assassination

[exotic glen]

okay what the fuck lmao

guess we just need an answer from @warm parcel

i dont see why its bad to do on pull anymore tho tbh

[warm parcel]

from stealth?

[exotic glen]

vendetta on pull

yes no ?

[warm parcel]

you mean from stealth?

[lean hill]

Prepull

[warm parcel]

naa

[exotic glen]

thats what the guide says

[warm parcel]

use after rup is up

rh.net?

Im p sure I updated it

[exotic glen]

your guide is wrong then

[lean hill]

Yea, sin guide 8.0

[exotic glen]

nah its still there

[warm parcel]

THen I didnt update

[exotic glen]

happens

[lean hill]

Confusing the masses lol

[warm parcel]

hold on

yeah it was discussed at some point so I set it as default

Itll be edited 325 times anyway postlaunch

[exotic glen]

so we just tell people the quickstart guide is correct?

[steep obsidian]

does the apl still vendettta pre pull? didnt it used to?

[warm parcel]

Im in no charge of quickstart

[steep obsidian]

standards apl

[warm parcel]

Im changing the actual one rn

[exotic glen]

cool

[warm parcel]

Actual one doesnt have ven prepull

https://i.imgur.com/zohWxgs.png

Its caching problem

This came up earlier too

The guide now caches for up to 2 weeks I think

Should prolly change that for launch huh

[exotic glen]

🤔

anyways thx weak

[river quarry]

when do the add chapter 3 of the lordaeron scenario stuff

[strange python]

saurfang? launch day

[river quarry]

they*

uhh the one where you go to silithus

[strange python]

the heart of azeroth quest?

[river quarry]

yep

[strange python]

launch day

[river quarry]

so it ends at org and that's it?

[strange python]

yup

[river quarry]

dafek

=/

lame

[strange python]

ye I thought we would go get saurfang from stormwind

but that's part of the intro quest to zandalar

[warm parcel]

Try resetting cache and reloading guide

[river quarry]

someone posted on wowhead that it was set for 8/07

[warm parcel]

Imma have to poke about this again

[strange python]

ty for your time weak

[river quarry]

also can you no longer go and retire your artifact for the 75 trait?

:l wanted to see that quest

aye this guyt

http://www.wowhead.com/quest=53028/a-dying-world#comments

2nd post

[strange python]

dunno, they said while leveling in legion content you will still get your artifact and it will gain power in fixed rates

[river quarry]

claims it's 08/07

2nd comment I mean.

[strange python]

according to that comment, chapter 3 is the undercity scenario

[river quarry]

Ohh wait right.

I misread that completely

the 3rd* comment.

I guess that one doesn't actually say when

[exotic glen]

@warm parcel reset my cache and its still there

guess we just have to wait

[strange python]

ah

[exotic glen]

its not like many people use the website guide anyways

[warm parcel]

[strange python]

should be launch day, doubt they would give us the heart of azeroth beforehand

[warm parcel]

Youd be surprised how many click the header link above

That gets plenty clicks on patch days

[river quarry]

contemplating between feral and rogue for bfa.

rogue looking stronk?

[strange python]

rogue always stronk

[exotic glen]

as strong as someone that eats their oatmeal every day

[river quarry]

i do 👀

rolled oats ftw

[exotic glen]

remember to heat up your cereal

[river quarry]

so as a returning player from nighthold...uh

wtf is there to do for me prior to launch =/

[strange python]

darkshore stuffs for catch-up gear

and a lovely mount

[exotic glen]

sylvanas questline

[strange python]

and morally grey

[river quarry]

morally whatnow

[exotic glen]

hes memeing

[river quarry]

you referring to it as that or

rite

[strange python]

sylvanas does questionable actions

[river quarry]

sylvanas is a badass bitch though, hope we keep her lul

[strange python]

same

[river quarry]

ye

she's a bitch

but she's our bitch

[warm parcel]

sylvanas

[winter gale]

Guys

[warm parcel]

no

[winter gale]

Anyone know can I hide micro menu and bags

[exotic glen]

what

[winter gale]

With move anything

[river quarry]

never has a dead person been fapped to so much

[exotic glen]

what

[river quarry]

sylvanas is technically undead rite

[winter gale]

From bootom right corner

[river quarry]

i forget

[exotic glen]

"technically"

she is like 100% undead

what are you talking about

[river quarry]

blanked for a bit there

[exotic glen]

you look like

shia lebouf in your picture

a sad one

[river quarry]

send me gold ingame?

pity gold?

[exotic glen]

only if you send me ankle nudes

[warm parcel]

naa no fapping

Just the character and VA is 👌

[river quarry]

deal

[warm parcel]

One other fav VA is yshaarj

whenever you got the intermission during garros proge

[river quarry]

I wanna upgrade my legendaries to make leveling in bfa fast

😦

need 2 leggos for each toon

1200 of those token things

[sly bloom]

finally found a class where i enjoy all 3 specs, hallelujah 😂

[agile breach]

haha @lone junco gets it

[lone junco]

👌

[slender peak]

@river quarry run lfr and use reroll tokens. You can get 150 essence if you dont get gear when you reroll or what ever they are called. Makes getting legos super easy. You can also get some from world quests and the daily caches

[jaunty arrow]

its worth use CT in da dungeon?

[strange python]

yea it's great

[crimson gorge]

venom rush or toxic blade for pve?

[lone junco]

Tb.

[crimson gorge]

alright ty

[slender peak]

Ct is awesome. In large mythic pulls I subterfuge garrote 4 targets, rupture the primary target, fok to 4+cp then CT then spam fok/envenom till CT refresh keeping up as many bleeds as possible

[steep citrus]

at what size group is it better to just spam CT and never envenom assuming all targets same priority

[slender peak]

That i am unsure of was gonna try and do some testing tonight and see

[strange python]

at 5 cp, envenom do 80% of attack power, and CT do 24% plus bleed, so at 4 targets u do more dmg with CT then envenom

[lone junco]

3-4 is a good idea. But clipping env buff will help with E after we lose tier 21 bonus.

[tiny vapor]

Can't post in #385145484559253506 , is there anything that was done to select gear for your based on your stat weights ? I know DH have a google sheet file for that.

[lone junco]

Do whatever you want now. But there will be solid rules at 120

@tiny vapor read the pins in #385145484559253506

[wheat hinge]

whor Wauras do you guys reccomend?

whos* 😄

[lone junco]

And the stat weights must come from your own gear. Raidbots.com can do that for you.

@wheat hinge miz has some I think they are listed in the pins here.

[tiny vapor]

I know that of course, been simming since MoP, there's nothing in the pins of #385145484559253506

[wheat hinge]

@lone junco ty got them 😄

[slender peak]

Only problem with spamming CT is you miss out on the poison application bonus from envenom. Or does fok not get effected by the envenom buff?

[lone junco]

Doesn't pins in qq tell you how to post there?

@slender peak envenom helps apply the DP. So the FOK condition procs of vw. And the DP damage. There is a point where raw CT beats anything else. But. There will be a range that may have you weave in env on the priority target for buff.

[steep citrus]

envenom affects fok. that's why it's not as straight forward as skill x does slightly more damage at this point, so it's better.

[jaunty arrow]

well so real question is PB or CT

[lone junco]

Pb for single. Ct for 2+

I use Ct for coven and can maintain both.

Ish.

[golden mulch]

depends PB had superb parses on high command bc everything is so stacked

[lone junco]

Lies.

[jaunty arrow]

i care about m+

[golden mulch]

yeayh then CT

[lone junco]

M+ is only Ct for now.

[strange python]

ct + sephuz 👌

[jaunty arrow]

so its not better on stack ads

[lone junco]

Just dontneed to use it on boss

[tiny vapor]

@lone junco (Yes, sorry !)

[jaunty arrow]

sephuz + shoulders?

[strange python]

bracers

imo shoulders are mostly a waste since you spend most of it garroting 3 times

[jaunty arrow]

ok ok

[strange python]

plus we tend to have high crit right now anyway

[grim canopy]

could hidden blades perhaps be usefull in lower m+ were stuff dies fast

or just completely trash everywere

[exotic glen]

should be straight up trash

if stuff dies reeaaally quickly

play outlaw

[short reef]

can anyone explain to me why Subterfuge is being used ST as Ass for ST

[exotic glen]

it does the most damage?

[short reef]

over NS

[strange python]

garrote and rupture have about the same base dmg now

[zealous lily]

100% extra damage is more than 50%

[ripe nimbus]

Garrote does good damage and any situation u can put 3 garrotes on anything make a it immensely better then NS

[zealous lily]

added benefit is when there are 3 targets or more that's a lot of leaky bois with subterfuge

[strange python]

well an empowered rupture does last longer than an empowered garrote

also I believe the recent simc profiles used exsang/nightstalker

but now I see it's back to subterfuge/tb

👌

[ripe nimbus]

Good

Fk a exsanq

[solid phoenix]

if ure spec'd crimson tempest, do u keep the debuff up on ST?

[strange python]

no

[solid phoenix]

aight

cheers

[strange python]

👍

wich talents are best now for pvp , after nerf ?

#pvp

[river quarry]

uh random but does anyone know what the pre-reqs are to getting the class mount quest off lilian voss?

can't see her around

[lofty junco]

finished the ToS island quest chain

[river quarry]

ToS island?

[lofty junco]

and finished ya orderhall quest chain

[calm grail]

Finish the Broken Shore Quests

[river quarry]

oh god the entire orderhall chain?

[lofty junco]

that area where tomb of sergeras is doesn't know the english name^^

ty nira^^

yeah broken shore and orderhall must be completed

[river quarry]

;_;

orderhall takes so long tho

i did it all on my drood

[lofty junco]

a while ago they "buffed" orderhall quest. now its faster then to begin of legion

should ya just take 2-3 days(cause of missions to take and the invasion that ya need to do)

ya can be glad that we haven't the questchain for mount from WL's that taked hours to finished xD

[river quarry]

hm the bloody druid one eisnt even there

and i did broken shore on the druid.

as well as the entire order hall quest chain

only thing I haven't done is argus?

[lofty junco]

reputation is high enough of legion judge(that demon hunter faction)

?

ya don't need argus for that

ya need that stage before exalted for that faction IIRC

[river quarry]

ah apparently I somehow didn't finish up all the legionfall campaign?

wtf

[lofty junco]

ya got the AV to finished the q-chain?

until that its not finished

[river quarry]

AV?

[lofty junco]

achievement^^

[river quarry]

done everything up to self-fulfilling prophecy

how annoying

gives me something to do before bfa i guess

but on two chars...

im cringing

[lofty junco]

yeah so ya missed something

2 things left i guess on druid?

do it then ya should have mount quest

[river quarry]

is that achi acc wide

so if i finish it on druid = works for rogue to get the class mount quest?

or D:

[lofty junco]

acc wide yeah but ya need to do it on every char that want mount-q

every char must do broken shore q-chain and order hall q-chain and got enough reputation for q

[river quarry]

ffs

that's dumb

i understand class quests

[lofty junco]

for more questions better to go #385145484559253506

[river quarry]

lol I somehow don't have strike them down which is "slay 100 demons on broke shore"

pretty sure I done that game.

did they add extra criteria or something?

[red burrow]

you can do the 100 demon part in 2 minutes

[river quarry]

yeah.

[red burrow]

go to azhara

[lofty junco]

imps^^

[river quarry]

did they add this in after broken shore came out?

[red burrow]

aszna*

[lofty junco]

no he need to do it on broken shore

[red burrow]

no it was always there

[river quarry]

cause I've done all of broken shore I'm amazed these aren't done

ahhh nvm I figured it out

[gritty yarrow]

Hmm, sometimes i dont get combo points after using mutilate. Im a missing something or wtf is this

[strange python]

parry

probably

[gritty yarrow]

0 parries for that fight

but has to be that, didnt know that was still a thing

[steep citrus]

when toxic blade gets parried and now it's on cooldown

good times

[strange python]

Be better

😛

[civic palm]

@simple portal Yeah the empowerment should be working unless something broke.

[proud wren]

do you replace mutilate with blindside spam on execute or keep only clicking on proc?

[strange python]

use blindside in execute unless you have venom rush talented

but no one uses venom rush

[civic palm]

and it procs, are we still on that?

[proud wren]

cheers

[modern birch]

I know there are recommendations in pins but atm what do you guys use legendary wise?

[gentle belfry]

Are we still using simcraft to generate pawn strings?

I noticed that SC is on like a 7.3 update right now

[ionic crown]

What else would you use

[strange python]

any combination of shoulders, sephuz, insignia, bracers are common

[chrome stag]

hello. boosted rogue to 110 few days ago, tried all 3 specs and can't decide between outlaw and assassination for world pvp and bg's (I don't intend playing arena much and I will probably raid on other main dps). can you help, what spec is more friendly for newcomer for occasional pvp play?

[strange python]

assassin is pretty simple

[royal lantern]

well, outlaw too

you dont need a PhD for both specs

[strange python]

what is more important to maintan EP or envenom>

?

Not sure how it is in PvP, but with assassin you have more 'downtime' than outlaw

both really simple, though

[gentle crown]

Do you need a PHD for Sub?

[strange python]

why ask in the sin channel xd

probs better to ask in sub

[gentle crown]

I think this should be the ass channel

IMO

[steep citrus]

i get it.

[chrome stag]

thx for answers boys, assassination it will be then 😉

[golden mulch]

What is the go to neck enchant these days, Trained Soldier?

Btw if i sim with sephuz does raidbots sim it with or without proc?

[rotund pier]

Satyr or Claw

[golden mulch]

oky

Does anybody know if my Sephuz sim calculates the proc or just raw stats?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j1C7Biy4BkfDoYykf1ejFr

Bc sephuz outsims my ravenhold for some reason 😄

[strange python]

stats

[golden mulch]

Oky cool but proc is not simed here right?

[strange python]

no proc by default

sephuz is great 👍

[golden mulch]

Sweet ty mate!

[exotic glen]

if you can get just one proc

its giga good

[sinful parcel]

Could someone explain to me why Subterfuge is the better talent? I don't understand how to use it

Is it just for the +Garrot dmg?

[exotic glen]

yes

i dont know what there is to explain

[gritty fox]

The garrote cooldown is pretty nice too on adds.

[sinful parcel]

The using of stealth abilities for 3 seconds after

[exotic glen]

its really good with multiple targets

[sinful parcel]

That's the part I don't get

is that part mostly for adds?

[exotic glen]

assa doesnt have any important stealth abilities in pve

just press garrote

[sinful parcel]

Ok that's what kinda confused me

[gritty fox]

is it better to spam garrotte or use garrote then mutilate?

[exotic glen]

garrote then mutilate

pressing garrote twice simmed to be like a 1% dps decrease by fuu if i remember correctly

[sinful parcel]

Also, what leggo should I aim for?

[exotic glen]

read pins

[gritty fox]

ah okay ty.

[sinful parcel]

Even though it's less then a week, lol

[strange python]

also leveling pins in #385145484559253506

leveling legendaries, I mean

So, without the one talent, cant quite remember it, our only aoe is the knife spinny thing?

[north terrace]

Well the final talent is all AoE stuff

So... whatever last talent you take is an AoE ability

But yeah, other than that just fan of knives

[strange python]

Yeah coming from ww seems really weird pressing just one button when dealing with trash 😄

[north terrace]

I mean... you press more than one button during trash >>

Just have only one actual individual button that hits all the mobs around you

Or 2 if you take CT

[acoustic hill]

how is sin looking in BfA?

[north terrace]

Looks like one of 3 rogue specs

Uses daggers and stuff

Melee

[acoustic hill]

ah thats bad ass

[exotic glen]

a bit like john cena

[acoustic hill]

well are we looking on par with other specs or ahead/behind?

other rogue specs

[exotic glen]

in BFA?

[north terrace]

totally somewhere in the mix... other specs are definitely either similar in DPS or above or below us in DPS

[exotic glen]

well im sorry but my crystal ball is not working properly atm

[paper horizon]

just play what you enjoy

😃 or learn to enjoy 😄

[strange python]

Coming back to the aoe subject

atm i pretty much spam knives until i have like 4-5 combo points and try to rupture as many enemies as possible

should i use combo points for something else when Aoe-ing trash?

[exotic glen]

crimson tempest

[strange python]

dont have that talent, using poison bomb

garrote 3 times from stealth if you have subterfuge

also maintaining env buff is good

[exotic glen]

well if you know that you're gonna go up against an AoE situation

[strange python]

esp. if you have tier 21

[exotic glen]

you dont go in with poison bomb picked

like m+

[strange python]

yeah true.

[fading spade]

so many fotm rogues lol

[paper horizon]

sorry didnt know that rogue is fotm atm i will play hunter bye

[wise frigate]

Just feels like everyone's playing rogue cause lots of people coming back from break and thinking of trying new things.

[civic palm]

Okay bye then 👋

[paper horizon]

^^

[civic palm]

Also... not actual increase to average connected accounts.

[wise frigate]

Don't think we're FotM by any means. Or will remain that way in BfA if we are now.

[paper horizon]

dont know i took a long break in legion and now i looked for a new main

lvld dk / warlock /druid

at least rogue i enjoyed the most

[fading spade]

rogue will go the way its always gone. 1. right now rogues are in a really good place. almost broken

2. they will get tweaked down over time and most ppl will quit and move to another spec.

3. those that stick with it will be g2g once they get their rebuff later in expac

[strange python]

people thinking pre patch is indicative of bfa performance 🤔

[fading spade]

that was my point.

i hope they continue to do well but since im the only rogue in my guild im not swappin any time soon

[strange python]

I mean, it doesnt matter. There's always been atleast one spec of rogue that was on top

[paper horizon]

i like the playstyle

dont know i do not look at damage meters

[strange python]

thats the best way to be

unless you're in a world first Mythic raiding guild

it really doesnt matter

[lime path]

I picked up rogue incase I had to play it

I doubt that I will need to

but just incase, it was pretty easy swapping from feral to assassination

raid utility is bonkers for rogues

but outside of like a top 100 mythic progression guild, I don't think the switch will be mandatory

[strange python]

It wont be, and if you're in a guild where the Raid lead tells you to swap; its a bad guild

leave immediately

[paper horizon]

its like Linux Distro Hopping - we have in WoW Class Hopping

😄

[lime path]

no one ever tells you directly to swap, they just imply that your raid spot is in contention until you cave

usually citing bullshit reasons

[exotic glen]

is not looking at damage meters the way to go unless you are in a top 100 guild?

did i read that correctly?

[paper horizon]

i dont care about damage meters. 5 years ago i looked at all meters i wanted to be the best not what me enjoyed most

[exotic glen]

you can do well on damage meters on bad classes

not looking at damage meters is just handicapping yourself

[paper horizon]

i do not chose my main class because its leading any meters

better?

[exotic glen]

yes

[paper horizon]

i will do my best as Damage Dealer

[strange python]

DPS meters are supposed to be a guide for your own performance, but instead people use it to gauge their worth against everyone else in the raid

[paper horizon]

i will perform in a good way thats my job as DD

[strange python]

its a mentality that bleeds into the community

because everyone wants to make world first hardcore guild problems their own

[paper horizon]

^-

[strange python]

the best spec is the one you are best at playing

[wide prairie]

comparing yourself to a diff class is like comparing a monster truck to a ferrari both good but at different things 😛 use logs instead and if you use dps meters use them to dig not just to see the straight up damage done

[golden dust]

dps meters are a near requirement for pugging difficult content

you need to know if one or more of your group are not pulling their weight

[paper horizon]

i think all specs have their pros and cons and thats the interesting aspect imo

[golden dust]

If you're in a +15, and one of your dps is barely pulling 2k dps

that's something you need to know

[strange python]

Thats not in question, whats in question is swapping classes because their not parsing the highest on raid encounters.

theyre

[golden dust]

it was a response to this

[wide prairie]

usualy a waste of time by the time its geared and you're efficient at it its nerfed or something else is better

[strange python]

I was talking about Mythic raiding with a guild; you're talking about pugging M+

which is fine

[golden dust]

It applies to both. Raid leaders need to be aware of who's pulling their weight too

the analogy just worked better with m+

If people are dying, how do you know who's failing? Maybe it's the dps standing in poop. Maybe it's a 1 button healer. DPS meters are not solely for you to rate your own performance

[strange python]

Parses

thats how you know whos failing

[golden dust]

🤦

[weak pine]

Yes and no

[wide prairie]

thing with parses is you can parse high while cheesing to oblivion doesnt mean you did good for your raid tho 😛

[strange python]

As with everything

A little of this and that combined with analysis

It requires you to be aware and do your homework

[mossy hazel]

Anyone have a good weakauras collection for sin updated for 8? I'm terrible at making these things and my old ones blew up. Lol

[weak pine]

I just love how 90% of questions here can be answered with either or

[civic palm]

That's what they're there for :3

[paper horizon]

[wide prairie]

should have a bot that just types 1 of those 2 every time someone asks something lol

[golden dust]

sim yo self

I love it

[paper horizon]

if i came the first time here and saw the "Check the Pins" Icon than i realized that there are a "Pin" function 😄

didnt know that before

[lime path]

If your dps is ever low enough to be a detriment, then yes, it will matter. but otherwise, if you're doing mechanics correctly and you're meeting dps checks

forcing a swap seems silly

[weak pine]

After next Wednesday I'll consider anyone who's 340 or below unqualified to be in a group with me

[civic palm]

You keep your smelly undergeared body away from me.

[lime path]

ilvl = skill. :kappa:

how the hell is that not an emote here

[strange python]

welcome to pugging M+ XD

[weak pine]

You mean M0

[paper horizon]

okay im out than @weak pine bye

[weak pine]

This is not a group

It's an open forum for discussion

[paper horizon]

aaah

😉

[weak pine]

Don't try to hit on me

I'll have you know there's only 1 pick up line I'll fall for

[lime path]

You guys should have a bot that auto responds with

https://i.gifer.com/1YDL.mp4

after you input a certain command.

[paper horizon]

xD

[wide prairie]

LOL

[golden dust]

wew

[wide prairie]

now all we need is for blizz to let us tmog the fish daggers and we'll be set for world domination

[paper horizon]

fish dagger?

[wide prairie]

yup

[paper horizon]

name? 😄

[wide prairie]

also we need outlaw rogues with double cookies tenderizers

dark herring @paper horizon

[paper horizon]

lol

[weak pine]

What we need is a dedicated raid group that will level to 120 during the first 10 hours and then go disrupt the other faction to oblivion

[paper horizon]

we shoukld move to OT 😛

[wide prairie]

are you saying talking about assassinating isnt relevant ? 😮

[paper horizon]

-_-

[weak pine]

Pull up dictionary and copy-paste the meaning of assassination here

And then say talking about killing the other faction is not relevant

[wide prairie]

with herring cause "herring seeks your life"

[paper horizon]

so... i go to bed

gn

[strange python]

[paper horizon]

Germany - 02:22 😛

[lime path]

I can't wait to slay as many alliance scum as I possibly can. I'll make you regret that 10% warmode boost.

For my warchief.

For the horde.

[exotic glen]

what afghanimal said

[strange python]

Ditto

[wide prairie]

we beat him @weak pine Hi5

[exotic glen]

death to anyone that im able to attack

friend or foe

so uh

[paper horizon]

we will see you on alliance side 😛

[exotic glen]

not really for the horde

[paper horizon]

Gnome power !

haha

[exotic glen]

more like for myself

me vs everyone

bring it on

[paper horizon]

lul

so gn

[wide prairie]

argonic just gonna sit and quote c'thun from 110 - 120 lol

[weak pine]

Why have I been summoned here

I was already half-asleep

[exotic glen]

sad you cant kill other hordes with warmode

[weak pine]

Btw It's 3:25 for me

[exotic glen]

so i could like whisper them

then kill them

[weak pine]

I'd pretend to be their friend, gain their trust, get into kinky roleplay and when they take off their armour stab them in the throat and steal all their valuables

[lime path]

ur such a rogue

[exotic glen]

no

see enemy

kill enemy

[weak pine]

That's stupid gameplay

I like to wait for the perfect opportunity

[exotic glen]

its the way of the murder hobo

[weak pine]

What if there are other enemies nearby?

[exotic glen]

kill them too

[weak pine]

What if he's hiding a strong power?

[civic palm]

Hide your strong power...

duh.

[wide prairie]

warcraft has gameplay

[lime path]

you have to do a cloaking check

[exotic glen]

hide your powerlevel

[lime path]

and a critical check

[weak pine]

But it's over 9

[lime path]

and a charisma check

[lone junco]

RP rouge. Just their face.

[lime path]

and see what your dual wield and offhand penalties are

[weak pine]

I'd rather check my watch so I know what to tell their mother once I deliver the victim's body to her doorstep

[wide prairie]

ah im undead so i just eat the corpses

hide the evidence

[weak pine]

You still have a pelvis

So you can be violated

[lone junco]

I haven't done the corpse eat in like 6 yrs maybe.

[lime path]

any orifice can be violated if you're less than averagly endowed enough

[wide prairie]

and any bones left i roll cause you know

[lone junco]

Maybe 10

[weak pine]

My pfp is a freaking tentacle monster

[lone junco]

I could bind it for leveling at least.

[exotic glen]

you can even make your own @lime path

[lime path]

that's what daggers are for

duh

[exotic glen]

i knew i picked the right choice when rolling rogue

[weak pine]

Yea, blizzard already nerfing us

[wide prairie]

day after he swaps #4% nerfs

[weak pine]

Better reroll into arms warrior

[wide prairie]

LOL

[strange python]

lul

[wide prairie]

go fury and use daggers

[weak pine]

Can't wait to dual-wield 2-handed daggers

[wide prairie]

no no @weak pine its big daggers not 2h ones 😃

if we call them big daggers we wont have competition cause noone wants daggers

[weak pine]

The point of having 2 massive daggers is the flavour text obviously smh

Also the fact that 2-handed weapons have higher stats

[wide prairie]

and they are loot

and i like loot

[strange python]

Its too bad its all personal loot now, i'd really like to see warriors compete for Staves and daggers

[wide prairie]

DH with daggers Omegalul

[strange python]

XD

[wide prairie]

people already crying cause they cant tmog their precious glaives

[strange python]

Casual problems

[wide prairie]

funny how they managed to look away from crunchieroll long enough to notice tho

[weak pine]

Who cares about personal loot

My guild uses aided master loot: Everybody has an addon that announced any gear drops they can trade and after that it's time for loot council

Obviously for the first week there will be no loot since I'll already be 380 before that

Why am I still up at 3:37 AM? I don't even know myself

[strange python]

380...?

[wide prairie]

id say cast your call of the wilds and tuck in

[weak pine]

Sweet dreams y'all, because I just might make them your last

[strange python]

pretty sure the titanforge cap pre raid is 355

[civic palm]

3 8 0

[weak pine]

M0 is 340 is it not?

[wide prairie]

anyhow thanks for the chat got a steak to cook

keep stabbing peeps

[summer yoke]

what profs yall taking for launch?

pve focused

[golden dust]

herb/inscrip

contracts 2 stronk

[summer yoke]

i was thinking the same, but they are BOP, so you can just buy them from someone right?

[golden dust]

Lol if you wanna pay for em

[strange python]

is it worth even if u start from 0?

@golden dust

[golden dust]

uh

professions were reworked so idk why not

everyone's starting from bfa 0

[summer yoke]

but i wanna do LW to get the 2 pieces of 355 gear i think it is

[strange python]

yeah but idk how it works on in bfa

i was thinking herb alchemy

just for ez money @ start of bfa

when flasks and pots are overpriced asf

[crude bay]

Herb/inc until 120, lw/inc until exalted then alch/lw rest of exp

I mean alch/inc until exalted, to do transmutes, then lw once exalted

[strange python]

Just a small tip

If you care

Reputation is gonna play a pretty huge role in progression, so if you want to maximize that id pick up inscription early

i never used inscription lmao

what does it even do

[golden dust]

it inscribes things

[empty tide]

Glyphs and rep

[golden dust]

and respec tomes

and scrolls for class buffs

[strange python]

hm

that sounds good for hmm

a healer

does it help with gaining reputation or something ?

Pick up inscription early, then swap to what you want once youve got the rep you need

[golden dust]

@strange python literally read 6 lines above what you said

[strange python]

i did

[golden dust]

then why are you asking if it helps with gaining reputation?

we've said it does

[strange python]

noice

[crude bay]

Really helpful with the answers though

@strange python Inscription makes contracts which you can use on yourself, to make world quests give you extra rep for a chosen faction

[strange python]

yeah i just read that on forums

25 per WQ seems alright

[crude bay]

You wanna run the ones for CoA as each level of rep gives you +15 ilvl on neck (fri/hon/rev/exa)

[strange python]

considering WQ itself gives 75 rep

[crude bay]

If you do every WQ every 8 hours, from start to finish, with contract, youll be exalted (+60 ilvl on neck) for mythic release

[strange python]

yeah i'll probably go with inscription for the start

but i'll end up either with alchemy and herb or jewel + enchanting

lol

[quick ice]

Didn't it get nerfed to 10/wq?

[strange python]

jewel + ench made so much money for me in legion

uh, not sure

i just seen 25 on forums

could be old post tho

[quick ice]

Medivh's guide says it's 10 now

[strange python]

well then it's kinda ehhh

25 was really good imo

it was 1/3 of total WQ rep

[civic palm]

Yeah really good.

[crude bay]

Still want it though, as youll be doing shitloads of WQs every day

[strange python]

true

[crude bay]

it adds up to alot, given you more time to farm AP once done

[strange python]

im gonna spam every WQ there is for the first weeks of bfa

[crude bay]

or focus on alts

[strange python]

then i'll get bored

[quick ice]

They buffed rep from CoA specific quests to compensate, but I doubt it's equal

[strange python]

If you're going for cutting edge, and want to be prepared for the release of Mythic Uldir its a good idea

[civic palm]

It's overkill.

[crude bay]

Really depends on how high you play

[civic palm]

Just doesn't take that long to get where you need to be per character.

[strange python]

Then dont take it

[haughty lily]

where did the pre nerf data come from

[crude bay]

You wont be exalted without doing almost every WQ with contract from early launch

[haughty lily]

do you guys know

[strange python]

do you need to be exalted before mythic ?

or wtf

[crude bay]

Depends really what level youre playing

[quick ice]

You don't NEED to be

[civic palm]

There's some gear with 50% good stats.

[quick ice]

But +15ilvl to neck is nice

[strange python]

oh

i see

tbh i dont think neck ilvl is that important

[civic palm]

It helps for sure.

[strange python]

it gives some more stats but it's not big of a deal

[crude bay]

Really depends on what raid we're looking at

is it a 1 week clear like EN, having +60 ilvl first week is more important than if it takes a couple weeks to down ghuun

[strange python]

true

[crude bay]

As youll get exalted second week probably without the "extra" effort

[strange python]

The faster you get exalted the faster you unlock high ilvl gear that fills slots around azerite armor

on beta neck is rather 'whatever', because at beta's max level (370ish) neck is pretty weak compared to other parts

in terms of stats

[crude bay]

Im having my main (shaman) and rogue at exalted for mythic week atleast

[strange python]

a shaman!

[golden dust]

doesn't the necks ilvl determine how many traits you can unlock on azerite gear?

I thought I remembered reading that somewhere

[civic palm]

Don't think so.

That might have been some early stuff?

[strange python]

No

[golden dust]

Huh ok, guess I was mistaken

[civic palm]

It's just another bar now.

That increases in level with gained AP.

[strange python]

Its just like the netherlite crucible. you unlock a + ilvl upgrade but its not directly tied to any azerite traits

its just a weaker arcanocrystal brother

[crude bay]

Neck ilvl is just pure stats, Azerite power is the grind for traits, where first 2 are crucial for mythic, third will help, and fourth probably unobtainable early on

[strange python]

im glad they are keeping this grind system

[civic palm]

Some people claim there's not enough.

[strange python]

well they can't make it too grindy because a lot of people would cry

[civic palm]

Sure.

[strange python]

mostly people that can't afford 5h+ every single day

and thats fine

[civic palm]

People are also missing the other activities around raiding and dungeons.

[strange python]

but having SOMETHING to grind like artifact power in legion or azerite in bfa is cool

always something to do

[civic palm]

Yeah but AP in Legion was baaaaaaaad

For like a year.

[strange python]

imo 54 traits in legion were too grindy?

idk

i felt like it

[crude bay]

35 pre ToV was pretty harsh

[strange python]

nighthold 54 traits were worse imo

it was a must to raid

mythic

[drifting cloud]

yeah nh was harder from memory

[crude bay]

I was far from 35 pre ToV, but got 54 without really trying that hard?

Like people running maws straight for hours on hours to be ready for mythic tov

[strange python]

hard for people who only log in to raid and afk in dalaran.

[gritty fox]

Going from afk in garrison wod style too the grind in legion was rough.

[summer yoke]

do pvp and pve talents differ? i see this for single target sin 3210021

would you use that for pvp and pve?

[supple hearth]

No. PvP is going to change depending on scenario

[grim canopy]

So for starting out lower M+ in a few weeks should i go outlaw over sin?

since stuff will die fast

[crude bay]

Why will it die fast if everyone is shitty geared?

[lime path]

because lower lvls keys have mobs with low hp, makeimg them susceptible to front loaded AOE burst

[crude bay]

But lower lvls keys wont be low compared to the gear youll have at the beginning

[lime path]

even if they don't die in 3 globals, they're not gonna live long enough for bleed ticks to really pull their weight until you get to probably +6 or higher

even with baseline gear, a lot of specs still have decent frontloaded burst

and all that will mean is maybe the gear will inhibit you on week 1 or 2

but M+ doesnt even come out until week 4 or 5

and by then everyone will be normal/heroic raid geared

which means a low mythic+ key will more than likely not pose much trouble even for the slowpokes

but as always, everything is subject to change and tuning

all we can do is speculate based off beta information

[crude bay]

Then why would you do a low key if your gear is at a level to do higher keys which award better gear?

[lime path]

so who knows if it will hold true in 3 weeks

Did they change the way the key system works? don't you need to do a key to push it if you didn't get a higher one the previous week?

so the first week that keys are available, everyone's gonna start with keys earned from Mythic 0 runs

meaning you're inevitably gonna do a 1, 2, or 3 key to start with

unless they drastically revamped the system and I'm unware of it.

[crude bay]

Yeah, but at that level being sin or outlaw doesnt really matter, why bother changing spec and gear and setting up keybinds etc for 15 minutes of a quick key is what i mean

[lime path]

I agree

which is why I'm disagreeing with your earlier statement that things won't die fast if everyone's "shittily" geared

because even with that shitty gear, things will still die fast until you get to higher keys

[supple hearth]

You said normal or heroic raid geared but m+ comes out same time raid does. Everyone will be heroic/m0 dungeon geared

[lime path]

M+ comes out the same week as mythic raid, yeah?

or was that changed?

[crude bay]

Exactly, first week of m+ we won't be geared that low keys will go quiiiiick

[supple hearth]

Yes Sept 4

PvP season also starts same day

[drifting cloud]

no m+ comes out same as normal/heroic

[crude bay]

m+ comes with normal/hc raid?

Yeah

[lime path]

Then yeah, people will have m0/normal/heroic raid gear, obviously due to personal loot they won't be fully decked out

[drifting cloud]

it will just be ilvl capped 1st week most likely

[lime path]

but they'll have enough gear that mythic +1/+2/+3 won't be an issue

[supple hearth]

People will only have dungeon gear when m+ and raid come out

[lime path]

alright nvm then, they'll be going in with just Mythic 0 gear

[supple hearth]

But ya 1-3 will be ez

[lime path]

that should still be more than enough for 1-3 keys

[crude bay]

and gear from one hc clear ofcourse

[lime path]

and any subsequent gear that comes from those 1-3 keys

[crude bay]

but still not so much to make outlaw over sin a definite choice

[lime path]

just play what you're good at/comfortable with

even if one spec is better than the other

[crude bay]

But again, i have never played rogue so should just stfu xd

[lime path]

unless you're intimately familiar with both, the difference is gonna be mitigated by your lack of ability to pilot both specs at a top level anyway

[crude bay]

But i figured outlaw has more burst aoe than sin, which is why he asked

[lime path]

even if it does

the amount of dmg it offers would have to be higher than the difference of your ability to pilot sin

because if you suck at outlaw, but you're good at sin

you're probably not gonna get as much of a dmg boost as you think

rather than playing sin at a level where you can parse orange or w.e

bumping down to outlaw where you're only at 60% for your ilvl

would mean that outlaw would have to be obscenely stronger for you to net benefit from the swap

unless of course you can pilot other specs close enough to the level that you can pilot your main spec, etc

eh maybe I'm rambling

TL;DR - do w.e feels right.

[crude bay]

much text

[tame glen]

Unless you're at the bleeding edge of progression, play whatever you want and play it well and you'll be successful

TL;DR Git gud, do w/e

Except play a Ranged. You wouldn't want to be filthy, traitorous scum, now would you?

[quaint rune]

did they nerf the dmg again in that hotfix?

or is that the hotfix from before

[grim canopy]

Well outlaw is pretty easy too and hopefully easy to do 2 specs thsi time no more artifact or leggo

from the start that is

[ionic crown]

@lime path it tilts me when you say +1

[lime path]

oh right

2 is the lowest right

[ionic crown]

to the gulag

[lime path]

forgive me, I quit 10 months ago and just came back

$nobully

[strange python]

So

An aimed shot hit me for 25k

BLizz

Why

[sharp star]

Oh hey Afghanimal XD

[jagged yoke]

does assassination still do the thing where u wait the last second of surge of toxins to use an envenom?

[strange python]

So we have 25k aimed shots in pvp and unkillable disc priests. But rogues get nerfbat

tbh pvp doesnt even feel different

I'm salty that I can be almost 1 hit at 110 by a hunter with an aimed shot 2.5sec cast

[sharp star]

Just dodge the shot bro

nbd

[merry elbow]

They nerfed hunters. MM is dog shit right now and cant 1 shot anyone

Also who cares about pvp 5 days before BFA? Its not like MMs were hitting with aimed shots for 150k on beta. Marksman on 120 is waay worse than on 110

[strange python]

Dima try using evasion

[lime path]

shadowstep the shot to juke behind them

easy

or blind them during the cast, can't aim if you can't see

🤔

[strange python]

Or dont pvp until this balancing shit show is over

[lime path]

pvp hasn't been balanced like... ever

even in vanilla, people were crying about something

[ionic crown]

in vanilla half the specs were barely playable

[rotund barn]

Anybody been doing high m+ keys as sin?

[warm parcel]

Surge of toxins hasnt been in game for a while

@jagged yoke

[strange python]

@rotund barn prepatch or beta?

[rotund barn]

@strange python Prepatch current

[ionic crown]

define high

[rotund barn]

from the 20-25 range

[strange python]

Why

[rotund barn]

wondering how much the m+ rotation has changed with the garrote buff and tempest talent

[strange python]

/g moin

[copper sinew]

@rotund barn It depends on the pack size. If it's like 3 mobs then you can Garrote all from stealth (with subterfuge, else only one, obviously), CT them, Rupture all, then keep DoTs up and hit one or another Envenom.

If it's like 10 Mobs, just garrote one, then FoK and CT away

3 and 10 are placeholders and not precise pack values from any theorycrafting/sims/anything

[rotund barn]

@copper sinew I was thinking something like that. Do you think anything over 5 is too much for trying to rupture all targets?

[warm parcel]

Aoe prio is fairly simple

Have ct up
Garrote on cd as long as someone is missing
Rupture if ct wont drop

And no, theres no target caps

[copper sinew]

Did you account the base damage of CT into that prio?

Or is that from sims?

[warm parcel]

What do you mean

To skip rup and just ct mongo?

[copper sinew]

Yep, that's what provides more damage for me in large groups

[warm parcel]

Sure if you pull mobs that die in 20 sec

Or pull 20 mobs

[copper sinew]

I'm talking 5 mobs over 40 seconds

[warm parcel]

Realistic m+ pulls vary around 5 mobs Id wanna say, and dont die insta

Naa 5 mobs you actually play normally

[jagged yoke]

is elaborate planning the same kinda thing as surge of toxins? from what i remember u have to use envenom right at the last second or something?

[civic palm]

Effectively the same.

[jagged yoke]

damn i wasnt keen on that...is that the best talent on the row?

[civic palm]

atm, in a week probably not.

in 3 weeks who knows

[jagged yoke]

yeah true...is it a big dps loss not doing it?

[civic palm]

When now? Not huge, the future will depend on raid tuning to tell.

[jagged yoke]

no worries thanks for the answers

[civic palm]

Check the Pins for the information

[warm parcel]

You wont be able to even upkeep ep like that

[chrome stag]

are there any guides for assass. rogues for bfa and prepatch?

for pvp

[warm parcel]

You wont have resources for it

[jagged yoke]

oh really...whats changed?

[warm parcel]

Plenty

[civic palm]

Check guide and pins.

Most of the information will be fine for the coming weeks.

[warm parcel]

Ep lasts 1 sec less
You dont have tier
You dont have 50 crit

[civic palm]

I do not believe talents will change too much.

and yeah maintaining EP in BfA ain't a thing.

[chrome stag]

what, I did not know talent will change at all when bfa comes out?

[jagged yoke]

awesome that sounds alot better...im not keen on when rogue pools energy

[warm parcel]

Noone kwnos what talents we end up using man

Blizz can change what ever they want the moment they do a balance patch

[frank nest]

I loved the pool and then blow through a ton of things, then repeat. I'm not keen on Blindside though. >.>

[jagged yoke]

i like blindside...bit of a boring animation though

[frank nest]

Blindside to me, feels like a huge copout and just flat out wrong for Assassination. I remember when they added it. My friend and I were drooling over the animation. RIP Old Poison animations.

Added Mutilate

That is.

[civic palm]

I still think Blindside will end up winning for Tier 22 before we get the stats to overcome it. Will see.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jagged yoke]

what dop u guys think of that aoe finisher?

crimson tempest

[copper sinew]

It's red. And black. And an AoE.

What is your question?

[jagged yoke]

lol these class discords ay

[copper sinew]

If you'd ask a precise question you'd get a precise answer. Do you want a 5 page essay about Crimson Tempest?

[jagged yoke]

so many miserable people

why talks like that

[frank nest]

@copper sinew What are your exact thoughts and feelings on the usage of the word, "victim" in the tooltip text of Crimson Tempest? Just because we are hurting someone else, are they really victims? What if they deserve it? Does that change the way we view them?

[jagged yoke]

yeh sorry guys i forgot wow is serious business. silly me for talking about assassination in the assassination discord

[copper sinew]

@frank nest That depends how you define the word victim. We're basically targeting the monster/animal/demon/human/elemental/etc. with our spell "Crimson Tempest", so it becomes our "victim". While the subject itself might not be a victim in it's general life or habitat, it definitely becomes a victim of ours. As we are always fighting for a greater good, even if it's for the 3 gold from Ronald McDonald in Dalaran, it's our mission to use Crimson Tempest on this specific target, so they deserve it in a rational matter. However, if we're talking ethic, I am not to judge the target, the quest giver or people doing that quest.

[frank nest]

LOL

[copper sinew]

@jagged yoke Seriously though - "what is your question?" was by no means offending you or anyone else. The part before was meant as a little fun tease, as it's questions like those that are being answered ten times a day. Precise questions lead to precise answers and/or discussion, which everyone in this or any other class discord should encourage. Your question might be valid and reasonable to you - to me, it's basic.

Crimson Tempest adds diversity to our playstyle. We can start choosing talents, as opposed to using Poison Bomb in every encounter, be it Single target, burst AoE or sustained AoE, as Hidden Blades sucks right now. I take Crimson Tempest for sustained AoE (M+ generaly) and won't take it for any raid boss that consists of 2 or less enemies. 2 permanent targets might be questionable, but that's something we can sim. For ST, it's Poison Bomb all day, even with it's RNG component.

[civic palm]

O _O

[jagged yoke]

Im not offended at all im just wondering what people think about it. If you dont want to answer then just dont answer. Theres a new assassination skill and I was wondering what people thoughts are on it

[strange python]

Its an AoE skill.

[ionic crown]

yikes

[civic palm]

_> yeah

[ionic crown]

was there a conversation about the morality of attacking mobs in game

i don't really want to read that far back

[civic palm]

Something about people not answering people in a way that someone wanted.

Wanting "thoughts" and not fact.

[ionic crown]

sounds like feelycraft

burn it

[civic palm]

We're not throwing it in the mines?

[ionic crown]

not this time

[civic palm]

Oh well.

[supple mesa]

So since we use 2 1 handers can we enchant both of them? If so can we put 2x navigator and will they stack?

[copper sinew]

Enchantments should affect the weapon they're enchanting, so main hand enchant for main hand hits, off hand enchant for off hand hits. I believe those stack, yeah, but I'm not sure about it ^^

[delicate crater]

Just got back from work and my Sin is siming for about 140 dps less than it was when I went to work. Did Simcraft update something today?

nevermind, apparently they did

[ionic crown]

they updated for the nerf

[civic palm]

4% OFF

OUR BIGGEST SALE OF THE YEAR BEGINS NOW

[dapper moat]

Was there some other ners for sin rogues besides that 4 percent off?

*nerfs

[civic palm]

Narp.

[warm parcel]

Pvp ones there were

[civic palm]

Yeah but weren't those in over a wEak ago?

[warm parcel]

dno when they were ingame

People said 2 days ago they werent in yet

[civic palm]

o _o

[dapper moat]

Pvp ones? 🤔

But if it was week ago already then its fine because last nights bg's went well 🤣

[severe grotto]

Last week on PTR 👍

Live got it togheter with 4% nerf

[lone junco]

@jagged yoke Ct is good.

[untold stone]

The other nerfs, 20% things and 50% less garrote etc Will be live in BFA?

[strange python]

Yes

[untold stone]

Oki

[grim jay]

phew

that crimson tempest question

[ionic marsh]

so... any good weakauras for assassination rogues? As clean and simple as possible because I am new to this class

[ionic crown]

[grim jay]

https://wago.io/

[steep moth]

hi i would like to know which legendaries will be best for leveling assassination rogue in bfa

[shrewd pine]

Check pins in quick question

[steep moth]

thank you !

[strange python]

Cloak and bootd!

[shrewd night]

C L A K

[mossy hazel]

I thought the correct answer was

[ionic marsh]

is it possible, and would it be wise, to have cheap shot and kidney shot on the same button? Since I can only use cheap shot in stealth anyway I could use the same button for kidney shot, or is that bad?

[mossy hazel]

I mean I'm pretty sure there's macros you can write for like if(stealth) {cheapshot}else{kidneyshot}

[quartz depot]

if you pvp it's probably bad, otherwise it doesnt really matter

[mossy hazel]

I don't know how to write them though and I don't know if it makes sense, don't see why not

Also, if you're using subterfuge, that might be a problem since you can continue using cheap shot for a few seconds after leaving stealth

[lone junco]

Sometimes I want to kidney during subterfuge.

Or shadow dance. Binding stuff like that is not necessary.

Muscle memory says that one takes full cps the other is in opener. No thx.

[strange python]

He isnt asking what you are doing tho.

[lone junco]

So. I'm just saying I think it is a bad idea.

[ripe dock]

TIL

[lone junco]

Longicornis knows what's up.

[exotic glen]

did you think blizzard invented exsanguinate out of nothing

[dry void]

looking at its power it seems possible

[lone junco]

They invent very little. But have a good spread of tidbits.

Recycling of boss effects is kinda funny. "Ah. They did that on Tyrant." "Ah. That's like hans&franz"

[dark crag]

Holy shit, time to move to the northpole

[formal folio]

assasin going to be raiding rogue spec?

[shrewd pine]

nobody knows, tuning isnt done

[strange python]

I suppose Sin will be OK for leveling from 110 to 120. Suppose all specs right

[shrewd pine]

all three specs are fine, sin is arguably weakest

[strange python]

You tink outlaw is better? regarding the leveling story

[shrewd pine]

yes

[strange python]

Well you did answer it already in your second last comment. iam sleepy sorry 😃

[random sable]

guys

How much damage does a soulbound item do?

It doesn't show any damage

[strange python]

Huh?

Soulbound has nothing to do with damage

[modern birch]

Soulbound simply means it's untradable and bound to your character, has nothing to do with anything else

[random sable]

Oooh

Yeah sorry, im very new to the game

[strange python]

It's ok. Welcome 👍

[modern birch]

have to learn somehow ^^

[strange python]

I keep simming my toon and it keeps telling me that haste is the shittiest stat? that cant be true, right?

im sitting at 15% haste

Agi > Crit > Vers > Mastery > Haste

[plain thistle]

simming where? raidbots?

[strange python]

simulation craft.

[plain thistle]

and using a recent version?

[strange python]

god i hope so

let me check

[plain thistle]

if you have to check, you probably dont have the right version

because simc release a version every week

[solar quarry]

Haste is bis I'm at 21%

[strange python]

7.3.5 ver 1

[plain thistle]

just use raidbots.com, its a web version of simc

[strange python]

up do date tho

[dark token]

What patch are we on

Lmfao

[shrewd pine]

we're on 8.0.1 7.3.5 definitely isnt up to date

[plain thistle]

lol, thats a super old version

[strange python]

well

[dark token]

A whole patch behind whew up to date btw

[strange python]

fuck me

[shrewd pine]

there is no auto update for the app

[plain thistle]

use https://www.raidbots.com/simbot and be happy

[shrewd pine]

you have to download nightly versions

[strange python]

thanks everyone

[dark token]

If you want the program directly I find the easiest workflow is build from github

I have a cronjob to do that

Always has a nightly build

[jaunty ginkgo]

is there any ammount of haste that lets you get 4 garrotes off after stealth?

with subterfuge

[lone junco]

I doubt.

But you can do the 4th without the cd.

I think.

I've been playing with 4p20 and there is no cd at all.

[jaunty ginkgo]

4th is possible just not empowered right?

[fading spade]

if you use the Simulation Craft program you have to download the beta version manually so it will work for 8.0.1@strange python but like others said, raidbots.com is pretty much the same thing and is up to date

[strange python]

pretty sure our gcd is locked at 1 second anyway

[slender peak]

Yea not sure you can get more than 3 with subterfuge then the 4 will be un empowered and trigger the cd

Yea not sure you can get more than 3 with subterfuge then the 4 will be un empowered and trigger the cd

[strong tusk]

anybody know this trix that Zempai use to do 1.5x more damage on every ability then intended? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/43L2ZcKhgH8QGqmY#fight=1&type=damage-done&translate=true

[zealous lily]

🤷

[wheat zealot]

Mastery bug?

[strange python]

Its fixed for a long time now

[strong tusk]

thank you. i thought that bugged logs from start of prepatch already deleted from ranked

[strange python]

it's undetectable other than just big numbers

from the logs perspective

[honest compass]

Unless the person who uploaded it deletes it they stay up

Bugged or not

[warm parcel]

How do people even find these

I mean its zempai

[strange python]

Well its #1 hc huh