You do not CT on ST.
#assassination
civic palm
solar willow
hue that sounds like too much work
you depend on the guy being online and having the time to give you attention to do sims for you, i prefer waiting
steep citrus
sorry to tie up the queue, but i need definitive proof that this 185 frond isn't BIS now
radiant wharf
Is Vendetta buffing the bleed/poisons thats already up or do i need to reuse bleeds for the buff?
civic palm
slim olive
Vendetta is dynamic meaning it automatically affects it
civic palm
Moreso your Bleeds/etc check dynamically.
radiant wharf
Sry mizerok, didnt see u wrote :p
civic palm
๐
frigid jasper
should probs pin that
civic palm
What?
gleaming geyser
civic palm
Pin that our Bleeds work like every other DoT that exists outside of Druid bleeds that explicitly state what they are doing?
and that nothing has changed over the course of 2 years in that regard?
gleaming geyser
I think he meant the dynamic interation
civic palm
That's not new, that's just how the game works and has for a long time.
vestal wren
^
gleaming geyser
not debating that
civic palm
The guide in the description is meant for being a quick-start into level 120 content and some changes that might have came with the expansion.
solar willow
did any1 sim with sephuz?
civic palm
Very few guides are going to get into deep nuance, as those guides are not really meant for that.
vestal wren
i did not but i heared its worth simming
solar willow
it's currently best simming for me
civic palm
and yeah Sephuz seems top tier for some people depending on off-pieces.
frigid jasper
sep+insignia is simming highest for me
gilded knoll
hmm to sims i go
vestal wren
yes i think its the duty of guides to write those things down
fierce ingot
i miss snapshots
deep solstice
Weren't people saying recently that sims sim sephuz assuming you get to proc the interrupt effect?
fierce ingot
snapshotting dots on alysrazor 
frigid jasper
wasn't it the exact opposite; that it didn't consider the proc?
random sentinel
Good evening, I'm a new rogue I just up 110 and I was wrong weapon I took the finesse brief, the quest for a 2nd weapon to pop and so I took the quest for the weapon assassin and now I see nothing else do you have any idea how to recover the assassin weapon?
vestal wren
sephuz is simming without proc, so its even better if you are able to proc it
civic palm
Yarrr
lament dove
insignia sim is still wrong right? sims 3,4% for me which is ~30% of mutilate, but in practice it does about 1,5-2% (which is realistic)
steep citrus
you have to click on nightly build maybe?
normal cedar
What should I use for sin rogue pvp talents?
civic palm
Yerp.
vestal wren
we are quick with fixes ๐
lament dove
I'm not using HD
vestal wren
Hero damage was updated at 4 in the morning or so
civic palm
Yeah.
vestal wren
next update will have sephuz in also
civic palm
Is there a timeline for that?
vestal wren
(we forgot to re-enable it)
civic palm
o _o
vestal wren
well it was dissabled to save sim time
civic palm
Shoulda disabled boots :3
vestal wren
i am not sure, but i assume we get the update tomorrow
civic palm
kk
polar cape
what was the food name from wod that had proc dmg? i forgot XD
limber dagger
hey guys, what do you think about master assasine against subterfuge?
solar willow
my sim with seph
vestal wren
is that higher or lower then usual?
gilded knoll
using sepuz over waht i have. i gain 1 dps.. literally
abstract shuttle
im simming it right now, but with insignia shoulders, i was simming 6.5k
civic palm
gilded knoll
dont think its worth gemming and enchanting my sepuz for 1 dps 
civic palm
Well it's literally an increase O _O
fierce ingot
cant argue with that
sand whale
but if you gem and enchant it'll be more than 1 dps ijs
gilded knoll
nah took that into account already
severe osprey
hey should we use blindside as combo gen below 30% ?
abstract shuttle
the sim takes into account the gem already
solar willow
i think it was a situational upgrade for me cuz by removing shoulders i was able to move some pieces around and get more haste
gilded knoll
could be. i already had some 265 ish haste crit items i had held onto for some reason
so already have some haste
jovial summit
@lunar moth the 5min fight on the raider dummy gave me 3.8k dps double pot.
How do you guys simulate your dps ?
hoary copper
civic palm
steep citrus
peck the chins
amber sleet
raidbots+simcraft addon
hoary copper
Whats a pin?
civic palm
I am pointing at it you butt.
solar willow
you know mizerok loves posting that picture
jovial summit
I'm new to Discord and this Discord in particular, sorry I'll read the notes later
civic palm
read the notes first
amber sleet
legit 1 dps
civic palm
haha love that +1
hoary copper
I totally misread that as "Im pointing it at your butt"
amber sleet
Insig+belt/bracers is simming highest for me
hoary copper
Yes, yes it is. Its also storage for magical artifacts
amber sleet
But kinda want sephuz to sim higher
abstract shuttle
but then again...if we get a kick, the haste increases tho...
hoary copper
Its what really happened to Atlantis too Miz
abstract shuttle
from seph
nimble tartan
@gilded knoll thats 1 dps increase without actually proccing sephuz
gilded knoll
i know
sand whale
rip old food and flasks
nimble tartan
Youre huge m8
gilded knoll
thanks tho
hoary copper
I've heard that a lot omr
fierce ingot
I cant break the habit and take the other buff on argus
gilded knoll
lul
jovial summit
And some of you guys think that blindside is a dps loss ?
gilded knoll
its ok i go to hit KBP and the button is empty all the time still
lament dove
right, I was using a day old nightly, so insignia sim is indeed good, thanks:)
hoary copper
jovial summit
Yeah I know I gotta check the pins but it's also a huge deal on the /2 channel
hoary copper
Thanks @dire spoke for letting me steal your image
buoyant flicker
how we liking ct for m+
civic palm
Seems good.
fierce ingot
I likr CT
civic palm
O _O
fierce ingot
im concerned how sin will feel without 4 set
civic palm
Slower.
civic palm
Until some trait comes along and fucks that all up.
buoyant flicker
I dont have 4set on my rogue right now its playing nice
but i got some haste now
ocean nebula
do you play 25 cos with CT and aoe legos or Pb and st ?
ah in eu we have tyrannical teeming volcanic
loud fossil
CT = Chrono Trigger aka best RPG ever made fite me
buoyant flicker
im using cloak+ shoulders
nimble tartan
Thoruhk i think going ct with shoulders sephuz would be nice at higher keys
rose bluff
what is the new opening and rotation
thick jacinth
are we back to 4cp finishers to maximise elaborate planning?
zealous lily
poison knife, fok, fok, kidney shot
hoary copper
zealous lily
then hit sprint to maximize your momentum uptime
nimble tartan
you're not back to it you shouldve been finishing at 4-5
steep citrus
hi, you should be doing 4cp finishers already
dull osprey
Do I mut with 4 cp or just use a finisher at 4?
steep citrus
can't tell if trolling
dull osprey
oh
I asked the question before the chat was at the bottom and immediately got the answer
I'm dum
dire spoke
what impact has that to the question
dire spoke
oh
nimble tartan
new herodamage sims
dire spoke
unlucky
nimble tartan
sephuz poggers
dire spoke
ofc sephuz
haughty moth
guys does master poisoner (talent) or mastery (stat) affect envenoms base dmg?
nimble tartan
im still surprised that the 2 piece t20 shows up when its such a big loss for me at decent ilvls as well
dire spoke
depends which pieces no?
quartz depot
i assume it was simmed at the same ilvl as antorus mythic gear
nimble tartan
i have them all at base mythic + +
dire spoke
I have t21 gloves at max ilvl
nimble tartan
are u getting good 2 piece t20 sims?
strange python
I think it's 930 sims iirc.
nimble tartan
idk no matter what combos i put in just a big loss
strange python
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quartz depot
i doubt it tbh, it's a huge loss with base mythic tos tier for me
vestal wren
embrace sephuz, herodamage sims are out
dire spoke
@nimble tartan mine was at like 6300 or so
strange python
fuu, what ilvl are tier 20 sims
quartz depot
i was already on the sephuz & insignia train
strange python
like the tier 20 items themselves
nimble tartan
isit ur top simming setup?
i guess my 4 piece high ilvl just beats it out i also have very high ilvl offpieces like 975-980
vestal wren
all tier items are base mythic itemlvl
dire spoke
I wanted to ask fuu something but I forgot
oh ye
fuu, does patchwerk caster not allow sephuz sims with proccs?
I didn't have any difference between patchwerk / casting patchwerk
assumed it would work 
nimble tartan
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vestal wren
sephuz simms top for sin ^^
gilded knoll
his isnt pally discord so i hope not
warm sable
I am very happy with my DPS with this shitty gear with no Haste ... The rotation is pretty easy and nice and would be much easier with real haste gear.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/server/rankings/317/17#metric=dps&class=DPS&difficulty=4
north terrace
is cinidaria still oversimming?
lone junco
Sephuz is only high as a crit stat stick. Esp if the sim doesn't even proc it.
It never over simmed
civic palm
and IIRC the sim does not account for the proc.
loud light
The APL never actually casts kick when the target is casting so I don't think it's too surprising that casting patchwerk is no difference, would need to modify that to see how much the proc contributes
nimble tartan
its not oversimming its simming properly its just that the time above 90% irl is not applicable
lone junco
But your raid comp really matters for belt window.
vestal wren
i underlined the combinations that dont use sephuz from the top sims
nimble tartan
and lust at start
civic palm
lol
lone junco
Lust on pull and 2dh will destroy your belt.
Is that profile. 35/25/35?
Or does it have shit haste. Like 8%
2p4p sephuz theme.
dire spoke
good thing he ignored my question
lone junco
My best is shoulder bracer.
dire spoke
tender sapphire
so did we figure out which specc does most dmg atm? ๐
lone junco
Frost.
solar willow
do i use CT on high command?
civic palm
Did you?
solar willow
nope
civic palm
Was there time to?
dire spoke
AHC is more a HB kind of Boss
lone junco
If the adds die too quick I guess that makes sense.
solar willow
i see
lone junco
But recasting a Ct over and over doesnt seem that bad with enough trash.
round harbor
trash that lives forever maybe'
lone junco
Esp with a few ruptures out.
Beats an env. Or waiting for FOK stacks.
But you proc sephuz off that trash for sure.
plain wraith
Best Race (Alliance) for Assassination Rogues?
mental vessel
alliance
gilded knoll
roll horde 
civic palm
woven bane
rip 2x t20 dont have them anymore ๐ฆ
midnight vapor
Do i crimson tempest on ST when i have the talent?
hot copper
I don't understand why Insignia is so good?
I'm only pleb tier atm
i switched from BrM
fringe sierra
what tier 2 talent is best?
strange python
good stats. extra dmg is alright.
vestal wren
likely subterfuge but you can sim it
hot copper
It hits your primary target as well?
strange python
lol, it's only around 2-3% of your damage. not amazing. but alright.
enough to compete with other leggos.
stark token
Legendarys for leveling?
chilly plume
can some 1 tell me what talent is better the PB or the knife thing for Keys
hot copper
I'm gonna go with Mantle + Sephuz for leveling
quartz depot
gonna use shoulders & the talent for 150% crit
hot copper
Killing shit in 5 seconds > Azerite imo
strange python
the effect most likely beats any early azerite pieces you'll get.
nimble tartan
Im gonna use kiljaedens and cloak to level
hot copper
KJs is good.
keen thistle
Yea, clock+pvp talents that support it
chilly plume
shit wrong link
gilded knoll
was thinking shoulders/cloak or shoulders sepuz personally
chilly plume
can some 1 tell me what talent is better the PB or the knife thing for Keys
hot copper
The speed on Sephuz + Chrono Shard + Bear Tartare + Stealth
keen thistle
And i dont remember well but is there a talent that enhaces fok?
gilded knoll
last tier 2nd choice
keen thistle
Normal talent
chilly plume
knife talent
nimble tartan
Yeah hidden blades
quaint sequoia
what buff do I wanna take on argus now?
warm void
Haste vers
fierce ingot
@quaint sequoia haste vers
strange python
@chilly plume crimson tempest for keys
gilded knoll
i like Afenar's WA from wago
chilly plume
so assassin rogue now uses haste?
warm void
I use mystlers
fierce ingot
ye lol
chilly plume
dafuk
strange python
for single target yea
gilded knoll
yea our dots scale with haste now so
chilly plume
Crimson tempest for keys
amber sleet
haste/vers buff on argus feels so fucking good now
keen thistle
Well, clock+talent+pvp talents, aoe oneshot
amber sleet
energyregen for dayz
jade cosmos
are you guys keeping up EP without caring about CPs used for finshers or are you still going 4+ CPs for finishers?
zealous niche
hmm so i'm just coming back to the game, so it looks like mantle is pretty much the best for most things?
proven hemlock
Depends on your other gear and legendaries. A lot of legendaries are good
lapis depot
should i replace mutilate with blindside completely under 30% or just use procs?
zealous niche
Mantle + Cloak for funny questing shit?
junior flume
I hope the buff blindside, i miss it ๐ฆ
gilded knoll
i miss dispatch
zealous niche
thanks, i swore i saw something pinned saying it doesn't work
junior flume
Well yea but that's what blindside is basically
gilded knoll
it used to be used on ST
lapis depot
i like playing with it, makes the spec more interesting
gilded knoll
cuz the talent hidden blades and the cloak stacked multiplicatively
now its only additive
chilly plume
so hiden and cloak is good
stark token
was better
gilded knoll
hmm fok with both cloak n talent crits for 10k for me
thats without the warmode talents tho
stark token
theres good warmode tals
civic hatch
What are ppl binding blindside to? I have it on shift 2 and it feels annoying spamming it sub 30%
junior flume
usually have it on q ^^
stark token
also q
junior flume
if you pick it wouldn't you use it in execute?
junior flume
Just remove it and give us dispatch baseline ๐
lone junco
It doesn't proc VEnom rush. Right? And only 1cp
civic hatch
Oh true
civic hatch
But we play tb anyway
lone junco
It should just use mutilate. And covert it like blunderbuss did.
amber sleet
Agree
lone junco
We wouldn't if numbers.
amber sleet
Its such a clunky ability
weary jungle
what pvp talents is everyone using?
strange python
clunky... oh how I hate that word
simple stratus
swap it with your current binding for toxic blade
junior flume
It worked well as the old dispatch, not sure why they didn't make it more viable compared to the other abilities
strange python
system shock, creeping venom, flying daggers
junior flume
I was instantly drawn to the two first as well
amber sleet
EP with high uptime is just way better in my opinion
junior flume
Yea it seems that way unfortunately
strange python
well I think thats a fact ๐
amber sleet
Idk, i've seen some say they sim higher with blindside
But i guess that's cuz their gear is garbo
with a bit haste EP should be ahead
thick jacinth
depends on your weights, the first 3 talents are all competitive
junior flume
Maybe not enough haste to keep up EP enough i guess
thick jacinth
^
wraith saddle
so what are you guys running in m+? cloak/wrist seems good for me
thick jacinth
I always liked ep though, was great in EN too.
atomic hamlet
Someone already found a softcap value for haste ? It might be somewhere between 28-30 right ?
amber sleet
i found my haste softcap to be around 27%
thick jacinth
But I don't have replacement shoulders haha
amber sleet
before Crit > haste
chilly plume
Ring sephus and cloack? @thick jacinth
thick jacinth
Uh for me it's the shadow dmg ring
But I also haven't got my sephuz at 265 tbh
working on it
wraith saddle
insignia does so little tho... like 2% of my damage on a boss fight
atomic hamlet
But has decent stats
haughty moth
guys does the mastery stat affect the base dmg of evneom? or just the posion dmg from applying additional posions?
strange python
just deadly poison
atomic hamlet
^
lone junco
@weary jungle the envenom dot is really nice. System shock I think.
fleet whale
system shock isn't a dot
thick jacinth
system shock is a slow
fleet whale
but it is nice
thick jacinth
you must mean creeping venom
lone junco
Ye.
lone junco
Top damage from that creeping crud.
thick jacinth
I run both
weary jungle
thanks
weary jungle
running creeping, shock, and DfA
fleet whale
imagine if in legion we could use both leeching and crippling like we can now... the mage tower would be even more faceroll
haughty moth
thanks gyuys
any idea if it affects the burst from system shock, or just the creeping venom dot?
wraith lantern
how come the herodamage sim recommends insignia/sephuz when everyone on logs are using insignia/mantle
weary jungle
anyone have weakaura for blindside procs?
civic palm
Because everyone chases after the assumed best option.
and WCL will take time for people to then perform better with the better setups.
and on some fights Sephuz should be much better than others.
brazen sky
amber sleet
Satyr sims highest for me
austere mountain
Yo. What legendaries should I have for Assass.
Since we basically have the legendary shoulders as a talent
thick jacinth
Sim them all.
weary jungle
currently doing 5k dps with insignia and bracers with claw neck enchant
amber sleet
Sim yourself, there's alot of good combinations now.
thick jacinth
I got shit on by some dude using belt and sephuz
amber sleet
Im using insiig bracers with above 6k dps results
thick jacinth
252 vs my 237 tho haha
austere mountain
Vendetta boots no good?
quaint sequoia
ct over pb on high command right?
tiny thunder
Assa is best spec for bfa ?
burnt lagoon
yes
junior flume
Seems pretty legit for now at least ๐
keen thistle
do I really read Sephuz+Ravenholdt as Bis legendaries dor ST assassination?
meager shuttle
only if you get the proc off
meager shuttle
yeah same. but im at 20% haste .
gleaming geyser
Pre patch shenanigans
meager shuttle
^^
teal glen
tfw my raid doesn't have DH and monks 
snow hamlet
@teal glen the same in my raid... lol
meager shuttle
sim yourself
some are better with mantle and sephuz
depends on your haste really
snow hamlet
it's better when trigger 25% haste or not?
tiny thunder
Ok i sim
raw dagger
Do you use blindside *instead of mut in execute range?
calm barn
you mean blindside?
raw dagger
yea
balmy tinsel
i'm not seeing much dps difference with top tier talents ๐ฎ
tawny shell
yeah it must just depend on haste. my rogue is best with shoulder/insig. Other guild rogue is best with Shoulder sephuz
tiny thunder
i have 16% hast
tawny shell
25%
median notch
what's your ilvl @tawny shell ?
i'm 248(41% crit/30%haste/26%mastery) and cannot sim more than 6k
lone junco
@tawny shell is that 18 panth to get 6719? number is too high.
raw dagger
You replace mutilate with blindside once you're in execute range for blindside spam right?
tawny shell
wouldnt everyone have a pantheon?
lone junco
thats not now that works.
typ sim with it at 0, but ive heard that 8 is relatively reasonable
tawny shell
word
lone junco
ive only seen 1 person with over 6700 is why it caught my eye
tawny shell
still doesnt change leggo combo :/
strange python
yeah they nerfed a ton of leggos in pvp. there's a post on mmo champion on it if you scroll down a bit.
calm barn
I must be blind, I can't find it
daring cave
Is Granbd Army worth using?
Grand*
i understand it says insig n seph and to try my own sims which i am, just wonder if insig of grand army was worth anything
strange python
it sims decent for some people.
strange python
item restore
prime void
that shit is looooong gone
prime void
havent played rogue since I got ce
strange python
I think 90 days is the limit.
daring cave
yeah my sims are telling me my BiS is mantle n insig.
understanding everyone is coming up diff
prime void
cloak get nerfed yet?
daring cave
is there a soft cap for haste?
strange python
yea cloak + hb is additive now
prime void
Good lol
river zinc
another dumb question. Has everyone's Roll the bones Weak aura break after the patch?
prime void
And I would assume a soft cap doesnt exist
strange python
not sure about a soft cap. but for me at around 25% it loses stat weights.
prime void
because we're not trying to fit extra gcds into windows.
river zinc
Tried that but its just a timer. It doesnt show all 6 buffs. I'll see if i'm missing one
strange python
well there's only 5 buffs
strange python
it's ok
daring cave
MP worth anything or EP still the go too
sacred ore
guys I still don't get it... should I use toxic blade or blindside when I have 4 combo points? or I shouldn't? because it may proc steal fate which will grant me 1 more combo point which makes me lose 1 combo point
strange python
ep is the way to go
atomic hamlet
Is simcraft correctly simming cinidaria ?
strange python
no
daring cave
@strange python can i steal a few mins of ur time with a private message?
strange python
sure thing
atomic hamlet
What's wrong with cini Sims ? Or how much do I have to subtract approx ?
strange python
oh, I assumed with the new mastery scaling the mp is worthless
@atomic hamlet the sim doesn't account for most of the raid dps being frontloaded
if it was just you soloing the boss then the belt sims would be accurate
I remember mizerok saying that belt is about 200 dps too high or something?
atomic hamlet
Not even mythic fights ?
strange python
that seems like a lot. but i digress.
sacred ore
I hope someone helps me with my question XD
atomic hamlet
I combined it with mantle
solid nova
If you're worried about over capping in that scenario
@strange python MP and EP i sim really close ๐คท
Blindside drops off a decent chunk
jade oak
Is anyone else having Helm/Raven sim highest. Have 33crit/29haste/29mast/16vers.
strange python
yea maybe I should run some MP sims.
zealous lily
internal bleeding is pretty cool for leveling stuff or small group pvp
it procs venomous wounds
sacred ore
what are the best PvP talents tho? I mean the actual PvP talents
atm im using Gladiator/Creeping Venom/System shock
and deadly brew
sacred ore
ow yea
strange python
but creeping venom/system shock/flying daggers seems good from a feelycraft perspective.
yea was gonna say.
was browsing the rest of the talents to find another single target one
sacred ore
alright thanks
steel wagon
cool
lone junco
I like garrote
sacred ore
6 seconds now ๐
restive otter
Sim'd myself with a bunch of gear sets. someone able to look and tell me what you think. I have all legendaries as well.
strange python
dont trust belt sims
restive otter
oh ok
strange python
in raids. most dps in frontloaded.
the first 10% will go by a lot faster than any other 10%.
if it was just you soloing the boss then the sim would be accurate.
north terrace
Hmm... all things considered I should probably be running Seph then, it sims just slightly lower than belt for me
naive scarab
sup all.... what's a good all in one WA now to track all our stuff?
restive otter
is vigor ring any good?
strange python
meh. could be good with mfd. sim it, a wise man once told me.
lone junco
@restive otter a wise guy i know is running vig/ds in M+.
big foks
big ct
but you can sim it for single raid.
restive otter
sims 100 dps less than insignia/sephuz
sacred ore
guys about the legendaries..... shoulders/wrists or boots/wrists?
trail hound
the real sim shady
strange python
sim it, a wise man once told me.
trail hound
How does one prove himself to earn assassination role around here
strange python
used to do it in #bot-spam but it's broken. have to ask a shadowblade.
jovial vault
looks like my bis are still shoulders bracers
desert orchid
so, with the patch out, did our bis lego's change?
desert orchid
how do you run those so it compares other specs and lego's?
fringe ginkgo
median notch
3 mins ๐
lone junco
@turbid zodiac I think we have the exact same gear setup
nice choices.
Oh wait. subterfuge still came in higher.
felt shit to not vanish env tho
sacred ore
Icy Veins suggests Blindside well :/
lone junco
turbid zodiac
wow
sacred ore
lol
lone junco
this is high
10.5% from trinket. i havent checked new logs. but that seems absurd compared to the ole 1.5%
turbid zodiac
Are there any OP trinkets for Rogues rn? Like the Int Darkmoon Trinket for some classes?
sacred ore
for when there is only 50 dps difference between shoulders/wrists & boots/wrists (shoulders/wrists 50 dps higher)
sacred ore
for me*
lone junco
better
sudden canyon
!guide
timber mauve
this shit is all over
lilac lily
dire spoke
oh the community thingy is live
jovial vault
belt isnt consistent it really depends on your raid comp
timber mauve
top end damage?
dire spoke
simc raid damage is linear, that's why belt is overvalued
timber mauve
rog
dire spoke
10% last "to long"
stray inlet
how do you fix the combo points bug again? its not in the pins anymore
for my guildmate
jovial vault
im getting shoulder/seph and shoulder bracer simming the same
timber mauve
k, im around the same too, even raven
timber mauve
woah
jovial vault
wish i had mythic shoulders and a seeping
jaunty pilot
So whens the community being made for this server in game then?
worn magnet
if im useing subterfuge i can garrote 2 times ina row and keep the 1005 dmg ye? prob a stupid question
north terrace
the damage buff is for the duration of the subterfuge buff, but why would you want to double garrote?
daring cave
whats best food to run?
north terrace
unless you have multiple targets, then it's definitely a good thing to do
@daring cave sim your stat priority and get whatever food gets you the most of that start
stat even
worn magnet
was thinking double on pull just for longer
limpid solstice
Why Sephuz over Ravenhodlt jw ;o
north terrace
well the opener has you vanish and reapply garrote for a long duration one after the initial stuff I think
strange python
vanish garrote with about 6 seconds remaining on the first one
north terrace
Yeah... so it's pointless to double garrote on the first out of stealth move
because you're already getting a pandemic garrote a little bit into the opener
somber hill
anyone got a weakaura to track poison bomb procs my current one from 735 isnt work
working
somber hill
anyone? poison bomb tracker?
dire spoke
no
shy kestrel
qqโ-i actually just deleted my pb wa today lol
dire spoke
@shy kestrel 
somber hill
my current one isnt tracking
dire spoke
no?
placid elbow
OoOoOOoooo 15% haste buff
dire spoke
well yes, but not berserk
untold current
is there a standard rotation yet. I see so many openers
placid elbow
my ilvl is too low to care about the opener
north terrace
is the mag'har racial looking pretty good for us?
placid elbow
Garrote>Mut>Rupt>go to town
dire spoke
@untold current it's the same opener like you used before with subterfuge
you vanish at garrote pandemic to prolong the empowerment
dire spoke
I was memeing
shy kestrel
xโD
frigid sleet
you mean trolling haHAA
dire spoke
lone junco
@limpid solstice sephuz is just a way to get more crit.haste The sims I've seen don't even have a proc
No buff in the output. It's just a stat ring.
dire spoke
well you can't proc it on patchwerk
I asked fuu how to do a proc sim but he ignored me like a tuna sandwich
lone junco
Right. That's why I think the profile is just low haste. Not that sephuz is good for sin.
lone junco
25-27% it falls just under crit from the ones I've seen.
timber mauve
like i dont have enough
civic palm
Was this potato warning always there?
dire spoke
( Pawn: v1: "Zempai - Assassination (Raidbots)": Class=Rogue, Spec=Assassination, Agility=3.27, CritRating=3.37, HasteRating=3.5, MasteryRating=2.93, Versatility=2.84 )
no like 26
lone junco
That mythic ilvl scale.
lone junco
๐ช
dire spoke
=_ =
shy kestrel
how many hours is your heroic guild?
dire spoke
O_ O๐ฆ
civic palm
ahead by .1%
Mostly due to my poor crit from being so mastery heavy previously.
Prydaz puts me over 31%
dire spoke
I gave up simc today, I went through enough combos
dire spoke
ye I still got loads of mastery
dire spoke
oof
random furnace
Anyone know the spell ID thats working in WA for Garrote and Rupture? I tried 703 & 1943 to no avail/
civic palm
Yeah Garrote and Rupture ๐
If you are trying to retrofit old WA's they might just not work at all.
random furnace
got ya
civic palm
703 works for Garrote for me though.
random furnace
Yea, I am trying to fix my old ones.
tacit steppe
i couldnt get any old ones to work
random furnace
Hmmmm ok, Might have to redo the WA
tacit steppe
not that its not possible, it might be, but i couldnt so may have to do that
civic palm
I made my old ones work but they include some NS/SUB snapshotting that does not want to play along.
SUB snapshotting specifically.
random furnace
Understood. Thanks for the quick response @civic palm
dire spoke
honest needle
should we be gemming and enchanting haste ?
dire spoke
if your simulation tells you that haste is your best stat, yes
honest needle
haste sucks tho for multitarget right
i cant be changing enchants every boss
i wish i new just a basic enchant thats good for both
prolly crit right
dire spoke
not like there are lots of aoe fights
twin prism
honest needle
and whats neck enchant hidden satr right
dire spoke
dire spoke
you can gear compare on raidbots.com and change the enchants
honest needle
didnt think of that ty
dire spoke
washington
molten flicker
but I was watching that
fringe ginkgo
wheat zealot
So which buff is better on argus now?
strange python
haste vers
civic palm
HAAAAAAAAAAASTE
rose shadow
Why are people going Subterfuge over nightstalker?
strange python
garrote's damage is on par with rupture now
rose shadow
oh wow i never noticed
gleaming geyser
just did m argus
that haste vers is lit
feels weird as fuck not going for crit mast tho
gleaming geyser
it did a very overwhelming amount of damage but yea
you'd think so
with all these white attacks
dire spoke
sounds racist
gleaming geyser
monkaS
full depot
Yeah getting 4 stacks of that haste buff was amazing
prisma coral
dumb question but optimal refresh for pandemic is what like 7 seconds?
civic palm
Sounds fine O _O
gleaming geyser
yea rupture is 7
zealous niche
so uh faction transfering lets you reopen the mythic chest for 1000 more essense
nice gift i guess for coming back
prisma coral
I honestly would have preferred the item
civic palm
Garrote is 5.4, Rupture is 7.2 (with Vigor)
strange python
what does vigor have to do with pandemic?
oh, you mean as opposed to deeper strat and the extra cp would change pandemic.
carry on.
civic palm
๐
sullen elm
what leggos for m+
deep beacon
For me probablymost of thet ime MFD
but if it's a low add dungeon maybe I would take vigor like UKara
fringe ginkgo
gotcha, thanks
deep beacon
I started using MFD in pvp so it becomes a bit more of a rhythm thing since I admit, it's a bit more of a hassle to run it MFD in terms of managment
dire spoke
just don't run m+ problem solved
deep beacon
M+ is arguablymore fun than raids lol
jovial kite
ill disagree there ironical
deep beacon
Good for you ๐ A gold star lol
jovial kite
Thanks
deep beacon
Just easier to get into as indicated by Zempai less people involved, don't have to wait on too many personal issues just a few ๐
supple hearth
welcome to GCD
dusty roost
Sure does
tough lantern
what got added to gcd? Thought it was just vendetta or did they make gcd slower too?
civic palm
Yeah all the new things on GCD, like... the one spell ๐
dusty roost
And we haven't even lost 4p yet! ๐ฌ
supple hearth
tbf i've only done pvp testing
civic palm
SIN is entirely hinged on Haste at the moment, if you are lacking in that department things will be sloooowwww.
prisma coral
I think I had 3% on tuesday up to 20 now and can't wait to get more
tough lantern
I am stacking haste like crazy
cursive valley
so with blindside now does that just replace mutilate when under 30%?
steep obsidian
i had some haste rings and necks in the bank
civic palm
๐
steep obsidian
and a 980 haste belt
tough lantern
steep obsidian
fgm
prisma coral
I had a pretty great crit/mas with the occasional vers setup this flip hit hard
supple hearth
cursive valley
ok so you still just mutilate and when the free blindside procs u use it?
tough lantern
jovial kite
Yep
supple hearth
dang btfo
cursive valley
ok ty
steep obsidian
noice
prisma coral
got a 255 haste/crit socket helm tonight from raid. step in the right direction
steep obsidian
can you still add a socket to belt or did they hotfix that
jovial kite
u should farm melandrus
prisma coral
yeah
prisma coral
what is the stacking haste trinket? Egg?
steep obsidian
the bonuses stop working at 116 like legos right?
prisma coral
yeah
steep obsidian
i have a 240 egg my 250 fang sims higher
the 30% haste when egg procs at the final stack is funny though
it just doesnt proc much
jovial kite
Titforge bti ๐คค
prisma coral
it's weird to see how much of my damage is melee now
steep obsidian
yeah
strange python
i see the hold your horses jack post got unpinned, is cloak/shoulder and the talent out
strange python
does the APL support it
prisma coral
rocking ravenholt and bracers as my best combo
strange python
or do i need custom
steep obsidian
unsure there but it did before so it should now?
jovial kite
yeah sims take the new interaction with cloak hb into account
sudden canyon
is sephuz bis?
civic palm
If it SIMs that way for you.
sudden canyon
does sim proc the ring
civic palm
Nope
lone junco
Does haste effect tick rate of pbomb?
strange python
anyone have a good rogue community to get in yet?
pale hound
theres one for this discord in announcements
steep obsidian
looks around
untold current
Anyone have M+ recommendations?
talent/leggo wise? Would cloak + hidden blades be good?
lone junco
Twas. Upper
untold current
Or just poison bomb all the way
lone junco
Outlaw.
untold current
lol
oak radish
hey guys. I have a dumb question, on the system shock tooltip it says I need to have garrote, rupture and lethal poison on the target with 5 combo points to go off. what exactly is "lethal poison"?
oak radish
ok thats what i thought. ty. been awhile since I played
steep obsidian
@untold current ct seems good for cleave pb for st you can always sim things tho
pseudo spade
Did leggo values get messed around? For some reason Cinidara's belt is simming higher than the boots with equal off pieces for me
sudden brook
the belt sims non accurately last i heard
steep obsidian
belt has always been hit and miss like it depends on the burst in your group/raid always
it only bis 100% for odyn ๐
fallen inlet
Ivanyr is godly at the moment lol
@oak radish I would highly suggest a nice weak aura or TMW with conditions so that you know when you will land a system shock. I mean you know by feeling but it's nice if something lights up nice ๐
steep obsidian
Ivanyr?
oak radish
@fallen inlet thanks! ill check it out
pseudo spade
If I have 4 combo points, should I use a mutilate and clip a point or just use a 4point finisher?
fallen inlet
One of the bosses in Arcway lol one shots people for doing mechanic right. Sorry off topic
nimble tartan
Dam i cant even get to 35
lone junco
using Gorslach for lols.
jovial kite
love your name @queen epoch ๐
lone junco
@queen epoch that one was shitty. my best is shoulder bracer 35/23/38 at like 5.4k
i cant make sephuz get anywhere near the top
i have melandrus and a good ring
strange python
@pseudo spade use finishers at 4+ cp
lone junco
queen epoch
everyone's rocking that ring atm it seems
jovial kite
@lone junco if ur 38 haste no wonder sephus isnt high for you
lone junco
im 23 now.
jovial kite
You get way more value from agi ilvl leg
pseudo spade
@strange python including rupture?
jovial kite
@pseudo spade you can rupture 3cp too if its dropping
pseudo spade
k ty
jovial kite
But env always 4+
jovial kite
what talents are you running
steep obsidian
your gear kinda blows though ilvl wise doesnt it noobe
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
i can get to like 25% haste and about 35% crit and a whole bunch of combos are within 30 dps of each other or so
i mean i guess thats a fair bit compared to what we were min maxinf for pre squish
lone junco
strange python
hell yeah war mode.
lone junco
its all good tho. about 90 sims later and im stuck with shoulder/bracer
daring cave
currently stuck with Shoulder/insig
fallen inlet
Why don't you have your WA. It's updated
fallen inlet
I just optimized and tinkered with mine for both assassin and outlaw
IE change things up like get rid of saber slash change to sinister strike
Had to change my logic conditions for my system shock icon display for some reason
Probably did about 20 or so fixes
Outfitter was just updated also
Now I am setting it all up again on my laptop ๐
zealous dew
why is everything so damn broken
hardy bluff
Fixing my WAs with help from details was actually so easy it surprised me
Miracle addon
fallen inlet
I don't look at it as broken. It's a different era so not only do they need to have the technical updates, you would want to update them to be more efficient and current. And it's a good thing, already gets you learning what stuff does more in a theory type way.
vapid moth
when we fight argus are we now supposed to take vers and haste
zealous dew
like sub gloves not giving cp ? ๐
fallow cypress
When you sim with sephuz, it calculates the proc everytime whenever available right? On boss fights w/o adds, isn't that improbable?
vapid moth
i dont htink it calculates the proc at all
fallow cypress
oh really? interesting
reef axle
ugh i have no haste gear, damn them for inverting haste with mastery!
wise frigate
There should be an option to make the boss cast which will cause you to interrupt and proc in the sim.
I haven't looked at Raidbots in a long time so I can't remember exactly where/how that worked.
warm parcel
Default is just raw sepuz
fallow cypress
Well you generally cannot proc sephuz unless there's an add in the fight i think! so not having the proc def makes more sense by default.
wise frigate
You can proc it by interrupting bosses too.
Dunno if any bosses have abilities that need to be kicked by a DPS though (in BfA)
But yeah in general, better to keep it default.
fallow cypress
how many bosses in antorus? imonar?
wise frigate
Unless you just really want to know the difference in proc vs. no fault.
Imonar, Coven
nimble tartan
when u get to kick on argus poggers
wise frigate
Argus yeah
dull cargo
Would it be best case scenario? Giving an average ppm per sephuz's internal cooldowns and your kick/stun/whatever works on an interruptible boss?
fallen inlet
@reef axle A suggestion is to review some of your items you sold or DE'ed from the last little while. You might have some haste stuff there. And it can be restored I think back a bit not sure from how long though now I heard it was not as long as it was before
nimble tartan
blinding a little add on aggramar poggers in the shat boys