assassination

[strange python]

Couldve been even better if he used MP instead of EP : D

[warm parcel]

oh

I thought they removed those logs from rankings

[dire mulch]

hey guys, I’m back to rogue since Cata. I played Outlaw till 90 and just switched to Assassin. Any quick tips for macros and simple addons for tracking debuffs/buffs/etc?

[warm parcel]

Guess not

[strange python]

nah they didnt

so its super easy to find

overall dps #1 log he has

[delicate crater]

@dire mulch

[strange python]

i think he actually told wcl his logs arent legit

but they didnt bother

[dire mulch]

@delicate crater thanks, where can i find pinned stuff on mobile app?

total noob here.

[delicate crater]

we all were once my brotha

[dire mulch]

oh i found it

what are WeakAuras groups under the pinned tabs?

[delicate crater]

different WA's from different users

you can view/preview them at Wago

[dire mulch]

oh dope this is just what i was looking for. cool. does weakAuras mess with any other preset UI or is it a separate object that has its own configurations? (like using action bars etc)

[glass cloud]

completely seperate

you can move it around where ever fits ur screen

[strong tusk]

why assassination prepatch looks better then assassination bfa? better tier and legs for assassination then for other specs? every rogue on raid tests is sub/combat and so for m+...

[strange python]

tier 21

110 stat scaling vs 120

[proud compass]

Prawn (with recent raidbots string) will make me believe that the pre-patch quest weapon is a 22% increase with regard to my artefact weapon...how can that be? I mean my artefact weapon is full of mythic argus relict...

[fresh ginkgo]

because i think it treats kingsbane as one weap

[serene nacelle]

Different stats

[ripe carbon]

@fresh ginkgo i think you're right about that one

[lone junco]

1wep. Just look at wep dps. Then use your brain.

Would need too insane TF to pass artifact currently.

Two

[honest compass]

Actually it treats the weapon as its base stats

Ilvl 180

If you open pawn and go to the compare tab

It’ll show you the real comparison

[lone junco]

Meh. Green weps will replace them soon enough. Just look at dps and keep running.

[dire mulch]

when you guys are leveling do you guys have a preferred spec? haven't tried much of sub but outlaw seems pretty quick

[strange python]

they all look fine

personally I am drawn to ct + leeching poison + sephuz from garrote silence

and sin warmode talents are 👌

[dire mulch]

does this discord have a list of common rogue acronyms?

[strange python]

not sure

ct is crimson tempest

[dire mulch]

what did you mean by CT

ah i see

[honest compass]

Well the most common ones would be TB for Toxic Blade, CT for Crimson Tempest, SnD for Slice and Dice, RTB for Roll The Bones, FoK for Fan of Knives

There’s others

But those would be the ones that pop up most often

[sharp hound]

what are you boys running for level 60 pvp talent? Elusiveness?

[dire mulch]

@strange python were you referring to some legendary pieces? i'm still level 90 so when will I need to be worrying about that?

[strange python]

sephuz is a legendary yes

at this point, unless you can hit 110 before the expansion launches, probably shouldn't worry about legendaries

[dire mulch]

so most of the discussion around pre-patch is for those who mean to get maxed ASAP and ready for raids?

[jaunty ginkgo]

anyone know if there is a way to make a weak aura to identify empowered garrote?

I just want a progress bar for both a normal and empowered garrote

[dark token]

yes

search "bleeds db" on wago.io

it has a weakaura that keeps track of empowered garotte/rupture

and you can use the flag to display it differently for your progress bar

[wide delta]

does anyone have a link for all the new world boss trinkets?

[jaunty ginkgo]

thanks

do you know which one?

[dark token]

the first one

if you look for WAs always check the date

that one was august 3

the other one was last year, probably broken

these WAs use it for timers on icon but with some easy tweaks you can make it a progress bar

[jaunty ginkgo]

ok will look into it, thanks again!

[signal flame]

How should I play around EP? I don't get how to use this talent at all

[dark token]

Maximise its uptime while not using finishers below 4cp

This means not spamming but pooling so you can clip it with an envenom

[signal flame]

Mmm

Think I need to play with it more and pool way more

So I should aim to envenom just as it's about to run out? To pool as much as possible

I guess that's what you mean with "clip it"

[still pewter]

Question. Does fan of blades increase 15 x3 for 3 traits. So a max of 45 yards + base 10 yards.

55 yard fan of knives??

[civic belfry]

What is better, a bleed or a poison build?

[still pewter]

Sim yourself @civic belfry

[civic belfry]

Eh

How does one do that?

[dire spoke]

There are guides in #rules-and-guides

[still pewter]

@dire spoke do you know answer to my question

[civic belfry]

Simc/Raidbot?

[fading spade]

So here's a question I cant seem to find an answer to. Once bfa goes live, it appears that the go to talent in tier 1 is Blindside as opposed to EP. I fail to see the benefits of blindside

It seems to have negative synergy with azerite traits

[lofty junco]

procc skill and execute skill

[ebon bramble]

so do azerite traits...not stack anymore?

[still pewter]

Wait till you're max level and sim yourself @fading spade

@ebon bramble they do

[ebon bramble]

@still pewter thanks, just wondering why simulations dont just stack them

[fading spade]

Aye. Execute is awesome. But a 30energy execute that generates 1cp. Vs the 50energy mut that generates 2. I guess if you want more damage per energy go BS

If you want more CP per energy use mut.

[steep citrus]

I want to do the most damage. which one is that?

[still pewter]

@phup#3057

[steep citrus]

yeah, i was being sarcastic. since choosing one based on cp per energy is pointless if the other one sims higher

[fading spade]

No need for sarcasm I was trying to understand the choice

[still pewter]

I mean. No ones answering the real question here

Do we or do we not have a 55 yard range fan of knives

[fading spade]

Lol

[steep citrus]

but I'm full of self loathing and can only be sarcastic and hurtful to others.

you know, a rogue

[still pewter]

Toxic * @steep citrus

[dusky fulcrum]

Guys what is "isolated strike" ? i keep seeing it proc but i cant find it in spellbook

[still pewter]

[dusky fulcrum]

I just realised its from my varimathras trinket, i have no idea why u told me to check pins tho 😃

[mild lily]

Hello, I just started playing Rogue I boosted one for BFA.

[ebon bramble]

weird, i dont get how 2 points from garrote and additional damage from stealth is that good. i mean we can only vanish every 2 min

[lean hill]

Is that picture supposed to say Assination?

[dire spoke]

@still pewter I didn't level on beta, I don't know

[dusky fulcrum]

TFW ppl say "check pins" so often they tell you to check pins about something not posted on pins

[exotic glen]

ikr

[zealous lily]

@ebon bramble it's very strong in dungeons.

you are stealthing and restealthing all the time. also the trait used to proc off of subterfuge garrotes

[ebon bramble]

i guess but in raid situations, you can only vanish once every 2 min...i never knew that the amount of damage it did added that much to our DPS compared to say twist the knife

not complaining or anything, just more...interesting to see

[lone junco]

@ebon bramble garrote rupture garrote rupture seems good.

with subterfuge

but 2cps garrote is on all garrotes? or is it just the stealth ones

[zealous lily]

it was all garrotes at least previously

i havent played sin on beta recently

[ebon bramble]

hmm interesting, i can see how that woul dbe amazing

[steep citrus]

it's just the stealth ones

[lone junco]

garrote tab garrote rupture. I guess that's neat.

[ebon bramble]

how come most of the sims that i see (not just assassination) do not stack the class traits that give them the biggest benefits?

[lone junco]

some are not available to get 3x i hear.

[ebon bramble]

also that garrote -> rupture would be sooo goood for mythic+ haha

[lone junco]

but they are listed on herodamage

[steep citrus]

too bad the cp's don't stack

just the damage

[lone junco]

https://bfa.herodamage.com/rogue/

[zealous lily]

in beta it was so bugged at one point that it just gave you 5 cp

i reported it sorry

[ebon bramble]

that would be broken in pvp O_o

[steep citrus]

heh. when i played in beta and got a second piece with that trait and then i still only got 3cp, i was so sad

thought i had wasted a piece of armor. didn't know the damage stacked or that you could reset traits

[lone junco]

the pvp armor looks best to me by far.

but it is what it is.

gimme the glory x3. thx. top of single/cleave for sin/outlaw/sub

[ebon bramble]

wait, so shrouded suffocation's damage increase is on ALL garrotes but the CPs in from stealth right?

[wide delta]

shit became complicated real quick @lone junco

[lone junco]

ill bypass the complication and just get 3 of the non spec specific ones.

[zealous lily]

i am @ work right now but i can dick around with shrouded some in beta tonight

[steep citrus]

@ebon bramble no. bonus is just to stealth and subterfuge garrotes

[lone junco]

4p20 with shroud.

lols.

[wide delta]

@lone junco im sure a lot of ppl would appreciate that. Thanks for your amazing work tho, hope its not wasted

[lone junco]

I have done no amazing work.

[ebon bramble]

ya i dont get how it can contribute so much dps compared to other traits lol 2min for extra 394 damage in single target

[lone junco]

those traits are only like 2% overall dps gain (each)

buffing subterfuge a bit would make sense to gain 2%

[steep citrus]

so is the bonus damage from that trait added before or after subterfuge doubles the damage?

[ebon bramble]

is it only 2%? im seeing 4%

[lone junco]

ok

[ebon bramble]

🤔

[steep citrus]

i can scribble any numbers i want on a gif too, why do the tooltips say what they say and the scale at the bottom say what it says if it's really only 4%?

[lone junco]

jesus fuck. they are between 1 and 4% gain per azerite. are you actually arguing about that?

and vary between target numbers. and talents. and balance.

and we dont even have them yet

they are preliminary numbers. what seems to be the problem.

dont answer that

[steep citrus]

regardless the chart clearly says 9% and you scribbled "< 3" on there

[lone junco]

Less than 3 per trait

what is happening here

[steep citrus]

yeah, so I think his question still stands. if you're buffing garrote every 2 minutes for 24 seconds by some not that substantial amount, it seems surprising that it's a 4.5% dps gain

[ebon bramble]

^

[lone junco]

meh

[ebon bramble]

i wonder if the simulations is adding the damage

even outside of stealth

[lone junco]

heres another chart with bullshit scribbled on it

[ebon bramble]

i have no clue what the fuck you're arguing about or scribbling about lol

[lone junco]

buffing subterfuge sounds neat. especially in 1t or 2t. I FEEL like that is a good thing. I FEEL like it could easily be balanced in the 4% gain range. I feel like it would cap out in M+ unless you vanish to add 3 more.

and if it were strong enough, you could probably ignore the extra cps on the 3rd garrote in your open and recap

2 4 6, CT

[steep citrus]

with that trait and single target do you open garrote > garrote > rupture > garrote?

[ebon bramble]

still doesnt answer the question as to how an additional ~400 damage every 2 min in a single target fight accounts for a ~4% dps game...

[wheat hinge]

ik its kinda even but shoould a go cleave ring + crafted boots or cleave ring + haste/speed ring?

[lone junco]

doesnt that 400damage scale with neck ilvl

and gear ilvl

[sterile marten]

🤔

[lone junco]

sounds like it will buff the base. then multiply with subterfuge/vers/crit

[ebon bramble]

oh hmm makes more sense now then

that makes for some amazing burst

[lone junco]

its awk that the base is listed in attack power

but w/e

[wheat zealot]

With garrote being one of our primary damage dealers now i think it will be very strong, especially in M+

[ebon bramble]

ya

that trait plus subterfuge will be pretty good m+

[lone junco]

I do not believe that rupture will stay so low on the profile

[wheat zealot]

This one and the agility per rupture both peak my interest

[lone junco]

but im not a dev

[ebon bramble]

i hope they buff our rupture

[lone junco]

Agi per rupture currently is garbo as far as I can tell in cleave. may garrote garrote garrote rupture fok ct fok ct

[wheat zealot]

Rip then lol

[lone junco]

even 1cp ruptures are shit compared to CT spam

but they could straight up remove the hit from ct. and push us back into ... well outlaw

[wheat zealot]

Twist the knife looks really good too but gonna be lackluster in aoe of course

[ebon bramble]

theyve nerfed twist the knife

quite a bit

[wheat zealot]

Of course

[lone junco]

tbh, the ones that buff crit/haste look best to me. but I havent paid attn to what is available on which ilvl pieces

cross spec st/aoe is gonna be my fav. esp if it's close to the top

[ebon bramble]

ya crit/haste are the best

but that doesnt take up a class trait slot tho right?

[sterile marten]

Wtb kingsbane back 😡

[ebon bramble]

so you can get a class trait + the crit/haste

[wheat zealot]

Kingsbane really wasent that special, just another dot to use on cd

[exotic glen]

i dont mind them removing kingsbane

but the fucking gcd change man

[wheat zealot]

Yeah vendetta on a gcd does not feel good

[exotic glen]

not in the least

[wheat zealot]

Blade flurry is worst offender imo

[exotic glen]

and blade rush

i played outlaw once a few days ago

blade flurry, blade rush

[cosmic wren]

@lone junco Where is that chart from?

[exotic glen]

great, things are already dead

[cedar elk]

assassin is fun for me right now, but i also just switched from shadow priest

cause yikes

[lone junco]

https://bfa.herodamage.com/rogue/

very prelim btw

[proper forge]

hey im new to this spec, should i use poisoned knife in my rotation to get max combo points or is it fine if i do finishers with 4 points

[chilly marsh]

anyone know if http://www.wowhead.com/item=126927/recipe-sugar-crusted-fish-feast works on bfa ?

thinking of doing some for raiding first weeks

because mats will be really expensive

[lone junco]

good thoughts.

[zealous lily]

It works but it is nerfed compared to legion magnitude.

You should fish stuff week 1-3 and make phat stacks doing it.

[strange python]

has anyone run questing as ass yet on beta? am I going to be pulling my hair out waiting for mobs to die to dots

even with shoulders/sephuz

boosted my rogue so ive never leveled on him

[loud fossil]

could run shoulders/cape/hidden blades/flying daggers build to lvl

[lone junco]

subterfuge sephuz + bleed kidney isnt bad.

fuck the cape

[loud fossil]

dunno how good that is anymore though

[lone junco]

ill be outlaw tbh, but sin isnt gonna be horrible.

[loud fossil]

i still personally don't know what i'm gonna lvl as, but i'm still leaning towards sin

[zealous lily]

@strange python I have leveled as outlaw and assassin.

With shit gear as assassin. Kidney bleed talent is indeed great for leveling content.

Main thing is you need gear when you hop over the 116 hurdle. Stay out of world content until you are 325/330 geared in every slot.

just run heroics and slowly kite shit while you are gimpy.

or play outlaw.

[strange python]

gonna run outlaw thx 😂 👌

[zealous lily]

You will be fine when geared just in the jump between garbo leveling gear and heroic you are a weakling. sub is pretty good too but it has more downtime than the other specs. outlaw is just innately going to always be better at most world content because its damage is all front loaded.

[soft quartz]

anyone leveling with fan of knives-spec?

[lone junco]

fok fok fok rupture fok fok fok env fok fok fok kidney

nah

you talking about shoulder+cloak+Ns + fok talent?

[exotic glen]

the spec that doesnt work

[lone junco]

too slow for my blood.

[exotic glen]

yeah i hope no one is

because no one should

[soft quartz]

really that bad?

[lone junco]

its 1 hit.

[exotic glen]

its 1 hit that does mediocre damage for the cooldown it has

[lone junco]

even it it killed one thing, you have to wait like 45sec for it to stack again

[strange python]

Ok i admit it; i like crimson tempest

there geez

[wanton estuary]

what legenderys are you pep running white, when playing assasin, thinking of levling and all over

[strange python]

sephuz

• anything else

👍

[wanton estuary]

btw what can we use wakening essense for in bfa...

[strange python]

nothing

[wanton estuary]

yes i use sephuz:)

i must say i havent have so much fun playing wow since in the begining of wow. playing rouge and killing people random is so fun 😉 hehe

[strange python]

I will level with shoulders + sephuz. Until I get decent azerite shoulders. Then maybe KJ's BW?

[wanton estuary]

oki

how did we get the azerite armor:) eny spes level

[strange python]

Need to check if my KJ's BW is even 265.

[lone junco]

I got some whisp boots

[strange python]

The first quest when you get the Heart of Azeroth, you also get a choice of azerite helm, shoulders, or chest at ilvl 270.

You can also loot them from dungeon bosses

Maybe some quests that give them too. Don't remember.

[crisp steppe]

damn more assassination nerfs

[wanton estuary]

oki, so that is the main zity Heart of Az?` ok so dungeon can also drop em

[strange python]

At endgame you only get them from the weekly m+ cache, raid bosses, and warfronts or something.

[wanton estuary]

today nerfs?? bha dont want enymore nerfs

[crisp steppe]

small subterfuge nerf and crimson tempest

[wanton estuary]

so you can get helm shoulders and chest

[lone junco]

@crisp steppe link pls

[strange python]

Yes. Azerite pieces are only helm, shoulders, chest

[crisp steppe]

@lone junco mmochamp bluetracker

[wanton estuary]

so they are suppose to be the best armor,that you can upgrade, as you advance

[lone junco]

https://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/1097862-live-class-tuning-aug-9/

fuuuu

[strange python]

It's fair, assassination is busted in pre patch.

But surprised they even bother.

[lone junco]

😐

[crisp steppe]

Before Battle for Azeroth launches four days from now, we're making some additional adjustments to several specs based on how they're playing at level 120. We're working on the following via hotfix to the live game

[ebon bramble]

Assassination
Crimson Tempest damage reduced by 10%.
Subterfuge bonus reduced to 80% (was 100%).

lol

[lone junco]

they were prob mad at my 4p20

cause something was fun

and seli did a +31 with it

[ebon bramble]

@lone junco ya 😦

[crisp steppe]

anyway balance when raid comes out

[strange python]

I saw Seli with it

[lone junco]

I ran it some. never in a good key though.

[slender peak]

As shitty as nerfs are I guess its a good sign that assassin is good at 120 if it is getting nerfed cause its too OP

[strange python]

Latest simcraft results had them at the top.

Rip rogues

Of the rogue specs, I mean.

[ebon bramble]

i wonder why they nerfed crimson tempest...

was assassination aoe that good

[strange python]

Prey on the Weak increases damage dealt to the target by 5% when engaged in combat with enemy players (was 10%).

oh its pvp

nothing then

[slender peak]

I dont know if people are bad pre patch or we are just OP but I dont feel we should be topping both ST and AoE which I am constantly doing on prepatch

So im ok with the tunning as long as they dont over do it

[strange python]

Yea but this is Blizzard they like to do their balancing with a chainsaw rather than a scalpel

[ebon bramble]

^

its always a roller coaster ride

too weak -> overbuff -> overnerf -> leave dead till next expac

too strong -> overnerf -> leave dead till next expac

[strange python]

le balancing is bad xD

Just no.

No I'm not still salty they nerfed Unholy into oblivion for an entire expansion to the point where the only reason they were ever played was because an overpowered weapon from the last boss in the expansion scaled with their mastery.

[ebon bramble]

and then they just go "oh design was bad, we'll leave it dead for entire expansion"

aka demonology warlock /outlaw

[civic palm]

They didn't leave OTL alone though...

[slender peak]

Outlaw is still bad IMO. Kill rtb with fire then burry it in concrete and throw it in the ocean.

[civic palm]

What? It's fine now, get outta here.

[blissful vapor]

Outlaw is more fun thank the stress of keeping bleeds up

than*

[strange python]

I don't like how, in a class balance AMA, someone asked about poison bomb, and they said "yeah we agree it is a problem, but we won't change it until 8.0.1"

[vestal wren]

pb is a problem ?

[strange python]

This was about a year ago.

[slender peak]

It was until they “fixed” it

[fleet whale]

… And the nerfs begin, oh well, i'm actually enjoying sub and outlaw right now so it's no biggie

[strange python]

Actually, the AMA was during Nighthold I think.

[vestal wren]

idk why ppl still cry for PB to be "tooo weak"

its perfectly fine

[slender peak]

It was never that it was too weak it was that it was way to RNG

[strange python]

The context was legion poison bomb fuu

[fleet whale]

the higher proc chance i don't really mind pb that much

if anything the damage might need a slight buff but i'm sure that would upset some people

[vestal wren]

if you buff pb up you will end up with the old issue

[strange python]

Yeah I think it's fine right now.

But we had to stick with it all of legion.

[lapis knoll]

i mean they probably should replace pb with something else

[fleet whale]

that's why i said "slight"

[strange python]

Because they didnt want to change it in legion for whatever reason.

[lapis knoll]

its just garbage talent

[fleet whale]

or make it active

[lapis knoll]

it doesnt change our gameplay at all

[fleet whale]

and like a 30 second cd

[lapis knoll]

yea it would way more interesting

[civic palm]

Also we had no strong AoE options in Legion and removing PBOMB damage would have ruined us entirely.

[slender peak]

They could have fixed it without removing it but they just chose to leave it all expac

[civic palm]

How would they have fixed it?

[slender peak]

Same way they did now. Up the proc lower the damage

[civic palm]

or are you just assuming that there was a fix?

[vast tulip]

[Subterfuge] will be nerf tommow to 80% ( right now 100%)

[civic palm]

It's ruined now for AoE, what we have now is not a solution to Legion PBOMB.

[fleet whale]

So i guess an assassination rogue nerf leads to this channel discussing about Legion poison bomb rng?

[civic palm]

Who knows.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vast tulip]

https://i.imgur.com/FJvKXqd.jpg all bg in 8,0 xD class stack

[kindred chasm]

garrote damage will still be fully meme levels with tomb 4p on in bgs

[fleet whale]

the CT nerf is not ideal

[wanton estuary]

btw is there enyting i can use the wakening essense for after the pacth, or should i just by legenderys for it

[shrewd night]

Really bruh

[strange python]

you can vendor the legendaries for gold.

Actually, you can't even do that.

[wanton estuary]

ye the scrap things?

[strange python]

I was trying to make a joke.

[wanton estuary]

hahaha

[strange python]

Not good at that sort of thing.

[wanton estuary]

but seriously i heard that you can use the wakening essens to level faster, but that mabye bull

[civic palm]

Are you meant to snort it?

[strange python]

You use wakening essences to buy legendaries that will help you level faster.

[wanton estuary]

in the new patch bfa? old legenderys or new ones? you mean

[strange python]

the old legendaries

you're breaking my balls here.

[shrewd night]

Where did you hear this Cramer? I could use a good laugh

[wanton estuary]

im not shoure think someone that told it, but i might have heard wrong, thats why im asking. hehe are there even eny legenderys still in BFA? i have over 1000, essence so i wanted to find out if i should use em or save em

[shrewd night]

What makes you think you can buy new legendaries with an old currency. How backwards is that....

[wanton estuary]

that dont make sense no 😃

i gess that you can use the essence to level faster is crap to. when you are in bfa.. then im gonna by the trinket legendery, i dont have that

[fleet whale]

Does anyone feel like blizz needs to buff some of the sin azerite traits? looking at the sim on Wowhead, it appears only twist the knife is good. Granted it's ST sims but still

[ebon bramble]

our best trait is apparently shrouded suffocation

[shrewd night]

Its three and a half week left of tuning hold ya horses

[nimble tartan]

Rip sin omegalul

[fleet whale]

Twist the knife apparently has a 5.9% damage gain... Shrouded suffocation has 1.4

[ebon bramble]

where ar eyou reading this

[wheat zealot]

[ebon bramble]

i see nothing in the pins that indicate that

[fleet whale]

http://www.wowhead.com/guides/assassination-rogue-azerite-traits-powers-armor-bfa-battle-for-azeroth#traits-tier-3-st-single-trait

[shrewd night]

Its in QQ

[ebon bramble]

cant really say if its not in the pins of said channel O_o

[hardy forge]

https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/39000-patch-801-live-class-tuning-august-9th/

not sure if it was linked already

[civic palm]

Yeah in the news channels.

[hardy forge]

ah, right, forgot that there is this channel, sorry

[true ingot]

Oh hey nerfed again. :^)

[honest compass]

zzz

Blizzard going ham with the nerf bat

[lime path]

3 fucking helmets on darkshore dailies? really? cmon blizzard. Who's dick do I gotta suck for some daggers.

[ebon bramble]

they want affliction to remain king

[honest compass]

Fuck affliction

[ebon bramble]

one king to rule us all for the whole expansion

[honest compass]

Warlocks need to not be top for once

[ebon bramble]

its why they nerfed ret and rogues

[true ingot]

Ion's girlfriend plays Warlock so he can't ever let rogue be stronger than it.

[flat portal]

lmao not top for once

forgets the beginning of legion in its entirety

till the end of nighthold warlocks were dreadful,

[true ingot]

Warlock was only "weak" until NH and even then it wasn't the worst class ever.

[honest compass]

Balance Druid

[true ingot]

But having dominance from NH to the end of the expansion is pretty ridiculous.

[honest compass]

Also WoD

[flat portal]

eh thats because they didnt know how to nerfbat the traits

[honest compass]

Affliction just destroyed everything else

[flat portal]

without killing the spec

they made the bad decision to make their artifact ability the most borked thing in existance

[honest compass]

It was also super easy to play in WoD

[true ingot]

Then kill the spec like they did with Demo in WoD

with the tag

"We don't want you playing this"

[honest compass]

Demon used to be fun

[lime path]

it's not that bad

at least you're not feral

[flat portal]

okay so when the next best spec rises to power that you'll complain about

what can they do

[lime path]

😃

[honest compass]

I think legion kinda ruined it

[true ingot]

Periods of dominance are fine.

Basically 80% of the expansion isn't.

[lime path]

welcome to pure dps privilege

it's nothing new

been like that since TBC

[fiery sage]

they wont nerf affli 😉

[honest compass]

They’ll buff it

[true ingot]

^

[honest compass]

xd

[fiery sage]

true

[flat portal]

thing is are you guys talking about current locks or expansion cause i see a lot of rogues doing perfectly fine on beta

[honest compass]

“We felt afflictions viability in raid situations wasn’t high enough so here’s some changes to increase that.”

now does 60% more dps than any other class

Balanced

[fiery sage]

haha blizz logic

[ebon bramble]

i wouldnt be surprised if blizz did that

[honest compass]

That was WoD

Lmao

[lime path]

doesn't matter if you're perfectly fine, if you're not the best far and away, then you ~have~ to bitch about it. :kappa:

[ebon bramble]

but i think most likely case is that affliction will be top dps in raids and they will get a slight tap on the hand nerf

[honest compass]

Affliction surpasses all other specs in HFC

[true ingot]

Ion's girlfriend walks in to the room. "Honey. This one Rogue had the audacity to out dps me in my LFR tonight. Can you buff my class it's obviously underpowered. You get some nookie if you do.~"

[ebon bramble]

and remain top and blizz will be like "all good"

[true ingot]

Next patch notes

"Warlocks were too weak. 600% aura buff"

[lime path]

Someone call the hyperbole police

[honest compass]

I’m just curious how blizzard plans to balance for 120

When we can’t get to 120

[true ingot]

They do this every prepatch

It's nothing new.

[honest compass]

I feel like these changes will be reverted a bit when we level

[flat portal]

gosh even the shadowpriest discord doesnt complain about warlocks as much as this place

[true ingot]

Of course it doesn't. It doesn't have anyone left. They all already rerolled to Lock till 8.1. :^)

[honest compass]

Death Knight discord is inactive now

[flat portal]

i personally chose rogue over lock from my reroll out of shadow

:>

[honest compass]

Same

[ebon bramble]

i actually chose rogue cause i like the leather transmogs more than locks

[honest compass]

I played shadow priest till NH

Then I rerolled rogue

[ebon bramble]

appearance > numbers

[honest compass]

Leather looks stupid af

[flat portal]

i mean i was shadow till the end of antorus then the beta came out an couldnt leave shadwo fast enough 😛

[honest compass]

There’s like 3 sets that look good

[ebon bramble]

poor shadow XD

[flat portal]

dont use sets then 😛

[ebon bramble]

^

[flat portal]

theres plenty of good leather mog

[ebon bramble]

im a rogue using a robe

[flat portal]

yu just have to put some effort in

[honest compass]

I mean I’ve made 7 transmog outfits for leather

[ebon bramble]

i like my lock transmog too cause locks have pretty cool sets

[honest compass]

Cloth and plate I’ve made 10+

And I don’t play sham or hunter so I don’t have mail outfits

[flat portal]

meh mog is all subjective anyway

some people like flashy stuff others like more subdue'd things

[strange python]

rogue challenge mode gear

for life

[flat portal]

eh i missed that back in mop, i was a shaman 😦

was sad when i rerolled away

[strange python]

I paid 80k for it

[flat portal]

lul easylife

[strange python]

because rogues were dogshit in CM's

[flat portal]

i was the bloodlust bitch for my group

[strange python]

worst class to bring

[flat portal]

or should i say heroism cause who wants to be part of the moraly grey side

[true ingot]

A lot of people, believe it or not.

[flat portal]

eh i know horde is more played, recruitment sucks for alliance atm

think you have like 2 realms to choose from for alliance eu

to even get 20 people worth taking to a raid

[strange python]

poggers

thats why the faction specific achievements are coming out

hopefully that'll rebalance the alliance side of things

[true ingot]

I'm not convinced it will push the needle too much.

It's a nice gesture though.

[strange python]

It should

if it pulls mythic guilds over

pvp stats for pvp ?

i mean pve

[lime path]

inb4 blizzard intentionally bastardized the horde and sylvanas in an effort to get more people to play alliance

calling it

[ionic crown]

They love horde too much to do that

also #off-topic

[lime path]

if they loved the horde, we wouldn't be constantly playing this game of musical chairs for warchief

[ionic crown]

#off-topic

[lime path]

but you're right, off topic, moving on.

[acoustic hill]

anyone know the talents and macro for the one shot in bfa?

[lunar python]

Holy shit the pvp nerf hotfix to Ass

[civic palm]

@acoustic hill What?

[ebon bramble]

so weird, one site says twist the knife is 5.9% increase in dps and another says 2.13%. im assuming there was a nerf somewhere in between

[civic palm]

or that they don't know what they are talking about.

or are designing DPS models differently, etc.

[ebon bramble]

that too haha

[civic palm]

Someone might be right, but I dunno.

[ebon bramble]

i got the 2.13% numbers from bfa.herodamage.com

🤷 who knows, im just poking around to get more information XD

[civic palm]

Yeah those numbers are too different to even take into consideration at this time.

[ebon bramble]

yu[p

[astral anvil]

is there a link for assassination pve spec?

[civic palm]

[exotic glen]

pinnies

[amber trench]

there was a hotfix to a lot of sin azerite traits two days ago or so

twist the knife took a 52%ish nerf

garrote trait was buffed nearly 4-5x

[astral anvil]

o

[amber trench]

https://gyazo.com/74437623437e92c0d3e4388009e8f643

used to be 500 at 385

[honest compass]

Garrote op

3cp no joke

[amber trench]

they just nerfed subtf like an hour ago though 😦

Crimson Tempest damage reduced by 10%.
Subterfuge bonus reduced to 80% (was 100%).

[exotic glen]

thats a really good trait tho

[honest compass]

“Balancing for 120”

Should play out just fine

[exotic glen]

opener is gonna be consistent pogchamp

[honest compass]

Rip wasted cp though

[slow stag]

so are everyone rerolling sub now? lul

[exotic glen]

well fuck that lol

no

[honest compass]

Nah

[amber trench]

nope

[honest compass]

Sin main 4 laif

[amber trench]

^

[civic palm]

Also if the tuning is broken it will be reversed.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[honest compass]

I also don’t want to learn sub in a week

I leveled sub in legion

But that’s the only sub I’ve played

[amber trench]

does the dmg bonus from garrote trait apply to all subf garrotes or just he first?

cause it could be super insane after the buff to it

[honest compass]

I think it’s when used from stealth but not sure

[exotic glen]

Shrouded Suffocation: Garrote cast from Stealth generates 2 additional Combo Points and deals additional damage.

subterfuge actually gives you a buff for 3 seconds

[honest compass]

Should be covered by subt

[exotic glen]

so this trait will not work on additional targets after first one

even with subterfuge

[honest compass]

Proof?

[exotic glen]

do you have counterproof?

[amber trench]

i'll have to find someone to test on the beta

[exotic glen]

its literally just guessing unless you go test

[honest compass]

No need to provide counterproof if you can’t provide a sound argument

[civic palm]

Who made the original claim?

[exotic glen]

because the way the ability is described makes me think that this is how it works

[civic palm]

Proof lies on them.

[exotic glen]

right there

proof

[slow stag]

sin you will keep playing assa, do you think assa will be good in raids? thats the only thing im worried about 😄

[civic palm]

Subterfuge also maintains the Stealth Stance.

[amber trench]

can't test beta servers just went down lul

[honest compass]

Test tomorrow

[amber trench]

yee

[civic palm]

noty

[honest compass]

Test on monday

[civic palm]

Bingo.

[exotic glen]

i would have but i dont have the trait

the vendor gear traits didnt work in raid

even tho you were scaled to 120

[amber trench]

i think i still have one of the lvling pieces that have that trait

[exotic glen]

ghuun is actually a really cool fight btw

so get hyped

[honest compass]

The first fight is literally Argus 2.0

[exotic glen]

taloc?

[honest compass]

Yeah

[exotic glen]

fucking how

what abilities

do you think are similar

[civic palm]

haha

[grim canopy]

wtf why did they nerf CT i was gonna do m+ as assasin

[honest compass]

Run pools out, tank around a circle

Sounds like Argus p1

[quaint sequoia]

all these sin nerfs make me sad

[grim canopy]

10% pve nerf to CT

sub smiles in back

[honest compass]

They buffed azerite traits

Should be fine

[exotic glen]

idk man

doesnt feel like anything close to argus

but if you think so

[civic palm]

Especially the part where he runs at people cleansing the ground.

[quaint sequoia]

I'll be so sad if I'll have to play sub again, only reason why I hated ToS

[civic palm]

rims, haha

[honest compass]

Gay

[exotic glen]

rims hahahah

gj mize

[civic palm]

ty ty

_>

[slow stag]

@quaint sequoia same

[civic palm]

Coulda played SIN there as well.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grim canopy]

so after ct nerf, M+ is even more behind sub/outlaw

[civic palm]

or... it's not.

[quaint sequoia]

wasn't top dps as sin so felt like a pleb if not going sub

[honest compass]

Legion m+ is irrelevant now

[grim canopy]

i mean bfa

[exotic glen]

have you played bfa m+?

[grim canopy]

ya

[exotic glen]

i c

[grim canopy]

sub/outlaw are beter

now even more

[honest compass]

According to logs

It depends on the instance

All 3 specs are viable just in different circumstances

[strange python]

^

[slow stag]

but i want to be op

[strange python]

play disc priest

[exotic glen]

play all 3 specs then

[obsidian edge]

flavor of the month spec is mad already or you need more nerfs? 😂 👌

[honest compass]

Play arcane rogue

[civic palm]

of the mouth 👌

[honest compass]

Hot

[exotic glen]

hahaha

[strange python]

getting meme'd

with mouth flavoring

[civic palm]

o _o

[honest compass]

Getting mouthed with meme flavoring

[obsidian edge]

correct it chill 😂 I was wrong in one letter 🤣

[quaint sequoia]

aslong as outlul is not best spec I'm content

[civic palm]

Yeah but you were shitting on people.

So no.

[strange python]

I like flavor of the mouth better than month tbh

can we make this an official change

[sleek umbra]

if anything the nerfs will scare away the flavour of the mouth players tho 🤔

[strange python]

Yes

Let the memes begin

[honest compass]

Flavor* speak real life English

Not fantasy english

[exotic glen]

...

you

omg

[obsidian edge]

who cares 😂

[cedar salmon]

3% nerf

sky falling down

!!!!

[civic palm]

What you miss the nerf today then I assume?

[cedar salmon]

its not that big

calm your tits

[civic palm]

It's larger than 3%.

[strange python]

its horrible. Everyone re-roll now

[obsidian edge]

more nerfs in 3 days im calling it , see you then 😂

[smoky bluff]

More nerfs?

[honest compass]

The CT nerf I felt was warranted

It was pretty ridic

[civic palm]

Yeah see you then, gonna come back here and post the same shit?

[quaint sequoia]

they could have waited with the CT nerf until after leveling 😛

[cedar salmon]

i mean you're all acting like assa isnt overtuned to begin with

[civic palm]

and you're acting like we're overreacting.

[cedar salmon]

typical fotm players

[obsidian edge]

Ofc I will , thats what I do 😃

[civic palm]

👋 see you then.

[weak isle]

omg subterfuge bonus reduced by 20% is this the end of assa rogues

[civic palm]

Literally end of the world.

[weak isle]

cus prepatch tuning btw

[civic palm]

120 tuning btw

[sly timber]

forget pve nerfs

[cedar salmon]

why ya'll bitching when bfa isnt even out yet

[sly timber]

the pvp nerfs

holy shit

[exotic glen]

who cares about minigame

[civic palm]

Vilt you making up people to yell at?

[honest compass]

Pvp nerfs where

[weak isle]

why y'all taking shit serious

[obsidian edge]

lemme go make fun of outlul real quik 👍 ✌

[strange python]

you guys wanna see some real crying go check out the Spriest forums

shits hilarious

[honest compass]

I play rogue

Why would I go to priest

[civic palm]

Yeah those were like 2 weeks ago though.

[quaint sequoia]

is the CT nerf on mmo-champ 120 tuning? so CT is not nerfed for leveling?

[weak isle]

ye pvp was overpowered like cmon hahha

[strange python]

what

[weak isle]

the end of the world for assa pvp

[strange python]

Rogue ded class

[honest compass]

Nerf healers in pvp

[slow stag]

i cant one shot ppl in pvp now

[honest compass]

Mfs don’t die

[civic palm]

Before Battle for Azeroth launches four days from now, we're making some additional adjustments to several specs based on how they're playing at level 120. We're working on the following via hotfix to the live game:

_>

[weak isle]

120 hotfixes btw

[exotic glen]

do you expect people to read everything mize

[civic palm]

Yes.

[exotic glen]

DO YOU

[civic palm]

Please read.

[exotic glen]

dumb idea

[honest compass]

What is this read

Can you eat it

[exotic glen]

"read"

is pronounced reeeeed

[orchid cove]

why is everyone an ass here

[honest compass]

Or Reid

[smoky bluff]

Read mf, do you speak it

[weak isle]

then still 120 tuning still not the end of the world

[honest compass]

As in Riley Reid

[cedar salmon]

can the fotm players just get leave the discord already

ty

[orchid cove]

Oof

Rogue fotm

its been for like 2 expansiond ude

dude *

[weak isle]

flavour of the month?

[honest compass]

Flavor of the mouth

[orchid cove]

in my mouth

[exotic glen]

flavour

[smoky bluff]

Okay

[quaint sequoia]

wasn't sin behind both outlul and sub on aoe even before the ct nerf?

[honest compass]

Sorry I don’t speak surrender

[exotic glen]

@quaint sequoia depends on situation

so not necessarily no

[orchid cove]

sub is better anyway

switching channel, bye

[exotic glen]

dont come back

[strange python]

lol

[orchid cove]

[random topaz]

subterfuge talent is now useless 😦

[exotic glen]

just memeing

[orchid cove]

better be

[exotic glen]

pls no thret

[orchid cove]

[random topaz]

NS or MA talent??

[civic palm]

Never MA.

[orchid cove]

sub

[exotic glen]

none of them lmao

[civic palm]

Probably still SUB.

[random topaz]

sub is died

[weak isle]

guys

assa is dead

[random topaz]

nerf

[orchid cove]

dude if you nerf something broken by 20%

its still broken

[strange python]

You know several more nerfs/buffs will be applied before we even are 120. its so hard to say atm

[exotic glen]

depends how broke i suppose

20% is a lot

[random topaz]

NS sims better at me

[cedar salmon]

guys

assa dead

go reroll next fotm class

[golden dust]

is assa dead?

[orchid cove]

well assa wasnt fotm

[exotic glen]

but what this change might be headed for is to push NS to be ST talent and sub to be cleave probs

[orchid cove]

for bfa

[golden dust]

shit, I guess warlocks next

[orchid cove]

LUL

[random topaz]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

[weak isle]

xDD

[golden dust]

see you guys on the warlock discord o7

[weak isle]

cya there

[orchid cove]

omw

[exotic glen]

if i have to read one more person saying assa is dead

ill reee

[cedar salmon]

assa

ded

boi

[exotic glen]

rREEEEEREeEEE

[weak isle]

dead

is

[shrewd night]

didn u no assa ded fam

[weak isle]

assa

[random topaz]

assa still sims better on the paper als subs

[orchid cove]

yet it sims the best out of the 3 specs still

[random topaz]

as*

[exotic glen]

@shrewd night pls dont

pls

[shrewd night]

@exotic glen

REROLL

[amber trench]

good chance subf will still be best with one garrote trait tbh

[shrewd night]

ASSA DED

[exotic glen]

reroll to what

[weak isle]

dont think sims are updated

[random topaz]

assa = best

[exotic glen]

OUTLUL

[shrewd night]

Hold up let me make it ez for u

[weak isle]

ingame its still 100%

[shrewd night]

SEE

EZ

[strange python]

i dont get one thing, why did they nerf CT by 10% when it already was a hot garbage?

[random topaz]

OMEGALUL what a spam xD

[weak isle]

rip assa dude

[cedar salmon]

but this is on topic

[orchid cove]

did you guys see the new Boomy spec on beta

[cedar salmon]

we're talking about assassination

[orchid cove]

we should all go play that

[strange python]

ct was not hot garbage

[random topaz]

can u delete all sublety rank from assa? thx!

[cedar salmon]

can you delete fotm players

ty

[orchid cove]

@gusty kestrel where do you find the cute girls, i want some of those

[ember ermine]

Hey boi-o's is da assa ded? or nah?

🤔

[cedar salmon]

@ember ermine ye go reroll next class

[random topaz]

[cedar salmon]

why get good at a certain class when you can play fotm right

and cry about 3% nerf

[ember ermine]

Ill reroll Outlaw 👌

[strange python]

class dead because blizzard has never done class tuning after 1st week of mythic raiding

👏

stop crying u babies

[cedar salmon]

PREPATCH of NEW EXPANSION

[ember ermine]

issa meme

[cedar salmon]

like a month and a half before first raid

but no

lets REEEEE about 3% nerf

[ember ermine]

I've reee'd harder at other things

[random topaz]

3%

[cedar salmon]

or i report you to discord

for harassment

[ember ermine]

@gusty kestrel whats the rules for posting memes related to a class 🤔

[exotic glen]

if a mod tells you to stop, you should probably just stop

[civic palm]

What's the rule about trolling and being disruptive?

[strange python]

why dont u just ban those oppresive kids

why bother talking to them

[exotic glen]

because they dont really deserve a ban

[ionic crown]

hey @exotic glen you seem like a smart guy

tell me something about assassination

is it dead?

[exotic glen]

fucking deader than your sense of humor ya gremlin

is calling people gremlin bannable

[civic palm]

Not yet.

[strange python]

I mean

affliction locks>assassination rogues

[civic palm]

ok

[supple hearth]

Hey it's me
Who needs to get spooned

[exotic glen]

verdict please

is gremlin an ok insult

[lone junco]

Rogues are better at stealth and kicking.

[supple hearth]

Spoon is the only giggle approved Insult

[shrewd night]

Your avatar isnt a gif, so your opinions is invalid

[exotic glen]

i cant express my rage by calling people spoons tho

[supple hearth]

Should probably find a way to avoid needing to express rage

[civic palm]

With your fists.

or your feet.

[ionic crown]

take a page from luke's book

he's a calm, pleasant guy

[exotic glen]

except if you post pics of your computer that your gf bought you

[civic palm]

lol

[ionic crown]

or make a gulag joke

[golden dust]

Not expressing your anger isn't very healthy 😦

[naive briar]

yeah thats why i go to daycare center and punch kids

works wonders

does the job for me

[lone junco]

no. too lazy to revolt now.

[shrewd night]

@supple hearth

[lone junco]

https://giphy.com/gifs/WWE-wwe-wrestling-3o751WPZAOqQBLx9aE

[civic palm]

@gusty kestrel

_>

This has gone on long enough.

[random topaz]

DEN HAUSMEISTER

[slow stag]

Blame the havoc demon hunters

[exotic glen]

can you mute this dude

not like he will come back from it

if he does, thats persistence

[cedar cloak]

<@&224906552333697025>

[exotic glen]

<@&224906552333697025>

[fringe ginkgo]

<@&224906552333697025>

[shrewd night]

<@&124172694286499840>

[random topaz]

WHAT THE FUCK GOES WRONG????

[exotic glen]

<@&224906552333697025>

[supple hearth]

?mute @latent forge

[turbid mantle]

**Command:** ?mute

Description: Mute a member so they cannot type or speak, time limit in minutes.
Cooldown: 3 seconds
Usage: ?mute [user] [limit] [reason]
Example:
?mute @NoobLance 10 Shitposting
?mute User 10m spamming
?mute NoobLance 1d Too Cool
?mute NoobLance 5h He asked for it

[exotic glen]

can you just

permaban

please

[lone junco]

that was pretty gross

[ionic crown]

muting someone posting pics of dead ppl

[exotic glen]

fucking things is i saw it coming from a mile away

[ionic crown]

instead of banning

nice

[civic palm]

Nice reaction.

👌

[cedar cloak]

[random topaz]

this pics are like a ban..

what the fuck. never seen something like this! WTF i need to go to a psycho now -.-

[strange python]

lmao

[civic palm]

Yes.

[strange python]

Unlucky

[exotic glen]

not right now as far as i can tell

[civic palm]

Expect more.

[supple hearth]

@ionic crown I'm mobile and muted before scrolling down and seeinf the pic if u have a problem with me we can fight but you will lose

[random topaz]

no. now lmoo.. how crank can ppl be? WTF

[civic palm]

Give those idiots another 30min or so and see if someone else decides to be awful.

[strange python]

🐒

What an outrage

[random topaz]

give them 365 days. WTF

[fringe ginkgo]

[exotic glen]

probably just wanted to harrass at least one more before fucking off

[ionic crown]

touchy touchy @supple hearth

frankie says relax

[strange python]

@supple hearth Isnt it primetime in na

get on your pc lmao

[exotic glen]

are you still in an elevator

[supple hearth]

@strange python some of us work :p

[strange python]

I thought only students get SB here

[random topaz]

[spare cloud]

[strange python]

unfortunate

[supple hearth]

Well I guess that's not true

[strange python]

What is not true ?

[supple hearth]

Same

[strange python]

no u

[supple hearth]

🍌

[strange python]

🐒

[ionic crown]

[random topaz]

YOU guys are crank!!

[gritty fox]

old people should just become younger.

[strange python]

Working people should just stop working

and abuse the system

[silent crescent]

did you guys see the pvp nerfs

[spare cloud]

This is a pve related channel

[vague patrol]

the beta nerfs?

[strange python]

No it just magically snuck by us.

[silent crescent]

nah live

[spare cloud]

#pvp

[silent crescent]

we also got a live pve nerf

[random topaz]

OFF TOPIC

[silent crescent]

subterfuge nerf for pve

80% not 100%

[random topaz]

[supple hearth]

Crimson tempest too not like I was using it hehe

[strange python]

We're clearly dead now. /s

[random topaz]

[river hawk]

guys i need help with 1 addons i use

i think its perfect but the talent... i dont know how to say in english

toxic blade

yes

doesnt exist in the addon

[spare cloud]

weakauras

[civic palm]

and you have it updated?

[exotic glen]

what addon

[river hawk]

the addon is sliceadmiral

its so good

bc its not icons

[shrewd night]

oof

[river hawk]

its text and dmg

[random topaz]

deinstall the addon because its from 2008?

[river hawk]

but dont have the cd for toxic blade

[civic palm]

uninstall is the word you are looking for.

That's weird that it doesn't.

[river hawk]

xDDD

[civic palm]

Can you add it?

[river hawk]

yes

and its so good

srsly

xD

[civic palm]

uhhuh

[river hawk]

see

[oak osprey]

is sin going to be playable at all for m+ or are we pigeon holed into outlaw/sub?

[river hawk]

u see all the things

and u can move like u want

except toxic blade

and in the bars u can see the dmg

[random topaz]

omg can u stop?

[merry elbow]

Just install weakauras?

[river hawk]

@random topaz ?

[shrewd night]

Nobody cares fam, if you want support for the addon, ask the creator.

[exotic glen]

i would suggest you use another addon, because sliceadmiral is not really good

[merry elbow]

This ui is scuffed af

[civic palm]

and you can make WA look like w/e you want.

[random topaz]

stop advertise in this channel!

[river hawk]

i understand but i think u dont need to talk like that disrespect @random topaz

[exotic glen]

who is advertising?

[random topaz]

this guy

[slow stag]

?

[river hawk]

whuuuuut

hahahaa

[exotic glen]

advertising for sliceadmiral?