assassination

[dire spoke]

my feelycraft says yes, but you can simulate that to answer your question

[plain thistle]

[inland ridge]

If I have 4 piece antorus set, is that still BiS for bfa start? It's normal/lfr tho. Haven't played since like march

[dire spoke]

my feelycraft says no, but you can simulate that to answer your question

[lone junco]

I checked mine a few days ago. 4p 21 is worth a lot.

[tranquil sedge]

I don’t know why people are worried about bis for B4A launch when you know you will poopsock from 110-120 in 12 hours anyways

[lofty junco]

i wonder when shadowcraft will be updatet

[tranquil sedge]

Like bis will shave what? 15 min?

[timber mauve]

what is bis for shaving

[grim jay]

gilette

[solid nova]

I hope Notter knows you're borrowing his stationary.

[dire spoke]

why do my stuff always get stolen

[swift pine]

its mine now

🥕

[dire spoke]

https://giphy.com/gifs/1HYnEqMzFzsyY

[naive scarab]

curious what argus buff you guys grabbing now? ...

haste is slightly prioritized over crit but haste also caps at around 20%

[hoary copper]

Theres no cap for haste

[naive scarab]

i heard differently

[hoary copper]

At 25% and its still my best stat

You heard wrong

for stat weight

No one steals your stuff @dire spoke

[dire spoke]

[naive scarab]

oooh how original... another pin meme

you sir are awesome!

[hoary copper]

Wasn't to you, keep your sarcasm down

Also if you read pins you'd realize there's no cap soooo

Because it would be mentioned

[plain thistle]

30% haste here and still my best status, with 40% crit 😃

whatever told you about a haste cap doesnt know what he is talking about

because no sim point to a cap, yet

[naive scarab]

damn some youtube lad is spreading propaganda then!

[plain thistle]

cap/breakpoint/softcap, whatever you wanna call it

we dont have any for haste, so far, maybe it will change with azerite gear or more haste 🤷

[hoary copper]

Thats why you should come to reliable sources like here for info

[plain thistle]

youtube is never a good source of information, it gets outdated too fast 😃

[hoary copper]

idk who does our icy-veins or wowhead guides but those are probably ok too

[naive scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCL7LvxCDSk

4:30 in

[fiery nest]

Nah

[hoary copper]

Grayhound does icy veins and wowhead, dont really know him

He says hes a mod here tho >.>

[quartz depot]

dont trust people that sim below 6k

[plain thistle]

😂

[shrewd night]

[hoary copper]

Ah he's a "community figure" now

[naive scarab]

also can someone explain to me why on earth vari trink is the best now??

its vers!

[quartz depot]

because we are fast stabbers

[naive scarab]

lol

[plain thistle]

[naive scarab]

but how is it better than dogs trink??

[shrewd night]

Because it just is?

[hoary copper]

Scaling made it better

[naive scarab]

so counterintuitive

[fiery nest]

secondary stats aren't as good now

so the proc from dogs trink isn't either

[plain thistle]

because our god simc told us so?

[shrewd night]

^

[plain thistle]

😃

[naive scarab]

well dogs trink is agil so that should be better considering the burst of agil

[brazen garden]

but the dogs trinket is doing 8-13% of your total dps

[fiery nest]

no its not

[naive scarab]

that seems high

[lofty junco]

don't talk back to ya sempais xD

[naive scarab]

as am i

[shrewd night]

Why use simc when you can just use feelings as your simulator

[naive scarab]

lol

[brazen garden]

i said dogs

meant SSW

[hoary copper]

still seems high

[brazen garden]

i meant scourgewing

HOLY FUCK

[plain thistle]

still high

[umbral berry]

Lmao use your feelings

[plain thistle]

it does what? 4-5% of our damage? on full single target

[hoary copper]

But Im ded inside

[plain thistle]

• versa

[quartz depot]

about 7%ish on average

[umbral berry]

Koffing i dont think thats meant to be funny but you told someone that last night i lost it lmao

[naive scarab]

one would think that agg haste trink would be our new bis

[plain thistle]

oh yeah, counting "isolated strikes"

[naive scarab]

but i get it... sec stats aren't as good

[hoary copper]

bloodmallet has updated rankings, I think its now kinda higher. It was a really crappy trinket tho for budget and ppm if I remember right

[plain thistle]

forgot about that part

[hoary copper]

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination

It's still pretty low

[dire spoke]

the squish FoK up the balancing between pure dps procs and stats, there is nothing to be upset right now

it doesn't matter anyways

[naive scarab]

ll omg cant believe DoS is still going strong!

at what ilvlv?

[hoary copper]

mouseover the bar it tells you

[dire spoke]

did you just read what I wrote?

[hoary copper]

starts at 210

[naive scarab]

absurd

178

[dire spoke]

no it's not, it's just not scaled correctly

[naive scarab]

no i know its valid... just absurd that its still valid

[dire spoke]

blizz cba doing everything that accurate for a month

[hoary copper]

Only if you get a crazy TF tho

CoF is no longer fury's number one at least

[naive scarab]

does this blood mallet guy keep this sheet updated? ... gonna save if he does

[dire spoke]

you rather stay with herodamage

[naive scarab]

okay

[hoary copper]

Its pretty much the same thing

He does keep it up to date tho, he (was) a shaman I believe

[shrewd night]

That reminds me of the dude

That told people to stick to shadowcraft because it was more accurate than simc, since it was made by rogues

[strange python]

i agree with him

[hoary copper]

He uses simc for his sims, hes a mod on Earthshrine

[dire spoke]

I mean bloodm is not wrong, but there are just more people participating for herodamage

therefore it rather is on edge

[hoary copper]

both are good, least for now

[dire spoke]

I'm sad that roguedpsguide.com is ded

[hoary copper]

didnt know that was a thing

[dire spoke]

@swift pine what was the intention to have a site beside RH ?

[warm parcel]

blood and hd are practically the same

just run by diff people

[hoary copper]

I can get to blood at work cause its github, cant with herodamage

I mean not that I do that cause I work hard

[warm parcel]

😄

[lone junco]

hit me up with that 280 Draught of Souls.

[hoary copper]

That would be one hell of a TF

[swift pine]

@dire spoke at the start of Legion all the best info was on Aethy's personal site and a bunch of different google docs, I just wanted to create a central repo for that info and link it with the bot i built

[dire spoke]

I see, sounds good makes sense

[swift pine]

Why do you miss it? haha

[dire spoke]

it was funny to tell a raidleader to check out roguedpsguide.com for item needs

that domain

[hoary copper]

Its updated for 7.2

Lol

[dire spoke]

yeah they stopped after conc

[swift pine]

Yeah it's pretty old

[hoary copper]

I like the guide is all strikethrough text

[swift pine]

I wonder if Aethys took some inspiration from my site for Herodamage

[hoary copper]

We should tweet all our rogue questions to twitter.com/stjernrogue

[swift pine]

I kinda doubt it, but I do think I was one of the first to create a site like that. Now all the class discords have their own site

[dire spoke]

I'm participating for design assets, logo got updated so far

but I was horrible outside of that, too much irl

I actually feel really bad about it

lol

[brazen garden]

howtopriest was around for a long time

[dire spoke]

sorry for the offtopic at that point 8|

[barren wharf]

For aoe do we just spam fan, and garrote+rupture everything

[prime stirrup]

yes

[barren wharf]

ok thanks 😃

how many targets before we stop mutilating

and just fan

[prime stirrup]

3+

[lofty junco]

ravenholdt said 2+^^

[barren wharf]

thank youu

[prime stirrup]

Yeah I know it does. but FoK does zero dmg, youre better off mut

with only 1/2 targets

especially if you have insignia equiped

[quartz depot]

2 targets is kinda rng

so not exactly worth

[prime stirrup]

fok feels awful with 2 targets

FoK deals 445dmg per target for me. Mut deals 949 dmg + 15% from insignia. theres no way FoK ever out dps's with 2 targets only

[lone junco]

there is a breakpoint of crit for mut on 2 vs fok on 2

if you are using Insig, you can adjust the apl to test.

I tend to mut on 2T as well.

but my crit isnt nearly as high as it used to be.

have seen 75% mut crit in the past. unbuffed.

[vocal wave]

I got two of those 210 swords that dropped and my Sin weapons are 196ilvl

[prime stirrup]

thats, just not right. Im sitting at 48% crit and feel like it pretty op op

mango they are probably better

[vocal wave]

Though the swords are slower, are they an upgrade due to the dmg increase?

[lone junco]

@barren wharf for aoe (large packs 4+), if you have CT, you would do your subterfuge garrotes, 1 or 2 ruptures, then Fok/CT spam.

[dire spoke]

swords as sin

[lone junco]

you cant mutilate with swords

[dire spoke]

lol

[civic palm]

Not with that attitude.

[lone junco]

throw sword is new meta

[vocal wave]

Can you not? /It usually used to state daggers, but no longer does

[strange python]

Hello old friends

[lone junco]

Last time I tried dagger/sword mutilate greyed out

[vocal wave]

Ah yeah it does get greyed out

[civic palm]

O _O

[vocal wave]

Well atleast I got the swords for Outlaw then, need to hope for a dagger

[dire spoke]

@strange python fuck you

[strange python]

Love you too zem

How've you been

[dire spoke]

good, there were many creative questions over the month

and I got CE

[strange python]

Idk what that means

[lone junco]

killed argus

he paid for a carry

[civic palm]

People are being as "creative" as normal, and he bought Collectors Edition.

[strange python]

Oh

[dire spoke]

noobe's guild carried me

[strange python]

Ofc they did

[lone junco]

we dont waste rezzes on scrubs

but he didnt die.

👌

[dire spoke]

[strange python]

Did tumna find a new guild yet?

[dire spoke]

oh god I forgot about tum

[civic palm]

What is... a Tumna?

[strange python]

Tb on cd btw

[solid nova]

Still applies

[strange python]

I miss that guy

[warm parcel]

btw

is this still

the old shadowstep

[lone junco]

he may have died

[strange python]

wEak

[warm parcel]

or a fake one

😄

[civic palm]

Here's a portrait I did.

[strange python]

This is me

M8

Sim me

[civic palm]

Print that out and carry it around with you.

[strange python]

!sim eu/veknilash/shadøwstep

[civic palm]

ducks and covers

[strange python]

Check that updated

[warm parcel]

still playing assa?

[dire spoke]

veknilash

what kinda monkey ghetto realm is that

[civic palm]

Some fucking naga shit.

[strange python]

3.964 k

Notter played on that server aswell

Flame him pls

🔥

[lone junco]

tbh. melandrus is doing good work.

[civic palm]

Yeah the next time Veknilash comes up, sure.

[lone junco]

1.35% good enough

[strange python]

XD

[dire spoke]

@strange python you're sub

[strange python]

Oh

[dire spoke]

idiot

[strange python]

Wait

Fixed

[dire spoke]

how has your being outside been?

[civic palm]

🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[strange python]

Less trash than I thought

[supple hearth]

#off-topic

[civic palm]

Fake News though, I bet.

[supple hearth]

You've been waiting all day to use that

[civic palm]

Nah it was just perfect at this moment :3

[fast nacelle]

👉 👌

[quartz dew]

anyone know what the opera event is this week in ey?

eu*

[dire spoke]

Wikket

[quartz dew]

thanks!

[dire spoke]

At least jeevesbot told me that

[strange python]

Probably an overasked question, but I'm behind My Sim Value by 300 anywhere I can start looking for improving my gameplay?

[dense blaze]

Raid buffs

Probably have pantheon trinkets enabled in your sims

[strange python]

I took it directly from the Addon in the client with simcraft

logs?

oh how can I import that for u

copy it from details somewhere?

Go to warcraftlogs.com and type in your name.

If you see nothing or older raids, then I suggest looking into how to record your own raids using this site.

ah I see

I was mainly talking about Training Dummy testing myself vs Sim

warcraftlogs is a great tool to analyze everything you do in a fight.

The sims use bloodlust/flask/prepot/monk and dh debuff/etc.

Conpared to a dummy

Where you might have none

Ah I see so I'm supposed to be down but, is there a way to turn those off ? Just to see if I'm pressing my own buttons good enough

yes you can turn those off, at least I know you can on raidbots.

Ah perfect thanks

[supple mesa]

@lone junco yeah man I got a 240 melandrus and that bitch raised my dps by 200 lol

[full pecan]

hey lads, i have question here 😃 how worth is ring from cos (if yes, should i change it for sephuz or insignia) and as pot is better old war or still prolong?

[quaint sequoia]

what leggos is bis for leveling? same as pre-patch?

[pseudo nebula]

[sacred citrus]

hrrrrmmm

i came in here to talk about the CoS ring

and we are already talking about the CoS ring

[quaint sequoia]

@pseudo nebula nothing in the pins about leggos for leveling -.-

[delicate socket]

did they fix toe knee's promise?

[ornate gazelle]

Should I be pooling at all with new sin?

[rigid pasture]

^ that, I've been pooling energy for envenom spams during TB windows, should I just spend asap?

[terse citrus]

pool for tb evenoms imo

before vendetta

before vanish

[strange python]

https://raider.io/characters/us/quelthalas/Chandi

ups

[wise frigate]

Says oops > doesn't delete it. Hmmmm

[civic palm]

I mean he said...

ups.

[wise frigate]

Well he's from QT. They do weird things over there.

Like say ups instead of oops

[civic palm]

O _O

[round harbor]

yo ik this isnt the discord

but i just got 92% kill participation in OW

[onyx sigil]

if you have CT in a pure ST situation, do you keep it up or just ignore it? It does more damage than Env, but you don't get the Env buff obviously

[round harbor]

I don't use it

But that could be wrong

[compact vapor]

What’s good assassination leggo to start with

[round harbor]

Shoulders

[compact vapor]

Ty

[bright wasp]

No

Go for signet of ravenholdt

[round harbor]

Then insigna since it's good for both outlaw and sin

[bright wasp]

Better right now

[round harbor]

Shoulders are overall good tho

[bright wasp]

And pair that with sephuz

True

[round harbor]

Every spec can use shoulders and it's absolute bis in m+

[celest mirage]

anyone know where I could get wa?

wa!

[crude hatch]

what do you want?

[celest mirage]

weak auras

[crude hatch]

k thats very broad

[celest mirage]

assasination weak auras

[crude hatch]

you have alot of WeakAuras over at https://wago.io/

[civic palm]

Mine, on WAGO, there.

[echo hill]

Is Blindside actually better than MP?

[dire spoke]

[echo hill]

ye my bad

[hearty belfry]

Shameless plug for anyone needing weakauras https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM

[dire spoke]

meh

[strange python]

Dont think that's allowed

Or was that just yt/streams

[stiff mountain]

do we use crimson tempest in M++?

[true ingot]

I don't know. Do we use an aoe talent in a dungeon. :^)

[shrewd night]

Hmmmmmm

[stiff mountain]

well fuck knows how well it performs lul

aint tried it

[shrewd night]

You can sim it tho

[stiff mountain]

so tosic

SSSS

so if u spec it wud u use it on ST too how much of a mob count wud u do it on

[true ingot]

No. No I would not use it on ST.

[stiff mountain]

2+?

[true ingot]

3, for me.

[stiff mountain]

mkay

[barren wharf]

Does legendary cape stack with hidden blades talent

[dire spoke]

=_ =

yes but the damage got "normalized"

[barren wharf]

was testing if i could 1 shot people in world pvp

but it does nothing 😦

[strange python]

hi all

im new to rogue could seomone help me with my talents

[dire spoke]

[strange python]

bet i dont understand the guides haha

[dire spoke]

it has icons and numbers

like a childrens book

[tiny vapor]

Anyone feels like PB talent is just useless ?

Hopefully CT is quite nice to use

And the FOK talent is a joke

[slow stag]

How Are assassination looking for raiding? :)

[tiny vapor]

Except for burst I don't see it overperform CT

Kinda useless too

[strange python]

and the pvp talents ?

[tiny vapor]

Well the spec still feels good so I won't complain

[strange python]

does seomone know the pvp talents ?

[dire spoke]

check out #pvp pins

[strange python]

thx ❤

[alpine moss]

Assa is fine for raid or am I missing something?

Yeah

It's just personal

Play which is more funny for you

[tiny vapor]

I still think Outlaw won't be as good for ST, but whats good for BFA is that you can play all 3 specs without having to fuel AP into an artifact

[alpine moss]

True ahah

[tiny vapor]

I remember that they said we will be able to "respec" our Azerite gear

[dire spoke]

yeah it's cool, now you have to grind ST/AoE pieces for multiple slots and weapons

8|

[tiny vapor]

We forgot the feeling of not looting good weapons

[dire spoke]

I want a fast knife

[vocal wave]

Do we have a list of Azerite traits that stack and don't stack? And have their been any sims on them at all?

I should start to plan ahead

[warm parcel]

they all stack?

[vocal wave]

Every single one of the traits can stack 3!x with the same trait?

[warm parcel]

ye

[faint heath]

Yo i'm new in rogue, someone know what is the best stats for assassination and if there is some cap ?

[vocal wave]

Ah alright, on some classes they couldn't, so that's good to know

[warm parcel]

and what wouldnt?

Cause Ive yet to see one

[vocal wave]

On the beta some demo locks couldn't stack, the band of g ones

But I don't know if that was a bug or nah

Hand of guldan

Yeah

No wait

The othe one that refunds a ss

Per ss used

[warm parcel]

meteoric flare?

still stacks

just the dmg again

What youre thinking is that they dont scale linearly

so 1 is 500 dps 2nd one is only 150 dps

and that can happen

[vocal wave]

Alright then must of been a bug back then off I may have made a mistake

Or*

[high pivot]

new to rogue is there a macro to cast blindside when its available then mutilate?

[dire spoke]

what if you're at 2CP and blindside would be shit at that point

[wide delta]

😄

[tough whale]

I mean you have half a bar of empty slots for abilities, just separate it :)

[dire spoke]

it's a funny idea to handle it with a macro, but it can casue overcapping issues and is totally not needed for the slowest rog spec

[dapper moat]

hmm this new sin feels better on pvp than in legion, am i just mad or improved? 😄

had tons of problems in legion on 1 vs 1 agaist paladins etc

now they seem easier

[dire spoke]

it's overpowered atm, expect changes

[dapper moat]

k..

[royal lantern]

it feels good, cus you chunk 1/2 of the enemy hp bar with 1 envenom

[dapper moat]

pretty much

and for me

taking away kingsblade helped with rotation 😄

smoother and less brainy

dont mean it was good to take it away but made easier for me 😄

[dire spoke]

get back to your minigame channel

lol

[royal lantern]

*feels good too be top dps with 1 CT

better:?

[dapper moat]

hmm

i wonder i have some good haste gear on bank but

cant use because t21 items

should i just buff haste and forgot t21 bonuses for now

[dire spoke]

tier isn't active in pvp

just equip ilvl

[dapper moat]

hmm

heard that item level would not affect in pvp anymore

need to doubble check that one

[sweet pecan]

i dono about just equip ilvl, equip sum of all stat weight is likely better tbh

it will look quitte a bit like ilvl, except with some exceptions i suspect

[dire spoke]

stats or based on class templates

[wraith dragon]

anyone as a source or insight on how haste is taken into account on DoT damage (bleeding + DP ticks) ?

[quiet ginkgo]

what food are we eating now for m+/raids?

[royal lantern]

agility

rip free 9%mastery

[tough whale]

Mastery is dog anyway now, feelsbadman

[dapper moat]

heh well i hope that my luck with haste gear continues into bfa too 😄

[royal lantern]

no, only mastery/vers now

[dapper moat]

i bet that i start to see bugged item drops of bouble mastery now..

indeed 😄

[edgy lark]

what are the best talents ?

[tough whale]

[lone junco]

S a v a g e. Amirite

[strange python]

is engineering and mining a good combo for rogue?

[dire spoke]

it doesn't matter

[strange python]

alright

[dire spoke]

pick whatever you can take advantage of

[steep obsidian]

eng is useful for the tinkers

espec if you do m+

[strange python]

is it worth to spam CT or only refresh it when the dot has around 2 secs left?

couldn't find it in the pins

[steep obsidian]

the dot does not do much

[hidden merlin]

hey can someone tell me at how much cp to envenom inside the tb buff just at 4+ or at less cp aswell

[steep obsidian]

spam it if you have the cp

[strange python]

alright thank you

[steep obsidian]

on aoe i mean obv coz it aoe talent

[strange python]

yeah i was wondering that 😛

[dire spoke]

@hidden merlin envenom at 4+ and be sure to be somewhat prepared with energy for the uptime

[hidden merlin]

like 80+ somewhat energy?

[viscid pawn]

Why are the shoulders good on multitarget?

[lone junco]

Because 100% crit is good.

In fat trash you could Vanish into Ct FOK Ct FOK Ct.

I've been really laughing at the garrote damage profile.

Absurd for it to be top damage in m+

[crude hatch]

what is Ct?

im bad at abbreviations

[arctic venture]

crimson tempest

also bad with abbreviations.

hehe.

[crude hatch]

aha

thanks

im a disgruntled enhancement shaman that might go rogue in bfa

[potent lintel]

When using sephuz what do you disrupt to get the haste buff

on garothi

[weak pine]

nothing

[dire spoke]

^

[weak pine]

Unless you can apply blind to the cannons there's no way to trigger it

[sweet pecan]

remember to keep a dagger in the inventory, for when you get that one you DO want to equip, but you realise you need to replace both main and offhand at the same time otherwise, due to the artifact weapon being in both slots

[potent lintel]

so why is it BIS on garothi

[dire spoke]

@potent lintel stats

and there is nothing like BiS

[sweet pecan]

lifes a BiS

[weak pine]

Assassination is the best description of WOW as a game

It poisons your mind and makes you bleed.

[dire spoke]

deep

[outer urchin]

anyone has a weak aura for assa that shows if your garrot/rupture is empowered?

[visual mist]

nightstalker, subterfuge or master assasin?

[lone junco]

Subterfuge is good.

Ns is similar. But with proper haste values I like garrote better.

[visual mist]

for questing

and for raiding?

[lone junco]

Read the guide.

It's in the channel header and pins.

[prime stirrup]

@outer urchin no way to make a WA for that. the spell is on the same spell ID so no, all you can do is use your brain and tell if you garroted within 3 seconds of stealth

[outer urchin]

how come we had one for it before?

[prime stirrup]

you have to setup triggers for whether or not garrote was used during subterfuge, vanish, or stealth.

[outer urchin]

yes so its not impossible

[prime stirrup]

your brain can tell you far quicker if you garroted during stealth

[outer urchin]

ok

[prime stirrup]

but go ahead and code 3 sperate aura triggers for it

[silent fossil]

just track subterfuge and use your eyes 🧐

[prime stirrup]

right.. did garrote go on cd? well then it isnt empowered. solves that question

[regal ingot]

so like im just starting to play rogue for bfa need a new challenge, whats a good rotation so far?

[prime stirrup]

depends a lot on the gear/talents you run

[strange python]

[raw shoal]

quick question, is it worth delaying vendetta 15s to line it up with the 3rd exsanguinate?

[strange python]

maybe @lone junco might know.

IDK anyone who plays exsang.

[exotic glen]

think @vestal wren dabbled in that APL as well

[amber arrow]

More than likely depends on fight length and whether or not you lose a vendetta usage

[raw shoal]

thx. i know its not the best, but i like the playstyle

[wintry musk]

what kinda Wa's do yall use for you assin rogues? looking for a new setup

[delicate spindle]

@prime stirrup I use something close to him

[prime stirrup]

i just raped someones energy bar, someone elses CP bars. and use a modified version of sin rogue buff bars. works well, not a ton of clutter.

[strange python]

https://imgur.com/a/W5BOFMv

[strange python]

well this is when stuff is active

but yours is pretty lit as well

how do you play with so many weakauras

[unkempt gulch]

raping energy bars o lord

[strange python]

it's not like they're all active at the same time

plus

u get used to stuff

I think

[prime stirrup]

i stole parts of a lot of different weak auras to make one that i like. because if i didnt being stuck with something like varorage's would tilt me off the planet

[strange python]

u dont like my weak auras? 😦

[barren wharf]

vigor or marked for death in m+?

[strange python]

mfd

imo

unless your group has so much aoe anyway

[wintry musk]

this is what im using atm but am open to trying get something new

[prime stirrup]

Screen real estate > most the WA i see

[unkempt gulch]

skin those weak auras 😱

[strange python]

is that an archimonde trinket I see

??

[wintry musk]

no it tracks shadow stringe from dogs

[strange python]

I mean left of garrote

[exotic glen]

i use mizeroks, they're pretty good

https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7

[wintry musk]

oh um that would be SOT

[lone junco]

That delayed exang apl wasn't right as of yet.

I would love to see it but. In theory the 40sec sim would be fine. As long as the exang is done by then. But it was a loss to TB at 40sec.

[wintry musk]

is Infexious's wa setup updated to bfa yet?

[unkempt gulch]

pretty sure it is

[rancid blaze]

it is updated for bfa but you have to be a patreon in order to get the WA's

[strange python]

🤔 😄

[prime stirrup]

lol charging people for WA/s

[inner pecan]

if people are willing to pay for it why not

supply and demand

[prime stirrup]

Its so easy to just pick and choose elements from the public versions to make everything you want/need

I just don

't* understand why anyone would pay for a WA, especially a monthly payment.

[strange python]

it's probably not the ONLY patreon reward

[prime stirrup]

I just looked at Infexious's WA and there is not a single damn reason why you should pay for that. Just throw a bunch of CD timers all over your screen and bam, you got his WA

[fervent beacon]

But its nice looking WA

[prime stirrup]

He has shit literally everywhere. His CP/Energy bar covers encounter timers, his Icons cover so much screen real estate you cant see mobs bars.

[tidal jetty]

Thoughts on 4p+2p for dungeons as sin?
Seems the t20 2p was "forgotten" or something, and just removes the cd on garrote.
With subterfuge, youre not getting the wild benefits from shoulders anyway, and provided the packs dont just flop over, might be solid to have more garrotes rolling around.

[quartz depot]

do whatever you want m8, it's gonna be irrelevant in 2 weeks

[solid nova]

!ban @digital cedar Spamming discord channels and insulting moderators isnt going to get you anywhere

[strange python]

@tidal jetty herodamage sims have 2p4p simming highest for single target

it assumes base mythic ilvl for both tiers

[burnt ledge]

so... does iron wire work against raid bosses?

for the 15% thing?

[strange python]

oh. we'll if I had it then I guess I would use it. don't see why not.

@burnt ledge nope.

[prime stirrup]

no Iron wire does not work on raid bosses

[burnt ledge]

good to know

that would be pretty smeggin OP for progression 😄

you... yer the garrote bitch ya hear? 😄

[tidal jetty]

kinda weird that it sims higher for st tho, no?

[strange python]

imagine if it stacked for every garrote

[tidal jetty]

lul

3min of spamming garrote into bracer execute

[prime stirrup]

liek its probably simming higher because none of the other traits do a damn thing to Raid bosses. add parameters of boss with adds or something that like that im sure you will see prey on the weak pull ahead

[strange python]

think he means tier 20 2piece simming highest.

[prime stirrup]

oh, ignore what i said then

[strange python]

the energy cost reduc is really, really good.

I always thought garrote costed too much energy for what it does anyway.

[prime stirrup]

ya, i enjoyed that about t20 also. But never had a high enough ilvl set to be worth it for me to equip

[tidal jetty]

oh yeah, didnt consider the energy reduction

[clever burrow]

at what number of mobs do we just spam FoK

and ignore CP

[prime stirrup]

3+

dont listen to ravenholdts listed 2+

[strange python]

i'd say 2+.

why not.

well, I guess poison knives are gone.

but so is balanced blades

[prime stirrup]

becaseu FoK on 2 targets deals less dmg, and generates less CP than mut on 2 targets

ESPECIALLY if you are running insignia. mut is the better choice for 1/2 mobs

[clever burrow]

im using cape + shoulders

for majority of dungeons

[prime stirrup]

adn sanky, you never ignore CP. always use a finisher

[clever burrow]

kk

just spam ruptures

[tidal jetty]

unless youre not using PB or CT, and have like a thousand mobs

[clever burrow]

so say

[prime stirrup]

you with the cape might be different

for 2 mobs

[clever burrow]

opera audience I still rupture?

[strange python]

IMO stuff doesn't live long enough to merit rupture spam.

[clever burrow]

or would you say spam FoK

cus you aint getting much off

[strange python]

opera audience i would rupture once and fok env fok env.

[prime stirrup]

If the targets dont have hp then just env and hope for PB proc

[clever burrow]

im running CT

[prime stirrup]

with ct, you typically garrote 3 + rupture 3 + spam FoK CT

if the mobs dont live long enough for rupture to be usefull then just spam ct

[clever burrow]

I just garrote inside subterfuge window yeah

[prime stirrup]

you should yes, when facing large HP mobs i will still apply more than 3 garrotes

you can get 4 garrotes off before having to deal with garrote 6 sec cd

[clever burrow]

i havent played my rogue since tos

so I have the t20 2 set

meaning 0 sec cd

[prime stirrup]

3 garrotes + 3 ruptures means your almost always energy capped. I don

i don't* think i would really be doing more than that

[vestal wren]

@exotic glen what was the question?

[quaint sequoia]

what leggos is bis for leveling? same as pre-patch?

[echo shoal]

so why is everyone using Subterfuge over Nightstalker?

[lone junco]

Garrote is top 2dmg usually.

[prime stirrup]

@echo shoal Empowered garrote is Op Op right now

[lone junco]

If you are wearing sephuz btw; in m+ large trash I like the. Garrote rupture garrote FOK Ct FOK Ct FOK Ct.

That 10sec window goes fast but. Ct is always top dmg in cleave.

[prime stirrup]

noobe, do you even just kidney shot for another sephuz proc?

i sure do

[lone junco]

Either way outlaw dumpsters sin aoe.

[prime stirrup]

i dont mind the CP waste for the extra burst

[lone junco]

There are plenty of kidney and kick regardless.

[fervent beacon]

Running sin in + over Outlaw

[lone junco]

But 8k single from sin is very nice.

[prime stirrup]

sin does everything well right now. ST/ AOE it makes no difference

[lone junco]

Upper k = sin. Teeming trash. Outlaw.

But it's all good. I like them both. Glad sephuz is on the roster for a bit.

[exotic glen]

@vestal wren question was if its worth holding vendetta for 15 seconds to line with exsang

but i think noobe answered

[lone junco]

He dabbled. But the apl still had a desync in it.

[vestal wren]

iirc it was not, but i can check later or tomorrow

[lone junco]

In my opinion. If exang doesn't beat TB in the 40 sec sim, it's not gonna happen.

[granite berry]

Is there a way to macro Mutilate to use and prioritize Blindside if it procs or the HP requirement is met?

[amber arrow]

Why would u cast rupture instead of another garrote on another target

[lone junco]

Before it was EP and exang. Vs the poison builds. Now we can just ep and poison.

[quaint sequoia]

what leggos is bis for leveling? same as pre-patch?

[lone junco]

Cast both? Depends on the number of targets and their life expectancy

[amber arrow]

Just sayin ur usin 3 globals b4 ur fok ct spam

Might aswell all be garrotes

[lone junco]

Probably. But you're just playing around the sephuz proc. Trying to maximize the first 10 sec. the 3rd garrote is probably a good idea.

But I've been running. The sephuz, vig(DS). Trash packs at 6-7k dps from Ct.

Not sure what others are getting. But that's about half of my outlaw.

Once the oranges die I would expect to see. 3x garrotes. Then one rupture then FOK Ct. spam.

We tend to pull small. So that's just garrote and rupture all the things.

[dire spoke]

@lone junco you really miss the log analyzis do you

[exotic glen]

@dire spoke look at that fucking 30 mil exsang 👌🏿

BIG uptimes!

[dire spoke]

some weird lines in screenshot and a clusterfuck of text without context to any chat content

[exotic glen]

LOL

fuck, you got me

that was a good one

[livid turtle]

anyone know the pandemic refresh windows for garrote and rupture off the top of their heads?

[prime stirrup]

30% of the total CD

[civic palm]

7.2 5.4

rupture garrote

[livid turtle]

tyty

[full pecan]

heya, does any of you expirienced random sephuz proc on kin'garoth?

[dire spoke]

you can sap the orbs

[calm grail]

Wut

[full pecan]

orbs?

[dire spoke]

I'm just bored

[strange python]

@full pecan if you're logging, you might be able to look at timelines and figure out what is triggering sephuz.

[wraith oar]

Does it make me a scrub if I don't talent dispatch

[strange python]

No, blindside may be competitive at 120 but now chances are it is unlikely to be better than the other two

[lone junco]

@dire spoke totally.

[lime panther]

So haste is now highest statweight for sin ...

[dire spoke]

https://s3.amazonaws.com/achgenwow/t/a_5AAbK31o.png

[unkempt gulch]

yeah i tried assa in the raid testing yesterday and it felt terrible with 8% haste

[dire spoke]

):< why is it cropped

[tranquil dove]

are there any sap macros that let u sap somebody without targeting them

[civic palm]

Nice FONT CHOICE NERD!!

Mouseover should work for Sap.

[tranquil dove]

for example if i see somebody in stealth while im in stealth

like this rogue just did to me

[civic palm]

Spam it. So long there is nothing else targetable by the targeting you will hit the stealth person.

[tranquil dove]

i see

[civic palm]

Can also piano TAB and SAP.

[dire spoke]

I play piano with my mouse

[civic palm]

w/e works

[tranquil dove]

idk what that means

[civic palm]

Hitting the two keys rapidly one after the other.

[viscid pawn]

is there a poison bomb weakaura for 8.0.1?

[civic palm]

Yeah there's a PBOMB WA for 8.0.1, but I deleted it because why would anyone care about PBOMB?

If you are trying to track PBOMB damage yeah there's some WA's floating around.

If you have good pianoing you could do the VAN~>ENV bug without needing a stupid macro for it as well.

But that bug is long dead.

[plain thistle]

its not even worth to track poison bomb anymore

[civic palm]

The duration is so fast that it's almost over before you know it's down.

and the damage is... not exceptional.

Someone was asking for a WA to track the number of times it procc'd during a fight and I almost fell out of my chair.

[tender folio]

For high keys what you guys would recommend , Hidden Blades with cloak or Crimson Tempest ?

[plain thistle]

😂

CT

[civic palm]

Low keys HB maybe?

[dire spoke]

depends on key, depends on how tank pulls, depends on group damage

8|

[exotic glen]

isnt HB deader than a fish on land

[dire spoke]

deader than your jokes

[civic palm]

It has a place when you can't get the DMG done with CT because things die instantly.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dire spoke]

@exotic glen sorry ily

[full pecan]

@strange python yeah i made logs, but there was literaly nothing i could proc it from -> cloak was already used and i used literaly no cooldowns that can proc sephuz (it was during add phase and i was purely dpsing)

[exotic glen]

in that case, it shouldnt even exist zempai

[strange python]

did you vanish garrote

maybe the add got silenced

[tender folio]

k ty

[full pecan]

@strange python i vanished at the start of dpsing add, but at this moment was add at like 30-40% 😄

[strange python]

🤷

[lime panther]

#showtooltip Sap
/cleartarget
/targetenemyplayer
/cast [harm, nodead] Sap

doesnt work on npcs though

[strange python]

I could look at the logs if you want.

[dire spoke]

targetenemyplayer

doesn't work on npc

weird

[exotic glen]

LOL

[lime panther]

someone asked for an auto sap macro for pvp

[dire spoke]

oh

[civic palm]

aka SAP

[lime panther]

lol...

[dire spoke]

😂

[lime panther]

aka itl sap u before u get sapped

[exotic glen]

this fucking discord

[lime panther]

yup

[exotic glen]

is killing me today

[civic palm]

Yeah I am fucking dying.

[exotic glen]

should have just gotten myself killed by the heat instead

[civic palm]

Yeah, go visit Giggle and DIE.

O _O

[exotic glen]

monkaS

[civic palm]

Make some bacon and enjoy your last moments.

[dire spoke]

monkafuckingS

[civic palm]

I AM DOING KETO!!
dies from brain damage

[dire spoke]

who?

[exotic glen]

i ate only pre-marinaded porkbelly for dinner today

felt like a real slob

[civic palm]

Did you cook it at least?

[exotic glen]

yes?

[civic palm]

ONLY PRE-MARINADED

Ain't no cooking there.

[brazen garden]

also PORKbelly

[civic palm]

and... BELLY... slob.

[dire spoke]

I had burger and wedges and milkshake at a non-franchise place

[exotic glen]

@dire spoke 😡

[civic palm]

Wow this job-maker.

[exotic glen]

this if offtopic talk

[civic palm]

Supporting the COMMUNITY.

[dire spoke]

wow

[exotic glen]

you guys, stop

[civic palm]

Yes...

it is.

[dire spoke]

what's the opener for a BBQ dish?

[civic palm]

Food in mouth.

[dire spoke]

[civic palm]

You asked what the OPENER was for a BBQ DISH.

Fucking put it down my thoat.

[exotic glen]

high heat > olive oil > season that shit > off the grill

its in the guide ya numbskull @dire spoke

[civic palm]

High heat

[exotic glen]

read pins

[civic palm]

O _O

[exotic glen]

depends on the dish i guess and fight length

[civic palm]

and what region you are in.

[dire spoke]

I read guide but didn't understand, new to IRL

[civic palm]

High heat would get you kicked out of my fucking group.

[topaz quest]

Hey, a question, does Rogue (Especcially Assa) Bring any Buff to the Table? Or better: Why should you take a rogue instead of a Monk or DH in raid (buffs the raid and stuff)

[civic vector]

Stop

[civic palm]

We're making BBQ not fucking french fries.

@topaz quest We stab shit and can't die.

[topaz quest]

but that doesnt make my group stronger :/

[civic palm]

Our buff is that while everyone else is dead you're killing the boss still.

[dire spoke]

[civic palm]

Your strong DPS and survivability is the "buff" you bring to your group.

[dire spoke]

we have shroud so all melees can be cool and attack asap

[civic palm]

Tricks of the Trade is insane still.

[dire spoke]

[exotic glen]

@topaz quest we dont have any buffs, no spec does. you pick it because of the damage pattern, our strengths and weaknesses. if you think that a group buff is the only thing thats worth bringing about any class, i think you need to revisit some of your ideas

[dire spoke]

that was the nicest rant I've ever read

[civic palm]

Trying to write a paragraph to look "cool", pffft.

[exotic glen]

i got a bit obsessed after the BBQ talk

[dire spoke]

[topaz quest]

Meh... ok . _ .

[civic palm]

I like the "octagonal sign" that has no signage on it to denote what it is.

[civic vector]

You know

[civic palm]

If you are looking for something entirely passive to make you "worth" bringing to a group, I don't wanna say that you are doing it wrong, but that you should do your best to try and make just being there on your Rogue worth it.

[exotic glen]

im guessing that if you're seriously asking this question btw, you are not playing at a high enough level where things like this matter at all

[dire spoke]

@civic palm you mean like being actually good with a class O_ O

[civic palm]

I mean even if you are fun to be around, that could account for more than some buff.

Make yourself the bard.

Even though WE DO NOT HAVE ONE... BLIZZARD.

[dire spoke]

wow stop being so deep

[exotic glen]

bards are shit, change my mind

[civic palm]

If you need a 5% DMG buff to make yourself feel better, maybe you should work on yourself more before finding outside influence to make yourself seem better.

[spare cloud]

Being fun to be around increases raid dps by 2%

[civic palm]

Bards are broken in almost every setting they exist in.

[topaz quest]

im just thinking about those tryhard groups... "yeah we need a DH for our mythic + Group, you dont bring any buffs for us" or something like that

[civic palm]

Fuckem.

Find someone else.

[spare cloud]

Thats not a group you want to be part of anyways

[dire spoke]

you need 30 gearsets as rogue 💪🏻

[exotic glen]

literally anyone will make up a reason to not bring whoever they dont like

you cant really avoid it

[civic palm]

Blizzard literally nerfing chubbybruh.

[exotic glen]

litrilly

[civic palm]

What bullies.

Boolies even.

[dire spoke]

litrillilie

[spare cloud]

"the rogue we had 19 dungeons ago did 200 dps less than our warlock, rogues must suck ass, i will never bring one anymore"

[dire spoke]

LOL

I can't use my spastic emote

oh wait

[exotic glen]

"my girlfriend cheated on me with a dude who plays rogue, i will never trust them again"

[vapid moth]

Is it bad that whenever I see the "hero class" requirement I instantly think DK and DH

[civic palm]

Yes, very bad.

[limber dagger]

Guys when running crimson tempest for dungeons, do i never use it in a bossfight?

[strange python]

do i still need sephuz if my haste is 30% +

[exotic glen]

SIM

[vapid moth]

Sim? What kinda question is that

[exotic glen]

YA SELF

[vapid moth]

Also how this man have 30% haste

[shrewd night]

I think he has it because he has equipped haste gear

But I dont know, maybe food buff stacks or some shit

This some magic shit right here

[vapid moth]

With tier set and leggos?

[strange python]

good way to get urself blocked there...bloody ignorant twat

[vapid moth]

Block me bitch

Tf is you anyway?

[civic palm]

Oi kids.

[exotic glen]

what the fuck goraxus

[civic palm]

Calm the fuck down.

[exotic glen]

LOL WHAT

[shrewd night]

[exotic glen]

literally no one said anything

"bloody ignorant twat" out of nowhere

[shrewd night]

Clean up on Isle 2 please

[strange python]

talking about the dude who said what kind of question is that

nm

[vapid moth]

Anyway highest haste I've heard of is 25%. I must find how 30 is possible

[shrewd night]

Equip some more gear

[exotic glen]

its with heroism of course

[vapid moth]

Maybe the dude has the Leggo trinket

That could be a solid 1 or 2% right there

[nocturne cradle]

hey, I can buy 1 legendary for any spec on my rogue, any suggestions? Looking for one that will help leveling in BFA

[vapid moth]

Shoulders

[dire spoke]

mantle

[exotic glen]

shoulders

[vapid moth]

Its unanimous @nocturne cradle

[dire spoke]

big unanimous tiddies

[nocturne cradle]

ty

[vapid moth]

@dire spoke that's monogamous

Did the BfA TF rules kick in with prepatch or can I still potentially get 265 gear from heroic antorus

[dire spoke]

yes

[stark sage]

Hello, rogue-noob here, I have a question about a pvp talent in Assassination. I can't seem to get this one to proc.. What does it mean by lethal poison?

https://i.gyazo.com/1adb3fff1ba946fcf268cbac8c8f46f5.png

[vapid moth]

If you fulfill the requirements it proca

[nocturne cradle]

deadly poison and wound poison are your lethal poisons

crippling is non-lethal

[stark sage]

Alright, that's what I figured. Still not procing for some reason.

[vapid moth]

It does. It just doesnt show up in dps logs

[stark sage]

It'll appear on the enemy as a debuff, yeah?

Ah, alright.

[vapid moth]

If you check your combat log you'll see

[supple hearth]

you'll also notice when they have 90% reduced speed lol

[stark sage]

I'm just hitting a target dummy for now, so haven't tried on a player.

Ah, I see it in my combat log now, sweet deal. I thought I was losing my mind.

Thanks guys!

[vapid moth]

Np

[limber dagger]

Guys when running crimson tempest for dungeons, do i never use it in a bossfight?

[vapid moth]

Not sure. I mean it is a bleed so I would think yes

[serene basin]

if is a pure ST fight, i think thats not worth it

[limber dagger]

It deals more damage than envenom tho

[shrewd night]

Uuuuuuuh

Does it though?

[night olive]

CT doesn't proc energy regen

[limber dagger]

when looking at numbers at least

[shrewd night]

You get poison damage from envenom buff, so Id be REALLY surprised if CT outscaled envenom

[wise frigate]

CT might do more damage with the initial + full duration than one envenom? But that's not factoring in the other benefits of Enven.

[vapid moth]

True

[shrewd night]

Nor that you can fit in several envenoms in one CT durations

[limber dagger]

ye but what if i just try to keep ct active while still using envenom

its just one less envenom in a whole rotation

[wise frigate]

Dunno you'd have to test that or something. I feel like it might be better to keep CP like another bleed but I'm bad at theorycrafting shit like that.

[vapid moth]

With all the FoK buffs stacked it still hits for weak shit in wpvp. Did 5.5k at most against a group of 20 people

[grim canopy]

So ass is bad in M+ again in bfa?

[limber dagger]

no its not lingo

i mean wpvp is not close to m+ i suppose

[grim canopy]

i mained assassin last expansion wanted to play again but hated every1 tellin g me to g clunky Sub for m

[vapid moth]

@limber dagger I usually get about 2 envenoms in a row. Still get about max energy returns. But if I added in ct I dont think that would remain the case. It would eventually just snowball

[limber dagger]

hmm

gona test it i guess

[slow grove]

Master Poisoner vs EP in PVP?

[supple hearth]

depends on scenario

both are good

[slow grove]

Just BG'ing for fun. Just tryin to top the charts and laugh at my friends.

Idk what pvp talents are worth using either. Torn on system shock and deadly brew.

[supple hearth]

i'd play EP in bgs

[royal lantern]

creeping venom system shock deadly brew is the ´´too go´´ setup

[supple hearth]

and there isn't really a "to go" set up

if yourein a normal bg I wouldn't take system shock. creeping and deadly are both good. I'd taking flying daggers/smoke bomb/ dfa all over system shock tho

but again it all depends on scenario 😛

[slow grove]

I gotta have my maneuverability XD

so I only get 2

[wintry musk]

anyone use Notter weakaura's?

[civic palm]

Nope.

I do not.

[plain thistle]

who is notter?

just kidding

[last whale]

System Shock is definitelly not go to talent

[civic palm]

O _O

[kindred cedar]

Do we always use mutilate from vanish now? or what do we break vanish with now?

[civic palm]

No O _O

Where'd you read that hogwash?

[kindred cedar]

Garrote
Mutilate till 4 combo points
Rupture
Vanish when talented into Master Assassin
Mutilate
Toxic Blade
Envenom
Mutilate till 4 combo points
Envenom
Mutilate till 4-5 combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote hits 5.4 seconds or less when talented into subterfuge

On ravenholdt guide

What is the correct rotation / opener then if not doing master assassin ?

[civic palm]

aka worse.

[wise frigate]

Remove that line.

Boom.

[civic palm]

remove the line

[kindred cedar]

ah okey

So, when do i vanish instead?

[wise frigate]

When it says Vanish.

[civic palm]

Later

[kindred cedar]

When specced into nightstalker to ?

[civic palm]

Yarp.

[kindred cedar]

anyone have a weakaura to track that shit? had one earlier where it started to glow when it was cool to refresh the rupture for example

but re-installed wow and now it's gone like the wind

[wise frigate]

Just add a Condition to whatever rupture tracking you use now.

[kindred cedar]

i just import shit from wago

[wise frigate]

In the Conditions tab. You can set it to glow when time remaining <= 7.2

WAs are easy once you get used to them.

Especially basic ones like CD and buff trackers.

[kindred cedar]

you have one ready perhaps?

went into conditions tab and looked at it but had no idea what to fill out where

same with garrote if that's the case to

[civic palm]

correct, duration

dummy

Just gp get my WA and pouch what you need O _O

[wise frigate]

If you use Details you can also just rip a WA from the damage segment for it.

[kindred cedar]

Ah okey, not sure what wa im currently running to track shit, but if you got any tip on good and clean ones im happy to take the suggestions 😃

Any timer i could add to garrote when its cool to refresh it ?

[wise frigate]

Miz's and Notter's both work fine. I used Notter's personally and just edited them to suit my tastes.

Though I'm not sure if Nott's are updated. But I just manually updated all mine.

[kindred cedar]

Wouldnt mind a link where to download it if possible if anyone have one

[wise frigate]

Can just search "Mizerok" on Wago.

Should bring them up.

[civic palm]

https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7

[wise frigate]

Or that works.

[civic palm]

If there is an issue PLEASE contact me on here about it.

[kindred cedar]

Cool, thanks mizerok!

[civic palm]

Suggestions/etc are welcome.

[kindred cedar]

Is there a condition i could add to garrote to ?

ill just go with mizerok's instead, seemed nice and ill just fix it as i like it to fit my UI

anyone could sum up the opener and rotation real quick so i can study it until my brain explode?

[wise frigate]

It's in the guide.

[kindred cedar]

but subterfuge is the talent to go with now?

[wise frigate]

Sim yourself via Raidbots.com. Personally Subter is better for me.

[kindred cedar]

ah okey

[wise frigate]

Then again I'm playing Outlaw again so I haven't really fucked with my Sin stuff.

[grim canopy]

i hate how Rogue gets his aoe at lvl 60

[kindred cedar]

Never played with that talent really, any tip on how to maximize the performance of it? as i can use stealth abilities for 3 sec after?

or is it just the 100% garrote dmg buff we are taking advantage off?

[wise frigate]

Just treat Vanish as a Garrote buffer. Otherwise don't worry about it.

[kindred cedar]

so only focus on vanish then garrote?

then just keep doing it normal

[wise frigate]

Get the empowered Garrote on pull, then Vanish reapply it when it's in pandemic, then on future Vanishes do the same thing. Wait till pandemic then Vanish Garrote.

Yeah only thing Sin really gets from Subter is letting you Garrote multiple things on pull/Vanish or Cheap Shot for like M+ or PvP.

And ofc the boosted Garrote damage.

[kindred cedar]

so i vanish as soon as garrote is running out and reapplying it again ?

[wise frigate]

No. Wait till pandemic.

[kindred cedar]

yeah exactly

[wise frigate]

Like the guide says.

Oh I read that backwards.

[kindred cedar]

and pandemic was the 7.2 secs?

[wise frigate]

DYSLEXIA

[kindred cedar]

ah ok

@civic palm why is there a marker in the energybar at 55 energy in your WA ?

[civic palm]

MUT

[kindred cedar]

but it costs 50 energy? o_O

[civic palm]

Sure does

Concession to response time.

[kindred cedar]

oh, it's even that advanced

mindblown, and awesome.

[civic palm]

I wouldn't call it advanced, more lazy on my point.

Pretty sure the little marker isn't even in the exactly right place.

[kindred cedar]

Suppose i could remove the crippling poison screamer tho?

[civic palm]

and it's bullshit if you don't play Vigor

or put crippling on 😛