assassination

[fleet whale]

Sin doesn't need to be a burst aoe spec

[civic palm]

You want the option, you don't need it.

[lone junco]

It does. But why would you only want one FOK per 45s

[civic palm]

No adds outside of 1min spawns?

[lone junco]

Take away the hit component of Ct. and I'll be sad. Pb is trash.

[civic palm]

TAKE IT AWAY!!

I mean...

move it to the DoT.

[fleet whale]

The chances of sin getting anything nice are slim to none though due to how broken it is in pvp

also, it's kind of funny going on arena forums seeing everyone wine how cloak, sprint, vanish, etc. are still off the gcd lol

[little marten]

probably get some serious nerf bat action when everyone starts crying like a bitch

[civic palm]

Blizzard doesn't typically nerf due to whining unless there are numbers to back it up.

[honest compass]

The only people crying are the clothies

[fleet whale]

There is one MW monk making like three threads a day on the us forums

about sin rogues

[civic palm]

Like spamming or?

[little marten]

I don't know Miz, I can't think of another class that's been nerfed as many times as rogue has in 14 years

[honest compass]

Tbh disc priest needs a nerf bat

I got nuked by 3 disc priests within 2 seconds of loading in

[fleet whale]

I wouldn't say spamming, just being a major B*$ch

[civic palm]

If Rogue has been constantly nerfed over 14 then we'd be shit, but we're not.

and we've almost never been.

[fleet whale]

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20766876806

[honest compass]

Tbh with the tank agro being what it is

[fleet whale]

There is one of the many threads by that guy

[honest compass]

You think rogues and hunters are god tier atm

[strange python]

you tell 'em, forum dude.

[honest compass]

Stop bitching and start inviting

[strange python]

pre patch is fucked up balancing, what else is new

[fleet whale]

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20766836805 this is another favorite of mine

[little marten]

I just miss the good ole days of one shotting clothies with a barman's shanker

[honest compass]

What about vendetta

[lone junco]

ks memes were pretty good last week.

[honest compass]

Vendetta is on gcd now

[lone junco]

1sec full to dead mage.

[strange python]

vendetta is unimportant according to him

[honest compass]

It’s the essence of sin

[fleet whale]

as is blades and a-rush it seems

but tbf legion was the only expac that vendetta was off the gcd... was nice while it lasted lol

they also forgot vial too

[honest compass]

It’s literally the only ability that we used religiously

Maybe vanish too

But everything else was situational

[fleet whale]

What these forum heroes should be promoting is removing stuff from the gcd

not add more stuff to rogues so they can suffer with everyone else

[honest compass]

Putting the big cooldowns on gcd was a bad idea

[civic palm]

It's fine.

o _o

[honest compass]

I can see like sprint and cloak and vial being on gcd

But vendetta

Cmon man

[fleet whale]

vendetta on the gcd ain't the worst thing in the world, but vanish, cloak, etc would be really bad

[honest compass]

How you gonna do me like that

[fleet whale]

did you play sin before legion?

[honest compass]

Yeah

I didn’t like it then either

[civic palm]

Because it's to fall in line with putting burst CDs on GCD across the game.

[honest compass]

Why even touch gcd :(

[steep obsidian]

defensives on the gcd annoy me alot more then vendetta

[civic palm]

Would be BS to have our ONE button off GCD while everyone else waits but literally 1 moment.

Defensives on GCD would be cancer incarnate.

[fleet whale]

luckily rogues didn't really get hurt on that end

which is why arena heroes are crying on the forums

[steep obsidian]

well that is what they did to tanks miz

and it feels crap

[civic palm]

Yeah well defensives ARE YOU, much like DPS CDs ARE for DPS classes O _O

There are some defensives that should be off GCD though.

for tanks*

[little marten]

whoo hoo, pv que pop finally

[honest compass]

pvq

[civic palm]

Yeah better hate on them.

[royal lantern]

wait, the soak mechanic from the last boss in EoA was magic dmg right? did they changed it into physical?

[civic palm]

Sure they don't get enough of that.

[honest compass]

tbh i dont think anyone gives a shit about peoples sexuality in WoW, we all just wanna play the game

[civic palm]

Yeah but some people are cunts.

[strange python]

kind of ironic considering what you just posted

[civic palm]

Also, LGBTQ+ guilds have been a thing since Vanilla.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[honest compass]

i was talking about liberals @strange python

i could careless if you're gay or not

[strange python]

oh boy

[royal lantern]

go too offtopic with that pls

[civic palm]

Go off the server with that pls O _O

[fleet whale]

a true rogue does not affiliate him or herself with any political faction

[jagged girder]

^^

[strange python]

I serve the horde

[honest compass]

reported

[civic palm]

Baddie.

[fleet whale]

I serve Sithis

[civic palm]

I serve 2B's phat ass.

[honest compass]

[civic palm]

Also yes, extremely #off-topic

[honest compass]

you're off topic

[civic palm]

Yes.

[honest compass]

@royal lantern it's always been physical btw

[twin tartan]

in what way is nightstalker better than Master Assassin?

[strange python]

you can vanish rupture and that entire rupture will do 50% more dmg

[twin tartan]

does rupture only snapshot from NS and not MA?

[strange python]

yes

[twin tartan]

How was stacking Dreadlord's deceit and Hidden Blades nerfed?

[strange python]

it was made additive instead of multiplicative

[twin tartan]

so there's no real reason to stack them anymore :l

[strange python]

maybe on a fight that needs burst aoe

[nimble tartan]

its still a viable combination for fights that warrant the aoe burst but imo for progression purposes thats not really ur strong point as a sin rogue id much rather be st oriented even in fights like that

not gonna be nice log wise but a much better way to play for prog

[twin tartan]

on that note - is sin actually that bad for aoe?

burst aoe sure since we usually run poison bomb and it's rng as hell

but sustained aoe I think sin isn't particularly weak

[zealous lily]

in a real aoe fight you would use CT

it's not bad at all it's actually very good. not quite as much super burst as outlaw but a good showing compared to other rogue specs and other classes in general

[lone junco]

Ct sustains longer than outlaw if you can maintain the garrotes. Blade flurry has gaps.

[quaint hawk]

insignia + sephuz or mantle for BFA leveling? Im thinking mantle for wpvp

[strange python]

mantle is nerfed in pvp

25% crit instead of 100% iirc

[quaint hawk]

wtf

thats whack

[jade oak]

Running Crimson Tempest for high fortified keys. Should it be used on ST at all or just ignored?

[remote wing]

seems a waste of energy to use on st or even 2 targets those cb and energy could be used better elsewhere

[steep obsidian]

last time i looked at a single target sim for crimson tempest it didn't have any ct damage in it sitruc pretty easy to check what the apl is doing right now

there you go a st sim

with ct specced

[civic palm]

I mean you gotta make the APL use CT ya butt 😛

[steep obsidian]

lol

well

i guess im a butt

[civic palm]

hahaha

[steep obsidian]

it seems shit for st though

mah feelycraft

[civic palm]

It is, that's why it's not in the ST APL 😛

[warm parcel]

Ct isnt on st cause its bad

[steep obsidian]

yeah i figured if it was a dps increase to press it the apl would use it

[civic palm]

I think it was still bad in ST before the on-hit got nerfed as well.

[steep obsidian]

i think its bad enough that it wouldnt be a thing in any gear set right for pure st

but handy to have when some adds run in

[jade oak]

Thanks for the info. Didn't even think to look at the current APL. I didn't figure that we would be using it ST but stranger things have happened.

[main blaze]

The total damage of a 5 cp CT is greater than a 5 cp envenom.

So if you dont need to refresh envenom or rupture, use CT

and the mob wont die before the duration falls off

and you dont already have a CT up within pandemic range

[steep obsidian]

do you have a sim that does that?

[cold eagle]

Hey guys, wondering if anyone has a clickable poison reminder WA (that works no matter the game language is set to) and also a pretty/fancy (maybe nice animations) Energy/CP bar WA too ?

[cold eagle]

Anyone ? 😦

[solid nova]

There's plenty on wago.io for that sort of WA

[cold eagle]

Didn't find anything that's up to date for 8.0 though and the ones that are don't look very nice

And for the clickable poison reminder the only one I found works only if my game is in English since the code is all typed out in English instead of spell IDs

[solid nova]

Have you tried the WA discord linked in #rules-and-guides ?

[cold eagle]

Oh I haven't, I'll try there thanks:)

[fiery nest]

@cold eagle also you can sort by date on wago

[cold eagle]

@fiery nest Already tried, nothing interesting that's up to date sadly

[fiery nest]

well interesting is subjective because there are plenty that are up to date

[warm parcel]

You can just change spell name to id?

[stark heart]

changing to id should be language agnostic

[fast hawk]

so i can talk?

yasll got a guild

[solid nova]

If you're referring to voice chat, your mic is muted.

[brisk forge]

Wrong section

About the guild search ii assume u meant

[fast hawk]

im in the wront thing

[dire spoke]

no, everyting above "voice channels" are text based only

if you're looking for a guild read through #recruitment

[warm parcel]

Can we pin this gcd thread

I like it

[civic palm]

Hm?

[dire spoke]

🤷🏻

[warm parcel]

Way up

Earlier

[civic palm]

Oh that.

o _o

[warm parcel]

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20766836805

[solid nova]

I regret clicking it already

[civic palm]

Are there non-tank classes/specs that have defensive/mobility spells on GCD still?

I am sure that there are a few.

[warm parcel]

Sure

Dk has sprints both

Shaman has spirit walk

Also removes roots

So better than sprint

[civic palm]

or worse as you can't choose, but yeah.

[warm parcel]

But forgot to mention those conveniently

[civic palm]

Look we need to get to the soaks FASTER.

[shrewd pine]

Rogues are the druid of this expac, randomly forgot to prune them when pruning everyone else.

how stupid is this dude?

[fast hawk]

so uh wheres a guild i can join

[devout jolt]

boy that was a fun morning read with my Tea.

[fast hawk]

which one

[cold eagle]

@warm parcel Back to the clickable WA thing from before for poisons, I know how to change spell name to id number in triggers and stuff, but when it comes to clickable WA there lua code and I don't know how to operate around that at all

[warm parcel]

You can just open the editor and find where the aura name is

[cold eagle]

I tried, it ended up just messing the WA all up there must be some more detailed stuff I don't know how to make work

[warm parcel]

But if youve never opened one maybe might take a few moments

So

Auras are usually after auraname="aurahere" right?

That would have to be changed to auraid="idhere" if I were to guess quickly

Or you can just change the name to your language

Shouls work too

[cold eagle]

Yeah I tried but there most be some stuff in the code language I don't understand that makes it not work somehow

Can I link the wago link here so maybe you can check to see what I mean ?

[warm parcel]

Yeah. There could be another name check in a different tab

[strange python]

LuL

[warm parcel]

Well cant at work

[strange python]

At the gcd thread bwhahahaha

[cold eagle]

Ah.. right

[warm parcel]

But did you ask in the wa help channel in the wa discord

[cold eagle]

I did, nobody answered, kinda skipped over what I asked

[warm parcel]

Should try again, when noone is in the middle of convo

[cold eagle]

So I kinda went with something I prefered less as a placeholder for now

Nobody was in middle of convo xd my question stayed up there for atleast an hour and someone else just asked something and they cruised over mine :/

[warm parcel]

Oh

Well

[fiery nest]

honestly they can keep everything on the gcd on that post but put blade flurry off gcd and its fine.

[wooden patrol]

Hey guys, I am new to wow and want to start leveling a Rogue but I can not decide between Outlaw Subtlety and Assasin can someone explain the main difference of these talents ? I am planning to do some raids not really hardcore and like world PVP a lot.

[weak isle]

look guides

play all

see which one you like the most

play that one

[solid nova]

@wooden patrol Posting your question in 1 channel is more than enough.

[wooden patrol]

@solid nova excuse me I tought maybe people really stick to their channel

[solid nova]

For such a broad question, copy and pasting down every channel isn't necessary

As you'll find you'll get 3 answers of a very similar nature

[dire spoke]

no no no, all 13k people are in one channel

(:

[crude iron]

@fiery nest having vendetta on gcd feels clunky af tho

pretty often found myself with vendetta unused when i thought i triggered it but gcd was in the way

lol im not even mad about that 😄 just wanted to chime in because he said blade furry off gcd

but it feels kinda weird now but thats more because off the change.. once you get used to it its probably fine

[grim sable]

if I'm running Mantle, does Garotte snapshot with both Vendetta and Stealth for the Subterfuge bonus?

so I open from stealth with vendetta garotte and then vanish at the 6 seconds of garotte remaining and get two fully empowered garottes

[shrewd night]

I dont know what you are asking. Are you asking about the subterfuge bonus or mantle?

[grim sable]

both

[shrewd night]

a) you get subterfuge bonus for every garrote you use from stealth

b) mantle does not snapshot

[exotic glen]

only subterfuge and nightstalker snapshot their effects

we dont have other snapshots i think

[shrewd night]

Imagine using NS rupture with perma crit

[exotic glen]

monkaS

[grim sable]

so the first 5 seconds of the subterfuge garotte autocrit and the next 13 are just down to crit chance?

got it

[exotic glen]

yes thats what we are saying

[grim sable]

👍

[shrewd night]

I never understood using mantle and subterfuge together, but Im a dumbo so theres that

[exotic glen]

i guess

in cases where you play shoulders, you dont play subterfuge

and vice versa

[shrewd night]

That would be my guess but uh 🤷

but why

is garrote that giga?

but if garrote is giga, why use shoulders

my head is imploding aaaaaaaah

[lone junco]

I play shoulder bracer. Subterfuge Pb.

[exotic glen]

but sephuz

😦

[lone junco]

The garrote ticks crit up to 4K per. With haste you see ticks at 1.1 s apart.

That's raid.

[shrewd night]

what argo said

[grim sable]

shoulders sim highest for me with NS and subt, subt sims higher than NS

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lone junco]

Shoulder sephuz. M+. For now.

My ns and subt. Are == to the single digit.

And subterfuge is impossible for me to mess up.

[grim sable]

I get 25dps with subt

shit matters yo

[lone junco]

And with shoulder. Vanish env garrote mut env mut

No need cry over ns.

[grim sable]

what, no

[lone junco]

I didn't ask a question.

[grim sable]

vanish garotte mut env mut env

[lone junco]

I vanish with cps.

[grim sable]

need max crit time on that garotte

[lone junco]

At least both of my env crits. And on tb.

[dire spoke]

[lone junco]

Is that blob playing the drums?

[vernal atlas]

I love it, when senpai is using vanish

[lone junco]

:angerydrum:

[vernal atlas]

kiyaaaaaa

[barren wharf]

what 2nd leggo with shoulders would you guys recommend for an EoA

m+

[cosmic wren]

Insignia

[heavy chasm]

Legs 😏

[zenith salmon]

why is every elvui and weakaura outdated, i'm slowly going insane

[dire spoke]

because it's 8.0 and not everybody is maintaining their setup on a free basis

maybe

[quick ice]

It's almost like we just had a massive game-changing patch or something... 😀

[warm parcel]

Just write a new one

[dire spoke]

no no no, people who post weakauras are obliged to keep them up to date

[vernal atlas]

creating your own WA > All

you could also use an outdated WA and simply fix it up

[zenith salmon]

ive only been playing for 3 weeks and played with default ui until today

so everything is super confusing

[vernal atlas]

I do understand that. but you will get out of that state pretty quickly

[carmine valve]

I understand Outlaw are quite strong in big aoe with blade flurry and Sub is good at prio dmg, Is there anything Sin brings that makes them strong? I mean is it Single target or cleave they dominate?

[warm parcel]

We have crimson tempest

[carmine valve]

I thought it was nerfed to shit

[grim sable]

speaking of WAs, is anyone aware of one that tracks all dots on multiple enemies?

[quick ice]

Cripple poison is one of the better aoe slows still isn't it?

[warm parcel]

It is

[carmine valve]

I think people are utilizing Fmages for 65%

[quick ice]

@grim sable probably better off using nameplates

[warm parcel]

Frost magea have it good too

[nimble hazel]

Their kit is really good for council fights as well

Hard to say until the final tuning though

[dusty roost]

CT wasn't nerfed, you might be confusing it with Flying Daggers

[warm parcel]

Ct was

Slightly

[carmine valve]

Ok I thought CT was nerfed cause it was prioritized even more than rupture at some point

[quick ice]

Slightly down when they moved it to less front loaded

[warm parcel]

Still is on aoe

[carmine valve]

or I think envenom, Think u wanna do rupture for energy regain regardless

[warm parcel]

Sure. After ct is up and running

Env isnt that important in aoe

[dusty roost]

Sorry, hidden blades**

[carmine valve]

so u use night stalker for 50% extra dmg on CT right?

in m+?

[nimble hazel]

Subterfuge is way too good to pass imo

[warm parcel]

You can if you spec into it

[elfin fossil]

Yeah, subter'

[quick ice]

I'd go subterfuge for garrotes on opener

[nimble hazel]

Unless you have giant aoe fests

[elfin fossil]

that garrote dmg is insane

[carmine valve]

and garrote silence effect that can only be thrown out of stealth also reduce enemy dmg right? does it work on bosses?

[quick ice]

Don't think it works on bosses

[warm parcel]

If boss is silenceable

[nimble hazel]

Only on actually silenced targets

[warm parcel]

Is that even a word

[quick ice]

I think it is, even if my phone keyboard disagrees

[thorny oasis]

it's a new word thanks to wow - chalk it up as one

i'm buying it

[quick ice]

I don't think there are many silenceable bosses out there

[warm parcel]

Prolly not

Mainly meant that only reduces dmg if silence works

[urban storm]

Sin supposed to be one of the better melee specs at 120 right? I played it for basically all of legion and don’t really want to change cuz I’m stubborn

[elfin fossil]

Noone knows

[quick ice]

It might be

It might not be

[warm parcel]

!8ball

[nimble hazel]

Only tuning will tell

[urban storm]

True

[quick ice]

🎱

[elfin fossil]

I mean

[nimble hazel]

Its kit is really good though

[elfin fossil]

From a defensive standpoint we're quite solid

[nimble hazel]

We lost basically nothing

[elfin fossil]

But dmg wise? Noone knows.

[carmine valve]

Sin lost their shield wall thru crimson vial

[urban storm]

I was outlaw up until they destroyed it the week before EN

[carmine valve]

it was one of the thing that gave them edge over other rogue spec

[urban storm]

and stayed sin the entire rest of expac cuz I didn’t like playing sub, despite its superiority

[nimble hazel]

Sub was pretty crap until the rework

Well, at least not as good as sin

[carmine valve]

Sub now is super easy to play

after 8.0

[elfin fossil]

I mean, atleast one rogue spec will be comepletely viable for high end raiding

[thorny oasis]

wait, what shield wall

[elfin fossil]

The % dmg reduce from crimson

[quick ice]

24% DR

[thorny oasis]

oh must be pve

[nimble hazel]

Was a artifact trait

[urban storm]

Yea that was great

[elfin fossil]

Pretty OP tho

[thorny oasis]

ohhhhh snap already forgot

[urban storm]

Rogue survivability will likely prevent me from ever playing a different melee class as my main

[nimble hazel]

Feint + cv was fun

Facetanking warrior burst

[elfin fossil]

I mean our surv took a hit in BFA, but it's still ALOT better than alot of classes

[thorny oasis]

yeah and feint with elusiveness + cv + valeera

QQ

got spoiled for a while

[lone junco]

@urban storm if you want someone to predict the future, I can.

[urban storm]

Plz do!

With my luck sin will be great and then they nerf the hell out of it right before raid release

[scarlet birch]

Servers up?

[lone junco]

Assassin will be good for ST raid bosses due to vendetta. They will be pretty great for 2 or 3T fights. But lack in target swapping. They dont have personal cds to hard swap a prio add.
Outlaw has good movement and high cleave in bursts. They can bte/ps from ranged when running out/in, and with the right traits, they might not be garbage. They can target swap with the best of them if using mark.
Sub has good buffs for target swapping and ST tunneling.

All 3 will be decent defensively, but tuning will matter.

Expect to swap from spec to spec based on fight needs.

🔮

[urban storm]

❤

Blizz before raid: rogue op, rogue class removed from game

[lone junco]

please do. I can finally quit this game then.

[unreal coyote]

i wish that would actually hold true

but the majority doesnt really want that -spec swapping per fight

so it wont be a reality in the end

[lone junco]

"it depends."

[unreal coyote]

its a nice thought though

[urban storm]

Lol

Yea I won’t be swapping

I’m gonna be much more casual this time around

[lone junco]

doesnt mean I dont have swords and daggers

[unreal coyote]

and with weapons coming back

its more impractical

[lone junco]

pssh.

[unreal coyote]

i mean hey we still have to swap specs to cleave like some classes just get for free

and then we probably will still lose on ST too

because reasons

[lone junco]

it depends on where the pinch points are in the fight. whether enrage or adds or adds with enrage.

play just one, play all 3, play 1 spec with 3 azerite setups. I dont care. Im flexible and play around my gear at that time.

[icy agate]

is crimson vial on the gcd?

[lone junco]

why does that matter? you going to put it in a macro?

[icy agate]

the fuck?

[lone junco]

you had a question, i had a question? You press vial when you are missing hps.

[scenic nimbus]

yes it is @icy agate

don't be sarci, just answer his simple question. No need to be a smart ass

[icy agate]

thank you Lou

[scenic nimbus]

no worries

[lone junco]

really though, how could the play style change either way unless you are putting it in a macro

its a non rotational button.

[icy agate]

you really could do with dropping the e from your name

[lone junco]

nah im good

[icy agate]

goode*

and it would allow you to use it straight after a mutilate

[lone junco]

how would the play change either way?

[icy agate]

without waiting for gcd

this is basic stuff

[lone junco]

it used to have an defensive mechinism

[icy agate]

was a really simple question

[lone junco]

now you just heal

you wont delay the vial when you need a heal will you?

[scenic nimbus]

just ignore him @icy agate

[icy agate]

if it was on gcd you would be delayed until you can use it after using an ability

have you played this game?

[lone junco]

ah. Ill just put it in the 3 sec of pooling between other actions

after an ability. reminds me of hpal. Assassin isnt that fast.

its what 30% waiting?

[hollow raptor]

30% thinking 😛

[lone junco]

im not even trolling for the sake of trolling. I dont bother with that. I honestly was wondering if I had been using vial wrong for 2 years. answer is no. I will continue to hit it when I need a heal,

after the open you stand around reading a book between actions

[icy agate]

you wouldn't be able to 'hit it when you need a heal' if it was on the gcd

how do you turn a simple question into an argument

[lone junco]

im not arguing, I asked if you would put it on a macro. calm yourself.

[hollow raptor]

Cause waiting 0.5 second is too much .. 💤

[icy agate]

0.5s could obviously be the difference between surviving or not

[lone junco]

it is a trickle heal

hit it 2 sec before that

[scenic nimbus]

it really was a simple yes or no answer to his question lol

[quartz depot]

with a shitty heal over 6 seconds?

doubt it

if it was insta then probably ye

[keen inlet]

Unless stacked with some other defensive

p.much

[quartz depot]

you're better off using a health pot or a healthstone if you're in danger of dying

[lone junco]

I have healpot and healthstone bound to the same macro. cause im alch and sometimes dont have the big pots. but vial.

anyway. Im goode. thanks for playing.

[icy agate]

lmao why are you talking about macros

it was a question if it was on the gcd for it if is responsive and used right away and not affecting fluidity

[lone junco]

ok

[icy agate]

lou answered it

without a tirade of 'why does it matter reee'

[scenic nimbus]

you've got a screw loose bud haha

[lone junco]

nah.

[icy agate]

seriously is this your normal social interaction?

[lone junco]

why was that weird?

[icy agate]

answering a yes/no question with a question on the validity of a simple question and requesting reasoning on why it was asked

[lone junco]

"how would game play change either way"

w/e

[austere bear]

🍿

[drifting wagon]

Take it to pms jesus no one cares about the semantics

[zealous lily]

yes it is on the gcd

[lone junco]

Ok Ken Bone.

[thorny oasis]

yes on gcd cuz i keep missing it lol

[narrow comet]

📌

[lone junco]

ok, so its on the gcd now?

[zealous lily]

it matters cause maybe you are stabbing something and you need to heal so you have to take a short stabbing break

[lone junco]

or not.

[zealous lily]

you can also just look at the icon while you are using another ability to see if it is on the gcd or not

[icy agate]

lou answered 5mins ago noobe

[zealous lily]

some things are still confusing e.g. orc racial is off gcd but arcane torrent is on gcd

[lone junco]

cause after i mut, i could wait like 3 sec before next mut, or put the vial right after the second mut, or hit it before mut, ahh. I just want the heals.

[icy agate]

you were too busy being argumentative to even read what you were arguing about

[lone junco]

I dont trust strangers.

sry

but. I will take this into advisement. and hit vial when I need hps.

and not delay around before or after a mut

[thorny oasis]

crimson vial is now on gcd - plz advise ! xD

[lone junco]

because the flow of assassin is very slow, and unless I cap E, or drop bleeds, I have a weeks worth of time to hit vials.

that was me being silly

no offense lou. youre probably right. or not. but I appreciate your swift answer to his question.

[thorny oasis]

i appreciate a clean shaven taco but it doesn't always happen - but it doesn't mean my intention is to macro it

[lone junco]

🌮

[thorny oasis]

lel have a good day fellow rogz

[unreal coyote]

what did i come back to?

[lone junco]

junk

[zealous lily]

you'll like never want to macro heal pot healthstone and crimson vial tho

[thorny oasis]

time to go macro a gillette into my taco rotation... are those on gcd too ?

[icy agate]

i don't think a single person even proposed macroing crimson vial

[zealous lily]

yeah

[icy agate]

that would be dumb

[lone junco]

thats what I thought. I wouldnt ever want to macro vial to anything. sounded weird. so GCD on vial doesnt really matter to me. I hit it when I need it, and figured I had missed 1 gcd over the past 2 years cause I was doing something wrong.

could have been the diff between a 98 and a 98.1 parse. :eeek:

so many gcd wasted 😦

I do the same with cloak. I hit it, when I need it. maybe I should delay it around my muts.

[thick zodiac]

[icy agate]

wouldn't affect % parses as all would be affected the same 😄

[lone junco]

i mean, if I lived and someone else died. amirite

back to important things

like 4p20 and how awesome it is right now.

[oblique sky]

where can i see the talents for AoE and ST?

[lone junco]

lol

jesus

list may be out of date.

but good talk.

[narrow field]

So is it on the god it not

Gcd

[wild ledge]

YES

[icy agate]

why does it matter? you going to put it in a macro?

[lone junco]

great question

I like how you think. very pragmatic.

[icy agate]

it matters because how else am i going to see the animation that they put hard work into ~ion

[lone junco]

will make it easier to get a nice screenshot with your twitter cam

think of the Trials

[thorny oasis]

Noobe: I bet you're nowhere near as nub as me... i'm so nub that i can't afford gaming keyboard/mouse and use all my Fn keys for my abilities

and F12 is my healing potion... i have so many screenshots of me dying

guess what's next to F12

[lone junco]

that's fun. moment of death shots

[thorny oasis]

it was supposed to make you lel and cry at the same time

[lone junco]

it worked. haha 😭

12 is feint, Shift 12 is vial. Ctrl 12 is Hpot/Booger.

[thorny oasis]

i want a naga

QQ

[lone junco]

its a good spot for oh shit buttons.

i got a cheap knockoff on amazon, but my thumb cant find the middle.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FNKMVUO/

[thorny oasis]

not bad, weighted too

[lone junco]

but ive used the naga brand for 8-10yrs. so It's going to be hard to change.

[thorny oasis]

yeah razer is OP but nice

[lone junco]

naga dies a few times a night. so i have to unplug/plug mid combat.

so i have a backup mouse next to it.

[thorny oasis]

i was looking at the tecknet cheapo brand but i'm not sure if anyone here is using it

[lone junco]

a few people i know use this

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Gaming-SCIMITAR-Mechanical-Buttons/dp/B013KK9JOO

or variant of

[thorny oasis]

i think i like the other one better cuz of the edged buttons, easier to feel imo

[lone junco]

naga is a -- line on the 5 key. w/e. probably a good time to switch tho. raids are a month + out.

[thorny oasis]

one of these are even more of a must with pvp... granted a good mouse won't make a baddie - good

lel

[lone junco]

I needed back with pally. too many buttons: Heal offensive defensive self, defensive team.

but rogue is like 7 keys

with a few shift mods.

[thorny oasis]

yeah i just cant get used to wasd moving... always used mouse... modifiers, forget it

im too old lol

[strange python]

ditch the keyboard bind everything to mouse

[thorny oasis]

xD

[gray saddle]

you guys running crimson tempest for M+ or HB with cloak

[strange python]

Hope I get to brutally murder Malfurion today.

crimson tempest

with sephuz

👌

[gray saddle]

and shoulders I guess as other leggo

or is bracer best for fortified weekd

[brittle ferry]

are we allowed to copy pins and post them in other discords?

[lone junco]

@thorny oasis i only use wasd on the left hand, left control for voice, and shift for mods. (occasionally 1 ,because the mouse is stuck). rest on right hand. its pretty easy there esp since the gcds. 1 2 5 1 1 Shift Middle, 4 1 4 1 4

etc

[strange python]

no pins are copyrighted and the fbi will come to your doorstep

[lone junco]

but it would probably take a few weeks to get used to a thumb mouse

[brittle ferry]

im taking that was sarcasm? lol

[gray saddle]

... its not copyrighted material mate

[strange python]

@gray saddle I use bracers, shoulders seem like a waste when you open with 3 garrotes

[brittle ferry]

okay just making sure that was okay lol

[strange python]

yea go ahead

[lone junco]

im still using shoulders but w/e

[brittle ferry]

thanks!

[lone junco]

M+ is a blend now. some cleave some st. same gear.

could prob get away with bracer sephuz

[strange python]

I might use shoulders with how quickly bosses die

[lone junco]

my live raid best sim is bracer belt. but for reasons, I play shoulder bracer.

[strange python]

bracers sephuz is my highest simming setup on st so I cba so im just lazy

era

[sterile marten]

I like the logitech g600

over naga

[strange python]

I guess I had an aneurysm while typing that.

[lone junco]

g500 is my backup mouse.

not a huge fan, but it clicks when i point and press the clicker

so it is a successful mouse

[sterile marten]

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Gaming-Backlit-Programmable-Buttons/dp/B0086UK7IQ

g600 i meant

[thorny oasis]

i got one of those g's from a buddy as a hand-me-down and it died on me within 2 months QQ

but those buttons are boss

[sterile marten]

mine still going strong for 3 years

[lone junco]

45$ is about right.

buttons look good.

finger feel is important

[sterile marten]

they are.

[thorny oasis]

yeah i loved those relief'd buttons

and the dips

guess i'll have to save up

[sterile marten]

I'm eventually gonna get this for fps https://finalmouse.com/ultralightphantom.php

tried it at my friends house

literally feels like im not using a mouse

[thorny oasis]

let's see

[sterile marten]

Just my hand moving

[thorny oasis]

hmmm no extra buttons ?

[sterile marten]

just for fps

not for mmo

[thorny oasis]

ohhh duh

sweet honeycomb look tho

[stable sapphire]

The only mouse worth using is

https://zowie.benq.com/en/product/mouse/ec/ec2-a.html

its the godmouse

[sterile marten]

nah I used to use that

dont like the texture

the coating

on the mouse

atm I use g pro

[thick zodiac]

Other then 1 or 2 side buttons I can't understand why people think nagas are good

[thorny oasis]

i wouldnt know

so im open for tips on that cuz i do need to get something soon 😃

[sterile marten]

mmo mice are nice for mmo's tbh snake

[thorny oasis]

my azz is poor af

[sterile marten]

not really needed for other games but it's nice to have extra keybinds at your thumb

[thick zodiac]

There's a whole keyboard

[thorny oasis]

i spent all my loot on a 24" benq 2411z

the rest sux

[lone junco]

move left stab right. its up to you. click all your skills and get a 100pct parse, bravo @dire spoke

clickers united

[wheat zealot]

Real skill is clicking spells out of the book and getting R1

[thick zodiac]

Real skill is with controller

[strange python]

that honeycomb! imagine trying to clean it...

[sterile marten]

vacuum

[strange python]

👀

[lone junco]

@wheat zealot have you seen a zempai stream?

his clicking is absurd. good luck keeping up with the mouse for sure.

[strange python]

What is the best opener for pvp atm ?

[wheat zealot]

I will check him out later lol

[stable sapphire]

the one where you do a lot of damage while they are stunned

[lone junco]

subterfuge is best right now. so use that a lot.

[stable sapphire]

thats quite a nice pvp opener

[lone junco]

in packs try to garrote garrote garrote.

[wheat zealot]

Always blows my mind how people click and perform at a high level

[lone junco]

1+cp Env to spread that creeping env disease. its pretty funny how strong that is.

1v1 is diff tho.

[thick zodiac]

Master assassin or whatever is pretty good for offennsive vanishs

[lone junco]

nah., garrote Subterfuge is really strong.

like top damage strong.

[strange python]

it's okay at 120 but now it's meh

I still don't see why Nightstalker sims so close for me

[lone junco]

3t sims are diff.

[dire spoke]

[royal lantern]

i gues master assassin will be strong at the end of bfa

[dire spoke]

why?

[royal lantern]

other secondary stats are higher and stuff

[lone junco]

@dire spoke 👀

[thick zodiac]

4p then toxic blade, vanish ,envenom,mfd,envenom . Super strong with master assassin

[dire spoke]

@lone junco don't tell everybody that clicking adds 15% damage to all abilities

[lone junco]

secret is safe with me.

[strange python]

i admit

[lone junco]

and these 16,000 people

[strange python]

I click my interrupt

[dire spoke]

okay gud

[royal lantern]

clicking? /cast ´´skillname´´ is a 25%dps increase!

[lone junco]

I click pots and drums. and kite.

i saw that warlock video where he typed a whole fight

/cast agony

etc

[strange python]

haha, guess affliction doesnt have to do much

[lone junco]

he was busy for sure.

[royal lantern]

/cast Shroud of Concealment...wait guys, i think i made a typo!

[lone junco]

and they all died.

[icy agate]

/run RunMacro('Kick')

[dire spoke]

./giphy poop

[royal lantern]

well, higher APM for sure with that

[lone junco]

i got you don

[thick zodiac]

[sacred ore]

hey guys can i macro my orc skill with vandetta or is it gcd?

[zealous lily]

it's off gcd.

[exotic glen]

why the hell dont you just try it and see?

[serene basin]

Argonic, we dont do that here

[lone junco]

What's the cd on orc skill?

[exotic glen]

oh ok

carry on

[serene basin]

Noobe, 2 mns

[lone junco]

Neat. Good timing. Carry on.

I was expecting 45 sec so it lined with nothing.

[serene basin]

d be like kingsbane

hmm, should i use the blindside proc with 4 cp's?

or it might waste a cp?

[lone junco]

I haven't even spec to bs yet. One day maybe Prob when crit tanks and ep uptime drops to 25%

[serene basin]

hm

seems fair

[sacred ore]

Master poisoner or elaborate planning? For pve. Without bonus sets

[shrewd night]

Sim yourself.

[sacred ore]

Aw yea xD

When i always sim should i choose nightly build?

[dire spoke]

depends what you want, weekly is live - nightly may have changes included already which aren't live on your server yet

[thorny oasis]

sigh @cerulean trenchuerfang

[dire spoke]

but yes most of the time nightly is the best choice

(iirc)

[sacred ore]

iirc?

[lone junco]

If I recall (For me)

I'm old tho. Could be a meme thing by now.

[dire spoke]

if I recall correctly

[lone junco]

Oh that makes more sense.

[fringe ginkgo]

https://i.imgur.com/6z97TBs.png

feelsbadman

[lone junco]

Prob bis now.

[crystal seal]

im new as assasin rogue and im wondering which build too use for m+ ?

[lone junco]

Ep/ subterfuge/Vig/prey/ cheat death/ tb. Ct.

It's in the channel header.

The noob guide.

[crystal seal]

thc

thx

[lone junco]

@fringe ginkgo check the hero damage chart for 3T. That trinket is rather impressive.

[fringe ginkgo]

lol

[lone junco]

I lolled at least.

[fast nacelle]

@marble hemlock yo m8

saw you play with t20 4p in m+

smart boi

[marble hemlock]

yeah

its big

garrote all the things

[fast nacelle]

guessing without t21 4p

you just go straight into CT

and ruptures?

[marble hemlock]

garrote everything

maintain ct/envenom

fuck rupture

garrote is 7k dmg per use, 5cp rupture is 5.5k LUL

[fast nacelle]

omegalul

[marble hemlock]

if its <5mobs you can rupture, above that you get more use out of spamming CT

[fast nacelle]

yeah played without rup aswell most of the time

but i didnt play higher keys so

[marble hemlock]

dont really need it

garrote provides all the energy you need

and does all the damage

and procs sephuz

[fast nacelle]

ye

bracer sephuz is lit

for m+

[marble hemlock]

yup

[crude hatch]

woah

[marble hemlock]

does some good damage per tick

[dense warren]

I was thinking which legendary I should take as first

getting 1000 essence

Syphon ?

[lone junco]

Shoulder imo. But what do I know.

[fast nacelle]

if you play all 3 specs

go with mantle + insignia

its good for all 3 specs

if you play just one it depends

[lone junco]

Specifically for leveling. It will get In The way of azerite. But shoulder is >> the traits.

[urban storm]

It’s only five levels anyways

[tropic osprey]

A little late to the naga mouse discussion, but i just want to say that last year, i bought a naga, to use the bindings for pvp. So i would have a1 a2 and a3 macros on the mouse for kick, kidney and shadowstep etc..

I tryede really hard for alot of games to get used to it.. but about 2 months later, i switch back to my stealseries sensei, because it is alot more precise/accurate then the naga.. and with the classes getting more simple to play and less spells, there should be more keyboard binding free.. i personally use shift modify for every buttom and ctrl for some :)

[grizzled panther]

I love the Sensei. Used it for whole Legion, still working

[tropic osprey]

Ive used 1 sensei for 5 years now.. working perfect and only visual dmg :)

Most of my gear is steelseries :)

[grizzled panther]

I got a good mix of Razer / Steelseries but I find Steelseries gear more durable

[tropic osprey]

Year, razor feels cheap imo

Thou its not

[urban storm]

I used Logitech for a long time, have steelseries now and I like it

[crude hatch]

i bought a 310 the other day

my sensei died

[tropic osprey]

Rip

[grizzled panther]

F

[urban storm]

Taken out of context that line is very sad

Lol

[crude hatch]

yeah it looks weird :p

[urban storm]

My sensei died so I went to the store and bought a new one

[tropic osprey]

A moment of garrote for the fallen sensei

[urban storm]

Except replace going to the store with opening amazon in a browser tab

[lone junco]

🥕

[dire spoke]

I'm here

[soft wharf]

i feel like im doing something wrong, my sim dps is like 3-400 higher than im actually pulling on ST boss

im always keeping rupture and garrote up, refreshing them

keeping envenom up 80+% of the time depending on combo points and energy available

shrug

[dire spoke]

let me get my crystal ball

[tranquil sedge]

Ping?

[solid nova]

Can't review your rotation properly based on just your say so. Post some logs it'll be more clear

[royal lantern]

bad luck with crits, bad trinket procs etc...can also happen

[dire spoke]

m e c h a n i c s

[slow mortar]

@gusty kestrel have you looked at Publix's WA set?

[lone junco]

@soft wharf log review time.

[exotic glen]

@soft wharf logs or we cant help

noobe ❤

[lone junco]

You can take it. I'm on my phone. In exile.

Yeah. I would never ever support ui stuff. Hard pass. Use miz? Y/n Ok. That's the end of my recommendations.

[slow mortar]

ah, kk
i usually dont keep someones import for long til i alter it to how i like it

was thinking of starting from scratch and making one anchored to the personal resource display

[lone junco]

Personal resource is weird for me. Doesn't it float with the camera

[slow mortar]

yahhhh. and if you get thrown around (tillers farm whipping vine) it goes crazy

[lone junco]

Unlock player frame. All your cps and e are all there.

Good talk.

[inland thunder]

Does EP snapshot garotte and rupture?

[strange python]

no.

[inland thunder]

lol.

here I was trying to snapshot that shit in EP windows, now I realize that's stupid lol

[lone junco]

Yeah. Clipping Ep is best. So your env lands in Ep and extends the buff without capping E or dropping bleeds.

Stupid phone.

[dire spoke]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/365/818/183.jpg

[strange python]

is that lord farquad

[frail gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/424442586678165506/473906544463839243/unknown.png

[thorny oasis]

must be nice 😦 gratz tho ! 😄

[frail gate]

My kingslayers are 259... so idk how theyre a 120% upgrade

[thorny oasis]

geez

best proc i got was 215 and my kings are a lowly 217

[frail gate]

Problem is kingslayers count as 2 weps so unless I use the 250 main hand and 210 offhand

[quick egret]

Best legendaries for BFA for 'sin??

[strange python]

haste

kingslayers are crit mastery

[quick egret]

Is sephyrs good?

[strange python]

lots of competitive legendaries right now

[thorny oasis]

i use sephuz/neck for pvp but legos are pref really

wrist + shoulder/sephuz seem to be pop in pve

[quick egret]

Thanks! Need to collect wakening essence

[thorny oasis]

i should say wrist or shoulder + sephuz

[strange python]

mantle, insignia, sephuz, bracers

even crucible ring.

[thorny oasis]

ya

[quick egret]

ok thank you!

[unreal coyote]

its pre patch none of it matters XD

[thorny oasis]

yeah i'm assuming everyone's aware but you're right, never know 😃

[visual mist]

anybody got some wa

my old ones stopped working a while ago

[strange python]

pins

[unreal coyote]

https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m

this is not in the pins but should be

love his WAs

[visual mist]

one more question

is there some macro so i can use toxic blade on same button as mut

so i don't have to think about it?

[strange python]

do you mean blindside?

either way the answer is no

[visual mist]

kay

[unreal coyote]

devlin is a super nice guy too

[visual mist]

should i raid with blindside?

[unreal coyote]

hes around to help with the WAs if you msg him

thank you for pinning them 😄

[visual mist]

got the wa working

[unreal coyote]

they work for sub too @gusty kestrel

[visual mist]

blindside is better then master poison?

[unreal coyote]

now or bfa?

[strange python]

you can sim it but blindside is underwhelming at 110

but at 120 it's competitive

with the loss of tier 21 and different stat scaling

master poisoner loses value and EP is harder to maintain.

[visual mist]

now

i got shit gear

[unreal coyote]

i welcome another button to press

ep boring as shit

[visual mist]

yeah and no :p

I already put it on my action bar to take space for it when it comes :p

[unreal coyote]

same lol

[strange python]

ep is fun

looks dull on paper but definitely engaging gameplay

[visual mist]

lookk at that trinkt lol

[dire spoke]

🤷🏻 got it on bank, can make a screenshot too

[vocal wave]

If I'm simming for short M+ fights on addcleave

What's the best time to sim for?

1 min tops?

Or even, is it worth simming for something like that?

[dire spoke]

20s

40s if you're expecting high-key

imo

[vocal wave]

Cheers

[lone junco]

Ilvl 209, I have one as well.

@vocal wave I don't do hectic add cleave. The mob timings are fixed. I use 8mob patchwerk. 20s. 4mob 40 sec. and 1 mob 2 min.

But you can see the damage graphs I the HTML output to verify id the hectic add cleave is functioning as you expect.

[trim bobcat]

any word on how azerite traits rank up?

[lone junco]

Not yet.

[trim bobcat]

wondering how good engineering traits will be vs. what we get normally

[vocal wave]

I'm trying to get into Simming, and using SimC to sim every single talent for every single scenario so I can see myself 9not that I don't trust anyone else, but because I'd like to genuinely know

[lone junco]

Outlaw pistol trait is looking I be very good Don't know about sin yet.

@vocal wave

1. Raidbots is great. Pay them if you can.

2. Simc addon is a must.

3. Pawn weights are cool but don't account for trinkets. Or effects like melandrus.

4. You can (should) disable bloodlust for the trash sims.

And it's really neat to (I think). Max out the 20sec trash pulls. 5 mob - 50 mob. Something can pump out the dmg.

[vocal wave]

I'm using RaidBots atm, got premium and set it all up for my guild atm. So using that heavily. The issue is I cannot sim every single talent option, which I KNOW would be long, but I'd just liek to put them all in into one massive sim, and then sim separately for patchwerk, adds, heavy movement, so on so on

Thinking I may need to use simulationCraft for that though

[lone junco]

So far I've seen 80k trash in a single bfa pull. I'm looking forward to them.

[zealous lily]

caleb you can input azerite traits manually into SimC

and then compare sims

[lone junco]

You can do that with copy profiles. But the middle rows are trash. And also the stat weights for each build vary too much to just mush them all in under the same gear profile.

[vocal wave]

That makes sense I guess

[lone junco]

Ep. 39,27,35
Mp . 25,22,52

[vocal wave]

But I can use my current gear as an idea of where I could be, no?

[lone junco]

Best bet it to make a smart decision and start from there. Intuition first.

Aka ask me.

Can't just mush random gear in a marine.

Top gear is nice tho

Esp when comparing 9 trinket combos

[vocal wave]

Well, you'll surely never be able to get the perfect gear and stat balance to sim perfectly, right?

[lone junco]

I did for legion.

[zealous lily]

These are the codes for powers: https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/bfa-dev/engine/dbc/generated/azerite.inc

[vocal wave]

So if I were to try and push as much as I could for my specific gear, could I not use my current gear as a start?

[lone junco]

But we didn't have changes for a while.

[zealous lily]

so manually change those up and do like top gear with raidbots

i might go through on my beta character and record differences with realistic premythic stuff to try to figure out what i would want to do for 1st mythic week

[lone junco]

You just can't do top gear and talent tests at the same time.

[vocal wave]

I see

[zealous lily]

and then if i do i'll poast here but i will probably be playing multi specs.

no you can't but i think some will be safe to assume

Some traits are obviously crap also.

[vocal wave]

Do you have the profileset for all the rogue talents atm Noobe?

Correct me if I say stupid shit, I'm still really new to simming

[lone junco]

There are fancy tools on github to be used on a local simc.

For raid bots i use talent compare and keep hitting the plus until all relevant combos are taken. Drop iterations to 30k and you can add a few more

Else use advanced paste and use the copy command with the names changed and talent string changed.

[vocal wave]

Cheers

[alpine moss]

Guys I've got a problem... 🤔 I simmed 4.2 k dps as assassination but against the dummy my dps is 3.2 k... Is it normal? The sim simulate a fight considering food, potion, tonic? Or am I fucking up something?

Oh nice

Oh let me check and try

Found it! Let's wait and see if I'm doing everything right lol

[lone junco]

@alpine moss dummy contact has some problems. like dealing with vanish, it may reset your meter. and bracer (belt) time

[alpine moss]

@lone junco I'm running insigna and mantle

[gloomy sorrel]

should I stop going for haste after a certain amount?

Sitting at 30% haste 35% crit right now

[hallow beacon]

@alpine moss vanish always messes up my meters when practicing on the dummy. Maybe watch it then to see if it does.

[alpine moss]

Btw now the sim is right. I'm doing everything right

[lone junco]

@gloomy sorrel i havent seen stat weights keep haste at the top that far up. make sure to re run them often. 25-27 is where ive seen them drop below crit.

but. your gear is not my gear.

post a raidbot if you rerun weights, id like to see that.

[gloomy sorrel]

https://gyazo.com/751a2c7fc4afaf354372773d4de599e5 this is what I'm looking at now

I'll just start socketing crit

[royal lantern]

well....focus a bit more on crit now i gues

[lone junco]

@gloomy sorrel

#1. sepuz proc isnt in the sim.
#2. Nightly/100k is pretty standard.
#3. those crit/haste numbers are really close. try ditching that dog trinket for SSF if you have it

(the varith scourgewing trinket)

[gloomy sorrel]

Yeah I had it forever ago but vendored it like the rest of everyone else xD

Just did ABT today no luck.

[lone junco]

did you try recovering?

only a 90 day window tho

[gloomy sorrel]

yeah it was way longer than that. But I'm going to check

[heavy trail]

!opener

[lone junco]

np.

[heavy trail]

damn it 😄

[lone junco]

!depends on legendaries.

[undone spade]

So is assass slower now? Been a while since I’ve played rogue

[gloomy sorrel]

Not really, I haven't noticed much of a change.

Perks of being a dot class.

[lone junco]

it will be slower after bfa lvl squish.

we have 4p21 feeding stuff now, and reasonable crit rates.

[gloomy sorrel]

True enough

[lone junco]

15 crit will be pretty gross

esp after the oranges die.

anyway. thats why we have outlaw/sub/sin. one of them will be good at any point in tier.

outlaw bones can carry a lot of secondary loss.

[zealous lily]

feels faster to me and i cast more per fight than i did before prepatch.

but that's going from 0 haste to a lot of haste so it's exactly what you would expect.

M+ with sephuz is like hyperspeed with assassin

beta with low secondaries is much slower.

[royal lantern]

well, more haste=dots tick faster=more energy

[zealous lily]

yeah but people want to believe all specs are sloooow with BFA.

[royal lantern]

i have 3%haste and its pretty slow right now

[zealous lily]

that's slow. 😦

[royal lantern]

true for some specs, not for all

fury warrior is pretty fast as an example

[lone junco]

right now is really really smooth, but the 0value rupture is weird.

should be in the 22-27% haste range.

[royal lantern]

ye, rupture feels weird, its only for energy generation wich is a bit stupid

[lone junco]

9% is low fo sho

[royal lantern]

allright, never saw that list, but its really on auto attack lvl? wtf is that shit lol

[lone junco]

if you wear melandrus ring, it buffs white by 10%

this is the standard output from raidbots

on the summary page, to the right is an HTML link.

in that is all the goodies.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aC9EpNvygMSJ4hymvgSw4U/simc

thats where you go if you want to see what your robot is doing.

[hidden grail]

Best way to do aoe for sin in m+ is crimson tempest or FoK?

[lone junco]

both

subterfuge garrotes into CT fok ct fok etc.

when the target count drops you can do env and ruptures, but with about 5x, that ct is ideal

[hidden grail]

Thanks great info.

[lone junco]

if you meant hidden blades fok talent, No. it's shit.

[gloomy sorrel]

So is there a situation where I should be using Elaborate planning

Or is it just always

I'm running MP rn

[hollow raptor]

So someone needs to explain me, how is ravenhold ring still used by a lot of ppl for the single target sim, when for assa in most if not all of those sim its always below 2% dmg, wouldnt using the 2% dmg ring better in most case?

[true rapids]

Sorry to post here but I can't post in quick questions. How do I get permission to post there?

lol

[royal lantern]

you need a role

[hollow raptor]

you need to assign a spec to yourself

[true rapids]

ty

[lone junco]

@hollow raptor tbh. the insig and sephuz have very high crit and haste. If you dont have those stats in rings, you might benefit from them.

at the high end, most are still wearing bracer, but boot is kapoot. shoulder doesnt really do much with subterfuge. belt is shit. hat is flat. cloak is broke. leavs insig and sephuz. sephuz wont proc on bosses.

for me. specifically, i have some very high crit/haste gear. insig doesnt beat shoulder. So I run shoulder bracer

[austere spade]

um shoulders are rather good even with subt. you can pandemic vanish at 6 secs left on garrote to get a juicy one

[lone junco]

in a silo, bracer belt.

for me: subterfuge open is ticking on vendetta, then Tb vanish env garrote mut env mut.

[austere spade]

i didnt ask for the opener just commenting on your "shoulder doesnt really do much with subterfuge"

[lone junco]

its def not the poison bomb carrying anymore.

[austere spade]

but yea

[lone junco]

this is a shoulder sephuz. and you can see the opener is wonky

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2KcA6kpFdGNjvLR9#fight=28&type=casts&source=16&view=timeline

but he did well.

[steady umbra]

Would insignia come into play only at low haste/ crit? Also during a multi-target fight would that outweigh FoK spam in favor of Mut?

[strange python]

Our last tier talents are pretty shit, when it should be the other way around.

[steady umbra]

Right now running Insig bracers, but considering going back to Bracer Shoulders

[lone junco]

this is a current shoulder open.

[strange python]

poison bomb does flat 2.5% damage no matter the length of fight

[lone junco]

^

these numbers are huge

anyway. ill go back under my rock for a bit

[strange python]

Prydaz / Sephuz simming highest for me, Prydaz / Shoulders 2nd. Anyone else getting high sims for Prydaz?