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#assassination
exotic frigate
Hey guys, how do I install the nightly builds of simcraft, once downloaded?
stark heart
Download once again
terse citrus
what is better details or skada
stark heart
And again
deep solstice
I got it to work....was an issue with my graphics card
fiery nest
details > skada > nothing > recount
terse citrus
ty
nimble tartan
ALRIGHT MY BOYS WHATS THE LEGS AND TALENTS FOR MYTHIC+
nimble tartan
vring with ds 🤔
ok i big brained this build to chain thicc ass cts from stealth https://i.imgur.com/aK9SYX7.jpg
silk fjord
What's this discord for
nimble tartan
for the memes
silk fjord
lone junco
@nimble tartan it's Vig DS. For CT spams.
silk fjord
No clue what that means
lone junco
Carry in the cps. And do that anyway.
nimble tartan
thats true...................
lone junco
But you are close to seliathans build for now.
nimble tartan
who dat
nimble tartan
ok ill do DS
lone junco
Does like 29s and 30/.
shrewd night
More like giga brain M+ sin
nimble tartan
what else does he do
nimble tartan
ye but it was to buff the ct with ns not the fok
nimble tartan
this si true tho i can just carry some cp over
nimble tartan
what he pick at 30
shrewd night
Why wouldnt it be?
civic hatch
didnt think belt would bis
deep beacon
I still am using PB for the ST bosses on tyrannical and it seems to proc a ton now
shrewd night
PB has double proc rate but hits like limp noodle
warm parcel
I mean proc was increased
nimble tartan
wish details seperated intitial hit ct from bleed
warm parcel
O it doesnt?
nimble tartan
nope
warm parcel
Shame
nimble tartan
yeah the ct spam did feel good on like imps in CoS when i just chain my shoulders out of stealth into vanish
but i think that fok wouldve been the same
wait nvm im dumb
nimble tartan
mantle feels real good for these shorter boss fights too you could drop mantle for master assassin and get like 90% crit at my crit levels right now
but idk what legendary would feel as good as mantle in these short boss fights and trash
nimble tartan
ye i think mantle is like a hard lock
fast grotto
anyone has tried the neck enchant mark of the claw , or satyr is still the go to?
vernal atlas
wait, wait, wait... you can actually sim stuff?!?!?!?!
copper sinew
Well, I can - can you?
jovial kite
no
vernal atlas
nah I can't...
copper sinew
shit
weak isle
so you guys recommend spamming or reaplying ct?
nimble tartan
its so weird when u are at like a critical mass u dont have time to like use vendetta or tb
feels like a huge loss to even stop spamming
deep beacon
im sure hes spamming FOK and CT since in a big pack it will generate a lot of CP
deep beacon
really depend on how long the adds will last i suppose
weak isle
ye i use fok to generate, ct refresh, keep the normal rotation up
deep beacon
which is multi dotting with rupture / garrotte as required
weak isle
just an extra dot
royal bronze
would ct only pull ahead in higher keys (18+) when trash isnt insta dying or even in 15-16s?
weak isle
think it would come more handy on longer living packs ye
deep beacon
I think that you need to determine if you want more aoe or ST depending on the dungeon, the level of key, and the afffixes
copper sinew
Probably depends on pack size as well
solar willow
on the icyveins guide did the guy fuckup the trinkets? the guy is saying shadow singed fang is pulling ahead but when i saw the spreadsheet it was scourgewing best
deep beacon
That will sorta determine if you want to take CT over PB
royal bronze
ye
deep beacon
@solar willow Trinkets probably are not updated that fast there. I know bloodytrinkers is already updated with changes from the otedyer day
grave coyote
What're the best talent choices for Single Targ now?
shrewd night
@solar willow As always, sim yourself. Dont read trinket lists.
copper sinew
@grave coyote Check the pins, maybe?
royal bronze
so what would the avg rotation look like on lets say pack of 3? gar->fok->rup->mfd->ct?
im a pretty nubby m+ rogue but i consistently do like 15s
copper sinew
You'd probably use 3 Garrotes with Subterfuge, wouldn't you?
deep beacon
Trinket lists are fine to read. But yes sim yourself
royal bronze
running this talent list that the other guy linkex
would it make ns pull ahead or no
solid nova
deep beacon
Check the pins, though no way to tell "what's the best" until you sim yourself
deep beacon
It's all relative to what you have
weak isle
what i do with ct aoe is (including shoulders leggo) gar > mut > rup > tb > mut > ct > vanish > Env
if it includes a boss
like raiding or smthing
copper sinew
No Vendetta?
copper sinew
^^
weak isle
after rup
royal bronze
i see i see
weak isle
not forget its with shoulders
weak isle
dunnu your leggo
royal bronze
i run this atm
nimble tartan
just thiccker ct spam
solid nova
No point using vendetta on an add that will die in 5-10 seconds.
deep beacon
@weak isle Not using MFD in M+ ?
copper sinew
He said "if it includes a boss"
weak isle
nah that is what i did on high command
copper sinew
So yeah, there's a point in using Vendetta
vernal atlas
But also try out the simd result. my sim was actually not correct in terms of actual dps
copper sinew
With Insignia?
weak isle
on packs, no bosses
nimble tartan
i feel like theres no time to do anything other than fok ct in packs
royal bronze
to multidot the 3
nimble tartan
like it feels bad to even apply a rupture
warm parcel
CT spam overtakes CT normal upkeep given enough targets
royal bronze
yeah omr
shrewd night
@vernal atlas buffs and food/flask/pots can account for 1,1k dps
royal bronze
i felt like tha ttoo
that too*
by the time i apply rup garrote with my current build mobs norm die
weak isle
and ye would fok if more targets
warm parcel
So if you pull like 30 mobs obs you just go full on mongo
royal bronze
thats hwy i wanna swap to ct build to try it
weak isle
so not worth going to rup them?
warm parcel
It needs testing
weak isle
atleast your main target not?
royal bronze
has anyone here ran any keys above 15 with ct?
warm parcel
Math wise
We dont know
At only a few targets its better to just refresh ct normally
But given enough targets itll be spam
red gazelle
I used my boost on a rogue and decided to do Sin with her since my other was Sub and Outlaw. I never played it before and am really struggling on rotation and spec. Is Sin really picky when it comes to specs?
Or am I just being a noob lol
shrewd night
Sin is arguably the easiest one to get into 
copper sinew
You'd be struggling with every spec you've never played before. Just practice.
red gazelle
I’ve been playing this game for 11 years and only Maine’s Sub with occasional Combat/Outlaw
royal bronze
gali just run 2210021 and just use normal rotation on RH
red gazelle
Mained*
royal bronze
which is gar>mut>rup>ven>tb>mut>env
its pretty straight forward
then just reapply finishers at 4+ in windows
red gazelle
So I was doing the right rotation. Maybe it’s spec then but specs don’t seem so picky with Sin when reading them
jovial kite
And insane value from haste
jovial kite
its neglible
royal bronze
kkkk
jovial kite
last patch you were supposed to open with vendetta so
i see no reason why that wouldnt be the case now
copper sinew
With the amount of haste you'll have with lust you'll probably waste no more than 10 energy or something
royal bronze
i see i see tu
jovial kite
As we get more value from lust now
jovial kite
Yes
weak isle
hmm
royal bronze
u could even ven before true?
royal bronze
yup
jovial kite
on lust pulls id vendetta garrote mut rup tb mut env ->
copper sinew
Might be good on low keys, bad on high keys or oneshot affixes
jovial kite
then vanish garrote on pandemic
solid nova
Yeah, CD too valuable on higher keys
royal bronze
ty ty
jovial kite
Havent simmed it
But theres probably a sweetspot with high uptime garrote on lust
And vendetta
royal bronze
3rd talent row is more personal pref for m+ anyone disagree?
copper sinew
Why wouldn't you Vendetta later though? 40 seconds lust vs 20 seconds Vendetta plus you'll have full Vendetta for subterfuged Garrote in both ways
Or is the Vendetta snapshotted for the subterfuged Garrote as well?
royal bronze
to get a second usage i'd beleive romp
jovial kite
i mean talking purely based on last patch
The faster the vendetta the higher the dps
Although with no traits and relics that might not be the case anymore
Like i said i havent simmed it yet so this is all feely
copper sinew
I get what you mean, that'd require you to get lucky with kill times tho supposedly
We'll see
copper sinew
IF you get another Vendetta out of it, it'll be worth it
If you don't, then you wasted damage through energy waste
jovial kite
Ehh
You dont lose any dmg on the pull waste
especially during lust
It doesnt affect your rotation
copper sinew
You'll lose energy if you use Vendetta at full energy
copper sinew
I don't think so, but that's feeling as well ^^
jovial kite
its proven not 🤷
jovial kite
all sims last patch
copper sinew
What is "last patch" for you?
jovial kite
before prepatch
royal bronze
its neglible compared to the higher dps simmed @copper sinew
but that might be due to master assasin
and boots
copper sinew
Errrr okay, I see, but that's different to what's happening now, isn't it?
jovial kite
you can execute your perfect opener without the energy gain from vendetta on pull
dusty roost
Given how energy starved we are right now, I would clutch at every scrap I can find, over a long fight the 3 seconds of delay in your first vendetta is well worth it to keep your rotation on point
jovial kite
and have optimal uptimes on ep and env
i mean
If you play with 10% haste
Ur doing it wrong
copper sinew
Obviously
jovial kite
We are less energy starved than last patch
copper sinew
You being able to pull the perfect opener off without Vendetta doesn't mean you can't use the energy you would waste using it on pull though, that's my whole point ^^
gaunt spire
i just noticed that i can not see other rogues poison bombs on the ground, has it always been like that or is it a bug?
jovial kite
and ur gcd locked
dusty roost
That's just not true, there were massive energy gains from old venom rush
royal bronze
ayo running this talent setup would you guys even bother rupture on targets or just gar>fok>ct>fok>ct
jovial kite
Wasted energy means nothing
royal bronze
for m+
copper sinew
@gaunt spire It's always been like that
Well I doubt it's that simple, but I'm not trying to argue
gaunt spire
@copper sinew thanks, no wounder the tanks always move mobs out of it then..
jovial kite
You waste max 1 mutilate
Thats it
as its not energy gained instantly on vendetta use
copper sinew
@royal bronze We don't know yet. It should be worth applying Rupture up to a certain number of enemies, from then on you'll want to CT spam. But we don't know the spot
jovial kite
and ur gcd locked
copper sinew
Yeah, I absolutely get your point
royal bronze
Thx romp!
dusty roost
For almost half of legion DS was viable and even optimal, only in TOS /ABT did vigor really come into it's element due to mastery scaling of poison damage. Regardless, my early impressions are that avoiding energy cap is as necessary now as it always has been. Delaying vendetta gives you time to get some buffs/debuff active too
Maybe your crit % has had an impact on energy/cp efficiency
dusty roost
It can easily change the feel of the rotation based on seal fate procs
copper sinew
damn
fierce pivot
so now every things broken and I can buy some legos, what should I be buying for sin?
copper sinew
Very nice
jovial kite
1 mutilate worth of energy isnt gonna drop it
But like i said
Until openers are simmed all this is feelcraft
hollow haven
royal bronze
Can't find any logs of anyone not running PB in m+ in the last 12hrs
Anyone know any rogues that have ran CT
copper sinew
@nimble tartan did/does
royal bronze
@nimble tartan let me know how ur dungeon goes ty
copper sinew
royal bronze
thats so big dick lmao
shrewd night
Reliable aoe > unreliable aoe
royal bronze
I really want to try ct but im not sure to run NS over Sub and DS or Vig?
sudden brook
subterfuge is insane in M+
royal bronze
yeah for the multiple applications of gar
but if ur not applying it
and just garr>fok>ct>fok>ct
it would only be alot better if ur applying it to 3 targets no?
idk man im semi retarded
unkempt phoenix
why would you not garrote multiple
sudden brook
think hes testing how good spamming ct is
royal bronze
^^^^
unkempt phoenix
you can still spam it after having some garrotes out
like thats just free dmg loss
royal bronze
https://i.imgur.com/y3D6oFM.png
omr said this was fok>ct>fok>ct
so then sub would pull ahead of ns
but omr was running
so thats why im asking
its some big brain shit
shrewd night
Hit add with envenom, see how many intitial hits of CT would be needed to overtake that
nimble tartan
theres literally no time to garrote
warm parcel
Keep in mind those are 4 target sims
nimble tartan
or rupture
nimble tartan
im doing only like 18-20
vestal wren
sure if the target dies asap, why use garrote
warm parcel
No. Amount of targets
velvet nacelle
i need to read up, you guys are destroying my feelycraft build numbers
nimble tartan
even not die asap at a certain mass its not worth at all
warm parcel
Gets so high you wanna start dropping shit like tb
nimble tartan
and that mass isnt as big as u think it should be imo
warm parcel
From rotation
vestal wren
energy regeneration
vestal wren
you are atm spoiled with tier and vigor ring
nimble tartan
also im running DS not mfd now
nimble tartan
u do insane aoe with fok ct spam when u chain stealth into vanish
warm parcel
nimble tartan
🕵🏽
warm parcel
shrewd pine
so if im a pleb i just 
it and CT it and chill?
warm parcel
You still need energy somehow 
velvet nacelle
energy is overrated
shrewd pine
^ that
warm parcel
So ye, youre gonna drop some stuff
nimble tartan
this on a 18 lower https://i.imgur.com/kXxJKt3.png
warm parcel
But not all
nimble tartan
rupture omegalul
royal bronze
energy in prepatch omegalul
shrewd pine
cool cool
royal bronze
omr can u send me current talents
shrewd pine
cant wait to test out CT on weekend
felt nice on eonar, which is like budget dungeon
royal bronze
it look hella fun
shrewd pine
do you bother with envenom buff uptime or you ignore it?
nimble tartan
its just this https://i.imgur.com/m9Rkulf.png
junior flume
Has there been changes since everyone is talking about CT? I thought PB and CT simmed sorta the same
nimble tartan
i think subterfuge is decent 2
warm parcel
PB was never intented for aoe
royal bronze
im gna run sub
junior flume
Ah sorry, just got into the convo, trying to catch up 😄
velvet nacelle
@junior flume i know that feeling
do you just forget you have a CT button on bosses/single target?
royal bronze
@nimble tartan what did u sub out for soul of the shadowblade
junior flume
So far it seems CT > PB for m+ but for raids PB is the way to go for now? Except for a few fights if you wanna swap talents
royal bronze
ive been running insig+sephuz atm
jovial kite
Pb for st
royal bronze
pb for st for sure
nimble tartan
im using soul in m+
royal bronze
ye soul and?
nimble tartan
mantle
junior flume
Alright! Then i'm not totally lost 😄
royal bronze
oooo ok
velvet nacelle
@junior flume good for you because I totally am
junior flume
Haha 😄
velvet nacelle
i've been too busy with work to get on much so i've just done some of my own experiments and they're not panning out haha
nimble tartan
ye mantle is sick for that long fok ct chain
velvet nacelle
so you guys are enjoying the mantle and vigor ring?
royal bronze
so omr if u run mantle wouldnt u need to take NS?
azure bridge
junior flume
@velvet nacelle i think the gist of it is that you run 221??21 on single target and 211??23 for aoe. i think 😉
nimble tartan
i think sub has its place when its not those big packs whre u just mindlessly ct fok spam
so its versatile
brisk forge
Sim it ❤️
royal bronze
i feel like if ur running mantle sub is bad
brazen bane
anybody here with nice Assa WA's?
jovial kite
Yep
brazen bane
one day, i believe
copper sinew
@brazen bane www.wago.io
junior flume
My WA's is a frankensteined mess of all sorts of things that i've joinked and changed around
shrewd night
@copper sinew Everything there looks like shit apparantly
copper sinew
You're right, eventually
I mean, if I wanted to share my Weakauras, I would've uploaded them to Wago, I think ôo
deep beacon
@copper sinew Did you ever make that empowered garrote one ?
vernal atlas
Best WA's are selfmade WA's
royal bronze
I was digging infexious' last patch
brazen bane
just gotta wait, eventually good stuff will be upadated and if not ill make them myself
vernal atlas
I don't get how most people can play with WAs where most of the stuff is BELOW their character. I always place them so I can see all my debuffs and cooldowns on the sides of my character, to still be able to focus the main action and not being stuck with my eyes somewhere between my bars and my WA
shrewd night
I got all my bars hidden or 90% seethrough
junior flume
i have my stuff right under the middle, under my character. Not at the bottom where the toolbars are. And then have all bars hidden unless mouse over
brazen bane
the whole point of WAs is to not look at your bars at all lol
atleast for spells that is
copper sinew
@deep beacon I actually didn't, because the guy requesting it earlier had it figured out
@deep beacon http://www.ravenholdt.net/notters-rogue-weak-auras-compilation/ has the empowered Garrote tracker, you should be able to just steal it out of there
sudden brook
so the whole "spam CT" on aoe, do you even rupture or garrote at all?
vestal wren
yes
junior flume
IIRC CT doesn't proc venomous wounds, so you'd rupture for energy regen
brazen bane
is it like 7.3.5 where you rupture up to 3 targets?
royal bronze
im checking it now
steep obsidian
if you have 4p and high enough crit you barely needthe energy tho
depending how big the pull is
neon bluff
talents for m+?
royal bronze
normal build or ct build?
neon bluff
thx dude
royal bronze
mantle+soul of shadow or insig atm
jagged yoke
does assassination still have the thing where u dont spam envenom but wait till the last second?
jagged yoke
oh really
cos i remmeber in legion...i think elaborate planning or something u held off on envenom
vernal robin
do you ever apply a 4cp rupture? or do you just mutilate anyway to get to 5 even though you waste a cp
royal bronze
4cp rup is fine
vernal atlas
if you got 3cp mutilate one more time, if you got 4cp use a finisher, you could only use a blindside if you skilled into it and it procced, to get to 5cp
royal bronze
even 3cp
rupture is only time based
cp usage doesnt matter for dmg
only env is super important for 4+
loud kayak
iron scarab
@jagged yoke you mean surge of toxins where you had to clip your envenoms
jagged yoke
yeh thats it
vernal atlas
it certainly is strong.... op I don't know. depends on if you can play it or not... I see other assas who deal less dmg than me, with 20 ilvl more. so yah, strong if you are not dumb or retarded i guess
iron scarab
@jagged yoke it is gone... was a artifact trait
jagged yoke
ah nice...that sucked
iron scarab
Is mantle still siming that high ? On my sims mantle performs nearly 20% worse then bracer with insignia
vernal atlas
it depends on the rest of your gear.
I found herodamage.com to be a good refernece and from there on start with your own sims
lament dove
can someone explain wrist lego to me? I mean Insignia is supposed to be our ~best lego with that whopping 1,7% dmg. but 2/3 of our damage comes from poisons and bleeds, how can 30% under 30% be less than 1,7%...? especially with the mastery and haste changes
pastel vault
this spec is OP my alt is simming higher than my main 10 ilvls lower D: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rfpekus8MVpSo3wizQgsoN
royal bronze
We feel good af I'll be honest
vernal atlas
it gives you haste and 30% more dps is pretty much, especially since the fight still takes a while when the boss is at 30% health
pastel vault
my gear in that sim is a big yikes and the number is huge
vale marten
@pastel vault cinidaria isnt really reliable for simming
vestal wren
the legecy beginns
iron scarab
Elaborate Planing subterfuge and bracers insignia are actually quit viable
vestal wren
yes, best is to sim your combinations
i just changed the suggested legendaries to those 2 as those are the most standing out on hero damage
pastel vault
vestal wren
btw. did anyone sim prydaz?
vale marten
prydaz is a 42% upgrade for me but simms lower cuz othe rlegos give othe reffects
iron scarab
Insignia and bracer sim insane @vestal wren
vestal wren
yes bracers/talent ring/shoulders are totally fine
iron scarab
Shoulder lost immense value through gcd change imo... has any1 with normal ping even got more as 3 styles in the mantle window since prepatch ?
vestal wren
:/
vernal atlas
but still, sim it! For me personally I still sim better with shoulders + insignia
nocturne gate
my best sim is belt insignia by far
lament dove
I'm still doing envenoms with vanish+shoulders, 16-18K envenoms with NS @ 243 ilevel
deep beacon
for M+ though I think that using that soul ring is a good idea since you get both vigor and MFD 😃
vernal atlas
@lament dove thats also the best build for me.... though I would love to play with blindside
jovial kite
@jagged yoke you definitely want to max ep uptime
Especially during lust subt garrote
So in a sense clipping is back
dark crag
how did the gcd change affect vanish and mantle window?
vernal atlas
I feel like its fun in pvp though
dark crag
even vanishing mid vendetta gcd just keeps you in stealth except you autohit yourself out
jovial kite
You dont with /stopattack macro
vernal atlas
NS: vanish>env>mut>env...
Sub: vanish>garrote...
dark crag
thats what we saying
nocturne gate
but how should i play when this happens :D https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3qpmo9JESKWyYw7dtT3DQU
garrote or env after vansih :D
vale marten
that fucking ring is so op
fierce onyx
Why most high ranked rogue have insane amount of mastery even if it sims very low :\
civic hatch
probably cus it was our best stat and they don't care about pre patch gearing/geming
next bay
Yeah, basically that. I don't feel the urge to farm an entirely new set of armor when it's going to be obsolete real soon anyway.
amber sleet
Did u not clear Argus yesterday @jovial kite
velvet nacelle
good god you guys sim high
jagged elk
hey guys!
is it possible to create weakauras for empowered spells, which benefit from NS or Subterfuge?
greetings
limber dagger
is it just me or does blindside feel shit to play?
velvet nacelle
i always like more buttons
solid nova
^
velvet nacelle
but it didn't feel like i was doing more damage for the more work
solid nova
Its more apm for less damage
velvet nacelle
and with more stuff on the gcd now...
limber dagger
im just going with master poisoner i guess
solid nova
Havent actually seen someone with it simming on top for T1 yet.
velvet nacelle
i'm only simming like 4k with my best gear
shrewd pine
doesnt mean its good.
amber sleet
Never said so
limber dagger
i mean even if its stronger, its still feels odd
shrewd pine
There was a exploit yesterday going on
That increased your damag eby like 3-4k dps
very likely he used it.
vernal atlas
god I sim best with shoulders and EP + Sub.... such awkwardness >.<
narrow comet
I am really glad all stayed the same, I sucked before pre-patch and i still suck, so i am not stressed atm
limber dagger
idk ill probably just switch to another class tbh, every specc feels so weird right now...
vernal atlas
why? assa is great!
amber sleet
Aight rip
jovial kite
otherwise id be rank 1 
solid nova
🐱
vernal atlas
sure.... some builds feel awkward but they perform!!
amber sleet
Try me @jovial kite
velvet nacelle
@vernal atlas by "perform" what kind of numbers are you seeing?
limber dagger
@vernal atlas the thing is the main thing i want is fun, i cant just play somnething cause it performs 😦
jovial kite
i mean im 50 points behind rank 1 in allstars at #4 with 1 less boss killed
reef axle
did they fix the serpent egg yet? or still good trinket?
jovial kite
no way i wouldnt be rank 1 
amber sleet
Thought u ment just on argus
deep beacon
not simming nearly high as before
jovial kite
nah all
elder trench
is Blindside good in pvp ?
strange python
MP or EP for m+?
dusty roost
Having prayed so hard for so long for PB at the right time in m+, I'm loving having reliable CT damage. Also playing with forge fiends fabricator for the first time, heaps of fun for big pulls
Seems any trinket that hits with damage is pretty powerful right now
solid nova
nimble tartan
So many exploiters on the logs
distant cypress
what was the exploit?
jovial kite
needing exploits for rank 1 
nimble tartan
That achievement exploit can get through the flags if its not super egregious
nimble tartan
Yeah from what i saw u only need like 80 on every fight to get r1
shrewd pine
just look up my logs from yesterday, garothi and dogs I used pots, got flagged
rest of bosses are chill and up there
hanging
nimble tartan
Like really bad mastery logs that were loke 2k ahead of everyone were flagged
shrewd pine
I guess I wasnt hitting high enough numbers
nimble tartan
Theres a bunch in the top 10 and shit unflagged
shrewd pine
lemme check if I was maybe flagged through today
nah, Aggramar, Kin, Portal Keeper and Highcommand
I'm still up there on r1
solid nova
Warlock, Warlock, Warlock, Warlock, Warlock, Warlock, Warlock, Warlock, Theri, Warlock, Warlock, Warlock, Warlock,
solid nova
97 warlocks, you, mage, boomy
prime void
true cobalt
Bleed build any good?
warm parcel
Uhh
solid nova
???
shrewd night
ban inc
warm parcel
Yeah only two posts on account
shrewd pine
<@&224906552333697025> Hi, we have bad boi here, thanks
warm parcel
👋
blissful tide
warm parcel
Its likely a spam bot anyway
vernal atlas
but the puppy really is damn cute 😮
solid nova
Either way, horrible choice of words
vernal atlas
yah, not a very clear explanation.... since we know, all kids are really great 😉
solid nova
🤦🏼
vernal atlas
:p
warm parcel
vestal wren
i am back, did somone already solve the issue?
solid nova
No
vestal wren
fill me in, whats up
warm parcel
10 messages up
shrewd night
Up by the puppypicture
vernal atlas
the r word? righteous glory?
shrewd night
this is the time to edit yours btw kanna
solid nova
Ravenholdt
shrewd night
before you get slapped
distant cypress
why its RavenholdT not RavenHold ?
vernal atlas
to llok fancy i suppose
vestal wren
!warn @Woah take it easy man#6899 we dont use this words here.
shrewd pine
Its a spam bot Fuu
vestal wren
oh lul
warm parcel
Its a spam.bot
shrewd pine
just ban it
vernal atlas
or find a dialogue ... LUL
solid nova
@distant cypress Because its named after the owner
shrewd night
*creator
solid nova
Lord Jorach Ravenholdt ?
vestal wren
kk
vernal atlas
maybe is the name of the dog
young root
im guessing pet hamster
vestal wren
okay done
shrewd pine
❤
strange python
hi people, i was wondering, i am a casual player that will barely raid in bfa, but i enjoy farming old content and achievements etc and playing a bit of pve in the latest content, i was wondering which spec u guys think i should play for bfa, outlaw or assassin?
shrewd pine
Demon Hunter
solid nova
^ play whichever you prefer
shrewd pine
they are the fastest to get around
vestal wren
i am currently temporary on a old duo core netbook that is not able to play yt in the browser on higher resolution so sry if i took a bit (will be back on my normal pc later today)
strange python
and how about soloing older content raid bosses?
solid nova
They'll be trivial regardless of spec mate
shrewd night
^
shrewd night
Compare it to bosses from warlords, no challenge whatsoever.
strange python
😃
vestal wren
legion will ikely take a 5 man group
strange python
ah i see
with that in mind, what seems to be the more popular spec? and which seems to be fun in your guys' opinion?
i'm not able to test ATM
vestal wren
however it depend on what content it is
strange python
can you elaborate a little bit?
vestal wren
EN might be doable solo
strange python
i imagine assass is strong for solo with leeching poison
vestal wren
antorus will probably not
sin is good with leeching poison
but sub with ES and the hp talent is also very good
strange python
yeah antoros probably too hard atleast in the first tier of bfa
ah, i don't think i'll play sub, i haven't enjoyed a second of it's playstyle since 7.0 hit
it's worth trying tho i guess
shrewd pine
you are literally running around one shotting mobs in 10 years old content, what it matters?
vernal atlas
I liked goremaws and DFA, I don't want to face energy starving....
shrewd pine
oh right, fair enough
then go tank class
they will very likely have easiest time to solo such content
strange python
true
shrewd pine
veng DH has plenty damage, self healing and fuckload of mobility to get around
strange python
rogue's been my main for over a decade, it feels hard to let go ;p
vestal wren
they could fix sub by doing 3 things:
- put Shadow focus passive and add MA
- reducing Shadowblade cd to 2 mins or lower
- adding a delay of ~1.3-1.5 secounds to secret technique (and probably make a cool animation)
shrewd pine
understandable
strange python
hmmm
vernal atlas
yah it just doesn't feel fluid anymore.... but lets wait what bfa brings
spring zephyr
Any1 pvp here?
spring zephyr
.ty
bronze topaz
is it possible to make a macro which casts mutilate and blindside but blindside in priority? .D
shrewd night
So it would always cast blindside
At least during execute, which goes against how you would use blindside
shrewd pine
what would be any reason to use such macro?
bronze topaz
didn't think about this, sorry. so i can't make a key which hits blindside instead of mutilate if it procced?
shrewd night
No
steep obsidian
dammit they made the sticky bombs not work in pvp
strange shoal
hey guys
steep obsidian
that sucks coz they actually crit for 55k
shrewd pine
Hi
strange shoal
i saw some logs at raider io of ppl using cloak+shoulders with hidden blades talent for keys
its worth try it?
sudden brook
p sure those are from when it was bugged
strange shoal
i just try find a medium build for keys and im not sure wich to use
steep citrus
i'm here just to argue semantics. I think that would still be considered a bug
shrewd pine
And you would be wrong.
balmy cradle
If we dont have cloak leggo in bfa whats the point of hidden blades anyway? St pb and constant aoe ct. Why pick hb?
shrewd pine
That doesnt make it bug.
steep citrus
it does really. otherwise there are no bugs
because the code always does exactly what you code
shrewd pine
Reason why did it so much damage is because the damage multiplier was multiplicative (which btw is standard for damage multipliers). They changed it to behave additively. Which nerfed the damage.
It wasnt bug.
it did exactly what was coded
steep citrus
yep, the bug was they had it doing it multiplicatively
steep citrus
yeah, but code ALWAYS does exactly what it was coded
green belfry
Is this important?
shrewd pine
jovial kite
@green belfry snecko has no power here
green belfry
I have been detected...!
jovial kite
Got 800 hours in the game
shrewd night
keen turtle
Can anyone TLDR me the legendaries to use for ST and Mythic plus?
shrewd pine
and
frigid briar
Mantle insignia
primal sigil
id use mantle cloak with HB in m+
primal sigil
well non fort week it seemed to decimate stuff
frigid briar
Legendary items are probably the most balanced they have been since release for assassin
primal sigil
just did a 23 EoA was doing almost 20-25k on packs
shrewd pine
Thats great.
frigid briar
Just get scourgewing
shrewd pine
You'd do more with CT.
vestal wren
mantle + x is bis for m+
primal sigil
the mobs dont even stay alive tht long, but ill try it once again
vestal wren
i think mantle + sephuz might be rly good
primal sigil
i did a CoS with CT wasnt even close enough between the OL rogue and DH i was like just standing around
yeah will try this
shrewd pine
mind noting if u did m+ with HB and Cloak pre-nerf
it is understandable it was very high
that interaction got changed and heavily nerfed.
primal sigil
i did it like about 6 hrs back
primal sigil
i know sir, ive been keeepingup was running CT all this time, the HB was an impulse try and just caught me by surprise
shrewd pine
I mean its good for burst damage sure.
primal sigil
yeah
whole canyon
I prefer CT, cba waiting for those stacks and then trying not to waste it on smaller groups.
shrewd pine
but overall CT wins and you dont have to wait for stacks
frigid briar
Nighstalker 6 cp crimson tempest 👌
shrewd pine
which limits you in m+
I found HB nice on raid encounter with add spawns, like high command or portal keeper
primal sigil
will try CT spam, i wasnt doing tht i guess
shrewd pine
especiaclly since they tent to die fast
cosmic prism
anyone elses wa's stop working after the patch?
shrewd pine
afaik the priority is quick rupture or two to get your energy running
and then FOK CT
primal sigil
just overall im feeling adds are dying toooo fast
frigid briar
We dont even clear mythic till monday.... zzzzzz.
shrewd pine
if you wont run out of energy during the pack and it will die fast you can skip the rupture part and just spam it
primal sigil
yeah the packs like the murlocs and goblins tg,.. they dint seem to stay up tht long
frigid briar
Best way to use crimson is to save 5-6 cp from previous pack
frigid briar
Then open with it and then get 2 ruptures up
frigid briar
Indeed
shrewd pine
on higher fortified I quite like SF tho
being able to quickly put up some garrotes isnt too bad
frigid briar
Subterfuge forces t20 2 set right?
frigid briar
Has anyone with credible exp tried exsanginate bleed haste build?
Im gonna play with it over the weekend
deep beacon
I really enjoyed doing m+ with that soul ring.. it was cool having both MFD and vigor 😃
vagrant patio
I enjoy Exsanginate haste build, but it dipped a little below toxic blade. Fun though
shrewd pine
That translates to, good off pieces are better for SF than forcing yourself into T20
Yes. More than fine.
deep beacon
I found tht in the 12 and 15 I did with a decent group stuff dies so fast hard to get ruptures up most of thet ime
Agreed on the saving it for the next pack
I love to try to do it all garotte a bunch, then rupture one, then MFD tempest FOK tempest.. fun stuff 😃
vagrant patio
played around with Sephuz/Nightmare Egg Shell with Internal Bleeding with Exsanguinate
Added a nice bit a damage to it
frigid briar
How many people are using potion of old war?
steep citrus
11
clever niche
@frigid briar for the exsaung build tried looking through logs and filtering by talent setup?
frigid briar
Na. Iv not been at a pc in a few days. Checking logs on phone is garbage
Im 253itmlvl so probably not worth
balmy cradle
The 10% energy rate increase from vigor. Is it base regen or base+haste regen it takes the 10% from?
frigid briar
It was simulated that 2p 4p was best before prepatch hit. Thats why I was wondering
steep citrus
but even without t20, subterfuge is still best in all situations?
vernal atlas
in theory 2pct20+4pct21 should still be the best..... but who knows
shrewd pine
Sims assume 930/960 t20/t21 that value changes because you can have lower t20 and or higher off pieces.
vernal atlas
problem is high haste gear can easily outvalue
yah
but interesting, that the top logs use ns
shrewd pine
top logs are barely indication
there was mastery exploit recently and you could get top log with anything
solid nova
They're all cheaters 
mossy hazel
What's the reasoning behind taking subterfuge on sin right now?
unkempt phoenix
garrote does a lot of damage
steep citrus
was screenshot from the bleed build? all the top hero damage for "poison" build are subterfuge
unkempt phoenix
idk why people are freaking out over minmaxing prepatch like its a new raid tier
strange python
because there's nothing else to do lmfao
sudden brook
nnot everybody has beta, and even those who do probably arent playing it now bcuz they have to just regear all over again
mossy hazel
Is nightstalker worth the grab instead if I have shoulders?
shrewd pine
mossy hazel
I'm honestly just messing around with stuff in pre, I'm not going nuts
mossy hazel
I'm at work, I'm just looking at the new guides. Lol
sudden brook
if you like sub then just play it
steep citrus
the first parse on hero damage using mantle is in 230th place, 3.3% behind
but it is still using subterfuge
sly flume
You cant compare dmg now vs dmg in bfa at lvl 120. Blizz will probably still change shit so we will see whats the best when bfa is out
mossy hazel
I've never really be able to get a good feel for sub for some reason
And I WANT to like outlaw, but.... Ehhhhh
unkempt phoenix
some sim higher with sub some sim higher with NS
its almost like everyone is different
sly flume
Outlaw is pretty cool finally something new after the last years of playing assa
steep citrus
the bladeflurry change is great. they just need to take it off the gcd
supple mesa
New outlaw feels slick man
edgy latch
gcd on bf feels cancer
supple mesa
But sin feels too good
mossy hazel
What was the bf change? I don't remember... It's charges now, right?
wide delta
GCD
sudden brook
charges, no longer fucks energy
vernal atlas
outlaw ina nutshell: fight begins, wow look at the damage, wow look how fund and cool this little guy looks! .... end of fight, oh, he deals no damage, oh he really is sad...
mossy hazel
Ohhhhh, I like the "no longer fucks energy" bit
edgy latch
hoping for sub to be fotm
sudden brook
the GCD part sucks though
wide delta
i miss DFA tho
vernal atlas
and sub is like cool! I use spells im a ninja cool! .... No not cool at all, no energy not cool at all...
wide delta
that animation, the damage was so gooooooood
mossy hazel
I'm not going to lie... Sub was too hard for me to learn.... Hahaha...
sly flume
Sub stays pvp for me and this wont change
vernal atlas
DFA was super satisfying!
mossy hazel
I couldn't figure it out in a day or two and went back to sin
mossy hazel
I've always been sin though, except when I was "combat" way back when
vernal atlas
I loved setting up the SoD, then jumping in the sky, mashing my SD macro!! super cool
vernal atlas
I only didn't like suiciding with DFA, since I landed in some kind of crap
wide delta
sin is fun but gets boring cuz there is no action like sub
sub u smash 24/7 button
sin is way easier and chill
mossy hazel
I like chill. Lol
vernal atlas
yah sin is really chilled
mossy hazel
As long as I'm pulling decent numbers I'm fine with chill
vernal atlas
but to be fair, I like simpler builds, since it gives you more room to focus on other mechanics
wide delta
only thing tho that is much more satisfying than DFA is my PB procc WA
I always come when it proccs
vernal atlas
I'd be surprised if sin would become bad in the near future
lament dove
well I didn't play during Antorus, and sin got good... now I play again, so there's every chance it gets bad
steep citrus
sin was already chill. then kingsbane went away and with the current meta, nothing replaced it. you can go like 2 minute stretches where it feels like you press maybe 3 buttons
pass on that
deep beacon
Yeah you can take blindside though to give you another button lol 😃
steep citrus
but hero says not to! peck the chins
vernal atlas
but there is a difference between "not being top tier" and being "actually bad"
wide delta
well its all about rupture, garrote, multilate and envenom
and sometimes u smash the vendetta button thats it
cosmic prism
you forgot poison blade 👀
wide delta
toxic blade u mean 😄
forgot about that
bind ur multiate together with toxic blade
and u gucci
strange python
herodamage ranks sephuz high but on bosses that you cant proc it on its useless right?
wide delta
100% uptime
solid nova
@strange python Sim assumes no procs
tropic talon
sim assumes no procs
wide delta
sim assumes no procs
vernal atlas
I feel like I'm the only one who likes the loss of kingsbane xD
cosmic prism
well you used to use it at certain times during kb but now binding it with mut actually makes sense lol
strange python
damn, interesting
wide delta
@cosmic prism thats what I did btw, binded it to multilate gg
cosmic prism
i liked kb, give me something to think about while killing the boss lol
vernal atlas
@mossy hazel exactly that!! Timing was awful
steep citrus
i didn't like it either. but they need to make dispatch viable or do something to spice it up
mossy hazel
yea I always felt like I either missed the window, or spent too long waiting for the window...
vernal atlas
spicing it up... you guys clearly never mained fury warrior xD
mossy hazel
yea, blindside needs a little more to it, but I do like that sin has a proc based ability now
vernal atlas
hahaha
cosmic prism
i just made a fury warrior that im planning on playing through bfa lol, the update made it more fun
drifting light
Any1 proficient in WA able to help me? Is there a way to make my WA that tracks when I can refresh my dots at the pandemic window to automatically change depending on how many combo points I used on Rupture?
mossy hazel
There WAS a WA package that had that in it
cosmic prism
just do it below 4s 
mossy hazel
I don't know if it still worksright now though
whole ether
prob asked many times already, but what warmode talents are you guys rocking?
mossy hazel
All the passives. Lol
cosmic prism
the usual, i sim higher with master poisoner rather than ep
mossy hazel
*all the passive poisons
lament dove
yeah lol
vernal atlas
me too!! keeping the number of skills low lul
whole ether
deadly bre system shock and creeping venom?
cosmic prism
my 4 key that kb occupied is so empty now, what will i put there now 😢
whole ether
or mind numbing poison?
mossy hazel
I don't remember the specific ones, but definitely creeping
visual mist
toxic blade same key as mutilate ?
mossy hazel
Adaptation, creeping venom, system shock and for some reason armory says I'm using flying daggers
but I feel like that's not right
visual mist
that works?
mossy hazel
No, I definitely wasn't. Lol
Don't think I ev3en have that cloak, and I never used the hidden blades talent
whole ether
what cloak bug?
lament dove
you can put healthstone to the place where KB was, now it works together with healing potion!
vernal atlas
wait, can you bind TB with mutilate?!?! nooo right?
mossy hazel
One of the lego cloaks buffed your fan of knives, then there's a new talent that buffs your fan of knives and they were basically the same buff, butr they counted separetely
So youcould potentially 1 shot most things with a fully buffed fok
strange python
What could be the reson that sephuz+insignia is simming lower for me than mantle+bracers? i have 4 piece tier 21
steep citrus
one was 30 stacks and one 20 but before it was multiplicative so you ended up with effectively 600 stacks
add the pvp talent
now it's additive
whole ether
oh god and this in pvp
steep citrus
eh, it only really worked on mobs. it still hit players hard, but cloak is nerfed in pvp
cosmic prism
whats the best pvp talent combo?
vernal atlas
no talents is broken atm