i managed to make it, but then it disappears when subterfuge buff is gone, so dunno how to make it stay for the entire duration
#assassination
quartz depot
deep beacon
yeah need to make it so that it only checks the condition on activation
copper sinew
Need a custom activation and hide condition
strange grail
uhhh... i just tried assassin because sub sucks
is the whole spec just maintain 2 dots and envenom?
cold yacht
yes
twin prism
yes
quartz depot
very exciting spec
strange grail
thats... well, i guess after years of maining affliction I'm ready for this
cold yacht
to be fair what spec is exciting anymore? everything is pruned
twin prism
i heard bm hunter was really exiting
beacuse you can play it with a nintentodo controler
cold yacht
well played
copper sinew
@quartz depot Notter's WA doesn't work anymore?
ocean nebula
hmm i got 245 gs but cant sim over 5,7k. may stats to low or i am doing something wrong`? 35% crit 20% haste 51% mastery 12% versa
quartz depot
i dont know, i make my own WA's, but i obviously suck at it
copper sinew
@ocean nebula Your mastery is too high, your crit is too low, probably
cinder palm
haste feels so good on sin omg
copper sinew
@quartz depot I'm gonna dive into that Weakaura once home, I'll let you know and explain once I found out
quartz depot
hope i figure it out before that
copper sinew
I'm gonna be home in 45 minutes, not too long 😛
jovial kite
hmmm
copper sinew
Slackjack + jackSlagg
dire spoke
rain pewter
bestest marble angus?
why settle for angus when you can have beatiful beautiful wagyu
dire spoke
I think he meant purple anus
median notch
will you massage me too while eating wagyu?
copper sinew
You got that wrong, you massage the wagyu.....
rain pewter
:^)
median notch
oh really romp? tell me about it
median notch
i cant believe you actually telling
copper sinew
Well you gotta dive into the troll once you started it....
dire spoke
sounds herkullinen
quartz depot
@copper sinew looks like notters wa does that, i'll just steal that one then
vernal adder
kuullostaa ganska nice
copper sinew
@quartz depot Well just find out how he coded that shit and steal it - if that's what you meant, I'll see myself out
sweet pecan
is there a way to tell with weakauras if a garrote is empowered by subterfuge or not?
rapid flame
yes
strange python
yes. I couldn't tell you how, but yes.
rapid flame
if you used vanish prior to using garrote it is empowered :^))
copper sinew
Literally what we just talked about cytos 😄
Grab Notters Weakaura, steal the Garrote part, be happy, apparently
@rapid flame That doesn't account the first Garrote of a fight, which is empowered without using Vanish, though...
rapid flame
Vanish/stealth, still both empowers garrote , you could get a wa sure, but not like it's mandatory
copper sinew
No Addon is mandatory in WoW 
cold token
CT better than PB in m+ ?
mellow crest
Sometimes people forget it's empowered and overwrite
rapid flame
but how?
copper sinew
new mechanics, hectic, people yelling in discord
mellow crest
Because they're people
rapid flame
If people forget this maybe they ought to play with NS instead
mellow crest
Not everyone plays at the same level
copper sinew
Aiaiai ya boy Cathrosar has the 100 parses
rapid flame
Thats no way near what im saying lol, but w/e - not relevant to assassination discussion, go look through wago if you really need that WA & can't create it yourself
dire spoke
no keybinds are required in WoW
rapid flame
😦
copper sinew
Oy, no 100 parses? You ought to play something differeeeeeeeent ululu
junior flume
I have an empowered garrote and rupture WA in my frankensteined set up. I'll try to remember to post it later. Don't remember where i joinked it from 😦
night prawn
me 2
rapid flame
me 3
night prawn
no u god of rogue
rapid flame
yes oke sry i parse 14
tall radish
my first abt on rogue run i didnt even rank
it just said there was 9 ppl in the raid not 10
dire spoke
cold yacht
only have enough essence for one legendary atm -- shoulders or ring first?
copper sinew
Ring is the safer bet probably
dire spoke
the pinned legendary choice doesn't apply to everyone
wet yew
You get so many essences, failed bonus roll is 150, even if you don't need any more legendarys lol
dire spoke
nice reaction
copper sinew
Had to do it
spiral steeple
best legendary for m+ are back and insigna rn? and main stat is mastery?
rain pewter
@jovial kite finger me
copper sinew
wut
shy orbit
1 min lul
granite mist
Ah knew something was wrong.
dire spoke
nice try
strange grail
so how many times have you all ruptured today
strange grail
idk what else there is to talk about assass so far
i guess it beats sub rage :(
i might just have to swap to demo... THAT was fun...
vernal adder
wait for bfa
glass cloud
the 25 second Toxic Blade is throwing me off lol.
upbeat tendon
everyone is worried about what their characters do at 110... no ones talking about 120..
quartz depot
which legendaries are bis at 120
upbeat tendon
the ones that would go past 106?
supple hearth
🤔
upbeat tendon
do lego's even stick around?
supple hearth
No
upbeat tendon
yeah, they're disabled at 116
radiant fossil
Hi guys, can anyone tell me why ravenholdt is bis now since it deal like 2% dmg on my details.
quartz depot
fuck, notter's wa only works on the first garrote used out of stealth
strange python
yo yo yo yo
woven bane
wich pot is better atm might or war idk exact names?
ocean nebula
which trinkets u sue for m+? i guess seeping scourge isnt worth it
quartz depot
prolly fang?
quartz depot
oh ye, gorsch exists too
shut robin
gorsch and d
peak lake
what the point about 2p t20
marble hemlock
mobs move too much for forgefiends to be valuable
can either go cloak+belt with hiddenblades, or sephuz+belt with CT
although belt isnt that great for singletarget on bosses, but its pretty huge for the opening CT on trash
sudden ravine
Is no gear swapping live yet?
marble hemlock
id say belt is even better on tyra weeks since you actually get more value out of it on bosses while trash dies a lot faster, meaning buffing the initial CT hit on trash also is more valuable
quartz depot
what about bracers & sephuz
humble crane
Remember yesterday when people were telling me using the belt was a meme... @still pewter @exotic rampart
marble hemlock
bracers+sephuz are probably viable too, i just prefer the nightstalker CT opener with belt
exotic rampart
there are about 5-6 viable leggos
marble hemlock
yup
humble crane
Yea, and its gear dependent on your sim stats.
exotic rampart
longer fights favor belt shorter fights favor shoulders
exotic glen
seli ❤
exotic rampart
if your comp has low burst then belt and shoulders will be #1
if you can get 3 envenoms into that waist window thats fkn op
humble crane
I heard equipping only 1 leggo is the new meta -.-
exotic rampart
i did something worse on argus
last pull i stood on afterdeath got edged and died
humble crane
Na, you ressed at the tree in an optimal situation and are of course an idiot...
spring zephyr
Running out of energy a lot prob cause undergeared heavily
humble crane
Hmmm, equip more haste gear. Ive got like literally no energy issues
spring zephyr
Got none hahah
Got rid of it in 7.3.5 cause of mastery priority and haste irrelevance
spiral escarp
woven bane
so using belt isnt a meme anymore?
jovial summit
Hello guys, I'm new on this Discord. I've been playing assa rogue since the end of MOP (was subtlety back then) and I feel really uneasy with the new Haste stat prio. (Built my mastery to 170% and all my stuff resolves around this)
twin prism
gh go play dota man
and we will get used to the haste stat prio dont worry about it dude
humble crane
If you suggested it yesterday like I did, it was a 'meme' @woven bane . Now quite a few people are using it if you look at the top logs
spring zephyr
Lol started on bc
steep citrus
you must learn to embrace change. the reason for the haste stat prio is the same reason there was a mastery stat prio
it does the most damage
now
twin prism
yep
sweet pecan
what are you guys doing damage wise atm?
true ingot
5.2-5 personally
at 9% haste
Don't think I can get much higher without significantly more haste.
jovial summit
3.2k dps 222 ilvl and 7% haste
twin prism
by the way guys i made a video, and i cant tell if its super cringy or okay. if anyone is willing to watch a 2 minute youtube video and tell me their opinion about it id really appreciate it. i wont post it here, only in like pm or something
molten flicker
it is cringy af
twin prism
Feelsbadman
woven bane
but can anyone tell me wich potion is better atm or is it unclear atm
jovial summit
PM me @twin prism
humble crane
old war
spring zephyr
Is there a way u can change the size of the number text on kui plaes for the debuffs above health bars
jovial kite
@rain pewter no 
bold hearth
I actually don't see any top logs using belt.
dark crag
belt is worthless after 90%
bold hearth
Well other than it frees up a tier slot.
twin prism
Belt is absolute dogshit and anyone that tells you otherwise is wrong
solemn trout
for assassination, Amanthul is the best trinket now?
woven bane
belt still does more dmg than ravenholdt ring
dark crag
if you want 2pc+4pc play insignia+boots/bracer
pallid quarry
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kzCrnWtNifJvyDwBix5cys belt doenst sim right?
cosmic pier
but in real use belt is garbage
strange grail
man, assassin is great in pvp
so much damage, its stupid. and the rotation is so simple, i can focus entirely on mechanics
thick zodiac
I'm surprised about how many skills we have compared to others
strange grail
i actually kinda like it. for pvp there's so little stress
for raiding i might lose my mind but luckily i dont raid
thick zodiac
Other way around for me , Idk if I'm rusty or always been this bad lol
spice arch
top quick sim atm guys?
thick zodiac
I think just exposure. I'm not learning from my losses
cosmic pier
@spice arch 
humble crane
@jovial kite You hear that slackjack? No top logs with belt
frigid jasper
so I take it the belt is simming incorrectly?
spice arch
with mantle O_O
thick zodiac
Does it tell you the simulated rotation ?
quartz dew
lunar moth
@jovial summit is that what u sim at or what u do on the raider dummy?
jovial summit
It's what I deal in real time antorus heroic mode
humble crane
mmm, but the heroic fights only last about 2-4minutes
jovial summit
It lasts longer with my guild, we're not all really strong
lunar moth
@jovial summit mind doing 5 mins on the raidewrs dummy and telling me how you do?
jovial summit
Also, I'm only ilvl 222 because I came back last week from a year long pause
When I'll get back home I'll smack a raider dummy no probs
lunar moth
ok thanks
tight meteor
wrists simming decently?
copper sinew
y
lean hill
Sin seems to be all over the place , a lot more choices of legendaries to use right now
Shoulders, insig, sephuz, bracers
vivid bone
Good thing
thick zodiac
Won't everything just become redundant next month?
kindred abyss
not redundant. irrelevant
thick zodiac
Pretty sure redundant works there
nimble tartan
make sure u are using nightly and not weekly 😃
kindred abyss
redundant would suggest everything will be the same
sharp idol
lol
lean hill
19 panth and only up to 6.3, gross
thick zodiac
Redundant -not or no longer needed or useful.
still pewter
@humble crane kid running out of energy running vigor talent. Meanwhile I'm getting flooded with energy running DS
kindred abyss
I reject your reality and replace it with my own
thick zodiac
Attempting to correct language when asking a meta question is irrelevant
kindred abyss
we agree!
sharp idol
school lol
cosmic pier
have you tried subterfuge
dire spoke
have you tried sephuz
slate tulip
with subter i do like 40-50 dps less
dire spoke
steep citrus
I CAN'T LEAVE IT. your use of redundant was wrong
amber sleet
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xv4AnV2mqp4qTdVoPuuXsD These are my options.. Best sim without belt is almost 6,4k with bracers/insig
strange python
I saw gonna say do you have a scourgewing but you do
looks like you still have a lot of mastery.
rotund pier
PSA: they didn't squish the old gems. You can get 10 agi gems. They also didn't squish the extra gem slot belt buckle
cosmic pier
yorge copy your /simc output to a pastebin i'll have a go, but it might just be a case of average gear
rotund pier
@vestal wren Maybe add this to pins? PSA: they didn't squish the old gems. You can get 10 agi gems. They also didn't squish the extra gem slot belt buckle
strange python
belt buckle was fixed.
can't apply it to things anymore.
why would he pin broken pre patch things?
thick zodiac
What about already applied belts ? Do they keep them ?
thick zodiac
Fuck lol
sharp idol
yea ur reported 4 haking
strange python
@slate tulip none of your gear is enchanted/gemmed
slate tulip
what ?
sharp idol
lol
slate tulip
my gear is fully enchanted + gemmed
cosmic pier
chuck your /simc output in a pastebin, ill see what i can get out of it
daring cave
So are we still running insig and shoulders/bracers?. Or did it get fixed. I saw it was wat to use in pins but I just wanted to get some opinions
strange python
insig was doing double damage in sims. but it was fixed. BUT it's still a decent item.
just sim all your options.
daring cave
Ok and what's up with the belt?. No longer useful?
strange python
belt is unreliable in a practical raiding situation.
cosmic pier
none of your gear is enchanted or gemmed, you are doing something wrong
strange python
the sim doesn't account for most raid dps being frontloaded.
slate tulip
my stats are 44c/24h/44m
cosmic pier
are you using the simcraft addon for output @slate tulip
daring cave
Ok..
slate tulip
you mean /simc in game ?
cosmic pier
yes
strange python
that's why the belt is unchecked in the herodamage sims by default.
slate tulip
idk why it didnt show
strange python
it gives a higher output than it should.
slate tulip
i will try copy from armory
cosmic pier
nah you're all good
strange python
have you tried using the crucible ring
slate tulip
yes
cosmic pier
doesnt show up here for me either https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7oLcHLtAQ9rXKT1rsYgz2L
hollow gyro
mantle wrist simming 2% better for me
cosmic pier
frigid jasper
@rotund pier which one do you need to get the extra belt socket? I got the eternal one and it said too high ilvl
dark crag
how the hell do some with 255+ sim the same like ppl with 244
rotund pier
they fixed it
strange python
haven't seen a 244 sim close to a 255 one.
cosmic pier
because those of us at 255+ had really stacked mastery gear
atomic sonnet
Guys what the main stats now?
cosmic pier
so the stat flip fucked us
strange python
check the pinned resources.
slate tulip
in sim 801-01 i sim liek 6084
dark crag
i saved most haste gear and sit around 250 and sim 6.3
strange python
but i dont have a scourgewing.
cosmic pier
like i had a 985 ring from kingaroth, but no good haste rings. makes my stats pretty eh atm
clever mural
Did someone sim stat weights? Still mastery\crit or crit\haste?
slate tulip
1 more thing
strange python
slate tulip
what You think is better satry or claw on neck ?
strange python
satyr is higher for me. but not by much.
slate tulip
ok ty
weak isle
people saying belt fixed in sims?
strange python
haven't heard that one.
weak isle
i did before
stray pumice
Has someone tried the trinket/neck combo that gives you haste from court? does it sim well?
hollow gyro
Any of ya'll simming mantle/wrists over insignia combos?
cosmic pier
dunno, try it if you got it
you should be simming all your leggos to see whats good for you
strange python
i had a mantle wrist sim close to insig stuff. but that doesn't mean you will. i don't know your gear.
hollow gyro
Mantle/wrists is ahead for me by ~2%
strange python
@stray pumice can't see why not.
stray pumice
I ask cause i dont have the trinket only the neck but is a proc for more haste should work well
gleaming geyser
Talking about chrono shard?
lilac lily
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3286xNTc56zGqyZMAr95nf
I'm 250 and only simming 5.7k, is Scourgewing that strong right now?
cosmic pier
@stray pumice use gear compare on raidbots to insert gear pices if you wanna try them
strange python
scourgewing is insane.
gleaming geyser
Scourewing gives you a few hundreds depending on ilvl
strange python
you sir have a lot of mastery.
frigid jasper
whats the go-to neck enchant rn? figured haste gems/enchants
strange python
satyr or claw.
hollow gyro
Upgrading 210 Scourgewing to 240 takes me from 6,307>6,663. Hopefully the gods are good to me.
wheat solstice
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vrb5CFWgNkZ8qXwMTfHs5H
Was my highest simming outside of belt ofc
slate tulip
does any one try t20(2p) t21(4p)?
wheat solstice
I know for outlaw it’s the highest sims but personally I haven’t tried it for sin.
slate tulip
if i have t21 shoulders i could try it ...
brisk forge
I am simming 6.3 w/o seeping. Stupied 980 fang 🙈
wheat solstice
I really wouldn’t worry about it honestly, 3 weeks for BFA
twin kite
Do we ve to sim weekly or nighty? thx
wheat solstice
Use the nightly
hushed lion
nightyl
twin kite
Okay thx
brisk forge
I am always looking for the best options for gear since we're doin mythic for rerollers now before bfa hits
hushed lion
how do you change food again on sims? i forgot lul
strange python
for raidbots. scroll down to simulation options. then click "show all options". it will then show food/potion/flask/etc.
hushed lion
ah got it thanks @strange python
twin kite
I assume EP have to be close as possible to 100% uptime? like at en?
strange python
not anymore. its duration was reduced to 4s.
nimble tartan
Not 100
wheat solstice
It won’t be 100
twin kite
"close as possible"
wheat solstice
Yeah, key words haha
nimble tartan
U can check the html report if youre using raidbots and see the uptime of the buff
twin kite
If you pref, better to do eve a 3pc to have EP or 5 for dmg from eve
signal edge
Hi guys
daring cave
Hi
signal edge
I'm completely new to assa rogue. Where can i read up on stuff
atomic hamlet
Someone tested Virmens Bite potion from Mop (377 Agi for 25sec) ? 😮
signal edge
I have completely no clue what to do xd
ocean nebula
are the top parsed rogues on top cause Mantle + insig is best cause fight is just 3 mins or why nearly every rogues playing mantle + insig in antorus myt
daring cave
signal edge
I dont know where i check them x_x
strange python
mantle is good in short fights.
if the fight ends right after your second vanish. then your dps will be higher.
stiff grail
@signal edge in the top right of discord next to the members list
signal edge
Thanks!
stiff grail
there's also a guide linked right at the top
atomic hamlet
So i guess no one tested Virmens Bite potion so far ? 😄
true ingot
Everyone did.
limber wagon
Do we try for 100% uptime on Elaborate Planning?
strange python
you should try to keep it up as much as possible. but realize that sometimes you will run out of steam if you constantly go for it. i find myself having to back off of EP and wait for the envenom buff when running low on energy.
limber wagon
Okay cool, I just did some feelcraft last night and def felt like I was doing much more damage when I was trying to keep as high uptime on it as possible even if that meant doing 2/3cp env.
strange python
a 2cp envenom is most certainly not worth it.
limber wagon
Okay, noted
gleaming geyser
Big maybe 3cp during TB and evenom window? but else 4-5
frigid jasper
so whats the generic legendary combo people are running? we going with mantle+insignia or is cloak+HB a hidden BiS?
frigid jasper
F
frigid jasper
yeah am just an autismo and don't really know how to mass sim so I'm going at snail's speed
gleaming geyser
With raidbots queues, you're better off using simc's client xd
strange python
download the addon simulationcraft. then you can go in game and type /simc and it will you something to copy and paste into raidbots.
solemn trout
why AmanThul is the best trinket now?
strange python
amanthuls is not the best trinket right now, where are you seeing that?
solemn trout
frigid jasper
yeah I've got simcraft I'm just not sure how to like sim all items against each other (on simcraft) as it goes way over the iteration limit on raidbots
gleaming geyser
Sim permutation is the addon capri
frigid jasper
300 k iteration cap dont really go well with having like 2-3 variables for almost every slot :\
amber sleet
???????????
strange python
it also said serpentrix trinket was the best the other day. now it is nowhere to be seen.
2-3 variables for EVERY slot seems excessive.
frigid jasper
naw not every slot but majority of them
daring cave
Is there an updated rotation at all or is it still the same from before
I didn't see anything in pins but I might be over seeing it
grave flame
strange python
hi. check the pins before asking questions, and you'll be a step ahead of other newcomers.
unborn root
Are we going back to shoulders now that cape has been nerfed? Pins dont say anything about that
daring cave
Yes they do
strange python
except the pins give you legendary suggestions and tell you to sim yourself to ultimately find out.
and they even have updated herodamage sims
open reef
hey - if serphu's sims better then insignia or wrists that means im low in haste ?
so i should go with it
frigid jasper
whats considered a decent amount of haste
slate tulip
You sim yourself with how many panth trinket on raid ?
lunar agate
how many you have
lament dove
for aoe with CT build you guys still use cloak?
warm parcel
You never use cloak
hasty idol
weak isle
sorry if i missed this but what are the best food flask now? seventh and prolonged or anything else?
strange python
old war is better for me
open reef
old war is very good one - especialy if you dont use wrists (below 30%)
steep citrus
stats say cloak is top legendary by far on AHC so far
open reef
yes - burst on adds
warm parcel
Mop pot and flask with felmouth frenzy food
nimble tartan
virmens bite poggers
steep citrus
i didn't understand if "you never use cloak" was serious or not
nimble tartan
what does felmouth frenzy food do 😃
weak isle
wait felmouth is good food?
warm parcel
apparently
quartz depot
you dont use cloak on st anymore
steep citrus
warm parcel
old sims
steep citrus
on aoe
warm parcel
cloak is trash
strange python
dude, just read the pins
steep citrus
in real life
steep citrus
cloak is doing best.
warm parcel
well feel free to use cloak
nimble tartan
they didnt remove the inflated sims where the cloak was broken for half a day stacking
steep citrus
thanks
warm parcel
I would use army ring and perhaps wrists
quartz depot
cloak is good on high command though, since adds die fast
steep citrus
it's not sims and the mythic parses that show the same thing have basically zero exploit parses
nimble tartan
weak any combo of mantle, wrists, army, sephuz is like dps neutral for me idk what to pick 😡
nimble tartan
ye i mean logs phup my b
round harbor
cloak in m+ POGGERS
ancient sonnet
mop pot removes stealth REE
steep citrus
if i filter it to only show logs from today in the rankings, 6 of the top 7 parses are using cloak on mythic ahc
fierce ingot
sup guys have i missed anything in the last 12 hours
warm parcel
always was
steep citrus
and i'm saying cloak is good in aoe. you say never use cloak
it's not like those adds don't have to die
nimble tartan
id still not use cloak in progression on ahc
quartz depot
high command is burst aoe, not aoe
steep citrus
whatever. never means "never" last i checked
nimble tartan
i did play sub then tho xd
warm parcel
Ye
And I would never waste my lego slot on doing something useless
Such as padding on the adds
When I could instead use adds to do most boss dps
ancient sonnet
yo weak you said mop flask
warm parcel
Thats what I heard
ancient sonnet
but its less agility than current?
ancient sonnet
only 37 agi on the mop flask
pots are poggers tho
just removes stealth which is aids
warm parcel
yup 😄
nimble tartan
i believe it was the draenic flasks?
ancient sonnet
draenic is 49
twin prism
guys i found this nice video for assassination rogue guide for bfa
where can i share it?
ancient sonnet
current is 59
weak isle
draenic pots give 245 agil
ancient sonnet
so mop pots, current flasks and felmouth frenzy
open reef
@nimble tartan just roll
weak isle
vermin is 377 agil
junior flume
Hey guys, do you know if, when simming sephuz, it counts on you getting the buff from interrupting every 30 sec?
open reef
but for 20 sec or somiething
nimble tartan
it does not @junior flume
junior flume
Awesome! Just wanted to make sure cause many fights you won't really get to benefit from that
sand whale
virmen's bite
nimble tartan
but imagine the ones where u do 😮
sand whale
oh I see someone mentioned sorry
junior flume
Yea for sure!
sand whale
there's also an old flask that gives like 91 vers
hot copper
Are you guys energy starved all the time as well?
ancient sonnet
elixir of the rapids
hot copper
Even with Garrote and Rupture up and 25%~ haste?
ancient sonnet
71 haste
vale marten
get more haste, its realy fast then
weak isle
even with 29% haste
ancient sonnet
is that pog or nah
strange python
not at all
junior flume
Not all that much, it seems pretty close to before pre-ptach i feel
ancient sonnet
71 haste vs 59 agi
prisma wind
Is anyone else enjoying the new FoK sound haha
weak isle
so there is no outstanding food flask pot xD
snow hamlet
strange python
did you use weekly or nightly
strange python
oh right
strange python
i dont even see the insignia dmg
weak isle
so felmouth, seventh demon/elixir of rapids, old war/draenic ?
strange python
oh the name is so long it wasn't displayed correctly
nimble tartan
virmen's bite 😡
nimble tartan
i mean it is underwhelming cause its BORING
round harbor
its just like 2% dmg
feelythinking bracers seem like theyd do more than 60k dmg on argus
hot copper
I'm not 4-setting, and I'm at 26% haste rn
weak isle
vermin breaks stealth? no right?
nimble tartan
i mean if it was still prog i'd still value bracers over insig even though insig did higher dps slightly on sims
hot copper
But damn, i'm starved for energy.
round harbor
im also very low haste from where i need
junior flume
It's a little weird getting use to so many different combinations. Everyone gets so many different results
strange python
if you dont have tier 21 then it is normal
i like the many different leggo combos.
round harbor
i got t21 & t20
strange python
I even had a vigor ring + mfd sim kinda close.
junior flume
I have been wondering about that too, but haven¨t played around with it
hot copper
Isn't that worrying, going into BFA?
strange python
yes
junior flume
Is it? Doesn't it just mean that there's more room for varied builds?
strange python
he/she means the energy situation without tier
silk sundial
As of right now I haven't seen any azerite traits that help with energy regen
junior flume
Ahh okay
weak isle
virmens bite breaks stealth 😡
i'm running shoulders cus they sim highest, wasting time on crit 😡
junior flume
back to potting pre stealth then ^^
weak isle
what if your tanks are not reliable 😦
sand whale
amber arrow
Is that the hfc food?
strange python
felmouth frenzy
nimble tartan
yeah that looks like some solid dps
warm parcel
Seems good 👌
sand whale
I'll test more just fishing more lol
junior flume
Seems to vary a lot based on the rest of your gear. At least for me. Scourge Wing seems to be a good go to though. And then of course Argus trinket
arctic venture
legendary, people already get a point which are the best?
im with mantle and ring.
ravenholdt.
woven bane
does anyone have a decent opener if you use mantle? the gcd on vendetta fucks everything up
arctic venture
sourgewing, damn just have one 225
lean hill
You can open the same way as legion minus kingsbane
warm parcel
use ven in precombat
warm parcel
If you dont want to hassle with it
prisma wind
Damn I wish Blindside had the old Dispatch sound
storm canopy
Why is hero damage not showing the top spec for sin? im seeing it start at rank 7 with a -1% dps
round harbor
yeah i was getting some really strong openers with vendetta @ 1 on timer
lean hill
@storm canopy what you see excludes sims with belt
storm canopy
why is that?
strange python
most raid dmg is frontloaded
storm canopy
So is insignia/ cloak not what we are running anymore?
strange python
if it was just you soloing the boss then it would be accurate
supple mesa
So have any of you guys raided?
novel girder
Is there a TLDR of the new talents somewhere for assas?
supple mesa
pins
storm canopy
obviously i know to sim myself, i just wanted a quick reference
novel girder
Thanks
hoary copper
There is no quick reference since your off pieces can change it
rain violet
still sky
I have just because I still have a ton of them
steep citrus
same
old war supposed to be better, but i'm not spending a ton of gold trying to be king of prepatch
hoary copper
You can sim it, I just dont remember how
steep citrus
gems on my server are 20x cost what they did a week ago.
oh well, guess i'm sticking with mastery
strange python
i like how our dk gets flagged on kills now because of abusing 😄
shadow talon
what does "Crucible" legendary means in https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/combinations/1t-t21-rogue-assassination-poison ?
strange python
the free legendary you get from killing argus.
warm parcel
The mastery abuse seems to result in an instant flag
sand whale
so felmouth frenzy is like 1.5% ish kinda like back in wod
strange python
playing with crimson tempest was crazy good
shadow talon
@strange python do you mean Insignia of the Grand Army ?
novel girder
god I missed crimson tempest so bad
shadow talon
so it is the BiS leg for Assassin now
limpid willow
hey someone in here was saying toxic blade wasnt working properly or something
is this still the case?
sim dps says i should be hitting 2.7k-2k.8k but even with 100% uptime on garrote/rupture, im barely hitting 2k dps on target dummy
solar willow
i remember as rogues we had a thing where as we attacked boss, boss was taking extra% phys damage, did this go through to prepatch or got removed?
limpid willow
yeah its monk specific now
gaunt spire
@novel girder Crimson is so much more fun to play with than poison bomb 😄
solar willow
so rogues bring nothing to a raid now
shadow talon
herodamage.com say so ? Insignia, Crucible
warm parcel
We still bring best personal utility in the universe
hoary copper
solar willow
i mean yeah we still get to run around to do the tacts
warm parcel
hunter has no buff either
jovial kite
you mean 100% uptime for melee damage
hoary copper
Doesnt druid have mark back?
harsh aurora
Nope
strange python
argus ring + sephuz works insanely well for me
kind gorge
What is the Mastery cheese people have been talking about?
harsh aurora
Druid/DK/Lock bring brez, Hunter technically brings lust along with Shammy and mage, mage/priest/Warr/DH/Monk bring raid buffs, so the only classes that don’t technically bring any mandatory raid utility are rogues and pallies
shadow talon
on https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/17 popular combination legs are shoulder + ravenhodt ring
hoary copper
What did DH get for buffs?
kind gorge
Magic Damage Debuff
kind gorge
Well they deal mostly Chaos damage
limpid willow
they do a lot of magical
hoary copper
I still dont think of them with it rather than lock, mage, etc
Least my MW finally brings utility
flint jetty
Did they change the cd on Garotte?
strange python
yes
harsh aurora
It probably would’ve fit better on lock (curse of elements anyone) but I see the logic; they don’t bring lust or brez so throw them the debuff
tender sapphire
Is assasination the best specc now in the prepatch? heard subtley can bring out some dips as well but mainly in pvp i see assasination?
deep beacon
All 3 are decent specs just different.
kind gorge
I played Outlaw last night and got whipped by 2 Assasination rogues equal level
tender sapphire
hmm, cause im rolling outlaw atm, but i've gotten my ass beaten by ass
(huh pun intended)
kind gorge
Ya got beat on ST
hoary copper
There were sims for the ST and multi target and Sin basically wins out on multi target
tender sapphire
hmm yeah saw a bit, how about single? and pvp?
hoary copper
They were in the bfa channel thats gone now
steep citrus
sin is a meme right now. with the current meta and the loss of kingsbane, a dumdum spec is even dumdumer
strange python
but those weren't pre patch sims
steep citrus
even a cave man could do it?
strange python
right now assassination seems to be the best in everything.
hoary copper
I think mostly ST they were close with Outlaw and Sub being higher and sin being a little below if I remember
tender sapphire
Okay so Sin is the shit for dips now? even in pvp?
hoary copper
You know everything will change with tuning?
limpid willow
hey im new to rogue. whats some common utility you find out of this class? for add CC mid fight it seems we dont have a ton. (have to be in vanish or use the 2min cd one)
I know we have cheat death which will always have a use in some fight, feint keeps us tanky and cloak is dope as well
talking mostly raids
hoary copper
Play what you want to play and worry about tuning later
limpid willow
daily reminder that in legion pre-patch demonlogy warlock was literally #1 dps
tender sapphire
Yeah i know, i just wanna do some dips before the tuning and all that
strange python
did the cheated r1 get removed from mythic? i got 3 r1 now whith subfar tries
tender sapphire
yeah that shit was crazy
harsh aurora
@limpid willow we have blind and kidney shot, though kidney is sort of a last resort
teal glen
grand army sucks for me 😦 melandrus+sephuz+bracers sims a lot higher
harsh aurora
Though if you have prey on the weak you can proc it with a 1-point kidney
Probably not a personal dps increase (I literally don’t know) but definitely a group dps increase
limpid willow
yeah uh i was doing heroic aggramar and i got used to paralysis on my monk
and im like "oh rogue has a ton of CC like sap"
i fucked up big time
I fucked up really hard
harsh aurora
Yeah blind is the only way to cc adds for rogue
On agg
Kidney works as a “ohfuck this is going to hit agg and wipe us” last resort but it’s definitely not ideal
strange python
had 4,6 imonar being nr 1 / 6,25 on hasabel r1 and 8 on high command r1 too, thought some na logs should be higher with cloak pre nerf?
trail hound
You can cast a quick kidney as the add is getting pulled by DK for sephuz proc too btw
quartz depot
they would be if na players were good at the game
copper sinew
NA logs
kind gorge
Anyone tried Sin vs Outlaw in M+ ? Was planing on running a few in both specs just wondering if any feedback
copper sinew
Nobody has tried that ever
steep obsidian
sin seems pretty good with ct for dungeons
strange python
thank god my guild has private logs anyways :>
steep obsidian
have only played ol on beta and its decent there
restive otter
so is vermin bite best to use now? and felmouth frenzy?
limpid willow
why would you private log 😠
steep obsidian
because idiots obsess about their dumb ranking and not getting the boss dead
strange python
my guild logs privat bc they dont want ppl to get recruited away
steep obsidian
lol
trail hound
poach lyfe
strange python
yeah 😄
old hamlet
the new stats are there any soft caps now?
frail harbor
what talent should i go for M+
exotic glen
open turret
@fiery flower when will you update guide 
pallid quarry
is it worth finishing with less than 4 cp to keep up ep? I can't keep up EP witht that low haste but it is still simming better
copper sinew
@pallid quarry no
How much haste do you have?
And how much uptime do you get on a boss fight?
brisk forge
Nah dont use below 4 CP forEp Maybe during tb but Thats it
copper sinew
Not even then
brisk forge
Cant have same uptime as when EP was a 5 sec cd
silk sundial
Having low haste I Sim better using MP on ST
copper sinew
lol
copper sinew
That's a pretty low uptime for that amount of haste. Is that on a boss fight with heroism?
pallid quarry
It's aggramar, and without Hero even used
silk sundial
What's your crit? That would effect your uptime too
copper sinew
Oh Aggramar, lol. Yeah, that's fine then
copper sinew
Seems fine if you didn't use Heroism and considering it's Aggramar
prisma carbon
anyone got some nice weakauras? the ones i've found are either missing specific talent options or are buggy
pallid quarry
Just watched into the logs of aggramar and found some ppl having 85%+ uptime
I dont know if I can reach that during the bloodlust at the end
brisk forge
https://wago.io bunch there that are working and got like every ability. Using my own was but i know there is some @prisma carbon
subtle lodge
what does HB stand for
vestal wren
hidden blade
subtle lodge
so is that + cloak still the go to or still need to wait a bit to find out whats best
vestal wren
and the pin is old and was not removed
simc has it fixed already and raidbots
just removed it, i forgot to do it, sry
hoary copper
Bad fuu
vestal wren
raidbots is up to date feel free to sim
subtle lodge
thanks!
hoary copper
copper sinew
@pallid quarry You would probably reach ~77 to 78% - the rest is probably proc luck and proper clipping
strange python
Hey guys. Since prolonged pots are dead(from what i heard). What is the go-to currently?
Also like to know what food is best atm
hoary copper
I believe its old war?
pallid quarry
I mean most people I looked up with that high uptime have 200 haste more than me, so I think that should be alright. Was just wondering why it's still better than MP considering that my mastery is quite high @copper sinew
hoary copper
food is more based on stat weights
strange python
So if im 33,19,45,14. Should i eat haste food or go with the suramar feasts?
kindred abyss
Did they give Vendetta the energy gain back?
naive scarab
hey gang... what are the best WAs for tracking all our rogue buffs, bleeds, abilities etc? the ones i was using are no longer viable in now
copper sinew
Did you really just ask here instead of just reading the tooltip of the spell Jarlaxxe?
@naive scarab www.wago.io search for some that suit you, your playstyle, ... - there are no "best" weakauras
kindred abyss
I read the tool tip. was under the impression that, that was removed from vendetta
hoary copper
Whatever stat sims highest, use that food @strange python
naive scarab
got it i'l check it out... what are some popular ones?
hoary copper
You can filter by popularity
naive scarab
lol oh nice dude!
hoary copper
What I like may not be the same as what you do
glad ferry
Wtf is crucible
warm kettle
Fuuuuuuu auto correct
strange python
we need rogue communities horse side
warm kettle
😑
quartz depot
Chain of the Unmaker 950
pallid quarry
nvm, got it
vague saddle
295 item level? How lol
pallid quarry
Yea just saw the necklace
azure bridge
what are you guys using in m+ atm? going with wrist+sephuz atm and CT, just wondering if someone has a better setup
hoary copper
Pins has talents set up
exotic glen
p i n s
thick zodiac
Questions aren't allowed
hoary copper
Blessed is @keen inlet who gave unto us the and emoji
Click on Pins
Maybe theres an answer
about talents
and multi target
🤔
exotic glen
sims will tell you literally every combinations available to you at the moment
how can that not tell you what you need to know
azure bridge
i read it already obv, im asking if someone is using different lego setups?
strange python
🤔
exotic glen
sims literally simulated every fucking setup
proven hemlock
If there was a better set up than the pin, that would be pinned instead
exotic glen
how can someone just personally shit out a random setup that might be better
hoary copper
What is good for one isnt necessarily good for you. You understand how off pieces can change that right?
hoary copper
You can sim for m+
azure bridge
yes i know
exotic glen
m+ was simmed too
strange python
Sims has things for multi target and cleave and st
hoary copper
Somones looking for 🥄
exotic glen
you're mkaing me reeee irl
ocean nebula
can someone tell me his settings for sim aoe cleave trash fight for m+
azure bridge
im not looking for spoon, i was just curious what other people were running, i simmed myself multiple times
hoary copper
Its the lowest amount of time with 3 or more bosses. I think I usually pick 5. Probably other ways to do it
restive otter
is 21% haste considered low or decent?
exotic glen
in my best gear set i can only muster 15% LMAO
fierce ingot
I got a lot more than i thought i could lol
restive otter
I am currently sitting at 46/21/51
exotic glen
but thats because i only had max mastery set from before prepatch
grim canopy
my orc is finally straight
slow stag
its okey to be gay 😃
solar willow
i sim 900 more with elaborate planning than blindside using shoulders insignia
strange python
elaborate is great rn because of the high uptime
in BfA blindside will pull ahead
grim canopy
ok so now everyone is mad im a rogue, whats wrong with rogue atm
civic palm
Blindside might be good for 1 tier.
Unless stats are so slow that MP/EP cannot catch up.
strange python
which will probably be first tier lol
civic palm
or we get some traits that seriously mess wit things.
amber sleet
EP is way ahead for me now
amber sleet
26% haste sure helps alot
haughty moth
what kind of EP uptime should we have? Like should we be using finishes to keep EP up 100%?
civic palm
Will vary with your Haste.
strange python
24% haste feelsbadman
solar willow
do i need to track EP like we did with SoT or it's just a thing that will operate behind the scenes
amber sleet
I had 86% uptime on EP on Garothi Mythic
Which is ok i guess
But can get close to 90% for sure
haughty moth
thanks guys - i just saw the new stat weights xDDDD haste 😮
slow stag
i got 7% haste feelsgoodman
strange python
I had 2% when prepatch went live
civic palm
2.41% FOR LIFE
haughty moth
im on 2 rofl
amber sleet
LUL
haughty moth
worst thing is i dont have access to item restore for a week :3
amber sleet
Luckily I had really good Outlaw set before prepatch so had plenty of haste gear
solar willow
the most important is to get a haste on a neck piece or finger i guess. those are the stat sticks
strange python
265 haste neck
strange python
I have both at 265
slow stag
Are elaborate planning that good?
amber sleet
If u have enough haste, ye
civic palm
strange python
copper sinew
@solar willow Please track EP and clip it
solar willow
i need a wa for it i guess. i'm too dumb to make one
copper sinew
lolwhat
solar willow
i'll think about it
civic palm
OFFER OVER TOO LATE
ocean nebula
someone has a list with crit/haste items and where to get?
civic palm
Yeah the Adventure Journal has the list... o _o'
solar willow
Off to a good start
amber sleet
Hahahah
mossy dirge
@ocean nebula http://www.wowhead.com/items
solar willow
do i still need to fit 2-3 envenoms within the tb window or?
civic palm
Fit as many as you can as it's still damage amp that stacks with EP.
Considering we're so spammy after getting a ton of haste, 3 might be easy?
solar willow
i'm sitting at 14% haste and i'm wondering why i'm struggling to keep up the ep debuff
civic palm
Because you only have 14% haste > _>
and you're not getting multi-target regen that would keep you in the window longer.
solar willow
ye i get it now it all makes sense now
vale shore
is Zoldyk still the best legendary? icy veins switched to Ravenholdt ring at some point with no explanation
haughty moth
xD
solar willow
there are no explanations why ravenholdt is bis other than it has the right stats and i works
same with ferals their bis is sephuz wether they proc it or not
civic palm
and with the step-child Enhancement.
civic palm
Where Prydaz/KJ's is king.
vale shore
I feel like as long as we are dispatching the target at execute range, we might as well also be poisoning them for 30% more too...
sorry, Blindsiding the target
strange python
hey guys im playing wow because i love this game
steep citrus
GRATZ
civic palm
👏 👏 👏
humble cape
Bleed or poison?
strange python
u can use both
vale shore
Just make sure the target does not bleed out all the poisons you have injected, that would be counter-productive...
humble cape
bleed seems more interesting
fierce ingot
na poisons are cooler
humble cape
the rotations
poison is pretty barebones in terms of rotations
u got like 2 buttons to press
humble cape
ye but u gotta use ur thinking cap
civic palm
No you don't.
plucky night
Why do i want to vanish and garrote? looking at single target rotation
civic palm
Refresh bleeds push button ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Because you're using Subterfuge no Shoulders?
Guide is 120 not 110?
civic palm
About?
plucky night
is it thanks to the 2% haste?
solar willow
it was more like 6% i jumped from 13% to 19%
civic palm
Good stats, etc.
radiant wharf
Is Vendetta buffing the bleed/poisons thats already up or do i need to reuse bleeds for the buff?
civic palm
We don't snapshot anything outside of Nightstalker, the spells update dynamically.
steep citrus
for $1 a month or some shit, you can support this site that's doing a lot of work for you and jump to the front of the line
limpid solstice
^ shill it
civic palm
or, I can wait :3
steep citrus
i pay a ton of money so I can pick all my gear at once, jump to the front of the line and run a sim that ties up the queue for 20 minutes
solar willow
this is where some nice tomb pieces would come in handy
civic palm
lol
The REAL point of paying to get ahead of the queue is to make it worse for everyone else.
sudden canyon
lol
limpid solstice
Chances are that you have a friend or an officer that already pays or gets paid to theorycraft other classes ; pastebin -> send -> receive results fast.
It's like picking lock boxes but with simcrafts!
torn junco
Is it worth using ct on st?
frigid perch
Hey all, I'm looking at the new rotation... Is Envenom really that low priority?