assassination

[royal bronze]

its ok

[fallow trench]

xaethron you from dalaran us?

[vapid moth]

yeah

[civic palm]

No he's from Europe I think.

[fallow trench]

kay

[vapid moth]

why?

[dire spoke]

Mistress, Maiden, KJ or Argus without WAs 8|

[fallow trench]

just wanted to see logs

[dire spoke]

shootmykneeoof

[civic palm]

Mistress with the assignment WA's was kinda dumb.

[sharp nova]

anything on progress without WAs ⛔

[civic palm]

Even when people didn't follow directions.

[royal bronze]

mizerok I like it

[vapid moth]

now i got random people that have never been in the discord before judging me :/

[royal bronze]

I give 8/10 but I prob not use

numbers too big

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[royal bronze]

❤

[fallow trench]

im not judging

just curious

[civic palm]

Change the size.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[royal bronze]

super gj tho

gives heaps of info which i like

[civic palm]

The font is important as well, some are just larger than others.

[dire spoke]

miz is halfway blind on one eye and wears a eyepatch on the other

[storm canopy]

Whats making sephuz strong right now? just the stats?

[royal bronze]

yup

anyone else got any cools WA's to check out

[civic palm]

Pretty much every Legendary is a stat-stick at this point.,

[vapid moth]

Sephuz is 2% haste

[civic palm]

and some other stuff.

IMO, every WA suite should track GCD somehow O _O

12/10 advice, get your buttons in better.

[dire spoke]

7 out of 4 glitter pony stickers

[vapid moth]

I was gonna say something. and forgot

[dire spoke]

my life cycle is FoK

=_ =

[potent rune]

anyone have a weakaura to track an empowered (subterfuge) garrote?

[vapid moth]

i dont

wait a fuckin minute

PK is no longer a thing

[dire spoke]

I heard Master Assassins is gone too

[vapid moth]

no thats still here as a talent

[dire spoke]

the trait

[civic palm]

🔫

[prime stirrup]

rekka there is no distinguishing between a normal garrote cast and an empowered one, you can track your stealth usage and make a guess though

[civic palm]

I've my old WA for tracking it but it really just doesn't take.

NS snapshotting, ezpz.

SUB snapshotting, fuckMe.

[prime stirrup]

they are using the same spell identifier so i'm not sure WA could tell the difference

[civic palm]

Even using or statements it doesn't it doesn't work.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

FUCKING TAKE MY EMPOWERMENT

But seriously, just use your brain.

You have like, 3 Empowered Garrotes over the course of a fight.

[prime stirrup]

if youre running subterfuge how does the opener work?

do you just reapply a garrote with vanish after 5 seconds

that seems like a waste

[civic palm]

If you have Mantle it's the same as previous IIRC, line up the durations.

[prime stirrup]

its why im running nightstalker for single target

[civic palm]

Without Mantle you are waiting on 6 seconds remaining on E.Garrote to Vanish and reapply the Empowerment.

Garrote had it's scaling changed and now does much more damage.

[prime stirrup]

mm so you just hold it

[civic palm]

Yeah let the first one drain, normal rotation filler after TB window, then get a Pandemic'd Empowered Garrote.

With mantle it's applied after the Vanish ~> ENV

Like you'd might have done in Legion.

[prime stirrup]

so if you run mantle + sub you arent looking to apply an empowered garote?? why even run sub with mantle then, seems like nightstalker is better choice for the dmg boost on vanish env

[civic palm]

Subterfuge gives you a 3 seconds window after stealth to use abilities from stealth.

[opaque tree]

did they shadow nerf anything the past couple days

my top damage has changed a bit from what it was

maybe it's because of light cleave but... i dunno

[civic palm]

So with Mantle and Subterfuge you Vanish ~> ENV ~> Garrote, and the Garrote is still Empowered due to the Subterfuge extended stealth window.

[prime stirrup]

mizerok, you can apply an empowered garrote after you leave stealth? i thjought that was only when stealth was up, not when subterfuge was giving you the 3 second window

that makes more senes

[civic palm]

You can do all kinds of weird shit in the Subterfuge stealth window.

Like Archaeology Excavating.

Mounting.

Hearthing.

[prime stirrup]

i didnt think it was giving you full benefits of stealth, i thought it just let you use stealth only abilties briefly

[civic palm]

Use some quest items.

All from stealth.

Nope, all from stealth 👌

For that window, obviously.

You get an buff coming out of stealth extending it for 3 seconds.

[prime stirrup]

well that makes things nice

[civic palm]

Makes things work, otherwise that talent would be poop with Mantle.

[prime stirrup]

i thought you were gated into vanish garrote with sub

[civic palm]

Well through Legion, it would have been very bad.

Nopers.

There even used to be a bug with Subterfuge that didn't trigger the Mantle Crit countdown until you were out of the Subterfuge stealth window.

I say bug but... I think it was more of an unintended interaction.

[royal bronze]

Is there anyway to lower the opacity of an imported WA

@miz?

[civic palm]

Yeah.

You have to do it for each particular component of a WA though.

[royal bronze]

thats fine

[vapid moth]

remember the KB bug

[civic palm]

in the DISPLAY tab there should be a COLOR BOX, click that and there's a slider on the right of the window that pops up.

WHICH KB bug?

[royal bronze]

Bar alpha?

[civic palm]

Yeah.

[royal bronze]

ty 😃

[civic palm]

Alpha relates to transparency.

[edgy pebble]

What are most people running for leggos now. A few days ago it was insig and sephuz

But is it back to insig and shoulders ?

[civic palm]

w/e SIMs the best for them at the moment.

[edgy pebble]

I see

Thank you

[upbeat pendant]

Anyone know how to make a simple macro to spam Blindside when it's available and mutilate when it's not? I'd like to simplify my action bar as much as possible

[civic palm]

o _o

No.

You hit Blindside so infrequently, just bind it to something else, some mod macro is gonna have you hitting a modifier key for it anyway.

[upbeat pendant]

Every other guide says hit it when it's up. Blindside>Mutilate since its higher damage and less energy

[civic palm]

Yeah, but I do not think that it is frequent enough to warrant some kinda macro to simplify things.

[upbeat pendant]

Depends on the circumstance. Since its also basically an execute sub 30%

[civic palm]

But you are not gonna be able to find a macro to make it ONLY usable when it procs and otherwise spam Mutilate, that kinda runs close to automation that forced Blizzard to remove functionality from Macros.

You also don't spam it under 30% at 110.

The returns are not better than Mutilate.

[grand salmon]

uh my level 104 rogue is simming at 10k dps

xd

lol there it is in all its glory

#bot-spam

[civic palm]

?

[grand salmon]

look at bot spam chat

[civic palm]

ok

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lunar coral]

what are you guys running in m+/

[vapid moth]

what do you mean?

[lucid latch]

why is insignia so good now?

[civic palm]

Stats.

It was also already Top 3 after Artifact Empowerment quest.

[fervent beacon]

Haste and crit are really valuable for sin atm

34% crit with 23% haste

🤤

[civic palm]

Yeah they're basically perfect.

[past star]

how assassin shaping up ?

[civic palm]

:3

[vivid bone]

34% crit and 30% haste, glad I kept all my haste crap

yet I still sim low as fuck

[civic palm]

Gotta get dem ITEM LEVELZ.

[vivid bone]

237 isnt high enough?

I sim at 5k dps -.-

[civic palm]

I sim at 5.2 or so.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vivid bone]

lower ilvl?

[civic palm]

240 something.

[vivid bone]

Just wondering what I should do different

if anything

[civic palm]

More item levels.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I am at...

[vivid bone]

stop shrugging so much

you'll hurt your shoulders

[civic palm]

31crit/22haste/5Xmastery

Tons of Mastery to lose.

I am stretching.

[vivid bone]

34 crit / 30 haste / 43 mastery / 4 vers 😛

ratings look good

guess I just miss a shitload of agility then or something

[civic palm]

Yeah, just item levels.

or trinkets?

[vivid bone]

or the sims I've seen are with different settings

[civic palm]

Most people are still putting defaults, 5min 10k patch.

[vivid bone]

Gorschalachs legacy and Golganneths

[wise frigate]

Having to look all the way other there is kinda exhausting.

[civic palm]

That's preeeeeetty nice.

[wise frigate]

over there*

[civic palm]

What does my typing look like?

[vivid bone]

Horizontal scrollbar

it's very annoying

[civic palm]

haha

[vivid bone]

pls change nickname

[civic palm]

It's just the line though ye?

[vivid bone]

It's MIZEROK in caps and 2 lines beneath it

[civic palm]

Well that's no fun.

[vivid bone]

Agreed

[civic palm]

desktop

Looks like I have a fucking header for my posts > ,<

[vivid bone]

screen resolution matters

[civic palm]

Yeah.

[past star]

so is haste better for assassin then mastery now?

[quick ice]

[past star]

ty

[vivid bone]

@civic palm , is that your weakauras I see on wago

[civic palm]

Probably.

If my name is on it.

[vivid bone]

MizerokWoW? :p

[civic palm]

Yeah, I had a fight with WAGO.

They don't really do account recovery and they lost my old shit, this being before I just logged in with BlizzInfo.

I pushed an update earlier so it's probably near the top of the SIN stuff? Dunno.

[vivid bone]

yeah guess so

[prisma wind]

Alright so I’ll s anyone else bummed that blindside doesn’t make the same chunky noise it did in MoP haha

[vivid bone]

blindside? what's that?

[civic palm]

Things are noisy enough O _O

It's fake Dispatch.

[prisma wind]

This sleek toxic blade-esque sfx is too discreet

True

[civic palm]

Could be changed in the future?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vivid bone]

maybe with warmode on, I should turn on sound again

[civic palm]

What you wanna here Rogues going through Rogues?

[lone junco]

the port infront of kara is a hot spot

[vivid bone]

Yeah, and ''NOT ENOUGH ENERGY"

[civic palm]

What you don't have Sap bound to mousewheel-down?

[prisma wind]

Ooh ok so

[lone junco]

0

[prisma wind]

Game time

Weirdest key bind you have

Go

[civic palm]

uhhh

[lone junco]

x for jump

[lone junco]

its pretty awkward

[civic palm]

hmmm

Functions are weird for some people.

[prisma wind]

Shift-5 is vanish for me

[civic palm]

That's weirder.

[prisma wind]

Is that weird

[vivid bone]

Shift + S is sprint, due S being first letter of sprint

[prisma wind]

Do you guys fuck with T

[vivid bone]

SHift + V = vanish, same reason

[civic palm]

uhhh, nope

[vivid bone]

Shift + E = evasion

[civic palm]

R is as far as I go on anything that is pressed in combat.

[vivid bone]

It's been this way for me since vanilla lol

[swift sparrow]

M= mutilate ? :p

[civic palm]

Guess G is further away, feels natural though.

[vivid bone]

shift + R = rotating spinning knife attack

[prisma wind]

Shift V is distract for me. Man really, no T? T is roll the bones, other stuff for me

[vivid bone]

See? it works

[civic palm]

R for RADIUS ATTACK

[vivid bone]

I'm not even trolling

[prisma wind]

R for rupture here

[vivid bone]

this is how I keybind for my rogue

[civic palm]

Shift+R for OTHER RADIUS ATTACK.

[prisma wind]

I really do not utilize 4 well at all

[vivid bone]

Shift + F = FUCK GET THE$E DOTS OFF ME

[prisma wind]

Yet I do T go figure

[civic palm]

I moved SPAM BUTTON from 3 to 4 after having some finger issues in TBC.

[prisma wind]

F is cloak for me!

[civic palm]

` = cloak

[vivid bone]

Eyyyy, pound it

🤜

[prisma wind]

Really, yeah I do mut 1 envenom 2 garrote 3

[civic palm]

I have it backwards from you basically.

[vivid bone]

mut 1, rupture 2, envenom 3, garrote 4

[prisma wind]

And obviously feint is SHIFT T

[civic palm]

1 garrote, 2 rupture, 3 env, 4 mut, 5 VEN

[prisma wind]

why is feint shift t for me

[vapid moth]

x for jump wtf?

[alpine moss]

Rupt 1, env 2, mut 3 , garrote 4

Lolz

[serene nacelle]

1 gar, 2 env, 3 rup, 4 vendetta, 5 mut

[prisma wind]

I think shift t for feint is my worst honestly. Wait 5 mutilate????

[vivid bone]

I mean it's pretty smart to have mutilate bind to the strongest finger

[vapid moth]

i dont play with a mouse so i automatically have the weirdest keybinds

[civic palm]

4 is my best mashing button.

[supple mesa]

I use caps lock as a key bind

[vivid bone]

yeah, I can imagine

[civic palm]

and most central to allow continued movement while mashing.

[prisma wind]

Fuck maybe I gotta move mut to 3

[vapid moth]

i use mut on 1

[prisma wind]

It’s been like 9 years but sure

[supple mesa]

My mut is 1

[prisma wind]

Same

[civic palm]

4 allows me to hit both Q and E for strafing, or A and D for strafing.

[supple mesa]

I strafe with a d

[prisma wind]

Ok see

Yeah a d strafe. Q and E bound

[civic palm]

While either hitting 4 with index or middle finger.

[supple mesa]

Dude you win you are too weird

[prisma wind]

E is obviously for me a long cooldown, thereby wasting its convenience

[civic palm]

haha

[vapid moth]

i use [ for feint

[civic palm]

What we've no fucking ESDFer's?

[supple mesa]

Really my e is ct haha

[civic palm]

` = cloak, alt+` = feint

[alpine moss]

E is Vendetta for me

[prisma wind]

Yes!!!

[vivid bone]

` = stealth

[supple mesa]

Shift 2 is my vend

[civic palm]

middle mouse stealth 👌

[vapid moth]

` is push to talk

[prisma wind]

I can’t do shift 1 and 2

[vivid bone]

Ohhh that's smart Mizerok

[prisma wind]

Fingers hurt

[vivid bone]

I'll steal that

[vapid moth]

nah push to talk is ' for me

[hearty socket]

does vendetta not show proper dmg on rupture

[civic palm]

Middle Mouse has been the stealth button FROM VANILLA.

[hearty socket]

?

[civic palm]

What are you people even DOING?!

[supple mesa]

Really? Funny just how different everyone is haha!

[vivid bone]

Yeah, I now have middle mouse click for push to talk 😄

[vapid moth]

i use f for stealth

[prisma wind]

Middle mouse is hard for me to hit cleanly weird

[vernal adder]

middle mouse to talk

[civic palm]

mmm

[vapid moth]

r for mount

[alpine moss]

R for Vanish

[vivid bone]

I hardly have push to talk on tho

[civic palm]

I played a shit ton of FPS games with CTRL as crouch, so it's PTT for me now.

[vapid moth]

0 for vanish

[vernal adder]

eww open mic

[civic palm]

Though that has issues with being a modifier.

[vapid moth]

yeah for real theres a special place in hell for you open mic people

[vivid bone]

This is going to take getting used to

[prisma wind]

So I’ve found that V is great for shadowstep

[civic palm]

Z for me.

[prisma wind]

Cuz my thumb is always there

[fringe ginkgo]

I use T for shadowstep

[vivid bone]

open mic works perfectly fine in my guild

[vivid bone]

I don't talk to strangers

o_o

[vapid moth]

z and x are evasion and cloak respectively

[prisma wind]

Ok what is b

[vernal adder]

bags

[civic palm]

Bags

ALL BAGS specifically.

[fringe ginkgo]

😎 vanish on F4

[supple mesa]

He means b3 lol

[vivid bone]

b3 = mouse button 3

I guess

[civic palm]

WoW truncates mouse button 3 to B3.

[prisma wind]

Ah

[vivid bone]

it says m3 with me though

[prisma wind]

Oh fuck of course

[civic palm]

Could be a Dominos thing? Dunno.

[prisma wind]

Yeah I’ve got FoK and kick on mouse huttons

[vivid bone]

Yeah, dominos

[vapid moth]

so what do yall use j for

[civic palm]

Mouse 4 is Kick, ezpz.

Juild.

[fringe ginkgo]

nothing

[vapid moth]

i have envenom on j

[alpine moss]

I kick with F

[prisma wind]

5 is stealth for me is that odd

[fringe ginkgo]

I kick with F3

[civic palm]

Kinda.

5 is an easy key to hit.

[fringe ginkgo]

5 is my spammable key I always put builders on it

[vivid bone]

waste on something like stealth imo

[vapid moth]

... i have envenom on j

[fringe ginkgo]

6 is my finisher key

[alpine moss]

F = Fuck you stop casting button 😂

[prisma wind]

For some reason I can do 5 and shift 5 so easily but lack the ability do to anything with ctrl or shift 1

[civic palm]

My mainbar is 1 2 3 4 5 alt+1 alt+2 alt+3 alt+4 alt+5

[fringe ginkgo]

I can't reach shift / ctrl so I just use alt +

[civic palm]

I won't go past 5 O _O

[vapid moth]

sigh

[vivid bone]

I can use shift as modifier but not alt or ctrl, fucks up my brain

[fringe ginkgo]

I sit on number keys

[prisma wind]

Ok so what’s stealth for y’all

[fringe ginkgo]

1

[vapid moth]

f

[civic palm]

Middle Mouse...

[prisma wind]

Right right

[civic palm]

It's the only actual choice.

[quick ice]

G

[civic palm]

Anything else is lunacy.

[vapid moth]

i dont play with a mouse mizer

[prisma wind]

I’ll try that

[vapid moth]

i think lunacy fits me well

[quick ice]

Middle mouse is auto run still

[fringe ginkgo]

Middle mouse is my sprint

[civic palm]

o _o

NumLock... is autorun.

[fringe ginkgo]

side mouse is distract

[prisma wind]

Ald-D sprint my guy

[fringe ginkgo]

down mouse wheel is sap

[prisma wind]

Alt rather

[vapid moth]

what do yall use command for

[civic palm]

To exit my Mac computer.

and throw it out the window.

[vapid moth]

lmao. mac jokes

[prisma wind]

I’m actually just realizing

When I strafe left with A using my index finger I use my middle finger on 1 to mutilate

What the fuck is wrong with me

[civic palm]

Yeah.

[vapid moth]

ew

wtf

[civic palm]

There's really no better way to hit that.

[prisma wind]

That explains the arthritis

[deep beacon]

Yeah plotting keybinds is a good idea

[civic palm]

Unless you have a crooked keyboard.

[vernal adder]

or hands

[deep beacon]

I use an orbweaver

[civic palm]

or hands.

I use a KEYBOARD.

This isn't 2006.

[vapid moth]

whats an orbweaver

[vernal adder]

some razer shit

[civic palm]

My fucking

Nostromo is dead.

[split cedar]

nostromo LUL

[civic palm]

NOT 2006, MOVE ON.

[vapid moth]

lmfao

[deep beacon]

yeah n52te was the best

[vapid moth]

why is that no longer in uuse

its genuis

[civic palm]

You have to relearn literally everything.

Quin uses one IIRC.

The new shitty ones.

Not the old tanks.

[deep beacon]

That's the one problem with it once you start using it you cannot play wow without it on ar egular keyboard lol

[civic palm]

I used one in Vanilla along with a bunch of other people from Drunken Alliance.

[deep beacon]

Orbweaver is ok.. not as good as the rubber unglues (I have had 2)

[civic palm]

Now I just have a very nice keyboard, and adapted my keybindings.

[vernal adder]

I lvl in mop without using berserking once, I forgot about it

[fringe ginkgo]

I finally went TKL, so glad I did

[vernal adder]

its nice

[civic palm]

I think like half my keyboards are TKL.

I've like a 30" mouse pad now so I have the room.

Fucker is large enough to replace the entirety of my desk surface 👌

[fringe ginkgo]

I want a desk made out of mousepad

[quick ice]

I've done that before

[vernal adder]

[civic palm]

There you go https://www.pcgamingrace.com/products/glorious-xxl-gaming-mouse-pad?variant=992669111

[quick ice]

If you spill on it it gets super gross

[civic palm]

18 x 36

Stop spilling shit.

It's very nice just having 1 surface.

Also if you spill on it just throw it in the shower and hose that shit down.

[dense grove]

How assn for leveling/killing mobs? I’m not super pleased with how sub plays now (not performance mind you just the feel) so I wanted to try out assn though I’ve never played it. Just picked up relics for my artifact

[prisma wind]

It’s solid, lots of short codowms you can talent into

[civic palm]

Leveling will either be a normal opener, or some jank with Mantle and MFD.

[prisma wind]

I like that about it

[civic palm]

Vendetta might as well be nine-hours now.

But it makes it so that you can solo everything on the map outside of the 5m elites.

[dense grove]

Is the kill speed a lot lower than sub on just generic mobs?

[elfin fossil]

I would say it's even

Or maybe slightly faster

For me atleast

[civic palm]

No idea really.

We get Leeching Poison though so there's that.

[dense grove]

Ok cool thanks for the info

[vernal adder]

sub

[elfin fossil]

And Leeching Poison combined with crimson makes you have like 0 downtime.

[dense grove]

I’ll have to check out wowhead for how I play the damn spec. Last time I played assassination envenom wasn’t used except in rare cases against other rogues in 1v1. Garrote too for that matter (vanilla)

[prisma wind]

Oh god no things are much difderent

[dense grove]

Yeah I realize it’s so different I just have to look into it

[prisma wind]

It’s not hard but it’s different I’d imagine. I love the spec.

[civic palm]

Just check the pins for the basics.

[dense grove]

Is there a teleport skill like backstab on sub?

[prisma wind]

Shadowstep

[dense grove]

Well I meant baked into a skill

[prisma wind]

Other than that nah

[dense grove]

K

[prisma wind]

We have uh

Our main cool down you point at a dude

Which tbf is an improvement animation wise from legion

[surreal rivet]

why are people saying assa is overtuned rn

curious

[civic palm]

Yeah considering in Legion Vendetta looked like MUTILATE MUTILATE MUTILATE

I am not sure who you are talking to, basically everyone has busted stats atm and are "overtuned".

[spice nimbus]

Yeah I mean everything seems overturned at the moment because of inflated secondaries and active leggos

[humble cape]

yo

How much healing does wound poison reduce

[vapid moth]

It tells you

It literally tells you

[humble cape]

It just says reduced for me

[vapid moth]

50%

Or 18% in pvp

[celest salmon]

Hello, i need help with the new patch. I don't know what talents is the best for raiding.

[humble cape]

wtf

thats useless

[vapid moth]

Agreed

[humble cape]

18%

damn

check pins @celest salmon

[vapid moth]

Though I dont know. Maybe it additive with dampening

[humble cape]

I lost to a disc priest

and i got salty

[lone junco]

and Master Poison may buff it some

[humble cape]

so i thought thatd help

but 18% is nothing lmao

if its additive ye

but if its multiplicative it wont do much

[vapid moth]

I lost to a hunter in wpvp

That wasnt fun

[humble cape]

hyave you fought a frost mage yet

[vapid moth]

Theese busted stats are fucked

[humble cape]

it gives me conniptions

theyre also all complete cunts too

sooooo salty

[vapid moth]

At least frost mages run out of escape options

[humble cape]

hmmm...

not for me

[vapid moth]

The hunter legit jumped every time I got to him

[humble cape]

when i get close to a frost

i either get frozen

[vapid moth]

And then burst me in 5 sec

[humble cape]

or he tps

I havent seen any hunters yet

[vapid moth]

Frost all you gotta do is stun them and apply as many ticks as possible. They eventually die to the ticks

[coral moon]

so... assas rogue, first talent tier, whats peoples choices there?

for pve and pvp

[slow schooner]

Blind Side or MP

[coral moon]

are they fairly on par with each other atm? some people say blindside is a little bit better

[brisk forge]

Nah Blindside is most likly be worse then ep, mp but SIM IT!!

[coral moon]

yep good advice ta

[short pivot]

Ep for pvp

MP for consistant poison dmg on boss

Depends on ur other talents too

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vNcG7KWHAFFgNYP8HnmDca

[coral moon]

thanks for all the advice!

[charred moat]

so ravenholdt and sephuz is the way to go is it

[hazy iron]

sim it

not always

[charred moat]

think I have to wait for the site to update my spec hopefully doesnt take too long

I was waiting on the simcraft program I installed which was still on 7.3.5 didnt realise the online one was pre patch

[hazy iron]

yeah raidbots is lit

[strange python]

anny one have a weakaura fix for Bfa?

[prime stirrup]

what kinda fix?

[strange python]

the one i have from infexious isnt working annymore

[thorny plover]

Icy veins legendary list so different from herodmg sims

[severe forum]

what lvl 100 talents and legends are u guys using in m+?

[fallow estuary]

Depends on the m+ level and group

For progress and high M+ i take Shoulders + (Seph/Insig/Bracers) while choosing tempest

For low / farm i take Shoulders+ cloak while choosing hidden blades

because mobs die to fast for tempest n stuff

[severe forum]

alright. only played outlaw and sub so far in prepatch. i mainly do 20-24 keys. guys i'll give tempest a go

guess*

[woeful carbon]

when i use Exsanguinate am i losing any damage if i refresh garrote and rupture after or should i let them fall off?

well close to fall off cause letting fall is obviously a lose

[deep beacon]

@fallow estuary Don't like the idea of using soul blade lego ? Seems ok and you get vigor and MFD

[tepid ridge]

how do we use SM properly now on pull / in fight?

[wet zealot]

i dont know about you guys but im still using Nightstalker i just feel like Subteruge is too clunky. How about you guys ?

[tender folio]

Well Nightstalker is good on low lvl keys

[deep beacon]

I like nightstalker if im going to be able to use it properly on things that don't die too fast

on a low level key going to use NS probably

Also on low level keys non fortified its really almost better to not dwell on the trash dps numbers though it's definitely something people do 😃

[tender folio]

But Subteruge is also pretty good , when you sim both talents there is no big difference at least for m

me

[deep beacon]

Yeah overall not a big deal so far i do both

[tender folio]

y

[deep beacon]

Though with shoulders and Nightstalker can compete with the OP aoe DH that are in the groups 😃

[tender folio]

Im rolling with wrist and sephuz in myth+

[vale marten]

always run shoulder sin m+

and sephuz is useful aswell

[orchid cove]

tbh you dont need shoulders esp on tyrn

[tender folio]

True

[orchid cove]

i guess it depends on how high of keys you do

[vale marten]

the amount of uptime you get when in between packs is always worth

[orchid cove]

you really dont get that much uptime in 23-24s ^

[hallow ivy]

ring/sephuz m+ gg

[orchid cove]

you fok more than you mut tbh

so bracers esp in high m+

[azure bridge]

yea you want to use shoulders especially cause trash dies so fast, fortified different story maybe

you dont lose that much dmg from running shoulders on bosses

and gain alot on trash

[thorny plover]

hero dmg sims are done on what fight lenght?

[orchid cove]

5mins i think

[thorny plover]

ty

[orchid cove]

i guess it depends the dungeon as well

[azure bridge]

yea if its like upper you just go your best st setup

others with more trash shoulders+wrists or sephuz have been working good for me, gonna experiment with cloak today

[deep beacon]

I am using soul of thei highlord so i can get vigor helpson the bosses 😃

[orchid cove]

whut ?

[deep beacon]

Soul of the highlord gives you vigor and you can take MFD lol sorry

[orchid cove]

i mean like 2x fok gives you max cp

thats pretty bad

over 30% execute dmg or / 100% crit

[sand dirge]

highlord 🤔

[fallow estuary]

Soul really isn't that good

[deep beacon]

i do well so far with it if i am comparing myself with others... but just trying different combos and the like

I guess it depends on howwell and how much you want to use MFD

[autumn bloom]

If vigor helps that much you might have low haste/crit

[orchid cove]

you generate so many cps with fok already lol its not worth losing a legendary

[royal bronze]

guys atm I'm running shoulders + soul for m+

what are the other options

about to run a 18 cos

[brisk forge]

Wouldnt go with soul tjo

Tho*

[royal bronze]

Sephuz instead?

[bronze topaz]

if ct is talented do we use it for st aswell?

[deep beacon]

well having vigor will help you on the boss fights, whether it's going to out do the bracers or ravenholdt is another story 😃

[azure bridge]

nexon try sephuz or wrists

soul not worth

[solemn frigate]

any1 know if notters wa is updated?

[vestal wren]

likely not, he has been not that active lately

[gray saddle]

Insignia / sephuz viable in m+ over bracer/sephuz?

I hate that you can’t change gear anymore 😦

[vestal wren]

mantle is probably very strong in m+

[uneven summit]

what´s the best overall leggo choice? Mantle/insig seems strong

[vestal wren]

ye maybe, cant say that there is a legendary combination that consistently beat everything else in all cases

[deep beacon]

Agreed. lol

[strong tusk]

what spell to open on pack with nightstalker? fok?it buffs only one fok?

[nocturne gate]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xcAkCAcEwA1ucLSiFyLD9M

why did raidbots use that low amount of Iterations when i choose 100.000

[vestal wren]

iirc it limites you down to a specific target error

[pure spoke]

I checked the pin and did a search on this channel but I can't find anything about the right opener using mantle. Does it change?

[tender folio]

Its pretty simple

Garrot > Muti > Rupture > Vendetta > Toxic Blade > Spam Muti and Envenom untill Garrot hits 6sec or below then Vanish and Garrot again if you are playing with Subterfuge

[frigid sleet]

APL use vanish to refresh garrote during TB btw

[weak isle]

make sure to get thesubterfuge garrote full ticking

no 6 sec refresh

[tender folio]

Im using it 6sec refreash so i can apply Rupture again in Vendetta window

[deep beacon]

Why do people queue for higher level keys without knowing the dungeon really at all lol

[tender folio]

Beats me everytime

[strange python]

because they expect a carry

[deep beacon]

sorry wrong topic though.. but this is my main channel these days 😃

[ornate quail]

blindside any good ?

[tender folio]

nah

[ornate quail]

would be nice if it becomes competitive with other talents

[tender folio]

Maybe it will on 120

Gotta wait and see

[next yarrow]

when i'm simming sephuz on patchwerk, does the sim result then including sephuz proccs?

[royal bronze]

no

[pure spoke]

The pin says to take blind side 😒

[hazy iron]

the pin also says to sim your self

[pure spoke]

yes ^

[royal bronze]

which pin says blind side?

3210021
2210021 – Pre patch. T1 Talents are close so best is to sim all 3.

Pre patch is 2, only BfA they think Blindside pulls ahead

[merry pumice]

Is there anyway to find a weakaura that I have removed before? I had a perfect Rtb WA that I find online before that I acidently removed.

[spare cloud]

If you have deleted it you will have to find the place where you downloaded it again.

[merry pumice]

fuck my life, cant find it anywhere

[wet yew]

You could look into your WTF folder if you have previous versions enabled in windows

[deep beacon]

You can check wago there's a good chance there's an improved version of that same one

Did they make it so dreadlords does not stack at all with hidden blades ?

[spare cloud]

Additive

[sly timber]

whats bis leggos for assasination?

[north terrace]

the ones that sim best for you

[spare cloud]

@sly timber

[sly timber]

roger thatr

[north terrace]

The pins say what I said

so..

sim yourself

[deep beacon]

Depends what you are doing also

[cinder sparrow]

hello guys. i can't underdtand this pull recommended on Ravenhold website :
Garrote – Mutilate – Mutilate – Rupture – Vendetta – Toxic Blade -…- Vanish – Garrote with ~6 sec remaining on Garrote

Isnt the first Garrot is boosted btw ? so why otherwrite it ? And what to do in -...- between toxic blade and Vanish ?

spam muti/envenom i guess ?

[north terrace]

Garrote pandemic is 6 seconds

[atomic hamlet]

pandemic

[north terrace]

or just under

So you are refreshing the empowered garrote when it will not lose you any time

That's why it says to refresh at about 6 seconds remaining

[cinder sparrow]

ah ok is about pandemic effect

[north terrace]

And generally the answer for what to do after toxic blade is to spam muti->envenom

[cinder sparrow]

like 2 times before -6 sec on first garrot i see

[gleaming geyser]

@cinder sparrow you are overwriting an empowered garrote with another empowered garrote (vanish)

[cinder sparrow]

yeah Pexa ^^

u guys always align vendetta with vanish ? or 1/2 and wait a bit ?

[outer urchin]

anyone has a weak aura that shows in different colour when garrote/rupture are empowered (so you know not to refresh them early)?>

[sonic orbit]

@north terrace are you sure about that? I'm testing it right now and if I reapply empowered garrote <6 seconds my damage ticks immediately go down 100%

[north terrace]

You vanish and do another empowered one at pandemic

Not a regular out of stealth garrote

Then leave that one until it expires and put an unempowered one up right as that one ends

[sonic orbit]

Oh I see, so definitely don't reapply a normal garrote until the empowered one is completely finished

[north terrace]

Also I'm just saying why it is listed that way in the guide, if there is some bug that makes it not work I'm not aware of that

Yeah

So you garrote out of stealth, do your stuff, then at ~6s left vanish and reapply garrote and let that one stay until it's over, but be ready to apply RIGHT as it ticks off the last one so you keep garrote uptime going

[outer urchin]

but

wouldnt be better if

[north terrace]

That's why a lot of people are asking about WA's to show when it's empowered because when fights get hectic you can lose track of wether or not you should apply a normal garrote

[outer urchin]

you let the first empowered garrote drop off

then do a normal one

[north terrace]

Well you let the second empowered garrote drop off then apply

[outer urchin]

and then empower the normal one

so you win the pandemic as dmg

[north terrace]

Tbh that makes sense to me

But I don't write the guides or the sim profiles, so I dunno?

Maybe something to do with vendetta?

[outer urchin]

yes maybe

[rapid flame]

no, that would make sense

[sonic orbit]

garrote has a 6 second cd. So by the time you apply the empowered one then you might as well not have

[north terrace]

I mean garrote CD honestly has very little to do with when we refresh it

It's all about the pandemic timing

[remote wing]

and has no cd when used from stealh with subterfuge

[north terrace]

The shorter CD with prepatch/BfA just makes multi-target better for us

[sonic orbit]

So it would go: apply empowered garrote -> wait for it to finish -> apply normal garrote -> wait till 6 seconds left -> apply empowered garrote ?

[north terrace]

that was what deadly was saying, but the sims have it as empowered garrote > ~6s > vanish and re-empower

Or at least the guides have it that way

the only reason I can think why would be maybe vendetta?

[sonic orbit]

yeah its probably because of vendetta

[outer urchin]

no

cant be

vendetta lasts 20 secs and garrote 18

[sonic orbit]

yeah but you don't activate vendetta until after your rupture

[outer urchin]

so you would only win 2 secs of vendetta-empowered garrote

oh yea true

[sonic orbit]

so your vendetta is basically on during your entire second empowered garrote

well at least half of it

[fluid blaze]

anyone having issue with weak aura tracking debuff ?

[outer urchin]

yes and still dont know how to fix it

[fluid blaze]

the remaining time

non only weak aura

[sonic orbit]

if you using an old WA that is using a custom function to get the aura it won't work anymore. They changed something in the api

[outer urchin]

oh ok thats exactly what i am using

on wago i couldnt find one that shows you empowered rupture or garrote

[main blaze]

Yeah they changed how combat log events are called. I believe you cant call COMBAT_LOG_EVENT or COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED anymore and you have to use CombatLogGetCurrentEventInfo which means that it breaks a ton of weakaura's. This was a blizzard change for bfa

[scarlet sequoia]

!opener

whats the new assa opener

[north terrace]

guide

err checkthe guide rather

[prime void]

So much spoon feeding needed

:0

[shy axle]

What to priorize ? EP uptime with finishers at 3cp+ like early legion or Env uptime 4cp+ finishing

[prime void]

go rewrite the apl

and test it 😃

[lone junco]

That's easy to adjust in the apl. And SOT is gone. So env uptime or ep uptime can be prioritized. May not be best, but good thoughts nonetheless

[plucky cloud]

is it worth spamming crimson tempest in aoe or just once for the dot?

[earnest crane]

just got home anf havbe not kept up on any changes kinda overwhelmed atm lol

[main blaze]

Its also the topic at the top

[lone junco]

@plucky cloud in fortified trash that last long enough. 3x garrote into FOK Ct FOK Ct. it's feelycraft from a rog doing +27-+30 but the sephuz open with garrote is really really nice.

But with more than like 3mobs, the envenom is pretty worthless.

[plucky cloud]

thanks man

will give it a try

[fringe ginkgo]

What other legendary are you using in M+ Noobe?

[deep beacon]

Probably using shoulders

[strange python]

Guys noobquestion here, does crippling poison work/apply in m+ ?

[supple hearth]

yes

[strange python]

Alright thank you

Also, are there any known streamers that streams m+ as Sin Rogue? or youtubers with good povs, looking to improve but I'm not that into the streaming scene

[marble hemlock]

?

wait

richard and tisu shadowblades?

im outta here

[drifting cloud]

ye run while u can

[marble hemlock]

now i know why you did all those boosts, so you could afford the bribe

[vestal wren]

bribe is gone in bfa 😦

[marble hemlock]

how do you feel about your new brethren fuu?

and no self promotion tisu, but ill send him a PM 😉

[turbid frost]

in the guide it says, Finisher on 4+ CP, does that mean i use the finisher on 4 when i dont have to refresh garrot / Toxic Blade is on cd to not overcap?

[vestal wren]

i am fine with more moderation power, we where down to 2 what was a lot to do.
I am okay with new moderators if they respect the rules and do their work

[marble hemlock]

yes pleasur

[turbid frost]

aight, thanks

[marble hemlock]

tisu and work

good one

[supple hearth]

@marble hemlock if someone asks for ur stream like that u can link it to them

just use brackets

[marble hemlock]

nah, ill just PM

[supple hearth]

k

[vestal wren]

<streamlink>

[cedar cloak]

hi guys, i was wondering if the best opener with shoulder + sephuz or ravenholdt is Garrote > mutilate > rupture > vendetta > toxic blade > mutilate > vanish > envenom > mutilate > envenom etc?

[marble hemlock]

god i hate how im so used to using fok at 3CP due to PK relics, and now im still doing it

its such a bad habit

[cedar cloak]

i've checked a few logs and it seems people are using the one i said above

[marble hemlock]

yes pyah

[cedar cloak]

or do i use garrote after vanish bc of subterfuge?

[marble hemlock]

it also happens to be the one in the opener-section of the assa-guide that is linked in the pins

the opener you mentioned is for nightstalker

[cedar cloak]

oh

[marble hemlock]

it changes sligthly with subterfuge, but thats also covered in the guide

[cedar cloak]

ah, i mean i've seen 80% using the opener i stated, but i assume the ravenholdt guide covers the best opener for it?

[marble hemlock]

you generally dont want to run subterfuge with shoulders, its somewhat inefficient

[cedar cloak]

hmm

i might try sim sephuz and ravenholdt then or such

[marble hemlock]

these used to be the openers when KB was a thing, you just change it to mutilate for CP purposes

[wet marten]

guys have main stats for assasination swapped ? 😮

[cedar cloak]

@marble hemlock those are old?

[marble hemlock]

those are pre-pre-patch openers, but nothing really changed except for KB not being a thing anymore

[cedar cloak]

u sure ? they look like 7.3.5

http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

updated for 7.3.5 it says

[marble hemlock]

sry, ment to say pre pre patch 😄

since we still play TB on singletarget that part of the opener hasnt changed, and then its just a matter of whether youre running shoulders+nightstalker, or subterfuge with something like insignia+bracers or sephuz+insignia

[cedar cloak]

ah

[marble hemlock]

so the only part of the opener that actually changes is that we no longer have KB, so you just replace it with a mut instead to still get the 4/5CP finisher you want there

[cedar cloak]

its just bc on the ravenholdt prepatch guide they say:

Garrote – Mutilate – Mutilate – Rupture – Vendetta – Toxic Blade -…- Vanish – Garrote with ~6 sec remaining on Garrote

[wet marten]

guys ?

have assasination rogue main stats changed ?

[cedar cloak]

@wet marten u pretty much want haste rn

[marble hemlock]

its the same in the pic i mentioned pyah, the "vanish when garrote is at pandemic" is when its at ~6sec left

and if youre at 4+ CP after the first mutilate, theres little to no reason to cast another one, obviously

[cedar cloak]

so its ok to use garrote at less than 6sec right? just to be 100% sure

also its not the same bc

[wet marten]

so they went from not wanting haste at all , to prio haste ? wtf...

[cedar cloak]

the ravenholdt one for prepatch uses 2 mutilate in opener in start

[faint heart]

is assasination the best spec atm?

[cedar cloak]

yes

[marble hemlock]

asking that question in the assa channel is kind of a weird thing to ask though 😄

[glass cloud]

we're not biased here at all >.>

[hollow haven]

hey guys

quick question

what best legos for sea +20

seat*

[prime void]

Best spec is not playing rogue. Zzzzz

[marble hemlock]

what talents are you playing?

[hollow haven]

2213323

[wet marten]

cause i got like 76 % mastery and still do like 4-4,4 K single target

[glass cloud]

that's a lot of mastery. what is your haste at?

[marble hemlock]

you might wanna run iron wire instead of prey on the weak if youre playing subterfuge and opening with 3 garrotes

[wet marten]

i got 16 % haste ^^

[marble hemlock]

you can play either sephuz+bracers with that talent-setup, or spec into deeper stratagem and run sephuz+talentring

[hollow haven]

so what legos are the best ?

ok thanks

shoulder not good ?

[marble hemlock]

they used to

but first boss is incredibly bugged, so you dont need the burst there

if youre playing shoulders, youre not playing subterfuge

[glass cloud]

ddamn nice amount of haste for that amount of mastery magifarm. I have something like 45% crit and 21% haste... my mastery is something at like 27% lol.

[lone junco]

I ran Vig ring DS last night. I don't think we pull big enough to get 6cps at once.

[lucid bolt]

heyy guys whats easier to play outlaw or assassination?

[lone junco]

Assassin is a simpler rotation.

[marble hemlock]

or not enough crit noobe 😃

[lone junco]

40c. 24h 40m. Ish.

[lucid bolt]

thank you noobe

[marble hemlock]

so yeah, for seat, either go nightstalker/internal bleeding and play sephuz+shoulders, proccing sephuz with kidneyshot
or play subterfuge+iron wire, run bracers+sephuz or talentring+sephuz (and speccing into DS)

[wet marten]

@glass cloud yeah but i dont know what stats to have now after squish ^^

[lone junco]

I love love the triple garrote sephuz.

[wet marten]

so basicly haste and crit as assasination now ? ^^

[lone junco]

Pretty much.

If you play EP.

[marble hemlock]

it feels a bit inefficient though, by the time you got triple garrote and a CT running you already lost 3sec of sephuz 😦

[wet marten]

omg fuck you blizzard ^^

[glass cloud]

just gotta sim. for me and my stats.... it tells me haste > Crit > Agi > Mastery > Vers lol. I have something like 15% vers

[marble hemlock]

i kinda liked proccing the sephuz with an IB kidney, since IB also generates energy through venomous wounds, and the bleed is also pretty strong

[wet marten]

@lone junco EP ?

[lone junco]

My problem is that outlaw cleave is fucking unreal.

So until we need assassin for tyr. Or fort single lasts over 30sec.

[wet marten]

@glass cloud yeah i got 20 % crit, 16% haste, 77% mastery and 12% vers ^^

[marble hemlock]

id reckon that on lower keys combat is just straightup better due to having better burst aoe

could technically play cloak+HB for lower keys and oneshot trashpacks, but thats pretty boring

[lone junco]

It's def strong as shit.

I am going to try for some cheese tho.

[lost horizon]

the cloak+HB is cheesy af

[marble hemlock]

combat falls off a lot when you run into the issue of whether you either wanna blow a second BF charge on the current pack, or keep it for the next one

sub had the same issue with sod/dfa when packs lived longer than 25sec

[wet marten]

@lone junco what does EP stand for ? ^^

[lost horizon]

elaborate planning

[barren stag]

with master poisoner, is crippling poison the strongest slow in the game atm?

[wet marten]

ah , im still using Master Poisoner ^^

[glass cloud]

@wet marten I have to wait till like aug 8 to get my haste gear i vendored.... lol... these stats are unreal. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5s1wG7uosQi8WgcNVM7Yhv So Much Haste lol

[wet marten]

well i guess im basicly fucked if they made haste prio for assasination.... cause all my gear is based on bleed dmg AKA Mastery / crit / vers gear...

tho this is my fourth alt char ^^

nearly at 2 K mythic + score on my balance druid already, after the squish ^^

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vzqgNyojTKPNbCoTZyotL7

[strange python]

you can try to item restore some haste stuff.

[wet marten]

dont think that will work, cause iv only ran like hc argus the last 2 months ^^ , never been arsed to clear full hc runs in all alts ^^

[strange python]

not sure how your druid m+ score applies here.

[wet marten]

well since i mentioned this is my fourth alt ^^

[strange python]

^^

[lucid bolt]

hey guys can u recommend any weak auras for me? ive never used it before

[strange python]

try browsing the website wago.io and filter by assassination rogue.

[lucid bolt]

im about to try this guy publiks

not sure if its the best but it seems to be the most popular

[strange python]

it's one of the few that is updated for the patch

[glass cloud]

Publik's is pretty good. I started using it. I'll redo my own later, i'm just being a lazy peon

[lucid bolt]

cool okay thanks guys

[wet marten]

mind linking his WA ? 😛

[glass cloud]

https://wago.io/BJhPKf8-X

[wet marten]

ty 😃

and we want mark of the claw as assasination on neck enchant now then id assume ?

[brisk forge]

Sim it, for me satyr Sims ahead

[wet marten]

jeez that WA contained alot of stuff ^^

[glass cloud]

Mark of the claw sims higher for me /shrug

[wet marten]

@glass cloud aight so what in the WA cna i remove ? cause im guessing its for all 3 speccs ? ^^

[past star]

I'd leave it alone it only tracks things for your spec normally

[glass cloud]

that's only for sass lol

[wet marten]

there is no way that all that is for assasination XD

[glass cloud]

it's a lot of ur defenses, and talent choices

[wet marten]

aight, so if i only wanna see the active things then ? XD what can i remove of the WA ?

cause atm its wayyy to much ^^

[strange python]

type /wa and delete what you see fit.

[wet marten]

just dunno what that would be, not a hyped person about WA´s ^^

[past star]

Also is there a soft cap for haste or no?

[sweet flame]

for me, crit and agi surpassed haste at ~26%

agi surpassed crit at ~38%

[stable galleon]

Ya there’s a soft cap for haste.

[wet marten]

aight so what talents are best for raiding / mythic + now ? ST that is ?

[sweet flame]

[vestal folio]

https://i.gyazo.com/f8b69a1ec727a6be5009610075a952f9.mp4

[wet marten]

aight ty ^^

[weak pine]

It means it doesn't matter

[wet marten]

cause this is the talents he is saying to use in prepatch "2210021" , so what talent is 0 ? XD

aight 😛

[barren stag]

an envenom used while toxic blade active will snapshot for duration or no?

[weak pine]

snapshot?

[toxic night]

damn i really miss kingsbane (especially the sound effect lol ) do you guys think it might come back in the future ?

[barren stag]

if I cast envonem with half a second left on toxic blade, will the envenom dot have the toxic blade buff for the full duration? or just the half second left

nvm I'm fucking stupid, envenom no dot

sorry new to rogue

[slow mortar]

I like publik's set, I'll spice it up to my liking but it's a good change from my previous set

[barren stag]

but goal is simple ---- two envenoms in toxic blade window, right?

[weak pine]

As many as you can

You should try pool energy for few seconds before it if you're running low

[barren stag]

do I want to be always preceeding my vanish with a vendetta?

[weak pine]

Vendetta should be used pretty much on CD

[loud light]

vanish usage depends heavily on which talents you went with

[weak pine]

^

Was about to say that

[barren stag]

no shoulders, so I'm using subterfuge, which I think is right?

[wet marten]

i dont think im doing this right, did a borst of 9 K dps , and then went down to 1.9 k

burst *

[scarlet hawk]

Who actually has any success with the 2+4 sephuz Insignia setup?

I suppose you need extremly high ilvl 2set pieces for it to pay off.

tier 20*

[strange python]

the herodamage sims have tier 20 as base mythic level (930)

[weak pine]

Ilvl is not as meaningful anymore

[bold jetty]

isnt melandrus better than sephuz/insignia?

[weak pine]

With the stat squish

[scarlet hawk]

@weak pine Not in my findings.

[vestal wren]

garothi #5 has sephuz + shoulders

[scarlet hawk]

I gained 5% with 6 ilvl, by dropping the 2 set bonus from tier 20

[weak pine]

Well I got +1% by downgrading my hands by 10ilvls

¯_(ツ)_/¯

It depends a lot about the item slot and stat values

[scarlet hawk]

ye

[quaint rune]

hey guys, question... how do you set up your buttons if you are using subterfuge?? is there a good way to do so?

[sweet flame]

my best sims have been bracers + sephuz + melandrus. need to look into shoulders + insignia more tho, as that looks to be performing quite well parse-wise even on longer fights

[quaint rune]

For example cheapshot and kidney shot are both "r" for me

[sweet flame]

I just don't have my action bars page for stealth

[quaint rune]

is there a way to disable that?

without addons?

[sweet flame]

bartender will let you set up paging conditions

dunno about without addons

[sour wraith]

i just put my main abilities in stealth

[quaint rune]

is subterfuge a MUST use?

like would you be shit without it? i would rather not use it but idk how good it is im new to this class

[sweet flame]

sim it, nightstalker can be better

subterfuge doesn't really change that much in most cases, though

[weak pine]

I've switched from Nightstalker to subterfuge

[sweet flame]

you're just tab garrote-ing or pandemic-ing your garrote on the boss

[quaint rune]

cool ill just use nightstalker i prefer it anyways for the open world 😉

dude im so fucking excited to play rogue lol... im going assassin, i used to play feral for 8 yrs.. think thats safe?

[stable oxide]

Is there any comment I need to use to see the best assassination specc after the patch?

[sweet flame]

check the pins

[weak pine]

I heard outlaw will outperform at 120 with the traits

[stable oxide]

Thanks

[weak pine]

But that is up to debate

Since we're in pre-patch

And things are subject to change

[sour wraith]

honestly all specs are fun imo so i'm fine with whatever

[unkempt heath]

outlaw was also outperforming right up until emerald nightmare was opened

[weak pine]

lol

[sweet flame]

hmm, wasn't outlaw outperforming in EN until they nerfed run through relics or something?

I was maining balance druid at the time, so don't remember entirely

[unkempt heath]

it got nerfed ahrd yes

[sweet flame]

just remember our rogues were still playing outlaw for a while

at least throughout progression

[unkempt heath]

it performed really well in mythic+ before en was opened so everyone played it
and because of that it got the nerf bat with the patch that came out around the time nightmare opened and never recovered

[weak pine]

Assa was also outperforming in Antorus with

An unintended result of high mastery numbers and the trait

[sweet flame]

yeah, the poisoned knife relics or w/e

[slow stag]

which one would you guys recommend? mantle, insignia or wrist lego?

[sour wraith]

sim it

they change based on your gear

[sweet flame]

sim it, wrist + sephuz sims best for me

[slow stag]

can i sim it when i dont have the shoulders yet? :p

[sour wraith]

yes

[sweet flame]

yeah

[sour wraith]

do gear compare

[slow stag]

thank you 😃

[granite horizon]

sorry guys for stupid question but what is crucible ring? 😦

[sweet flame]

insignia of the grand army or whatever it's called

the one from the argus quest

[granite horizon]

ooooh

thanks

[trim herald]

Is envenom glitched, it shows up on my details but there is no aura bar to show that it’s applied to my target or when it needs to be refreshed. Am i missing something?

[sweet flame]

it's a buff on you, right?

[weak pine]

^

[strange python]

Probably best spec for rogue in pvp? Damage 😄

[weak pine]

You say PvP

I say Mantle of the Master Assassin

[strange python]

Work Notters Poisenbomb Wa ?

I have hard time playing assa...

Don't know the rotation etc

[weak pine]

One word

Mantle of the Master Assassin

[sweet flame]

put dots on things, hit envenom ???

ez game

[weak pine]

^also that^

[sweet flame]

assassination is super simple to get like

floor-level dps out of

[steep orbit]

too bad there isnt a guide out with the current talents yet

[strange python]

Yea too bad there isn't a proper guide

Anyone on stormscale eu wanna teach me?

Or just wanna teach me outside ogr?

[main blaze]

Not sure if meme'ing or not but there is a guide in the pins

[quartz depot]

someone should write a guide on how to check the pins

[main blaze]

That would require writing up a guide on how to read soo.. Not sure if we should teach them to read or send them back to grade school

[strange python]

where is the pins lol

[main blaze]

There is also a guide as the topic in this channel

At the very top of channel

[strange python]

ah yea OMEGA

[steep orbit]

I read all of those guides before i said what i said... because those guides do not mention a talent tree walkthrough lol

[dense grove]

what should i be doing on mob opener? I garrote+cheapshot (with the 3 sec stealth ability talent) but i'm wasting a second or 1.5

it was easy on (old) sub cuz you could fit 2 ambushes in and a CS but with garrote being a dot i'm not sure what to kill the time with

[steep orbit]

why cheap shot?

[dense grove]

cuz after garrote there's no other stealth skill worth using?

[sour wraith]

mut

[dense grove]

so should i not even take the 3 second stealth skills usable after you leave stealth talent then?

[steep orbit]

exactly my point, so why Subterfuge?

other than that garrote dmg

[dense grove]

that's literally what i'm asking

[steep orbit]

i go Nightstalker still

Using basically the same opener as before with Toxic Blade

ST build

[sour wraith]

if youre raiding subt or ns are competitive, and if using subt you would use it for the garrote damage and then use normal opener (despite being in the talented stealth)

[steep orbit]

MT build

[sour wraith]

subt is better for me so you have to sim it

and multi target subt is more likely better because you can get multiple empowered garrotes up

[steep orbit]

yes, i would agree with D