assassination

[cosmic wren]

Ok I just misunderstood

Nightblade and subterfuge both "snapshot" the buff for the full duration

Everything else is retroactive

[shrewd night]

Idd

[spare cloud]

[magic zenith]

why in the world would simcraft use 2120031 for sin in the stack sims (I know I know dumb stacked sims)

[cosmic wren]

3 in the 90 row?

Pretty surprised thats the best

[magic zenith]

Ravenholt says it's not =p

[patent leaf]

so did anyone compare all the classes properly on lvl 120? i kinda find hard to believe the simcraft ones

[fiery nest]

Lol

[dire spoke]

untuned non-trait simulations are whatever

they are there for the lols

[magic zenith]

Also counting for the fact that the talents seem to not line up with the class theory crafters and the gear is all over the place wacky.

It's fun, but not at all helpful for the community.

and reddit will for sure reeeeee

[dire spoke]

ppl like to reee for no reeeason

[glossy marten]

hey boys, do u know what is the best spec for bfa ?

[dire spoke]

no

[fresh ginkgo]

first time rogue'ing

and i find assassin pretty fun to play

[dire spoke]

welcome to Ravenholdt

[vernal atlas]

Well there are new sims, but bare in mind that these are not representing the final Performance for when the raid opens

If you go by pure numbers, it might be sub atm. But the other specs are too close, to say "you must play sub"

[hoary copper]

The sim ones (if its one Im thinking of) not all the profiles were complete

[rich fulcrum]

How do I add the assasination color to my name

[vernal atlas]

Yah and its still a sim, not the actual fight. Maybe you need to soak mechanics or got downtimes or a weird strategy becomes meta. All these things might change it up

[strange python]

you go to #bot-spam and type ?assassination.

[hoary copper]

Well it being complete would give you a truer picture

[strange python]

outlaw! you traitor.

[hoary copper]

Poor Fury

[vernal atlas]

Dagger fury xD

[dire spoke]

I could still click fury

[strange python]

the hell are these sin talents

[vernal atlas]

I'm surprised to see the glorified Arms only in the middle of the pack

[hoary copper]

Im surprised to see enhance so far ahead

[strange python]

thought if anything fury was the glorified one

[vernal atlas]

I think both are quite overhyped

[coarse slate]

is there a sim chart somewhere comparing the specs/classes?

[wheat zealot]

Not one that means anything

[dire spoke]

I'm sure there are but they're useless

[coarse slate]

still neat to look at i guess

[dire spoke]

you can visit simulationcraft.org

[flat ore]

Hey, how do you feel sin is gonna be for pvp after the nerf?

[lone junco]

It was stupid good. So probably just normal good.

[hoary copper]

The sims wont be accurate till after tuning, for now its all speculation

[flat ore]

been playing sin for 2 years now

i also have a lot of fun playing outlaw so...

[dire spoke]

my condolences

[honest compass]

still gonna say haste mastery with MP will be best.

Stickin to that

[dire spoke]

Exsang will be good

[honest compass]

exsang would be good in arena i'd think

haven't tried it though

chatting with blizz support rn, 12 mins later still no response from them

on live chat

[lone junco]

Y tho.

Ask them to revert guild loot while you got them.

[civic palm]

👋

[dire spoke]

lol

welcome to hell miz

[honest compass]

nice pic

makes me moist

[lone junco]

I thought it was a very long neck tbh.

[civic palm]

🕺

[honest compass]

LOL

[elder crescent]

Just neckin around!

[honest compass]

@lone junco

the gm said that guild loot is not coming back in the near future

[wheat zealot]

Unless we get something that makes vendetta line up with exsang (vendetta CDR), exsang will remain terrible

[civic palm]

Doesn't really matter when some GM says.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[primal lance]

Can anyone name a YouTuber that has WA where the rupture and garrote highlight and flash they need to be reapplied? I copied one but they are the opposite

[honest compass]

you're right, i'll put guild loot back in the game rn

hang on

[civic palm]

You can't do it either.

[honest compass]

:(

[civic palm]

You have as much power as a GM.

Congrats.

[honest compass]

the gm has some power

at least more than a player does

[civic palm]

@primal lance My WA changes duration number color when they need to be reapplied.

[sonic orbit]

GM stands Game MASTER. They master everything in the game. They are the most powerful

[honest compass]

it also stands for General Motors

[civic palm]

Nope, the most power a GM has at this point is to route your call to someone else.

[honest compass]

and Guild Master

[primal lance]

Well how can I copy yours lol

[civic palm]

They're in the pins on this channel.

[honest compass]

[civic palm]

You can just move the Rupture and Garrote components to where you want and delete the rest.

[primal lance]

Idk how to get to the pins lol very new to this stuff

[sonic orbit]

top right, click thumbtack

[honest compass]

the button that looks like a pushpin

[primal lance]

Don’t see it on mobile

[honest compass]

oh

[strange python]

📌

[honest compass]

tap the channel name on to[

top*

[primal lance]

Ah ok thank you

[honest compass]

tap pinned messaegs

[hoary copper]

I need one for mobile

[sonic orbit]

thanks, no one has said that yet

[civic palm]

Just make it skinnier.

[hoary copper]

Can I do that to myself too?

[honest compass]

yeah

[civic palm]

Yeah just open the toolbar IRL and magic tool your body.

[honest compass]

just cut yourself open

and rip everything out

[hoary copper]

Liquidate works wonders in photoshop, need real life one

[honest compass]

just take the crop tool from ms paint

the slider on the corners lol

[civic palm]

🍔 menu

[hoary copper]

Dont use your fancy words on me!

Using same word format is it looks like a thumbtack

As long as it gets them there

[honest compass]

for those using iphones

:P

[civic palm]

tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap

[hoary copper]

That's more steps

[civic palm]

Fewer steps...

wait till on desktop.

ezpz, done.

[hoary copper]

Theres that too

[honest compass]

Actually it’s the same steps

Asthe oneyou made

Two taps

[strange python]

TWO TAPS ON YO MAMA

[honest compass]

Actually it was6

Technically it was 8

But only 6 successful ones

[sly flume]

Could someone explain me why sin goes for haste now ?

[wise frigate]

Bleeds are affected by haste.

[sly flume]

so its bleeds again ?

hmm

[strange python]

exactly

[sly flume]

Thanks

[honest compass]

Mastery also affects bleeds now :)

[strange python]

great

[royal lantern]

ye, but mastery scaling is way lower now, so it lost value

[strange python]

ok

[copper sinew]

[main blaze]

243% movement speed after killing an enemy

[vestal dune]

Has assa changed anything in M+s from the beginning of legion?

I loved the spec, but got burned of so much discrimination to join non guild groups

[strange python]

yes we got crimson tempest

sin has always been decent in m+

only time I got shit for being sin was in tomb of sargeras when everyone and their mother played sub

[haughty vector]

question:

what are the oandemic refresh times for rupture and garrote again ?

pandemic*

[strange python]

5.4s for garrote

rupture depends on cp

just max duration * .3

??

Exsang was better than sub in ToS

wow

[vestal dune]

Oh, crimson seems sweet for high m+s, I guess it procs the energy passive with poisons right?

[strange python]

so 5cp rupture is 7.2s

4cp 6s

no it doesn't Traint but it's a lot of dmg especially with sephuz

[vestal dune]

I am talking looking to bfa

[haughty vector]

@strange python thanks so musch 💋

much

[strange python]

i meant it doesn't work with venomous wounds

[vestal dune]

That sucks :/

[strange python]

we are gcd capped in most aoe situations anyway

[vestal dune]

But I ghuess having more real aoe apart from the posion bomb should help a lot on higher m+s when shit lives more than 5 seconds

Thanks!

[strange python]

hello peoples

hello

hi

yikes

i am

lol

[civic palm]

#off-topic

[true obsidian]

should I buy the wrist leggy or ring?

when i have shoulders

[honest compass]

For leveling the ring is probably better

I might use the pantaloons

For the extra healing

Maybe do a quick gear swap to heal up

[odd tapir]

can anyone link wa for garrote +subterurge (scripted) seems old ones doesn't work

[honest compass]

[civic palm]

There's new WA's for them, it's been a bit weird for a while.

[odd tapir]

could u point me? couldn't find anything in pins

[honest compass]

Pc or mobile

[odd tapir]

mobile

[honest compass]

Android?

[odd tapir]

sup the point?

[honest compass]

It’s different for every device

Don’t wanna confuse you

iPhone

[strange python]

lul assa in pvp

[honest compass]

Android (Credits: @hoary copper )

[strange python]

bye

[quick ice]

And once you have pins, weak auras are the first post

[honest compass]

It’s titled weakauras

Lmao

[hoary copper]

Suing for stealing!

[honest compass]

Not stealing

[hoary copper]

Nice edit lol

[honest compass]

Sh

[dense warren]

why i cant equip 2 legendary

[honest compass]

Research

Go to your class hall

Itll be a book icon on your map

Takes a bunch of order resource

I think it’s like 5 days total for everything

[dense warren]

Ok

ty

[lone junco]

still top damage in BG.

4p20 doing work still

[thick jacinth]

checked pins but none of those wa groups have a EP tracker that looks good enough 😦

[lone junco]

then make your own

its literally just a buff tracker

[exotic glen]

mizeroks group's EP tracker

is pretty standard

and looks fine

[civic palm]

Completely basic.

[honest compass]

Search the ability on wowhead

Copy weakaura script

Paste

Done

Lmao

[exotic glen]

lmao

[lone junco]

or. just copy one you have and change the spell id.

or. use your 200iq to just count to 4

[honest compass]

That’s what I do

No need for WA if you have 200 IQ

[lone junco]

the 6 months i ran exang, i had no tracker for the NS. or exang. I just, you know. Pressed and then didnt fuck it up.

[north terrace]

So good

[dark crag]

How dare you use no blinking, shaking and glowing wa

[honest compass]

The only wa needed

[fleet carbon]

Lol

[keen stratus]

Would you guys Reccomend Blindside or master Poisoner for a newbie?

[honest compass]

MP

[keen stratus]

Okay thank you 😃

[exotic glen]

elaborate planning

[north terrace]

whichever sims the highest >>

[keen stratus]

Well I doubt I would get a nice sim seeing as I'm level 20 😃

[grim sable]

eh, if you don't know your rotation, your sim is irrelevant

[honest compass]

Well

At that point idk

Mp might be better

But blindside might prove to be better because it’s just another ability to us

Use*

[exotic glen]

can you not

[keen stratus]

Well I might stick with MP since i don't have Mutilate to trigger the proc.

[strange python]

lmao

[exotic glen]

you can check your spellbook to see when you get mutilate

its like lvl 42 or something

[keen stratus]

40

[strange python]

nice one blizzard

[exotic glen]

yeah just play either elaborate planning or master poisoner

doesnt really matter

[royal lantern]

spriest in legion had a talent at lvl 15 that didnt do anything until you reach 60 or something like that lol

[keen stratus]

Thanks guys anyway 😃

[exotic glen]

i assume you'd pick something else then

[zealous lily]

for EP i just made a bar on the right side of my vision vertical

same as i did for SoT

i used to have a sound play at .1 seconds left for SoT but i stopped needing it after a while

[exotic glen]

that is what the sims say yes

[strange python]

for the herodamage profiles, yeah.

[exotic glen]

with t20 2pc

[strange python]

but there are many close leggos and it depends on your gear, I use bracer + sephuz for example.

[exotic glen]

same as connor here

try simming yourself for an accurate answer

[honest compass]

I use mantle and bracers

[exotic glen]

the simulation does not take into account a single sephuz proc

so what you are seeing is the dmg with no procs

that said, you can proc it on coven for example

[honest compass]

Ex: a raid boss with no interruptables

[exotic glen]

high command

yeah haste is good

[strange python]

good stats, 2% haste

[honest compass]

Agi > haste > mastery or crit

[exotic glen]

very usually crit > mastery

[honest compass]

I pref mastery but people do crit too

I also don’t run ep

I use mp

[royal lantern]

thank god, they nerfed assassination ONLY for pvp, and not killed the spec

[honest compass]

I mean it’s still good in pvp

Just not broken

[royal lantern]

ye, but its blizzard, normaly they just kill stuff instead of actually fixing it

[honest compass]

Are you saying 100% crit for 5 seconds is op in pvp

Especially for a class that reliably uses dots

[royal lantern]

we lose that shit when bfa is out wtf, its fking pre-patch, ofc some classes are broken as hell, i dont understand why some people complain anyway

[elder crescent]

@royal lantern ah they nerfed Assa this week?

[exotic glen]

in pvp yes

[royal lantern]

pvp balance was always shit, ofc its REALLY shit in the pre-patch time

[honest compass]

25% crit from mantle

[royal lantern]

TL:DR pretty much all skills 20%less dmg against players

[honest compass]

I haven’t had much of a problem though

[elder crescent]

What did they nerf in pvp? I'm at work of I'd check.

[honest compass]

I still Shit on unexpecting noobs In darkshore

[elder crescent]

Ah

K

Damn... 20%?

[royal lantern]

@elder crescent http://www.wowhead.com/bluetracker?topic=17621462370

[elder crescent]

That seems harsb

[honest compass]

It might need to be more lma

O

[strange python]

it was broken

now is still great

but brought back down to earth

[exotic glen]

I mean i was killing people in 3-4 gcds in warmode

Against equally geared people

[honest compass]

Before or after nerf?

[exotic glen]

Before ofc

[honest compass]

Lmao

Just checking

[exotic glen]

Im trying to justify the nerf a bot

Bit

[honest compass]

Tbh rogues always get the brunt of the flame

For being too op

[exotic glen]

Hopefully with feint on cd

People can stop

[zealous lily]

for most undergeared people it took me with 252ish gear at least until my kidney shot expired

[royal lantern]

well, it feels shity too die against someone without beeing able too do anything against it

but thats just how rogue works

[honest compass]

Feint on cd is so dumb lmao

[zealous lily]

so cheap shot garrote toxic blade rupture mfd kidney mut mut envenom maybe another envenom

[honest compass]

Idk why they changed that

[zealous lily]

before they died so right after it wore off

imho someone in shitty gear should die that quickly

[royal lantern]

feint on cd didnt changed shit, if you spammed feint you did something wrong anyway lol

[zealous lily]

i hated the stupid template / ilvl inflation stuff in pvp it just makes the whole game not gel together with all these obscured systems turning on and off in pvp vs pve

[honest compass]

Like I said

Idk why they even touched it

[royal lantern]

phantom nerf

people that have 0 clue about the class complained

blizz did a nerf that changed nothing

[honest compass]

I’m sad that vial doesn’t give damage reduction anymore

[royal lantern]

people are happy

[honest compass]

Because no artifacts

[worldly trench]

Hi I'm looking to ruin some people's fun in pvp which talents are the most unfun to fight vs?

[exotic glen]

try in the #pvp channel, friend

[royal lantern]

creeping venom

[worldly trench]

oh mb! ty

[honest compass]

Systemic shock and creeping venom

And the fok one

Or you can change the fok one for the sprint in wpvp

Oh dang

Officer tisumi

[lone junco]

I was still top dmg in the BG I ran. Still fine by me.

[strange python]

Oh shit

Is that the real Noobe?

[exotic glen]

the one and only

[strange python]

My god

[lone junco]

Ayy

[sullen sphinx]

whats a good energy bar addon or weak aura

[odd tapir]

any lua guru here?

-- if IsStealthed() or UnitBuff("player", GetSpellInfo(108208))

since Unitbuff is deprecated, can anyone help me figure out this?

[exotic glen]

try checking out the official weakauras discord, they have channels talking about different addons and lua

if no one here can help of course

[odd tapir]

tnx bud

[exotic glen]

np

[honest compass]

Or just run it

And check for errors

Like python or c#

Lmao

[civic palm]

@odd tapir WA_GetUnitBuff replaced UnitBuff

[civic palm]

Whut

[arctic venture]

!trinket

!trinkets

[chrome tusk]

List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

[lone junco]

@civic palm was just flipping through my meme library.

[civic palm]

Oh I've got one...

[spare cloud]

nsfw

[odd tapir]

@civic palm tnx a lot bud, already some peeps on WA discord helped me about it 😃 appreciate your answer !

[civic palm]

👌

[humble crane]

fawk tisumi is a mod now

realestate prices are crashing round here!

[civic palm]

Property costs are up, interestingly enough; also... #off-topic

[elder crescent]

So assa nerfs but Disc priests still tanking better than bears in pvp!

Love it.

[ripe nimbus]

http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/PR_Raid.html

oh boi i can play any rogue spec i want feels good

[civic palm]

o _o

[strange python]

idk what possessed them to pick exsanguinate.

[civic palm]

SIMs better?

Why else would they "pick" that?

[strange python]

extremely doubtful

[civic palm]

I...

okay.

[ripe nimbus]

these things are never accurate anyway, was just linking for the luls

[civic palm]

I mean they are as accurate as the APL's allow, but whether or not they are applicable in any way is always to be questioned.

[silent crescent]

watching nmp say assassination got nerfed, anyone know what happened? something happen in beta?

[strange python]

nothing here ever pointed into the direction of exsang

[civic palm]

I pointed in the direction of EX on Beta, was already good on single target.

SIN got needed PVP nerfs.

[silent crescent]

what happened?

[elder crescent]

Why exang does not line up with vendetta better? RAGE

[civic palm]

We were broken and had major numbers changes.

[strange python]

I thought exsang was deemed absolutely god awful on beta.

[civic palm]

That's not the results I saw.

[silent crescent]

also was the nerf for prepatch or beta?

[civic palm]

With the drop in Mastery ENV does less DMG.

PVP Nerfs are current.

[strange python]

mastery doesn't affect env

[civic palm]

Will carry into BfA.

[ripe nimbus]

i mean if u take a quick look at the gear on some of these... ret and arms are using 1handed weapons..

enhance is using 2 hander

[elder crescent]

Env is nature damage I thought.

[strange python]

mastery is poisons and bleeds

[silent crescent]

yeah but they made it so stuff that affects poisons not just nature dmg

[strange python]

envenom is neither a poison or a bleed

[civic palm]

huh

[strange python]

news to me

never thought mastery affected envenom

how is envenom a poison

it's not

[silent crescent]

see its confusing, because master poisoner doesnt affect envenom

idk what to think

[civic palm]

Master Poisoner specifically states WEAPON POISONS.

[strange python]

🤷

[elder crescent]

Even poisons do not say POISON damage, it says nature damage.

[strange python]

I guess I welcome our exsang overlords

[silent crescent]

@civic palm was that a recent wording change?

[civic palm]

No

Well, for BfA no.

[strange python]

mizerok on damage control

[elder crescent]

And you envenom with poisoned weapons

[civic palm]

Usually the person that is right isn't on damage control.

[strange python]

simcraft has an APM summary, sin is right at the bottom at 36, feelsbadman (fury wars at the top with 63)

[elder crescent]

I'm fairly certain the mastery was like this in legion as well after people did some testing.

[civic palm]

Of course we're slower.

We're literally a maintenance spec.

[silent crescent]

lol why are you sad about low APM, gives you more time to do raid mechanics

[strange python]

well sin was always at the bottom

[civic palm]

If you want more speed go play OTL or something.

[dire spoke]

whoops

uh

[civic palm]

_>

[dire spoke]

weak worked on exsa apl today, get your bleedy WAs ready

[civic palm]

There we go.

Mine are already ready, go DL them you...

people that can't read tooltips.

[strange python]

nothing about mastery tooltip implies it works on envenom

[civic palm]

There's also nothing that states that it does not, unlike Master Poisoner.

[silent crescent]

but like... it literally isnt a poison. it is nature dmg. why not just say it increases our nature dmg

[civic palm]

Blizz has always done this fucking poison == nature damage unless we whitelist it otherwise crap.

[strange python]

I like how toxic blade used to say poisons but it was changed to nature damage

[civic palm]

At least they are specific on Master Poisoner.

[dire spoke]

2220031 did 10k

with 341ilvl

[silent crescent]

yeah MP has good wording

[dire spoke]

😄

[silent crescent]

MP used to have different wording tho

[civic palm]

Yeah.

inc. poison damage

something like that.

[elder crescent]

Well, at least in mythic throne Assassionation is showing high.

[silent crescent]

like im really glad the made the wording on venomous wounds too, bc it was inconsistent before as well

[elder crescent]

Checking out Warcraft logs for the last 24 hours

[civic palm]

seems good

that's a better post, haha

[strange python]

madness i tell you

[civic palm]

👌

[dire spoke]

sfexs current state https://snag.gy/ML7lh4.jpg

[civic palm]

👌

I wonder what traits they are using with that opener though > _>"

[dire spoke]

none

[loud niche]

hello everyone

[strange python]

hi

[civic palm]

Makes more sense.

👋

[loud niche]

i just came back from a 3 month break

[strange python]

we dont bite except mizerok

[civic palm]

Considering there are two traits to smooth the opener.

Only when you ask for it.

[loud niche]

is there a definitive best talent set up? i mean, with perfect stats?

[civic palm]

Check the Pins, things will change in the coming weeks.

[frail beacon]

i have play Assassination for a long time but always in pve but thinking about getting into pvp should i stay Ass or go Sub?

[fiery nest]

sin

[strange python]

I can't tell you what to play!

[loud niche]

surely this is incorrect? this says to use sephuz and insignia?

[strange python]

trust the sims

perhaps I am one to talk

we have lots of close legendaries

[dire spoke]

why would it be in pins if it's incorrect

read patch notes first maybe

😄

[civic palm]

atm legendaries are very much there for their stats, and if you have a poor off-tier piece that shares a slot with a legendary, odds are you will end up using it.

[strange python]

first you must accept our lord and savior that is Haste.

[loud niche]

HASTE?

[hazy iron]

Haste is bae

[loud niche]

that thing i have 2% of?

[hazy iron]

Yes

[civic palm]

~ H A S T E ~

[loud niche]

oh god

we're sub now boiz?

[civic palm]

Time to get 30% of it.

[hazy iron]

No

Mut is incredibly strong right niw

Go check wowlogs for our representation lol

[civic palm]

Do note that there are still logs with stat bug abuse in them.

[hazy iron]

Oh rip

[civic palm]

Just, disregard them, of course.

[loud niche]

stat bug abuse?

ok

[strange python]

doesnt that affect every spec

[civic palm]

There are not many, just a few.

It did, but they're obvious.

[dire spoke]

there was no bug

[civic palm]

uhhuh

[strange python]

😄

[hazy iron]

Blizzard should invest in a bug zapper

[civic palm]

Zempai is our resident CHEATER

[hazy iron]

Might be more effivient than their programmers

[dire spoke]

It's my insane clicking

[civic palm]

Clearly.

[loud niche]

so if a log says 12k dps

probably not real?

[hazy iron]

[dire spoke]

ppl sim with 6-6.5k

[civic palm]

If the rest of the logs are near it, it's fine.

[strange python]

after accepting the Lord Haste

you must accept the second in command Seeping Scourgewing

seeping, even. no sweeping.

[loud niche]

already good there! i have a Mythic TF of it

[civic palm]

👏

Also... fuck you.

[strange python]

now you sim >6k already

[dire spoke]

nice you will be insane dps while prepatch really cool

[hazy iron]

lol

[loud niche]

it was useless for so long! lol

[dire spoke]

and now it's usefull but it doesn't matter anymore

[primal lance]

Why is haste an assassin best stat now again?

[strange python]

why, our dots scale with haste, of course, of course.

[primal lance]

So they tick faster?

[strange python]

ya

[civic palm]

They tick MORE.

and faster.

and better.

[primal lance]

Same thing in my head lol. So I should have more haste than Crit and mastery?

[loud niche]

someone at blizz got high af

[strange python]

stronger!

sim your stat weights!

[loud niche]

and then was like

"bro this is gonna be funny

[primal lance]

I don’t have a clue how to sim. Never done it

[loud niche]

lets swap the main stat of rogues with the worst

and see what happens"

[strange python]

download the addon simc

type /simc!

then paste that into raidbots.com!

[dire spoke]

haste has been good for dot classes since ever but not for rogue which made no sense

it's nothing new

[primal lance]

Ok I’ll have to look into that another day

[loud niche]

new for rogues

well, sin rogues

[dire spoke]

...

[loud niche]

who stacked mastery for forever and a day

[dire spoke]

that's not what I meant

[hollow lance]

anyone have a pawn string?

[dire spoke]

@hollow lance you can get your own on raidbots.com with a stat weight simulation

[elder crescent]

I'd SIM over a basic pawn string. Raidbots best craft but even askmrrobot sim is better than going off just pawn

[hollow lance]

thanks!

[elder crescent]

Argh, I'm rolling a new rogue for alliance since I have 2 horde... hard choosing my race, anyone got something to sell me on one? If not GNOME!

[hollow lance]

I like worgen

[dire spoke]

troll

[hollow lance]

Racial move speed buff

[elder crescent]

@dire spoke have one already

[dire spoke]

female troll

[elder crescent]

Have a troll and orc, rolling alliance rogue now.

[dire spoke]

no

female troll or riot

[elder crescent]

All my chars are female

[dire spoke]

male troll

[fleet carbon]

I'm rolling a male kul Tiran rogue

The most leathery dad

[dire spoke]

I will burn down your homes

[lyric gorge]

what leggos do I want for assass for leveling?

[dire spoke]

mantle-somethingsomething

[strange python]

shoulders sephuz KJBW crafted boots

rest are meh

[elder crescent]

Not the ravenholt ring for 15% damage?

Huh

[dire spoke]

it's a proc

[strange python]

doubt it is very impactful while leveling

[elder crescent]

@strange python crafted boots?

[strange python]

celumbra the night's dichotomy or something

nope those are the shoulders

the sentinel's eternal refuge

[elder crescent]

Oh the crafted leggo

Was thinking normal crafting

[wise frigate]

What's the difference

[ashen fulcrum]

are we still running agi crit haste vers mastery>?

mastery vers*

[wise frigate]

Depends on your current stats. Sim yourself to get accurate weights.

[lucid bolt]

hey guys what are the best pvp talents to pick as ass rogue?

[dire spoke]

Check out pinned messages in #pvp

[elder crescent]

@dire spoke http://www.wowhead.com/item=137049/insignia-of-ravenholdt isnt a proc. its what letting me cheap shot, mut once and envenom none elite mobs and kill them before stun is off. its 15% damage to combo generators to everything in front of you. Is it changing when BFA launches?

I just got home from work, hence the later reply on it

[dire spoke]

I may have had an old/other tooltip in mind, sorry

[elder crescent]

NP, I was thinking it was going to be one of the better leveling ones because you will only get maybe 1 finisher off on most mobs while leveling.

and its AOE, slightly

[marble magnet]

ass or sub, which is easier?

[elder crescent]

IMO assa, but that might just be me

Assa does more for me, but to be honest, outlaw is more fun.

[dire spoke]

sin has 36 attacks per minute vs 49

[civic palm]

36 attacks per MURDER more like

[marble magnet]

I'm just aiming for accessabilty, instead of fun or damage

[elder crescent]

Ease of play assa over sub, but thats my opinion.

[dire spoke]

it has the least buttons to press on 120 without traits simulated

damn phone

[elder crescent]

Outlaw does not have many buttons either, but you asked about Sub and Ass

[dire spoke]

otl 57 apm

but I believe 30 of those 57 are actually rolling dice

lol

[civic palm]

O _O! ya

[marble magnet]

what do you guys share your garrote keybind in other specs?

[pseudo spade]

@marble magnet nightblade in sub and pistol shot in outlaw if u mean what else I have bound to 3

[marble magnet]

you bound a spender, a dot and a proc in the same keybind?

[pseudo spade]

Yah when I learn a new class I just go to the rotation page on icy veins or etc and bind in order of priority and edit as needed

[steep obsidian]

garotte = snd, shadowstrike /shrug

makes sense to me coz shadowstrike and garrote both from stealth

and snd has been same button forever

[frozen pecan]

I use default bindings

[marble magnet]

blindside is basically execute right?

[civic palm]

It is something done when the target is under 30% health, yes.

[daring cave]

Can i ask a question aboyut stat weights? im still learning it

[strange python]

As long as it isnt "what are my stat weights"

[daring cave]

So says Weapon DMG as top stat

lol i got my weights just tryiong to figure this out now

its Weapon DPS Agi n CS haste

[supple hearth]

😬

[strange python]

[frozen pecan]

So?

[daring cave]

i guess im trying to see which one to increase or what to use to increase the weapon DPs

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b5TTd9DWG1hmD2Jbcp6pr

[strange python]

Get a better weapon

[frozen pecan]

Only weapons will increase your weapon dps

[daring cave]

ok

i guess it was just a stupid question

[frozen pecan]

Just go for crit and haste

[daring cave]

and have my answer thanks @frozen pecan

[sleek iron]

Increase your legendary ilvl with relic or get a lucky totanforged darkshore dagger

[warm parcel]

There are no gems or sockets for wdps

Only ilvl will do that

[daring cave]

Thanks

[plain cypress]

Hello guys I just wanted to say hi and introduce myself, my name is Miggy and I was recruited by Cathenell-Turalyon He/she is amazing and explained a lot to me and told me that you guys are awesome too and that you would help my noob person if I had any questions. thank you so much and I hope you dont get mad when I ask a lot of questions, thank you and Lok'tar Ogar!

[supple hearth]

[lofty matrix]

can someone link or know where to get assassin weak auras

[copper sinew]

wago.io

[lofty matrix]

ty @copper sinew

[steep obsidian]

the search button kinda sucks though google probably works better if you are looking for something specific

[ripe steeple]

why are people running sephuz? is there a way to proc it reliably?

[shrewd night]

2% raw haste permanent

[frozen pecan]

you can kick stuff you know

[shrewd night]

THat and it might just sim higher for them

[strange python]

I kinda miss the procs assassin would have in Legion

That extended/buffed up the poison/bleed effects

[shrewd night]

We had procs?

[supple mesa]

So on opener with CT do youjust not apply it til after vanish sequence with shoulders?/

[steep obsidian]

are you reading that somewhere?

the last i knew it wasnt even worth pressing in single target, I do not have any sims to back that up though

[royal bronze]

^^

Just refresh envenom in order to DS

[supple mesa]

Ok ty, and what do you mean ds

I’m not familiar with that one

[lost horizon]

simC doesn't use CT on ST

the unmarked small dmg portions are neck enchant and insignia hit

[strange python]

Trusting Assa apl

[simple jackal]

Anyone else here who hates that haste became so damn strong? I like the boost during bl but haste is so boring😕

[lost horizon]

🤷 adjust it if you'd like to see for yourself

but current apl doesn't use it

[strange python]

Current top profile is exsang anyway

[modern locust]

sorry if this quetion has been asked 100 times but how good is assassination in mythic+s compared to outlaw? Been looking through like 50 mythic+ logs and all rogues seem to be playing outlaw

[lost horizon]

are you looking through M+ logs on warcraftlogs?

[modern locust]

yeah

[lost horizon]

not a good representation

try: https://raider.io/mythic-plus/season-pre-bfa/all/world/leaderboards

either way though it's prepatch

tough to put faith into current rankings with legendaries and other cheese

[modern locust]

oooh cool thanks

[lost horizon]

as well as tuning passes to come

[modern locust]

yeah so those are for 110 but with the pre-patch?

[lost horizon]

you can view for bfa pre season (prepatch) legion post season (empowered artifacts) or other patches

[modern locust]

cool page, thanks a lot

[stark heart]

@lone junco how your exsang fares against your tb mate?

[steep obsidian]

pretty sure xsang blows wang because you can't line it up with vendetta anymore

[warm parcel]

Sims well on 120 😏
Havent you seen the glorious stack sims

[stark heart]

stacked charts btw

[steep obsidian]

lol

is that the one that shows enhance is top?

[warm parcel]

Yup

Better nerf enh

[pallid hound]

Hey, can I make small off-top but still in rogue topic? i was looking on the internet and in off-topic channel but no answer :<

[hardy anchor]

Anyone got any strong opinions on Blindside? Been using it while levelling and kinda feel a little off without it. Are Master Poisoner and Elaborate Planning signifigantly better or are they all pretty solid?

[grim jay]

need to sim it @hardy anchor

for my gear its a good bit weaker

fe

@pallid hound just ask it tho. if it gets moderated you were in the wrong channel

[pallid hound]

How do I get to exodar as horde for the mount questline quest?

[shrewd night]

Why do you want to go to exodar

[grim jay]

im not on the dark side, dunno tbh

[pallid hound]

quest "hiding a plain sight" - 0/1 assassinate the exodar mark

[shrewd night]

Oh, the class mount. First comment on wowhead: You can go to Exodar fastest from Orgrimmar and Mount Hyjal portal, or you can taxi to Moonglade or Duskwood, you can then fly to Ruttheran Village, take the ship to the west on map and go to entrance of Exodar, go inside the tunnel there and into the city.

Google is your friend

[pallid hound]

i googled but I only found ones for ally side

[shrewd night]

Dont know what you have googled then

[pallid hound]

just name of the quest

then name of the quest with horde into that

nvm, thanks for help lets not spam with offtopic

[grim jay]

always go for - "name of the quest" + wowhead

[shrewd night]

'hiding in plain sight horde' literally was top hit and first comment on said hit

[grave pagoda]

quick question, what neck enchant do we go for atm?

[supple mesa]

Satyr

[grave pagoda]

thx

is everyone going for the haste build now or u staying at mastery crit one ?

[shrewd night]

Whatever sims highest

[tranquil dove]

does vendetta still break stealth?

or after trait removal no more

[warm parcel]

Didnt break back then either

After bug fix

[tranquil dove]

i see

but he notices it right?

[warm parcel]

What?

You mean an enemy player

[azure fjord]

the boss notices u xd

[next needle]

So you can dreadlords deciet + shoulders + hidden blades? 😮

[royal lantern]

yes, but they allready nerfed it, its not that strong anymore

[tidal temple]

Ive tried all these macros for a shadowmeld into stealth. Has anyone figured out how to get this to work? Here's a resource if that helps. http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=56501/shadowmeld-stealth-macro

[warm parcel]

Try not being in a boss fight

Also you can literally just use
Cast meld
Cast stealth

[strange python]

Oof

[vast forum]

you can't meld-stealth with 1 button

[tidal temple]

There wouldnt be a forum on it if that macro wasn't the first we tried. its not that simple.

[vast forum]

it is that simple

[tidal temple]

not u

[warm parcel]

You can. Press it twice

[vast forum]

just press that macro twice and it works perfectly

[tidal temple]

not with your macro

[vast forum]

it can't work with 1 button with any kind of macro

[warm parcel]

Meld macro is just
Meld
Stealth

Press twice

[vast forum]

you can keep trying to simplify your game rather than pressing 2 buttons (or 1 button twice) but at some point, you should just get used to having a lot of binds

[tidal temple]

right u would think but on the first press you are already out of the meld

[warm parcel]

Why?

[frozen pecan]

"a lot of binds" nowadays lol

[tidal temple]

im already use to alot of binds it used to be worse

[vast forum]

well, a lot more than new players are willing to learn 😛

[strange python]

I bet he is using it in a boss fight

[tidal temple]

im literally standing in stormwind not doing a damn thing

[marble magnet]

for shaman/rogues, is your flame shock your garrote?

in terms of keybind

[warm parcel]

No

[strange python]

No because no one plays a shaman

[trail otter]

^

[marble magnet]

😦

[trail otter]

Real talk though yeah garrote and flame shock same bind for me

[marble magnet]

I'm considering doing a shuffle for my keybinds. Moving envenom to 5 instead of ctrl+1

[trail otter]

wha..

what

my env is ctrl end

my mutilate is alt - f4

[tidal temple]

okay i figured it out for those that werent much help. feel free to mooch this.

#Showtooltip Shadowmeld
/use [combat]Shadowmeld
/use !Stealth

[graceful breach]

hey guys.. for multi target i see that theres on envenom at all.. is that supposed to be correct?

no envenom*

[marble magnet]

how multi target are you talking.

how many

[warm parcel]

That macro does the same exact as a macro that was just
Meld
Stealth
It only looks fancier

[trail otter]

^

[warm parcel]

It has no difference is the end result

[marble magnet]

I just keep them seperate binds :^)

[tidal temple]

thats where youre wrong

you wont come out of meld and u dont unstealth by accident in combat

thus the "!"

[warm parcel]

Sure. Thing is you wouldnt lose meld either way by spamming a simple version. And /cast stealth has an internal cd so again spamming doesnt take you out

Unless you spam for long time

[tidal temple]

You lose meld after first cast your pulled out so you have to resort to hitting again quick to stealth..counterproductive.

1 button macro "couldnt be done"

Done

[trail otter]

lol

damn I've never seen that macro before

you just invented something amazing

[warm parcel]

I never said one button doesnt work

Just that you have to press more than once

[tidal temple]

ya boy Yoppa said that

[marble magnet]

Okay, I learned 5 is impractical for envemom

[trail otter]

use ctrl + end

that's what I use

or alt 0

[dire spoke]

[trail otter]

Honestly if ur not running my setup ur trash.

1 Mut 2 Env 3 Garrote 4 Toxic Blade 5 Rupture

this is the most optimal bind setup to humans

[vast forum]

i said you can't do it with 1 press

and you still can't

[tidal temple]

I can

#Showtooltip Shadowmeld
/use [combat]Shadowmeld
/use !Stealth

[vast forum]

have you tried doing that in combat?

[tidal temple]

in and out of combat works fine

[marble magnet]

where do you put crimson vial?

[dire spoke]

just click

[marble magnet]

nice

[shrewd night]

Like.. We cant tell how big your hands are or how flexible your fingers are. Just put it somewhere you can reach it. How hard is it...

[marble magnet]

I'm reffering to Nutty. Since I dont see his bind for vial

[trail otter]

you want every bind?

[marble magnet]

yeah

[trail otter]

Kidney R

SS V

sprint G

feint S-Q

CV S-F

blind T

vanish C

need to reformat

[marble magnet]

what's s-q?

[copper sinew]

Shift Q?

Why would you want to copy someone else’s keybinds?

[marble magnet]

i'm not

[trail otter]

Kidney R , SS V , Sprint G , Feint S-Q , CV S-F , Blind T , Vanish C , Evasion Z , Trinket Y, Cloak S-G , Vendetta S-R , Poisons F1 & F2, Kick E

[copper sinew]

Why are you asking for his full keybind set?

[marble magnet]

because im curious

[trail otter]

Bomb S-E

[copper sinew]

Makes no sense to me, but we

[trail otter]

im prolly missing something cuz I dont show half my buttons t

[edgy latch]

kidney alt q, ss shift e, sprint shift 3, feint 5, cv alt w, blind shift r, vanish shift 4, evasion shift 2, trinket shift f, cloak shift 5, vendetta shift g, kick shift 1, poisons shift c shift v

#1 binds

debate me

[trail otter]

hmmm

ur not using

alt - end

so ur trash

[edgy latch]

ok sry

[trail otter]

or alt f4

[edgy latch]

alt f4 is prepot

alt end is mutilate

[trail otter]

ah okay

good

[edgy latch]

np

envenom on alt backspace

[marble magnet]

I dont need to bind poisoned knife right?

[trail otter]

xd

[edgy latch]

why wouldnt you

great for questing

[lone junco]

@stark heart I've been running 4p20. So vend exang right after the open is just for lols. But in pvp it's melting people still. I don't run either of those for raid stuff. The desync makes me sad.

[edgy latch]

also for dealing dmg when you cant dps boss

[marble magnet]

Can a macro have conditions based on distance?

[trail otter]

I have knife on mouse button

[edgy latch]

got it on t

[trail otter]

but u use it a lot in arenas

[edgy latch]

whats arenas

[warm parcel]

Err. Likely not

[marble magnet]

I just cant decide my keybind for range ability for melee specs.

[edgy latch]

i thought they removed pvp back in wotlk

[warm parcel]

Afaik macros cant automate shit like that

At the very least shouldnt

[marble magnet]

so my heroic throw, poisoned knife, etc. are homeless

[dire spoke]

https://clips.twitch.tv/CleverGiantBulgogiShadyLulu

[lone junco]

I use c for FOK and shift c for throw. Same spot for any class.

[edgy latch]

are your solution is to not bind them at all?

fok is button to the left of 1

[dire spoke]

use my keybinds

don't play minigame pve

[lone junco]

Zing.

[marble magnet]

times like these, I really wish I had more mouse buttons

[edgy latch]

you should get banned for that clip

[dire spoke]

[trail otter]

wait you guys dont /cast typeyour abilities?

the fuck

[shrewd pine]

????

no

[lone junco]

The shoulder open clicking before prepatch was neat to see clicks.

[trail otter]

clicking looks way faster

[shrewd pine]

you obviously click shit from spellbook

[trail otter]

Nah that's what new players do

/cast is faster

[shrewd pine]

oh

I guess I'm shit at the game 😦

[trail otter]

/cast mutilate

/cast mutilate

/cast rupture

[solid nova]

Leave trolling out of the spec channels.

[edgy latch]

i actually have my gf sit at my computer when raiding, and I yell what the buttons looks like from the couch

[trail otter]

😮

LOL

[dire spoke]

RED WIRE BLUE SWORDS RED PUNCH ARROW

[shrewd pine]

GREEN WAVES

[ocean nebula]

someone told me assa got nerfed for bfa, can i read this anywhere?

[dire spoke]

pvp

[shrewd night]

Prepatch assasination was nerfed in PVP, dont believe all you hear.

[dire spoke]

I guess?

[ocean nebula]

ok ty

[dusky swift]

sub or assa for raid progression in BfA ?

[lone junco]

I ran pvp and was still top damage. That 4p20.

[plain thistle]

but dont tag every shadowblade plz 😃

[hoary copper]

I'm totally saving that Luke

[sacred ore]

guys what is the best lterations when simming using raidbots?

[shrewd pine]

the higher you go the more accurate numbers you get

[sacred ore]

what do u recommend

[dire spoke]

all of them for stats

[shrewd pine]

depends how many gear sets you acn fit in into your iteration limit

when I simmed 400gear sets on prepatch I did 5k

when I narrowed it down to 30 gear sets I did 50k

[dire spoke]

yeah

the closer you get to your top gear the more accurate you want it

[quick ice]

Use Smart Sim, does that automagically for you

[lone junco]

Sin only needs like 12k anyway before it finishes. I set to 30k for like 10-15sets.

[grave pagoda]

with shoulders, is rapture still better from stealth than a envemon?

with nightstalker skill

[uneven summit]

yes

[grave pagoda]

thx

[lone junco]

@grave pagoda no. And use subterfuge.

What I do:

Vanish env garrote mut env mut.

You can pencil math tho. Take your average rupture value. Add the ns. And look at damage gained. Then take avg env value. Make it crit and add ns. Then look at garrote, add subterfuge. One of them has the highest gain.

[uneven summit]

The dmg difference between Subterfuge and Nightstalker is so damn low it don´t really matter much tbh

[dire spoke]

that's the case for you, nice you have the choice then

[uneven summit]

Well yeah it´s based on my own sims ofc 😃

[lone junco]

Subterfuge is better in any condition where you can garrote 2x. And a probable wash at 1. Not worth ever using ns then.

And beyond that, subterfuge is pretty hard to mess up. Esp with the 6sec garrote.

[uneven summit]

NS Rupture sims better dmg for me though

[lone junco]

Less than 0.2% doesn't count.

Mine was literally = dps.

[dire spoke]

and beyond that it's normal for numbers to be "closer" when we don't sim 2m anymore

[lone junco]

But play how you like.

But vanish rupture ns. Is gonna be extremely meh.

Until they balance garrote and rupture back out.

[exotic glen]

the only times you could use NS atm would be to burst a big group of small adds. stealth / vanish > CT

but its not really worth

[dire spoke]

I saw a good NS > Rupture on KG add I believe

[lone junco]

M+ garrote is like 40% of my dmg. Pretty lolzy.

Rip my bae.

[dire spoke]

no noobe

[brave gyro]

Hi. So, before Legion, I made this macro, and i've been using it throughout the expansion. I found it very useful for myself, especially in dungeons, and thought you guys might like it:

/startattack
/cast [mod:shift, target=focus][target=mouseover, exists][nomod] SPELLNAME```

- When playing normally, it casts on your main target.
- When pressing SHIFT, it casts on focus
- When you have your cursor on a target, it casts on mouseover

It has a `/startattack`  for your basic abilities.  It is especially useful for Sin, as it often will auto apply poisons without needing to FOK or switch target.

The macro also works on things like Explosive in M+, where you just mouseover the orbs. 
I hope it helps you guys 😃

[lone junco]

Ok.

[dire spoke]

weak worked on sf exsa apl and it's not bad

[lone junco]

Hooray. Delay exs for alignment with vend/vanish?

Fuu tried and it didn't sync.

[dire spoke]

not that I've seen

[strange python]

Exsa is #1 Sin

idk what u on about

[lone junco]

Could be.

I'll call Ion and tell him to make it 30sec.

@brave gyro looks fancy. I just press garrote

[dire spoke]

I click

[brave gyro]

Haha, its not a necessity, but it does help when you try to really min/max 😛

it also makes you very reactionary and quick in dungeons

[strange python]

exsang 🤢

[brave gyro]

It's also something i havent seen others use, so I thought i might bring up something new to the fellow-rogues @lone junco

[dark token]

i just do mouseovers on all my dots

it was especially important in EN/ToV when i was runnign eye of command to keep up autoattack stacks on my main target

i dont do focus mods tho because i keep focus on tank for tricks

[inland thunder]

OK I'm getting conflicting information on this

can you or can't you snapshot Garotte/Rupture/Crimson tempest in Elaborate Planning windows and get 10% increased for the entire duration?

[ripe nimbus]

No

[dark token]

EP doesnt snapshot

only NS/subterfuge snapshot

[lone junco]

I don't exactly know if ep buffs the env hit, if ep is not up yet. Assume no. But ep would buff the first delayed tick of rupture.

But uptime is required to maintain buff on a rupture.

[dark token]

well you are supposed to try and clip ep at like 0.1s for your next envenom

and chain EP

instead of just using it whenever you have 4cp

save energy so you can do 2 envenoms

[drifting kite]

Hello! a simple question when bossing like in antorus dogs, should I keep my poisons up between the 2 dogs?

[balmy stump]

if i apply envenom, does it stack if i reapply before the previous one runs out?

like if i garrote, mutilate, rupture, toxic blade, mutilate envenom - then apply envenom a second time before the first ran out, does it stack or should i wait for the first envenom to fall off?

[strange python]

@drifting kite in terms of like, throwing poison knife on the other dog to keep poisons, no. But if they are close enough it as advantageous to shadowstep to the one and focus it while your dots are rolling on the other one. On mythic you have to swap which dog you attack a lot anyway.

[atomic saddle]

Venom Rush or Exsanguinate for raid testing?

[dark token]

i dont think either are very good

[lone junco]

Tb.

[atomic saddle]

Ravenholdt guide for BFA says exsang but not sure too tho

[strange python]

@balmy stump no it does not stack. You should wait until the previous envenom buff runs out to use envenom again. Exceptions are during toxic blade (you want to use at least two envenoms during its duration), and with the talent Elaborate Planning in which you should clip envenom just before EP runs out every 4 seconds.

[lone junco]

Some guides are referencing 120.

[strange python]

Apparently exsang is decent. The latest simcraft uses it. But I don't buy it.

[wheat hinge]

is it worth to use 2p and shoulders leggo or just go 4p?

[strange python]

sim it 🤷

[lone junco]

Raid. 4p21 M+ 4p20. 😃

I like exang. Would like to see it work. The 6s garrote will really help. Else you get a gap, as of course that is shitty.