assassination

[royal lantern]

sin needs 2 daggers too use all skills

[deft patio]

hmm how come? before we used 1 dagger 1 sword

[royal lantern]

they changed that in legion

you cant use mulitate unless you use 2 daggers

[deft patio]

ah i see.. so then i got another question...how important is offhand wep? does it scale with skills like one hand wep does?

or just the stats

[hoary copper]

It scales usually above your secondaries

If you sim yourself you'll see the weight of offhand

[deft patio]

so having a high ilvl offhand is as important as high main hand wep?

[strange python]

god damn

im losing haste with every item

at what point does haste scale over agility

[compact vapor]

@strange python same happened wit me every time i looked it kept dropping

[autumn bloom]

thats gonna happen with every item tho

stat squish and secondary pruning

[hoary copper]

@strange python It wont. They made it so primaries will be best over secondaries pretty much always

[icy oar]

guys, which daggers are better for assa? high speed or dmg?

[hoary copper]

Damage, speed doesnt matter

[icy oar]

thanks

lol just noticed, every dagger have the same 1.8 speed, so it doesn't matter

[royal lantern]

isnt speed always the same?

[hoary copper]

There used to be different speeds

1.4 and 1.8 and 2.1 daggers

doesnt matter if there were

[strange python]

energy regen without set piece is a real bitch, hope it improves with gear :/

[wooden crown]

heya, when should I be using exsanguinate? when all my bleeds are stacked on a target or right after aplying a long duration one, like rupture?

[minor thicket]

So apparently Subtelty is the highest DPS rogue now?

[rotund wigeon]

you guys have an idea about an DPS sheet regarding azerite traits? 😃

[hoary copper]

Doesnt matter what sims highest now. Tuning will come and all 3 specs are fine

I think herodamage had azerite stuff

[autumn bloom]

@strange python pretty sure sin will never go back to prepatch level apm

[strange python]

its like watchin paint dry.... soooo slow

[autumn bloom]

I think it's fine Imo

I'm just now hitting 116 tho, wonder how it'll feel without sephuz

Losing 4 piece did suck

[gilded knoll]

maybe in the final tier~

[strange python]

@autumn bloom it gets wayy worse..trust me

[autumn bloom]

Hahah

Sins apm should be in the mid 30s

Feels bizarre when it's not

[still ocean]

its not a dps loss to sit on 5 combo points and pool energy aslong as you dont cap anything right?

like waiting for rupture to go from 12 sec to 6 sec to refresh

instead of risking it dropping off for a second or two

[strange python]

for starters a 5cp rupture should be refreshed at 7.2s

[autumn bloom]

Mostly right shudsy

If you're not capping energy you're generally not losing casts unless it's like a blindsided proc or potential VW gain from multi dotting

[strange python]

but yeah sin is about pacing yourself. chaining envenom buff for as long as possible. refreshing your dots in pandemic. Zzzz.

[autumn bloom]

Pandemic isn't 30% anymore is it?

[strange python]

yes it is.

[autumn bloom]

Thought it got changed to 25

[strange python]

not that I know of.

[still ocean]

https://i.imgur.com/uCyVm1q.png

like in this example

you would pool until it hits 7 sec right?

ignore CDs like vendetta

[strange python]

looks like envenom buff is not up.

[gilded knoll]

and you hae toxic blade up and 5 cp

[strange python]

thats a pretty awkward situation.

[autumn bloom]

By the time he could env tb would be gone

You have vendetta

[still ocean]

i said ignore cds

[autumn bloom]

O

Uhhh

I would envenom when you have enough energy tbh

[still ocean]

priority list.
Should you prio getting envenom off when tb is up?
Prio not rupture falling off?
Prio not garrote falling off?

[autumn bloom]

And then try to garrote mut rupture before they fall off

10 seconds is enough time

You said ignore cds

Do you not count tb as a CD?

[still ocean]

yeah like vendetta and vanish

[strange python]

so I can imply you maybe used one envenom during that tb. which means you didnt prepare for that tb.

[autumn bloom]

That's a weird way to talk about this situation

[still ocean]

So you should pool for a TB to get 2 envenoms off?

[autumn bloom]

Generally you wanna pool before tb comes up to get as many envenoms off as you can

[strange python]

yes

[autumn bloom]

Yes

[still ocean]

this is rly hard outside raids

with this energy regen

[autumn bloom]

No it isn't

[still ocean]

is it a dps increase to delay TB in any way to fit more envenoms?

[autumn bloom]

No

[strange python]

when you first ding 120, it sucks. With the stat scaling.

[autumn bloom]

If you run tb you use it on cd

But if you're not talking about cooldowns and not talking about raids then what are we talking about

[strange python]

yes and no. Instead of delaying tb, you want to track the cooldown so you are not a) low on energy when it comes up, and b) having to refresh your dots during its duration.

[still ocean]

Alright, doable

[strange python]

Just like when you see tb has 7 seconds left or so. Make a decision.

based on your cp and dot levels.

refreshing garrote during tb is not a big deal.

Spending cp on rupture during tb is a huge deal.

[gilded knoll]

as is runing out of energy u.u

[still ocean]

So envenom during TB > refreshing rupture

[strange python]

but you dont want rupture to fall off.

[still ocean]

worst case scenario

[strange python]

worst case scenario you press rupture so it doesnt fall off lol.

[still ocean]

so more important for rupture not to fall off than getting the 2nd envenom?

[strange python]

yes

but I think youre missing the point.

[still ocean]

Im talking like if i messed up somehow and got into this situation

and just getting out of it with a min dps loss

[strange python]

ideally you play wise so you dont get into that situation.

[gilded knoll]

^

plan ahead refresh early if you ahve to

[strange python]

also, it's perfectly fine to use a 3cp rupture before tb.

if it means it wont fall off during tb

[still ocean]

If i see i cant get a 2nd 5 combo point envenom off inside tb, but i can get a 4 combo point one off

should i use it?

[strange python]

could even be a dps increase

I see your problem.

You finish at 4+ cp.

Not 5 only.

[still ocean]

o

cuz mutilate always gives 2, so its a waste to go for 5 unless ur at 3

[strange python]

Mutilating at 4cp is very very bad.

[still ocean]

now that solves most of it

and makes me less energy starved

lel

[strange python]

👍

[lofty junco]

damn i doN't know which terms to set for my talent compare for open world and dungeons atm....

[compact vapor]

@strange python you say mutilating at 4 CP is bad what do you prefer? Energy starved was always a problem

For me

[vagrant linden]

Envenom at 4?

[still ocean]

rupture or envenom, depending on whats needed

if you mutilate at 4 you're throwing away 1 cp which equals 30 energy

= easy energy starve

[vagrant linden]

Is 4 cp rupture okay?

I thought it must be five no matter what

[still ocean]

better than letting it drop off or capping cp/energy i would guess? someone else may have some more info on that

[strange python]

rupture does the same damage per cp

u can do a 3 cp rupture if you really wanted to.

I believe in legion we did a sim with 3 cp ruptures and it was a negligible difference.

[still ocean]

i just noticed, when i do a opener without bl

i end up in a situation where you're at 5 cb, rupture is at like 7-8 seconds

you can fit a 2nd envenom inside the TB, but i could also do a full refresh on the rupture

[vagrant linden]

Connor you just answered everything I've always wondered about assassin in one message

Ty lol

[strange python]

👍

[royal lantern]

you still use the azerite gear with the highest ilvl right?

[strange python]

not necessarily

check which azerite traits sim highest on herodamage.

while questing im sure it doesn't matter.

[split veldt]

is there a vendor somewhere for starting 120 daggers?

[civic palm]

Not that I know of, WQ cover that.

[reef bane]

should i start to worry about those traits on azerite gear on low levels (110) or just go after proper ones at 120?

[civic palm]

The main stat gain for higher item level A.Armor beats our marginally better traits I would imagine.

[reef bane]

sure

ive found a guide on wowhead for the best traits... if any1 wants it:

https://pt.wowhead.com/guides/assassination-rogue-azerite-traits-powers-armor-bfa-battle-for-azeroth#traits-tier-1-st-single-trait

[daring cave]

How up to date are the pins?

[civic palm]

As up-to-date as possible.

Now I know that sounds like a weak answer...

[daring cave]

Lol nah man it's a decent one

[civic palm]

But it's the newest information

[daring cave]

No worries. Was just seeing if anyone was running diff talents n rotation.

[civic palm]

On the note rotations, there are surely people doing things a little differently.

On the note of talents, you have a lot of choice without much DPS loss.

[daring cave]

Thanks @civic palm . If you hear anything I look for it

[supple hearth]

Pins are usually up to date. If there's something that seems irrelevant let the original poster know

[civic palm]

O_OMAO_O

[daring cave]

I've been testing things while playing just wanted to see if others had some good stuff

[still carbon]

Whats the stat priority ?

[civic palm]

Get to 120, SIM yourself to find them, Weapon DPS and then AGI more than likely.

[still carbon]

I mean like in terms of

Haste, Mastery, Etc.

I've been 120 for like

a day now

[civic palm]

When then sim yourself and find them, ezpz. Instructions in PIN if you are lost on that.

[river vessel]

i know its early and no FOR SURE answer but is assassination looking to be the best so far?

[civic palm]

The best for... what?

[river vessel]

pve

[civic palm]

Didn't really narrow things down there... huh?

There are SIMs linked in the Pins with different target counts to help come to that conclusion.

[river vessel]

sorry didnt know that question was hard to answer.... how is assassination doing in the dungeon The MOTHERLODE on the boss Rixxa Fluxflame 23seconds into the fight compared to the other specs?

[civic palm]

If you talking about a single target encounter there's literally a target APL for that situation.

Surely you can figure that out yourself.

[lone junco]

specifically that fight at 23sec timer.

they are doing great.

https://giphy.com/gifs/originals-stick-around-professor-t-urtle-3ov9k7SO9DGnl52spy

[civic palm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/awkward-justin-timberlake-gOmfNDR45WAb6

[minor thicket]

So I read assasination spec is the worst now and sublety is the way to go?

[autumn bloom]

dude you have asked this question like four different times in four different channels

all the specs are fine, there is no best

[river vessel]

me?!

[autumn bloom]

no

[minor thicket]

what are some good sites to learn this spec besides ivy veins

[civic palm]

Top of this channel has the guide.

[royal bronze]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p1WUd9u1MZSd8hEHBraLSB

Does this seem unusually low or is it fine?

Only dinged 120 last night before I slept. Just woke up (OCE)

[strange python]

it's ok

add 2-3% more dps since you selected CT instead of PB

not sure if the apl presses CT on single target

[royal bronze]

true thanks

[primal lance]

Where is the guide for which Azerite trait to pick for the helm?

[royal bronze]

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=azerite_traits&type=trait_stacking&fight_style=patchwerk

[spiral geyser]

hey guys, i'm new to assassination and i've got a question, i've turned off poison bomb in my talents but i'm still getting them come up, is that a normal thing for assassination or am i bugged?

[ionic crown]

what talent have you selected

[spiral geyser]

hidden blades

[ionic crown]

and you're sure you're getting poison bombs

[spiral geyser]

yep

[ionic crown]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spiral geyser]

😦

[autumn bloom]

wait

azerite traits stack?

[hollow jungle]

Yup

[autumn bloom]

does the shrouded suffocation benefit from subterfuge?

the damage bonus i mean

[strange python]

yes

[supple hearth]

@autumn bloom

3x prydaz trait

hehe

[autumn bloom]

DAMN

[supple hearth]

31% of my hp

[autumn bloom]

thats wild

[shy mica]

when running multiple shrouded suffocation

and theres multiple targets

do we do garrote > rupture > garrote > rup?

or just use as many garrotes as possible before spending due to the azerite trait not benefitting outside stealth (subterfuge opening)

[strange python]

I would say subtefuge opening

[lone junco]

@strange python as of last week apl did not press CT in st. so yeah 2.5% from pb.

[ocean nebula]

does the dmg of shrouded suffocation stack if i have skilled it 2 times? cause cb does not

[strange python]

dmg yes

[ocean nebula]

tx

[primal lance]

Resounding protection or vampiric speed?

[thorn crater]

wait how do they stack? i tried to use the multiple combo point from garrote but they dont go over 3

[silver stone]

I thought only the second tier ones stack

I could be wrong though

[ocean nebula]

just read that only the dmg stacks from ss

not the cb more then 3

[frigid jasper]

Is there much point to having more than one Shrouded Suffocation trait?

[ocean nebula]

if u listen to the guide ss is our second best choice

but idk about second point in it

[frigid jasper]

be op if the CP addition stacked

[stuck halo]

I got a second point in it bc the other traits were not so attractive for me

[frigid jasper]

feel free to redirect me but is there a website or link to somewhere that would help me evaluate my traits similar to bloodymallet?

[autumn bloom]

...why wouldnt you just use bloodmallet

[frigid jasper]

wasn't able to find trait scores but found them now

[hollow otter]

What was the point of selecting a roles? Can't believe it is now easier to switch specs on wow now. Anyway, is it now not possible to t-mog Thunderfury for combat rogues?

Outlaw*

[silver stone]

can't tmog legendarys

[ocean nebula]

i have now ss on head shoulder and chest... lets see what the dmg says 😄

[primal lance]

Should I replace mantle with a 280 piece I got?

[hollow jungle]

Are you over 116?

[primal lance]

Nope. 111

[ocean nebula]

use ur legendarys up to 115

after that their effect is off

[primal lance]

Okay thanks

Should I have chosen resounding protection or vampiric speed

[supple pagoda]

vampiric speed

the speed and heal after killing mob is nice

[ocean nebula]

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=azerite_traits&type=trait_stacking&fight_style=patchwerk

[primal lance]

Well damnit I chose resounding protection

[prime knoll]

you can reforge it

[supple pagoda]

yeah its only 5g

[primal lance]

I don’t understand that guide thing at all

[supple pagoda]

ask for the transmogrifier in town

and the reforging guy is there

[prime knoll]

so i assume only the dmg and healing traits parts stack and not the bonus combo points? Like shrouded suffocation for example.

[primal lance]

Can someone kinda explain the bloodmaller link? I don’t follow at all. Sorry if I’m just dumb

[short token]

is there any guide on azerite traits?

[thorn crater]

do we have a prio list on artifact traits?

[tough topaz]

[ashen burrow]

Hey guys

just hit 120 !!

what do u guys think is the best spec rn for rogues :?

most rounded with some aoe and single target

[hollow jungle]

Sub 😄

[strange python]

tuning isnt done who knows

[ashen burrow]

is sub in a good spot rn ?

[hollow jungle]

👌

[ashen burrow]

I keep seeing Assassination above sub in some dps charts and sub above assassination in others lol

[naive scarab]

Hello community ...

[hollow jungle]

Dps charts will probably change every Tuesday until mythic raid or even more frequent

[naive scarab]

does the effect of twisted knife stack? ... eg if i have tk in both helm and chest

[frail gate]

any word on what azerite traits to pick yet?

[balmy condor]

!pins

bloodmallet is updated

[frail gate]

okay thanks

didn't know where exactly to look for azerite stuff

[balmy condor]

@frail gate https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_subtlety?data_view=azerite_traits&type=trait_stacking&fight_style=patchwerk

thats sub

but apply same logic to sin

[rocky quiver]

How kmportant are artifacts in bfa?

Important*

Do you still get lvl120 equipment with artifact powers?

[strange python]

your only artifact is the necklace

your second question doesnt make any sense

Sounds like you need to read patch notes and maybe come back with rogue related questions

[slim olive]

You're artifact weapons become irrelevant around half way through the leveling process

So not that important

@rocky quiver

[gentle belfry]

Whats everything I should do now that im 120 before reset? is there a list somewhere?

[rocky quiver]

what reset @gentle belfry

[orchid escarp]

just got this beauty from a random mob

[prisma gull]

Gratz on your newfound fortune

[fair rain]

How’s everyone doing so far

[pallid hound]

IM ultra behind in ilvl even tho i got 120 like 9-10 hours after release since instantly got a lot of irl stuff to do

and i dont know how to farm rep

and im also sad my assa damage isnt that high

aaand I still can't decide which spec i wanna play since I heard sub will be kind of M+ and not decided who's gonna rock raids yet

[pallid hound]

im actually worried about my dps so far sad face

[calm cedar]

Same. My DPS seems lack luster. PLayed a BG ad was barely touching my oponents.

Do a little better PvE, but don't feel as bursty

[thin plinth]

hello guys, is there anything i can do for the energy regen except of vigor ? Since we dont have the 4 set anymore, assa feels very slow ...

[prime knoll]

Haste

[safe matrix]

you still also have venomous wounds for regen in AoE

[cerulean aspen]

Ive gotten resounding protection twice now its a shield ability that automatically recharges every 30 seconds for 30 seconds. Will it stack if i activate it twice does anyone know?

[worn magnet]

what lving zone would u guys recomend first for hord?

horde*

[warm parcel]

Every trait stacks

Whatd be the point of them otherwise

[frozen pecan]

@worn magnet vuldun

[wise whale]

does anyone know where you can get the dooms wake trinket?

oh its a random drop

thats crazy it will cost so much

[delicate crater]

Anyone know if Shrouded Suffocation is working correctly?

[royal bronze]

Hey guys going off this guide
http://www.ravenholdt.net/battle-for-azeroth-quickstart-guides/
Would that mean that Blindside is now BiS as it says 3210021

Haven't seen anyone swap off to it yet. Is there a reason it is going to pull ahead?

[strange python]

stupid question, but is the cache in dalaran where we used to get it?

[devout jolt]

yeah, Legion is still where we left it.

[pallid hound]

DID 1 Expedition and usually i was a bit behind in dps compared to one outlaw rogue

@royal bronze blindside is a single target talent, u dont use it yet because most of the contet u do So far is more aoe based ^^

[royal bronze]

So it's not worth taking over EP?

[radiant lagoon]

My Energy regen seems REALLY low, what haste should i be aiming for? as much as possible? 30%?

[warm parcel]

No caps

Assa is just slowest spec in game

[ionic crown]

if you're trying to play sin as a spam spec, i have bad news

[wicked plover]

guys what talents u using now as assassin 1212321?

[old pike]

Hello which neck enchant is suitable? Legion enchants? I can't ifind any bfa neck enchants?

[fair charm]

because encahnters haven't maybe leveled that far yet and started selling them on AH

[old pike]

But even looking at unlearned - there are no neck enchants in bfa?

[fair charm]

there is

or wait...

not on my enchanter now, may remember wrong

[warm parcel]

You cant even enchant it

[pallid hound]

so its not like i do low dps as assa, assa just needs longer fights to shine? ^^

[maiden raptor]

does the energy game change at 120? Well hope someone knows. Because i'm energystarved a lot while leveling

[pallid hound]

any idea which specc is the best for world content ? ^^

[silver stone]

You guys are cancerous

There’s no best role for world content only whatever role you enjoy playing

[pallid hound]

why toxic dude

[sweet pecan]

all abilities that do x when y happens every 6 seconds, if you get them twice, will do 2x when y happens every 6 seconds

also getting that heal you when you get hit every 6 seconds thing, i got 3 traits like that

i can take out those elite mobs you need a party of 3 for on my own, without dropping below 90%

[strange python]

Leeching poison lets you solo pretty much everything that requires more than one person without your hp dipping

[tough lantern]

azerite traits stack?

if i have dagger in back x2 will it double up?

[wise whale]

yes but it will not double 1 to 1

sometimes the damage doubles sometimes the proc chance doubles and so on

[tough lantern]

ah alright

[lofty junco]

have someone a aura for dark moon trinket?

[wise whale]

is there some site that shows the highest simming gear set for sin?

idealy for preraid available items

i mean hero damage sims have to use the highest simming gear but how do I get it to show it to me

[pine bane]

How good is the darkmoon deck fathoms?

[warm parcel]

Doubling damage makes the trait 2x in power

[wise whale]

check in the pins there is a ranking for the trinkets

[warm parcel]

As it should

[wise whale]

darkmonn deck is pretty high up

[warm parcel]

Doubling dmg and proc makes the scaling too high so thats why only damage scales

[wise whale]

is there really now pre raid BIS list for sin?

i cant fine any

there is one on ICY veins but it only goes up to lvl 300 items and does not include BOE items or items from factions vendors

so it is useless

[river quarry]

what would our ideal haste be roughly?

[wheat zealot]

Whenever it doesnt weigh more than other stats

[river quarry]

ofc I'm just thinking about buying a few boes.

and I'm low as shit

so I was hoping for a rough amount.

[ocean nebula]

there was a list what to do when u reach 120. cant find that anywhere

searched all pins

[wise whale]

i think running dungeons and doing WQ is a better onvestment than buying BOEs

[lofty junco]

have someone a aura for that darkmoon trinket?

[wise whale]

what do you want the aura to do?

isn´t the trinket just random

[lofty junco]

na more like PB tracker to see when its procced

[warm parcel]

There still isnt haste cap

And wont be

[river quarry]

theres a point where it would usually become lower prio

😛

[warm parcel]

Yeah

And noone knows when

Cause its your char

[river quarry]

rip

[wise whale]

blake if you take the pb tracker you could just change the effect id from pb to darkmoon proc

[ionic marsh]

Is "Toxic Blad" supposed to be used as a normal single target ability rather than using it to buff envenom?

[drifting blaze]

how is assasination for leveling 110-120?

[wise whale]

its great , take shoulders and mark for death and every mob is dead in 1 second

and you have no downtime between mobs

[drifting blaze]

sweet thx

[wise whale]

after lvl 116 it gets al ittle slower

but its still fine

svampso just use toxic blade on cooldown

[ionic marsh]

thanks!

[lavish nexus]

hello, should i pck swirling sands or poisoned wired ?

[wise whale]

swirling sand

poisoned wire is really bad

[lavish nexus]

but is it like for 1 mutilate attack or all of them?

[wise whale]

swirling sind is a 2,61% dps increase

poisoned wire only 0,83%

[lavish nexus]

ah, ok tyvm

[wise whale]

1 multilate just like it says in the tooltip

[lavish nexus]

ok kind sir ty

[drifting blaze]

btw is assasination decent at 120 in PvE as wel right now?

cause I heard a lot of good things about outlaw

[wise whale]

every spec in the world of warcraft is decent at 120

is it best for raids? we don´t know because that dependson the patch before the raid

[velvet magnet]

Don't see the alch stone in the sims, any opinions on it?

never mind I see it now sorry

[grim jay]

they seem pretty close overall atm

[wise whale]

only darkmoon deck is way stronger then the rest

[strange python]

darkmoon deck worth it or nah?

[charred moat]

im getting mine for 400k

seems good for it being better than the uldir ones

[wise whale]

its by far the best preraid

and it even beats all the uldir trinkets in mythic version

is mythic 370?

mythic is 360+ yeah then the 355 darkmoon trinket even beats every uldir mythic warforged trinket

if the sims are correct

it does 1000 dps thats crazy

[lofty junco]

hmm where dropped dooms wake? hadn't found it

[cosmic prism]

anyone else feel the spec feels slow and not great to play?

[steep citrus]

welcome to the start of an expansion

[lofty junco]

ahh dooms wake we got from wq whenw arfronts started?

[wise whale]

i thinks dooms wake is a random drop but i am not sure

no its not i dont know

[steep citrus]

it is pvp world boss

or whatever

[devout cipher]

After catching up from last night the posted messages, I just have to say that the people who actually answer questions are Saints with a TON of patience.

Cheers to you all.

I'd have exploded haha.

[strange python]

It's cool until someone is like wHaT iS ThE BeSt sPeC?

[devout cipher]

haha

[wheat zealot]

Yeah especially since we are a fotm now the influx of stupid questions is unreal

[blissful crown]

Are Darkmoon trinket for rogue BiS btw?

[wise whale]

preraid yes

[blissful crown]

Fine 😃

[wise whale]

you can look at the pins for details

does anyone have a preraid BIS list for sin?

[wheat zealot]

This question has been answered many times, there is no bis list with a titanforging system.

[blissful crown]

True

[wise whale]

why not it does notmake sense

there is always bis or do items titanforge to infinity?

i dont think so

[wheat zealot]

[wise whale]

?

[wheat zealot]

There is no bis lists anymore just sim

Your weights will always change

[wise whale]

that doesn´t make sense

[wheat zealot]

Any item can titanforge and be better than an item that was "bis"

[wise whale]

no it cant

max ilvl is 355

[wheat zealot]

And does anything drop 355 base ilvl?

No

[wise whale]

yes darkmonn set for example

[wheat zealot]

Not a drop first of all And agil is the number one stat under

Weapon dps, so ilvl over all

[wise whale]

we bothe know there is a best set of items. all items max titanforged

[wheat zealot]

If you have a 340 that has your number one stats, but you get a 355 titanforge. That titanforge is better

[wise whale]

obviusly

but then what?

thats the best item

[wheat zealot]

Thats why bis lists are obsolete dude sim your self im done here

[knotty dew]

he wants a list with BiS for a given ilvl, let's say all items are 350 or something and then check what's best, but ultimately that does not make sense because that's not how wow works atm, so yes, sim yourself is the only answer

[wise whale]

dudes ivl is capped at 355 for any given item atm

there is a bis list of lvl 355 items

i want to know that list to know what i have to do to get all these items

its silmple

maybe some dungeons dont drop any of these items then i can avoid them

[wheat zealot]

[wise whale]

xD

for what information do i sim myselfe?

for my damage i do not at ilvl 260?

to compare items i have?

[wheat zealot]

For your stat weights, than you know which gear to target

[lone junco]

@wise whale best tool is here

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/

[wheat zealot]

And everytime you get a new piece sim your weights again to finf out which stats are best

[lone junco]

has lists of azerite and trinkets based on spec, 1T, 2T, 3T.

[wise whale]

doesnt help my issue

[silver egret]

[lone junco]

that is the answer?

wot

[wise whale]

a list like that for every gear slot would asnwer my question

but only trinkets does only help partial

[silver egret]

feel free to start that list on your own, cuz you wont find it on the internetz

[wise whale]

ok thank you for the answer

thats a good aswer

[lone junco]

see that? 50% haste target

if it has haste, and ilvl, get it

the end.

(btw, interesting to see it slide away from crit)

[quaint sequoia]

what potion should I use?

agi?

[wise whale]

yes

[strange python]

that list isn't possible for every slot because it depends on your character, what's best for me might not be best for you, trinkets tend not to be dependent on other pieces that's why there is a list for them

[lone junco]

agi and haste is a good place to start. but yeah, rip mastery stacks.

[wise whale]

does everybody disagree with me that there is a theoretical top list of all items in the game at any given possible ilvl for max dps in a 5 min patchwerk fight?

i cant believe it

[silver egret]

yes

[silent crescent]

anyone got good info on azerite traits? ravenholdt has a very different ordering than icy veins, dunno what to trust atm

[strange python]

also a function that would tell you what dungeons to find certain gear used to exist on ask mr robot but it's a premium feature only i think

[zenith trellis]

are you serious or trolling?

[strange python]

use herodamage for azerite lists

[zenith trellis]

theres a goal we ALL try to reach as sin rogues

[lone junco]

you wont get full TF + Sockets on all your pieces you desire

[zenith trellis]

that will only change when patches role out if even at all

[lone junco]

If you get a non TF but yes socket, youll have to deal with that

[zenith trellis]

but until u hit the highest tier of prog you wont get those items

so you ALWAYS

go after the stat prios

[lone junco]

if it is a high crit low haste + socket TF are you going to trash it because it is not high haste low crit?

[silver egret]

[wise whale]

i understand that

[lone junco]

if you could literally buy the shit off a shelf, then there is a bis list

[strange python]

ultimately a list like that would be misleading and would only appease players who don't know what they are doing or how to gear themselves

[lone junco]

but you wont get that

[wise whale]

ok i get it

[lone junco]

i had bis for my Ilvl in legion

but there were probably 3-5 other gear sets that could yield the same numbers

[wise whale]

i asumed it wouldnt be that impossible to get bis but when it is i guess i have to sim myselfe

[lone junco]

no. you always sim yourself, and check your stat weights.

until a certain crit point, you may need crit first etc.

[wise whale]

i totaly understand that

sorry for causing the unrest

[lone junco]

then look for m+ gear, high haste. >> crit else haste>>mastery

and go hunt that down.

[wise whale]

is there a limit to how many sockets can proc on an item?

just for curiosity

[wheat zealot]

Yes just 1

[lone junco]

some people had better socket luck than me in legion. saw high parses from people with like 6+

[wise whale]

i dont like this randomness

i liked it better when you could hunt bis pieces without all the forging an socketing

[lone junco]

ok

[silver egret]

random is fun. and thus outlaw was born

[steep citrus]

eh you can still hunt specific pieces. they just wanted to make sure there was always a reason to keep hunting

and paying that sub

[waxen arch]

IS there a guide for asssassination somewhere when u reach 120?

[autumn bloom]

could try the wowhead or icy veins ones

[wheat zealot]

[waxen arch]

Pins is out dated tho?

[wheat zealot]

Literally the first thing you see when you hit see all pins is the bfa guide for assassination

[waxen arch]

its for the prepatch

idk if it matters tho

[wheat zealot]

Looks up to date to me

[autumn bloom]

its definitely not for the prepatch

because it has azerite traits in it

you goober

[wheat zealot]

[autumn bloom]

ive been playin with exsang and i kinda like it with shrouded suffocation and subterfuge

can open with garrote > 3 cp rup > vendetta > exsang

then keep EP buff up through the whole buffed garrote

then vanish and reapply a buffed garrote

[primal sigil]

are we taking CT for m+ ? or HB ?

[lone junco]

@autumn bloom all of the short single conditions are nice for exsang. but remember that TB actually hits for damage, so we'll see how the tuning works out.

[autumn bloom]

yea

[devout jolt]

I just aged 50 years catching up in this channel...

[ionic crown]

release week gives you gray hairs and aids

[little frigate]

anyone know if y ou can stack azerite traits? like have two pieces with poisoned wire

[devout jolt]

yes you can

[little frigate]

nice, would that mean that 2x poisoned wire would increase crit by1372 rather than 686?

[lone plaza]

Any idea without simming if taking a lower ilvl gear piece with a stronger trait is better than a slightly higher ilvl (5ilvl) with a worse trait?

[hoary copper]

Cant tell without simming

[hollow escarp]

I was about to say the same thing xD

[orchid escarp]

my best friend is playing outlaw with killing spree, it feels way more burstish and op than sin

[lone plaza]

Aha was expecting that, just wasn't sure if certain traits had a certain ilvl equivalent like the netherlight stuff did. xD

[devout jolt]

@little frigate yes

[hollow escarp]

I wish shrouded suffocation would stack combo points..

obvious deeper stratagem xD

[devout jolt]

that would be so op

[hollow escarp]

it's the reverse of mark of death tbh

[devout jolt]

ive stacked ss and am currently one shotting 115's whilst leveling

makes my ego feel good

[hollow escarp]

well, I died to a 113 pala at max level

wanted to delete my char

[devout jolt]

can I have your gold?

[hollow escarp]

XD

[devout jolt]

want the dino mount

[hollow escarp]

neah, I'll proabaly buy that next expansion, where 5mil gold is equivalent to 120k gold

[devout jolt]

as I sit here with not even 500,000

[royal lantern]

300k most gold i ever had

._.

[devout jolt]

i feel that

[strange python]

boys

how come sinister strike macro changes to mutilate

but riposte doesnt change to evasion

are they trying to fuck me up

[hollow escarp]

you mean weak aura?

[strange python]

nah

just an ingame macro

I have a sinister strike ambush macro

and when i change spec to assa, it becomes a mutilate macro

and I was impressed, but my reposte macro didnt change to evasion

[hollow escarp]

just a pure speculation: assassination rogues have sinister strike at low level but it gets changed to Mutilate along the way

it's probably tied to this

[devout jolt]

could be because riposte is also an offensive spell and evasion is completely defensive?

[atomic creek]

So what talent are you guys using in the first row atm?

[wheat zealot]

Situational

[atomic creek]

ST boss you'd go Blindside and dungeons Master Poisoner for example?

That's the choice I'm making atm at least

[wheat zealot]

You got it, but i prefer EP over MP in aoe situations

[atomic creek]

Hm, more rupture damage, makes sense

Gonna have to try it out myself

[wheat zealot]

If you can chain it EP is definetely best, but its hard to chain it with how low of APM assass is rn

It will be possible to chain in aoe though

[atomic creek]

Yeah, that's true

For ST I need more haste to chain it

Well, thanks for the input, I appreciate it 😃

[ionic hemlock]

Going to be a rather silly question is raidbots reliable right now?

[atomic creek]

For sims?

Should be

[strange python]

@hollow escarp you are probably right with that

[ionic hemlock]

hm, ok i tried to sim myself but since I started farming normals and heroics my stats tanked horribly lol

[atomic creek]

Make sure you set the sim up at a comparable situation

[primal lance]

Can someone help me understand the blood mallet guide for Azerite traits? I’m on mobile and it doesn’t make sense to me

[ionic hemlock]

yeah i will do that after I replace some gear on the AH cus I got screwed pretty hard on drops last night lol

[atomic creek]

@primal lance It lists the best traits basically, the colors are item level ranges. If an item's orange bar is further than the green bar for example, it means that that trait is still better even though the iLevel is higher

Orange bar is 340 iLevel, green 355, ...

Obviously it uses items that have specific trait combos in them when it drops

[primal lance]

Okay. Now my question is I have the helm and first trait I took was shrouded suffocation. My second options were vampiric speed and resounding protection. I don’t see where it says which of those is preferable

[atomic creek]

Go to the tab that says "item level"

There is compares traits, not items

[shy wolf]

hey so i'm very new to rogue and i chose to play assassination cuz it seemed quite simple, but something that confused me was if i mutilate and i end up at 3 cp and garrot is on cd or already applied and tb is on cd do i mutilate again or?

[short token]

@shy wolf mutilate to 4-5 combo points yes

[ionic hemlock]

I think for the defensive traits its just personal preference ? I never see a tier list for it. But I basically took anything that gave me me some kinda heal

[royal lantern]

in most cases you do it again cus you should only use finishers at 4-5

[atomic creek]

@ionic hemlock Pretty much, unless you find a boss that has better use for a certain one of the two

[shy wolf]

ok thank you!

[ionic hemlock]

thats what I thought

[shy wolf]

i just hate wasting cp ^^ but that is what i've been doing just wanted to clarify if it was right

[ionic hemlock]

I am running vampiric speed for WQs and Bulwark of Masses + REsounding Protection (gg prydaz)

[atomic creek]

Like if a boss does a gaint hit you might want one that gives a shield, if it does a ticking DoT you might want one that heals you by use of CoS for example

@shy wolf Pretty much impossible to waste 0 CP's, you would waste more by finishing at 3 CP

[shy wolf]

ok thank you so much!

[sly timber]

hows assa feeling in dungeons?

[ionic hemlock]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sE4Emeyk5sUiX7sJu9T5Tv lol I am definitely not doing 6k dps right now 😦 outlaw is kicking my ass in 5 mans haha... hmm time to fix rotation, I think I know the problem though - engery starvation has been a thing lately

[short token]

@sly timber o.O

[atomic creek]

@sly timber I'm doing great in dungeons, just the AoE part is obviously not as good as some classes but it's fun at the moment and the damage is good too

[ionic hemlock]

I like it in dungeons but outlaw has been murdering me in dps lately with lower ilvl weapons @sly timber

[short token]

getting my ass handed to me by warriors and dh's

[atomic creek]

DH's aoe is insanely good though

Their ST is questionably low

[ionic hemlock]

outlaw, punch monks and warriors and some ice mages

kinda beating me atm

[atomic creek]

Talking AoE, there are plenty of classes that can beat us

When you have ST or multi target, we're up there

[wheat zealot]

Chadlaw, nuff said

[atomic creek]

Had a sub Rogue earlier, pretty on par with same iLevel

Give Outlaw a break, they've had a horrible expansion for most of it XD

[ionic hemlock]

Haha

[wheat zealot]

I wont play assassin until raid, i hate it for M+

[shy wolf]

i don't understand sub, and i don't have any weapons for outlaw shrug

[ionic hemlock]

I thought about going outlaw because I like big logs 😛 but I have to give myself credit, i've been a tank or healer for the last 10 expansions or whatever we're at now, and I haven't touched my rogue since TBC, I had a moment when I logged on Monday and saw my sunwell gear and my daggers lol

[atomic creek]

I've been maining Rogue since TBC, never left it 😃

[ionic hemlock]

i had to switch for my guilds back then

we i didn't have too to do anythin but I cared about progression at that time

[atomic creek]

I've had guilds that changed around me refusing to switch XD

[ionic hemlock]

I loved healing, I still do but I don't know what I want to play. I've long since retired my blood dk and disc priest

[atomic creek]

Being honest, I suck as a healer and a tank

But I can play Rogue well, so as long as I can do my job on my main, I'm happy

[ionic hemlock]

we got server first grand crusader in wotlk so I'd say it's worth it bending a little 😉

[wheat zealot]

Yeah, i would still sooner leave a guild than heal

[ionic hemlock]

yeah I didn't realize how much I missed being a rogue, I don't miss long asf que's though

[strange python]

does the longstrider passive stack?

[ionic hemlock]

you get addicted to insta que

and being fully geared a week earlier than rest of the server lol on day 3 ;x

[atomic creek]

All azerite traits stack @strange python

[wheat zealot]

When i play any toon besides my rogue i get bored within a hour

[strange python]

ty

❤

[atomic creek]

@wheat zealot Same XD

[wheat zealot]

But i play all 3 specs of rogue, so keeps me more entertained

[atomic creek]

I can't play casters, too slow

[ionic hemlock]

me either

[atomic creek]

I think warrior is closest to Rogue in speed

[ionic hemlock]

I think I might level my monk next, I kinda want a healer ready to go for mythic raiding just incase lol

for dem split raids ><

whats annoying me right now is the fact that I can't pug walk in heriocs cus they want my raider.io from legion ...wtf?

[atomic creek]

Wait, what?

Really?

I'm glad I had a guild group

[wheat zealot]

Im not suprised, they are super easy though easily doable with half a brain and 290ish ilvl

[ionic hemlock]

yeah

[atomic creek]

I did Heroic at 290 ish as well, they are easily doable

[ionic hemlock]

I tried linking a cutting edge but ...no cus I hated M+ on my main last expac, well I hated everything about legion that forced content on me....

that wasn't good enough

I am 289 right now so maybe thats the problem

[atomic creek]

Asking M+ score for Heroics is a new level of elitism

[ionic hemlock]

It's fine I guess, I will just pug heroics, and as soon as I can figure out what I am missing to unlock WQs i'll do that, while I wait for the rest of my guild.

[strange python]

so blindside isnt that good?

[hoary copper]

There were groups doing them at 280, so it was just that group

[short token]

@rancid current lining up cooldowns, heroism, if envenom buff is up you can pool etc

right now energy is so bad i cna't pool anything

things are dead if i pool

[shut hull]

hey guys just a quick question, would you say the squalls darkmoon trinket would work better with assassination than fathom?

[hoary copper]

[fervent hearth]

What's a good way to get geared quickly at 120?

[fading dust]

Maybe a stupid questionDoes the azerite power. Azerite Forification satck with each other? Its the one were if your stunned, immobillized or knocked back you heal. Will two of them heal for double.

[silver stone]

I believe so

[steep citrus]

@fervent hearth do all your wq to get rep because rep gear eventually. then grind highest level dungeons you're capable of

[fading dust]

Thanks

[fervent hearth]

ty @steep citrus

[summer yoke]

question about azerite talents, if I'm sin right now and switch to sub, I essentially lose those talents right?

[short token]

@summer yoke yes, u can reforge them tho

[lofty junco]

guys with CT in dungeons keep CT on bosses or only adds/trash? and with how many targets don't apply rupture and only spam CT?

[steep citrus]

pretty sure ct is a loss with only one target. with adds, unless they gonna die super fast, seems like maintaining a rupture or 2 woudl still be worth it for the energy?

[spiral frost]

Hey guys, new to the channel and playin a rogue! Does anytime have a good pawn string they could link me? Been playin assassination for about 2 months now really enjoying it making it my main class for bfa

[summer yoke]

@short token thanks for the reply. Is the reforge open right now? Do you know where he's located at?

[steep citrus]

horde or alliance?

well anyway.. https://www.wowhead.com/news=284909/how-to-respec-azerite-traits-in-battle-for-azeroth

[hoary copper]

@spiral frost

[royal lantern]

alliance ofc

[spiral frost]

Will do ty!

[summer yoke]

Thanks!!

[keen spruce]

[full geode]

So which bleeds that we can have affect Venomous Wounds?

oh nevermind it's on the tooltip

[steep citrus]

garr rup internal bleed

[full geode]

does Crimson Tempest activate it?

[steep citrus]

no

[full geode]

dang

[supple hearth]

@junior gorge just wanted to comment on ur post in quick questions. For the past several expansions sin always feels a bit slower at first. It's low apm and it typically starts to feel better once you start getting better gear and traits.

[junior gorge]

@supple hearth thanks man, that's what i thought, i see that bleeds and poison is affected by haste now aswell, and that it says i should focus on haste/crit in the sin guide(for st at least), i bet that will make it seem way better

[versed estuary]

Fun fact: The trait Ruinous Bolt still fires off at random enemies even from stealth. Mistakes were made.

[steep citrus]

it is named "Ruinous"

your mistake was assuming it ruined other people

[versed estuary]

I couldn't figure out what was pulling me from stealth and where the 5-6 mobs were coming from

also it said nearby mobs, but some were at least 30 yards away

[steep citrus]

sounds fun

[supple hearth]

Another fun fact. If u have the prydaz trait and get a bleed on u it won't pull u out of stealth as long as the dot doesn't break the shield

[vagrant tapir]

Do you still run CT after the nerf?

[cosmic prism]

is it bad i can barely solo 2 trash mobs at lvl 120 as assassination rogue?

[fast hatch]

Nope, I'm having the same problem as of current

Died to a 116 Blood DK tank in wpvp

[quaint sequoia]

what weapon enchant are we going for?

[royal lantern]

you get ´´weaker´´ each lvl and only start too gain strenght after you reach 120 and gear up

yes its stupid as hell, but we

[fast hatch]

I'm sitting at 303ilvl and I still hit like a wet noodle

[royal lantern]

well...over time dmg based class is not that great for world content anyway?

[hollow mica]

Hello guys! You all have helped me tremendously in Legion. I've come back for some more guidance! 😄

I'm only going to be playing dungeons and things like that not end game content, is Sin still strong single target as before or should I look into Outlaw?

[azure thistle]

does dmg from Cimson Tempest stack? like if it still has time left and I use again will new dot will be added on or overwrite existing dmg?

[hollow mica]

My bad. Didn't look at resources to not ask that question.

[spice sorrel]

you guys like vigor or MfD for leveling?

[maiden raptor]

vigor all the way. i'm energy starved way too quick tbh

no idea why i hope that's going to change at 120

[cosmic prism]

even with vigor im energy starved

[hollow escarp]

there is a thing called energy pool, sometimes it's ok to wait rather than spamming

[jovial sandal]

Sometimes it's even better to wait than spamming even

Back in the olden days some rogues engaged in an ancient, contraband tactic called energy pooling.

Particularly you wanna dump your mutilated during envenom, and you don't want to clip envenom in excess of pandemic

[heavy forge]

engi goggles, y/n?

[fast hatch]

Yes, I understand it is better to wait, but other than ferals is there a single other class that has to have a downtime waiting for energy to regen?

[heavy forge]

monks maybe

[fast hatch]

Like, basically every other class has something to do for filler

[jovial sandal]

Enjoy the lower apm and reduced carpel risk

You could go outlaw if you want the closest to a gcd capped rogue spec though.

Assassination is like methodical, sub is premeditated, outlaw is facemashing on the keyboard. :p

[safe matrix]

sin is has the lowest APM out of all classes

[hoary copper]

2nd lowest

Unless APM changed from Frost DK

[wheat zealot]

After a long night of raiding my hands say "play assass" lmao

[safe matrix]

oh I didnt know frost dks apm changed to be that low

[civic dagger]

is the garrote azerite trait not stacking intended or a bug?

[steep citrus]

the damage stacks. the cp caps at 3

or better said, the cp bonus does not stack

and i believe that's intended. most traits follow that general rule. damage/healing bonuses stack, mechanic alterations do not

[civic dagger]

ah, i see. believed it to be bugged seeing it didnt stack the additional cps, thanks.

[silver mango]

any ideas on what trinkets are looking strong as a pre-raid goal?

[summer yoke]

[steep citrus]

darkmoon deck + anything

[cedar bramble]

hey

anyone know how good are landois trinket for assa ?

[hoary copper]

Check the info in pins

[primal lance]

I’m fairly new to rogue. What do you guys mean when you say pandemic?

[hoary copper]

I -think- its in the guide. Its basically if the DOT is at 30% or less of its time left it adds on to the time if you refresh it.

[primal lance]

So that’s referring to refreshing garrote at 5.2 seconds or whatever number it is?

[hoary copper]

Yep

[primal lance]

Alright thanks

[hoary copper]

There's a more in depth guide, it might be on the website

http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

You can go to wowhead and look up pandemic and theres a tooltip kinda looking thing that explains it

[fleet whale]

so I heard somewhere that shrouded suffocation had some sort of bug or is that fake news?

[steep citrus]

if you heard it on infowars that's probably fake news

[spiral frost]

Hey does anyone know if you double up on an absorb shield talent on gear does it double the effect?

[hoary copper]

I believe the prydaz effect stacks, its probably additive not multiplicative tho

[spiral frost]

Ah ok ty!

[steep citrus]

i thought it was a fixed number anyway

not a percent of your health

[hoary copper]

It is. I think Giggle or fuu had it at like 17K tho

[spiral frost]

Yeah it says 5000 damage it will absorb.. I’m low ilvl like 240

[primal sigil]

so we cant stack shrouded suffocation ?

[spiral frost]

Just figured if it doubled.. it would be good for world content

[steep citrus]

@primal sigil the damage bonus stacks. but the cp bonus doesn't stack

[primal sigil]

okay going to go 3 stack it ! thanks

[fringe zodiac]

hey is there still a weakaura from someone called wombat on the discord

oh i found it are notters weakauras still up to date?

[solid nova]

No, he's currently on a break from wow.

[worldly seal]

what weapon do i choose for nisha

or is it just pref

all the same

[steep citrus]

you're overthinkign questign

ng

just click one

[royal lantern]

waths the name of the new darkmoon deck again?

[steep citrus]

fathoms

[jaunty ginkgo]

people still running poison bomb for dungeons?

[hoary copper]

[steep citrus]

some prob do. it really depends on your group comp, if you're getting stuck on bosses, how fast/big you pull etc

typically, crimson tempest will porbably do more overall damage in a dungeon

but i think pb will have a place

[barren tree]

So CT is the default tho ?

Like if you queued for random dungeons, what would you use ?

[steep citrus]

outlaw. HAHAHA. I don't know honestly. pb frees up a keybind and you don't have to think about it. but I'd still probably use CT

but random dungeons aren't hard. try both and see what works best

[barren tree]

True

[steep citrus]

if you're rich and it's not mythic plus switch it between trash and bosses

PRO STRATS for EASY CONTENT

[cinder palm]

Sin feeling a little slow compared to 110 to you guys? I’ve got a good amount of haste but am just doing a lot more dmg in other specs :/

[hoary copper]

We dont have tier anymore thats why. Also 2nd lowest APM spec

[royal lantern]

wich spec is slower?

[cinder palm]

I just feel like I should be doing more dmg in sin... I am simming and performing way better as outlaw rn

[hoary copper]

Frost DK

[steep citrus]

as far as the actual numbers, dunno. But the feel is like that at the start of every expansion. otherwise what would happen 3 raid tiers from now when our gear is literally 10 times stronger

we'd be gcd capped if we were already super busy

[royal lantern]

assassination gets faster later in the expac

[quaint sequoia]

what weapon enchant is best?

[hollow escarp]

isn't that in the guide?

[quaint sequoia]

nope checked there first

[civic palm]

IIRC it's 1 crit 1 haste enchant

[opaque tree]

wait, this guide that someone linked on Ravenholdt http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ still says EP is best single target.. thought i remember seeing on that site somewhere at Blindeside pulls ahead in single target, and EP only in multi-target situations

I'm curious to know what people are using for dungeons mainly. I'm sticking with poison bomb as the few dungeons I've done a lot of mobs are so stacked together i'm getting a ton of procs (lucky, but still). I'm just not sure whether to pick Master Poisoner, EP, or Blindside

[civic palm]

Gale-Force Striking + Deadly/Quick Navigation

[opaque tree]

Blindside sims only like 30 dps higher than Master poisoner right now for me, in single target

[civic palm]

If you are fighting 3+ targets PBOMB will never be better than Crimson Tempest.

[opaque tree]

isn't that based on proc chance

[steep citrus]

over the long run. but if pbomb procs it hits harder than crimson

so you can get lucky

[opaque tree]

you have to spend CPs to use Crimson

while you multi rupture targets you could be Poison Bombing, i don't know if I believe that it's always better

[civic palm]

3T

This isn't a question.

[opaque tree]

are you saying even for single target you're picking EP and Crimson?

lol

[cobalt meadow]

Blood Rite or Twist the Knife? Blood Rite being 10% haste boost for me.

[opaque tree]

twist the knife seems pretty nice but i think it'll be better at higher ilvl tbh

i don't know what Blood rite does

[steep citrus]

that's a sustained 3 long lived target pull. i'm not arguing that. but in a short pull, if pbomb procs, it does more aoe damage than crimson

but it just doesn't proc enough to win over a whole dungeon

[civic palm]

pardon?

[cobalt meadow]

@opaque tree It just increases my haste by 10% for 15 seconds and kills refresh the durration

[opaque tree]

but does it proc or something?

so if a kill doens't refresh the duration what procs it again?

[cobalt meadow]

It's just chance on hit to do that.

idk how much of a chance though

[opaque tree]

dude 10% haste is really nice, things are slow right now and that haste is needed this early on

you should probably find that out. personally that seems like the go to in this case, I bet later in the xpac twist the knife is going to be really good.. faster rotations = more envenoms = more twist the knives

right now it's hard to even squeeze 2 envenoms into a toxic blade with no crits 😦

[civic palm]

_>

[cobalt meadow]

you mean a mutilate? xD

[opaque tree]

no.. 2 envenoms

[cobalt meadow]

Why would critting be bad though?

[opaque tree]

it's not bad?

[cobalt meadow]

The way you type it made it seem bad lol

[civic palm]

O _ O

[opaque tree]

i said it's difficult right now with no crits and low haste

to fit 2 envenoms into a toxic blade, especially since it's preferred to use it on Cooldown and not wait longer than 3 seconds

[cobalt meadow]

Lol, i 've never waited on it since prepatch that animation is just lovely

[short token]

let's face it, everything sucsk right now, gotta just grit our teeth thru and hope it gets better as our gear get s better

[opaque tree]

of course!

lol that's what this all comes back to... i said raven should probably take the 10% haste proc, over the twist the knife.. (but I'm not sure) becuase with how slow things are, that could feel pretty smooth in a rotation if it procs often. Since right now things it's difficult at times to fit in 2 envenoms with toxic blade with how low our haste is atm, and with no crits to push it quicker

[cobalt meadow]

I've mained fury forever used to gear reliance lol

[strange python]

Yeah its hard, im sitting at 10% haste total

feels bad

[opaque tree]

I've been playing with blindside and it feels pretty unrewarding. I haven't been able to sit on a boss long enough to get into that hard hitting execute phase, but right now on mobs, or hitting a dummy just to get those procs is few and far between.

[short token]

@strange python yeah i'm at 10 too, it's dreadful

[strange python]

Killing in slow motion 😄

[opaque tree]

I think years ago when we had blindside (which used to be dispatch) it had a higher chance to proc off mutilate, seems like it was nerfed.

I'm at 11% haste... probably feels the same as 10 😛

I guess i'll just be using EP and Crimson for every dungeon >_>

[cobalt meadow]

If I get lucky via procs i'll get 25% haste

feels bad man

[strange python]

i envy you.

[opaque tree]

that's good! Shit that's where I think we wanna be...

I want that trait now.. lol

[lofty junco]

345 galecallers boon dropped^^

[opaque tree]

pre-patch after i reached 25% haste it started to decline in value, so I think that's where we're aiming

[cobalt meadow]

That requires trinket and azerite traits to proc

[opaque tree]

what trinket?

You're saying that you're reaching 25% haste when the Azerite trait you picked AND a specific trinket proc at the same time?

I think the tooltip on Dagger in the Back might be bugged, has anyone else noticed this, or questioned this? When the stacks go from 1-4 on a mob, I don't see the damage increase at all.... am I missing something?

Also, I have 2 armor pieces with that Azerite trait.

[kindred cedar]

How do you simulate azerith armor traits?
you can do that ?
Says "When in doubt, run a simulation for your character and the item(s) in question." on ravenholdt

[opaque tree]

no idea how to sim Az Traits

[kindred cedar]

ah same lol

[lavish terrace]

uhh quick question, most likely was answered for, but does the garrote trait damage stack? I know the combos dont

[strange python]

yes

[lone plaza]

345 weapon drop, but I forgot to change loot spec when I respecced to Assa, so it's for Outlaw. Feelsbad.

[strange python]

The pins do contain the information on Az traits, right?

[lofty junco]

345 galecallers boon dropped^^ how great^^

[short token]

boy the one combo point fan of knives are just fkn brutal

[spring lantern]

I feel like I may end up enjoying Ass a lot more than I would admit right now

[strange python]

it will be good

at the moment now

i hate myself

with the 10% haste

its awful

[spring lantern]

I have 6%

[strange python]

god damn

f

[spring lantern]

I have literally 30 APM

[short token]

is the fan of knives trait worth 15 ilvls on a chest piece?

[spring lantern]

Except if I plat Outlaw

[strange python]

i usually rupture and go get a coffee for my next mutilate

[spring lantern]

I mained Fury/Arms (Whenever it was fukken OP and GCD locked due to dumb rage gen) all throughout legion so non-GCD locked specs still feel weird to me

But I chose the rogue life and it chose me too

[strange python]

with the leech

nah nevermind

ive no reason to complain

[magic fossil]

gosh, just finish a mythic with a sub by my side and im feeling the ugliest girl of the planet. We are so slow... i don't want to change 😦

[short token]

is the weapon speed encahnt worth it?

[strange python]

most likely not, it got nerfed

use the navigation enchants for your top 2 stats

[royal lantern]

idk man, sub does more....but its pretty much only backstab/sstrike spamming

[keen torrent]

Has anyone seen a WA for tracking Harlan's Loaded Dice?

[autumn bloom]

does VW have an ICD?

[strange python]

no

[autumn bloom]

like if you pop exsang on a garrote + ruptured target do you get the normal amount of energy twice as fast?

[strange python]

yes

[autumn bloom]

kk, ty. kinda obvious questions i know but i wanted to be sure

[rustic plume]

anyone know which azerite traits stack?

[strange python]

all of them

but if the trait does something more than just damage, it's just the damage that stacks

[rustic plume]

ah gotcha

thanks

[storm eagle]

Hey guys do we know what the best enchant is?

*weapon enchant

[finite gazelle]

how long yall think the darkmoon trinket will last for us

[hybrid cobalt]

How have you guys been opening on trash packs with Subterfuge and the 2 extra CP garrote trait? Forgoing rupture to fit 3 garrotes into the subterfuge window seems to net the highest damaging opener, but it feels really bad to be wasting 4 CP.

[twin rivet]

got the darkmoon fathom trinket tested it in some dungeon runs. It does ~4%.

[ionic hemlock]

god I love this pirate hat w/ the mask lol

[normal forge]

@ionic hemlock what helm is this?

[thorny maple]

anyone know how the rogue specs are shaping up compared to each other? Is one a break away winner?

[strange python]

I hate asking, I wish I had some analytics to looks at.

look*

[lofty junco]

compared in what? raiding(not out atm), pvp(only open world realy matter atm), dungeons?(its just hc and +0 play what suits ya)

*leveling(pick just what ya love)

[strange python]

what if you dont love anything?

feels bad

[lofty junco]

if ya don't love rogue why ya play it then?

[strange python]

I mean anything in life and in game

how doe sin feel in mythics/general big aoe?

[fossil dove]

If you don't love anything just play outlaw

Then redo all your gear when raid comes out

To sin

[lofty junco]

sin feels a bit slow cause of our low haste, but just love sin so i stay by my love forever xD

[fossil dove]

Yeah I did 120 sin

[thorny maple]

is sin a good bet to be top in raids?

[lofty junco]

there are no raids out so nobody knows

[strange python]

sin is still best single target out of all rogue specs right?

[lofty junco]

let us say its so

[strange python]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lofty junco]

sin is strong in ST atm, but i think nobody will give ya a 100% accurat answer^^

or can^^

[strange python]

gotta wait till raids come out I guess 😄

[lofty junco]

thats the only thing that everyone here will say ya xD

just play what ya love/like and if ya not shure then farm weapons/eq for all 3 speccs in the next weeks

[storm eagle]

Anyone know the good enchants?

[lofty junco]

i would said that 15% attack speed for one

[strange python]

the navigation enchants for your top 2 stats

im new to rogue and boosted one to 110, im playing assassin pretty well so far at 118, tried the other specs and didn't feel as good to me

dont put the same two navigation enchants on both weapons

[storm eagle]

ty connor 😃

[lofty junco]

then stay with sin. don't think about numbers. just paly what ya like^^

ah k connor i had thinked that haste enchant would be good

*attacfkspeed

@strange python had ya tested it? will they procc often?

[strange python]

no

the simc profiles use them, I guess you can go look there

i dont have a weapon worth spending the enchanting mats on 😄

[lofty junco]

yeah me2. but I'm enchanter i will test/sim it in the next days/weeks. now that i know that m+ don't come until the raid is out we have time^^

just love my galecaller trinket. +16% haste on use^^

[strange python]

^^

[lofty junco]

got it 345 in +0 today^^

[strange python]

wow^^

[lofty junco]

yeah was very happy, cause the other trinket in the sheet, "dooms wake" seems oinly dropped for horde and only with warfronts

[tired thistle]

So is anyone leveling with BLindside or is it not worth it

[lofty junco]

1211321 i used

with mantle/sephuz until 116

[tired thistle]

Just about to hit 118 so i dont have leggos anymore Buhuh

[lofty junco]

i think blindside doesn't fit for leveling cause its bad for aoe/cleave multutarget

[hybrid cobalt]

I like Blindside to give a proc component to Assassination, but I don't particularly think that the ability itself is in a place that puts it above EP.