but I feel that the most people still look at pure ilvl which triggers me so much
#assassination
bleak rivet
that's just the nature of pugging
no matter how good you are or how many achieves you have. if you have the ilevel you're in
crimson turtle
but I know what to do most of the times at least and really can contribute to the group's success
yeee ur right 😦
bleak rivet
just gotta get use to it or join a guild
crimson turtle
I am in a guild, luckily
bleak rivet
well there ya go
crimson turtle
but you know sometimes not all members are online
ebon bramble
is assassination really pulling much lower numbers compared to other specs? O_o
crimson turtle
I mean you know, different countries (I'm from Europe), different age and duties
bleak rivet
a little bit @ebon bramble it's still fairly competitive but since things die fast it falls a little behind on some fights
ebon bramble
i have not seen a single assasination rogue in my groups yet lol
bleak rivet
It's still in a good spot
ebon bramble
but what about boss dps?
crimson turtle
It is, and when we'll be facing longer-living targets we'll do better also on AoE
ebon bramble
when do we face longer living targets?
bleak rivet
M+ and raids
strange python
Isnt assassination more dot damage then aoe
ebon bramble
isnt most M+ all about quick burst aoe?
bleak rivet
Sin can do aoe dot damage with tempest, multiple ruptures and fan and knives
but it is mostly single target
strange python
I mean idk im new to the game so ye
crimson turtle
@ebon bramble it is but you know, no target dies after 5sec
bleak rivet
High M+ keys is where specs like sin and affliction become really good since trash lives long
lower keys sub and outlaw will be better
crimson turtle
the faster you kill them the better, but they still live longer due to the keystone enhancement
ebon bramble
just that ive been seeing a lot of sub.outlaw but never assassination
bleak rivet
that's common at the start of an xpac
ebon bramble
and sim craft shows us as being middle of the pack
bleak rivet
the later the xpac the better sin gets usually, they are gear reliant
crimson turtle
because on trash their burst, aoe and cleave are more efficient
than our DoTs that need some more time to shine
bleak rivet
yeah that's common
don't fret about it
that's just the nature of our spec and plenty of other dot specs
crimson turtle
^ exactly that
bleak rivet
afflication and feral are probably in the same spot
crimson turtle
affli also sims lower atm
bleak rivet
afflication*
crimson turtle
feral is garbage rn according to some people I've talked to
strange python
Am i gay for using the level 110 booster?
crimson turtle
spriests also not the best
bleak rivet
No.
crimson turtle
but as Blazer says
tight meteor
feral getting a "buff"?
bleak rivet
you are not gay for using a boost you were given or bought
crimson turtle
give the xpac some time
strange python
I was given it
crimson turtle
yeah I think they will hotfix feral
tight meteor
increasing mastery and then nerfing their overalldamage by like 80% or something stupid
i think i saw it on reddit earlier
might be a shitpost tho lmao
strange python
Well reddit is a cesspool
crimson turtle
idk about it but many many people say it needs some fixing
bleak rivet
I mean, I don't really care for feral as I look at them as cheap rogues that are cats
crimson turtle
but perhaps its only problems lay in the fact that trash lives too short for core feral skills to shine
strange python
YOOO ROBBIE ROTTEN DIED
crimson turtle
saw a post today
bleak rivet
he was a good perso
crimson turtle
it does I mean he was not even that far into his middle age
43 wtf no time for dying
bleak rivet
What did he die of? cancer?
crimson turtle
cancer
bleak rivet
Yikes
bleak rivet
man, that's awful
crimson turtle
I think he did after the latest relapse
because the treatment was clearly not working
tight meteor
ah
crimson turtle
I mean it worked for a year or so
tight meteor
sad
crimson turtle
that's the thing wit cancers
strange python
Anyone wanna help me threw bfa
bleak rivet
Did you just start leveling or?
strange python
Well i bought the dlc and used the 110 booster
prisma gull
First mistake. Don't boost if you've never played. I'd suggest making a character, any character and play for like, 20 or so levels
bleak rivet
^
strange python
I played with this character till like level 40
prisma gull
Oh ok then
bleak rivet
Well, you'll get some quests to start the new xpac, called an "Hour of Reckoning" I think, start on that and also play your fav spec (Which I assume is assassination since you are talking in this chat) and just enjoy the story and ride to max level. Once you get there then it becomes kinda confusing.
strange python
Well its making me do a quest called the call of allies
bleak rivet
Then we can help you fruther
That's for allied races, I wouldn't do that since you didn't play in Legion
crimson turtle
do it cause it will spawn endlessly until you do, but do you have those allied races unlocked?
strange python
No i dont
crimson turtle
if not, then just do "call for alllies" and decline the further quest from Andui
bleak rivet
You should have a quest called 'Hour of reckoning" if not open your adventure guide which is the book on your microabar near your talents and stuff
strange python
I would like to do the other dlc
crimson turtle
cause call for alllies will spawn every time you enter Stormwind which annoys the f out of me
bleak rivet
You can't really go back to it since you've boosted and outleveled it but you can go do old dungeons and raids but I'd recommend just doing the new expansion stuff since it is where the real progression and enjoyment is right now
crimson turtle
yes, exactly
strange python
So i cant go threw the old dlc quests rip dreams
crimson turtle
you can
bleak rivet
You can but it doesn't really give you anything
crimson turtle
but there's no point now I think
bleak rivet
Gives a little bit of gold but it's overall not worth doing
crimson turtle
yes
bleak rivet
and you have to enable a feature to see him I think
strange python
Well i dont see a quest called a hour of reckoning
bleak rivet
Okay, do you know where your adventure guide is?
bleak rivet
Do you see a tooltip for anything relating to zandalar or lordaeron
Ok, what ques are you on?
quest*
that is related to zandalar
strange python
The call for allies
bleak rivet
that's it?
strange python
Yea
bleak rivet
Do you not see any other exclamation marks around the area?
strange python
Ill go check
bleak rivet
IF you can't find any, mind telling me where you are in zandalar?
strange python
I mean there is a map here with a exclamation mark above ot
bleak rivet
Yes, click on that
strange python
When i click on it gives me 3 choices
bleak rivet
Yes, read what they say and pick what zone sounds appealing to adventure in!
strange python
I hate being a newb
bleak rivet
We all were once
strange python
Im sorry for asking questions btw
crimson turtle
so you're on a map to choose the lvling zone? Zuldazar, Nazmir or Vol'dun?
bleak rivet
It's all good
strange python
Yea
viral ice
Does Overwhelming Power stack?
strange python
Vol dun seems pretty cool cause ya know slaves
tight meteor
lol sin channel has become so friendly when its not fotm
bleak rivet
Click on each choice and read what they say and pick the zone that sounds appealing to quest and level in for now
crimson turtle
fotm?
bleak rivet
Alrighty pick vol'dun and you'll get a quest to start questing there
strange python
Anyone wannna help?
tight meteor
flavour of the month
prisma gull
Voldun is a good starting place. You'll go through them all eventually
bleak rivet
^
crimson turtle
now you have to use the provided transport there and just start questing
strange python
Ight
bleak rivet
YIkes, some bad discords you've been in lol
strange python
I mean do you see my name
crimson turtle
there's always an option even if you never visited the zone before
strange python
Thats what i say
crimson turtle
your name is your choice, why would anyone have a problem with it omg
bleak rivet
Yeah lol
prisma gull
And they can change it, mods that is
prisma gull
And class discords don't tend to kick unless you're actively causing problems
bleak rivet
Let alone a name lol
Yeah, lots of people are here so getting kicked is rare unless your blatantly being an annoyance
crimson turtle
people that get annoyed by someone's internet nickname are really bizarre to me
bleak rivet
or breaking rules
strange python
The question is
bleak rivet
Yeah, people are dumb sometimes
prisma gull
Yeah that's gonna get a kick
bleak rivet
Oh, I don't really care for it but some people do. Don't think it's appropriate to talk about it here though.
unless the rules say otherwise
strange python
Alright i was just askin tor safe keeping
bleak rivet
Anyways, back to WoW
strange python
Im on a quest call discreet discussions
bleak rivet
Yeah, just keep completing quests and you'll experience the zones and story of BfA so far and you'll be max level in no time
safe matrix
!warn @strange python change your name and stop testing the line or next step is ban
bleak rivet
Do you have questions about azerite armor or any systems of the game you may not understand like talents?
safe matrix
It also came from your word testing behind the scenes
you have 5 minutes to change or ban
strange python
Well i apologize my bird friend
bleak rivet
So do you have any further questions?
bleak rivet
Unfortunately, I am max level so I'm unable to do the content since I've already done it
strange python
Oof ight understandable
bleak rivet
Well, I'm glad you're on the right path now, I hope you enjoy BfA and one you hit max level we will be here for you to guide you in endgame.
which is where the real game begins
prisma gull
Read pins though, lots of class into is there already :D
bleak rivet
That too
Yeah? Pick any traits you deem useful for leveling because the traits aren't critical until max level, so pick what you would find most useful to leveling like AoE traits, or survivability etc.
strange python
Alright
bleak rivet
and you'll get more traits the more levels your necklace gets from AP which most content rewards
you'll get a notifcation if you have a trait available
strange python
Will i get any other pieces of the armor?
crimson turtle
and dont mind replacing some azerite armor pieces with other, cause as Blazer said the traits now dont make that difference
yes you'll get plenty
You can get Head, Shoulders or Chest
bleak rivet
Yes, you will through quests and the occasional rare.
crimson turtle
there are different appearances etc, they have different ilvl also while you progress
bleak rivet
Lol
strange python
Oh boy and a furry saves me
crimson turtle
so replace them with their better counterparts as the traits now aren't that important
bleak rivet
Yeah, what michoman said and yeah Vol'dun is pretty wild
My favorite zone personally
crimson turtle
geez why is it red all suddenly I didn't mean to offend anyone
strange python
O i have almost 700 gold
bleak rivet
Red?
prisma gull
Gratz, that's like.. 1 flask for raiding :D
bleak rivet
I wouldn't worry about gold too much, it's more of a luxury honestly.
prisma gull
The economy is inflated as hell
bleak rivet
You only use it to buy items for raiding if that's what you plan to do once you hit max level
and mounts if you want but that costs a lot of cash
strange python
Well i mean 1 is better then none
crimson turtle
and he means A LOT
strange python
I really wanna do the lich king raid
bleak rivet
The most important thing to spend gold on is repairs
strange python
I wanna kill dat sob
bleak rivet
You can solo the lich king raids once you hit max level to see them if you want, just look up the entrances and enjoy them later on
crimson turtle
then go there and kill him, at 110 he won't be a problem
strange python
I mean i do like 200 damage to these level 110 guys
I doubt ill do enough damage to solo it
bleak rivet
You can, the levels of the enemies there are very low
You'll probably just one shot or two shot bosses lol
crimson turtle
yes but you know the levels scale and a 30lv difference is sufficient for you to do exaggerated damae
bleak rivet
Your damage is amplified against low level targets
crimson turtle
exactly
crimson turtle
and Lich King is like 82lv? he's from a max-80lv xpac
strange python
And is he like a daily thing or something i cant farm endlessly
crimson turtle
you can do each particular raid once per week
bleak rivet
The gear he drops is outdated and old
viral ice
Ok, tested it, Overwhelming Power stacks to give you 2x the haste per application.
bleak rivet
That's cool, just unlocked that trait today
strange python
Then how would. I get there?
bleak rivet
Go to northrend and look up the entrances on youtube
crimson turtle
oh nice man thanks for sharing
@strange python you need to get to SW then take a ship to Northrend
bleak rivet
There are zeppelins and portals in Org to Borean tundra and howling fjord which are 2 of the zones in northrend
crimson turtle
oh ur Horde then get to Orgrimmar
crimson turtle
I did the same thing but im ally 😛
strange python
What is SW
strange python
Im in horde im a blood elf
crimson turtle
Stormwind City, alliance capital
SW for short
but I'm sorry I assumed wrongly that ur alliance too 😛
bleak rivet
There is a portal room in the Great Seal
Go to a flightmaster and fly back to the great seal
crimson turtle
use the portal
to orgri, then get a zeppelin to howling fjord or borean tundra
then fly to the Icecrown zone
strange python
Well im doing nisha's quests rn
crimson turtle
and you won't be able to miss the entrance, you'll see a bridge/road leading to the gagtes
strange python
Im not even in a town or something
crimson turtle
gates* and then at the end of this road there will be some NPCs and the entrance
well you don't have to abandon questing now
you can get there anytime u want
but I'd focus on getting that 120lv rn if I were you:D
strange python
Yea thats what i was about to say
I wonder if WoW is gonna come out with anymore dlc
crimson turtle
oh it will I can assure you
there will be a few patches in this expansion, some new raids later on etc
and definitely another xpac/xpacs 😃
prisma gull
1 new xpac every 2 years forever
bleak rivet
pretty much
west frost
So did we go through another hotfix and dodge an ss fix
ebon bramble
of course
mortal wren
What enchants are people going for for weapons rn? 😃
alpine lodge
I heard shrouded suffocation is bugged, is that true? If it is has it been fixed yet?
mortal wren
That's what I heard too, been wondering the same
zealous dew
Items
Incessantly Ticking Clock procs now scale properly with item level.
well that was fast
prisma gull
Yup, I love it :D
void kettle
shrouded it is then?
zealous dew
damage is not added now
void kettle
wait wat
zealous dew
adds only the CP, not the extra dmg
crimson turtle
But they’ll fix it, I’m sure
zealous dew
in the meantime rip 😃
safe matrix
It's almost like there was an announcement for this or something 
old sphinx
mb, haven't been on discord in a while, beeing holed up gearing my chars and so on 💁
prisma gull
Liavre been shadowblade a long time. You've been gearing since pre patch?
old sphinx
I have not been playing wow in prepatch and now I'm through gearing alts so 😃
waxen tide
woohoo they fixed the dagger
zealous dew
yep, and the trinket
blissful crown
which dagger was bugged?
naive eagle
BoE 350 epic ones still fucked tho, only got 67 dps =/
safe matrix
Are you sure you aren't looking at the caster dagger?
nimble dome
should i stack shrouded suffocation or take shrouded and tidal surge? i know the combo point generation doesn't stack, that's why i'm asking.
devout jolt
If theyve fixed the dagger and the trinket, what about SS? That fixed too?
old sphinx
Shadowstep is bugged ?
devout jolt
shrouded suffocation
old sphinx
ah
nimble dome
what was bugged with it? sorry, i'm out of the loop here.
old sphinx
afaik only the cp was considered and not the damage portion of it. but I could be wrong
nimble dome
ah, what i had read was the damage stacked even with multiple shrouded suffocation. at least that was the intention. so i guess i should pick up tidal surge?
instead of stacking two shrouded?
devout jolt
are we even getting the damage bonus from it? I thought none of it worked
naive eagle
I thought the same
nimble dome
that's got to get hotfixed at some point i'm sure? that's awful news, because i have been grabbing it based on some stat-sheet i saw placing it 1st overall dps gain.
devout jolt
yeah, i only have it on one piece of gear now solely for the 2 cp garrot into cheapshot for a 5cp rup but I could really do with some help here Blizz doing damage
warm parcel
Not even one gives dmg
Was still broken last night
Feel free to hit a dummy and test
nimble dome
thank you for the heads up
warm parcel
Also you can change traits at reforge vendor
So dont be afraid to use something else for now
nimble dome
something else i did not know. thanks! i was not prepared.
warm parcel
Blizz wanted to make people think you are permalocked to the traits
Initially they didnt even want you to be able to swap
warm parcel
I guess
Depends on how many azerite you get for prog
And how useful defensives are
Many what. Traits?
23
warm parcel
I have no clue 
devout jolt
I have seen this spoken about a while ago in this chat, I've just started to gear up in Heroics and atm, Blindside is simming higher for me. DO I use that always at sub 30% or only when it procs? I cannot see comments on this in the guide
warm parcel
Right. Sub 30 if youre not using venomous wounds
abstract scaffold
best enchant for sin on weaps?
devout jolt
thanks @warm parcel should i use it if it procs on over 30 or is it a waste then?
warm parcel
How would a free spell be waste
devout jolt
my bad, didnt read the full tool tip to see it was free energy, I just thought it procced for better dmg 😦
warm parcel
vestal dune
Take into account blindside is only good for -3 targets, I am always running the aoe talents for now
warm parcel
Yeah I wouldnt really use bs for 5 mans
devout jolt
yeah, its not that much better than the aoe specc tbh just wanted to make sure I know how to use it
unkempt pond
355 clock uwot
unkempt pond
cant you buy a 310 for like 10k
dark token
im saving money for darkmoon decks
this is what happens when you sell all your gold before you quit omegalul
terse thunder
you can buy 2x 300gs fistweapons for 800g each
vestal dune
Yup
Sucks when wqs give swords or other non dagger weapons :/
Still using a 300ilvl offhand because of that
terse thunder
sorry soviet thought you'd be outlaw
rancid escarp
Are you simming with or without buffs?
abstract scaffold
what enchant are we running
lone junco
@dark token these dropped first time for me. prob the last luck Ill have for the year.
tight meteor
🔫
dark token
i set my lootspec to sub after the bosses dropped that
no daggers at all
its been a week
kms
lone junco
ive only done like 3m0 so far.
tight meteor
🔫 tilt
lone junco
but was 304 so I couldnt q for heroics yet
ended the day at 316
you can get 300 daggers from the AH for like 8k
nimble tartan
you guys had the loot tables
its further confirmed this week tbh
rogue i did m0s with got 5 boots
lone junco
neck 13 is a bummer. got my 10ilvl for friendly. but still cant activate traits on 325 heroic gear
nimble tartan
idk how people are 19 neck already
tight meteor
noobe you doing mythic this expac
lone junco
so this is going to be a fun raid. Ooo 3 copies of the same 370 gear I cant use or pass.
nimble tartan
or close to it
tight meteor
or heroic again
lone junco
we recruited up to 30x for our heroic squad. by the time we make it through heroic in a month, we should have lost about 6. means we can dabble in mythic.
lone junco
29-30
tight meteor
but thats a deep roster for heroic
lone junco
tbh, we recruited so that we could keep our 6 core melee.
tight meteor
6 melee sounds like a lot
lone junco
no one wanted to switch
we did avatar with like 10
fucking lols
ok you stand against the wall.
you stand close melee you stand back
did make tich a blast though. 2 ranged that werent healers.
vestal dune
Cannot see gear with the phone, but dagger dmg matters a lot for the dps
lone junco
try gear swapping in a fathoms trinket
lone junco
you have 7 pieces without haste.
I was just saying to test it in gear compare and see what gain you are missing out on.
if its only like 300dps or 2k
mossy flicker
ohh ok !
but I don't want to stack too much haste, on the guide they said haste is the best stats for ST but the worst fort MT
vestal dune
Azerite traits and trinkets can make a big difference too
lone junco
get 2 gear sets?
mossy flicker
Single Target
Agility
Haste
Critical Strike
Mastery
Versatility
Multi Target
Agility
Critical Strike
Mastery
Versatility
Haste
sorry for the spam lol but I don't understand how haste can lose its value like that
vestal dune
Sim yourself, those values change depending what you have
mossy flicker
I did it it's the same
mossy flicker
I didn't put food and buffss
I'm newbie with raibot 😄
(newbie with english too :<)
vestal dune
It has those by default tho
I have a 325 main dagger and a 300 off hand and I sim around 8'5K-8'7K single target without buffs
335 ilvl
mossy flicker
9'5k is ok so?
lone junco
dps is low until it isnt. I havent seen an 11k sin sim yet. so just keep working
jaunty lagoon
does shrouded suffocation stack up... i.e. generate 5 combos
wanton estuary
what do you think i should improve first. seems i do ok, ageinst players and, ok i dungeons to
jaunty lagoon
and if it doesnt stack combo points... is it worth having two SS traits for the additional dmg
slender sandal
@jaunty lagoon it doesnt stack combo points
vestal dune
It is when they fix the bug
jaunty lagoon
so it will in the future?
jaunty lagoon
so should i stack SS
i just got some shoulders that have it
but i already have a chest that has it on
vestal dune
Until blizzard hotfixes it, stacking them doesnt give dmg
jaunty lagoon
okay so use the other trait and if they fix it reroll it
warm parcel
Every trait in game stacks dmg parts of the trait
candid phoenix
SS does not stack
confirmed by using blue azerite itms
u still get only 2 extra combos
jaunty lagoon
i just simmed it
stacking them gave me 200dps less than using the alternative trait
warm parcel
Ss stacks just fine
But as I literally have said a million times
Ss is just broken right now
And grants no damage
1 2 or 3 traits
mossy hazel
Looking at the traits in the guide right now and I'm realizing I've literally never seen any of those particular inner traits...
vestal dune
They are only on mythic azerite gear so far I relieve
mossy hazel
That's fair. Kind of assumed they were exclusive to higher gear
mossy hazel
Oh
Those of you running mythics, what are you simming around right now?
I'm like 309 right now simming 7.7
tight meteor
not sure for sin but every other spec is around 11-12k
steady wharf
339 simming 10.1k
slender sandal
330 simming 9.6
tight meteor
are you guys using the broken trait or badly optimized
numbers seem kinda low
no offense
candid phoenix
Shrouded Suffocation does NOT stack in game. like i said i used 2 rare azerite armor pieces with SS on them and... combo do not stack, Dmg did not stack either.
steady wharf
Don't think I'm using broken trait
slender sandal
Well im yet to see haste gear drops also using ss
mossy hazel
I feel like the combo points shouldn't stack on SS
slender sandal
They dont
tight meteor
it doesnt
slender sandal
Dmg should but ita broken
mossy hazel
I know it doesn't right now, but everyone's saying it's broken
tight meteor
its not broken that way
candid phoenix
its dumb even when u think aobut it
warm parcel
@candid phoenix
Dude
It does stack in dmg just like every trait in game
And as I just said
Its currently just not working
Thank you
frank aspen
vestal dune
Not if I can get more dps than the pally
dark isle
solid nova
Do my azerite traits stack?
Yes, Purely the damage component stacks (This excludes CDR, Buff durations etc). For a more conclusive answer in regards to a specific trait, please check the Herodamage breakdowns in the pins below.
lone junco
But Richard. If I have one Lasagna and stack it on top of another lasagna, i only have one lasagna.
prisma gull
But its bigger
fervent mural
The garrote AZ-trait is useless in pve right?
I have had some fun with it in pvp. But since the pvp aspect is not live yett i want to build my silly rogue stronger
And thoughts on poison spec over bleed focus?
Sorry for silly questions havent played for 5years
stark token
vestal dune
But currently its buged and gives no extra dmg
wanton estuary
Is the garraote trait bugged? the one that gives youi 2 ekstra combo points?
vestal dune
The dmg part doesnt work rn
wanton estuary
kk
wanton estuary
ye getting the compo points
west frost
Someone needs to pin "yes shrouded suffocation is bugged"
strange python
are people running the st spec in mythics? feels like sin should focus on their strenghts right? I guess it depends on group makeup
Should pin all the bugged stuff like dagger in the back too
dapper plover
how would i write a macro to cast deadly poison then crippling poison so i only need to press one button?
warm parcel
castsequence
You can just see wowwiki for macro writing
dapper plover
thanks
weak oak
Can someone link the bfa sin guide
sacred ore
guys do artifact armors with the same names have the same artifact traits?
grim bluff
What are people running for Mythics? Should i take Crimson Tempest or just stick with Poison Bomb?
vestal dune
Crimson is better for aoe as long as mobs live long enough, if you are going with a geared dh, war, mage... dont even Bother with crimson
hardy anchor
Anyone got thoughts on Ruinous Bolt vs Unstable Catalyst?
I've been picking almost exclusively stat proc traits so far, is Ruinous strong?
compact cargo
We're not doing the thing where we spam Envenom at 3CP+ to keep EP uptime are we?
I figured that was obsolete
mossy hazel
Does anyone know off hand if there are any "aoe" or "cleave" boss fights in uldir that would make the multitarget build meaningful?
royal lantern
zul is multitarget i think
strange python
but you can't tank all the stuff together all the time
true ingot
You can tank enough of it together
jaunty lagoon
hi, quick question, if i keep my loot spec in assassination i can also gear up my other specs easily (mostly sub) because all azerite pieces have a trait for each spec... so i just choose which piece i want for each spe
so i never have to change out of sin loot spec
and can keep all the gear i need for sin, and use some azerite pieces i dont need for sub
since loot is identical for the two
strange python
Rogue loot-spec choice only affects weapon drops as far as I know (if you want a sword/mace/axe you select Outlaw)
jaunty lagoon
yeah i have no interest in outlaw
so if i just stay in sin (my main) and get all the loot i need. if there are other azerite pieces i dont need i can choose the sub traits on them and have 2 separate gear sets for the two
strange python
dont just trash azerite gear "you don`t need", could always be good for your other spec
jaunty lagoon
or so i can play sub, while still having loot spec in sin
jaunty lagoon
it doesnt matter what i play or have my loot spec in i will get the same stuff
yeah
agile bane
Any tested if shrouded suffocation works lately?
midnight ledge
Hey guys first time posting here. U guys having problems getting proper loot to optimize sin?
strange python
I mean after just 1 week of clearing m0 dungeons jeah
I just take whatever is higher i-lvl because that is an upgrade for me most of the time even with shit stats
mossy hazel
That will improve with better haste though which is what we really want
mossy hazel
My gear is literal garbage right now but I actually feel like my aoe regen is better than my single target since I have so many more ruptures and garrotes up
strange python
hmm? I feel once you are setup in AoE I cant keep up with how much energy I get
midnight ledge
Kinda the opposite for me FoK even with 3/4 mobs and get lower cps then before
strange python
the setup itself takes a while but when you dont have a Havoc or something in your group you should get there in time to not feel useless ^^
midnight ledge
I can push it to 20k on the opener with cds and procs but then it drops alot even if i keep up garrote and rupture
mossy hazel
I mean with the current low haste levels, it seems like aoe is actually where sin is shining right now
strange python
IF the trash doesn't die too fast
mossy hazel
I think you might be right on that actually
But I think my current haste is around 14%? don't have it in front of me
My ilvl is also only like 308 right now too so
Take that with a grain of salt
midnight ledge
@mossy hazel got the bis blue trinkets?
midnight ledge
Azerokk's Resonating Heart and Galecaller's Boon
strange python
sure about that? seems pretty low on the sims
the heart atleast
Galecaller is rly good
midnight ledge
Galecaller's Boon wanna trade that really fast lose dps everytime they move the boss
mossy hazel
I am not sure about that at all, I thought I had read it recently
midnight ledge
Cuz u get out of the thing in the flour
strange python
mossy hazel
But it's also the best trinket I've been able to get so far
midnight ledge
U guys advise to switch Galecaller's Boon with darkmoon fathoms and keep azerokk's resonating heart?
maiden raptor
Just to make sure. When you got the shrouded suffocation trait more than once. Do you actually generate 2 more combo points for every time you got the trait? Or does only the damage stack?
maiden raptor
😂 damn tbh i was kinda hoping it would give me 5cp per garote
agile bane
are we sure the damage works right now? cuz it was bugged before
warm parcel
Still not working
mossy hazel
Man, SS apparently THE topic of discussion today...
zenith oak
i upgraded an azurite item and lost my shrouded suffocation trait to gain 20 ilvls....pretty sure that was a mistake. and i scrapped the item so i cant go back 😦
strange python
I dont think any single trait is worth 20 i-lvl but I could be wrong
zenith oak
Maybe, tbh it's probably worth doing, but it feels significantly worse.
Kind of new here, been lurking for a bit. can someone tell me how to view these talents? "Talents: 2210031 or 2230031" ?
zenith oak
oh, alright. that works thanks
strange python
0 means "whatever"
zenith oak
Ya i figured. Thanks guys
royal lantern
18%crit 16%haste and mastery is the highest stat weight now for me? strange
i thought crit would be higher
fervent mural
Ngl. Id stay haste/crit til haste 50% and crit is 33% 🙃
lofty junco
@solid nova could ya make a pin that the SS trait only worked for 2 CP's and gives no dmg?
valid junco
Any news on the Engineer head traits ? 50% of em seems to be broken and not working properly
valid junco
[Ricocheting Inflatable Pyrosaw] has no range and pulls non agroed mobs , this is the big one. And then the [Barrage Of Many Bombs] seems to clip trough roofs and the small bombs explode upstairs 😄
choose one of those and 100% wipe in mythics
valid junco
ya but not teleportation bomb
it goes trough the ceiling , in caverns it just disappears in rock
midnight ledge
Is it possible to see it shining in the sky?
valid junco
Prog rate is high so this could be awesome with some fixing. but in the state its now its not usable.
mossy hazel
God damn, that's crazy
dense quest
is that 4 active enemies or random not in combat enemies?
valid junco
random , range between 50-100
strange python
That seems like a fun trait
copper pine
Is there any big different in the rotation and playstyle to legion for Assa ? Doesnt seem so or ? 😄
weak isle
No kingsbane thats all
And leggos gone so everything you did only for those is gone or replaced in thd rotation
royal lantern
no kingsbane, right now lower apm, aoe without rng with CT
strange python
Kingsbane taken before his time. Rip
copper pine
Ok and Garotte ist more important then i legion i guess. Is it just a feeling from me or is Assa atm the "worst" spec for rogue ? I tried now all 3 specs in bfa
lone junco
Caveat: Balance pending heroic week,
I'm not too excited by it.
Outlaw gets secondary from the bones to help it limp along early
late goblet
Hey, is shrouded suffocation still the best trait if you already have it? All 3 of my pieces have it on
strange python
@copper pine what makes you feel it is the worst spec?
solemn furnace
chrome stag
I have shrouded suffo trait on both head and arms, should I pick both of them or it doesn't work?
shoulders*
late goblet
You get the extra damage but not the combo points
btw how do i go about simming the difference between traits?
sim with 1 trait then sim with 2nd and compare?
chrome stag
ty
lone junco
@late goblet top gear lets you select multiple traits on multiple pieces. Just pick the highest ilvl for each trait you own per slot. Set to "smart sim"
It will do like 60 sets.
neat shell
did they fixed shrouded suff ?
urban storm
Top gear is an option on raidbots, the most commonly used website to sim
late goblet
Ah, thank you!
lone junco
Use the /simc addon to copy your gear and bags. And paste in raidbots.
versed finch
So SS bonus damage does work? And does it stack? It's just the bonus combo points don't stack?
I've been lurking in the disc over the past few days and I thought the consensus was that ss only gave combo points and no bonus damage
royal lantern
combo points work, no, you dont get more combo points by stacking the trait, only more dmg, the dmg doesnt work
cus its bugged right now
strange python
i feel like it is intended to give both, as many other classes stack the same trait across multiple pieces
and ss is not labeled as a unique passive either
standby, im sure it gets fixed soon
versed finch
Ok, I keep hearing different things. That the damage works on mobs but not on dummy
So for sure as of right now go with other traits but save pieces with ss for when fixed?
strange python
I would certainly hold on to them
royal lantern
thats wath i do
versed finch
Yeah that's what I've been doing
royal lantern
you should not scrap/sell azerite gear too fast anyway
versed finch
Yeah, I've only got a few 340 azerite pieces anyways. But I do have a head and chest with ss on them just waiting
strange python
Arms war stacks one trait across their pieces, and its like their top damage dealer. Im sure ss is meant to stack as well.
royal lantern
btw guys, how do traits like blightborn infusion work when stacked? procs more often? proc stronger?
versed finch
I havent used it so I'm not sure
strange python
this new garrote build rulez imo
versed finch
All bfa? Like a for a week?
autumn canyon
Did anyone know the first trait from the enginer glasses (head)
tropic osprey
if i take 3 times shrouded suffercation, will i gain any dmg at all? are they still bugged? 😃
true ingot
Still bugged
tropic osprey
incredible
strange python
That stinks that it's still bugged
true ingot
We've had two hotfixes in as many days fixing some broken stuff so with any luck it'll be resolved in the next day or two
ebon bramble
quick question
do our poisons benefit from the 5% physical debuff or magical debuff?
sacred ore
guys do artifact armors with the same names have the same artifact traits?
golden tartan
Is poison physical damage?
lofty sand
its nature damage
strange python
Anyone know if the plague grenade is nature damage or just regular poison
And if it works with 
plain thistle
@golden tartan poison is magic damage (nature damage = poison)
lone junco
@plain thistle Raid progress, are you staying sin?
gleaming eagle
plain thistle
@lone junco probably not, playing sub right now
round ledge
2 questions I guess;
1 -- does crimson tempest do good burst AoE damage?
2 -- Is the AoE increase from CT worth the ST decrease from not taking PB?
vestal wren
1 no
2 depends
round ledge
so are we basically just doomed to have shit aoe?
i guess it'll get better as the trash gets harder cause poison lol
visual mist
we got a trinket list?
quiet atlas
Am i supposed to be doing the least dps in a dungeon, or am i doing something wrong?
lone junco
Bosses would be top.
visual mist
maybe shit dies to fast
lone junco
Long sustained cleave is good.
Fast burst cleave is shit.
But mark resets on trash that shows up during bosses will benefit outlaw.
plain thistle
@vestal wren the nerf to CT made it not worth to spam for 3+ targets? or the lack of T21+low haste+low crit forced us to multi dot more for energy(with garrote and rupture) and that made CT not that good?
lone junco
T21. And changes to VR
plain thistle
because on the pre patch CT was super good for burst AoE, spamming the shit out of it
vestal wren
you can head to Herodamage, ye ct seems like a niche talent
i dont rly understand the nerf, it was not overpowered before
lone junco
Seliathan was pretty disappointed. After 3garrote rupture. We runlow on E. tab rupture 2+ cp. with 3x agi buffs.
plain thistle
yeah, it was good, but because we really didnt need to rupture that much on multi target for energy and could spend all our combo point on CT
plain thistle
the nerf was what? 10% to the initial damage or more?
quiet atlas
So are sin rogues meant to be rubbish in dungeons? Or am I doing something wrong?
lone junco
10overall I thought. So prob the hit and dot.
But energy gain rate is what is giving us headaches.
Mut reduction instead of bleed on poison.
FOK Ct FOK Ct Was gold.
Good luck with that now.
quiet atlas
So...?
plain thistle
yes, if you mean for mythic+0 yes, sin isnt that good
trash dies too fast for our bleeds
quiet atlas
I did the worst dps in a heroic
lone junco
Yeah. Dh fel barrage. etc.
quiet atlas
The healer did better than me
plain thistle
heroic? even worse
quiet atlas
The healer made fun of me
cinder palm
It’ll get better with higher haste
Hang in there
But you have two other specs to play too 😃
cinder palm
It depends on your current gear, best thing to do is sim yourself so you can get stat weights
Bleeds scale with haste now
quiet atlas
Shall I aim myself and send a screenshot?
cinder palm
And it also goes into your energy regeneration
quiet atlas
Sim*
cinder palm
Sim your stat weights so you can see what stats you need most and work towards that
I’m betting anything it’s haste 😃
quiet atlas
I’ve weighed the stats
How do I determine what to work on
Is it the lowest stat that I work on?
quartz marten
Nope, the lowest means tha a point ie for me versatility is an 1.22 dps increase while 1 point toward haste is an increase of 1,76
cerulean walrus
You want to typically aim for the stats that are highest in terms of priority
cerulean walrus
Agility is a given, it will pretty much be guaranteed that its the highest stat. If you're aiming for single target you'd want Haste>Crit>Mastery>Vers
strange python
How is dagger in the back bugged again?
cerulean walrus
Its bugged?
strange python
That's what someone said the other day
cerulean walrus
Hm
barren lotus
its fixed
cerulean walrus
No idea... But I've been having problems with the Garrote trait as of late
barren lotus
used to be one debuff per mob
cerulean walrus
Won't grant me the combo points
barren lotus
so only one person in the raid could have it
barren lotus
maybe thats another bug
cerulean walrus
I'm assuming that the garrote trait stacks so I should be getting full combo points off my garrote. But it only gets me up to 3 for some reason if it doesn't crit
cerulean walrus
Hm
barren lotus
unknown as to whether it's intended
cerulean walrus
I mean if it doesn't stack then maybe they should have put "Does not stack"
barren lotus
yeah 😦
cerulean walrus
Cause garrote is completely bonkers right now when pair with subterfuge and that trait
paired*
cerulean walrus
That would be so satisfying
Hopefully the energy starve issue doesn't last too long
fluid burrow
do azerite abilities stack?
fluid burrow
like if i get 2 shrouded suffocation do you get 5 combo points from 1 garrote?
barren lotus
it should
but it does not for that one
no blue so no idea
just stick with 1 for now
strange python
check the pins
the damage stacks (but that specific trait is bugged and it doesn't)
the cp generation does not stack.
barren lotus
pin makes it sound like CP gen is intended to not stack then
fluid burrow
so what would be better? 720 crit proc for 12 sec or 574 extra garrote dmg from stealth?
strange python
Are the Sims taking into account that the garrote trait is bugged?
barren lotus
if you dont have a SS trait, you want one over everything else
strange python
Or is it just going off how it should br
barren lotus
its going off how it affects dps with 1
strange python
What?
barren lotus
i dont know if it assumes the damage stacking works or not, but it doesn't matter
you still run 1 because its still the best
strange python
Yeet
I haven't gotten a dagger one yet I'm kinda pissed
Also engineering is taking forever to level
civic palm
Garrote cannot Crit to trigger Seal Fate O _O
royal lantern
spam craft the boat/hunter ammo too get engineering
strange python
Okay! I'll give it a shot
lone junco
neat. 33% crit avg
22% crit gear
big trinkets
spyglass + dice do a lot of work.
nimble dome
very nice
late goblet
Does top gear sim take into account that multiple SS traits dont stack combo points?
lone junco
They've never stacked cps before. So I assume yes.
final dust
shell crater
Okay, I've come here to actually find an answer to the question, since I've had so many different answers... Assassination Rogue. It's my favourite spec this xpac but... is it bad now? XD
civic palm
No?
supple hearth
No
shell crater
You have no idea how many people have told me that it's shit xD I'm happy to hear it's not xD
supple hearth
Good/bad can be subjective and based on opinion.
None of the rogue specs are bad at all though
Some may be better than others in different scenarios
But none are awful or not worth playing
lone junco
4p20 prepatch subterfuge was pretty great. Rip friendo.
shell crater
Awesome 😄
How does it feel now? What with haste taking over everything and what not
autumn robin
so has anyone found a use for pickpocketing in bfa?
warm zinc
Any1 pliz link me a wa that says on chat when poison bomb is proced
strange python
sin is amazing, idk who thinks otherwise
strange python
outlaw busts its nut then sucks
sacred ore
guys do artifact armors with the same names have the same artifact traits?
shrewd bane
yes but it's still better than sin when you're doing dungeons
strange python
i was running with an outlaw guildy, overall my damage was a lot more consistent
their aoe burst is insane tho
shell crater
Whats the best azerite traits for sin?
strange python
garrote one
strange python
ravenholdt sin guide tells ye which are best for aoe/st
sacred ore
guys which azerite trait should i choose on spymaster's wrap (artifact chest)
civic palm
What are you options?
dapper plover
what are the options
civic palm
Are they listed on the HeroDamage website?
ionic crown
could you have checked the pins?
zenith oak
flat laurel
Is blindside the best single target talent?
copper pine
what did you do for good AoE in m0 ? its unbelievable how weak the AoE is :/
fleet whale
pray for PB rng on every finisher
dapper plover
no
use the combo point user instead of pb (forgot its name)
and just dot
and fan of knives
flat laurel
Crimson Tempest for aoe?
copper pine
is CT really that strong ?
dapper plover
only use it once the dot is about too run out
well yes
it shits on pb
its the only good aoe choice
fleet whale
it is but it's annoying to maintain with such garbage stats
flat laurel
Master Poisoner is strong in aoe right?
fleet whale
brb fok generating 1 cp with five enemies up cause of low crit
copper pine
i have 14% haste an 19% crit shit af 😄
dapper plover
item level?
copper pine
337
dapper plover
you are good then
good haste and crit
you should sim
maybe mastery is worth something now
blissful crown
I run with 310 310 daggers and sim 11k on patch with spy and fathom.
22 crit 12 haste, dno if t hats good
seems so
dapper plover
off hand does very little to dps other then being a stat stick
blissful crown
ilvl 337
aye ok
i see
so basicly, if i dont get a 340 dagger this week
buying the 350 dagger, for MH only wouldnt be bag
dapper plover
is raid coming out next week
copper pine
me too 😄
dapper plover
or week after?
copper pine
week after
blissful crown
335 from emissary u must be horde then
jaunty lagoon
for enchants do you want quick or deadly on main han
copper pine
ok crit is sim higher for me then haste
jaunty lagoon
how much haste do you have?
copper pine
14%
dapper plover
mastery is better then crit for me right now
and haste is almost as good as agi
always sim yourself
plain wraith
So does "Shrouded Suffocation" Trait not stack?