks.
Other components can be assumed to stack however with some exceptions and limitations.
You can check https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/azeritestacks/1t-t22-assassination for estimations.

[cerulean walrus]

assumed to stack

combo points don't stack

Reeeeeee

[tough violet]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[grim mason]

do you guys have trash set and St sets?

[stuck shuttle]

no

[cerulean walrus]

Could you imagine how ridiculous Sin rogues would be in PvP if the CP stacked from SS. One garrote into max combo point Kidney Shot

Dear lord

[grim mason]

"Control is King" 😃

[royal lantern]

garrote->kidney->garrote

ouch

that would be so dirty

[stuck shuttle]

garrote > cheap shot -> rupture -> garrote -> mut -> kidney is what ive been doing.

they can't move

[grim mason]

anyone wwant to knock WQ in a group!?

[nimble gulch]

im doing jaina questline atm waiting for like 21 min to enter shrine

[grim mason]

and socialize in game make friends :)?

ahh

[cerulean walrus]

If the CP stacked off SS I'd assume you'd go Garrote>Kidney>Garrote>Cheap Shot

[grim mason]

Horde by the way

[cerulean walrus]

Basically permastunned and silenced

[tough violet]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[grim mason]

sometime today I want to try a 4 rogue 1 healer bg's

or all 5 rsin rogue grp

[cerulean walrus]

Lmfao

The salt

[grim mason]

Sea salty'ness

😄

[cerulean walrus]

"Alright bois lets time these garrotes so he's silenced forever"

[hollow stone]

Prob the wrong place to post this but youd want at least one sub rogue for the sweet sweet cheap shot spread during dance

[sour citrus]

Lol

[cerulean walrus]

Who needs cheap shot when you have........ PoIsOn BoMb

[grim mason]

lol nah I got love for all rogue spec in general tho I preffer outlaw and sin gameplay myself

[cerulean walrus]

The "Oopies I dropped my bottle of shit again" talent

[hollow stone]

I do too, sub is my least favorite of the 3. But it has its place

[cerulean walrus]

Don't you just hate it when you swing your dagger a bit too hard and your vial of poison shatters on the ground?

Just falls out of your pocket

[sour citrus]

And then the tank moves the boss out of it

[grim mason]

welp not getting my daggers this week sigh

[royal lantern]

i feel you man

[cerulean walrus]

Don't you just hate it when you're reaching for your car keys and your jar of jam falls on the ground?

[stuck shuttle]

!sim

[sour citrus]

Me too, dags still at 300ilvl

[ancient mist]

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@stuck shuttle

[royal lantern]

we dont need 340 weapons too be better then those dirty ranged people

[sour citrus]

Ranged...so lazy...

[grim mason]

do tanks see ppoison bombs, because the minute it bombs they move mobs

[royal lantern]

if your weapons are still 300....dude...you can buy 310 for a couple of gold

[cerulean walrus]

No one but rogues see PBs

[grim mason]

thats what i thought

[cerulean walrus]

Probably because "Muh confusion"

[willow oracle]

I never realized taht.

[sour citrus]

@royal lantern I know, but still crossing my balls for a drop

[willow oracle]

*that

[cerulean walrus]

Blizz doesn't want tanks thinking its a boss mechanic

[royal lantern]

tbf, poison bomb looks like the stuff you want too run out

[grim mason]

Oh I know we dont need the weps but It was be satisfying to have em and rewarding!!

[cerulean walrus]

^^^

[royal lantern]

the shit on freehold and stuff

[grim mason]

I need that silly drug my brain makes and releases when i do something

dope-a-mine?

[sour citrus]

@grim mason thats what you call lotion and vids

[cerulean walrus]

You'd think that tanks would get the fact that these weird green piles of goo are constantly on the ground so it can't just be that every damn mob in the game has that as an ability... 🤦

But nooooo

[grim mason]

lmao

[sour citrus]

@cerulean walrus true...

[royal lantern]

duuude, we talk about bfa tanks

take a guardian druid

[grim mason]

PB can bee given a diff color, like the dot you get in Kings Rest from the slimes

[cerulean walrus]

Guardian is literally even more boring than it was before... and it was already a fossil

[royal lantern]

if you give them more then 4 skills on the keyboard the probably cry that the class is too complicated

[sour citrus]

@royal lantern to my luck, no druid tank yet. Just mean old pally and warriors and a pinch of demon hunter

[cerulean walrus]

All* Druids are fossils (fixed that)

[royal lantern]

and you expect THOSE guys too know that green go under the enemy is not always bad?

[cerulean walrus]

Lmao

[royal lantern]

all tanks except monks are boring as hell, change my mind

[cerulean walrus]

How about "Slap muh dicc on the keyboard" BM

[royal lantern]

nah, bm hunter is not that much of a meme anymore

they do more then they did in legion

[sour citrus]

@@cerulean walrus Wait are we still talking about druids or something else???

[grim mason]

been running with a leather group for about a week now DH tank, WW monk and myself

[cerulean walrus]

I think we're just having our daily class bash

"All other classes are inferior to rogues" yada yada

[sour citrus]

Bbl, wife calling

[grim mason]

I laugh everytime I see a Spriest sign up for our groups

[royal lantern]

well, its true:P

[cerulean walrus]

Rogue is the master class, change my mind

...

[grim mason]

later @sour citrus

[cerulean walrus]

WHile in the Ravenholdt Discord

[grim mason]

1BIS

!BIS

[cerulean walrus]

WTF did they do to Feral though lmao, with all these Arthas references in the cinematics... did they feel it necessary to make Warlocks and Druids go back in time too?

[grim mason]

Feral isnt worth playing till these fixes they talking about

unless healing

[frank wyvern]

what's the correct opener with subterfuge and SS trait btw? trying out sin a bit

[cerulean walrus]

Nah Resto druids are in the toilet too

[royal lantern]

in aoe

[grim mason]

lol

[royal lantern]

3x garrote

[cerulean walrus]

Feral druid is just Rogue's shitty little wannabe

[frank wyvern]

@royal lantern that's ok, but single target... you stack 2 garrotes then rapture then normal rotation?

[grim mason]

I think there is a Sin "rotation " command bot

[slender peak]

3x garrotes on multi target rupture then fok spam. ST 2x garrote rupture vendetta mut tb env

[frank wyvern]

y though so, thank you

[royal lantern]

^

[grim mason]

i just dont know it

[cerulean walrus]

!rot

[lone junco]

Just don't do the 4th garrote due to bug.

[cerulean walrus]

lol nope

[frank wyvern]

4th garrote on aoe you mean?

[stuck shuttle]

yes

[frank wyvern]

on 4th target

[cerulean walrus]

No

[frank wyvern]

oki

thank you

[cerulean walrus]

Wait for your other garrotes to fall off before you garrote another target

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[lone junco]

Yeah Any application outside of subterfuge breaks all applications.

[woeful wraith]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9xiZPcNCJpB4MprGf1NuGG

vs

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k5zMkngbE1pPGN8jdfv8Mu

so sad.

[royal lantern]

balance patch comming

[cerulean walrus]

Alrighty bois, I gotta go cause college classes make me want to die

[royal lantern]

dont cry about dps sims

and sin gets stronger with more secondary stats

[frank wyvern]

yeh my sin sims 12.1k where sub/out sim 12.8k

[cerulean walrus]

Sin scales with gear

Gets better as Xpac progresses

[grim mason]

and Education now lets the future more relaxing

[frank wyvern]

i expect it to shine as soon as post uldir

tbh

[stuck shuttle]

it will

in higher gear sets

[woeful wraith]

We'll see.

[stuck shuttle]

sin is going to scale

[grim mason]

and live comfortable have a good day @cerulean walrus

[frank wyvern]

is it important to have more then one SS trait?

[cerulean walrus]

Thanks @grim mason

[stuck shuttle]

yes

[frank wyvern]

i mean seeing that we will 99.9% use one laser matrix in raid

[stuck shuttle]

you want all 3

for now

[frank wyvern]

okay

got TB/DITB on other 2 parts

for now

[grim mason]

what pieces give all three atm

[frank wyvern]

and 2xgutripper and heed the call x1

[dapper plover]

ss not good?

[grim mason]

er I mean all they all from dungeon drops

[tidal sedge]

is Dagger in the Back still broken?

[royal lantern]

the dmg yes

the effect no

[nimble gulch]

Nice just got galecaller boon

[stuck shuttle]

gratss

[tidal sedge]

by damage you mean that it still stacks with another person?

[royal lantern]

no, the trait is simply too strong

but it works

[stuck shuttle]

finally simming over 12k 😤

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oTg6J1hPgcPktzqvLWbL86

[fringe estuary]

How is assassination in mythics looking latelyt?

[prisma pond]

With ssx3 amazing

[stuck shuttle]

its been amazing for me

I was pulling ~18k on some mythic bosses last night with good pb procs

[unkempt gulch]

you like running PB over CT for mythics?

[stuck shuttle]

hell yeah

with 2x SS, CT don't even matter

[unkempt gulch]

interesting, i may try running PB then

[civic palm]

Don't get used to this.

PBOMB is worse period.

[unkempt gulch]

thats what i was thinking

[strange python]

you recommand crimson tempest over poison bomb ?

[gleaming geyser]

39.7k non crit

[fast fog]

When's the best time to use Galecallers in the opener? After all dots have been applied?

[thin shale]

Is there a pvp guide for Assassination?

[nimble gulch]

i would use it after the opener garote debuff is over cause the tricket give u haste wich will help keeping energy lvl up

but idk that how ive been using it

[grim mason]

yes @thin shale

I dont know the command lol

scroll up

its there somewhere

[stuck shuttle]

@fast fog APL says you should use it right on pull

[lapis grail]

hey i dont see pvp talents in guide

currently running Creeping venom/System Shock/Manueverabilty..

thoughts?

[grim mason]

Oh pvp sorry

just read guide part

situational to be honest

[thin shale]

I love assassination, but I don't want to do pve as rogue

[grim mason]

orc i run Glad trinket Creeping venom system shock and Flying daggers in wpvp

I only change the last wone depending on situation

havent been in bg's enough this xpac

been farming mythics

yeah I hear you

[devout jolt]

smoke bomb is great

[grim mason]

just hit the pvp section see what popin in there

[fringe estuary]

anyone got a good mythic/M+ build?

[thin shale]

Ah, there are pvp guides pinned in Pvp (could've guessed that)

[fast fog]

Thanks Heck, I had been using it after applying Garrote and Rupture but ill try on pull.

[strange python]

guys what's the reason we use vendetta during the pull and not before?

on single target

[tidal sedge]

it generates 60 energy

[thin shale]

I think because you have most poisons active by the time you activate vendetta, and that

[tidal sedge]

sometimes i generate too much energy, during lust phase with booncallers i can get like 98% haste

[strange python]

i've been playing assassination since launch and i didn't notice it generated energy till now 😄

k nvm

[hollow stone]

It was a carry over from a legion weapon trait, dw, it was just caked into vd for bfa

[royal lantern]

im happy that they made that change tbh

[tidal sedge]

once you open and have no energy then use vendetta mmmm so good

[weak pine]

!darkmoon

[prisma monolith]

Darkmoon Deck: Fathoms is still a top tier trinket, even after the recent nerf. Herodamage has updated sims for this trinket, for all specs.

[opaque grotto]

@fast fog I use mine when I press vendetta

And then on CD after that

It should line up with every vendetta

[sturdy python]

How does assassination compare to the other specs in ST?

[gleaming geyser]

all specs are pretty close, sin is a few hundreds behind in sims

picks it up on cleave

[valid junco]

Sin players are 99% robots , so when raids hits us we get nerfs

while tard subs and outlaws 1 button themself to get buffed =DD

[royal lantern]

no hate betwen the specs

lets just all togheter hate those dirty ranged dps mains

[hollow stone]

🤖 i make bleeds n poisons. Beep boop

[daring imp]

i was watching a few stream clips some friends sent me

is the idea to agro a few adds with bosses as sub persists even at high keys? seems hard on the tank/healer @_@"

[hollow stone]

Dont you worry about it. Let the tanks n heals worry about it. #PureDpsLife

I havent watched any but i could see potential issues with that for sin. Restealth will be very important in m+. And the infect affix could cause additional problems depending on its interaction with the bosses and the number of infect mobs in a m+

[sturdy python]

That used to be a popular strat on bosses like the dragon in Darkheart Thicket. Pull 5 whelps so the Sub can burn boss

[lone junco]

In legion. For tyr bossed. Groups would pull extra insignificant trash mobs to the boss for sub to cleave off for fat dfa.

[hollow stone]

Fok to 5cp over and over is pretty sexy

[lone junco]

Not even the same.

Storm combo is real deal.

FOK is just cps.

[hollow stone]

Fair enough

[sturdy python]

And with this new M+ ability where you have to burn a priority target down constantly Sub will be amazingg

[lone junco]

Or. Pulls will be too small due to difficult trash mechanics. And sin will dumpster sub in the 3-4t range.

[timber fable]

does shrouded suffocation damage stack? is worth having 3 azerite pieces with it?

[stuck shuttle]

yes

and yes

[hollow stone]

Dmg stacks, bonus cps do not

Still very good to stack

[lone junco]

Remember dont cast garrote out of subterfuge until the opener falls off

Targets 4,5,6 don't get a garrote unless you vanish.

[hollow stone]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[hollow stone]

Cause we need this one more time lol

[lone junco]

I think I'll probably run 1ss/2sc or 2ss/1sc.

[plain thistle]

ss sc cs cc 😄

[south glen]

i have checked icy veins but im curious if you guys have a different opinion on which talent to use in mythic+ vigor or deeper strategem?

[lone junco]

Vig for all content currently imo. But if you have a sim saying otherwise it's probably an insignificant difference.

DS was only viable with high crit chances. So you didn't waste cps at 2 or 3 mut.

Or when using exsang

[south glen]

ok thanks for you time and answer 😄

[timber fable]

is elaborate planning much better than master poisoner?

[plain thistle]

😃

[lone junco]

I think so. Ep buffs SS garrotes. But you can sim the talent comps.

[plain thistle]

@timber fable if you check https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/combinations/1t-pr-assassination/ the difference is not that big, so....

thats for single target

[timber fable]

thanks! @plain thistle

[lone junco]

Running a handful of comps right now. I bet top to bottom is like 4%. But I might be wrong

Lol. I was wrong.

[calm barn]

love how vendetta, vanish, dark iron racial and crit trinket align all together

[lone junco]

Obv don't have the mastery to make that green mp worth a shit.

[plain thistle]

casual noobe, simming less than 12k 😦

😂

[lone junco]

My outlaw is above. Blue daggers

Not concerned. Ill get purp later this week or Tuesday night m+ next week.

[stuck shuttle]

who takes a screenshot like that

lol

[calm barn]

someone who dont have discord at work maybe

[lone junco]

I blocked discord on my work pc.

[stuck shuttle]

ah lol

[lone junco]

Can't stop me tho.

[grim mason]

does rupture return energy?

[stuck shuttle]

through venomous wonds

yes

[lone junco]

When it ticks on poisoned targets. And when the mob does.

Dies.

[timber fable]

I guess they are pretty even for me

[lone junco]

Things may deviate at 2T or 3T.

Also depends on your traits.

Aka. 3t garrotes buffed by ep instead of

Mp

[hollow stone]

Ep (imo) is especially effective during 2+t as you can use finishers more frequently giving it more uptime

Gotta keep that in mind

[lone junco]

Ep also buffs FOK whites. And melee white.

In trash tabbing ruptures. Will buff agi and boost your ep.fok.

[hollow stone]

Right. So usually if they are simming very close in st pw fight, ep is slightly better due to what noobe n i are saying

[timber fable]

Yea that makes sense thanks guys

[hollow stone]

More mastery may change that tho. We'll see

[lone junco]

I expect haste and crit to carry ep bleeds farther than mastery for a while.

Esp with such a limp pb.

[hollow stone]

I think thats a safe expectation

[tawdry pulsar]

Hello everyone 😃

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[tidal sedge]

how did my dps go down after getting to lvl 20 heart

D:

[stuck shuttle]

lol what

has to be a bug in sim

[tidal sedge]

must be i went from 12,297 to 12,228

[dense cedar]

that's probably just fight variance

[lone junco]

Is your simc addon updated?

The paste string was out of date.

Or something.

[stuck shuttle]

yeah could be variance

if youre using raidbots, change smartsim to like 10k iterations

keep it constant

[lone junco]

I use 100k for weights and such. Smart sim for sifting through gear.

[tidal sedge]

yeah the first sim was a few days ago through my guilds discord raidbot and the second was a simc string i copied and used on raidbots.com

[unique pawn]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[tidal sedge]

i went ahead and simmed in my guilds raidbot channel and it came back as 12,308 dps B) we good

[lone junco]

Raidbots is correct.

[gleaming geyser]

mastery weights 😢

[lone junco]

Channel import from armory might not be.

So long mastery. We haste tickers now.

[gleaming geyser]

BFA M+ has item sets locked to one per dungeon, correct?

no swippity swap

[tidal sedge]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/wyrmrest-accord/Ravish 😃

[thorn crater]

wh happened wit hmastery?

[wheat zealot]

You been living under a rock since pre patch?

[thorn crater]

i thought sth new

came up

lol

and i panicked ;P

[sick cradle]

Which trait is best for AoE?

For like running dungeons

SS or something like Fan of Blades?

[strange python]

Ss

Fan of blades is lackluster in comparison

[sacred seal]

Im currently on 13,5% haste, 23% crit, 344 ilvl and statweights according raidbots are agi>haste>mastery>crit ... is it correct?

[plain thistle]

if our lord and savior simc/raidbot is telling you, yes, it is correct 😃

[stuck shuttle]

Change your stat weights to max iterations

[plain thistle]

stats weight are different for every character, just because for almost everyone its haste>crit>mastery for single target, doesnt mean it will be for you

[stuck shuttle]

also check if youre using nightly or weekly

[sacred seal]

Ill try it, ty guys

[hollow stone]

Currently, my stat weights have crit and mastery being dead equal. Probably because your crit is high and mast low

[dense cedar]

I have 2 340 SS pieces but no 2nd dagger

qq

[thorn crater]

have 22 SS 3 rup 3 snek build 2 deadshot and 2 bits

no daggers

[hollow stone]

If people didnt link their 340 dagger drops in here i'd still be convinced that they dont actually exist 😩

[coral meteor]

they dont exist

its an illusion

[lapis grail]

for mythics Crimson tempest or posion bomb

?

[dense cedar]

Crimson tempest

[lapis grail]

for 3+ targets more fan knives > mutilate right?

not very good at cleave uet

yet

[dense cedar]

ye

[sick cradle]

isn't it 2+?

[dense cedar]

no

[steep badger]

3+

[dense cedar]

you rely on the crit at 3+

and 2+ you may aswell mut

[sick cradle]

ah, ok

[steep badger]

just make sure your poisons and a bleed are on each too

[dense cedar]

ye

at 2 targets

[lapis grail]

Lastly, do you worry about garrote + rupture or just Knives crimson?

[dense cedar]

you have really good dps

easy to keep your dots up

you wanna open from stealth with with garrotes

but only rupture targets tha'll live

[lapis grail]

okay cool

[dense cedar]

most packs have one big boi

[lapis grail]

thanks

[strange python]

someone has a cool weak aura to use ?

[dense cedar]

just rupture big boi and crimson the others

[lapis grail]

Anyone have a good bleed tracker wa?

[hollow stone]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[steep badger]

oo word infexious is live on twitch

still waiting for his sin vid -_-

[hoary copper]

Now if you can just understand him >.>

[steep badger]

lmao

[strange python]

you recommand which one of the weakauras

[plain thistle]

mizerok's or afenar is my recommendation

[hollow stone]

Afenars seems the most popular but i have no experience as i make my own

[next wolf]

Sovvs is my favourite

nice and clean

[timber fable]

do you use CT only 3+ targets?

[dense cedar]

iirc ye @timber fable

might be wrong tho

can't remember

[jovial kite]

@dense cedar

true to the name

[lost mason]

Is it possible to have self- pins or save comments on discord? or am i just gonna have to screenshot

[dense cedar]

ty

i usually just copy+paste or screenshot and throw them into a personal server

no personal pins

[strange python]

is assa getting buffed?

or will it stay shit

it's not shit, and we can't predict the future

is it really not?

right now dungeons favor burst dps which can make assassination feel bad.

oh no i dont care about dungeons

dungeons are boring as hell

i cant do dungeons

what are you basing your information off of then

Losing duels in orgrimmar

dungeons are the only thing we can do right now

and everyone laughing at me for using assa

alright, i'll just stop talking

telling me to use sub or outlaw

literally every person ive asked what i did wrong

has told me "ur using assa"

what is a basic pull rotation as sin rogue ?

read the guide at the top.

For me

Sap>Cheap Shot>Garrote>Mutilate>Rupture>Vendetta>Mutilate 2X>Death from above>Vanish

and reopen

I guess you don't have toxic blade.

oh yh i forgot toxic blade

Also he probably implied PvE content.

after rupture

Yes I mean on boss encounters

Just apply bleeds and spam mutilate & env lol?

with that attitude, no wonder you are performing poorly

I'm just saying what i would do

and i'm not really performing poorly

[dense cedar]

also if ya talkign about PvP probs wanna go to the pvp channel

[strange python]

Im just asking pull rotation on PvE bosses

@strange python the guide has the right opener. Experimentally, you can garrote twice from stealth if you have shrouded suffocation, and then do it again with vanish after the first garrote runs out.

and @strange python that's not a really pertinent answer

I honestly don't know anything about PvE but thats what i usually do

@strange python garrote stacks ?

[dense cedar]

Pull

Garrote
Mutilate till 4 combo points
Rupture
Vendetta
Vanish when talented into Master Assassin
Mutilate
Toxic Blade
Envenom
Mutilate till 4 combo points
Envenom
Mutilate till 4-5 combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote hits 5.4 seconds or less when talented into subterfuge

[strange python]

garrote itself does not stack per se. But the shrouded suffocation gives you extra combo points if you use garrote from stealth.

With subterfuge. You can do it twice and efficiently get CP and automatically get a fully pandemic empowered garrote.

hmm ok I see

I'll try

shrouded suffocation is an azerite trait

thanks a lot m8 😃

👍

i don't have any SS trait

so i still double garrote ?

nope.

Are the artifacts for class worth pursuing?

do the opener Vansolo listed above

if you want the transmog, @strange python, sure

Ah

[barren spindle]

are you guys going for Overwhelming Power or Heed My Call?

[strange python]

Tough call. Kinslayers or dreadblades

[plain thistle]

@barren spindle for what? single target, cleave , AoE? but those are minor traits, not sure if it worth "persuing" it

[stuck shuttle]

Heed my Call is simming better for me

[strange python]

Transmog

[plain thistle]

and they are pretty close, for single target at least. for more targets heed my call is a little better

[barren spindle]

roger roger ty

[stuck shuttle]

Heed my call synergizes with Toxic Blade too

[jovial kite]

heed my call isnt bound to ur haste varying in value

so its the safer bet

[barren spindle]

thanks guys! ❤

[tawdry pulsar]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[dense cedar]

apparently i need more mastery

[lofty sand]

I got 32% I'll give you some

[celest drift]

Hiho! Can someone tell me the differance between herodamage.com and bloodmallet.com on azerite trait? Bloodmallet put Sharpened Blades above all? (looking at you @elfin harbor :< )

[elfin harbor]

I don't see much difference, do you have any link ?

[celest drift]

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=azerite_traits&type=trait_stacking&tier=1&fight_style=patchwerk&lang=EN

i trust herodamage to be more acurate tho

[jovial kite]

when in doubt, just sim the traits on your own character 😉

[barren spindle]

i know simdps is silly atm, but @lofty sand whats yours? im at 23% mast at 12.7k sim curious if more mast would help for me, my weights have mast just behind crit/haste

[keen spruce]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hZjAEZksq8iquTUjgjRwyh

[strange python]

If your weights have mastery below crit and haste, that doesn't mean you want more mastery

[keen spruce]

was at 18% haste, but the ilvl upgrade was too big, got a slight bump swapping a ring

[dense cedar]

3% speed

[lofty sand]

I have no idea, I haven't simmed myself in a few days. I got a bunch of "upgrades" shit that had way higher ilvl but shit stats on it.

[keen spruce]

gotta go fast

[lofty sand]

lemme see

[barren spindle]

its 1.61 1.59 and 1.53 @strange python not that much of a diff

youre right tho

[lofty sand]

I'll let you know the results in a bit

[keen spruce]

I haven't danced with the 20% crit lower barrier, but basically all of the sims i've run just want me to stack mountains of haste

i'm running a 330 glove with haste and a socket over 345 gloves with no haste

with crit mastery

[pine aurora]

Hi, quick question, are there any breakpoints with haste currently or does it more or less scale indefinitely?

[keen spruce]

probably at some point

[lone junco]

haste goes all the way up for ST.

there is some crit balance

[strange python]

no caps

[keen spruce]

but there just isn't that many stats to go around so you probably can't hit it

[lone junco]

plots are shown on Bloodmallet

[strange python]

get it until weights tell you to stop (if ever)

Same as every other stat

[lone junco]

was like 40 haste 30 crit 20 10

with aoe like 70 haste 10 10 10

[pine aurora]

I did not know about that plot, tyvm

[lone junco]

plot is hectic add cleave. so just know that it is 5min weird figh

t

[lofty sand]

@barren spindle this is with the talents I'm running for dungeons and overworld content. As shit as you would expect, low haste and high mastery

[oblique python]

When we use our 2nd vanish in assa, shouldnt we garrotex2 to get max buffed dot duration ?
Since 6sec more garrote duration deals more than a mutilate and grants more CB

[lone junco]

depends on st or cleave

[oblique python]

even on ST

[lone junco]

in st you would only vanish at the pandemic end of the first SS

but within the vendetta

[oblique python]

yep but the second vendetta/vanish

you will apply a 18sec buffed garrote, and if you cast garrote again you get 6s more buffed garrote

[lone junco]

the midblock vanish could easily be a normal garrote then empowered.

[oblique python]

for me around 18k damage

[lone junco]

but you could vanish double garrote.

[oblique python]

better than a mutilate during the vanish duration

and more CB than a mutilate ofc

(talking with 3 garrote azerite trait)

[lone junco]

worst case possible is that you garrote then vanish within the 6 sec cd. so you dont get to re.garrote subterfuge

[oblique python]

yep

[lone junco]

either way else, vanish garrote garrote is probably fine enough.

[tropic hull]

less energy cost, overall same damage i think

same cp

[oblique python]

for me mutilate is 3k damage

6sec garrote is 18k damage

so 15k damage diff xD

[lone junco]

garrote wait 12sec vanish garrote mut env. is probably the same as mut env vanish garrote garrote.

[lilac coral]

first TF of the expansion was good to me

[lone junco]

will make a nice open for sure.

[oblique python]

yep, one of the issue though is that vanish is seriously delayed and so there is on a 20sec delay with vandetta

[lone junco]

vendetta vanish should stay close.

[keen spruce]

are you delaying your first vendetta cast to line up with vanish?

[oblique python]

no

you open with garrote garrote

[keen spruce]

G-G-R

[oblique python]

let if nearly fade

then vanish to garrote garrote again

[keen spruce]

Vendetta, toxic blade, mute , envenom

and you're only going to have 5 seconds left on vendetta

when you hit contagion on your opening garrote

[lone junco]

pandemic^

[keen spruce]

yeah that

[oblique python]

the result is that with that classic opener, you get less 'shrouded suffocation buffed' garrote uptime

[keen spruce]

you have 100% uptime though

[oblique python]

im talking about buffed uptime :p

[keen spruce]

right so when are you using vendetta?

[oblique python]

buffed by the azerite trait

not vendetta

[keen spruce]

you have a buffed one on the opener

and you get a buffed one with vanish

[oblique python]

yep but it's less

[keen spruce]

how many more could you get?

[oblique python]

than if you garrotte garotte

on the open stealth

[keen spruce]

i said garrote garrote

rupture

[oblique python]

then again garrotte garotte on vanish

[keen spruce]

yeah sure

that's not what i'm asking about though

i'm asking about vendetta timing

[lone junco]

sec

[oblique python]

oh ok

vendetta right after the envenom cast

for me

[keen spruce]

so if vendetta is active when i vanish garrote garrote

will the entire garrote be buffed to vendetta?

[oblique python]

use vendetta after

it's updated

[keen spruce]

even if vendetta wears out during the duration of the garrote bleed

[oblique python]

no more snapshotting

[tropic hull]

snapshot gone in wod

[oblique python]

if you have vendetta on the target, the tick will do more damage, dosnt matter if you casted garotte before or after vendetta

[keen spruce]

right so if you open with garrote garrote rupture vendetta toxic blade mutilate envenom. you will only have 5 seconds left on vendetta when your openiong garrote reaches pandemic

which is when you'd want to vanish garrote

so should you hold vendetta until you're getting closer to that pandemic window for the second garrote cycle?

[oblique python]

i dont think it matters

you still get a full shrouded suffocation buffed garrote during vendetta

[keen spruce]

that's not what yall just said though

[lone junco]

disregard the fok

[keen spruce]

if there's 5 seconds left on vendetta when I vanish garrote

it's only going to be a couple ticks of the azerite buffed garrote that also get buffed by vendetta

[oblique python]

@lone junco yeah that's what i was thinking of doing

@keen spruce you cant do better

from the start of your vendetta to the end

every tick of your garotte

is buffed by shrouded suffocation

[keen spruce]

oh right

because of the opening garrote

[oblique python]

yep

[keen spruce]

[lone junco]

yeah. and any reset of garrote early to catch vendetta is a waste.

18+18 over a 20sec buff. pick your poison.

[keen spruce]

my brain is still in snapshot mode

i get it now

thx fams

[lone junco]

15k garrote tick on cheap shot. nb

[tropic hull]

3 trait?

[lone junco]

3

[tropic hull]

i have 2 and max i see is 9k

ah

[keen spruce]

i'm sitting on 2 ss, 2 heed my call, 1 dagger, 1 overwhelming power

[lone junco]

EP + Subterfuge + Prey

[tropic hull]

is Shrouded Suffocation work with night elf racial invis?

[lone junco]

now that i know how to use SS without bugging. i bet I could finish a 5man 10-12k avg

[strange python]

shadowmeld does not put you in stealth

if so every rogue would be a night elf

[tropic hull]

but it's allowed you to use stealth action

[strange python]

you can cheese some mechanics with it

[keen spruce]

it doesn't proc subterfuge

but you can SM to drop aggro in some cases to restealth

not on bosses generally

[dense cedar]

doing that fishing

[hardy yarrow]

hi

does anyonee know a macro for sharpened blades stacks with weakaura?

i'd like to see faster when i have 30 stacks

[slow mortar]

Just make a WA to show at 25-26 stacks then glow at 29.

[slender peak]

If i get this correctly you are asking if you should hold vendetta till closer to the vanish garrote? That seems like a waste as it would delay getting your vendetta back later in the fight

Plus if you garrote garrote on opening you should get the full pandemic which will last the full 20s of vendetta

[lapis grail]

350 daggers vs 310 daggers is only a 4% increase.. why does that feel wrong to mee

on my sims

[calm barn]

secondary stats?

[lapis grail]

I put in 2 Crit/haste 350 daggers

[calm barn]

azerite traits?

[lapis grail]

2 shrouded 1 sharpen blades

[calm barn]

are you using weekly or nightly build?

[lapis grail]

not sure what that means

sorry fairly new

[calm barn]

when youre about to start the sim

you can see some options

[lapis grail]

wweekly

[calm barn]

try nightly

[lapis grail]

kk, im assuming the sim probs changed a lot from monday

[calm barn]

well SS was fixed fairly recently

[random skiff]

so is it better to opener Garrotex2 rup or garrote Mut Rup

[crimson basin]

hey, I just saw the opener Noobe linked earlier. in this opener you vanish 15s after vendetta. should I wait 15secs on the second vendetta to cast it with second vanish or both on cd?

[calm barn]

i would garrote x2 tbh

just to have a pandemic garrote at start

[grim mason]

so do you do 2x garrote on vanish too or only in the opener?

[dense cedar]

What mastery are y'all sitting at?

[royal lantern]

21%

[severe brook]

Does the shrouded azerite trait stack? Cause i had 2 on yesterday and was testing. I was still only getting 3 cp when and had 2 on. When i had 1 i was still getting 3. I was under the impression that if u have 2 and they stacknu should be getting 5 cp off an opener uncrit garrote?

[dense cedar]

I'm at 25% but apparently I need more

[royal lantern]

wath? waths your other stats?

[lapis grail]

35%

[dense cedar]

20% crit, 12% haste, 4% vers

got Gale and Spyglass

for trinkets

[lapis grail]

17% crit,13% haste, 35% mastery

[royal lantern]

you should still get some haste cus those trinkets are probably soon gone with uldir

[lapis grail]

gale darkmoon

[royal lantern]

+im not a fan of gale, most of the time you dont get 100% use out of it cus you need too move

[dense cedar]

Is Masterful Tidal amulet the right gem?

nvm

it is

Amethyst*

do i really need more

pls stop taunting me like this

@royal lantern i think i'm being fucked with

[grim mason]

where can i find a list of commands?

[royal lantern]

its probably because you use the gale trinket

haste doest lose value over time,but at higher ratings, not at 12%

[dense cedar]

I'm just gonna Haste Mastery Enchant i think

Only got 1 good dagger rn anyways

[faint crypt]

Does the shrouded azerite trait stack? Cause i had 2 on yesterday and was testing. I was still only getting 3 cp when and had 2 on. When i had 1 i was still getting 3. I was under the impression that if u have 2 and they stacknu should be getting 5 cp off an opener uncrit garrote?

[dense cedar]

only the damage stacks from azerite traits @faint crypt

[prisma pond]

the damager does, the CP doies not

damage* does**

[faint crypt]

ahk is it worth it running 2 then or run 1 and get 1 of each of the other top traits

[young narwhal]

sharpened blades good now?

[prisma pond]

I like running 3 SS

100k+ garrotes from stealth feels great

with vend*

[keen spruce]

It's official, 3 weeks of mythics with 2+ rogues in all of my dungeons groups set to assa loot. and I've still got a 325/310 dagger

I have yet to see an agi dagger drop in mythic

Gonna clear heroic uldir with a fucking 310 offhand

[faint crypt]

i got the heart peircer the other day only person i kno of seen with a mythic dagger lol

[keen spruce]

[lusty schooner]

Tfw 2x 340 one hand weapons for outlaw but still 325 daggers :(

[keen spruce]

yeah nice emissary monday

thanks blizz

I'm gonna go pro in pet battle before I play outlaw

but that fist wep will look great in my bank

[dense cedar]

playing outlaw got me my dagger

gotta roll the bones for the dagger

[strange python]

@faint crypt the damage stacks but not cp

oh

[keen spruce]

I'm gonna roll my nuts on Ian's forehead

[strange python]

I was scrolled up

[keen spruce]

[prisma pond]

[keen spruce]

Ion*

[dense cedar]

Been playing outlaw in mythic with my azerite traits still set on assassination

[prisma pond]

got lucky, have 3 pieces with SS and 3 pieces with the pistol shot trait

so I swap between em

[dense cedar]

wait

3 with pistol?

[prisma pond]

yeh

[dense cedar]

where'd u get shoulders?

[prisma pond]

lemme check

[keen spruce]

i've got 2 ss and 2 pistol

so i guess if i get desperate

I got Gravethorn shoulderguards from an emissary

[dense cedar]

ah

emmisary

[keen spruce]

SS, heed

[dense cedar]

kk

[keen spruce]

and deadshot

[dense cedar]

i just need the underrot chest

then i have 3 SS 3 Heed gear

[prisma pond]

those shoulders, maybe a random WQ set?

[lusty schooner]

That ULTRAwide monitor tho

[prisma pond]

3440x1440 hard finding animu wallpapers though

I mean

not that I watch anime

like some weeb

[lusty schooner]

Why even get an ultrawide then

[prisma pond]

after thinking about it, the only reason I even bought this thing was it was shiny and at Frys on sale

plus I wanted a curved display, regardless of how useless and meme it was

im really bad with money

[sharp wren]

So, do DoTs work real time, like for example. If i have a trinket pop and it gives me haste. Will my dots scale with the trinket proc instantly? Or would i have to reapply them

[molten jungle]

they are updated

i don't believe snapshotting is a thing aside from some rogue specific procs like damage out of stealth etc

[shell tusk]

Howdy, new to this discord. I have seen a heap of people stacking different Azerite Traits and simcraft shows stacking 3 Double Doses, wowhead has 2 SS and 1 Sharpened Blades. Anyone able to give the me heads up on what to choose?

[dense cedar]

3 SS

be cool

[shell tusk]

would you pick 3 SS if you were dropping from 340 to 325 ilvl gears?

[dense cedar]

probably not but u could sim it

agi is important tho

so probs not

[daring imp]

god dammit 3x SS is so god damn good

no seriously wtf was i doing by not using them stacked like this before

[dense cedar]

before it would've done nothing @daring imp

:P

[daring imp]

but i had all the pieces since like a week ago

[hollow rose]

Is there a haste breakpoint for sin?

[dense cedar]

no

[hollow rose]

Is it still 28%?

[dense cedar]

keep getting haste till the sim tells you to stop

at 28% u probs have enough

[winter niche]

Was haste a bad stat for rogues in legion? I remember reading that somewhere.

[dense cedar]

it didn't really do anything

[hollow rose]

Until 7.3.5

[dense cedar]

we didn't rely on auto attacks and energy regen was never reliant on it

[winter niche]

Oh it was probably an old vid then

[dense cedar]

but now

bleeds

[winter niche]

Increases the tick speed right?

[faint crypt]

whats the reason behind doing 2 garrotes with subterfuge does the dmg add on extend it or what

[crimson basin]

First garrote is 18 secs, second one is 6 more secs

[faint crypt]

so it just makes garrote go long?

[winter niche]

🏈

[crimson basin]

Yeah

Empowered garrote

[winter niche]

Does it extend by 6 seconds or refresh to 18+6

[crimson basin]

Extend

[strange python]

On AoE with Shrouded Suffocation and Subterfuge, how are you supposed to open? Do you garrote to multiple targets? There would be CP waste if you do more than one target but it seems like the subterfuge garrote might be worth it.

[dense cedar]

u spread as many garrotes as u can fit

3/4

[winter niche]

So if i have 4/5 cp i shouldnt mutilate right

[strange python]

@dense cedar , do you Crimson Tempest when you get to 5 CP or straight garrote as many targets as possible ignoring CP loss

[dense cedar]

you don't have enough gcds to CT

wanna fit as many garrotes in the sub window

[strange python]

and then after that just keep garrote/rupture/CT on the target and use toxic blade on CD?

targets*

[lone junco]

@strange python 3 garrotes on open. 4th would break the SS due to bug.

[dense cedar]

ye

[crimson basin]

in the opener you vanish 15s after vendetta. should I wait 15secs on the second vendetta to use it with second vanish or both on cd?

[strange python]

@lone junco what do you mean break it? Like it won't work anymore?

[dense cedar]

it'll go on cd

[strange python]

oh alright

[dense cedar]

garrote sure fucking damages rn

[lone junco]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[lone junco]

No. It's bugged.

Do not cast the 4th. On any target. Until 1,2,3 drop completely.

[dense cedar]

oh that thing

[lone junco]

You can vanish reset in pandemic if applicable.

[dense cedar]

i forgot about that

wtf is this trait

[lone junco]

I saw it last night in 5s. Fat pulls at 3t. But 4+ just fell out.

Seemed odd at 8T to be like 20k. But 20k at 3t

[dense cedar]

why is there always some stupid thing wrong with assassination

[lone junco]

I hope that 1ss. 2rupture Really smokes.

For now I have 2ss. 1rupture. Its good. But I rage if i don't get restealth.

[crimson basin]

guide say to vendetta on cd but second vendetta comes 15s before second vanish, it is not worth waiting to use both at same time?

[lone junco]

I would delay for that overlap.

But let's check apl!

(Answer is to align them. ESP with ss.

[crimson basin]

alright thanks!

[lone junco]

30s split seems wrong

thats probably not best.

[crimson basin]

the opener you mean?

[lone junco]

got some feely craft coming your way

[crimson basin]

🤢

[lone junco]

how do you think apls get written?

[random skiff]

16 sec split doesnt sound wrong but the 30 idk

[crimson basin]

so I can write apls to try different fights too?

I mean use it

[dense cedar]

just hit a dummy

16 seconds from vendetta

that's with double Garrote

[random skiff]

what ?

[dense cedar]

16 between vendetta to vanish

[random skiff]

on opener you already have an empowered garrote you dont need to vanish right away

[dense cedar]

don't know how the 30 seconds happens

[random skiff]

yeah

[crimson basin]

the first screen sent is the optimal rotation calculated?

[lone junco]

yeah. opener looks good

[random skiff]

I think the sim is set to only pandemic garrote, so into the fight the timer on vanish garrote might no t line up with vend

[lone junco]

problem is at the 2min mark.

the apl has vanish at a garrote pandemic, and that delayed it a bit.

so next vanish should have been 2:20.

as long as the vendetta - vanish garrote garrote tb env mut mut env mut mut env.

i guess this is starting to push vendetta off the end at 420 instead of 4.0

[crimson basin]

garrote garrote tb?

[lone junco]

stacking the vendetta and tb env rounds.

it will probably fit in the rotation anyway.

a 20 sec push on vendetta to align with vanish at 220 and 420 would be sync at 620

but fights dont last that long.

we dont have 45 sec vendetta anymore. so stacking it with other cds is gonna be important.

[dense cedar]

qq

[lone junco]

but thats just my feely craft. and highly depends on having SS.

[dense cedar]

i miss legion vendetta

[lone junco]

Rip 45sec exsang/vendetta alignment.

[dense cedar]

it was almost a passive

[crimson basin]

rip leg boots

[lone junco]

it was so smooth.

peaks for days.

im not mad that the sim is a bit low tbh. I think if we have 3ss for ST and you do align proper at the 2nd vanish, you will do well

hooray

A 1min cd use trinket would align well there too.

[crimson basin]

first mate's spyglass is perfect for this

if you align vendetta/vanish

[dense cedar]

i have 335 First Mate's Spyglass uwu

[crimson basin]

340 😛

[dense cedar]

[crimson basin]

still have a 310 dagger tho

[dense cedar]

298 dagger

[crimson basin]

lmao really

[dense cedar]

yupp

[crimson basin]

craft one

[dense cedar]

only 1 dagger so far from all post 120 content

no

disgusting

i won't touch a filthy crafted dagger

[lone junco]

That subterfuge is 18 to 23 sec. so trinket anywhere in the 20 sec vendetta overlap.

[calm barn]

I race changed to dark iron dwarf for the looks

[lone junco]

When simming that trinket you will probably see it on cd. With a desync at vanish

[dense cedar]

no u didn't @calm barn

no one would

[calm barn]

stayed for the vendetta+racial+trinket+vanish align

[lone junco]

0:02. 1:02. 2:20. 3:20 4:20.

[crimson basin]

can I see what apl is doing when I sim?

[lone junco]

Bot horroble.

[dense cedar]

420

[calm barn]

she's a sexy girl

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/dun-modr/Jonbovi

[dense cedar]

tbh

[lone junco]

Yeah. Go to the HTML link. And scroll down to action list. Then click sample sequence

[calm barn]

booty for days

[dense cedar]

i think the most unique combo of the original races is still Female Dwarf Rogue

[lone junco]

My undead does backflips on finisher.

[dense cedar]

oh

i have a really good mutilate macro

1 sec

#showtooltip Mutilate
/cast Mutilate
/use Autographed Hearthstone Card

[lone junco]

I should probably go back warmode with my 3x SS and fuck people's day.

[calm barn]

my dwarf does a tornado finisher move

[lone junco]

Cheapshot. 2x Garrote. Rupture mut mut Into kidney.

[calm barn]

better 2x garrote then cheap shot

[lone junco]

You get all 3

[crimson basin]

you can do both

[dense cedar]

rupture animation is still good tbh

[lone junco]

Cheap shot. Garrote garrote.

Cs pops prey.

[calm barn]

yeah but you first garrotex2

then cheap shot

you dont waste stun time garroting

and with some luck

[dense cedar]

I think the best animation for rogue (not counting RTB) is Shadowstrike

[calm barn]

they will remove the first silence with insignia

[lone junco]

Can you trinket silence?

[calm barn]

yes

its a form of crowd control

[lone junco]

I normally sap on the way in for auto trinket.

But yeah.

[dense cedar]

lmao

the auto trinket from sap

oh

fun activity

[lone junco]

Prey x 2 on the double SS

[dense cedar]

sitting next to a summoning stone

and jsut sapping

that's it

fun times

[calm barn]

thats why you first garrote x2 and then cheap shot

they take full garrote damage + cheap shot stun + full prey

the other way you lose stun and prey time garroteing

[dense cedar]

is there anyone who doesn't run Prey on the Weak?

im kinda sick of galecaller

[lone junco]

I ran the kidney bleed before SS.

4p20 at the end of prepatch was absurd.

So kidney bleed and rupture then exang all 3

[west frost]

I'm sad a missed it

Big exsang fan

[lone junco]

Seli ran that +30 in 4p2p subterfuge.

Garrotes for days.

[dense cedar]

wtf was the name of the mastery super scaling poison that got removed?

[calm barn]

agonizing?

[terse hinge]

Agon--

Yes

Lol

[dense cedar]

fuck that was a time

[terse hinge]

Dude

Those were the days

Lol

[lone junco]

nah

[dense cedar]

"hey what's your mastery do?" "uhhhhh damage?"

[terse hinge]

LMAO.

[lone junco]

T21 was pretty much best

esp with the mutcrit relic bump

[dense cedar]

I enjoyed the agon playstyle tbh

[lone junco]

75% mut crit was super nice

[dense cedar]

envenoms felt super good

[terse hinge]

Yee

[lone junco]

I was fighting with outlaw at that time.

[dense cedar]

was a bit braindead tho

[lone junco]

was Tb/3

ugh

[terse hinge]

That's what my build was all about in legion and beforehand

Was getting those 13mil crit envenoms

Lmao

Mantle and all that made pvp a one shot

[dense cedar]

I wanna download an addon that just adds extra zeroes to the end of my damage numbers

jsut so i can relive those days

[terse hinge]

LOL

DUDE IF THERE IS ONE OUT THERE I WANT ONE

SO MUCH MORE SATISFYING

[calm barn]

turtle wq feels nice now

[stuck shuttle]

what potion are we supposed to use for pre pot?

[crimson basin]

[strange python]

Battle pot of agility

[calm barn]

shiet

WQ ring forged but with the worst stats

smh

[quartz nest]

hey y'all. just wondering, does anyone know if anyone has made an assassination guide for Uldir?

i've heard tidbits that there's lots of aoe encounters, which would mean that outlaw would make the most sense for the raid, but.... yuck.

[random skiff]

would it be worth it to switch to Nelf for meld subter garrote combo ?

thats like 2 vanishes

[dense cedar]

lmao

[coral meteor]

I got these in like the 2nd day of being 120 @ancient notch , 60ilvl upgrade but the stats 😦

I've never felt so disappointed yet so greedy and selfish

I have 355s now but I still keep them to remind myself the cycle of life is cruel

[ancient notch]

Jonbovi you stole my name bro

What is this blasphemy

[dense cedar]

@random skiff Shadowmeld doesn't work like that

[ancient notch]

I am the real Jon Bovi

[coral meteor]

Oh shit..

[calm barn]

I disagree

[random skiff]

I found out it doesn't but i was just asking because the buff says it counts as stealth

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=58984/shadowmeld

[slender peak]

3..2..1 fight to the death!! Last one stabbing gets the name

[calm barn]

then I'll not stab until the very end

[dense cedar]

Why tf does blizz keep banning me from using the Survivor's Bag in every new zone

Lemme have fun, you cowards