assassination

[warm parcel]

They cant

At all

[solid nova]

^

[zealous dew]

wtf

[grizzled harness]

The haste/bleed synergy is not dynamic is it? It's just on apply?

(being a Troll)

(the actual race. Troll.)

(it's a real question)

[junior dome]

where should i look for, for trinket sims and numbers?

Ya boi wants to know how the trinkets are ranked

[grizzled harness]

Bloodmallet I think

[vestal wren]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

BfA Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[warm parcel]

Haste is dynamic

[valid junco]

what that means ? for example ?

so it doesnt buff the dots that are already applied ?

[warm parcel]

Dynamic means dot changes when stats changes

Dynamically

[valid junco]

but heroism / lust or galecaller trinkets haste , does they buff the dots that are already applied or do we need to apply after the haste procs to get faster bleeds

ive been trying to test this but cant seem to get my head over it 😄

[grizzled harness]

Noice, thanks!

Means you don't need to reapply

[valid junco]

oh noice ! thanks bro

[warm plaza]

any tips for a new sin player?

[grizzled harness]

Get a good Weakaura to track bleeds

Other than that, It's pretty much "everything on CD" now as I understood it sadly

[lofty linden]

hello someone can send me weak aura for "Rupture" please, since maj he's borken T_T

[molten pike]

It feels mostly like hurry up and wit

wait*

[mossy flicker]

I wanted to know, double haste enchant on daggers or follow icy veins tips and take crit/haste enchant ?

[solid nova]

Weapon Enchants: Use your first and second highest weighted stats for weapon enchantments. You have diminished returns if you double up on one, so only do this if that one stat is much better than the rest.

As pinned

[lone junco]

@grizzled harness all hastes are dynamic. as buffs come and go.

except exsang cause its weird

[grizzled harness]

Alright so I should stop using Racial pre-Rupture

Thanks that helped

[rain breach]

With 14%haste i have no energy problems singletarget

[halcyon jolt]

Dragotix, any tip for energy maintaining?

I'm 340 with 21% crit, 15% haste

28% mastery

I normally start with 2 mutilates, garrote, bleed (5 combo points), then Vendetta, mutilate, mutilate, Toxic blade, envenom

[hazy iron]

I believe you should be going (from stealth) Garrote > Mutilate > Rupture > Vendetta > mutilate > Toxic Blade > envenom

you're likely starved because you;re opening with 2 mutilates

[rain breach]

Da

[wicked plover]

yo guys..this emble of zandalar world quest trinket...is it good or bad? while by what hero dmg or bloodmallet says it's not that good

[grizzled harness]

(i think i mainly join to use that reaction-smiley)

Do you guys know what makes the weapon on the ManorWQ (EU Horde) go from 325+Heroic to 340+Mythic? Is it solely ilvl?

Or is it class-based too? DK and War friends at 333+ ilvl see it 340 as I (332ilvl) still see it as an Heroic reward

[late goblet]

It's based on item level (not entirely sure where it switches)

[grizzled harness]

Alright, seems I'm 1ilvl short then..

Thanks

[halcyon jolt]

I see, thanks

I normally use 2 mutilates cause I'm looking to always have 5 combo points

that isn't good, no?

[hazy iron]

it's not too relevant for rupture due to CP only extending the period of the rupture

[grizzled harness]

I think having one SS azurite trait is kinda mandatory isn't it

[hazy iron]

not really, you can drop a 3cp rupture

assuming your mutilate doesn't crit

best case scenario is it crits and you drop a 4 - 5 cp rupture anyways

[candid phoenix]

opener for sin is

[hazy iron]

in the pins

[candid phoenix]

Garrote - muti - Rupture - vendetta - toxic blade - muti - 2nd Muti if at 3cp or envenom if at 4 cp

then follow normal rotation

depending on the fight and the burst required u can also vanish to apply garrote again if u are running subterfuge

[hazy iron]

you want to toxic blade before an envenom, so building up to an envenom after TB is potentially wasting TB uptime

[candid phoenix]

90% of the time BL will be present during the opener

[agile bane]

isnt garrote, muti, garrote better?

[candid phoenix]

so u can anyway get 3 envenoms in TB

[hazy iron]

fair enough

[candid phoenix]

if BL isnt present and u aint a troll

u are right

[hazy iron]

Zorlak, no, because you;re wasting an empowered garrote, asusming you;re running subterfuge

[agile bane]

you get another empowered garrote

[candid phoenix]

right now subterfuge is simming slightly higher than Nightstalker

[agile bane]

last gcd before sub ends

[hazy iron]

any garrote out of subterfuge will be empowered for the duration of the garrote

[candid phoenix]

i ve tried that zorlak, i ended up doing less dps in the opener

i just vanish garrote 2 secs b4 garrote falls off

right now with bl on pull i reach 25k dps till vendetta is down

then slowly decend to 12-13k

[midnight ledge]

U w8 on procs to refresh garrote and rupture usualy?

[candid phoenix]

if RNG helps yes

but u cant let the bleed fall off to w8 for procs

both bleeds MUST be reapplied b4 they fall off

so u dont waste a single energy point

[midnight ledge]

Ofc 12k/13k dps with how much ilvl?

[candid phoenix]

341 atm

[lofty linden]

someone have weak aura for rupture please ? mine is broked since BFA out

[candid phoenix]

just to track the remaining time?

[lofty linden]

yup ty fresh

[grizzled harness]

I could too use a WA for garrote/rupture tracker for multitarget if you've got something :d

[candid phoenix]

what u mean multitarget tho

i just have standard garrote/rupture WAs

when i Tab from mob to mob i see the respective timer on each mob

if u want to track bleeds on targets other than ur current one, i dont have that :/

[flat laurel]

What dps pots are the best? Agility pot or Bursting Blood

[vestal wren]

probably best to throw a sim at it

[flat laurel]

How?

[vestal wren]

if you talk about raidbots, you can change it there:

for apl, just replace this

[candid phoenix]

pot of agility is better

[versed finch]

@krinkle I use a nameplate debuff addons and it shows everything I have bleeds on

When they get too clustered sometimes its hard to see if u missed one, but can check debuffs on the current target portrait to make sure

[grave pagoda]

hey guys, do anyone know where i can find what traits stacks and what dosent?

[grizzled harness]

Yeah I've got a WA for my current target and nameplates to track the others. But you gotta have your targets in sight to keep track. So I figured I'll ask if there's something that puts like a static portrait w/ debuffs on

I need that stacking azerite thingy too.

And something that reference which stats are dynamic and wich aren't for bleeds. Like is Crit also dynamic? Is Mastery?

[placid dawn]

guys, the simc ability thing has this "Berserking" when vendetta is up, wtf is that?

[grizzled harness]

I feel like the more dynamic stats are, the more static is the rotation and you never have to adapt anymore :(

[placid dawn]

ah, its a racial ability 😐

[vagrant scaffold]

I have an alt rogue who I plan to level in the future, I main assassination. Is there any AOE build that sims on par with Outlaw for M+? Thanks!

[sterile nacelle]

Na, you arent gonna sim the same as outlaw AOE atm

[strange python]

Difficult to answer per se because it's not possible to simulate every m+ scenario. But sin does have aoe builds.

[vagrant scaffold]

Indeed it's not, I know it has AOE builds just was curious if any of them competed with Outlaw. Though I appreciate the answers.

[royal lantern]

i think that sin will never do the same aoe as outlaw, outlaw has a bigger aoe focus

[strange python]

I'd say outlaw damn near has the best aoe in the game though.

[royal lantern]

except they dump outlaw again

[strange python]

Sin may have its place in higher m+. When outlaw is going to struggle to keep up blade flurry charges.

[royal lantern]

sin has good sustained aoe, yeha thats right

[strange python]

But right now dungeons heavily favor burst dps so sin is left falling behind

[zenith oak]

🤔

[strange python]

is that wrong? Shit dies too fast for sin atm.

both bosses and trash.

[zenith oak]

my thinking face was to tryan's comment 😄

[strange python]

On bosses I feel awesome but trash is a weak point

I'm getting so frustrated though

I have that boon that drops the haste runr

And whenever I drop it the tank pulls the boss across the room away from me

[ripe dock]

outlaw has great cleave atm but subs burst seems to shine more in mythics atm for aoe and bosses purely because of fight length

[royal lantern]

i should get some sleep, im talking shit again

[strange python]

Yeah don't wanna do that friend

[zenith oak]

lol

[cerulean walrus]

Honestly I hate Galecaller's Boon, Tank rips the boss right out of it every time... just like Poison Bomb RIP

I just ended up dropping it because I knew that a consistent buff from another trink was going to work better than nothing at all

[zenith oak]

yea, particularly DH's lol

[late goblet]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Do my azerite traits stack?
The damage part of azerite Stacks.
Other components can be assumed to stack however with some exceptions and limitations.
You can check https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/azeritestacks/1t-t22-assassination for estimations.

[cerulean walrus]

DKs too! Gorefiend's just rips em out lmao

[zenith oak]

ya

I swapped to Crimson tempest and have been pretty happywith that change

[cerulean walrus]

Is tempest doing better in dungeons that Bomb?

[zenith oak]

i can see swapping back to PB later tho

[cerulean walrus]

than*

[zenith oak]

I have found success with it, but results may vary

[cerulean walrus]

Hm

I guess it just lacks oomph on boss fights then

[zenith oak]

its definitely worse single target

[elfin mantle]

i attempted crimson rupture garotte and internal bleeding with exsang in pvp

dots didnt last long enough

[cerulean walrus]

I would use Exsang but I always fuck up and reapply my bleeds before they run out with it

[elfin mantle]

its a reflex

[cerulean walrus]

I suppose so

I'm wondering if those engineering plague bombs work with Toxic Blade

Cause it deals "poison damage" which should count as nature damage no?

[elfin mantle]

u gotta try it out

tag me when u find out

[cerulean walrus]

Is there any way to sim that?

[halcyon jolt]

I have a doubt about this 2 rings

this has 15 more ITL points but my haste is reduced to 11 from 16%

this is the one I have equipped

this is the drop from today

[thorn crater]

what is in the other slot XD

[halcyon jolt]

same stats as the first ring

[past harbor]

Hey guys, i have a question, on how many targets is better to spam crimson tempest over applying rupture?

[thorn crater]

u do both

[candid phoenix]

the 340 ring is so much better

but u can sim it if u wanna be sure

[halcyon jolt]

Thats What I thought

[lofty sand]

Haste > Everything

sadly

[halcyon jolt]

My haste id reduced from 16 to 11

If I do the swap

[lofty sand]

you dont even need to sim it most of the time

[zenith oak]

i could see one being better for aoe and one being better for st

[royal lantern]

rings dont give mainstat, wich means ilvl is not that important

[halcyon jolt]

I see

Luck with the ring but not with the stats hahaha

Thanks for the help

[cerulean walrus]

@elfin mantle So I wasn't able to find anything online as to whether the Thermo-Accelerated Plague Spreader is affected by Toxic Blade. So I guess I'll have to test it myself when I get home later today

[elfin mantle]

😮

[strange python]

spells affected by tb

[open basin]

does anyone know if twist the knife stacks?

[wise frigate]

Only

Power I know that doesn't stack is Shrouded and that's cause it's bugged.

The damage portion or proc power of all the other powers should stack.

[open basin]

thats op

[strange python]

Will sin be as viable in raids/m+ as sub?

[zenith oak]

most sim stuff says sin will be top dps single target at the end of the first tier

i am sorry

thats sub 😄

reading/memory is hard

[silk sundial]

Sin gets better with Stat scaling so it may not be top tier now, but it'll get there

[strange python]

And for pushing keys, Should I just stick with sub? Or could sin be as good? Don’t really like sub but will play it if it’s better

[silk sundial]

I'd say for high keys they should perform similarly since things won't die as fast. Sub will have a slight edge as they have better priority dmg in aoe. That'll be important with infested

[lone junco]

@halcyon jolt use top gear sim and select all the rings in your bags. Seriously you don't need to ask which is better. You can ask which fight sim to use. Or time length. But that's what we do here. Even stat weights are garbage with smart sim. Just do the thing.

You'll see different solutions between st and cleave. But that is how dps works.

[elfin raft]

for overall 5 man mythics, what are you guys liking PB or CT?

[thorn crater]

we talking normal M?

i use the fok talent

mobs die 2 fast

[elfin raft]

ya normal

[zenith oak]

I been liking CT, havent tried the FoK talent honestly. I suspect PB will get better with higher mythic +

[elfin raft]

ah yeah the fok, havent tried it yet

[lone junco]

Ep and FOK work well together.

[thorn crater]

actually scratch that i use the talent spec, outlaw, BF, RTB, BR

😛

[lone junco]

^

[zenith oak]

lol

[thorn crater]

fok works rly well

with the rupture traits

[lone junco]

3x garrote env FOK rupture.

[thorn crater]

x1 shrouded x2 rup

poggers agi gain

still harder than outlul though

[lone junco]

Our prophet and sin m+ god has forsaken us and gone sub.

Rip.

[thorn crater]

esp now with SNAKE EYE BUILD MEMEPOGCHAMP

@lone junco who is that?

[lone junco]

Seli.

[thorn crater]

was about time

he'll be back though

[lone junco]

Only rogue to do a +31? Legion.

[thorn crater]

shadowstrike has to get nerfed

[lone junco]

Maybe 30

I need some daggers and I'm set for uldir.

No way in hell am I progressing st bosses as outlaw.

Hold the pull counter. I got ☠️

[zenith oak]

all my gear is 325+ except my waepons which are 298 and 294. i am about to give up

[lone junco]

My outlaw weps are 340 pair. First 2 m0

[lofty sand]

How many bosses even need Outlaw's burst aoe anyways?

[lone junco]

There are a few with adds.

[elfin raft]

well ill def try that FoK

thx

[lone junco]

But per usual. Some other classses may be better at ads (dh, moonkin, mage)

[lofty sand]

but outlaw will only really shine if the boss tosses an army critters on you, right? Because assassination is also better on cleave and sustained aoe

[elfin raft]

yeah of course

[lone junco]

We'll see how proc goes.

Outlaw sustain is into the 3rd blade flurry.

That's like 30-45 sec. so it's fine.

[lofty sand]

🤔

[elfin raft]

yeah the aoe is hard heh, last time i played was wotlk, it was literally just spam FoK and there was only 1 good spec

so much to read >_< especially since I didn't even level my own character

[lone junco]

There are very few fights with council bosses like coven.

[thorn crater]

honestly imma try both specs and see how they perform. i would like to dodge sub since ive never used it before but i might have to

dunno i feel like i cant play that

[lone junco]

I play sin for st. Outlaw for m+. Raid fights depend on need

Sin was in a great spot end of legion. Huge st and shoulder bombs were not bad

[slender peak]

What DPS are you guys pulling in pure single target? I dont feel like im pulling as much as I could and cant tell if its cause im running CT or if its cause I have the weapon curse. 333 avg ilvl and km still rocking 301 and 298 daggers

[thorn crater]

its the weapons

its always the weapons

if u sim u will see about double weapon value compared to agility gain

if not more

[zenith oak]

i am doing like 7-8k ST with under 300 weapons

[thorn crater]

but u wont be able to push higher

[slender peak]

Yea thats what im getting. /shakes angry fist

Ive got one mythic left for the week to try and get a dagger then its heroics all weekend

[thorn crater]

didnt u get emissary dagger 3 days ago?

[slender peak]

Only dagger ive seen drop was BIS tol dagor and it titanforged 350 and went to another rogue in the group 😦

No that was EU only

[zenith oak]

ya, EU got the weapon

[thorn crater]

NEVER group with a rogue for dungeons

the salt is too real

srsly though dont

[slender peak]

Lol i didnt invite him my guildie did.... NEVER again

[civic palm]

Quit getting pissed at the luck of others O _O

[thorn crater]

TI8 POGCHAMP @civic palm

tell me ure not a liquid fan

[civic palm]

Why wouldn't I be? >_>

[elfin raft]

what do you guys do to garrote multiple targets? macro? or do you just tab tab tab

[zenith oak]

i just tab

[spring lantern]

I click plates

[zenith oak]

ya, that too

[elfin raft]

yah ok just making sure there wasnt some sick way that i missed

thx lol

[zenith oak]

is SS worth using even though it doesnt do the damage? for the combo points i mean. strictly for 5mans

[lone junco]

I would pick something that does damage for now.

[slender peak]

I tab stab tab stab tab stab.

[abstract crescent]

Sin so bad atm its sad :/

[thorn crater]

thats wildly exaggerated

[slender peak]

Its not bad. Just cause it isnt the top rogue spec doesnt make it bad

[zenith oak]

ya its fine. rogue in general is in the upper half of dps spec's atm. at least i think so

[thorn crater]

i think people are comparing to the 15-20% buff that ferals got all around

cause there wasnt bad talk before yday

[zenith oak]

i think sin is in a good spot. it scales well so it will be fine given a little time. if they buff it now they'll have to nerf it later. so i'd prefer the current method

[slender peak]

I havent seen a feral druid this whole expansion so far so there was prolly a reason

[thorn crater]

the buff came in yday

😛

sodapoppin kept complaining

so blizz buffed their poster child

[civic palm]

What?

[thorn crater]

the feral streamer

sodapoppin

he got a msg before even buffs were live

that he showed on stream

that they are rebalancing feral dmg

and now its live

[civic palm]

Everyone knew that Feral was getting buffs O _O

What does Soda have to do with this?

He's not even a good Feral.

[thorn crater]

hes a moaning streamer

[civic palm]

Also, #off-topic as fuck, get that mess out of here.

[thorn crater]

about dmg of ferals in M+

ok

delete everything

done 😛

[civic palm]

Stop. Done.

[lofty junco]

SS still bugged i guess?

[civic palm]

I believe so, pins will be updated when they are fixed.

[lofty junco]

had just thinked cause no one make a pin about bugged SS, but they did a pina bout bugged dagger in the back

[night cypress]

dagger got pinned when it was understood, i guess

we don't know why tf ss doesn't work

[lofty junco]

but we know WHAT not working on it, so we could pin it, that people stop asking questiona bout SS as a top trait^^

[lone junco]

Nothing I say about sin has anything to do with feral.

But ok.

[tough topaz]

The SS dmg is what's bugged?

[quick egret]

Where do you guys think 'Sin is in respect to the other two specs? And do you think the bugged SS will make up for the difference?

[lofty junco]

yeah

SS dmg is bugged that ya get 0 additional dmg and the CP is bugged that with 1 or 3 SS traits ya got only 2 CP

[royal lantern]

im sure you are supposed too only 3 combo points

cus only the dmg of traits stacks, not the utility stuff

[lofty junco]

yeah sry i had meaned 2 additional cp

we don't know until the trait is fixxed

[fleet whale]

sharpened blades is obviously the GOAT trait

[lofty junco]

goat?

[fleet whale]

greatest of all time

[night cypress]

greatest of all time

[lofty junco]

i don't think so^^

[fleet whale]

It was a joke

[lofty junco]

then i will forgive ya^^

[royal lantern]

sharpend blade 3x for that 999999999999k dmg insta kill nuke inc

[fleet whale]

poison knife be hitting harder than chaos bolts

[lofty junco]

would just like a trait like the shadowstrike trait from sub

[tough topaz]

so ss is useless atm

[fleet whale]

shame too I thought it made the opener a lot more smooth

[tough topaz]

yeah

[night cypress]

2 extra cp aint useless but uhhhh yeah probably not up to snuff

[strange python]

will 3x Double Dose with talent Venom Rush be any good??

for sustain st dmg?

[fleet whale]

venom rush is kind of trash

[night cypress]

yep, they killed it

[lofty junco]

so what ya guys taked for main traits, cause SS is useless atm

[quick egret]

Does anyone have the list that someone posted about which dungeons to switch to Outlaw Spec for the weapon drops?

I thought it was pinned, but it isnt

[lone junco]

Use your dungeon journal before a boss. If dagger sin. Else outlaw.

[strange python]

👌

[lofty sand]

why would you be swapping specs like that though? sounds like a lot of trouble for just mythic 0

[strange python]

when i join groups as assa they always ask why i dont go sub 😦

[lofty sand]

lmao

[royal lantern]

i never had that

like wtf

[lone junco]

Why would you swap loot spec for m0? Because if the boss has a dagger. But no mace/axe/sword/fist. And you say sin. You won't magically get a weapon.

If that is too much work? Then this game is clearly too hard for you.

It's loot spec. Not actual spec.

[rain breach]

Does sub does so much more dmg than assa in dungeon?

[royal lantern]

shit die's in seconds

sub has burst aoe

sin sustained aoe

=sub is better for m0

[vestal wren]

sub and outlaw is better atm in m0

[lone junco]

If your group sucks and mobs last more than 20s. Sin can maintain

[vestal wren]

for m+ we will see, i still think sub will be a preferable choice

[lone junco]

Those subterfuge garrotes need time.

[lofty sand]

Every time I look at this channel people are talking about anything but Assassination. Its like the other specs are so much better because you can burst down heroic mobs with it

[lone junco]

I play sin for st bosses. Outlaw for cleave.

And in m0 you can swap. 👌

[royal lantern]

people in the assassination channel talk about assassination

hmm........

[warm plaza]

so if CP's only extend the duration of Rupture shouldn't our goal be to pop 1-2 CP Ruptures and then refresh them from there? more Ruptures = more dps right?

[lofty sand]

that's not how it works friend

[warm plaza]

enlighten me please xD im pretty new to sin

[zenith oak]

Assuming you mean subtlety then you're in the wrong channel

[warm plaza]

i meant sin haha

[lone junco]

@warm plaza thats kind of how it works.

In st only. Using 2+ cps rupture instead of 4+ cps. Was only a 0.2% loss.

In cleave. If you continually short your ruptures you will probably have major gaps in your env uptime.

Goal is still 4+ rupture. But not the end of the world of you have 3 and need to clip ep.

[warm plaza]

i saw we needed to have 2 debuffs up 100% of the time and one buff. I'm guessing Garote and Rupture are the 2 debuffs, what is the debuff?

[lone junco]

In legion. The rupture finish pumped surge of toxins. And also procced pbomb.

[lofty sand]

The goal is to keep the most uptime on rupture and garrote while squeezing the maximum amount of envenoms in between

[lone junco]

If you are running pb. You still want 4+

[lofty sand]

thats your goal

[warm plaza]

whats the optimal cp # for Envenom?

[lone junco]

It's not the maximum amount of envenoms. It is the ep and env uptime. But thx.

4+

[lofty sand]

CP influences the time you have to refresh it to get the pandemic effect. Which is at 33% of the duration

[lone junco]

@warm plaza did you read the guide?

[warm plaza]

yea i got confused

[lone junco]

Np. If there is specific wording problem take a snip/quote and I can clarify

[warm plaza]

you guys need to have Pictures like the shammy discord lol

[lone junco]

I don't need to have anything.

[warm plaza]

i think i just read it wrong and got confused

[lone junco]

Work on garrote/rupture uptime to 98%

[dense yarrow]

pictures are for other classes, rogues have experience

[lone junco]

Finish at 4/5 cps.

Don't overwrite your subterfuge garrote until it finishes.

[lofty sand]

Ideally you'd be able to always do 5 cp rupture and always get the best refresh, the whole challenge is to balance everything out while keeping the uptime on everything. Thats what you should be worrying about

[lofty junco]

what ya guys used atm for traits for Sin, after SS is useless cause its bugged?

[warm plaza]

so let Subterfuge Garrote finish all the way then re apply?

[lofty sand]

its not useless, +2cp is pretty good

[lone junco]

When you vanish. Don't refresh garrote right before else it will be on cd. And you will burn your subterfuge at 2min.

Yeah. Normal garrote we can clip at pandemic. Let the subterfuge expire and refresh without a gap.

If you cut the last tick off it's not the end of the world. Lust tick times are like 1.2-1.4sec. So it's not that precise.

High haste and crit will help. Gl.

[lyric gust]

how much haste is too much haste

[solid nova]

When your stat weights tell you

Theres no fixed magic number to aim for, just follow your weights

[warm plaza]

alright ty guys a lot

[lone junco]

@lyric gust I've seen single target haste sims go as high as 50% haste 30% crit.

Use your weights though.

[kindred cedar]

I heard alot of people say all 3 speccs are viable - but by looking at the simulationcraft.org assassination is pure dogshit on the list compared to the other speccs? Was gonna go assa in raid but seems like that would be a bad choice?

[lone junco]

Ok

Tbh it's weird that rupture is so low on the profile.

[calm cedar]

900 damage difference between sub (highest listed) and sin (lowest rated) rogue specs

Not that big of a deal I would not think. All classes are within 1k of eachother DPS wise it appears

[strange python]

wait what? did you see the same sims like me?

[quick egret]

Plus our SS is bugged, so ours is a bit higher

[strange python]

Assa is great

[quick egret]

I love Assa

[strange python]

@kindred cedar the raid isn't out yet... simulations imply patchwerk single target (which doesn't exist in Uldir) and for that specific profile

[quick egret]

Just need to find a darn dagger higher than my 300 lol

[strange python]

I for one am confused on simulationcraft's choice of azerite traits...

[calm cedar]

I am really enjoying sin so far. I get better numbers than I do playing sub, but I kidna suck with sub rotation. Always screwing up

[strange python]

don't know where you getting the impression that sin is "pure dogshit" compared to the other specs

when they are all within like 5% dps of eachother

[calm cedar]

^ Assuming he is not paying attention to the numbers and looking at many specs are in-between them in the listing.

how many***

[kindred cedar]

@calm cedar yeh same, havent played for a long time either, but enjoy assa the most

but they dont look good at sim right now and it worries me

[strange python]

did you even read what I wrote...

[wide gale]

Hello Assasination players, I'm thinking about playing Assassination would u recommened it for an outlaw player ? it seems fun and easy to play , is that right ? tell me ur opinions ❤

[strange python]

if you like sin more than outlaw.. play sin

[calm cedar]

Why you switching from outlaw? Usually hear about how outlaw players love it and stick to it

[strange python]

the playstyle is opposite of outlaw

[wide gale]

@calm cedar i wont quit outlaw, im already 340 gs with outlaw , just would like to try something new and have fun with it ^^

[strange python]

@wide gale
For me Assa ist the real rogue

[calm cedar]

Ahh,

[kindred cedar]

@strange python yes i read what you wrote

[calm cedar]

@strange python Same dude. I just feel more rogue-like playing sin

[kindred cedar]

Still worried the officers will be like "u cant raid ur assa" they shit bla bla bla

[wide gale]

Garrote > mutilate > rapture > mutilate > mutilate > envenom , seems pretty easy right?

I thought Asssassination is good for raiding as well as sub , cuz single target.

[kindred cedar]

But wouldnt be surprised if they nerf sub tho

[strange python]

if your officers are moronic enough to say that then you don't want to be in their guild anyway.

[kindred cedar]

Wouldnt mind a assa buff aswell lmao

[calm cedar]

It will be fine looking at the numbers. Sims look a little low, but it's still 11.5k. Your raid officers would be happy with that

[kindred cedar]

Ah okey

[calm cedar]

Even if your pulling 10k, you'll get a raid spot.

[kindred cedar]

Yeah, but seems like the energy starvation is just so high atm

[calm cedar]

Less your guild is elitist

[wide gale]

Honestly guys I never worry about my spot in raiding even tho I do way less dmg than my gear Itmlvl ,

u know why? cuz i make my own raids.

I swear

[lofty sand]

Assassination rogue will always be good for progression because its simple and safe.

5% dps on some Sims is literally nothing

[calm cedar]

I am having issues with energy starvation. Any tips? Using the standard rotation, but if I don't kill things in one rotation, I seem to be useless for a bit

[lone junco]

Sin isn't fun for wq. Short fights etc.

[calm cedar]

I will admit when fighting tougher single targets and popping vendetta, it feels much better.

but in short fights, not worth the cd

That's when I have issues

[chrome compass]

can someone explain me why you should only keep rupture on 3 targets and not more?

[vestal wren]

CT has a higher priority then Ruprure, you will end up not applying rupture on to many targets before refreshing ct

[ripe dock]

Sins alright for wq imo as long as you run marked for death

Can take down many targets with evasion aswell

[chrome compass]

CT?

[lone junco]

the AoE Bleed.

[chrome compass]

what if i use poison bomb? should i now use rupture on more then 3 targets?

[elfin raft]

with crimson tempest, icy veins says it falls on the bottom of rupture in priority but in ravenholdt it seems opposite or am I just reading it incorrectly?

[warm parcel]

where does this 3 ruptures come from?

[chrome compass]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities

[warm parcel]

uuh

rup is last in prio

you keep garr on cd and keep ct up

and spread rup inbetween

[elfin raft]

oh ok nice

[supple compass]

are there sims for sin specific traits

trying to decide between double dose and incite the pack

[warm parcel]

pick your poison from pins

or sim

[elfin raft]

wtf am I reading icy veins incorrectly or was it trying to say FoK to rupture? and THEN garrote?

makes no sense to me even though ive barely played

weird guide

or im being a dumbass

[hoary copper]

Use the guide, not icy-veins. I havent looked at Icy-veins tho

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[elfin raft]

yeah im using the ravenholdt

but I'm just trying to understand the icy veins

for fun I guess

I remember when it was simple SS SnD and rupture, written out in like 4 steps on Elitist jerks

easy days

[blissful crown]

Guys which enchant do you use on MH?

The haste one or crit one?

[warm parcel]

also in pins

[blissful crown]

Dosnt say which one on mh or oh

it might not matter

[warm parcel]

Doesnt matter its all rppm system

[rain breach]

Hob the buff assa for a bit more dungeon viable

[placid ermine]

can someone explain to me how is garrote trait bis? I had it on piece of gear to test it, and it actually seemed to lower my garrote tick dmg : o

[lofty sand]

@chrome compass Rupture helps with your energy regeneration

if the mobs live long enough for you to have any issues with that

[warm parcel]

Traits just not working rn

So its bad until fixed

[chrome compass]

wait so should i keep rupture on more then 3 targets? yes or no?

im confused now

[lone junco]

depends

how long do they last?
do you have the agi buff from rupture?
are you using CT or Pb/Hb

[warm parcel]

any target that will live

[chrome compass]

ok so what i am asking: in a AoE situation, considering the target will live for the whole dot duration, is there ever a reason to use envenom over rupture?

[lone junco]

here is a sample open for 6t.

garrote garrote garrote CT. fok rupture tab fok rupture tab fok rupture fok env fok env

[warm parcel]

No. You want to just rupture all the targets

[lone junco]

youll want to weave env if they last for a long time. you will dry out energy wise if the dp dont land.

[lofty sand]

Look man, instead of trying to memorize how many ruptures and some arbitrary rules. You should read your class, there are passives in your spellbook that explain why having bleeds help you with energy regeneration. No matter how many things we tell you here at one point you will have to think for yourself. So that being said, applying poison to bleeding targets regenerates a bit of your energy.

So if you're in a situation where you have to aoe and your targets are living long enough for you to start having troubles with your energy. You apply ruptures.

[chrome compass]

i am here because the icy veins guide did not make sense to me, thats why i asked

[lofty sand]

yeah and I'm explaining it

[lone junco]

the days of fok ct fok ct are over. we dont have the energy for that now.

losing T21 sucked

[chrome compass]

maby there was something i missed? but apparently the guide is just wrong

[lofty sand]

You asked why 3 ruptures? Thats because 3 is enough energy regeneration for you to do any sort of pull

[warm parcel]

3 is just a random number tho

you dont stop there

if there is a mob without rupture and it will last you dot that

[vestal wren]

you are usually limited by CT refresh, i assume the number comes from a simulation that didnt put more then 3 up

[lofty sand]

We'd have to do the exact math, but I'd think that at some point you might risk overcapping or the rupture vs envenom or CT is not worth it

[lone junco]

most stuff in packs now, dont live forever. so a 2-3 cps rupture spread is fine imo

[vestal wren]

rupture gives energy back so using it on a mob that dies is not bad

[lone junco]

zero env is a loss the last time i simmed it.

[vestal wren]

not like sub where its lost effort

[lone junco]

for short packs.

[lusty schooner]

Reminder garrote and rupture energy regen stacks

[placid ermine]

if there is a lot of mobs its actually good to get more fan of knives

[lofty sand]

What you need to understand is that garrote and rupture give back energy, so when aoeing you do your CT and you balance out your rupture if you feel that you might run out of energy before things die

[lusty schooner]

Do people enjoy running CT? I still run pb for m0

[lofty sand]

I like the control, I hate the rng of pb

[elfin raft]

yeah same

[lone junco]

seli shifted to HB due to the white dmg from fok buffed by EP

but then he did go sub after getting dumpstered by DH

[lofty sand]

FoK feels so unreliable for combo generation right now, most of the time I'm using multi

[lone junco]

yeah low crit is balls

[lusty schooner]

Eh it will get better (hopefully)

[lone junco]

one day

I think we will be fine for raid single.

[lusty schooner]

Yeah with current sims sin is looking good for patchwerk

So I think it will climb with actually doing mechanics

[lone junco]

at == i would pick sin all day

yey

the first time i get 4 cross bones in a row during lust, i wont have to worry about outlaw anymore

[lusty schooner]

Yeah but when you smack those 5 buffs you feel like Jesus

[lone junco]

ill take that loss.

I had a triple 6b once in NH

tank killed me with a freeze mechanic.

any time someone is like way way past 2nd place on the meters. someone tries to kill themn

[elfin raft]

were all 3 subclasses competitive in the last xpack too?

[lone junco]

at various times

[chrome compass]

how do you manage multi DoTing btw? just tabing trough enemys?

[lone junco]

after the 3 garrotes, rupture fok fok tab rupture etc.

[primal lance]

The correct burst after you have rupture up is vanish vendetta mutilate toxic blade envenom mutilate envenom?

[lone junco]

st?

[primal lance]

Yes

[lone junco]

best way to see the current st is to run the sim and check the profile output.

but

the timing around the vanish subterfuge and the vendetta is probably ironed out there.

[lyric gust]

what azerite powers is everyone running

[lone junco]

deadshot

[steady wharf]

Is there a pinned message somewhere for that status on shrouded suffocation being bugged?

[warm parcel]

no

just not fixt yet

[steady wharf]

so annoying, got it on all 3 of my items =/

[lone junco]

just hang on to them then. will be nice when it works. maybe

[silk sundial]

The damage isn't stacking?

[zenith oak]

the damage isnt working at all

just the extra cp's

[silk sundial]

Ohh, that sucks

[jaunty lagoon]

do you think the cps will stack too?

[civic palm]

No.

[jaunty lagoon]

it would be pointless having a 7 cp garrote

[sweet needle]

Take all the CP

[hardy anchor]

BiS cloak dropped, warrior didn't need

but DE'd it so fast I didn't even get time to ask him for it.

kill me

[civic palm]

lol

[nimble tartan]

This is why whenever anything drops i spam U NEED THAT

even if i dont need it

[civic palm]

YO DAT'S NICE

[hardy anchor]

I did almost immediately too

[civic palm]

O _O

[hardy anchor]

I mean he was like loot boss and immediately DE shit

who does that? >_>

[civic palm]

$ $ $ $ $

[hardy anchor]

it had a socket and everything ;_;

[jaunty lagoon]

did siege of boralus.. so many nice pieces but got 0 loot woo

[river quarry]

whats with these emissary rewards.

they're almost not worth doing except for the rep (obviously making them worth doing). first we got azerite caches now it's nothing but resources?

[hardy anchor]

well the 340 azerite gear ain't bad

[river quarry]

there isn't any though, last 2 emissary were just resources.

that's what I'm saying lol

bugged or?

[hardy anchor]

I had 2 340 azerites in a row, hmm

[river quarry]

when? today/yesterday?

[hardy anchor]

Yesterday then today

[river quarry]

wtf..

are you EU?

[hardy anchor]

yaya

[river quarry]

ah

diff rewards I guess?

[hardy anchor]

could be! Not sure how specific each reward is.

I just assumed they were character specific but I don't have any alts \o/

[strange python]

are assa rogues meant to run triple Shrouded Suffocation for ST

[jaunty lagoon]

it changes depending on EU/NA and Horde/Alliance

[river quarry]

ya but why are we getting two resource emissary in a row

is it 2x in a row then changes?

[amber axle]

its "random"

[strange python]

don't get why it makes sense to run triple shrouded suffocation

[civic palm]

DMG

[strange python]

the 500 ish extra dmg throughout the whole garrote duration is better than everything else?

what am i missing

[tidal sedge]

is SS still bugged or does it properly stack now?

[hazy iron]

i don't think the damage component works at all

[regal tundra]

@strange python subterfuge + shrouded suffocation makes for big garrote ticks

when the damage component of shrouded suffocation will be implemented that is

[strange python]

huh?

it doesn't work?

[regal tundra]

right now we only get the CP

[hazy iron]

it's allegedly bugged

[civic palm]

I mean you can apply 2 garrotes and see the DMG difference.

[strange python]

so the damage provided by SS isn't static and unchanging depending on the azerite piece? and it gets affected by subterfuge, so it's like a part percentage of garrote effectively?

[strange python]

oh so the azerite reforger only lets you choose a different option and not give you new azerite powers

[zenith oak]

wait wat? there's an azurite reforger??? 😦 TIL

[hazy iron]

of course you won't get new azerite powers, each particular peice will always have the same traits

[lusty schooner]

Imagine if it was like the NLC

[zenith oak]

idk what ncl is

[royal lantern]

the last shity rng system in legion

[zenith oak]

ahh, i didnt play most of legion but okay lol

[royal lantern]

came with argus

your relics had different random chosen traits, wich means that you where able too stack a artifact trait 3x more if you where lucky enough

it was just a bad rng system

[zenith oak]

oh like the random legendary's at the start but probably worse

[royal lantern]

you had 0 controll, where not able too check it before and stuff, you got a relic, put it in the ncl and prayed too rngesus that something good came out

[zenith oak]

reminds me of trying to find a weapon in BfA

[royal lantern]

there are weapons in bfa?

[zenith oak]

exactly

[lusty schooner]

I miss relics already

[strange python]

i dont know why i thought that

[urban storm]

i'd go back to relic system in a heartbeat

over this bullshit

17 mythics done, no wq weapons cuz im not EU horde

[unborn citrus]

wait eu horde had a wq weapon?

[urban storm]

emissary

[unborn citrus]

oh yea there was something

but yea i miss the relics aswell. i hate praying for weapons its the worst

[urban storm]

like yes, having to get specific relics wasn't ideal

but at least you could get ilvl upgrades

NCL was also a pretty bad system

required you to get rng on top of rng

to get bis + 2nd bis

that is still infinitely better than just never getting weapons

[unborn citrus]

ncl? yea and having to get 2 weapons is making me even more mad. i mean there are classes that only need one

[urban storm]

neterhlight crucible

argus thing

gave extra trait on relics but total rng

[unborn citrus]

oh yea. stopped playing right before that came out

[urban storm]

was discussed just up in the chat lol

[unborn citrus]

oh i c

[urban storm]

but like

even then it kinda expanded your capability of farming relics, because you could attempt to acquire either the top trait for dps, or the 2nd top trait

because you could get the other in the 3rd row of them

definitely not something that should have stuck aroud though

[slender hare]

Its true, really sucks having to hunt for two weapons, compared to classes that only need one weapon

[urban storm]

yeah thankfully offhand isn't super important

[slender hare]

I would just feel awful if I had two daggers like 40 ilvls apart lol

[urban storm]

since i think daggers are only all 1.8 speed now

you can just put your old MH in OH whenever replaced

[manic rampart]

which of the specs are more convenient to level with?

[unborn citrus]

yea still. you need to hunt for 2. was way better when everyone had the same weapons

[urban storm]

i leveled sin because it was the mots familiar, i never really switched out of it for all of legion

all of them are fine

[manic rampart]

even sustain wise?

[slender hare]

Oh I know, my daggers are 320 but my ilevel is 343 lol

[urban storm]

but i also had all the legendaries so i could play whatever

[slender hare]

310*

[urban storm]

and was killing things prior to 116 very quickly

i have a 320/310 and im 335 equipped 338 in bag

[unborn citrus]

323 and 310/298

[urban storm]

i did 9 mythics this week

and only got 3 items total

i was the only leather in the group so willl probably try to fix that this coming lockout

[slender hare]

Same, and I’ve got 2 340 sword lol, blitz forcing me into outlaw shit

[urban storm]

id probably switch to outlaw if i got a sword from an emissary or osmething

[slender hare]

Yeah I’m currently playing outlaw in dungeons, just because my daggers are so bad

[urban storm]

YouMadBro if you have legendaries for a spec from legion, you should probably play that as they are goign to help a lot pre-116

but if not, just play whatever you want, theyre all fine

[livid bronze]

for M+, is it better for us to be crimson or bomb since we are the priority dmg?

[royal lantern]

idk if they change ct or pb dmg when uldir is out, but pb right now is not that great dmg wise, you dont lose much st dmg by taking ct

+its a proc anyway, you cant controll it

[livid bronze]

so take ct since its not a real ST loss

and helps on trash

[dark token]

rip sin

Shrouded Suffocation (Rogue) damage reduced by 11%. Fixed an issue that caused this trait's damage increase to fail.

[modern smelt]

Man, they really want us to use dagger in the back without question for pretty much every spec now

[nimble tartan]

LMAO

[tall radish]

is there any difference between azerite gear of similar ilevel if the azerite traits require different lvls to unlock?

[modern smelt]

Nope

[tall radish]

so if i use 340 pieces and have one piece with 2 traits unlocked, and one piece with 1 trait unlocked, i should use the one with lower reqs?

they both have twist the knife but one has heed the call which is pretty good for ass

[onyx falcon]

"Shrouded Suffocation (Rogue) damage reduced by 11%. Fixed an issue that caused this trait's damage increase to fail." HEY THEY FIXED IT

NOW ITS NERFED

😄

[primal lance]

So when will pins be updated with the best Azerite traits? Or is SS still the best choice?

[onyx falcon]

the hotfix notes came out ~30-hr ago....

they need time to resim stuff and pplz play the game

[primal lance]

K

[strange python]

check #tc-updates

[civic palm]

Now it works.

[oblique python]

if they nerf it but it previously wasnt working, it's still a up for all of us , but the trait may not be the best. Seems they want every melee to get Dagger in the back ...

[hazy iron]

11% :/ sounds big, but will have to wait

[fleet prawn]

New person question alert: Can anyone tell me why I have exsanguinate, but can't use it? It's greyed out on my hotbar and can't be used in any situation

[hazy iron]

because you're not talented into it

[fleet prawn]

ah, got it, thanks

just didn't expect it to be there on my bars

I suppose it was there before when I was talented into it

[opaque tree]

I have a question about Weapon Enchants if anyone knows

i finally got two mythic daggers and enchanted them... Deadly and Quick Navigation

Does it matter which enchant is on the mainhand and which is offhand?

[blissful crown]

Nope

[opaque tree]

the sim changes back and forth on which dagger I should put in main hand and which in offhand.. lol

[blissful crown]

Sad to wake up to that 11% nerf on ss

[opaque tree]

they nerfed SS, seriously?

[blissful crown]

I just hope sin survives the last big tuning before raid 😄

[opaque tree]

I don't see a SS nerf where?

[blissful crown]

Shrouded Suffocation (Rogue) damage reduced by 11%. Fixed an issue that caused this trait's damage increase to fail."

Scroll up

ppl are writting about it

[opaque tree]

I guess that means dagger in the back is going to be ahead now... : \

[blissful crown]

what u mean?

[tawny agate]

i guess i have to learn sub 😦

[blissful crown]

Easy boys

we dont know anything before raid starts.

[fleet whale]

shrouded suffocation finally fixed, blizz nerfs it in the very same hotfix...

[blissful crown]

Yeah

😄

b

[fleet whale]

i'm shocked they didn't touch blade in the shadows...I guess because of ramp-up?

[blissful crown]

😄 😄

[crimson isle]

Its a Buff btw

[opaque tree]

what is a buff?

[crimson isle]

The hotfix

[echo cargo]

It's not a buff, it's a nerf. Fixing something that is broken, and then nerfing it, is a nerf 😂

[crimson isle]

But its a overall buff

[echo cargo]

If it's 11%, everyone who was stacking them to be competitive is just going to replace them anyway

Also seems a bit unnecessary to nerf but that's just my opinion

[lament dove]

it gives CPs and gives a dmg buff, that 11% is 11% of the dmg buff

so I doubt it's world shaking

it seems they didn't fix the ingame tooltip though, still shows the same dmg^^

[crimson isle]

You lose ≈ 160 dmg and gain ≈ 1170 with 3 stacks

[opaque tree]

but it wasn't THAT far ahead of dagger in the back trait

so.. DITB might pull ahead now with 3 stacked traits

[slender sandal]

Hmm i get same garrotes as before 🤔

[odd tundra]

Is that trait still not working?

[weak pine]

It is?

[odd tundra]

Are you asking me?

Oh do I have to be more specific for you?

[weak pine]

Which trait are you asking about

DITB got fixed

[odd tundra]

My bad

Ss

Old mate mentioned his garottes were still the same so I assumed meh

[random skiff]

is it even worth to raid Sin or should i bite the bullet and learn sub?

[elfin mantle]

sub is ez

if u wanna try hard

[lone junco]

if you get high daggers, learn both. the balance patch will be predictably unpredictable.

Double Dose buffed by 33% Blindside buffed by 300%

ding

[random skiff]

i am so shit tier at sub :[

[lone junco]

then fuck sub

it is always best to play what you perform well at

I am better a sin, because of raid lead.

[random skiff]

much scare im gonna lose mythic spot to sub rogues tho

feelsbadman

[safe matrix]

Also sin is going to be good for progress

[lone junco]

its always good for drilling bosses during mechanics.

[safe matrix]

You can do a lot of damage with a lot less uptime, you can do more mechanics

[random skiff]

thats true

[lone junco]

honestly I hope they buff rupture a LOT

it is way too low on the profile

[lusty schooner]

Sub will probably get some nerfs

[random skiff]

I want exang sin again

[elfin mantle]

exsang sin only lived in the legion prepatch

400%

[lone junco]

no true

[elfin mantle]

never forget

[lone junco]

2p4p was best exang

400% left a dumb gap

and no bota

[random skiff]

EN exang was decent too

[elfin mantle]

melted people in pvp tho

[random skiff]

400 was nutty tho

[lone junco]

4p20 exsang was really really strong in bfa prepatch

made me lol for days

seli ran M+30 as 4p20 2p21

well he used tb. but still

that subterfuge dmg

[elfin mantle]

the fuck is 4p2-

4p20 2p21

[safe matrix]

Tier sets

4 piece tier 20

And 2 piece tier 21

[elfin mantle]

ah ok

[sharp pond]

Does everyone here use blindside?

[strange python]

i use master poisoner

[lunar berry]

How is assa in dungeons compared to the other two specs atm?

[jaunty lagoon]

wow SS and DItB ARE SO CLOSE NOW

caps

[random skiff]

what are good unbuffed numbers on target dummy?

[lavish citrus]

if you go to raidbots you can sim without any raid buffs

[warm parcel]

SS still not fixed btw

regardless of blue post

Lemme try respeccing my azerite powers

Cause I know monk ones stay the same unless you relearn them

[crimson gorge]

rofl you're right

they didn't fix it

[lofty junco]

again we got a mace on EU alliance for emissary -.-

[warm parcel]

Nop

Simply doesnt work

Not even respeccing helps

[crimson gorge]

does blizz even test things?

[slender sandal]

[lofty junco]

how ya long ya playing wow? xD they didn't xD

[torpid forge]

guys, whats the reason for the icy veins guide telling us to use one +9 agi gem and then all haste? flat out damage?

[velvet magnet]

Can only use 1 main stat gem in your gear

[junior dome]

what is exactly up with ss?

[warm parcel]

That it doesnt do anything

[delicate root]

Those super powered garottes were the only cool thing assa had going for it

And it's borked

[warm parcel]

One day

[vapid moth]

What the hell does +9 agility do? 40 haste is way better based on stat weights

[hazy iron]

dunno, my agi gem is +40 too

icy veins being bad, maybe?

[delicate root]

Was gonna say.. Pretty sure the agi gem is +40

[vapid moth]

Oh shit I need to find me one then

[delicate root]

Icy Veins always ™ bad

[quartz marten]

Our discord > icy veins

[rotund stone]

have we found out if shrouded suff damage stacks yet?

i know the combo wombo points dont.

[warm parcel]

Has always stacked

And will

Like every other trait in the game

[valid junco]

And the emissary weapon is outlaw XDDDDDD 5th weapon now that i cant even use on WQ based rewards. Thanks for the nice algorytm

[prisma gull]

its nudginf you toward the fotm spec 😉

[valid junco]

well atleast the daggers will feel 100x better now when they actually drop haha

[lime path]

any of you guys remember how to do a multi weapon swap macro?

/equip name
/equip name

only works for up to two weapons, any more and it ignores the first line.

like how to swap between 4 weapons on the same macro, in a sequence?

[valid junco]

just curious but aint this like vanillla wow stuff , switching weapons ?

[elfin mantle]

paladin switchin to shield and 1 hand to get more heals

[valid junco]

i remember switching weapons after ambush for bigger hemos or sinister strikes or something likethat 😄

but the weapon slots are /equipslot16 and /equipslot17

hmm can be 15 and 16 now when we dont have ranged slot

[late goblet]

How is SS after the nerf but also fix?

[chrome compass]

is it worth to apply a 2 combopoint Rupture if the target will only live for 12 seconds?

[lofty junco]

" Shrouded Suffocation ( Rogue) damage reduced by 11%. Fixed an issue that caused this trait's damage increase to fail." hmm i didn't noticed something like that...

[mystic vessel]

Best current spec y pvp(arena) and pve(raids)?

[strange python]

No

There was no SS fix

[lofty junco]

bluepost said it was but its seems unfixxed

[sacred ore]

what is the bug in shrouded suffocation?

[warm parcel]

Exactly what the blue states

[lofty junco]

yeah but it seems unfixed

[sacred ore]

guys if i have more haste i go elaborate planning ? & if i have more mastery i got master poisoner?

[strange python]

[sacred ore]

go

[strange python]

No

[sacred ore]

then how does this work .-.

[strange python]

S

I

M

[sacred ore]

ooooooooooooooooo

[lofty junco]

seems that the trait-patch sin't online now on EU

[warm parcel]

It isnt

[lofty junco]

i hope really they fixx it so that i can stack SS now^^

[mystic vessel]

How do i sim?

To choose between talents and 2 different armors

[tropic osprey]

Is the herodamage updated with the nerfs to SS? 😃

[valid junco]

[tropic osprey]

I have just been testing on training dummy, and it seems to me that SS dmg is stacking 😃 but not 100% sure

[warm parcel]

Post a log

[tropic osprey]

eh, did not log it, just used ingame combat log

[warm parcel]

An hour ago it didnt work

[valid junco]

finally tol dagor dagger , hc version 325 but still ❤

[mossy hazel]

Hey is it just me or does fok sometimes not apply poisons very reliably

[strange python]

[mossy hazel]

I feel like with sub multi garrote I hit 4 guys with garrote then rupture and start fok spam and I only have poison on the guy I'm auto attacking

[valid junco]

FoK is normal rate with poisons , so not with every hit.

[mossy hazel]

Takes a good couple fok before I've got poisons up. Is that a known thing right now

[valid junco]

after 1 envenom the rate goes up

[strange python]

Maybe you should read the tooltip

[mossy hazel]

Guess I just never noticed it before then

I have...

Just confirming with other people.

Like this was a forum for discussion or something crazy like that

[valid junco]

its all rng with poisons , so sometimes u poison everything and sometimes not 😄

have been lucky with drops statwise , just need to fix that 4 % versa to crit and im ready for Uldir ownage. Calegallers and Fathoms as trinkets.

with calegaller haste goes up to32% + azerite traits , booming for around 50-60% in some cases

[mossy hazel]

You're feeling good at 17% haste? What's your stat weights right now?

Not knocking you, just expected it to be higher

Those procs are pretty awesome though

[valid junco]

not simmin yet , just going Haste , Crit , Mastery ,Versa

[mossy hazel]

I'm struggling with finding good haste gear really bad right now

[valid junco]

i hope some preraid tunings will give us a bit more room to slag with gearing , but we will see

[tulip thicket]

doesnt increased poison proc from envenom only work on that target, lol

[mossy hazel]

I'm like right at the edge of still being ilvl > stats, but all the good ilvl upgrades i get actually dump what little haste I've got

[valid junco]

Whiskiz good point ! , never actually thought about that. It might be..

[mossy hazel]

Think I'm sitting seeing 13%

[valid junco]

i think the buff for 30% poison application is on us , not on target .. testing it now

[tulip thicket]

kk

[mossy hazel]

Yea env buff is on us

[valid junco]

ye its on us

[tulip thicket]

ah interesting

so you want full cp asap to get an envenom up in aoe

your standard 3 or 4 or so bleeds first

[mossy hazel]

I'm sure getting those ruptures up Is probably more important

[valid junco]

Crimson tempest with ruptures is a beast

[mossy hazel]

I haven't seen many people saying ct is worth it in the long run

[tulip thicket]

4 garrotes then envenom, bringing in bleeds/poisons for energy regen and envonm poison procs, then start to ruptures if its going to be big tough, long aoe

[mossy hazel]

Think mobs typically die too fast for it to be efficient

[valid junco]

Poison Bomb is too rng , Crimson is on demand

[tulip thicket]

poison bomb is free, both in GCD and energy

especially in this heavy haste straved meta..

[valid junco]

ye with good group , we tend to be low on aoe deeps

ya

[mossy hazel]

Yea but by time you get 4 garrote 3 rupture, ct isn't gong to have a lot of time left to tick. Things will be almost dead

[valid junco]

btw u guys using thistle tea ? its free energy and working now with 5 min cd

u can buy it from rogue class hall dalaran

[mossy hazel]

I haven't tried it yet

[valid junco]

use it on every boss , its op

[tulip thicket]

m+ keys etc mobs last alot longer

[mossy hazel]

That's where I'm seeing people say ct isn't worth

[valid junco]

And thistle tea is cheap , around 1 silver each

[mossy hazel]

I could be mistaken though

[tulip thicket]

talking for all the ruptures

poison bomb fan here myself

[true ingot]

Gale-force striking any better for us after the hotfixes?

[valid junco]

if they fix the prog rate , i will go poison bomb again. but for now Crimson with big pulls is better forme

[tulip thicket]

crimson potentially better big aoe, but poison bomb good for big aoe, good for small aoe, good for ST, good for 2 targets etc :p

[valid junco]

thats true

[tulip thicket]

free dmgs regardless of situation

[valid junco]

Get this , shitload of it !

helps alot with burst.

[tropic osprey]

is there a list somewhere where i can loot best azerite items and daggers?

[valid junco]

Icy veins

[tropic osprey]

hmm thouse are not SS traits

[valid junco]

ss ?

[tropic osprey]

the Atal'dazar shoulders and chest piece are not with trait SS? 😃

[valid junco]

ye actually havent went with that list myself .. now that i looked it its total carbage 😄

Rocking engineer helm and Meticulous scheming giving me tons of haste with and chest with SS

meticulous on shoulders i mean

[lofty junco]

btw we don't know if SS will be bis trait. we will see it tommorrow

[slow yacht]

Do you guys ever experience using fan of knifes with like 4 targets, and only getting 1-2 combo point?

[hazy iron]

yes

[tulip thicket]

so envenom increasing poison application by 30% - is that 30% additive or multiplicative

+30% extra, or 30% of the usual 50% extra

[vestal zodiac]

it was probably asked already, but with the shrouded suffocation nerf, is dagger in the back bis, or does bloodmallet sims reflect the nerf already?

[lofty junco]

we will see tomorrow with actual sims

[vestal zodiac]

ah k

[slender hare]

Wow so finally get an emissary with weapon, and it’s a friggin mace...

[stiff venture]

Does shrouded suffocation work now then?

[hazy iron]

blizz reckon it does, but it doesn't

[main rain]

wat? still not working?

[cloud finch]

!darkmoon

[prisma monolith]

Darkmoon Deck: Fathoms is still a top tier trinket, even after the recent nerf. Herodamage has updated sims for this trinket, for all specs.

[cloud finch]

Also what is meant by SS not working?

[hazy iron]

damage component is still not being added

[cloud finch]

Ah

[royal lantern]

they.....´´fixed´´....it

[simple agate]

"Shrouded Suffocation (Rogue) damage reduced by 11%. Fixed an issue that caused this trait's damage increase to fail."?

[warm parcel]

Still not working

@tulip thicket
Additive in case still wondering

[modest oyster]

So they nerfed the damage that wasn’t even working anyway

[warm parcel]

Yup

[simple agate]

[lone junco]

@slow yacht FOK is 1cp. And 1cp per crit. So In a large trash pack with no FOK crits you get one cp.

[valid junco]

need to make Meticulous Scheming Weak Aura , so i can activate that nice 600haste for 20 seconds when the window opens

[graceful halo]

is it better to clip elaborate planning with envenom or simply maximize the envenom buff on single target?

[slow yacht]

@lone junco Oh it's not per enemy hit, but per crit with Seal of Fate. Silly me, thanks for the info!

[strange python]

@tulip thicket 50% -> 80%

[urban storm]

so raidbots

with regards to the garrote trait, was it accurate before the dmg hotfix?

or is it accurate now?

[gleaming geyser]

Sims were assuming the trait worked and the damage portion applied to garrote

It didnt work on live

[urban storm]

ok

[gleaming geyser]

Now reportedly the trait still doesnt work and has been nerfed by 11% lul

[coral meteor]

what a time to be alive

[urban storm]

i mean