If u want cookie cutter pve pvp
#assassination
onyx dew
I'm not him, but I run system shock, creeping venom, and either deadly brew or smoke bomb
lone junco
Quality comment string. Where are all the shit posters to bring us back to earth.
jovial kite
yeah i agree with comfy
frank wadi
I resimmed after 27 percent haste and its still my best stat. is it best to keep gemming haste til its not my best secondary?
I resimmed after 27 percent haste and its still my best stat. is it best to keep gemming haste til its not my best secondary?
frank wadi
i got 72k on my rogue, but gonna use those currency pieces to buy gems
silk sundial
Haste gems got expensive
frank wadi
that and i have 3 left and 5 uncuts on my priest
jovial kite
haste value will drop with 4p
silk sundial
Instead of buying the 11 haste gems for 3k gold each, I bought some 7 haste gems for 3 gold each lol
jovial kite
or rather not drop but. Crit will become better
lone junco
A guildy sold a handful of mastery gems for 19.9k.
civic palm
O _O
lone junco
They were wod gems.
civic palm
oh
onyx dew
11 haste gems only 1.2k on malganis
frank wadi
i have those token saved up on my alts to get the uncut ones and just need to find a cutter
jovial kite
frank wadi
I think of tmsean when i think of mal ganis he ruined it for me
jovial kite
tmsean?
civic palm
I should get on my shaman and advertise cutting O _O
frank wadi
once I get rid of my old outlaw chants and gems I will finally get my full normal ant clear and hopefully get tier peices
still sparrow
any idea why the weakaura for garrot from wowhead is not working for me?
jovial kite
@frank wadi gl!!
lone junco
I probably have 800 wod gem crystals on my pally.
silk sundial
Master gems sell for 300g and haste gems are selling for 3k gold on sargeras
frank wadi
tmsean is the mt and rl for wild card gaming
civic palm
What about the WA is not working?
lone junco
Garrote unitdebuff has changed.
still sparrow
i just updated it and the weakaura for rupture and envenoms works
lone junco
Same with rupture.
frank wadi
agil gems sell for 6-7k on zul'jin
civic palm
heh
still sparrow
its not showing
frank wadi
Ty bis for the info I finally understand how sims and stats work
and how folks get percentages
still sparrow
ye :/ just copied from wowhead. same setting as rapture which is working
just wanted to know if this is maybe a common problem or spell id changed or something
civic palm
Whaddaya want it to do? Can make one for ya real fast.
If you copied it from Wowhead and it doesn't work it sounds like there's something on their side that is broken.
jovial kite
Or a accidental not full export/copy paste
civic palm
That could happen yeah.
analog verge
guys, this wa stop working parcialy since preparch someone know why?
still sparrow
hmm
civic palm
Yeah it's prepatch.
analog verge
i cant see the timer of my dots
civic palm
Things broke.
civic palm
If the WA hasn't updated since the 18th it's probably broken.
short lava
Wich legends are going to be the best ones for leveling at bfa? there is any guide for leveling?
hi btw
short lava
thanks you ! 😃
jovial kite
npnp
round harbor
sephuz/crafted leggos are gonna be bis for almost every spec in the game
for leveling
vapid moth
Cloak mantle hidden blades and warmode let's you 1 shot everything
jovial kite
Oh yeah forgot about crafted
silk sundial
Does sap apply the sephuz buff? If so you could just sap things as you run by
strange python
yes it does.
jovial kite
yes
supple hearth
silk sundial
Kil jadens burning wish is supposed to be op at leveling too
jovial kite
ns cloak hb does everything better imo
icy karma
so ex is better than tb?
warm void
Yeah but better with shoulders
jovial kite
tb is the goto talent in that row
warm void
I’m going to go with crafted/sephuz
icy karma
but is there a window where 2 use it or just use it on cd?
fierce ingot
use it on cd but try get 3 envenoms in it
novel girder
lightdrinker dagger ilvl 210
does anyone know where those are from lol
nothing on wowhead
steep mulch
aren't those the Boost a Character Daggers
supple mesa
Why do I see rotations like Garrot > mutilate > rupture > vanish > garrot > vendetta??
novel girder
if so how come boosted daggers outlevel my artifacts lol
supple mesa
That doesnt sound right o_O
novel girder
@supple mesa because subterfuge empowerers garrotes
novel girder
you dont get it. to renew the 100% crit buff from shoulders
supple mesa
but the parse is high so im blown away
yes but why not wait till 6 seconds
to refresh it
why refresh it immediatly
spring zephyr
Wait are u refreshing garrtoe at 1 or 6 seconds
jovial kite
Possible the player sperged
spring zephyr
after stealth
jovial kite
No
spring zephyr
because of suberfue empowers it
jovial kite
U let the one after vanish tick to 0
spring zephyr
Whats the difference between vanish and open tho
vestal wren
pandemic is 30% of durtion
spring zephyr
arent they both empowered both came out of stealth?
jovial kite
yes
spring zephyr
Both garrotes come out of stealth
jovial kite
But u increase duration by 30%
jovial kite
Thats why u refresh opened garrote with vanish garrote at 5.5
vestal wren
you dont lose anything refreshing it in pandemic if both are buffed 😉
spring zephyr
lol
vestal wren
not if you do with vanish in opener
spring zephyr
people are saying different things
ruby badge
It’s really not a hard concept....
jovial kite
i think ur just misunderstanding
hollow rose
vestal wren
yes
deep beacon
I am still not cozy with my M+ talents grrr lol
vestal wren
221oo23
jovial kite
You empower the empowered garrote to gain the pandemic duration in ur vanish garrote
Then you let it tick to 0
vestal wren
or 2230023
jovial kite
@spring zephyr make sense?
limpid solstice
what are you guy's favorite racials rn besides upright orc ?
jovial kite
Troll looks promising
vestal wren
troll is best race due to sims
deep beacon
I am using soul of the sb in m+ atm... kinda nice having both vigor and MFD not sure if it's the best idea but oh well
frank nest
How does Void Elf's Racial compare? Wouldn't all the extra damage on the poisons and bleeds be decently strong?
deep beacon
No clue on damage but i like it a lot now in pvp
north terrace
Does the mag'har orc racial look pretty good for us?
deep beacon
Are m ost of you running vigor or MFD in m+?
north terrace
With haste being good now it looks a lot better than it did when haste sucked is my mindset 😛
frank wadi
is it wise to cast berserking and vendetta together?
jovial kite
Yes
supple mesa
yes
slow stag
could you try to explain how? 😃
slow stag
i use elvui but i cant move the keystone window 😦
supple mesa
I'm sorry I misread your question. I thought you were asking if you could move the key stone after you put it in LOL
I have no idea how to move the window
slow stag
no problem 😃 thanks anyway!
strange python
probably with the MoveAnything addon.
slow stag
😦
civic hatch
anyone had any issues with their garrote weak aura not showing empowered garrote after you vanish, envenom, garrote
playing with subterfuge
strange python
yes
it seems to work on the first target but if I garrote another target in subterfuge it doesnt work
🤷
deep beacon
Overall damage around 234 ilevel decent at around 5.4k? Was a 17 key
frank wadi
is deadly poison still the main go to damage poison?
jovial kite
Yes
deep beacon
This DH we had though was nuts 8.1
icy iris
lone junco
I'm 240. 5400
deep beacon
Well if i have ST gear about 5200 buti change it up for M+ and it sims lower
lone junco
My outlaw kit is like 4800 st. But peak at like 12-15k in m+ trash.
sacred citrus
wait are we supposed to be playing outlaw now?
deep beacon
I use soul though instead of insignia might lose damage but my boss fights are good still
strange python
insignia prob shouldn't be used in m+
unless your comp is so much aoe anyway and you want to focus on st
strange python
should i be using crimson tempest on ST?
no, poison bomb is the st talent
well i mean if i have crimson talented for aoe for m+. should i be using the skill on the boss?
ohh, that i dont know
civic hatch
for me it does less damage over full duration than one envenom so i would say no
twin prism
are the parses for ilvl fucked in warcraft logs right now?
foggy flint
can some1 give me some pvp talents
sacred citrus
how much haste do you have?
vapid moth
19%. but thats not the important part. the important part is how i managed to 3 v 1 some horde
sacred citrus
lol
sick agate
On a target dummy with 100% uptime on rupture my melee attacks still do more damage on the damage meter. is this a gear issue or something horribly wrong with my rotation
flint jetty
Allmelee are like that
sick agate
Just seems like im doing something wrong
100% uptime on all the dots
I do 1.7k but sim 2.5k
flint jetty
Maybe look at the action priority list within the sim
lone junco
Run stat weights. Might be missing something. Then post a lot for review.
flint jetty
They have a sample list that basically shows you your rotation
lone junco
And blindside is < Ep/mp
flint jetty
Also, food flask pot lust make a pretty big difference
lone junco
Probably more rotational things than that.
flint jetty
Probably, Js tho lol
sand whale
you can sim without the buffs if you want
since I see a few people saying their dummy dps is shite
flint jetty
I knew you could turn off lust I just never know how
sand whale
just towards the bottom of the page https://i.imgur.com/61UITdn.png
strange python
with low stats it doesn't surprise me that melee would do more than the bleeds
civic palm
Blizzard telling you to not use Blindside O _O
buoyant kraken
What spec is best for m+ now?
north terrace
are there still pots and flasks that are old that are giving more than current or were all of thos hotfixed?
civic palm
I think most of it was either hotfixed or is being removed from WCL.
north terrace
Removed from WCL as in if it detects you using a non-current one it invalidates the log?
hot copper
Is anything going to replace 4set in the current Azerite traits for Ass?
Spec seems proper energy starved without it. :/
spare hawk
(._ .)
lone junco
Once 4p21 is gone and our crit/haste values tank, I could see vr come back around. Maybe blindside.
Just cause things change.
civic palm
Yeah at least for a Tier unless we get something nice out of Uldir.
runic star
hot copper
Anyway, has rogue traditionally been energy starved - I picked it up in Legion again and I don't recall it to be.
civic palm
Always is with bad gear.
brazen thistle
is master assassin good for m+ for the burst aoe on big pulls? is it worth over subteruge
civic palm
No.
brazen thistle
ok
stiff vale
amber arrow
does haste affect pandemic timing?
civic palm
no
amber arrow
ty
hollow escarp
damn, I never kept on any good shoulders to replace the mantle xD
gaunt isle
is Subterfuge always better than nightstalker? (for dps)
civic palm
no
gaunt isle
When is nightstalker better then?
civic palm
They'd basically tied as is last I checked.
gaunt isle
NS = 50% dmg, SF= 100% dmg, i dont get how they can be tied? on garrote
cosmic grove
blindside is meh?
gaunt isle
but i see people running NS
civic palm
They're tied on total simulated damage.
Not just looking at a singular source.
Blindside is meh @ 110.
gaunt isle
but when would you use anything else in stealth besides garrote?
civic palm
Depends on your M+ group and key, if things die quickly then NS+HB/CT will be better.
civic palm
👌
Also, most if not all SIMs are run ST in a vacuum and I am pretty sure NS and Garrote are tied.
hollow escarp
its so weird having the best stat Haste
civic palm
While 1% isn't anything to scoff at, situations might make one better than the other.
hearty sundial
mfw shoulders seph sims higher than double ring REEEEE
exotic fractal
double ring, shoulders seph, and shoulders insig all sim within 20 dps of each other for me
so im just using what I enjoy most
gritty cave
It would be nice if Venom Rush caused Blindside (if talented) to also refund energy so that they could be used together 😦
short shuttle
If Blindside sims higher than Elaborate and we use that instead, do we only use Blindside with the procs or do we use it with procs and spam it under 30%
Might sound like a stupid question
gritty cave
Good to know
fallen steeple
does shadowmeld work w/ mantle of the assassin and nightstalker?
mental vessel
Mantle and Insig sim the best for me: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hfSZyTo7mphMdZgN8H2ZXM
out of sephuz
n grand army
civic palm
Shadowmeld cannot remove you from Combat during a boss encounter in a raid.
fallen steeple
ive used shadowmeld to not die on a wipe?
civic palm
You were the last alive and not on the threat table anymore.
fallen steeple
and during shadowmeld you can use stealth only abiltities like ambush
no, i was the last alive and the boss was coming at me and i shadowmeld and i live
boss resets
fallen steeple
right becuz sm reset my threat
civic palm
So long someone is generating threat the boss will continue and you will get hit by shit.
The point stands, it doesn't remove you from combat in a raid encounter so long the encounter continues.
and doesn't trigger some talents.
chilly obsidian
But does it trigger subterfuge?
fallen steeple
i still dont understand how to use subterfuge other than mass garroting a mob
civic palm
If Subterfuge was triggered by Shadowmeld you would get the Subterfuge buff from using an ability after the Shadowmeld, easy enough to test.
wind mulch
If it works it won't for long anyway
chilly obsidian
Sorry I'm in a car rn and dont have a nelf rogue
civic palm
If it works then it's somehow more worth it now than over the previous years as well > _>
chilly obsidian
I have a feeling it doesn't
fallen steeple
shadowmeld is great in general for surviving stuff or avoiding having to kill random stuff in the open world etc
not saying its the best racial, but its still great
still sky
Finishers at 4 or 5? or always 5?
steep obsidian
wasting cp is bad
wind mulch
If you won't overfill get 5
steep obsidian
wut?
wind mulch
4 cp, dont mut, bs or garrote for the last point.
wind mulch
Blindside, if you have it talented
fallen steeple
why not BS or gar for last point?
wind mulch
I just said to
fallen steeple
ok
wind mulch
I re read that . Written weird. My b
fallen steeple
best TB time before env?
prisma pond
so I tried blindside in PvP thinking, awww yiss execute. Pretty sure it healed the hunter I hit
wind mulch
Right before. Have you read the guide?
fallen steeple
yes
wind mulch
Priorities are in there
fallen steeple
just relooked, doesnt say anything about "use before env"
steep obsidian
btw if you dont have lots of sticky bombs from the class hall use em up they hit really fkn hard
just not in pvp anymore :
😦
fallen steeple
sadface
wind mulch
fallen steeple
all that says is "when available" not, preferably right before env
same w/ here: https://pastebin.com/Krkpn3Q9
wind mulch
......
steep obsidian
also blindside gives 2cp if it crits unsure if you still use it at 4 cp does the apl do that?
dire spoke
you got your answer Mike, tbh try to understand the ingame tooltips
🤷🏻 don't make it harder than it is
somber egret
are we clipping EP even with 3cp to keep it up or 4-5cp and letting it fall off?
vast pond
Does anyone have a pandemic tracking wa for rupture and garrote? Mine broke :/
fallen steeple
my understanding is its best to let your energy pool before using envenom, so you can cast more abilities w/in the envenom buff since ea cast means youre hitting the target means youre applying DP means youre doing more poison damage
dire spoke
you don't do anything while the envenom buff is up
except clipping it
and there is your TB > Env answer
fallen steeple
yeah i got it Zemp, but alot of times that means waiting to use TB which means not using it on cd like multiple guides state
somber egret
^
remote wing
well pooling has always been a big thing for this spec i always try ot have close to full energy to tb>en>mut ( pray for crit )>en again for the tb window
fallen steeple
right thats what i was saying
somber egret
im getting around 75% uptime on EP but i feel it should be higher
dire spoke
pooling doesn't mean delaying a cooldown, if you're delaying TB you pooled to late
safe idol
Sin is really broken in pvp can easily kill group of players one shotting them lol
keen inlet
You can say that for a lot of specs
surreal rivet
am i supposed to stack haste on assa now?
devout temple
So how is Assasinutions aoe now
devout temple
sub still best for m+?
devout temple
i hate symbols of death
solemn geyser
You probably had been asked this question a million times,but I am new,which seems to be the best spec for raids atm ? Considering there are only 2 pure st bosses
dire spoke
the one you have gear for may be your best spec
solemn geyser
like azerite traits ?
dire spoke
that question you can ask in 1-2 month
you can check the pins for stat prio and decide for what spec you have fitting gear right now
and don't forget to
mossy olive
I hope not.
median notch
well sims for 120 are good for outlaw
surreal rivet
sweet
fringe ginkgo
rugged snow
is there any post right now with the pvp build for assassination
cyan wharf
guys could you give me a website to sim my caractere pls i'm assa and would like to know if what i'm doing is correct thx
tried shadowcraft but seams to not work at all for me
dire spoke
flint jetty
@fallen steeple the list on ice veins is a priority. Not an exact rotation. So if the first action is available you do that, but if one action is unavailable you go to the next item in the priority.
hearty socket
are there any WA's for assassins or naw?
fallen steeple
the list at icy doesn't include alot, including ideal TB usage, ideal vendetta usage, envenom clipping, etc.
civic palm
Guides tend to not include nuance in the normal writing. That kind of thing is usually put into notes later in the guide, dunno if there is anything like that on the IV guide.
frank wadi
is it okay to macro vendetta and serking together?
reef axle
granted we are constantly changing, is double bis still shoulders/insignia...been hearing alot about sephuz creeping in
mellow pasture
and this crucible ring
civic palm
~ CHECK PINS ~ CHECK PINS ~ CHECK PINS ~
nova snow
yes
mellow pasture
damage hero though
nova snow
hero damage doesnt make sense
how is it saying insignia and sephuz with t20 and t21 is doing 5615 dps
mellow pasture
exactly
nova snow
okay
but these builds are to show
what is the best
posion wise
and if my gear is simming close to what is the 'top posion' build
wait why am I taking criticism from an outlaw boi
fiery nest
Criticism?
civic palm
The concept behind Hero Damage is to show what is best with the stats that they used, your mileage will vary.
fiery nest
Don't criticize him miz
thorn badge
Are Maghar orc or regular orc racials better?
timber mauve
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vNKwkGcQ6a9Nsh8PHGrG6U wtb moar sockets, feelsgemlessman
nova snow
roll d bones basically
civic palm
So not that one then.
nova snow
u can get a stat buff
vers,mast,crit,haste
every 2 min? im not sure
but its basically the go to parse race
cursive valley
what first talent do you guys think will be the most used for raiding in bfa?
civic palm
dire spoke
clicking
fiery nest
@nova snow because only people that play sin know how herodamage works? ok bud
nova snow
You're being immature
hardy bluff
🤔 >Doesn't listen cause tagged as an Outlaw player, seems to think he isn't the immature one here
fiery nest
right
stable galleon
So what are the new stat sheets
dire spoke
dire spoke
civic palm
timber pagoda
How do you prioritize vanish within your rotation when taking Subterfuge? Icy Veins says use it before envenom. But I dont see how envenom benefits from stealth unless taking Nightstalker or MA
dire spoke
hardy bluff
Ya'll should just make a bot that drops every 60s
daring atlas
How do you guys feel about thishttps://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/8zdhmb/legendaries_for_leveling_your_bfa_guide/
dire spoke
Not like it's hard to get more than 5 legendaries until August
Nice effort for clicks, but useless article
timber owl
so haste is the best stat ST now XD
weak basalt
you guys been seein a big increase in rogues btw ?
hardy bluff
Seeing lots of Outlaw atm
weak basalt
really? Im eu been seeing majority assas
hardy bluff
Walked into class hall dummies today and i'm 99% sure everyone was swinging thunderfury
Most of the more geared rogues i've seen are Assas though
dire spoke
Indeed I was referring to clicks with "important content" within the platform, so nice delete
solid wharf
Is it better to Mutilate at 4 CP or better to use Envenom at 4 and reset your CPs?
civic palm
ENV or RUP @ 4CP
solid wharf
Ya what I was wondering
if it was worth the extra damage for that 1 CP, or if the energy and 1 CP wasnt worth using Mut
quick cipher
if your garrote is less tehn 5.5 secs andnot impowered you can garote for 5th cp
solid wharf
Ya I either Garrote or Blindside proc if I have it for the 5th
But if that doesnt proc or Garrote is on CD
dire spoke
you finish at 4+
solid wharf
was wondering as a last resort if Mut at 4 or finisher at 4 is better resource use
quick cipher
yup
civic palm
If you don't have the T20 2p I dunno about garroting @ 4cp due to its' energy cost.
jovial kite
@solid wharf using finishers at 4 is better resource use
proven hound
wtf assanation now is a haste spec like outlaw ffs here goes another 1k gold for re enchanting and gemming
civic palm
ohNo1k O _O
proven hound
they need to leave stats alone for once
jovial kite
Im actually happy with this change
proven hound
considering all my gear has mastery on it im kind of fucked
jovial kite
its not the squish
steep obsidian
haste loses a fair with mass aoe cleave at least on live with the current 4p
jovial kite
Its the hasted bleeds
dire spoke
I know 🙄
jovial kite
and i like that we have definite stat prios for st cleave and aoe
proven hound
90% of my gfear has mastery on it so i cant even stat right at this point thanks to the change in stat prio
jovial kite
item restoration?
proven hound
what would that do lol it wont change stats on my gear LOL
ill just run around wqith 68% mastery till launch i guess
proven hound
63% mastery cuz mastery used to be the main stat till blizzard screwd us over RIP rogue main o well ive got plenty of choices
dire spoke
why didn't you keep haste gear since month because they announced it
halcyon badger
Dear lord some people are hopeless
craggy needle
is it not inflated for others' sims?
dire spoke
raid simulations have health decreasing linear
jovial kite
it is
in reality right now, you get like 10 sec uptime
Whereas in sims its closer to 30
dire spoke
raid simulations have health decreasing linear
proven hound
10/14of my peices are mastery items lol i knew blizzard would change something so the last 4 weeks was just for show i guess thanks blizz u screwd up agian
jovial kite
so in reality target hp decreases faster
jovial kite
yw
dire spoke
@proven hound you should have been here month ago and would have known about it
you screwed up
proven hound
lol im not the one who changhed the stats so stfu on blaming me for blizzards doings
jovial kite
lol
dire spoke
nice
steep obsidian
you really dont need to min max your gear for the end of the patch or levelling
it doesnt matter
doing a few hundred dps on what is now trivial content won't change anything
dire spoke
no no no, rogue is unplayable now
fiery sage
tbh atm in beta sin are so far behind the other specs in ST and MT
fiery sage
haha ❤
prime void
frail harbor
i kinda dont understand how assa works in M+ Rupture should be on how many targets ? at 4 points or any ?
warm parcel
all
frail harbor
iam going to have hard time with energy then :S and take long time
warm parcel
The more ruptures you have the more regen you have
mystic lava
The more ruptures you have out, the more energy you regen
warm parcel
after a few targets youre permacapped with energy
mystic lava
^
frail harbor
good to know that 😄 < new to rogue
dire spoke
@prime void what's up babe
novel lake
Im new to playing rogue and im having problems tracking all my bleeds on 2/3 targets. Does anyone have some advice or ideas of how to manage this. thanks
warm parcel
Nameplates
dire spoke
multi rupture weakauras
novel lake
Weakauras display above the name plates or just placed on your screen ?
novel lake
ok thanks , its not something ive used before . i have used tellmewhen in the past
fallen inlet
I can send you my rupture mutli target one if you want
novel lake
sure , some ideas would be great
fallen inlet
One thing I am trying to figure out though is
How to limit the number of "multi targets" that it will show
I assume it can be done via a custom function but meh
terse whale
weelky or nightly for sim atm?
novel lake
hehe
warm parcel
always nightly
fallen inlet
If you CT a huge pack my computer blows up the FPS
dire spoke
why would you limit it when it's not worth rupturing many targets
terse whale
thx @warm parcel
fallen inlet
its deadly poisoin and CT that cause issues haha
It's probably not required to track that but i dont mind and it would be cool if you could only say have 5 up at once.
But my FPS divebombs when i light up a 15 pack
warm parcel
You can jsut not track ct or dp
fallen inlet
True
warm parcel
WA can again do what ever you want
steep obsidian
wa can do anything the wow api lets it
fallen inlet
Yeah just no immediate options to put a number to the instances of the multi target. So i would need to learn it 😃
steep obsidian
although you might need some coding konwledge to do advanced things
steep obsidian
eww
terse whale
nice !
dire spoke
dire spoke
or 19 pantheon
steep obsidian
or that
terse whale
15pantheon 360sec with shoulder and sephuz:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6i2czS8GdAf7a4ZLC4HXTb
timber owl
fixed_time=1 doesn't work in Raidbots advanced options or am I missing something?
dire spoke
lol
terse whale
xD
terse whale
i'll set it to 4 ! let's see
terse whale
@gusty kestrel thx for the help
dire spoke
@prime void https://78.media.tumblr.com/6dcafddb27e60bfbe67fef6b11e40d8a/tumblr_mhaorbrvXm1rmf1geo1_250.gif
timber owl
my stat prio changed from mast>=vers>crit>haste to haste>crit>vers>mast
should've stored all these nasty haste fingers/wrists/waists/whatever
terse whale
that's right wenoxer i'm glad i've stored them !
timber owl
I managed to store some meme Wrists only :FeelsBadMan:
brisk forge
I really need a seeping simming 6.25 w/o 🙁
brisk forge
Its a common rule, always store every piece of gear you got 🙃
zealous dew
you can't store when you pass for others 😃
brisk forge
Be more greedy 👌🏻
dire spoke
be more rogue
zealous dew
who cares about gear now, gonna replace it in 6 hours of bfa
timber owl
ye, idk if it was worth or not to store some meme items
terse whale
i gave a 985 shadow-singed fang to a guild mate
i don't regret at all now xD
dire spoke
I still play with soul capa
brisk forge
But i was a retard since i deleted my seepingf for unknown reason xD And my alt have used the restor 15 day thingy
dire spoke
what do you mean replace
brisk forge
Always nice to have something to focus on in Prepatch 👊🏻 @zealous dew
dire spoke
yeah @zealous dew
timber owl
xd
young root
morning peeps
brisk forge
Hope my millions of gold will be enough 🙈
But you never know when a girl join your guild xD
zealous dew
😮
young root
what's the gem to use on that prismatic socket on leggo ring? on warmode btw
dire spoke
zealous dew
timber mauve
atomic hamlet
For me Mantle + Sephuz sims highest as well .
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x1YgoypVHRJE3Eti5seTCH
brisk forge
🤜🏿👌🏻
zealous dew
dire spoke
@young root whatever sims best for you, or the agi one
timber mauve
mantle+seph sims higher for me, but seph/raven perform better in raid for me, dunno
toss up at this point
young root
@dire spoke cheers
brisk forge
Slow kill times 😜
timber owl
Ahhh
Seems like raidbots is using fixed_time="1" by default 😦
was hoping that it was turned off and thus cinidaria would be undervalued
but nvm :<
orchid cove
is it not worth to garrote twice in the opener to pandemic an extra 5.4?secs?
jovial kite
no
You vanish garrote at 5-6 seconds
if you garrote twice you overcap the duration and waste uptime
orchid cove
i guessi just felt like the extra 5.4secs would be more dmg than not doing it at all, wtv
jovial kite
Also you lose ep uptimes for atleast 1 extra gcd
it is
But thats why you refresh it during pandemic
orchid cove
well i can still fit my first envenom in my vendetta into my rupture's ep
jovial kite
If you garrote twice in a row you lose like 10+ sec
orchid cove
i was just saying to get a 24 secs subt garrote on the opener
and then another one with vanish
if the 5.4 was worth thats all
jovial kite
not worth
orchid cove
okok
jovial kite
Like i said its worth to refresh on pandemic 😄
orchid cove
yeah i know that
i was just asking if the first garrote of the fight was worth 2x
thats all
dire spoke
if you use garrote twice you will override the empowerment
jovial kite
You dont though
orchid cove
no you dont
jovial kite
If u run subt
quick ice
he's assuming he uses it while still in subt zempai 😛
orchid cove
you're still in subt
dire spoke
now I understand
terse whale
hidden satyr is realy worth compare to mark of the claw?
terse whale
okok
round harbor
https://gyazo.com/c5691bd0d383d38a74e970902d8addd4 Ct feeling good in dungeons this just a quick 21dhtr
dire spoke
okay
quick cipher
ok trying to sim the belt and raid bots is not using it any ideas ive tried several times now and nothing
orchid cove
CT is just a more consistent Old PB
timber owl
idk but imo when ur siming cinidaria, you should do fixed_time="1" sim, then fixed_time="0" sim, then summarize both sims and divide it by two; that way it will be more reliable
because unless something changed recently, and it probably did not, then cinidaria is undervalued with fixed_time="0" and overvalued with fixed_time="1"
timber owl
xd
dire spoke
@quick cipher no reason to sim belt, it's bad in a real environment
jovial kite
As you have 14 other dps to drop the first 10% in real raid
timber owl
thats what i just said
jovial kite
Its accurate if you hit a dummy
timber owl
cini is overvalued if you use fixed_time="1", and undervalued with fixed_time="0"
quick cipher
ok ty was just wondering is all mantle raven sims best for me for now
jovial kite
Fixed time has nothing to do with it
round harbor
Sephuz bracers sim for me top lol
quick ice
plus, as I always like to point out, there isn't a boss I know of where the hardest part is 100-90%
timber owl
look, with fixed_time="1", every % of the boss HP lasts the same
without fixed_time="1", it does a guess on how long it will take based on YOUR gear
so without fixed_time, belt gets undervalued
with fixed_time, it's overvalued
timber owl
im explaining to a dude how to make cinidaria sims more reliable 🤔
jovial kite
its still irrelevant 😂
round harbor
But cindaria is weak no matter what
dire spoke
this was discussed on legion start tbf
timber owl
why is it irrelevant?
round harbor
The core concept of it is flawed
timber owl
guy wants to sim cinidaria
jovial kite
because no matter how you turn it
The sim isnt reliable
Even if you try to tell him it is more reliable
timber owl
yeah! so I explained to him how to make it more reliable 😄
jovial kite
Theres a reason cini was omitted from sims
timber owl
surely, it's still far from accurate, but more accurate than just simming it straight away
jovial kite
more reliable from 0 reliability is irrelevant
quick cipher
also im assuming no more surge of toxins procs
dire spoke
now I want cini minis
quick cipher
lol zem
dire spoke
timber mauve
from bk?
kindred flame
Single Target: 3210021 That means that 4th and 5th talent option dosen't matter? And atm for T1 talent blindside is optimal?
Wanna double check did i read it correctly
jovial kite
0 talents are entirely optional
And doesnt affect your sim results
As to what is optimal for you, you should sim it yourself
As they vary from player to player
kindred flame
Well i haven't been playing since Nighthold, don't think there is any reason to sim myself atm, but guess i was reading it correctly. Thanks for the answer
jovial kite
Yw
deep beacon
I am doing ok in M+ with soul of the highlord, mantle and CT, MFD and the like. I don't have the best gear and usually am around 4k overall dps sometimes higher and on par with guys 5-10 ilevels higher.. still working on being optimal on big packs.
nimble tartan
play ds instead of mfd ez clap
dire spoke
nintendo ds
pallid quarry
everyone sims with pantheon trinkets and im wondering why my sim dps is so low 
pallid quarry
ok bye over more than 200 over me https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mTEkLDFpqLQdQvPqwgGAbK
dire spoke
haste food was poop for me
pallid quarry
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3q7QHeW8EkVhnrongd84e6 without haste food
pallid quarry
insane increase 🤔
meager ice
what neck enchant should we be using
pallid quarry
hidden satyr sims best for me
meager ice
tyyt
cosmic pier
does patchwork have any interupts in the APL regarding sephuz?
warm parcel
no
cosmic pier
guess i should put it on then
warm parcel
you need to set boss casting then too
cosmic pier
kk, just wanted to make sure the sim wasn't assuming interupts being available, guess the raw stats are just pretty good
warm parcel
they just are
deep beacon
MFD is extremely good in M+ once you get used to it
cosmic pier
what tier2 talent are you liking with it?
deep beacon
I just use subterfuge usually since garrote is pretty good to get up ona few targets IF they key is like a 15 or something
If it's a lower key probably mantle with NS
It's kind of sad really though the only reason to do that is personal glory lol 😃
slate tulip
hello, whoud any of You consider picking exsanguinate insfed of tx for fights like imonar/aggramar/argus ?
toxic blades*
deep beacon
I also use the soul of the highlord as I really enjoy the MFD and vigor for the boss fights
Can you usually match or exceed my sim on bosses in with vigor and I don't lose the MFD
I created a skull large WA that shows up when MFD back a bit transparency lower so it doesn't look too intrusive this way can easily react to big pack interaction... so nice to get a series of 4-5 MFD off with either envenoms or CT in rapid successsion as stuff dies
fiery olive
Do we have a haste cap ?
vestal wren
maybe
fiery olive
yea working on that
solar willow
i assume when your sim says your crit is more valuable than your current haste on your stat weights that's when you know you have enough?
i'm saying this from the top of my head i don't actually know
quartz depot
maybe that just means you dont have enough crit
vestal wren
hehe also consider multi target 😉
solar willow
what are the stat weights for 2+ targets
weary tundra
For the sin guide pinned on top, I'm assuming the rotation listed is for BfA and not prepatch correct?
solar willow
i assume Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste as listed in the pin but i'll sim and see myself
warm parcel
A quick look would show that you want haste until you reach gcd lock
solar willow
Note: Simming for Talent/Legendary setup is recommendet(edited)
(recommendet)
warm parcel
So it would change depending on your amount of targets
coral warren
Is it worth lining up toxic blade buff with the envenom buff? or better use toxic blade on cd?
warm parcel
Currently on live its super easy to reach
solar willow
it depends
coral warren
sure I am listening carefully 😃
solar willow
the general idea to use it asap
the only thing you'd worry about it is have a lengthy rupture before hand
you don't want to rupture while in tb window
either let it drop off
vernal mauve
So any time I try to sim myself for the top gear and add more haste to my gear it tells me not to. I feel like I could use more haste
wind mulch
What's your %
solar willow
then worry about the cp you have the general idea again here is to not waste CP
if you have TB ready but have 5CP use finisher and then use your builder then use TB
coral warren
so imagine I have TB ready in few sec, my rupture is close to drop off, I have 5 cp ready. In that scenario it's better to envenom > TB > build 5 cp to rupture?
solar willow
i don't think you should worry about having envenom buff on before using tb someone with more knowledge can come in and correct me
solid nova
If your rupture is close to dropping off and youre at 5 cps
Id refresh rupture first
Then move into a TB window
As you should be able to refresh in pandemic and be fine
warm parcel
Yea if you can, refresh rup prior to tb
strange python
You want to fit at least 2 envenoms inside tb.
So dont envenom first.
But.
You also want tb to be in EP.
coral warren
ok so I would rupture first then I build cp again (4 in the best scenario) > TB (to gain the fifth cp) > envenom?
solar willow
(In that scenario it's better to envenom > TB > build 5 cp to rupture?)<---- this is very wrong you should rupture> mutilate > TB> envenom
warm parcel
This is what a quick run of haste on 3T looks like for 120 char in average HC gear
https://i.imgur.com/ueop8pt.png
So as you can see haste definitely is valuable on aoe until you reach gcd lock
After that it likely falls last
coral warren
Ok I get it thxs for the answers
strange python
All this haste focus is gonna indirectly buff poison bomb right?
strange python
i mean in single target
warm parcel
This has nothing to do with single target
weary tundra
people posting 6k+ sims.. how many pantheon trinkets do you sim with?
pallid quarry
the pandemic timer for garrote is at 6s right? or is it 6.2? Figuring out for a weakaura
warm parcel
Where as this is what crit looks like
https://i.imgur.com/DKKENQ2.png
So as you can see haste definitely can be interesting on aoe
solar willow
what is the x axis for (stat delta)
delicate pond
Amount of secondary stat
warm parcel
So it reducts from the base profile
Base profile has set amount of each secondary stat to begin with
solar willow
and this is for third tier?
warm parcel
For what?
warm parcel
targets
solar willow
oh
nocturne gate
how worth is sephuz on argus ?
in normal scenarios sepuhz is like 200 dps behind my current setup but i dont know how much value the procc has
warm parcel
doesnt proc in sims
nocturne gate
ah ok and how can calculate the value of it ?
warm parcel
By advanced sims
little dagger
Just to be sure, Bracers aren't working anymore, are they ?
vestal wren
they are still good
little dagger
I mean, they aren't buffing my bleeds and poison anymore
As far as I've tried, so maybe it's a UI error, but even on logs and such, bleeds are the same from 100% to 0%
vestal wren
that seems like a bug then
little dagger
Oh my
vestal wren
in best case only a combat log bug like secret techniques
weary tundra
are draenor pots still best pots to use?
reef axle
Sin rogues, honest opinion, do we like where sin is atm? or are they slightly over tuned :)?
vestal wren
for pre-patch or bfa?
reef axle
hmm too soon to see bfa, but if we stay the way we are, for launch.
vale marten
take off your legendaries and how you play now will be how you play at 120
its kinda sad but it is what it is
vestal wren
sin is def. one of the strongest specs in pre-patch
reef axle
true but so is anyone else reliant on leggos
exotic glen
i think sin is fine
vestal wren
i dont think anyone will argue that its bad to be in that spot
exotic glen
only thing i dont really like is vendetta without artifact and its on GCD
other than thats its pretty cool
fiery sage
atm sin is good yes, but in beta at 120 they aint nowhere near the others at 120 350 ilvl+
steep obsidian
sub seems very decent rn too
deep beacon
@fiery sage No way to substantiate that statement considering that by the time people are 120 the variation of 120 that you played on the beta will be tuned, different, hotfixed, etc.
timid remnant
which legendaries for ST?
strange python
if you where to track subterfuge.. ( use to be a buff not anymore ) any ideers ?
fiery sage
yes ofc but i said ATM not now
deep beacon
mine still tracks for some reason... at least I figure it is 😉 or you can just remember it
I used a special custom weak aura for it to make it look better than just an icon
strange python
@deep beacon if that was for me / i used tmw for it. but tracked buff / now its a stance, but for some reason i can´t track those 3 sek we can use it out of stealth.
lapis plover
I have a 174 Convergence. Is it's effect worth a substantial amount? Like more than a 195 Gorshalach's Legacy?
nocturne gate
@warm parcel is there any guide where i can see how i does it ?(simming sephuz)
gaunt isle
i thought gorslasch was shit? @lapis plover
warm parcel
You need to have
casting_patchwerk
and have kick in the apl
lapis plover
I honestly have no idea, very new to rogue. It has haste on it though which is the new king stat, right? I'm just not sure about the ilvl difference
gleaming geyser
CoF is shit. Agg legacy is good, esp on cleave/adds
lapis plover
ah, okay. thank you.
warm token
Why did the Poison bracers slip from BIS once 8.0 dropped? I was looking st IcyVeins and Ravenholdt ring in Bis followed by Shoulders
warm token
Womp ...
vernal atlas
judging by footage available from lvl 120 m+ sin seems to be quite strong.... whoever tells you they suck, do your own research first before you blindly believe in their word...
wooden osprey
New Sin here as of yesterday...after my opening rotation, what are my priorities? Keeping garrote up...using envemom on 5cp if garrote is up?
kindred flame
Hello, in which channel i can ask question about weak auras?
deep beacon
If it's rogue related I personally don't mind you asking though I am a pleb scrub and a nobody here so you might want to PM me 😃 LOl
nocturne gate
look at the guide at the top of the page
wind mulch
Are all these peeps simming 6900 like 260 ilvl?
strange python
wtf theres ingame voice chat now?
steep obsidian
Patch 2.2.0
“Voice Chat!”
Release (US)
25 September 2007
Voice Chat - The new Voice Chat feature is now available in game
but yeah the in game one is pretty good now
its just the same as the one in battlenet and overwatch
strange python
ohh i see
steep obsidian
the first part ofmy post was actually sarcasm 😛
the voice chat patch was a tbc meme
but yeah now its good and no reason to not use it for pugs
azure bridge
we are using old war now right?
sturdy python
The guide doesnt account for shoulder opener. Id assume its siilar with garrote>mut>rupt but curious where TB would fit in now
strange python
oh lmfao
shy mica
What build are u guys going for pvp?
gleaming geyser
@wooden osprey keep garrote up, keep rupture up, EP uptime (refresh at 0.1), EP/Env uptime during TB
If you are using shoulders, get 4 cp and pool before vanish garrote
@sturdy python garrote mut rupture mut vendetta tb envenom ep uptime and vanish when garrote is at 5
strange python
someone who started sin rogue yesterday might not understand those acronyms. And someone who started yesterday probably doesn't have the gear to use EP.
gleaming geyser
He used thos acronyms in his post
faint sleet
Have you guys tried (on beta at 120) playing master assassin with hidden blades for the vanish/envenom/FOK opener?
sturdy python
Im not new, my problem is if vendetta is in there your second envenom doesnt hit inside shoulder buff
because it adds a gcd
unless im just lagging
tight fossil
how is assassination looking like in in BFA right now? M+ wise
strange python
you can check the sample action sequence in a sim that uses shoulders.
are you using subterfuge or nightstalker with shoulders?
gleaming geyser
I believe the simc apl does garrote mut envenom with shoulder opener
sharp nova
I go for garotte,mutilate,rupture,vendetta,toxic blade,vanish,mutilate, envenom
strange python
you're right, but that's odd. @gleaming geyser
I guess vanishing for 6s garrote is better than vanishing during tb.
the apl seems to vanish exactly when tb falls off lmao.
strange python
sharp nova
Hes talking anout delaying vanish
strange python
I thought you were arguing about the vanish timing,
shrewd pine
with SF you vanish at max garpandemic
no, I was arguing someone saying your opener with shoulders is gar mut enve
sharp nova
Yea ik
gleaming geyser
I didnt say it is envenom you "mongo"
tight fossil
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