#assassination
strange python
Outlaw is reallyyy fun
And with the run talent
Its fast af
But ass still seems the best in single target and multi I would think outlaw
paper merlin
Hello, I am new to assasination rogue. I just checked out the rotation, although I don't really understand why people use vanish -> garrote. I see that you can apply silence, but that's it?
strange python
A bleed and a combo point if I'm not mistaken
safe matrix
Hello! if you read the tooltip of subterfuge it states that it buffs garrote when cast from stealth 😄
strange python
^^
void yarrow
You get a damage bonus on your Garrote if you use it from stealth with the Subterfuge talent
paper merlin
oooh thanks! I didn't see that
safe matrix
fast nacelle
@safe matrix how much did you pay for this rank
civic palm
Was 100%, nerfed recently to 80%.
safe matrix
bold steppe
What roles am I showing as having?
paper merlin
assasination
dire spoke
click on your name
bold steppe
Ah, neat. Cheers!
hollow moth
Really good for when you gotta cross water as assass and dont get to sprint over it like sub can
oblique pendant
you can also use waterstrider 🤔
hollow moth
Never farmed that shit lol
fast nacelle
gunshoes > skystep
hollow moth
those go so fast
strange python
And if you have shoulders or whatever with speed :o makes life sooo easy
exotic widget
gunshoes work over water?
fast nacelle
yes
exotic widget
excellent
strange python
Also using bear tartar even after nerf
fast nacelle
like SW scenario
you fly faster with checkered flag
or on the RP trips in vol'duun
strange python
Wish I had the patience to farm meteorite
exotic widget
i got some bear tartare and some fighter chow
paper merlin
another question 😛 when do you use envenom?
marble hemlock
too bad the "cant get dazed while mounted" LW thingy only works on broken shore 😦
strange python
They have some for bfa
paper merlin
oki, thanks for the help man 😄
fast nacelle
dont forget to pick herb for leveling
marble hemlock
cant get dazed when you dont mount
strange python
I forgot
fast nacelle
herb is actually good even if you just use it for the ones you find while leveling
marble hemlock
craftboots+sprint+sephuz+skystep should be enough :p
strange python
5% exp crystal for jewelcrafters
oblique pendant
@marble hemlock is this Seliathan rank 1 m+ assassination rogue? 😮
oblique pendant
But does toph play sin?
marble hemlock
that would be me, yes
strange python
Does skystep share a CD with anything else like goblin gliders
marble hemlock
nope, shares CD with combat potions
strange python
Or gun shoes
Dang
I should buy some
Anyways goodnight and good luck leveling later!
zealous dew
morning!
normal galleon
Good morning.
dire spoke
no
river quarry
are we currently op or something
came back went into lfr apparently im 2nd on recount with no clue what the rotation/build is now lul?
that or all of lfr is potato
safe matrix
Lfr isn't a good judge for that, also prepatch has sin in a strong state
river quarry
oh i know im playing like a total shitbag
don't worry
just amazed im anywhere near the top even for lfr after not playing since m nh lol
my gears shit
lol wtf 220 ilv tf
sand jetty
220 is better than alot of lfr, you can start doing lfr at 180 or something
river quarry
ye wtf
good old whacky titanforges
LOL
and a 915 tf
uhh how far off are we from bfa launch btw?
brisk forge
Like 12h 😏
lucid nimbus
no maintenance
lucid nimbus
yea just like legion
brisk forge
Everything is set Already, so hopefully w/o lagg like in Legion
river quarry
so...stay logged in?
lucid nimbus
Probably, yeah
lucid nimbus
That's how it was for legion iirc
river quarry
heh i didn't know that legion launched like that
i think my mum was in hosp for that though
so i think i missed the first 3 days
brisk forge
You Already have d/l the game so
brisk forge
And the patch is up ans running
river quarry
just shoulders/boots?
balmy cradle
i dont think boots will give you any advantage, you dont really have to use vendetta except for elites anyway
balmy cradle
shoulders, cloak, sephuz, kj are my personal favorites, but its not like you are forced to wear them
waist could be nice also
safe matrix
When people refer to boots they usually mean the crafted ones
balmy cradle
oh ic @safe matrix , the crafted ones could be nice too, but not the cdr on vendetta ones
river quarry
insig of ravenholdt?
safe matrix
Sephuz is a solid choice, it's really easy to proc with sap and gives a buttload of haste/movement speed
balmy cradle
basically you want to have effects that allow you to burst higher, run faster or aoe harder, dps is not really important while leveling
safe matrix
Haste is really strong for sin, since bleeds will tick faster
river quarry
i have all of the assass ones
and for outlaw afaik
though i don't really wanna level as outlaw
its probably the better choice though.
i could do kjbw
balmy cradle
i dont think sin is bad at leveling, you can chain your mobs if you can outheal the dmg, like affli locks etc
river quarry
and cloak?
balmy cradle
just spread aids 😄
river quarry
or cloak and sephuz?
balmy cradle
outlaw/sub is more burst 1 down or pull big and aoe burst
cloak is nice for burst but youll have to wait for stacks
river quarry
lol I can't choose :<
balmy cradle
not that you cant do anything without stacks tho
river quarry
pick 3 best kgo?
balmy cradle
ill try cloak kj, playing sub with 2 mage friends
just try and look what suits your playstyle while questing
river quarry
hmm okay
safe matrix
Just so you guys are aware, the cloak and the fok talent are additive
It was nerfed/fixed from multiplicative
river quarry
what are the benefits again?
austere snow
+10% xp and u get to use pvp talents
river quarry
ah
austere snow
But i would not enable it on the magni questline coz its gonna be ton of horde in silithus
Only after i get to kul tiras i will enable it
austere snow
MonkaS
austere snow
I was speaking about lag but alright
atomic creek
What's your guys' plan on which legendaries you're using for leveling?
Since I doubt anyone wants to use shoulders
river quarry
DanneBREToday at 6:16 PM
I will use raven+waist/bracers mostly
Dreadlord on packed enemies easy
Zim042Today at 6:07 PM
shoulders, cloak, sephuz, kj are my personal favorites, but its not like you are forced to wear them
waist could be nice also
atomic creek
Alright, thanks 😃
river quarry
nps
waxen arch
Hold up did they nerf legendaries/talents this week? Havent played for a week
atomic creek
They did a small damage nerf but nothing to talents or legendaries specifically
Just don't wanna use head, chest or shoulders so you can use azerite gear
waxen arch
Alright yeah.
marble hemlock
KJBW was nerfed as far as I'm aware, so its not the go-to legendary for everyone and their mom anymore
river quarry
its time to sell all old raiding gear and delete entire quest log for bfa D:
bai legion.
farewell ol friend
lone junco
@marble hemlock Ur pink now. Is everything ok?
marble hemlock
the powers that be decided to mute everyone who didnt have a role
so i was forced to
against my will
not sure where to complain about that
muted dove
U know for how long?
royal hatch
which azerite piece is best for sin, out of the first 3 you can choose?
lone junco
@royal hatch I will be using the champion of azeroth. its not horrible and it is cross spec. I picked hat first. cause orange shoulders are too strong.
ionic crown
junior gorge
Hey fellow assasssins O.o
atomic creek
Only on NA?
shut bone
does master poisoner effect leeching poison?
golden dust
@river quarry we've already got all the BFA stuff preloaded
it'll be unlocked live at 3pm
shut bone
ow nvm yes it does can see it change in the tooltip
modest oyster
Anyone got an idea of what leggos are best for levelling as sin?
dire spoke
Mantle-sephuz
quick ice
Crafted boots probably up there as an alternative to mantle, too
fallen sandal
Hi, where can I find best azerites traits for assa ? Didn't find them in pins
dire spoke
well once the water is gone a flood isn't bad either, but it's not helping in the moment
burnt lagoon
Man it sucks thats notters WA aint up to date for 8.0.. It was sick :/
solid nova
He's around, just taking a break atm.
shut bone
does sephuz work with Sap?
lament sandal
what profs yall doing? I was herb/enchanting before but thinking of doing herb and alchemy this time
versed estuary
Sephuz does work with sap
strange python
Like druids, do Rogues have a chance of getting caught in stealth mode?
steep obsidian
what do you mean? can people see us in stealth if we get too close?
sure
rogues have a better stealth then druids do though iirc and it hasnt changed over the years
strange python
Does it make them the best gathering class atm comapred to druids?
lament sandal
i mean you have to unstealth to loot herbs
so mobs gonna see you regardless of class but you can sneak through areas easily if you wish
but you can sap
and blind
so if one mob, sap and loot and fly away
wheat zealot
Sky golem or a druid will be most efficient always not stealthing around
surreal solar
Can’t fly yet tho
shut bone
what is the raid buff that rogues bring?
surreal solar
None
potent raft
misdirection
lament sandal
tricks of the trade for tanks i guess
shut bone
our utilty is enough?
lament sandal
good dps and survivability
wheat zealot
Sky golem is still more efficient then stealthing you can run around collecting herbs and not get dismounted and simply train mobs behind you. Saving vanish for if you get dismounted
shut bone
ok. and we can soak mechanics aswell. I hope.
lament sandal
in legion I was usually one of the last to die
potent raft
It has probably been discussed before but why are Bloodmallet and Herodamage saying that Shrouded Suffocation is the best azerite trait, while wowhead says it's Twist the Knife?
How would SS be better when you have a stealthed garrote every 2 minutes or something
river quarry
hmm how long can you afk until you get logged out during launch/?
surreal solar
Bloodmallet is looking at right now, nothing simmed matters atm, wait till Azerite armor actually drops
surreal solar
If you’re looking for solely twist the knife, you’re already cornering yourself to specific pieces anyways
river quarry
jesus christ this wireless media keyboards trackpad is disgusting
nova snow
limpid perch
Hai all! Much excite yass!? 😄
ornate aspen
We all bleed now 😢
limpid perch
eh?
ornate aspen
No more poison role
wheat zealot
All about the bleeds now
limpid perch
so did a lot change on our talent selection?
like there are mostly bleed choices or?
and has the guide up there been updated with suggestions due to bleed build now?
ornate aspen
Haste scales bleeds now, so bleed builds will be a real thing. At least potentially
Nobody knows for sure what we are running, it just launched lol
limpid perch
Oh, I wasn't sure if it was like in beta or something
I didn't dabble in beta
I'll keep an eye out for updated guide 😄
weak pine
Is sephuz proc'd by garrotte silence?
weak pine
boi
lone junco
garrote and sap and kidney and cheapshot and kick and blind
weak pine
Need to decide between mantle boots and sephuz
limpid perch
how long will our leggos be good for
weak pine
'til 116
limpid perch
alright
limpid perch
and when do our weapons get replaced
limpid perch
ah alright I wasn't sure since that one quest had them going nuts with AP if like...they were gonna do something like they blow up haha
weak pine
Nah that already happened
limpid perch
Oh that quest was them blowing up? but we still have them
weak pine
With prepatch the power of our weapons became too great and they lost their special properties
Now they're just regular wepaons
true ingot
They went back to just being equivalent to "Green stick of Kul'tiran smashing"
weak pine
^
I already replaced my artifacts on priest and DH
Can't say no to 240 titanforge catch-up gear
lone junco
sleep imo
river quarry
been up since 9am it's 9pm and it launches at 6am
BUT WHAT IF I WAKE UP TO A GIANT QUEUE
reeeeeee
ah feck it you're probably right ill just do a 48 hr stint when i wake up :>
lone junco
server crashes at launch will make you rage more if you didnt sleep
if you did sleep, then go refill on coffee
river quarry
legion launch didnt have massive queues did it?
true ingot
No.
river quarry
smol queue?
true ingot
Depended on server.
lone junco
legion didnt have ques. but the lag at the quest guy was pretty brutal
steep citrus
it did for some servers
true ingot
Was it? I never saw any lag there, nor did I hear of any Noobe.
steep citrus
but it was a bug, not a population thing
river quarry
Hm okay.
steep citrus
there was a handful of servers that had massive queues for the first week
becuase i think they reduced the pop cap to deal with a separate issue
river quarry
o lawd
steep citrus
stormrage was terrible
but unless you were on one of the problem servers queue times weren't too bad even on the high pop servers.
strange python
There were talks being had that ravenholdt and sephuz are the sin leveling legs
Why not mantle?
barren tree
I think because Raven is going to help with AOE a good bit
lone junco
bleh. im shoulder/sephus. sephuz/zoom boots.
wheat zealot
Sephuz crafted boots bis
barren tree
Serious questions, why don't people use the crafted gloves, don't they give speed boost on kill ?
wheat zealot
If youre outlaw and spec hit and run you go faster than a mount in wisp form
lone junco
there are crafted gloves?
lucid elm
Zoom boots = crafted
barren tree
Gotcha
See it now in the pins, brb while I go garrote myself
Has anyone checked the price of the boots on their server ?
Going to feel real dumb when they are all sold out now...
lone junco
40k for me. i bought 2, sold one for 100k
strange python
I don’t know that it’s all that important
lone junco
free boots.
lucid elm
lol
lofty junco
<--- mantle/sephuz
barren tree
But muh speed...
strange python
Especially if you have shoulder/sephuz
lofty junco
doesn't care for speed when mobs are spread to much. cause theny a mount come in
lone junco
make a gear set hotkey
strange python
Speedset!
lone junco
stormwind scenes dont need speed
strange python
Vroom vroom
lone junco
just shoulders
lofty junco
what ya guys thinking about CT>PB for leveling?= with much aoe situations that would be better i sugess
wheat zealot
do you want a passive that barely even notice or an on use aoe ability?
lone junco
garrote x3 Ct. i guess.
but Im outlaw for leveling cause bladeflurry/blade rush is >>
and hook
wheat zealot
And the cdr on sprint and grappling hook 👌
lofty junco
haven't leveled my outlaw weapon so assa to the end^^
steep citrus
because weapon level matter
lone junco
it is what it is.
barren tree
The only problem I have with outlaw is that I feel naked in the open world PVP when it occurs, I just dont feel it has the same control as sin.
lone junco
if you are skurred of the bones. just garrote things with sephuz
sure.
4p20 still bis
barren tree
Which I gujess wont matter much up until we go to the enemy faction side.
lofty junco
i think i will go with CT, cause PB is full RNG for leveling
wheat zealot
There wont be any world pvp while leveling because the opposite faction has to start their war campaign
barren tree
I thought at 112 you can start the first part and go to the enemy side if you wish
But yea not much interaction
strange python
Is t20 tomb?
lone junco
yeah.
strange python
I always forget
wheat zealot
You could but every single guide reccomends to wait til 120 for war campaign
But some people will start early
barren tree
@wheat zealot Which guide do you have ? Is it just a google doc guide ?
strange python
Only three zones for 10 levels I like that
lofty junco
they are not rogues we are op xD
strange python
It seems like you’ll be finishing the whole zone
wheat zealot
Using one off of reddit i will pm it to you @barren tree
barren tree
Thanks!
lone junco
but ive been dabbling with it for weeks now. the subterfuge garrotes with sephuz are silly good. cheapshot garrote mut kidney bleed, exang next.
barren tree
^ Agree
strange python
I have just been doing garrote>nut>rupt next
lone junco
but i love hook too much.
strange python
Mut*
brisk flicker
Needs more yellow in here
strange python
Interesting kidney bleed and exang
wheat zealot
Only way id use exsang currently is if the fight would be less than 2 minutes because of bad alignment with vendetta now
strange python
Well in pvp which we were talking about most fights don’t last two minutes 1v1
wheat zealot
I never saw 1v1 specificly mentioned
strange python
Is that the argument you want to have here? Like is this the pedantic point you want to hang your hat on and push forward?
gilded sequoia
anyone have any opinions on the azerite traits on engineering goggles?
wheat zealot
Lol
primal lance
Do we need to be in silithus to stat bfa or in sw? I’ve seen mixed answers
hoary copper
I think its a popup
primal lance
So a quest will just pop up to start bfa and tell me to go to silithus then right
sand whale
you can wait at magni
lofty sand
I parked my character in Uldum close to silithus. I'm pretty sure everyone and their mom will be in Silithus which may cause it to crash and send everyone back to their hearthstone point
hoary copper
Probably dont have warmode on tho if you're in sithilus. I guess its already a nightmare
sand whale
probably better off just to park it at magni, the immediate area is a neutral zone atm
if there is server issues it won't be a warmode thing imo
wet yew
Magni is in silithus right ?
strange python
@wet yewyes
wet yew
@strange python ty
strange python
👍
daring orbit
Welp, roled up. Time to get stabby
astral hill
Is that true subtlety will be better at single target dps than assa?
wet yew
See my post in ##385145484559253506 everything is subject to change and also no real world logs are out yet
urban storm
who's rdy to stab things
shadow meadow
Im already doing that
solar quarry
Ruptures refunding energy will be good for lvling as assassination
shadow meadow
and for applying on other targets as well for that sweet damage
solar quarry
Yup I dont fear leveling as sin everyone is just overreacting
lone junco
@gilded sequoia the engineering azerite has bis traits for cleave. A set for m+ and then a raid set for st.
Good idea imo. Easy ilvl and great azerite.
lofty sand
I don't see why it would be a problem to level as sin, it has good survivability, good ST damage and now with the right talents you even get some nice aoe.
sick epoch
i think sin will be best for dudes who want to kill some alliance on the side
oops there goes my bias
hoary copper
All 3 specs are fine
strange python
Your bigot is showing
No just you
You’re literally the only one of the million rogues
Your grey is off too
#rekt
hoary copper
I have shoulders/sephuz at the moment
strange python
If you want a convo then I am using sephuz and shoulders
Because 100% crit and move speed
I’m contemplating running 4pt20
Garrote activates sephuz
It’s basically a free 25% haste
hoary copper
Haste affects bleeds too, its a pretty decent leggo
orchid escarp
true 😛
strange python
?
river quarry
when i login to the game
it's blank
like the char selection screen is black
help? the fuck
doing a repair now but has anyone else encountered this? 😦
hoary copper
He called us all hoes 😦
graceful fern
What talents are you guys goni?
strange python
@river quarry it happened to me on pre patch day
usually when the servers are first coming back up after maintenance
@graceful fern the usual except marked for death, leeching poison
shy mica
what talent u guys taking on 2nd row for lvling
im going flying daggers in wm talents
so it seems nightstalker or MA would be better for the big initial FoK hit
river quarry
how do i fix it @strange python
sorry it sounded good so i went with it @hoary copper
❤
its blank with no characters showing
lofty sand
Ì'm going CT for leveling, just because I like the animation
river quarry
he must've done something to fix
ew
wouldnt i lose all my settings
ree
its still fucked
strange python
when it happened to me it just went away after awhile, my characters eventually loaded
lofty sand
might be server side maybe? They might be having huge traffic due to people doing last time prep?
hoary copper
Still have 5 ish hours left
night breach
what pvp talents will you be taking?
strange python
lmao
strange python
You might get stuck in loading screen
river quarry
oh god don't say this
strange python
thats how it was on pre patch day
hoary copper
They deleted your characters, you cant play anymore
strange python
black screen, loaded after a while, kicked in loading screen
river quarry
what happens now
hoary copper
its what you get for calling us hoes
river quarry
how long until it comes back
hoary copper
Karma
lofty sand
it might just be slow to load
river quarry
character not found
strange python
I cant log into wow right now to check if it's just you
river quarry
?_?
lofty sand
yup, server side
river quarry
ffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
strange python
what realm
river quarry
barthilas
river quarry
oceanic
hoary copper
Servers are all up NA
lofty sand
Ya bunch of people online right now
strange python
realm status says barthilas is fine
strange python
dont OCE servers get the xpac tomorrow anyway
river quarry
same time
hoary copper
BFA is a world release -.-
lost prawn
ok phew. I'm working till 2pm PST and then going home.
strange python
yea I derped
strange python
👋
distant hinge
fingers crossed for no DDoS this year
lost prawn
Yeah, i'm going home in... 4 hours.
think thats enough time to get in and get ready? Lol
trail otter
Guys sorry if I missed it but is there a ranking for azerite traits?
strange python
sweet pecan
where is silithus IS magni though, last i saw he was on a airship
when i did the artifact absorb thingy
tall lichen
In beta I remember him being just to the west of the giant sword
slim jungle
hey guys, is there any youtuber/streamer who focuses on sin pve? been looking everywhere.
steep citrus
if you have a lot of time on your hands, infexious
dapper moat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFsCJvj6dns any idea are these nerfs already put on use? Should be in game already,right?
dapper moat
yes
but theres some more on that video
tried to search up about those but could not find any valid source
sweet pecan
TY for that response @tall lichen you where right, he is to the west of the sword
astral sundial
the new simulcraft APM shows sin rogue at 38... http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T22_Raid.html
vestal wren
sin was always the slowest apm spec
astral sundial
but 38...is a bit much
dapper moat
dps looks still solid for the spec
astral sundial
haha exactly this one kingsbane removed? 😛
vestal wren
the 1 apm loss seems rly tragic
placid egret
😢
tall lichen
NP @sweet pecan
river quarry
wait wut
oi guys my games loading blank again
can someone please try make a toon on Barthilas-Oceanic
try log in/load chars??
sweet pecan
dont you have a guild discord you can ask this in?
tranquil star
FoK Leg+ Talent still good for leveling?
placid egret
Make sure you have the warmode talent as well
placid egret
vestal wren
hehe, the lego back meme that was only relevant for 1 day :/
placid egret
was fun
placid egret
I would say it feels better than CT strictly cause you dont have to spend CP for it
and PB is wishy washy for big AoE pulls if that's your thing
river quarry
just real quick can someone test it?
placid egret
@river quarry it works fine for me
river quarry
😦
wtf
it's still kicking me saying character not found.
blank black screen for like 30s~1m then loads chars finally. then that after failing to load in
if this doesn't stop before launch im going to be so fucked off =/
placid egret
I'd try to restart your game/PC if it's still failing. It's also probably better to talk about this in Off-Topic. You'd get more help.
placid egret
Yeet
tranquil star
alright lets see how itll work out
played outlaw on beta
lvling was fun but also quite slow
placid egret
I'd recommend not having cripple on if you're trying to keep momentum with Gunshoes and Skysteps
safe matrix
It measures how fast the spec plays
strange python
Sin has always been a methodical flow spec with ability timing mattering.
Holding onto an envenom is an action but isn’t a keystroke
It’s just simplistic is my point
Not to say sin is in any way rapid
I just don’t find it a compelling measurement
vernal adder
a good reason to not play sin, only dagger transmogs
strange python
The sin tower daggers are awesome imo
safe matrix
Currently according to sims you should press a button about every two seconds which may feel slow to something like fury warrior where you hit atleast one every second
It's just a metric for people to look at that don't like slow/fast classes
strange python
Lol I want to play outlaw since I got these wicked archaeology swords
I get you liavre it just seems like a weird thing to decide on
vernal adder
its just boring to play
strange python
I press once a second and you press once every 1.5 seconds
Boring af
I just disagree with button presses being a good measure of depth
But perhaps I’m not the target demo
zealous lily
it's not
i mean look at DH
you build and you spend, press cds off cd
you mash spacebar a lot but it requires no timing
lament dove
I hate button mashing specs, I am a cold blooded calculating assassin
zealous lily
even outlaw is more complex with RTB changing your rotation around, having energy, and constant CDR going
lone junco
outlaw vs assasin for me comes down to vendetta. It sucks for swaps, but strong for st.
zealous lily
assassin APM was wayyyy higher with prepatch and good haste but it will go back way down at 120
so you use assassin when you don't really have to swap and use outlaw or sub for when you do though swapping also sucks a little as sub
fortunately a lot more convenient in bfa
just need one sword and two daggers then you're all gud
vivid hill
best leveling legendaries?
strange python
shoulders, sephuz, crafted boots
vivid hill
ty
hoary copper
oblique raven
What's good fellas, been a while since I've been active on discord. How's everyone's excitement ;p
vernal adder
safe matrix
moon2N it's okay I guess moon2N
oblique raven
Orly?
royal lantern
we should rename this channel into check the pins for the next few days
supple mesa
Crap where is the link to the azerite simms
hoary copper
herodamage
steep citrus
call my head
supple mesa
Oh wait I was looking in chadlaw. 🥕 trait is strong
silent gale
hollow raptor
so many of us going to level as sin?
steep citrus
speed i guess. and sephuz is also a decent damage legendary
lone junco
@silent gale for runspeed. and haste is a prio stat for almost all specs now.
final dawn
guys, what are u talenting for leveling? going for single or multi target spec?
lone junco
do whatever tickles your fancy
the kidney bleed does a lot more damage than I expected. so with the sephuz running it does some good work. far more than 10% on other stuff.
final dawn
so i will try both, thanks mate
lone junco
ok
thorn crater
do we have access to noxious' WA?
thorn crater
im used to his as sin since nighthold. im just playing from a different computer now and he locked them behind a patreon donation. but i will take a look thank you
plus my pc cant handle elvui it overheats
i just want the tracker XD
thorn crater
kk thank you
wanton plinth
I'm levelling with a Blood DK - so I am going Cloak/Mantle and the Fan of Kives Talent and PVP talent
karmic mortar
will cindaria lego effect rupture and garrote on an opener?
bleak rivet
is assassination okay for levelling?
exotic glen
if thats what you want to play
hoary copper
Yes
bleak rivet
ok
hoary copper
lofty junco
guys what ya think for leveling about EP vs MP, CT vs PB and Exsang vs VR/TB? yeah i know in the pins are talentbuilds for it but i want to hear/read ya thoughts to it^^
oblique raven
lmao
desert vault
Is the herodamage site current for spec sims? I don't remember when the nerfs were? Before 8/4 or after?
oblique raven
after i think
desert vault
Ok. I haven't logged into the game in 3 months, so trying to talk myself back into and sort of want to go back to sub, need to see what all has changed.
bright owl
Friends I've leveled as assassination twice on the Beta. I don't know if it has gotten much insight in this channel but Hidden Blades + The Dreadlord's Deceit + Flying Daggers PVP talent have been hitting for 40k Per Knife. So at any opportunity you can FoK 3+ targets you will instantly kill them. Works extremely well in a group where you can have other players pull mobs to you while you fan.
royal hatch
"at any opportunity" - you mean at full stacks....
bright owl
yeah it takes a minute to charge up full stacks
tough lantern
Things could be dead in the time you are waiting
strange python
If you pull enough things during that minute...:thonking:
bright owl
Just sharing what I thought was extremely useful for me. We all have about an hour to test and see what will work best for you. This is what I found to be really strong. I will be leveling with a group of 5 people including a boomkin to tag multiple targets and another assassination rogue to alternate fans.
thin ingot
i was wondering if the 20% ms would be more useful than the increased garrote dmg from subterfuge
proper veldt
Anyone have leveling talents for BfA?
hoary copper
Pins
ripe geyser
Exsanguinate :puke:
bleak rivet
best talents for leveling?
royal bronze
Are we basically only using garrote, fok, rup and exsang to lvl?
sub garrote dmg + exsang is prob enough no?
novel moss
It's leveling man who gives a fuck take some tomes and try shit out or just check the pins or check ravenholt website
cursive junco
^
lofty junco
is there a pandemic for CT and whats the duration to apply?
hollow raptor
so exsanguinate beats toxic blade for leveling?
strange python
I doubt it
hollow raptor
reading pins, says it ;o
strange python
monkaS
hollow raptor
monkas everywhere
keen remnant
feeling like enhancent needing to use more than 4 buttons
slender peak
Brb in a week when the amount of i didnt have 20 minutes to research before playing my main class in bfa questions die down.
fast fog
Cya
onyx falcon
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE AREA 52
river quarry
create toon on low pop realm
then log out then log in and go back to ur char
fixes it
subtle lodge
Is this a confirmed fix?^
strange python
My feeling when I can’t log in
strange python
I cant switch my realm
slim drum
What azerite traits are the way to go? If anyone knows
naive scarab
howdy all... anyone have a dps ranking of azerite traits yet?
curious how traits like twist the knife stack up
Vita just saw your post man lol
hollow junco
azerite traits dont stack do they?
royal vapor
Do you guys do 4-5 stack rupture on world content? or just 1-2 stack on them?
pastel wasp
@hollow junco last time i checked they do stack
minor thicket
Where is a good place to learn about this spec
Rotation and stuff maybe videos inckuded
iron zinc
is shrouded suffocation still bugged? i read it was during beta
lament sandal
this game has pvp?
strange python
bfa.herodamage.com to look at azerite sims
supple hearth
@fossil dove deadly brew, creeping venom, system shock
fossil dove
thanks!
fossil dove
Now if I could just login
nimble wind
I can "log in", but then it takes me to a black screen with some frames where my character screen should be
strange python
all my friends are logging in to empty quest logs
narrow abyss
ripe bane
Does "Shrouded suffocation" Stack at all? All 3 of my leveling azerite pieces have that trait
warm parcel
Why wouldnt it
naive scarab
is raidbots updated to do a proper gear compare yet?
trying to sim new 280 azerite helm vs getting rid of 4-piece...
pastel wasp
dude
warm parcel
mate
kindred cedar
I need to check what azeroth armor pieces are the best with traits?
as i noticed u get several
ripe geyser
: "We'll be performing rolling restarts for all realms beginning at 08:30 (CEST) Thanks for your patience. #BlizzCS"
lucid elm
Draenor is down again...
honest needle
happy leveling all 😄
Im trying to find what traits are best but i dont see anything in pins
i feel blind
warm parcel
Any and all sims are pinned
honest needle
does it matter what place we pick for the foothold
im trying to figure out what this is for
naive scarab
when are you guys dumping your 4 piece?
raidbots is saying its a 9% loss to get rid of mine by adding 280 azerite helm and 250 cloak ... seems wrong
undone lodge
guys which one should i choose? vest cowl or shoulder?
tame glen
Personally, I just like to bite the bullet and break the tier set asap
tame glen
It will be gone eventually regardless. Embrace your new existance. This is life now
naive scarab
also i saw the new traits in guide but only the rogue specific ones were covered ... how do the general ones stack up? ... seems the one that adds crit for up to 18 secs would be solid
lol i will embrace
glad garden
i somehow missed the announcement was wondernig why i couldn't type in here 😄
warm parcel
- Sims are 5 min boss fights and have nothing to do with leveling
- guide has top 3 traits in terms of dps per tier and even notes to see herodamage for full breakdown
dire spoke
°-°
timid rune
so if I want to multispec, do I need azerite gear for each spec?
or at 120 can I change the talents
cos I was outlaw until 115 but now all my azerite is outlaw specced
and I wanna play assassin
glad garden
i sorta like it with using the leggo with free vigor talent allowing me to take mfd. can usually blow through things leveling with that 5 cp reset so often
glad garden
thanks for the video
wise whale
why is everybody asking for leveling specs and shit, just level
glad garden
dont' think anyone just asked for a leveling spec did they?
timid rune
^
glad garden
think he just posted a video because he felt like it so i said thanks 😃
wise whale
no ist just read the last 300 posts
glad garden
that was your terrible decision then you know better than that XD
timid rune
is exsanguinate any good?
wise whale
its good, toxic blade is better
wise whale
for leveling it may be better
but the time you spend thinking about it does probably negate the difference
timid rune
lol
say my poisons are on the enemy
i have 4cp
is it better to envenom at 4cp or mutilate and waste 1cp to get the 5cp envenom
wise whale
envenom at 4cp. dont waste cp it adds up in a boss fight, while leveling you can go for it depending on the enemys health i guess
wise whale
i dont know about pvp but i assume its extremely situational as is everything in pvp
no its not at all
orchid badger
@timid rune video was made before launch entirely from alpha/beta experience, so he woulden't know about the pvp disable
timid rune
fair
high holly
assassination still best to level with?
oblique pendant
s u b
high holly
is sub better? @oblique pendant
fervent goblet
What makes it faster than the other two?
oblique pendant
burst and mobility
spice frost
i leveled outlaw, its wasnt bad but starts gettin unfun at 117-118 range due to lack of haste and continues to get slower
nocturne mulch
I had to work today, so I'm still only 112, and have been leveling sin, should I swtich to sub or outlaw? I felt my burst was fine in sin
strange python
If you feel fine
Then keep going
There aren’t any meters for leveling
Do what you like
spice frost
level what you enjoy. all 3 are capable. sin is prob a lil slower, but also safer
nocturne mulch
Yah, but if there was a noticable taper at higher levels while another spec is faster, I'd switch, I just like leveling to go quick-ish
spice frost
all 3 specs will get rougher as youy level just due to gear falling behind
i dinger 120 at 275 equipped. 110 drops are like 210 or something if youre ilvl is higher than that than you will have some falloff through the levels
hazy sphinx
Think sin will be competitive in dungeons?
I'm 119 and thinkin what to start gearing up first
nocturne mulch
you can talent into that stacking FoK ability, the legendary equivalent was good in legion, not sure what final numbers are now though
re: dungeons
hazy sphinx
I'm looking at the hero damage numbers but that's more for the raid
lone junco
Ct spam in aoe has no gaps in cleave. Where outlaw does depending on pull speed.
strange python
i got 120 like 3/4 hours ago leveling solely as Sin, it was pretty easy killing 3-4 things at a time until 119 when i had to take things slightly slower. Hardest part imo was 116 when Shoulders became stat pads and the burst was a lot lower
lone junco
You can pick. But Crit haste uber alles
royal lantern
champions of azeroth/the 1 that gives you the 350 leather pants
brave imp
ok thanks
royal lantern
order of ash for alliance, idk about filtfhy horde players
brave imp
order of embers?
ocean nebula
when i should do the war campaign first q`?
strange python
Whenever you’re ready to desecrate some cry baby alliance bodies
Most people say to wait till near the end or even after 120
devout jolt
I saw it was mentioned to do them once you complete a zone
plain wraith
Which WA do you guys use the most?
lone junco
I have one for Mark ready. it shows up big.
and makes a gun click sound.
the other is Rupture/Garrote uptime, and EP/Env clip
sweet pecan
i have a stack of weak auras all on the same spot in a specific order, telling me which button to press on my priority for maximum damage
i use those all the time
shut bone
I’ve just been using FoK and CT for heavy cleave. Its been going alright so far. Looking forward to collecting separate gear for dungeons.
magic fossil
which enchant u guys are using on heart of azeroth?
supple hearth
@magic fossil spoiler: you can't enchant it
hoary copper
AAAAAAAAH
deep solstice
Is it just me or does assassin feel extremely weak right now?
Leveled as sub...decided to try assassin at 120....energy regen is so slow it feels like you are afk 80% of the time
magic fossil
@supple hearth wow, addon tricked me. Showing that i can enchant, thanks
hoary copper
not weaker, just slower
deep solstice
eh....I mean maybe it's itemization or whatever, but Sub is definitely pulling much better numbers with the same gear
for me anyway
keen spruce
I leveled in assassinatoin
as a mostly boosted character, around 180 ilvl going into it
vestal wren
it does not seem to be a big issue if you use a boosted char
quest areas are tuned fair
hoary copper
Quest drops were around 200 for quite a few of the first stuff too
keen spruce
yeah sorry my boss walked by I didn't get to finish my response lol
I didn't run into any survivability or damage issues until around 118-119
Pulling more than like 3-4 mobs was pretty rough
but it played okay, certainly slower than before. But I was using MFD instead of Vigor so that probably had something to do with it
actual output didn't seem bad though
balmy condor
im amazed how blizzard managed to make specs play this slowly
brave gyro
Soo, im leveling as Sin, still not max level. But any news on whats gonna be the top dog pre-raid/raid ?
i checked raw sims, but wondering from people who tested
rocky quiver
What rogue spec has the most raw damage?
keen spruce
I'd give it a week
once some people get into pre-raid gear and actually play the classes
Unless you're on the cutting edge I would just play what you enjoy
Blizz has been pretty good about balance the last few xpacs
mostly all classes within 1 standard dev
vestal wren
raid wont open in a weak
true ingot
Raid doesn't open for almost a month right?
brave gyro
True that. But still wondering. I like min-maxing 🤷
vestal wren
m+ was done a lot on beta already, but also does not open soon
keen spruce
I just mean give people some time at level cap with some better gear
brave gyro
what was the overall impression for M+ on beta @vestal wren ?
keen spruce
we'll get a better idea of what pans out to be the best
I'm sure there's some sims out there, but they're only gonna be as good as the people who wrote them
Pretty sure assa will still be up there, they didn't really lose a lot
vestal wren
rogue was very strong, sub can handle the new affix extremely well and was used alot for that reason. Tho outlaw was more played overall (sub was not working for quite a while and ppl only tried sub way after secret technique was finally working)
sin was not bad bat both other specs where prefered over it
brave gyro
Hmm, i guess i should switch to sub or outlaw then. I was just leveling as sub, since i had with +15 ilvls artifacts 🤷
altho now all 3 of my azerite pieces are for Sin xD
vestal wren
well play what you enjoy
brave gyro
The reason why i've been sticking to rogue for so long is because i play all 3 specs 😛
im a huge believer of picking a class, not a spec
that's why I was asking
But thanks for the info
keen spruce
I did pick a class, then they took one of my specs and turned it into a dirty pirate hooker
strange python
The effects of azerite power traits stack right?
If i take shrouded suffocation 3 times
it deals additional damage per item?
because it doesnt give me combo points per item
when cast from stealth
keen spruce
yeah general rule you want to find your best T1 trait and stack 3 of them
ideally 3x your T2 trait as well
but since the gear isn't random traits it may be hard to do that
smoky topaz
what are the best talents currently for assa?
smoky topaz
120
strange python
no idea
keen spruce
MFD speeds up the play when levelling
oh 120
I'd still say MFD for any open world stuff
running around and what not
makes everything feel nice nice
strange python
are you asking about the skill? read the tooltip. the azerite trait? read the tooltip
gentle pollen
@rocky quiver Thats Poison Bomb Talent that works with Rupture and Envenom as a chance to proc
strange python
dunno what else to say
keen spruce
Envenom is basically eviscerate
but with a little buff
for poison stuff
the puddle on the ground is poison bomb, last tier talent
stray delta
Does anyone else feel energy starved in dungeon or just me?
true ingot
Not really even at 10% haste
You just need to make sure to put out enough ruptures/garrotes before you go into using CT a bnch.
rocky quiver
Does mind numbing poison work for all spells? instant spells aswell?
sweet pecan
so ive been getting these pieces of gear that synergise with the heart
for the second talent pic ive gotten the same one 3 times
impassive visage
when you take damage, heal, can not occur more then once every 6s
if i get it 3 times, does the effect share the 6s CD, or does each effect have its own CD
?
i suspect the latter, but i am uncertain
chilly marsh
hi guys quick question : for raid main stats potion or the new blood one ?
true ingot
Sim it.
deft patio
