assassination

[plain thistle]

[strange python]

even crucible ring

[plain thistle]

sephuz+bracer for me 😃

[strange python]

same

[solid nova]

Bis is obsolete terminology. Whats best for you, will be dependant on your own, individual sim.

[uneven bolt]

Ah

Ye

[hoary copper]

Sephuz bracer for me

but I dont have insignia

[robust abyss]

Did rogue get nerfed this morning?

[strange python]

no

[robust abyss]

Okay then

[dire spoke]

[wheat zealot]

[arctic venture]

!trinkets

[chrome tusk]

List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

[lone junco]

@vestal wren does garrote tick on application or does it delay tick time (1.3ish)

[vestal wren]

best way is to look at the combat log 😉

[strange python]

delay prob

[lone junco]

I'm on my phone. And blocked logs on pc.

[strange python]

i'll find out for you friend

[lone junco]

Tldr I had an idea. But should be working.

Re: 4p20 garrote on explosive orbs.

I'd love to run that if it ticks right away. Else. Might run outlaw.

[strange python]

delay

[lone junco]

Hrrm.

[strange python]

i sometimes rupture the orbs

for the energy

probably a huge waste though

[dire spoke]

@lone junco checked a log, I casted at 0.818s and Garothi got damage from garrote 2.398s

the silence hits instant

[lone junco]

Thx.

And boo.

1.5 sec isn't horrible. If it kills the orb

Price is right. ESP since mut sucks.

I'll prob still run that. I'm not the only orb guy . And I'm pretty jazzed about the 4p20. It was like 13% up over my other set in the trash packs.

[dire spoke]

https://snag.gy/tab3xH.jpg

garrote delay visualization

[lone junco]

Well. I guess if it takes 1-2 ticks per orb. That's still the fastest thing assassin could do. Besides hitting it with a 3-5cp env.

[strange python]

they made the orbs fugly

[dire spoke]

you can feint foe breaker on M aggr even with debuff now

*untalented

had fun today

[lone junco]

Neat. I should review the apl opener for shoulder bracer. But I think I'm doing it right. Opens way way strong.

Options. Garrote mut rupture vend. Mut tb env mut mut env. Mut mut vanish env garrote mut env mut.

Or. Delay the TB until the vanish at subterfuge refresh

Good

talk.

[dire spoke]

[thorny jasper]

trying out sephuz/insignia

if u get 3cps after the first mut do u just 3cp rupture

[nimble tartan]

i thought u vendetta then tb i havent touched sin in a minute tho

[thorny jasper]

yea but rupture first

i have 50% crit so its unlucky but happens

[nimble tartan]

oh wait nvm i read wrong

[hoary copper]

The cp for rupture doesnt make a difference except for timing

It doesnt do more damage for more CP

just last longer

[thorny jasper]

ya seems right ty

[hoary copper]

garrote mut mut rupture is fine too to get to 4+

its not the end of the world

[cerulean lava]

What's the best guess on top Rogue Spec

BFA

[strange python]

No one knows yet

[short pivot]

Hop drop gop stop

[ionic crest]

I can't write in quick questions, but. Is Rogue a high APM class?

oh right

[fiery nest]

Sin is lowest apm in the game, outlaw the highest so it depends on the spec

[clever girder]

Simulationcraft has a table for 7.3.0 saying exactly that. http://simulationcraft.org/reports/Raid_T20M.html

[safe matrix]

wait

does shadowmeld empower garrote?

cause it allows access to shadowstrike and other stealth abilities

[clever girder]

I wish it were the other way around. I like the fantasy of Outlaw Rogue but I dislike the lot of typing. 😃

[dire spoke]

why would an osbolete table matter

[fiery nest]

It doesn't proc shoulders liavre so I assume it's coded so it doesn't

Sims show apm btw you can just look for yourself if you don't trust other datas

[safe matrix]

yeah, non empowered

FeelsBadMan

[lone junco]

not mad

garrote all the things

[civic palm]

Yes.

All the things.

[tough lantern]

2210023?

[valid thistle]

Guys, I have a doubt Orc or Blood Elf? Love both races so wanted to use whatever minor dps dfiference there is to see which to choose

[dire spoke]

check herodamage in pins

expect changes for tier launch maybe

[royal lantern]

dps difference in bfa is REALLY small right now

[valid thistle]

true that

Orcs look amazing

but so do Belfs :mmm:

[dire spoke]

just play troll so you don't need to choose between the two

[valid thistle]

Sadly their posture is so bad 😢

[fiery nest]

goblin

[valid thistle]

Goblin is a Green Gnome

and Gnome is Kill

[fiery nest]

what did you just call me

[valid thistle]

Green Gnome >=|

[royal lantern]

dwarf or riot

[fiery nest]

😡

[flat fox]

could someone take a look at my logs for me?

[lone junco]

LOL> I think vigor is overkill for this build

[civic palm]

Just stop bleeding so much?

[lone junco]

not bad for a bunch of garrotes

[flat fox]

can someone take a look at this for me https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bKdyYg3rnXPW769R/#fight=last&type=damage-done&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%24132619286.0.0.Rogue%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%240

[dire spoke]

https://snag.gy/vXLw4j.jpg

really?

[exotic glen]

LOL

[dire spoke]

how much energy do you want? like 100 per tick? 😄

you're using rupture way too often, stop that

[civic palm]

No just fucking... RUPonCD.

please don't

[flat fox]

Alright cut down on rupture by a lot.

[dire spoke]

And read the toxic blade tooltip - after that read the envenom tooltip

and the pinned guides maybe

[wheat zealot]

Is envenom even on your action bars?

[civic palm]

haha

[calm grail]

@flat fox Do you know how pandemic windows work?

[flat fox]

Apparently not.

[calm grail]

You only need to refresh rupture when it has less than like 7 seconds left.

And the remaining duration will be added to a fresh rupture.

Any sooner than that and you are just wasting resources.

I forgot what the exact time is it might be like 7. 3 seconds or 6. 7 I can't remember.

[flat fox]

I get button happy when there is downtime and so I press things I shouldn’t.

[calm grail]

Save energy and figure out what the next appropriate action is.

Based on the guide priority list. What's going on in the fight etc.

You never want your bleeds to fall off, but there are things you want to do in between applying them.

Like playing a round of fortnite.

[flat fox]

The in between time is what I’m not good at

[north terrace]

You use envenom

Instead of rupture

You have 2 finishing moves, you only use rupture when it's at pandemic or if the mob doesn't already have a rupture on it for whatever reason

Envenom any other time

For the question of pandemic time it's 7.2 seconds if you're going to do a full 5 combo point rupture

And 6 s for a 4 combo point rupture

[dire spoke]

which is mentioned in the guides

[flat fox]

Thanks. I’ll go back and read the guides again.

[north terrace]

Look under the rotation portion of the guide

It'll give you an idea of what to do in the "in between time"

[strange python]

any weakaura wizard on?

[exotic glen]

try the weakauras discord

[strange python]

thx

haha wa discord was about as helpful as a bag of sores in the anus

[civic palm]

What's the issue?

[strange python]

im after a wa for 30% on target with a spin animation, have treid wago and stuff, so i could modify but im too sucky to do my own wa's from the ground up

[civic palm]

So you are looking for a WA to show execute range?

[strange python]

yas

[civic palm]

gimme a second

[strange python]

❤

[dire spoke]

@strange python you didn't even ask anything there

[strange python]

i did, they removed it

[dire spoke]

sure

[civic palm]

Mmm, did they remove the spin I am thinking about... > _> I wonder.

[strange python]

didnt even come to that before posts where removed

[civic palm]

try https://pastebin.com/0DREcDa2

Can't rotate icons =\ had to use a texture, works though.

So w/e

[strange python]

wow, thx alot man ill check it out right away

thats perfect, love it.

[civic palm]

👍

[strange python]

put it on wago tbh

[marsh talon]

any chance the legendary cloak is good for leveling. or didnt they nerf it so just use like mantle/sephuz?

[civic palm]

No there's probably a trillion execution WA's there, easy to make.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strange python]

ah ok

😃

thx again, ahve a good night/day wherever you are

[civic palm]

You as well.

[strange python]

thx 😃

[dire spoke]

[thorny jasper]

@dire spoke i was reading one of ur logs earlier and i have a question

when you have tb up are you going global to global or refreshing for ep uptime ( assuming u have enough energy that u dont have to wait for envenom )

[dire spoke]

You spam env inside TB

[civic palm]

SMASH!!

[strange python]

zempai how the fuck did you do 8.5k on varimathras.

[thorny jasper]

ok so smorc

thanks

[fleet whale]

I know it doesn't matter that much but what talents will you all be using while leveling?

[strange python]

mfd leeching poison ct

[thorny jasper]

im stuck at 22% haste so my rotation feels a little weird atm
much appreciated

[exotic glen]

outlaw

best talent

[dire spoke]

numbers may or may not be fake

[strange python]

I expected to click on the log and see envenom at 80% crit rate or some shit

[civic palm]

YEAH ZEMPAI

O _O WHY IS THAT LOG STILL THERE ?

[strange python]

what did you do

hackerman

[dire spoke]

I click my spells

[exotic glen]

lmfao theri is still r1 aggramar

thought they'd have detected the cheat by now

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

PrePatch

[supple hearth]

^

Blizzard dgaf about old content

Exploit their new stuff and it's a ban hehehe

[civic palm]

Well they have more important shit to do atm.

Though at the same time...

the constant hotfixes to old content states otherwise.

To an extent.

[strange python]

thought he meant the warcraftlogs admins

[supple hearth]

Well part of that is fine since they recently made changes that affects everything

Gotta tune the scaling

[exotic glen]

i really did mean wcl admins

you feel me connor

[strange python]

👌

[supple hearth]

Wcl admins probably same tho

[exotic glen]

👋🏿 giggle

[supple hearth]

Probably dgf about old stuff

[exotic glen]

well they cared about mop pots

[strange python]

they were quick to slam on that mastery cheat.

[supple hearth]

@exotic glen don't make me kiss u

[exotic glen]

made all those rankings ineligible

yeah no connor

thats the cheat i meant

[strange python]

oh.... ..

[exotic glen]

theris mastery bugged r1 aggramar

is still r1

[strange python]

someone in another discord was complaining their logs kept getting flagged yet he was doing nothing and assumed it was the mastery shit

guess not 🤷

[exotic glen]

did he check that it was him getting barred from parsing?

and not a raid teammate

[strange python]

i dunno

[exotic glen]

if one person does something detectable, the entire log is invalid

[strange python]

true true

[exotic glen]

and our raid leader used MOP pots

making most of ours rip

[strange python]

busted the darkmoon card logs too

but that one was pretty obvious

[dire spoke]

I wish I ran heroic with my guild this day, log would be even more broke due to killtimes

I even forgot to pot sometimes

[strange python]

is the prepatch rota the bfa rota

[dire spoke]

maybe

nobody knows what talents sin will run with uldir

[civic palm]

is the clear and obvious answer

Though probably Blindside for a bit.

[exotic glen]

no leeching poison

you are wrong, its the best dps increase

[manic vigil]

[strange python]

with no tier and lower stat scaling at 120, I doubt ep will be good for a long time

well

[exotic glen]

not picking cheat death makes you a better player

[strange python]

on single target

and I guess there are no single target fights in uldir

[civic palm]

CD is technically a better DPS CD.

[dire spoke]

why is it obvious

[strange python]

zempai how you get so many sockets

[exotic glen]

leeching poison encourages you to play better

if you need cheat death, you're not a good player

[dire spoke]

Connor are you drunk

[strange python]

sure

[exotic glen]

how so many sockets zempai

h o w

[strange python]

tell me your s e c r e t s

[civic palm]

CD allows you to play around mechanics, Leeching is fucking headpats.

[dire spoke]

At least half the raid is single target

waddu saying

[strange python]

show me a single target fight

in uldir

[civic palm]

also my obvious bit is a fucking joke.

[exotic glen]

mize doesnt know the meme

[dire spoke]

Starts with first boss

[civic palm]

Yaknow what meme's are in 2018?

Shit tier lowkey horseshit jokes that are not too funny to make it.

Which is the opposite of what a meme is meant to be.

So they failed at that too.

[dire spoke]

8| am I biting a bait here

[strange python]

he got big blobble fuckers that attack you in intermission.

[civic palm]

Who fucking knows.

With all the garbage meme's.

THE JOKE IS THERE ARE NONE

HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[exotic glen]

@civic palm idk if you know but there was a guy some time ago

that was reaaally trying to argue that cheat death made you a worse player

[civic palm]

Yeah I remember that.

There's been a few.

[exotic glen]

its always funny

[dire spoke]

And melee will focus the tanky ones, rogues using ST cleave

but sure go aoe walk around in blood 8|

[strange python]

dont worry i have cheat death

[dire spoke]

mother maybe needs rogue aoe if roster is shite, devo is patchwerk and nearly every other boss has focus targets

I'd rather say there are no real aoe fights

[strange python]

you're right about fetid. guess that fight was so boring I completely forgot about it.

[torpid hare]

Y'all using dreadlords deceit in m+ for NA this week?

[dire spoke]

depends on key, setup and pulls I guess

🤔

[grim canopy]

so what do i reroll after those extreme uncalled for nerfs

enchancement?

[dire spoke]

rogue

[silver stone]

I think sin will still be fine

[hazy sphinx]

Best talents for pvp?

Regular BGs

[strange python]

quick question, does barbed wire 15% DR work on bosses?

[dire spoke]

check out #pvp pins

[strange python]

i mean iron wire

or is it only if you actually silence someone

[topaz gulch]

@grim canopy what nerfs?

[civic palm]

PVP nerfs

[topaz gulch]

They on mmo champ?

[civic palm]

Source: https://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/1097272-upcoming-pvp-hotfixes-8-1/

[fleet whale]

It was bound to happen, but outlaw and sub for that matter got off easy

[topaz gulch]

Seems a bit excessive but whatever

[fleet whale]

for assassination not really, the spec was beyond broken in pvp

[exotic glen]

you guys

were fucking scaring me

thought assa got nerfed in pve

who cares about minigame

[fleet whale]

lol no, that would be the end of the spec right there if those were pve nerfs

[dire spoke]

I hope sin is bad

Change my mind

actually no don't change my mind

[civic palm]

You could hope whatever you want.

But you better not have some kind of flammable home to burn down.

[zealous lily]

zzz stupid

outlaw going to be kind of the go-to now with such a severe nerf

"we found a bug in which rogues were dangerous from stealth. we will nerf everything until pvp is back to noodle combat again."

[fleet whale]

tbf the spec was utterly broken in pvp

[civic palm]

Completely broken.

[fleet whale]

I think sub and outlaw could have gotten more... but the state assassination was in...

[supple hearth]

Sin is still good

[zealous lily]

all bursty classes got super nerfed

[fleet whale]

problem is blizz did nothing to the twist the knife trait

[supple hearth]

I think creeping venom was a bit much but will be fine. It was only broken in normal bgs because things don't get dispelled

[fleet whale]

with 3 ranks of that, sin will be very strong again

[wet yew]

Anyone impacted by the quest log bug? I'm still curious if they can roll it back

[supple hearth]

@gusty kestrel that's just u playing against bad healers. Creeping venom isn't new at all

[wet yew]

Priest can't

But Pala in general can

[supple hearth]

Monk can dispel
Paladin can

Shaman should be able too although I'm not as familiar with their kit as the others

[wet yew]

Yeah well not the real solution to that, mass dispel costs so much mana and has a higher cd

[supple hearth]

And again creeping isn't new

It's been there for years now

More rogues are just using it now

Than they were before

[wet yew]

True

[steel hornet]

hopefully Ret Pally get the Nerfhammer too

[exotic glen]

their ST is pretty fucking insane

[strange python]

how can prist remove poisons ?

[exotic glen]

mass dispell?

[quiet ginkgo]

sins dead in pvp now or what?

[civic palm]

no

[supple hearth]

not at all

[quiet ginkgo]

okay good lol

[supple hearth]

It was a justified nerf.

[pastel vault]

anyone simmed azerite traits for rogue yet?

[fleet whale]

The nerf was fair... assassin is still decent in pvp just not a broken spec now

[grim canopy]

if i dont go sub for m+ in bfa, will i be castrated?

or i mean

wrong word

[frigid sleet]

monkaS af

[grim canopy]

castigated

I only really like sin

[fleet carbon]

Yikes

[grim canopy]

should i not do rogue then anymore

[civic palm]

What?

[supple hearth]

🤔

It's up to u whether u should do rogue or not

[grim canopy]

i been playing ass for a year

but i can't go through another expansion were it sucks in M+

[supple hearth]

Assassination didn't suck in m+ in legion though?

In fact it's been very strong for the past year

[grim canopy]

well not suck but, i mean, looked down upon if your not sub

spat on

[supple hearth]

Play with different people then

Or get better

Either or

It's just a game

[grim canopy]

Better? u mean press the change spec button?

[supple hearth]

And sin is totally fine

No

There were plenty of sin rogues pushing high keys

[grim canopy]

hmm

[manic vigil]

it was frowned upon in pugs I suppose

[civic palm]

The opinion of random people does not matter.

[supple hearth]

^

[manic vigil]

because people don't know shit and jump to conclusions. shocker

[civic palm]

This is a Catch-22.

[grim canopy]

but in a lot of youtubers putting SUB in top tier, assassin middle for bfa

[manic vigil]

very true

[civic palm]

Random youtubers, OK.

[supple hearth]

Who cares? You're not pushing +30

[manic vigil]

but if you frequently play with said people you will have to get used to vouching for yourself I guess

[supple hearth]

You're not at the level where it matters

[civic palm]

Also, +30 in BfA is HOW MANY patches from now?

[grim canopy]

but at lower keys u can still do faster with sub

[marble hemlock]

it probably matters more which spec you play for mid-tier keys, than for giga-high keys though

[fleet carbon]

Pugs will be pugs

:(

[supple hearth]

Not really

[marble hemlock]

pugs will decline you for whatever reason

[civic palm]

Yeah you almost never play near max level keys.

[marble hemlock]

might be your score, might be your spec, might be your realm

[grim canopy]

Crimson Tempest for M+?

[marble hemlock]

rogue looks to be the only viable melee-class in bfa right now

[civic palm]

PuG will more likely decline you because there are 200 people applying for that group than what spec you are.

[honest silo]

I played assassination thorugh ll of legion and always did well in m+ as it is my predominant end game

[marble hemlock]

with both sub and outlaw having their niches, sub being really damn good for infested, which will be the first seasonal affix, and noone really tried assa to say how good/bad it is by comparison

[supple hearth]

If you're good at what you do you will always find people to play with regardless of ur spec. If ur not good and ur not willing to swap that's a personal problem not the spec or community

[marble hemlock]

keep in mind that we are not as locked into a single spec as we used to be

[civic palm]

and that we also have more options INSIDE said specs.

[marble hemlock]

there might be dungeons where you play sub, some you play outlaw, and maybe a few where assa is best

[civic palm]

Having CT in Legion would have changed things O _O

[rich fulcrum]

I love outlaw for m* but when I play sin it’s perfectly fine

[marble hemlock]

unless things change in a big way, rogue looks to be the only t1 melee class for high-end m+ in bfa

[civic palm]

Warriors are doing that poorly?

[rich fulcrum]

Nothing wrong at all with playing sin in any tier key

[marble hemlock]

every melee is doing poorly, because trash sucks even worse than legion-trash

[civic palm]

True.

[marble hemlock]

rogue just happens to have enough utlity, survivability and dps to still be an option

but i wouldnt be surprised if most groups just ran triple ranged

[rich fulcrum]

Know your spec, know your team, know the mechanics and you can crush with nearly any comp (varying afffixes)

[civic saffron]

I though arms was meant to be max meme for m+ due to spin2win

[glad jacinth]

Heyy i recently started playing a rogue and was wondering wat talent i should take at the level 15 tree since warcraft logs confuses me a bit

[civic palm]

Yeah well an Arms corpse can't spin so.

Unless there is a bug causing the corpse to spin.

[quick ice]

based on experience, that bug is common

spinning corpses don't hurt trash though

[marble hemlock]

@grim canopy and since you were asking, yes, crimson tempest for m+

[civic palm]

They hurt the rest of the DPS due to their dying of laughter.

[civic saffron]

Honestly if that bug became a glyph I'd main arms

[grim canopy]

damn poor arms aint got shit

[strange python]

@glad jacinth elaborate planning is good if you have lots of crit and haste (and tier 21).

[civic palm]

Most people don't have shit, we're in a bare-bones kit restart expansion.

[grim canopy]

hmm

[manic vigil]

remember when we had artifact weapons

[glad jacinth]

@strange python and without t21 ?

[civic palm]

We still do :pepeMeme:

[strange python]

master poisoner probably

but you can always sim your choices at raidbots.com

[glad jacinth]

cheers

[grim canopy]

damn they nerfed the shit out of assassin pvp

[civic palm]

It was broken.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[manic vigil]

ahsoka

[grim canopy]

what if its broken the other direction now

cause blizz

[civic saffron]

@manic vigil remember when blizz said they won't nerf the shit out of a spec after people invest AP and time into leggos? #firemage

[manic vigil]

too soon

[grim canopy]

at least u can respec azuerite armor

[marble hemlock]

i mean that statement wnet out the window during the first week of EN when they giganerfed the outlaw traits

[civic saffron]

Speaking of nerfs, we need GC back. Rets are getting too uppity.

[civic palm]

Yeah there was clearly broken shit though.

Like they're just gonna let that shit stand.

[civic saffron]

So the players get penalised by having their time invested made pointless because blizz cannot into balance?

[marble hemlock]

yes

[grim canopy]

damn i forgot t o get the other 2 mage tower skins

[marble hemlock]

thats how it works

[grim canopy]

well whatever sin one is best

[marble hemlock]

because at the end of the day blizz can do whatevre they want, unless people are going to quit over any given decision (which they wont) theres no reason to not go back on stuff the promised

[mossy dirge]

should I be refreshing subterfuge snapshot garrote that is applied on pull with a vanish snapshot garrote during pandemic window?

[supple hearth]

People who are upset by the recent nerfs are literal fotm rogues. There's 0 reason to be discouraged at that hotfix

[remote wing]

its small nerfs anyway nothing huge

[north terrace]

Or it could just be people that see the numbers and are unsure of the actual in game effect

[civic palm]

I do think that it would have been a bigger issues to leave the relics the way they were than nerf them as soon as the problem arose.

[north terrace]

And we can all just wait and see how it works out before jumping to conclusions lol

[marble hemlock]

which would be the definition of a knee-jerk reaction @north terrace

[supple hearth]

It's already been tested on beta and sin is still strong

[marble hemlock]

and you cant take people seriously who get up in arms over a change they read about, without knowing how itll actually turn out

unless its something monumentally stupid

like forced PL

LUL

[civic palm]

Not most people anyway.

[north terrace]

I mean... can you take half the people here seriously? There are people that literally ask the most basic questions, answers to which are posted in the guide that's linked at the top of discord and in the pins... It's just the nature of the beast, if you don't like seeing "is sin dead now in pvp?" then I would avoid this discord the next couple days lol

[marble hemlock]

nah

[north terrace]

Or just ignore it and let them figure it out

[marble hemlock]

then i couldnt respond with "what is dead my never die" memes

[civic palm]

o _o

What fucking year is it...

[marble hemlock]

its more fun to troll people that ask stupid questions :/

[supple hearth]

🤷 rogue mains will still be here in a year and people asking what the best spec won't be

[civic palm]

mmmmmmmmm

[marble hemlock]

lets be honest giggle

there will still be people here in a year, or 10, asking those questions

they just wont be the same people

[supple hearth]

The question will still be asked. But the people will be different

[marble hemlock]

not sure which one would be worse

[supple hearth]

I sure hope I'm not here in 10 years.

[civic palm]

There's always new people, which is always good.

[supple hearth]

Probably will be tho

[marble hemlock]

nah

new people suck

only need new people when theres not enough old people anymore

[manic vigil]

you think wow will still be a thing in 10 years?

[marble hemlock]

it was a thing 10 years ago, why wouldnt it be in 10 years?

[north terrace]

WoW will live on for as long as Blizz can make a crapload of money off of it

Which is... probably for a really long time lol

[marble hemlock]

in order to leave forever, you must take forever to leave

[supple hearth]

Wow will probably still be around but let's be honest blizzard will have moved on to bigger things

[civic palm]

They already have bigger things.

Money wise.

[marble hemlock]

once the "lets make wow more like diablo3" has passed

some other games devs will move over to develop wow

[north terrace]

Do they though? WoW makes a shitload of money that comes in constantly... I guess overwatch does too

[marble hemlock]

we just dont know yet which one itll be

subscription-models are outdated in an era that has gacha/treasure box/cardpack/MTX models

[civic palm]

New DEVs are almost always joining Team1 though =\

Gacha has existed for longer than SUB models though O _O

[manic vigil]

I like subscription though

[marble hemlock]

in the east? yes

in the west? no

[manic vigil]

but I'm old

[civic palm]

There are more players in the East.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[north terrace]

Yeah, they are outdated and yet they still have what like 8million+ subscribers?

[marble hemlock]

there are more penguins in the south

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[manic vigil]

penguins

nice assa talk btw

[marble hemlock]

SHHHH

youll wake the dad

[civic palm]

This is some fucking meteoric growth -

[marble hemlock]

i mean

is there even a way to support a content creator directly on youtube?

[civic palm]

Yeah they have a real SUB button now.

Some people do.

please stop

[marble hemlock]

its not comparable to twitch though

so im not too surprised about those numbers

[manic vigil]

I remember when I was playing Fifa 98

[civic palm]

Well for one almost all of Twitch is gaming related.

Whereas Youtube is getting further and further from that.

mmm, Overwatch is off the Top 10 -

[manic vigil]

Dungeon Fighter Online

never heard of it

[civic palm]

Very good game.

👌

Old as sin.

[manic vigil]

sarcasm?

[civic palm]

Huh?

[manic vigil]

no sarcasm?

[civic palm]

I've played it since like 2006 or something.

[manic vigil]

okay

it's a weeb game

[civic palm]

Korean but nice try you fucking racist.

[manic vigil]

[marble hemlock]

wait

korean isnt weeb?

[civic palm]

That's racist?

[marble hemlock]

unintentional racism

[manic vigil]

[civic palm]

So says the internet.

[marble hemlock]

so

koreans could be weebs?

[civic palm]

Sure.

[marble hemlock]

nice assa talk btw

[civic palm]

and Japanese people that go the other way are Westaboos.

[marble hemlock]

mods asleep

ANARCHY

[strange python]

so says the shadow of internet

[manic vigil]

koreaboos

like mize and toph

[civic palm]

Nah I don't wish I were Korean.

[manic vigil]

yes you do, I clearly said so

[civic palm]

Oh ok.

Sorry m'lord.

[manic vigil]

[marble hemlock]

i concur

[civic palm]

Man I bet this video will be a nugget of well-informed opinions -

[supple hearth]

#off-topic

🙃

[marble hemlock]

😀

told you

[civic palm]

YOU HAVE TRIGGERED MY TRAP CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD

[supple hearth]

Im sorry I derailed us

[manic vigil]

[marble hemlock]

nice one mize

[supple hearth]

everything below this line is now assassination talk

[marble hemlock]

do i stack shadowdance and symbols of death?

[civic palm]

TBonCD

[grim canopy]

now they just need to nerf sub pvp dmg and the rerolls will be gone

i like rogue at 5%

[supple hearth]

Nothing wrong with sub pvp damage tho

[grim canopy]

they 1 shotting

in 120

[supple hearth]

🤷

[grim canopy]

cant' find the twitch, but he was doing it all day

[supple hearth]

pikaboo

thats how dfa was in wod

[grim canopy]

so it wont b enerfed?

[supple hearth]

it was already slightly nerfed just today lol

but I don think tuning is done

season 1 is still a month+ away

[strange python]

Guys

Is mastery still a priority for assassin ?

[supple hearth]

have u looked at the pins?

[civic palm]

We have some nice pins this evening

They're in season.

[wise frigate]

Did someone say pins?

[half atlas]

nice assas pvp nerfs

lol

[cerulean aspen]

anyone else experiencing this wonderful "lose all your quests" bug?

[dark pasture]

whats the best leg for singeltarget?

i see 2 rings and shoulders

so its invidual?

[strange python]

my highest two are sephuz and wrist

so id assume its personal

[dark pasture]

ye mantle and sephuz was best for me

but raven holt was 2dps behind xD and i guess then its better since i dont need think about procing it

[supple mesa]

Sims don’t include sephuz proc

Only the stats and 2% haste

Meaning sephuz is much better on fight where you can proc it. Like high command🧐

[grave flame]

https://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/1097272-upcoming-pvp-hotfixes-8-1/

Guys what is your opinion on this nerfs?

[civic palm]

They were required.

[grave flame]

But on assa?

I mean prey on the weak 5% ?

[civic palm]

I am not saying the numbers are perfect, just that nerfs were required.

[half atlas]

its pvp not pve

[civic palm]

uhhuh

[grave flame]

Ik it's pvp

[warm parcel]

RGUE

Nice nerfs

[grave flame]

But I'm a PvP player

Ik not into pve that much

I'm

[civic palm]

LOOK HERE WEAK

We were broke =\

[grave flame]

They reduced the damage of all the powerful abilities by half

Maybe having it by 7% instead of 5%

[half atlas]

just play outlaw or sub they do the same if not more dmg than assass

outlaws a better spec in 3s at 120 anyway

[grave flame]

Garrote did 100% now 50

[supple mesa]

Fuck off roo

[warm parcel]

Naa dude

[half atlas]

u fuck fag

[warm parcel]

Now we broke

Reroll

Also

[grave flame]

I don't want to reroll I've been playing rogue since bc

[warm parcel]

Im a bit 🐒

So was the lfd racial buffed?

From 40% to 50% dmg

[supple mesa]

Tbh outlaw and sub are the best for sure on launch. But just you want for the mythic patch ☺️

Wait*

[keen stratus]

Hi, I'm new to Rogue but curious as to what's the more fun spec to level as?

[half atlas]

assass probably highest single target

so theyd get nerfed in pve

[grave flame]

Come on guys focus on PvP for a sec

[civic palm]

Doubt it.

Go to #pvp 😛

[supple mesa]

Go to the pvp section

[grave flame]

You know that with the open world PvP

[supple mesa]

Like wtf are you talking about lol

[warm parcel]

Dude you can talk pvp here

[half atlas]

ur probs like 1500 why are u worried

[warm parcel]

Just more likely to have people in pvp

[grave flame]

I'm 2.4 hah

[half atlas]

suuure

if u were 2.4 u would know that 5% to prey is nothing

at 120 u take internal bleeding anyway and iron wire against caster comps

[supple mesa]

Yikes

[jovial kite]

Prey becomes better in deeper dampening so 🤷

[quaint rune]

hey

are we pissed about the nerfs?

the upcoming nerfs to our spec?

[supple mesa]

Round 2

[civic palm]

Round 9 more like.

[half atlas]

do ppl not see it says pvp

[quaint rune]

SORRY L:OL

[supple mesa]

FIGHT

[quaint rune]

ill leave here Love you guys

[warm geode]

what leggos we r using for m+? shoulder+ravenhold? or shoulder+cape?

[supple mesa]

Shoulder sephuz but sim your aelf

[lusty berry]

is bleed build any viable for pvp?

i mean like, exsanguinate, crimson tempest and internal bleeding

[dark pasture]

nah toxic blade is still better

[lusty berry]

Sad!

[dark pasture]

and poison bomb

ye they should rly buff exanguinate

[lusty berry]

well it's kind of a dick move to make mastery increase bleed damage but then keep bleed build subpar

cuz bleeds are druid's thang or w/e

ye they should reduce cd on exsanguinate

to match toxic blade imo

[dark pasture]

its just that ur bleeds are good without thos extras

[lusty berry]

yea, i guess

i was just thinking that perhaps

exsanguinate + neurotoxin could be a mean burst

but i dunno

[dark pasture]

they prolly need to make exan tick faster

then its prolly viable

[lusty berry]

i remember when it was 400% or some shit

good times

lol

[dark pasture]

yea but that was just faceroll xD

[lusty berry]

[warm parcel]

How bout we chill cause balance hasnt seen daylight yet

[lusty berry]

i'm chill

hbu?

[warm parcel]

400% ex was prebalance too

[dark pasture]

yea but it was 300% in launch?

[civic palm]

400-100-200?-600...400...300?

[warm parcel]

No

It was 100

[civic palm]

Yarrr.

It was rather deflating.

[lusty berry]

imo something like 150% and 30s cd

should be gucci

[dark pasture]

yea but then they need to nerf something else. and that will make poison build bad

[lusty berry]

i don't feel like googling this, but the way haste affects bleeds now

do you get more tics

in the same time

[warm parcel]

Yes

Just like any dot

[lusty berry]

noice

so haste is number one stat

matery is number 2?

[onyx falcon]

has anyone gotten any work order rank up scrolls WQs recently? swapped back to alchemy but havent gotten any recently

[warm parcel]

Haste will be not useless

Again. Well see when tuning happens

But at least haste now does serve a function in assa

[onyx falcon]

Also Haste is prob gonna be #1/#2 but prob #2 if they actually try n make agi matter more

think absolute #1 is weapon dmg but thats separate

[warm parcel]

Thinking about stats like this is just what you shouldnt do anyway

[quick current]

which poison are you guys using?

[honest compass]

crippling only

[civic palm]

That would be... crippling.

[supple mesa]

This troll

[shrewd pine]

I only use wound poison.

it prevents bosses from healing up after wipe.

[inland ridge]

Sephuz or insignia?

[dire spoke]

why not both

[civic palm]

👍

NICE UPLOAD DISCORD

What a piece of shit you have become.

[dire spoke]

240

[civic palm]

Yeah that's odd.

Still beating the other options if that is reporting correctly.

that is pretty funny.

[dire spoke]

what exactly?

[civic palm]

huh?

[dire spoke]

*is pretty funny

[civic palm]

That it's 240.

[compact parrot]

The ilvl id say^^

[civic palm]

But I don't blame myself for not leveling that thing.

[dire spoke]

U bad rog

[civic palm]

If that is what it takes, sure.

[dire spoke]

casual poo poo

[civic palm]

and that shit is staying that way.

Very rood.

[dire spoke]

[inland ridge]

Both rings simmed lower then 1 Ring+ mantle for me idk

About 40 dps

[dire spoke]

Yeah, it's different for everyone

[shrewd pine]

click click click

thats all I hear when Zempai talks

[dire spoke]

[shrewd night]

Maybe he uses the windows keyboard and clicks when he types on discord

[dark pasture]

seems its good until u got enough haste. then it seems to be worse

[dire spoke]

sounds good, makes sense

[thick jacinth]

is exanguinate best for pvp?

[dire spoke]

head over to #pvp for pinned messages and minigame discussion 💪

[thick jacinth]

there's nothing relevant to my question in pins

[dire spoke]

but people who care about it maybe

[solid nova]

Prepatch over tuning for pvp being scaled for 110 🤷🏼

[strange python]

sorry i've missed channel

[solid nova]

😄

[ornate aspen]

🅱oison 🅱omb is somehow the most infuriating yet most fun mechanic ive had the pleasure of playing with in a long time

[stark mirage]

does anybody know how raidbot sims sephuz? does ist just assume 0 procs?

[solid nova]

It assumes no procs

[shrewd night]

How is PB infuriating in its current iteration?

It sucks donkeynoodle

[ornate aspen]

It procs when theres 1 target but when I get a pack of 75 it wont

Feels bad

[shrewd night]

Why werent you using CT for multitarget is the right question.

[ornate aspen]

Look here

[solid nova]

You shouldnt assume PB is useful for AoE in the first place.

[ornate aspen]

I like my poison boy playstyle. Dont crush my dreams

[solid nova]

If you're not playing AoE talents, dont expect to do AoE damage 😄

[shrewd night]

Basicly what Richard said.

[ornate aspen]

Ill run CT if im doing something competitive

[keen inlet]

Reminder that off-topic belongs in off-topic.

[hoary copper]

Oldie but goodie

[scarlet birch]

Hey when you guys transmog daggers, do only the base weapon skins show for you? or do you guys see the additional unlocked skins as well?

figured it out, just had to relog

[keen inlet]

Yeah try a /reload

if that happens. It's pretty buggy

[hoary copper]

UI seems buggy since prepatch. Elviui hates me with chat especially since prepatch

[thorny oasis]

tell you what's OP right now is wearing the alchemy stone and popping astral healing potions... you pretty much go back to full xD

[keen inlet]

Nice that they made it useful

[dire spoke]

don't need that if you're gud rog

[torn coyote]

@dire spoke whats ur sim ?

ur logs are crazy

[dire spoke]

I click my spells

[exotic glen]

what

[torn coyote]

yeah good same here

[exotic glen]

whats ur sim

i click my spells

[torn coyote]

but whats rogue sims for\

[dire spoke]

6.4

[torn coyote]

make sense\

im not even close to 6k

[dire spoke]

just revealing all my secrets @exotic glen

[urban storm]

What ilvl zem

[dire spoke]

Zempai-Blackmoore look me up

pin pls

[urban storm]

Can’t at work 😦

[exotic glen]

does your guild private log zempai

[dire spoke]

no, if you have further questions DM me or take it to offtopic because this is nonesense

8|

[exotic glen]

benis

[plain thistle]

zempai is clicker confirmed

[rich fulcrum]

Rly?

[ripe nimbus]

I click somethings

[thick zodiac]

♿ 🆒

[lone junco]

55 cpm. All the things.

[split crane]

Hey has anyone got a weakaura that tracks nightstalker buffs properly? i checked the pinned WA's and none do.

[dire spoke]

do you mean subterfuge?

because there is nothing to track about NS

[split crane]

yea doesnt nightstalker give 50% buff to garrote and rupture used out of stealth?

[smoky bluff]

Subterfuge

And garrote only

[dire spoke]

why would you choose 50% over subterfuge?

[split crane]

cuz it also works with rupture so i can get a 50% full time rupture

[smoky bluff]

Maybe his sims says its better for his char

[plain thistle]

garrote does more damage right now 🤔

[dire spoke]

it doesn't matter what sims more for him, he's not understanding the mechanics

[split crane]

i under stand the mechanics its beside the point im just looking for a weakaura that tracks dots buffed with nightstalker >.<

[plain thistle]

that WA was broken with the pre patch, and no one has created one that work 100% yet

[dire spoke]

you can't buff multiple DoTs with NS

[strange python]

garrote from stealth

vanish rupture

[split crane]

^

its how it use to play in NH im just testing it

[strange python]

I think @civic palm was working on it

[wheat zealot]

Nightstalker buffed rupture right now is trash compared to a subterfuge empowered garrote lmao

But play what you enjoy ig

[strange python]

ns sims pretty close for me

granted subt is still ahead

[smoky bluff]

(go subterfuge, best in its tier)

[nocturne gate]

why is leggy belt already not recommend ?

[strange python]

plus you can like, flight whistle in stealth

belt is overvalued in sims

[wheat zealot]

You could go with nightstalker, but you would want to roll mantle and be using nightstalker buff out of vanish on envenom

[split crane]

yea i know i'm just playing around with it with the garrot and rupture both 50% buffed and toxic blade does great and yes i know sub is better right now but that doesnt mean i should test other stuff

[nocturne gate]

are there numbers connor ?

[wheat zealot]

Theres really no situation currently where you want to empower a rupture with nightstalker

[strange python]

sims dont take into account that most raid dps is frontloaded. If it was just you soloing the boss, then the sim would be accurate

with belt

[nocturne gate]

hm i guess i dont understand it :D

[wheat zealot]

Everyone pops cds on pull hes under 90 percent in less than 30 seconds

Leggo is then useless

[quartz dew]

the belt only buffs you above 90% you spend much longer above 90% in the sim that you do in any real situation

[strange python]

same reason if your raid has a bunch of warrior for execute, bracers are overvalued

the first 10% will go by faster than any other 10%

[dark token]

@plain thistle this one works

[nocturne gate]

ah ok

[dark token]

https://pastebin.com/YpeWdyTk

[strange python]

its not useless, some people use it and it depends on your comp a little

[plain thistle]

thx, will test later, working right now cant test 😃

[dark token]

That's a nightstalker rupture one

With some easy modifications could be garotte

[strange python]

though you can expect the sim to give you like 100-200 overvalued dps

[lone junco]

Warrior whining about execute changes.

Apparently it is rage refund not extra damage.

So that's cool.

[quartz dew]

or on bosses like helya in maw, where the fight ends at 70% just like how bracers are good in EoA where the boss is in execute the entire time

[split crane]

@dark token thx

[dark token]

Belt was godmode on odin in halls dungeon lol

[quartz dew]

oh aye, forgot about him. dies at what, 80?

[dark token]

Ye

[strange python]

anyone know how to make, or where I can find macro to cast blindside if it can be casted, and if not to cast mutilate?

[dark token]

I don't think you can have that specific of conditionals on macros

Not allowed by blizzard

[smoky bluff]

it would make things too ez

[lone junco]

Just use 1 and shift 1?

As in. Should I really be pressing blindside during shoulder window? Provably not

[thorny oasis]

any of you even using blindside? i've stayed away from it

does it work better in beta at 120 ?

[lone junco]

I haven't yet. And my feely craft says that once 2ndary tanks at 120, we won't be able to maintain ep due to low crit, (and low mastery on mp ) And blindside may slide back in with VR

[thorny oasis]

what's VR in beta

same as live ?

refund of 5 nrg on muti ?

[lone junco]

Yeah.

But we will just sim ourselves In circles at that time.

Trinkets and azerite will matter.

[thorny oasis]

well, i'm counting on everyone's help here ... that's for sure ... tips and such 😄

[lone junco]

Ok.

[white temple]

Hi. Why no one in WCL logs is playing bleed spec currently? It doesn't fit the content, it's weak or what?

[lone junco]

It doesn't align well for raid bosses

45sec cd. With 1min vendetta. 2min vanish.

Make it 30sec imo.

[white temple]

While TB you have on 25s

[flat fox]

would anyone be up to looking at my logs for me

[white temple]

Got it, thanks

[strange python]

1 min vendetta?

sign me up

sure @flat fox

[lone junco]

Is it 2? My b

I justs mash it.

Rip 45s

[white temple]

It was less before due to artifact

And boots

Still, I kinda understand now why TB is a superior choice

[lone junco]

And TB hits for damage. So exang is just behind in all time stamps.

Maybe 20s is better.

[glass sphinx]

So I can't seem to find a consistent opener for Sin, everyone seems to have different ones on icy viens, ravenholdt, youtube, etc. Assuming I'm running Elaborate planning, subterfuge and vigor, with toxic blade. Ive been opening with Garrote, build to 4+ combo for rupture, vend, Toxic blade, build to 4+ env. Then when garrote has ~3 secs left, vanish for empowered garrote. Ive seen vendetta has been said to be used on pull, as well different uses/timings of vanish and Im kind of confused on which opener to use. Sorry for the confusion.

[white temple]

I always used Garrote > Mut > Rup > Vend

[lone junco]

Your open sounds fine. I prefer to tb right before the env instead of tb mut env.

[strange python]

vanish garrote when the first one has ~6 seconds left

[lone junco]

I use shoulder so the subterfuge reset is also a good env window.

[strange python]

otherwise that is correct

the confusion lies in having the legendary shoulders + subterfuge

the APL still does vanish at 6 seconds

but most people just vanish asap

[glass sphinx]

Gotcha, thanks all. I know its a basic question, but i tried looking at pins, etc before asking but I kept seeing different answers, and I assumed legos also played a role in ur opener too

[strange python]

which is wrong

you can also sim yourself and look at the sample action sequence

it will show you the opener used for one of the iterations of your sim

but the sample sequence sometimes does weird things because it knows exactly when the fight will end

[hazy sphinx]

@hearty belfry Your weakauras are fucking amazing. Thank you

[strange python]

so it might vanish early if it knows it will get another vanish at the end of the fight

etc

[glass sphinx]

Makes sense, thanks @strange python and all

[strange python]

@lone junco why

if you mut first does it mean you can get 4 env in or something?

[arctic walrus]

Is there any place where I can find rankings of the azerite traits

[strange python]

no

[grim canopy]

after the extreme nerfs should i go feral or enchancement

[plain thistle]

here is where you will find it, when its done

[strange python]

wat

[plain thistle]

just.... wait for BfA launch

[lone junco]

Tb window? If you mut tb env mut env mut(2) env you still only fit 2-3

And the vanish env garrote mut env mut env. May not crit that 3rd env

Just a preference tbh. I don't like doing Tb at 0cps

[rain pewter]

🎷 ♿ Sin rogue coming thru ♿ 🎷

[lone junco]

Enchantment.

[idle tinsel]

@grim canopy nerfs only affect pvp though

[lone junco]

4p20 still bis

[last whale]

PvP is all that matters..

[exotic glen]

nice wrong opinion there

[last whale]

Nice correct opinion. The fuck i care about rogue in PVE. I don't hit guy for 1000 but 800 omigawd

imma not be first on dmg meter

[glass sphinx]

My dudes, just enjoy w/e u enjoy

where is the best channel to ask about W/A questions

[dark token]

Wow pvp in 2018 lol

[shrewd night]

Depends on whatchu need fam

[glass sphinx]

https://i.gyazo.com/418cbe8d43a11d5f2c4b1c353ece589c.png is there a way to remove the black outline around these wa's

[misty topaz]

any tips for aoe in m+? im having a hard time doing aoe

[shrewd night]

My best bet would be to ask in the WA discord, thats a little further than what most people deal with on the reg

@misty topaz Are you using aoe talents?

[misty topaz]

what are the aoe talents?

coz just boosted my rogue

and got to 220

[shrewd night]

...Time to check pins

[supple hearth]

And read tool tips

[misty topaz]

ct for aoe ?

[pale imp]

anyone have a WA that works like the classic CP system that you can move around?

[shrewd night]

@misty topaz Its all explained in the pins

[dire spoke]

[lone junco]

@pale imp unlock your player frame and move it by your feet. Ding. Done with cp and energy

[glass sphinx]

@pale impdo u have elvui? also u can download a preset group of rogue WA and only use the combo bar

[lone junco]

And hps

[pale imp]

yeah using elvui

just so many of the rogue energy and cp wa i don't like

and that cp frame is over the target template

[glass sphinx]

ah

[pale imp]

if you see it like this you se some wa i been testing out, my ui is a mess atm, fixing everything for bfa. having a hard time finding out what i want

[dire spoke]

wadduhek

nice UI

[pale imp]

yeah it is a mess atm, was clean before i started messing around optimizing it

[lament dove]

I'm using nugcombobar addon, it even dings at 5 CP 😛

works with other classes as well

[strange python]

I use nug combo bar

oh jinx

move it anywhere

I don't hear a ding tho

[lone junco]

I use a weak aura trigger for 5/6cps.

[dire spoke]

I have an electric pulse coming from my mouse at full cp

[pale imp]

that nug combo bar just might be what i want

then i can disable everything

[cosmic wren]

Is there a post somewhere detailing sin snapshotting in BFA?

I feel like I am not totally clear on pandemic mechanics vs snapshot mechanics

[shrewd night]

Those are two very different things

Pandemic handles extension of dots, while snapshotting talks about keeping an empowered dot for the full duration

[cosmic wren]

sure, but does everything snapshot now. When I subterfuge garrote I need to not overwrite it

[glass sphinx]

I dont think trinkets/buffs snapshot anymore, but subt will

[cosmic wren]

But when I have a garrote going already, then I can vanish and reapply at 30% and get the full length at the extra power

[glass sphinx]

not since MoP

[shrewd night]

Nothing snapshots, its baked into the mechanic that the empowered garrote lasts for the entire duration

[cosmic wren]

so If my vendetta wears of mid garrote the ticks lower in daamge?

[shrewd night]

Yes

[cosmic wren]

I could have sworn Finalboss said snapshotting was back for rupture and garrote in their BFA video

[shrewd night]

Id like to see their evidence

[cosmic wren]

Not that he is omnipotent

I mean I would too thats what im looking for lol

[shrewd night]

Just test on a dummy