assassination

[summer yoke]

so much info

[lone junco]

Crimson Tempest only on multiple targets at 4+ CP when running out in 2s (up to 4 targets) or 3s (5+ targets)

actions.dot+=/crimson_tempest,if=spell_targets>=2&remains<2+(spell_targets>=5)&combo_points>=4

not sure thats 100% best but its good enough for now.

[devout temple]

oh wow toomuch science for me

[dire spoke]

36apm == ez spec btw

[civic palm]

wow too much speed for me

[vestal wren]

sin was the slowest apm spec through legion 😉

[lone junco]

best spec

top damage less clicking, good return on investment.

[sterile marten]

San'layn might be a race right?

I remember reading something about them

[split comet]

Super tinfoil hat theory

[shrewd pine]

#off-topic

[hasty coral]

so with new weapons, do u want to use 210 from world quests?

also what should be preferred main hand/off hand? as far as sword and daggers go?

[latent glade]

What ilvl is your artifacts?

[hasty coral]

228

[latent glade]

I think artifacts are better then

[hasty coral]

k thx

[prisma cypress]

is it worth it to play around the envenom buff by waiting for it to drop before envenoming again?

i cant see a reason not to do it but the guide doesnt mention it

[dire spoke]

You clip EP/Env on 0.1s to not loose uptime

and even possibly buff your next Envenom by EP if talented

[nocturne gate]

war am ersten tag eig iwas broken das du überall rank 1 bist :D

[dire spoke]

mastery exploit

[supple mesa]

Zempai run 😂

[dire spoke]

[prisma cypress]

so what you're saying is that using envenom while the EP buff is up is more important than not wasting the envenom buff?

so i'd envenom during ep if i can, otherwise (or if i'm not using ep) just wait for the envenom buff to drop

[supple mesa]

Man just press buttons and get parses

[prisma cypress]

i dont wanna do it wrong man

[supple mesa]

Maintaining envenom buff is all you need to worry about because elaborate planning and maintaining env buff go hand in hand

[prisma cypress]

but the envenom buff is longer

or is there some pandemic thing going on

[supple mesa]

No

Because if you spend cps on envenom

What happens

[nocturne gate]

but its not recomment to finish with (unlucky crit) 3cp to keem em up ?

[shrewd night]

bruh

sometimes I worry about you gage

[supple mesa]

I worry about me too

[primal tendon]

Ya'll gonna level as Assassination in BfA or nah?

[civic palm]

Probably.

[shrewd night]

no

[safe matrix]

no

[shrewd pine]

no

[exotic glen]

no

[polar cape]

naay

[undone cedar]

im gonna level as Outlaw probs

[sterile marten]

+15% run speed op

[rotund pier]

Sin has 20% nightstalker

decent alternative

[supple mesa]

Any of you good at making weak auras? All the ones on waigo are way to flashy for me lol

[civic palm]

Are they?

[supple mesa]

I just want an envenom icon that shows the time left on the buff

[civic palm]

dWZweaGEHO2fOyBOq)MIBtkZMsltq3uGk)ss4BOGZljTtr2RA3OA)cu1pLknmbmoqYPboSugSardNqhuiOplkhJGZbcwOKYsfcSyq1YL4Hcr6PipMu9CIMOqitLKjlQMo0fbrxfe6YuDDuAJsI2QqsBwOSDPQpkeQVdsnnHuZtGuJuGsRtGKrJIgVuXjfs8mHQRbkDpbcRuGI)kP61cr8cRMaNeIhgcfdtYPqyyeggN0MYNYxn10rqVRkGSmVeCMC)uGj2IDIjIIYGQIkGULzGbyQiydgicpkjBuzOcbimb4Ox4nBu9Iey4NGDQXbAney4RMKyRGRMWQI(KyXLoojwCPJtsli3HBq0OnofdWbsMRMWQI(KyXLoojwCPJtsli3HBq0OnooHfqwMxwnzGM3LBRETjEtZLRojmbjV35gTXjPOBTrjxU6KWP4HmgnSJtsMgO7YNKmnq3LhH6iO3hNy6GmM4P4moznT8vtaEwXWkUAsJ1IGvJJtSsVo379Y1M0TnPC1KeWZS(ue0nIHiKJtSsVUUTjLxBQyS(QjnwlcwnooXk96srx)AtyZ6CmC1KgRfbRghNWM154QjjGNz9tmmPXArWQtmCTtq4AJJtSsVEVZeOB9HpjfD9vtsapZ6NegNYbXIb0zTy1vtASweSACCIv617DMaDRdrWWNI10rGHVAsJ1IGvJJtLMUVAsJ1IGvJJtSsVUOJWBiA9Hpj2lInRZXvtASweSACCCc9oyyLgoovzPX1nazxUpvTBSyshpfc7eNvtvazzErEsyQ4zadxvv0Na6g(uNUXIjD8KqayNqVdgwPHJeiY(PWatqdYrMNIZ4e6DWqi5n4wp)Atr2y0ofaM4tG8ji59o3Of8bzeXwAiWWNqVdkajVb365dFcWbyDj2kONFsys3WZbiWWLRojSAsNPRhjRMWcilZlNcmzeNc6GyQVvan4wFY7ickney4kGMp13SS(KamqnoPZSXZC5QtcRM6BwwF1jHtbofEs4u8tbGjadbGfkOcJdBieIwqaQtrFsyCsSye9cwDc9oyyKASMY4444KUXyZnqZh(4uB1eK8ENB0ojepmekggN6pjeDOW4da

There

[exotic glen]

another time, you can just make a template WA

theres a button that will do it all for you

[supple mesa]

Thank you man!

What do you mean argonic?

[exotic glen]

type /wa, press new, press template

then you can have some fun exploring just a bit

you can make a lot of necessary weakauras with the template button

tweaking them is going to be the most difficult part

[supple mesa]

Oh shit i see

Thanks alot I didn't know about this xD

[exotic glen]

we're here to help each other 😃

[supple mesa]

❤

[strange python]

Hey guys
Are insignia of Ravenhold+sephuz now the best ST leggo combo? and are cloak+mantle still the best AOE?
i can see that for some encounters like kin'garoth where insignia and mantle are bis and coven it's cloak+sephuz are they also still true? or do people just doing double ring for ST and cloak+mantle for aoe?

From warcraftlogs' perspective top 3 assassination, 2nd and 3rd are using mangtle+sephuz only, i'm not sure which to trust, the logs or icy 🤔 (sorry for the wall)

[civic palm]

[shrewd night]

Sim yourself.

[supple mesa]

I did it dad

[strange python]

i've sim'd myself already i was more just curious since i saw mantle plus sephuz on mostly everyone when it comes to top logs but i guess it doesn't matter much since BFA is launching soon

[summer eagle]

bonsoir j'ai une question sur la quette pour l'arme on peux m'aider svp ?

[exotic glen]

speak english

[civic palm]

HMMMMM

[exotic glen]

🤔

[civic palm]

Quest.

Quest for the weapon.

[summer eagle]

I'm blocking at phase 3, the smoke bomb is not working

I restart the quest 3 times

[safe matrix]

what is the quests name

[summer eagle]

the invincible blade

[safe matrix]

this one?

[summer eagle]

it's the quest to have the prodigious weapon

[shrewd night]

[civic palm]

What's the name of the quest?

[summer eagle]

the invincible blade

use the smoke bomb in the trade hall

[civic palm]

Oh right I remember that.

I am trying to remember if there was anything weird with that that I remember.

Other than making sure you are where you need to be, in the right building/etc. I can't think of anything weird going on there.

Might wanna make sure War Mode is turned off? Might be putting you in an instance or phase that the quest does not like.

[exotic glen]

i remember the kingslayers questline as being pretty buggy

i can only recommend abandoning the quest and trying again

or making a ticket

[safe matrix]

kingslayer questline was the funnest one though

[exotic glen]

best

[summer eagle]

it's a sesame character and never used war mode

[civic palm]

I remember there being an issue with the next part of that quest, where you have to open the door.

[summer eagle]

this is where the quest asks me to go

[civic palm]

Yeah.

You don't have an item in your inventory or a special action button to use the bomb?

and you cannot click this?

[summer eagle]

i try used action button

[civic palm]

That's the right place though.

[summer eagle]

but the boutton and break, I wonder if it's not because of an addon

[civic palm]

Is there an ERROR you see when you try pressing the button?

[exotic glen]

try turning off all addons then

[summer eagle]

I disable the addon error. but I will try to remove them all

[civic palm]

I am talking about the red text that shows up in game telling you something like, "You cannot use that here". Something like that.

[summer eagle]

if it does not work I'll make a request, thanks for the help

no nothing of his

[civic palm]

Ok. I hope this gets worked out and you complete the quest!

[summer eagle]

I also hope I will tell you if it works

[civic palm]

ty

[supple mesa]

Any of you use Kui name plates?

[civic palm]

Yes

[supple mesa]

Is there anyway to make the explosive bar glow or something?

Easier to click rather

or notice

[civic palm]

Explosive bar?

[supple mesa]

Yeah!

[civic palm]

What does that mean?

[supple mesa]

Like is there a way to make the explosive name plate look different than your targets name plate

So you dont have to tab target to hit the explosive

[civic palm]

Why are you using the word EXPLOSIVE?

[safe matrix]

like the m+ affix?

[supple mesa]

^

Its explosive week

Lol

[civic palm]

That's great.

No.

Is it extra small for you or?

[supple mesa]

No, I was watching Dr jay stream last night and I noticed he some how made the explosive nameplate glow orange so he could easily distinguish it from the surrounding enemies and easily click it.

I'm trying to figure out how he did that as I think it's very helpful xD

[civic palm]

Probably a WA script

There's stuff liek

Though I do not know what the first one does.

Might be some dungeon addon as well.

If he has a bot command for his addons that might get you your answers.

[leaden ore]

i kinda wish there was interaction between TB and envenom so that it isn't just used on cd

[supple mesa]

?

[exotic glen]

you mean the increased poison damage

and envenom happens to be poison damage?

[supple mesa]

That increases your envenom dmg

ol

[exotic glen]

an interaction like that?

[supple mesa]

LOL

[exotic glen]

lmao

[leaden ore]

nope

[exotic glen]

are you trying to deny that its like that or do you mean another type of interaction

[leaden ore]

like it being optimal for envenom to be up the whole duration of tb

even that

[supple mesa]

???????//

[exotic glen]

you mean how the envenom buff makes you apply deadly poison more, and tb makes poison do more damage?

an interaction like that?

[royal lantern]

wath kind of interaction would make it good too NOT use your main spender skill?

[leaden ore]

like i said

[plain thistle]

TB is used on CD, but you want to fit 2-3 envenom during the buff window , which most likely lead to a 100% envenom buff uptime

[leaden ore]

oh is that optimal?

[royal lantern]

im sad that they removed kingsbane 😦 was such a cool ability

[plain thistle]

yes

[leaden ore]

but if we cant fit 2-3 envenom in the buff window we still use it

rather than hold the cd so that we can fit 2-3 in

[royal lantern]

but lets keep poison bomb, everyone loved that shit passive!!!!1 /s

[plain thistle]

yes, but you will lose damage, because you fucked up before using TB

for example: not re applying rupture before TB and needing to reapply during TB

[leaden ore]

yeah sure

[exotic glen]

i dont see what your problem is

[supple mesa]

You are suppose to pool slightly

before you use tb lol

so you can fit 2-3 env in

[leaden ore]

erm i dont have a problem, was just wondering if it was mindlessly used on cd or if there is prep

that's all

no idea why you guys are being super obnoxious

not really funny

[supple mesa]

If ou are mindlessly using tb on cd with no preperation you are taking a L

[exotic glen]

you prepare yourself to press tb every 25 seconds

[leaden ore]

but thanks for the info

[royal lantern]

the TB env interaction is pretty much: reset your bleed timers before you use it, pool some energy too use as many env as possible

[exotic glen]

so while you press the button mindlessly when its time, you can prepare ahead

[royal lantern]

btw, its better too let the env buff run out before you use another env on st right?

[civic palm]

no

[exotic glen]

if you have the energy for it, you want to use envenom riiiight before elaborate planning runs out

"clipping" it

[royal lantern]

yeha, i mean EP, bad wording sorry

[deep epoch]

what legendaries are people planning on rocking for launch?

I've heard a lot of thoughts

[strange python]

some combination of shoulders, sephuz, KJ BW, crafted boots

prob shoulder sephuz

[exotic glen]

^ that

which spec is more debatable

[deep epoch]

well I asked in sin channel as that is the plan

I've heard a lot of hype on ravenholt's

[patent topaz]

assa is the last spec id go for leveling

[exotic glen]

you're most likely going to be aoe pulling

making insignia useless

[deep epoch]

right

My thought was cloak/sephs

with FoK talent and warmode talent

[exotic glen]

it got n e r f e d

[deep epoch]

not overwhelmingly though

[exotic glen]

yes, very overwhelmingly

[deep epoch]

which part of it?

[exotic glen]

does like 20-25% of what it did

[strange python]

cloak buff is additive now

[exotic glen]

it stacks additively, not multiplicatively now

[deep epoch]

balls

[strange python]

2 good legendary combinations from the legion legendary shop?

[grim jay]

?

[strange python]

The legendaries from the blacksmith shop, which ones are best for assassination?

[exotic glen]

depends on what you're doing

[strange python]

Mostly i do PvE

[exotic glen]

fuck me

mythic+, raids, bfa levelling

world questing?

[strange python]

World questing ^^

[exotic glen]

shoulders, sephuz most likely then

you can reset stealth from mob to mob and proc sephuz pretty easily

big dmg

[strange python]

so sephuz and mantle?

or what are "shoulders" xD

[exotic glen]

the only legendary that goes in the shoulder slot

@ SHADOWBLADES LUL

yes, mantle

[solid nova]

You pinged?

[exotic glen]

answering my call

richard the hero

[strange python]

oh yea

which one should i get first doe?

@exotic glen thanks for ur help btw

[exotic glen]

i thought you could get both at once

[strange python]

not yet

[exotic glen]

just pick whats your worst piece is then

if your rings suck, then sephuz

same for shoulders

[strange python]

okok ty

[sharp sedge]

anyone have ambitions of being top 500 rogue or so for bfa?

[quartz depot]

that doesnt sound very ambitious

[sharp sedge]

for eu and us? seems pretty good

what are your ambitions @quartz depot

[grim jay]

top 500 is pretty... casual

😄

[proper escarp]

Nice question you got there

[sharp sedge]

is it?

[grim jay]

if you mean parse-wise per boss, it kinda is

[sharp sedge]

ahh i didnt know

im aiming for top 100 anyway!

[quartz depot]

my ambitions are to clear all content

[grim jay]

we got many in here placing top10 or top 50

[quartz depot]

if i dont get bored of the game before that

[sharp sedge]

i parse 99 a lot but i dont know how many rogues im up against

but this expac gonna proper put effort in and try to be one of the best

[royal lantern]

i just want a mythic clear without swichtig guild 10000x cus the raidteam die's ._.

[sharp sedge]

and im on about parsing when u do tacs and play properly at the start

progress parses where u do the tacs right

after that then its just whoring meters

[grim jay]

well noone really talks about farmparses anyways

[sharp sedge]

but yeah i guess i cant as wont be in a good enough guild

[proper escarp]

No one really talks about any parses. Only thing that matters is guild world rank. Working like a team.

[grim jay]

no

😄

[sharp sedge]

hate the gcd thing a lot, reactions should be rewarded

[proper escarp]

Then you are selfish and probably in not so good guild 🙂

[grim jay]

im fullclear mythic for months

so

its fine

[sharp sedge]

well no, im not in a good guild cause i havent played in quite a while so i cant say im worthy of a place in a top guild with nothing to back it up recently

[royal lantern]

but almost nothing changed for sin rogue with the gcd change?

[sharp sedge]

interrupts!

[royal lantern]

vendetta and.....?

[sharp sedge]

annoying

[grim jay]

being a good player myself is what I value the most. everything else is mostly out of your control anyways

and you only get good guilds if you are good yourself

[sharp sedge]

true @grim jay guess thats what i mean, i wanna be a lot better this expac, no way to measure it really

[grim jay]

well if you wanna progress mythic with a really good guild you gotta be an a-hole beforehand

if you dont have a really good guild that is

using some as stepping stone

[sharp sedge]

its the only reason i'll bother with parses, ppl say they dont matter but they do get u in to good guilds

if in a good guild then the quality of what u do counts, doing your job properly and not whoring

[strange python]

^

[grim jay]

parses do matter as long as they arent cheesed. if you maintain high dps while still doing everything you need to, you are good.

for that spec anyways

[sharp sedge]

yeah well thats what i intend

[strange python]

I'm having major difficulties finding a half decent guild at the moment because I haven't raided since like Mists seriously

[royal lantern]

its easy too get orange as warrior if you get a group that lets you execute for years before you finish the boss, dont need too be a good player too do that

[strange python]

so no logs

Logs are super important for getting a decent guild to look at your app

[grim jay]

you can log your runs yourself and atleast have SOMETHING to back up your search

even if its only hc

[sharp sedge]

kinda similar lyria, i have played but casually and it's just getting that cv up to get into a good guild

yeah i shall @grim jay

stepping stone guilds i guess but feels kinda shitty to do also

you cant say, im using your guild as a stepping stone or they wont take you

[grim jay]

obviously. you should only have 1 or 2, because people could ask you why you were changing guilds all the time which doesnt look great aswell

[exotic glen]

If the guild you apply to is only looking at your parse number, that is probably not a guild you want to be in

[sharp sedge]

i change a lot as when casual i move about like crazy for a multitude of reasons

[exotic glen]

You can be a good player without big parses

And if they cant recognize that, you need a better guild

[grim jay]

most guilds look at something to see if you are worth getting in a testraid

[sharp sedge]

i've never really been in a guild with anyone on my level, sounds arrogant i know, dont mean it to sound so

[exotic glen]

But the parse number is unreliable at best

[sharp sedge]

how to get to a guild like that idk, guess i'll figure it

[exotic glen]

Basing recruitment on just that is dumb

[grim jay]

you can see if it is a cheesed parse. and yet progress parses are kinda good to look at if you wanna preselect some

[royal lantern]

ye, i mean,you can parse low cus of bad luck when the raidtier is new, like getting tons of sleep canisters on imonar as an example

[grim jay]

you can see that in the parse aswell

[exotic glen]

There are many factors that can affect a parse

[lone junco]

That's prob not your only run tho.

[grim jay]

^ and that

[royal lantern]

thats why i said early in the tier:P

[lone junco]

We are taking main swaps. So there are no logs.

Blind faith.

[exotic glen]

If you can account for all of them on evey boss and extrapolate some metadata then maybe you got something here

[devout temple]

hello genetmanel

gentlman

can i have M+ streamer of assassin, 120 only

[exotic glen]

But disregarding parses and just looking at their rotation, CD optimisation etc is better

[devout temple]

yes i know sub is better. but guess what, its a video game

and fun is keyword

[exotic glen]

No one is doing that eky

[grim jay]

if someone has a 20 ilvl parse, you dont need to look at their rotation tho

[devout temple]

what

[lone junco]

Fun is irrelevant in my recruitment. Are you good overall. Will you show up.

[exotic glen]

I dont think you follow davyn

[devout temple]

dude i even foudn a ehnancement M+ 120 stream

but no sin?

or has sub cucked once again

[lone junco]

Sin has a m+ streamed.

[exotic glen]

But its ok im on phone so cant type fast

[lone junco]

Incarnated.

[grim jay]

@lone junco for me the biggest point always was how good one is with getting criticized

[devout temple]

davyn?

[exotic glen]

Thats not 120 tho noobe

[devout temple]

ya

has to be 120 and method if u can

[grim jay]

Eky?

[exotic glen]

Has to be method

[lone junco]

Has to be you figure it out then.

[devout temple]

wow rude

anyways

fine any one will do

[lone junco]

Gl

[devout temple]

so anyone got one

[exotic glen]

No

[devout temple]

hmm

[exotic glen]

The only one i know is musclebrah but hes not the best

I guess its a startingpoint

[devout temple]

i guss

[sharp sedge]

i beat 230 ilevel sub rogues on my 207 lfr assass rogue

tho i assume theyre garbage

[exotic glen]

Ur a god

[sharp sedge]

argon is right

[grim jay]

its hard to find regular m+ streams anyways

😄

[exotic glen]

No you just good

[grim jay]

and then on 120.... 😄

[devout temple]

beat them in duels?

[slow stag]

how much better is sub compared to assa in raids?

[devout temple]

sims say its better

[royal lantern]

nobody can tell.....

[devout temple]

by a little

[sharp sedge]

assass is bettter

in raids

[slow stag]

it will prob be tuned before the raid but

thank for the answers 😃 i might stay assa then, since i like the bleed/poison gameplay

feelsgoodman

thanks*

[grim jay]

its not like it would be effort to switch anyways

[royal lantern]

its still pre-patch, until the first raid comes out everything can change numberwise

[sharp sedge]

yeah prepatch doesnt mean much

[grim jay]

depending on what your goal is, you should be comfortable with multiple specs aswell

[royal lantern]

i mean, there are tons of FotM sin rogues right now(that will reroll when they reach 120 and dont 1shot other players)

[winged storm]

Do you guys think sin will finally be a good pick for mythic +? With CT?

[royal lantern]

right now ct is good, nobody can tell how they tune the numbers

but...well...its non-rng based aoe, better then legion atleast i gues

[grim jay]

whats "good" and not will change aswell

due to not being able to change gear

[icy iris]

Does anyone here use the WA "Clickable poison reminder" it doesnt show the icon for me ingame.

[devout temple]

I DONT THINK

oop caps

Assassin was never a bad pick unless u pushing world first m

[royal lantern]

the dh debuff should boost poison dmg right? its nature dmg

[strange python]

I just hope we don't end up getting dumpstered as long as that doesn't happen I'm fine

[devout temple]

its gettin dumpstered in pvp

[royal lantern]

that...will probably never happen

unless they tune all 3 specs shit dmg wise AND remove the utility

[devout temple]

Assassin was pretty nuts in legion too pvp but no one cared asmuch

[grim jay]

rogue always had atleast one really good spec, as long as its not outlaw im fine

[royal lantern]

if a guild needs a melee, they will always take a rogue

[devout temple]

so what will hidden blades be used for

[grim jay]

hopefully nothing. 😄

such a pain to do those darkshore WQs

[devout temple]

lol

i heard it can be good with the pvp talent and some memes

[royal lantern]

hidden blades was op as hell on the first few pre-patch days when you used the cloak legendarys, now....not so much

[grim jay]

wrist forged to 240, why cant one of those daggers forge high enough 😦

[royal lantern]

but, like i said, stuff can change, it can be the best talent in bfa, it can be the worst, nobody can tell

[devout temple]

you know its a shame sin has been my fav pvp spec fo r a year, now the overbuff willr esult in a overnerf

and i'm gonna be doing worse than in legion

these rollrcoaster buff/nerf cycles

[royal lantern]

the nerf is out, its not dead, just in line with other classes

[devout temple]

its no on live tho

im hopng its not worse than it was pre patch

[grim jay]

I smh miss the mop sub for pvp :^)

[royal lantern]

it was ridicolous too chunck 50%max hp with 1 envenom

[devout temple]

i was still owning people in regular legion

i hope im as good as i was in legion and the over nerf didn't get carried away

[grim jay]

I dont understand the change to un-templated pvp tho

it was fine for me

[royal lantern]

~20%less dmg on all skills against players

the TL:DR version

[devout temple]

hmm

[royal lantern]

and subterfuge garrote 50% instead of 100% bonus

that was pretty much it if i remember it right

[devout temple]

seems a lot total

[honest compass]

Except sin is still ridiculous

I didn’t really think about it till I got ganked yesterday

And bled out for half my health

[devout temple]

its not live yet

only on beta

[honest compass]

Yes

A 20% nerf isn’t much of a change

If it’s still ridiculous

[grim jay]

thought we are talking about instanced pvp

open world is a joke anyways

tbh

[royal lantern]

world pvp was always shit

and not skill based lol

[grim jay]

ye

[honest compass]

World pvp is instances pvp

[grim jay]

no

[honest compass]

Instanced*

[grim jay]

instanced pvp is arena and bgs

[honest compass]

War mode is instanced lmao

[grim jay]

its still open world

[royal lantern]

or do you try too tell me that a legio bear drood needed skill too spam thrash until 8 people are dead?

[grim jay]

xD

[honest compass]

And pvp is pvp regardless

[grim jay]

no

just no

xD

[honest compass]

It’s the same scaling

If you’re fighting a player, it’s the same whether or not you’re in a bg

[royal lantern]

except that classes are overtuned with legendarys effects and that will be gone when you reach 120?

[grim jay]

and the stupid scaling around players on different lv and gear

😄 😄 😄

[honest compass]

Sounds like someone got fucked in war mode

And wants them to change scaling

[grim jay]

????

having no arguments left and going for the salty way

phew mate

[devout temple]

DONT THESE new changes effect both warmode and instanced now?

[grim jay]

go to bed

[honest compass]

PVP = player vs player

You don’t only fight players in battlegrounds

[grim jay]

dude

it has a differenct scaling etc

dont get on my nerves

[honest compass]

I think I will

[devout temple]

they changed it tho i think

[honest compass]

Because battleground scaling doesn’t exist anymore

[royal lantern]

stop fight each other cus of that stupid minigame mode

[honest compass]

Only damage

[supple hearth]

this is a silly argument. banter is fine. personal insults are not. Im watching 🍿

[devout temple]

so skills in warmode also do diff dmg

to only players

[royal lantern]

and gank low lvl players like real rogues

[honest compass]

@devout temple yes, war mode battlegrounds and duels all have the same scaling

[grim jay]

gear in bg and arena is still scaled down

and its not in warmode

[honest compass]

I’ve never had my gear scales down since pre patch

Literally the same as open world

[supple hearth]

only certain things are scaled in bgs/arenas such as trinkets. the rest of the gear should be normal

[honest compass]

Trinkets were always scaled though

[grim jay]

yet trinkets have the most impact per slot

[honest compass]

Not in pvp

[grim jay]

yes

in pvp

[devout temple]

in warmode my poisons will be doing 20% less dmg in hotfix?

[grim jay]

because they work in warmode like they do in pve

[devout temple]

against players

[honest compass]

They’re disabled in battlegrounds so they make no difference

Idk why you argued that

[grim jay]

yes and they arent in warmode

[supple hearth]

They are turned on in bgs @honest compass

[grim jay]

so warmode =/= instanced

pvp

[honest compass]

Equip effects are disabled

[supple hearth]

dungeon and raid trinkets have an 85% reduced effect but u can use trinkets now in arena and bgs

[honest compass]

The stats aren’t

[supple hearth]

they are enabled

[honest compass]

???

[supple hearth]

as of pre patch

[honest compass]

Mine always say disabled

[supple hearth]

go into an arena and use a trinket

they were turned back on with pre patch

[devout temple]

i hope assasin is still good in warmode after these nerfs they look like a lot

10% off vendetta too on top of it all

[honest compass]

They’ll be fine

They’re still strong

Just not overwhelming

[royal lantern]

you are still a rogue in world pvp, wich means you stalk somone until you can go in for the kill

[grim jay]

it doesnt even matter if they are on and nerfed or disabled in arena and bg, they are unrestricted in warmode, which makes it a difference

to get back to the starting topic

[honest compass]

But @supple hearth just said they aren’t disabled in bgs

[grim jay]

ye they arent

[honest compass]

So what’s the difference

[supple hearth]

75%

[grim jay]

they are nerfed

[supple hearth]

my bad

[grim jay]

and in warmode they are not

[supple hearth]

75% not 85

[honest compass]

What does it say under that

[honest compass]

Ok so it’s all pvp

[supple hearth]

hotfixes btw https://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/1097453-hotfixes-august-3-2018/

[grim jay]

yet they just threw the best balancing mechanic out of the window

by removing templates

[honest compass]

Pvp was never balanced in this game tbh

There’s always a couple op specs

And a couple that are just not worth playing

[shrewd night]

Imagine a world where perfect balance in a game was possible

[grim jay]

you could achieve every arena rank with every spec, which is a good step towards balance

[supple hearth]

btw for clarification you can use trinkets in RATED pvp too.

Set bonuses are ENABLED in random bgs but DISABLED in skirmishes and RATED pvp.
Legendaries are DISABLED for all pvp other than wpvp.

[royal lantern]

the game is too big for tha

[strange python]

We need a Thanos

[royal lantern]

too many different play styles and stuff

it was allready a miracle that PvE in legion was pretty balanced DPS wise

[grim jay]

pve always was less balanced than pvp tbh

[royal lantern]

you sure...? in high rated pvp you always see the same 3 classes/specs until they change it and new 3 take the place

[shrewd night]

That sounds familiar.

[royal lantern]

and they turned it into real shit with dh

[shrewd night]

Oh wait, just like it is with PVE

[royal lantern]

veng dh on battlegrounds

nuff said

or dh in general

[supple hearth]

RIP DH

Lot more bear tanks fc now

[grim jay]

thats not because certain specs are op, thats because of the interaction between the specs which is better than the interaction between other teams

[royal lantern]

´´lets make 1 point in CtF, then take the flag and double jump too places where nobody can reach me and wait until time runs out!´´

[supple hearth]

dont let them get the first point. ez

[honest compass]

Or just disable double jump

Lmao

[grim jay]

just disable dh

:^)

[shrewd night]

just disable pvp tbh

[honest compass]

Disable rogue

[royal lantern]

nah, the problem is, veng dh can jump trought the ground into the alliance flag room in warsong gulch wich is bug abusing since day 1

and blizz didnt fix it today

and thats just 1 example lol

and they do that shit all the time in rated bg

[grim jay]

rated bg is a pain anyways

with the pvp community being like how they are

[royal lantern]

and the glide momentum bugs too

[honest compass]

At least it’s better than new/low level players

[grim jay]

not sure how that is related

and new players are always great

[shrewd night]

If you are dumb enough to activate war mode as a new player, and expect to be treated differently because you are lower level... Lemme introduce you to my friend naivety.

[honest compass]

Behavior

Community

[royal lantern]

people dont understand that the 10%bonus is not really a bonus

cus you will get ganked

i mean....i killed a low lvl player 8x too, free honor for me, if he keeps respawning, not my fault

[grim jay]

ye there really is no reason to have it turned on if you are not even close to the newer content

[royal lantern]

even in the new content

[honest compass]

So everyone here?

Lmao

[royal lantern]

lvling in bfa will not be fun with warmode after 2-3 days

[supple hearth]

No reason not to have it on if you're leveling the first day tho

[honest compass]

It takes like 12 hours to get 120

[royal lantern]

cus then the other faction will be on your quest area

[honest compass]

After that you can turn it off

Lmao

[grim jay]

well you are prolly stronger with 110-115 than on lv 120

[supple hearth]

im going to be one of those rushing 120 then going to mess with alliance leveling hehehe

[royal lantern]

same for me

except horde

[honest compass]

I’ll be waiting for you giggle

[supple hearth]

kk

i hope ur NA

[shrewd night]

Imagine gigglebash going back to gank, only to get one shot by a rogue with shoulders still active

HUYEHUEHUEHUE

[royal lantern]

and not tauren, they are cool

[honest compass]

Alliance NA

[shrewd night]

Ew

Bye

[honest compass]

I’ll be waitingg for you.

[grim jay]

@shrewd night I do see that happening

[honest compass]

Ready to countergank

[supple hearth]

@shrewd night nah cause I'll likely have a healer with me

hehehe

[grim jay]

getting globaled

spits on your heal

[royal lantern]

i will do the ´´lone holy priest´´ bait with a friend:P

[grim jay]

😄

[supple hearth]

🤷 not likely to global me unless I've got 0 CDs and no trinket

[grim jay]

you just dont know yet

wait for it

[supple hearth]

or do i

🙃

[grim jay]

😄

I wonder how long it will take for the first one to hit 120

I bet its like 6h again

[supple hearth]

probably. People rushing world first have already done it like 20 times

in beta

[royal lantern]

lets get a group with 39 rogues and 1 caster as bait

[grim jay]

will do it as fast as I can as I really hate leveling and I need to bring another one to 120 at the weekend

[shrewd night]

Imagine Athene claiming world first again, by hiring 80 chinese people to kill his tagged mobs again

[grim jay]

imagine hiring 80 chinese people

[royal lantern]

why the fuck would you do that for a 100%ussules achv lol

[shrewd night]

ok giggle, dont ban me for that one

[grim jay]

@royal lantern there are masochists, you know

[shrewd night]

Gotta stay relevant somehow

[grim jay]

the zones look good this time tho

atleast that will be enjoyable

[supple hearth]

@shrewd night i won't ban u but the bot might lol

[royal lantern]

i will take my time.....no real reason too rush it anyway at the start, so why not enjoy it

[supple hearth]

Yeah I'm taking work off and I'll be playing all day but Im not rushing at all

mostly because rushing doesnt matter

Im not going to get a trophy for getting 120 quicker

lol

[royal lantern]

those 4-5 hours im faster with hardcore rushing will not change much for the 1 raid anyway imo

[shrewd night]

Mostly rushing to not lose out on the daily cache from WQ tbh

[grim jay]

well you spend 4-5 hours less with unenjoyable repetitive content

[shrewd night]

Outside of that it doesnt matter if you are 120 after 24 or 48 hours

[grim jay]

first day 120 isnt a problem at all anyways

even if you need to go to work

just sleep beforehand

and be awake for 24 hours

:^)

[supple hearth]

lol

f that

I took it off months in advance

I've gone to work with no sleep

not something I like to do unless I have to

[grim jay]

I did that for legion as I didnt have another day to spend due to some circumstances

took the whole week this time tho

😄

[supple hearth]

Legion was rough for me. planned to level with friends. The quest wasnt appearing for me at launch. everyone else got it and went on without me felt bad 😭

[shrewd night]

[supple hearth]

showed up for me like an hour later

they were already a level ahead

lol

wod was awful

mostly because u couldnt click on things

with everyone and their mother standing on it

[grim jay]

wod was the best start as I leveled alone

noone holding me back

lol

my friends are of those kind that enjoy leveling...

just level 2 chars at the same time if that happens again @uncut cloak

😄

[fossil inlet]

You get a free emissary chest if u hit 120 before 8 or 9 am 🤔

[grim jay]

log in on her char and hit follow

was what I meant

😄

[shrewd night]

Man, got to be honest. I kind of want to experience the full story line of the areas and the zones

But thatll be for my secondary

[honest compass]

@fossil inlet that’s noteven doable lmao

[grim jay]

I always spared the story for my second or third char tho

[fossil inlet]

If you don‘t get stuck within the pack on launch it might be

[sterile marten]

I need 2 toons at 120 in 24hrs

#off-topic

[grim jay]

would never level 2 chars at the same day tbh

[shrewd night]

^

First its the initial leveling, then its the attunements and basic rep farm on main. That alone is likely in the 16 hour bracket.

[supple hearth]

you dont need to. you want to.

If you needed to you'd just multibox it

[grim jay]

you are really going to farm rep ?

[shrewd night]

I mean, I need the neck upgrades, and I want the longneckboi

So yeah, Ill farm rep if need be

[grim jay]

I'll just hit 120 and farm gear and do everything I need to get that neck up

thats about it

[crude hatch]

you get itemlevel

from the amount of rep you get

[honest compass]

For getting reps up to honored I think

[crude hatch]

yeah

i think it goes honored - revered - exalted even

[honest compass]

You get +15 ilvl

[crude hatch]

yup

[honest compass]

And there’s 3 reps I believe

[grim jay]

feels like I need to hire 80 asians aswell

[crude hatch]

some reps start at friendly

if they havent changed that

[shrewd night]

Get neck upgrades. Get longneck boi. Get rep gear. Feed crafters with shit so they can make me LW gear. Farm heroics. Farm mythics.

wheeeeeeze

[crude hatch]

you got 4.5m gold ready?

[honest compass]

If I remember correctly the quests should get you just below honored

[shrewd night]

Got double that fam

[honest compass]

If not honored

[crude hatch]

jel

only 2m 😦

[honest compass]

I have 70k :)

[crude hatch]

nice

[honest compass]

Just spent all my gold investing

Lol

[grim jay]

got 12m, but what for ? lol

[shrewd night]

imagine a world where you dont have to HS to buy shit

[crude hatch]

you can buy longboi

he has an auction house on the mount

and it looks awesome

[honest compass]

Make sure you guys have at least 30 marks of honor

For recipes

[shrewd night]

its literally 3am

[grim jay]

show meh

😄

[shrewd night]

and Im in queue for soutshore

for the marks

no joke

[crude hatch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=YiMmaIlRjAw

[honest compass]

Long Cheeto nibba

[shrewd night]

KINDA surprised that word is removed by the bot

[grim jay]

dunno

[honest compass]

What word

[grim jay]

doesnt look that impressive

[honest compass]

Just waiting for portable ah

From eng

It’d be nice to have one

[primal lance]

Damn you ppl with 12 million gold. Swing a few hundred k my way. I’ll love you long time

[shrewd night]

Boost heroic argus yourself lul

[grim jay]

boost m+ for hours a day yourself lul

[primal lance]

I’m not geared enough for that. Just started playing in Feb so idk hardly anything about wow and what not

[shrewd night]

🤷

[honest compass]

Tbh my guild is on track to sell heroic ghuun within a few weeks of it coming out

[grim jay]

well just get some good people ready and boost in bfa

boosting m+ is really not THAT much of a deal

soon you will have 12m yourself

[primal lance]

I haven’t even done all the dungeons so idk most of them and how the boss fights work either so it’s not THAT easy for me

[grim jay]

rn its not worth much anyways

I mean in bfa tho

you will get to it

[shrewd night]

Well I mean, you got to put some effort in regardless of how you are intending to make gold

[grim jay]

ye

[crude hatch]

it's easy to farm gold these days tbh

[primal lance]

Everything will be better this time around for me. Switched realms and joined a nice raiding guild so I’ll learn a lot for sure

[crude hatch]

nice friend

US?

[primal lance]

Yeah it’s in stormrage

[wheat zealot]

Eek ally

[primal lance]

What?

[grim jay]

hands down, alliance is better

[crude hatch]

i'm EU so have no clue about the servers there :p

[primal lance]

Lol ahhh ok. I actually really like horde characters more but created alliance for some reason

[honest compass]

I’m on stormrage as well lmao

Just transferred

[crude hatch]

i always played alliance. but friends are horde so i joined them

[grim jay]

only reason to play horde would be nightborne

[shrewd night]

Zandalari troll*

[crude hatch]

nah nightborne 🤢

[grim jay]

trolls are ugly

[shrewd night]

ur moms ugly

[grim jay]

like what are those feet

ye damn right she is

but I dont play her

either

[primal lance]

Oh nice. I just searched wow progress and applied a few guilds and finally got in one. I like more horde races than that

[honest compass]

tbh I got recruited via logs

[primal lance]

Tbh I’m not good enough for that haha. What guild did you join

[crude hatch]

argus was my first CE, and first mythic raiding

i enjoyed it

[honest compass]

Provoke

All mythic raiders

[wheat zealot]

Only got 10/11 feelsbadman

[honest compass]

10 hours of raiding a week

[crude hatch]

sucks

how come @wheat zealot ?

[primal lance]

Yeah I figured so. My guild is also 10/11 and only does 9 hours a week but I never got into the tragic part since I was so far behind

[crude hatch]

not enough time?

[wheat zealot]

Yeah and just a few bad players holding us back, we had a terrible tank vari - coven and some of aggramar till we got a replacement for him

He was constantly wiping raid on vari, getting knocked off on agg just a fucking pleb

[spare cloud]

You haven't been raiding the whole content though

and came in later

right?

[wheat zealot]

Yeah we started late

[crude hatch]

we started in January, and still got it

i was happy

[spare cloud]

I mean 10/11 is fine for a newer raid

[crude hatch]

true

[spare cloud]

Can't expect to build a good roster right from the start

[honest compass]

Honestly any mythic kills is good

[spare cloud]

unless you are reforming a already decent guild

[honest compass]

Like 80% of the raiding population doesn’t get a single mythic kill current content

[wheat zealot]

Yeah im happy with where we got, got a decent team for bfa already

[royal lantern]

joined a new guild that got a new roster and we stoped at argus 20% .....but well, 10kills, im not complaining

[wheat zealot]

That tank i spoke of left the guild

[royal lantern]

and i got my full t21 mythic mog:P

[honest compass]

I wiped on normal Argus in a pug

[wheat zealot]

Same feelsgoodman

[honest compass]

At 0%

[royal lantern]

tmog is the true endgame

[honest compass]

[spare cloud]

I have never been part of a newly formed guild

I always joined ones that already existed for a few contents

[royal lantern]

not new guild, but for some reason i always join a guild-> 3months later the raidteam is dead cus some people are dickheads

´´i dont progress after imonar, no loot for me, so why do it´´ fk you hunter and dk cunt, that killed our first raid team-.-

[grim jay]

I once had a bug with a pug group that resulted us in wiping on eonar hc, smh she got her cast through so we got loot and killed her, but the system still registered it as a wipe, so we had no ID on eonar and could do her again for more loot

[spare cloud]

Sadly it's bound to happen with most rosters

[grim jay]

that was a good wipe

[crude hatch]

goodnight lads

[grim jay]

friend of mine was looking for a guild

and like

5-6 guilds just broke shortly after he joined

wonder if it was him

😄

[royal lantern]

we wiped 10x on eonar on the last ship phase cus somone was colorblind and didnt said it lul

[honest compass]

Tell him to look at wowprogress

And look for recent content clears

To see if they actively raid and such

Also check for recent gquits

[grim jay]

told him equal stuff, but he didnt want to switch server

so most good guilds were out of question

[spare cloud]

Why is it such a big deal to change server

faction I understand

server though

[royal lantern]

idk man, i would not like too switch server too

[sterile marten]

I left a dead server after 3 years best decision i ever made

[spare cloud]

If you are looking for a new guild

[grim jay]

^^ inb4 your new server dies soon aswell

[spare cloud]

then it literally doesn't change anything for you

[honest compass]

I came from aggramar

There were 5 guilds that cleared any mythic bosses

[royal lantern]

well, silvermoon doesnt die that fast(and yes, i know its not the best server for raids but we)

[honest compass]

Only 1 11/11

And they were inactive

[spare cloud]

Silvermoon on EU is pretty good

[royal lantern]

ofc eu

[spare cloud]

It's one of the best Alliance servers

[royal lantern]

na lul

[sterile marten]

Bro i came from tanaris

Its worse i promise you

2 mythic guilds

Lol

[spare cloud]

Like I said, I don't understand unwillingness to swap server

Unless you have money issues of course

[honest compass]

The 1 guild that had 11/11 wasn’t recruiting

And 2nd place was 5/11

[royal lantern]

well, if you reach 11/11 you are done for this tier unless you sell runs

so why recruit then

[spare cloud]

What

[honest compass]

For bfa

You dingus

[spare cloud]

when you clear the content is when most people who plan on quitting quit

[mighty summit]

I just xferred from a realm where the top guild (my previous guild rip) was 3/11

[sterile marten]

To have ppl for bfa

Many flake

And u want competition

[spare cloud]

especially when a new expansion is coming out

[sterile marten]

So ppl try hard

[round harbor]

ew xferring to dead realm

[honest compass]

I’ve realm transferred 4 times now lmao

[spare cloud]

I don't even know how often i realmtransfered

[grim jay]

I transferred 1 time

[royal lantern]

isnt the best phase too recruit people when bfa is out? i mean people then know wath and how too play the class and stuff at max lvl

[honest compass]

I started on shadowmoon

[grim jay]

😄

[honest compass]

Then to dalaran

[spare cloud]

No lol

[honest compass]

Then malganis

[spare cloud]

When bfa is out you're busy getting your chars ready

[honest compass]

Then aggramar

Then stormrage

[spare cloud]

No time to recruit

[mighty summit]

Just xferred from Steamwheedle Cartel to Kel'Thuzad

[royal lantern]

idk, im not a gm, just a dirty rogue that wants too stab stuff until it dies

[spare cloud]

Me neither

Most people already found their guilds when the expansions hit

so you're picking from the guys nobody wanted

pretty much

[honest compass]

My guild is still recruiting for bfa

If you wanna play on stormrage ally

Lol

[spare cloud]

and or the guys that didn't care enough to search before

which I don't know if you want to have in your guild

[grim jay]

ive been in charge of recruiting and one of the problems with recruiting at launch or shortly after is that you cant really test them

[honest compass]

Recruit via logs

[spare cloud]

I mean testing in farm is not really optimal as well

Nah logs don't matter too much

[honest compass]

If they’ve consistently over performed

Should follow suit

[spare cloud]

Optimally you want to test either right after content

[grim jay]

logs are fine for getting a closer selection, but they dont give you a 100% clear idea

[spare cloud]

or on raidtests

raidtests are very good

since you can see how they approach something that they haven't seen before

[mighty summit]

The important thing to look for in logs is whether or not they play their spec right - check uptimes and whatnot, check if they see if they take unnecessary damage consistently, etc. Once that's all checked off, they don't matter too much.

[honest compass]

Tbh I parse 60-80 depending on the boss

[spare cloud]

Nah

[honest compass]

I’ve parsed 95 a few times

[grim jay]

raidtests and general activity for m+ and such so you can see how they get along with being criticized

😄

[honest compass]

But like that was good enough for my guild

[spare cloud]

You can't judge an individual by logs

[mighty summit]

^

[honest compass]

Performance wise you can

Character wise no

[mighty summit]

Only to a certain extent

[spare cloud]

What if you have someone who just rerolled to the class

and has no gear

Ofc he won't parse orange

[royal lantern]

raidtest are the best thing too do

[honest compass]

No one has gear for bfa lmao

[spare cloud]

????

[royal lantern]

and how they react too critisim

[spare cloud]

logs are from now

not from bfa

[honest compass]

That’s what I’m saying though

If people over perform in past raids

It’s bound to follow suit

[mighty summit]

Raidtests are definitely the best way to go about it

[wet yew]

Other question is tho, rng is a thing as well, what if he is extremely unlucky with his gear ?

[spare cloud]

Logs are a good addition

[mighty summit]

^ in Legion especially, Marvho lol

[spare cloud]

nothing more

[honest compass]

Parse for ilvl

[remote wing]

well u dont just look at dmg parse

[honest compass]

Which isn’t a thing anymore

But yea

[spare cloud]

ITEMLEVEL PARSES

[remote wing]

look at dmg taken and other stuff

[spare cloud]

have fun outperforming guys with 978 itemlevel

who just unequipped a shitty slot

with low gear

[remote wing]

cuz i can stand in fire and parse high as hell or ignore adds and parse high

[honest compass]

978 in bfa

[spare cloud]

[wet yew]

Also best thing was, hunter with arcano AND amanthuls lol

[mighty summit]

I had every rogue leggo for antorus, but the very last one I got was shoulders, for example. I ended up getting cnidaria first, kjbw second, and nothing but utility leggos until ToS, when I finally got an actual non garbage dps leggo.

[spare cloud]

Yeah

What if you reroll for your guild midcontent

[mighty summit]

Legit ALL the utility leggos before a single dps leggo except cnidaria and kjbw

[honest compass]

I mean you could’ve bought your legos

all of atb had random legos

[spare cloud]

[mighty summit]

I'm not complaining

[honest compass]

The essence

[mighty summit]

I bought them too

[spare cloud]

Yeah

just gives you faster completion

[mighty summit]

I'm just saying, there was definitely rng in legion

[spare cloud]

Talk about an earlier time

[mighty summit]

Just from that alone even

[honest compass]

I have more legion play time on my shadow priest

[spare cloud]

Reroll in tomb

[honest compass]

And still no lego

From drops

My rogue got 5 drops

Rng at its finest

[spare cloud]

Imagine if you were looking for a guild in antorus

[royal lantern]

got shoulders as last legendary ._.

[spare cloud]

and you rerolled to rogue for your guild

in tomb

[honest compass]

Don’t reroll to a class because it’s good

[wet yew]

Best thing was on EN, the guy with the better legendary gets to play not the actual better player

[honest compass]

Ja

Js*

[spare cloud]

[honest compass]

If you suck at the class

Then it doesn’t matter either way

[spare cloud]

Holy shit

I'm gonna stop argueing with you

no point

Yeah @wet yew

You had classes that had insane dps differences depending on the legendaries they got

to the point where you picked gear > slightly better player

[wet yew]

<- was a ret Pala before, ring and belt was a must, flat ~25% more damage

Just because of the legendarys

So pathetic

[spare cloud]

I played warrior in EN

[royal lantern]

i got the old shit prydaz and will as my first legendary, my dps was shit and almost got benched allright?

[spare cloud]

Ring and Gloves for arms

were like 80k dps overall increase

to everything else

[wet yew]

Yeah

So stupid in my opinion

[spare cloud]

Have fun getting top logs in Nightmare

with shit leggos

[wet yew]

You just don't, and that was kinda sad because rng said no

[spare cloud]

I mean you could get decent parses

[wet yew]

Sure

[spare cloud]

but

[wet yew]

But top logs? Not gonna happen

[spare cloud]

You fell behind someone with equal skill

just due to rng

and that wasn't too much fun

[wet yew]

^

Sorry

[vagrant tapir]

Legos were fucking garbage

Worst system ever put into the game

Most toxic thing I've ever seen for serious players