assassination

[sudden brook]

or at least was

[fathom falcon]

Most ST situations, it most of the previous tier of raids..

[flint jetty]

What kind of uptime should we be looking at for EP?

[weak isle]

So any news or bug fixes these last 12 hours?

[brazen sky]

How are people even getting 25% haste

[ripe nimbus]

By equipping haste gear

[primal sigil]

25 haste is the breakpoint or something ?

[ripe nimbus]

No

[scenic quail]

if you're true min-maxing, why would you TB prior to vanish garotte. Why wouldnt you vanish garrotte -> mut -> TB then envenom

[jovial kite]

My breakpoint is around 27

Sim your own plots

[ripe nimbus]

There is no break point sim ur self

[flint jetty]

Goot thing I kept all the haste shit I got from all my caches and weekly chests

[winter beacon]

how good is haste for assa now ?

[jovial kite]

i mean there is 🤷

[flint jetty]

Nash youd be wasting cp in that situation

[sudden brook]

pretty good

[winter beacon]

i got 24% haste

[sudden brook]

sick dude

[jovial kite]

Im at 27 and crit is better now

49 crit

[scenic quail]

1 + 2 + 1 = 4?

[jovial kite]

sim

Your

Self

[scenic quail]

at most you overcap 1 CP if you crit mut and crit TB, but that happens plenty when mut'ing from 3 cp anyway

[flint jetty]

yeah i was thinking shoulders anyways xd

[scenic quail]

but there's no point in TB'ing prior to vanish garotte

[royal bronze]

any good WA's out?

[sudden brook]

yes there is

[scenic quail]

you lose 1 GCD worth of the TB effect on your garotte

[jovial kite]

Why wouldnt there be

what

[sudden brook]

yeah and?

[jovial kite]

???

[sudden brook]

toxic blade does a lot of damage, u click it off cd

[brazen sky]

What I mean is, why do people even have/had haste gear to begin with? Before patch was min-maxed to proper stats and everything else was either passed, tossed, or sharded

[sudden brook]

if ur wasting time not clicking it

u deal less damage

[jovial kite]

What

[sudden brook]

@brazen sky item restore

[jovial kite]

Ok so

[deep beacon]

or used for outlaw spec

[jovial kite]

You tb within vendetta

[brazen sky]

@sudden brook you a genius bruv

[sudden brook]

i know

[jovial kite]

You tb within ep env

[brazen sky]

5000iq

Gonna do that shit tonight

[jovial kite]

and you get 3 env in within tb

Do that it doesnt matter when u tb

???

the sooner the better

[cold patio]

did server transf. no restore available 😩

[fiery nest]

F

[jovial kite]

1 gcd lost within tb means nothing if you get 3 env in

youll use that gcd to gain combopoints anyways

[flint jetty]

And looking at the APL from simming

[jovial kite]

so im kinda lost at what nashys getting at

[flint jetty]

you dont vanish furing the first tb period durin vendetta

[jovial kite]

yeah you pandemic it

[flint jetty]

after the tb period vanish garotte mut env

[zinc zephyr]

I want to kill myself.
Accidentally deleted my weakaura pack I made yesterday for 3 hours. I wanted to delete my old one which was bugged without artifact..

[sudden brook]

unlucky

[fiery nest]

Lol

[zinc zephyr]

and of course I didn't make a backup because it was still in fine tuning..

[ripe nimbus]

Amateur

[primal sigil]

are we going CT for high m+?

[ripe nimbus]

Send a suggestion to WA for a CTRL+Z key toggle to undo deletes hehe xd

[primal sigil]

or sticking with PB ?

[scenic quail]

soz, mid argus pull

[ripe nimbus]

Pb is shit

Ct is not shit

[scenic quail]

so i just did it in the reverse order i.e. vanish -> garotte into a TB. you still get 3 envenoms in

[sudden brook]

.

[amber sleet]

But u wanna use it as early as possible to get the CD rolling

[scenic quail]

didnt have to hold it

[sudden brook]

u want it to be on CD more often

[scenic quail]

it lined up

[sudden brook]

yes u did though

wghat

[scenic quail]

wasnt on opener

[warm parcel]

Dno why you guys are still feeling BS.

Its even in the pins that you use it in exe unless you have vr selected.
Then its only blinking lights

[sudden brook]

im so confused

[scenic quail]

so i had 8s left on garotte, 9s left on TB timer, vanish up

soz, 4s left on TB timer

[primal sigil]

so, if we go CT in higher m+ is it used on ST or just trash/cleave ?

a bit lost with this

[scenic quail]

waited for garotte to hit pandemic, vanish garotte at pandemic timer straight into TB

[sudden brook]

you never cast CT on single target

[scenic quail]

TB spent less than 1s up before used

[warm parcel]

CT usage is in the pin too

[scenic quail]

its minimal, but meant at no point was TB applied while a vanished garotte wasnt

[primal sigil]

i see, cool, was rolling PB all of alst night, shall try CT tonyt

[rough yarrow]

CT rapes on 2-3 adds. u can actually top aoe with many adds spamming CT

[primal sigil]

oh.. did nto see tht withh check it thanks @warm parcel

[warm parcel]

Can people spend 3 sec reqding stuff instead of repeating same stuff over andnover

[sudden brook]

dont spam ct

[jovial kite]

[scenic quail]

where if you TB beforehand its up for a small period (~1 GCD) before a subterfuged garotte is ticking

as long as you dont need to hold TB for it, its better no?

[jovial kite]

tb doesnt matter to garrote

[primal sigil]

noi kno how to use CT, i was just unaware if i will be using it on ST is all

[warm parcel]

Its not mentioned to be used in st

So no

[rough yarrow]

i spammed it yesterday and it wrecks. althought im still testing stuff but CT was top dmg

[flint jetty]

He saying wasting tb preiod with garotte gcd

[sudden brook]

You playing poorly and still doing well doesnt make it right

[warm parcel]

Nor is ct even a talent pick for st bosses

[rough yarrow]

i know like i said im testing stuff dont care if its optimal atm

[sudden brook]

well dont tell other ppl to do unoptimal things

[rough yarrow]

its just funny to beat the shit out of boomies in aoe lol

[primal sigil]

yeah i know it isnt.. but i was asking for M+

[rough yarrow]

tell me when did i say do as i do

i said what i did

[plucky ember]

what is a decent amount for dps now?

[warm parcel]

CT is bad for a single target, yes

[jovial kite]

6.5+

@plucky ember

[plucky ember]

alright

[warm parcel]

Just keep it up on 2+ and youre good

[primal sigil]

got it

[grim jay]

smh sin seems kinda too strong on lower ilvl compared to other specs

[jovial kite]

sin is really good atm in st, 2t and 3t sustained cleave

[grim jay]

my 215 horde rogue with t20 is having a consistent 4.5k on st

with only dropping to 4k on imonar

[sudden brook]

sin is absurd right now

[grim jay]

while my main is at 6.8

[sudden brook]

across the board

[shell canopy]

Then i think i'm doing something wrong. Didn't raid yet, but i only sim at 4.5k at 230 iLvL

Not minmaxed though, still got the mastery gems in.

[sudden brook]

that probably is why

[grim jay]

I got like 18% haste

on it

[warm parcel]

Youre looking at 30 dps per gem swap

So its not just gems

[weak isle]

Simming 6K but dummy 4.5K

[fiery nest]

Sockets are worth 30ilvl atm

[grim jay]

dummy is a meme anyways

[clever mural]

Why everybody playing with Insignia of ravenholdt? I tried it yesterday and effect was about 3% of dps in ST.

[jovial kite]

@fiery nest depends on the piece

[shell canopy]

Alright, but don't think it's worth it, at least for me. Don't think i'll raid until BfA hits.

[jovial kite]

and ilvl

for those that agi is highest, the socket value is less compared to 30 ilvl

[fiery nest]

Jewelry

[grim jay]

@clever mural stats are good aswell

has a good load of the important stats

[sudden brook]

i mean isnt BIS for MM hunter prydraz?

[grim jay]

affl has prydaz as a part of his second highest comb

[sudden brook]

sometimes the secondary stats are just enough to push it over the edge

since they are way less plentiful

[fiery nest]

Enh bis is prydaz kjbw lmao

[sudden brook]

christ

[fiery nest]

Sephuz 2nd to kj

[grim jay]

anyways my 215 hordie is that high with mantle/insig

[plucky ember]

jesus, what happend with monk tanks, they can kill shit real quick now,

[sudden brook]

?

[plucky ember]

was in a +10 earlier and the tank killed evrything before the dps was there

[sudden brook]

probably bcuz it was a +10

[plucky ember]

sorry, real off-topic

[shrewd pine]

+10

[plucky ember]

yes thats what i get for not bothering with with M+ is in a couple of weeks

trying to help a friend get back into the game allso

[grim jay]

well monk tank overall does quite a bit of damage

you are right there

well

how the fuck is crucible suddenly on top of sims

on multiple classes

[supple mesa]

Stats

Probaby

[grim jay]

ye but it just got that way today

[frosty iron]

why so many rets with darkmoon cards @dreamy shelldps in logs

[supple mesa]

Bug

[sudden brook]

bug

[supple mesa]

They can spam 1 ability

[sudden brook]

1 reallllllyy good ability

[slow stag]

Do anyone here know when the Q&A today goes live?

[plucky ember]

7-8gmt?

i think, might be later

[solar willow]

any1 who pays raidbots can help me with my top gear sim?:D

[supple mesa]

It’s 3$ month

[shrewd night]

I can do a quick sim, but top gear is way more hassle than its worth

[plucky ember]

@slow stag its 7pm gmt or 11:00 a.m. PDT

the q&a i mean

[rain pewter]

@jovial kite SLACK

[slow stag]

Thx :)

[true ingot]

Tonight's Q&A should be a doosy..

[sudden brook]

doubt theyre gonna go over anything prepatch fiesta related

[proper wing]

This has been probably asked 1 000 times, but can anyone hit me up with poison bomb proc WA? since the old one isn't working for me anymore and I can't find one online.

[rain pewter]

why tho?

it fucking sucks now x)

[proper wing]

Ye, tbh WoW is quite a shitshow rn.

[shrewd night]

The only time I can remember wow being worse than some pre-patch bullshit is the entire zombie event

[sudden brook]

yeah... this pre patch has been pretty rough, balance, bugs, servers

crossing my fingers for BFA

[true ingot]

Gotta love when things that were working on Beta are broken on live.

Looking at you, communities.

[elder crystal]

the zombie event was a heap of fun thouygh

[true ingot]

^

[proper wing]

You guys tried leveling or vanilla dungeons? Shit's impossible. Like really.

[true ingot]

It only got halted early because carebears cried that it stopped the idling in the capital cities.

[fallow estuary]

Mantle feels weird in M+ - you basicly garrote everything anway and by the time you start doing dmg the crit window is off

since garrote feels super strong right now

Gonna try sephuz+bracers

[royal bronze]

Do you think sephuz+bracers would be better than insig+bracers

[fallow estuary]

yea

[sudden brook]

with how many procs of sephuz you get, probably

[fallow estuary]

because you don't mut alot

you only mut on bosses

so insig feels kinda meh

[elder crystal]

YMMV but with my rubbish gear at 217 ilvl every sim keeps showing bracers as being a loss :-p

[supple mesa]

Slackjack

You here

[strange python]

Morning rogues

anyone esle testing with MFD? In spite of the sims, I'm having consistently better burst and sustained dps on the dummy. I'll test it after work in a raid I guess

[copper sinew]

Sim > feel

[royal bronze]

@fallow estuary so you think garrote with iron wire makes sephuz pull ahead

Hey guys why is haste the best stat now?

I understand that it is but whats the reason

[strange python]

It wasn't a feeling, it was fact

for my stiation

*situation

[shrewd night]

Haste applies to bleed and poisons, something it hasnt done before @royal bronze

[royal bronze]

Thank you!!

How does it apply? Do they tick faster or?

[golden dome]

tick faster

[shrewd night]

Tick faster, same duration

[royal bronze]

Ty everyone 😃

[solar willow]

should i ignore the belt simming so high?

[true ingot]

Does your guild burst the first 10% super fast?

[rain pewter]

if your guild has stacked affliction warlocks, ret palas and other gigabursters dont use belt

[solar willow]

i see

[lament dove]

or assa rogues^^

[solar willow]

does the current opener stated in guide change with shoulders?

[rain pewter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9y6QH1YNfjqCNQVwyGR6mm

GIGA

[bold jetty]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eU1qjRzbgj1vCr4GZpXHe2

same

[grim jay]

@proper wing no issue with leveling tho

[solar willow]

13% haste...

[true ingot]

What a name.

[supple mesa]

When simming does the sim assume your raid all has pantheon trinkets?

[rough yarrow]

u can add pantheon trinkets

i use zero

[supple mesa]

Does it by default?

[rough yarrow]

if u scroll down there is an option

[jovial kite]

@rain pewter WAT

[rough yarrow]

i think its zero by default yes

[teal glen]

serpentrix trinket sims got changed?

[supple mesa]

Slackjack

What do you sim?

[rain pewter]

@jovial kite MY ROGUE ISNT SCUFFED ANYMORE, ALL THE SHITTY HASTE PIECES PAYED OF https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9y6QH1YNfjqCNQVwyGR6mm

[jovial kite]

wow

nice 👍🏿

u gucci now

[rain pewter]

i mean

im still a filthy warlock main

[jovial kite]

atleast u got a good alt

[vivid bone]

lol your alt does way more damage than my main

[rain pewter]

i mean

my alt also sims higher than my main

so

🤷

[vivid bone]

my main is assa rogue

I should start raiding mythic

in BfA

[shrewd pine]

[rain pewter]

do it

[shrewd pine]

But then you wouldnt be our casual Luke anymore

[rain pewter]

i started raiding mythic in legion

barely touched hc before

[vivid bone]

I would be less casual Luke

[shrewd pine]

I dont want less casual luke

[vivid bone]

Alright

I'll keep raiding heroic

like a scrub

[shrewd pine]

[vivid bone]

I don't feel like applying to guilds anyways

[shrewd pine]

Yea, they toxic and dont give loot to trials

[vivid bone]

I'm red where it counts

[frigid anvil]

hey quick question! i dont really understand which talents are which like for examnple ''2210021"

[vivid bone]

there's 3 in a row

do the math

[true ingot]

The number corresponds to their position on the row

[frigid anvil]

yes but is 0 the first one then

[vivid bone]

fuck

who starts at 0

[true ingot]

🤔

[vivid bone]

This isn't javascript

0 is whatever

[royal mango]

0 means free choice

[vivid bone]

decide yourself

[frigid anvil]

ok thanks thats what i needed to know

[hot copper]

@rain pewter What's your haste% at?

[main blaze]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5HonZsuVZr1X5D5nu13RJz

[royal mango]

im sitting at 21% haste but my ilvl is crap. I sim at 4k 😦

[rain pewter]

@hot copper 25.17%

[scarlet hawk]

What ilvl are heroic and mythic ToS tier pieces now?

[main blaze]

210 for mythic

[scarlet hawk]

195 for hc then?

[teal glen]

wanted to restore my DoS but item restoration isn't working for me 😦

[scarlet hawk]

I couldn't go very far back either @teal glen

[teal glen]

i can't use it at all

it doesn't find my WoW account

[scarlet hawk]

Make sure your on the correct region 😃

[rain pewter]

was just gonna say ^

[torn badge]

Item restorarion has been reset so it only shows items you've sold or destroyed in this patch. Saw it in some undocumented changes thread iirc

[shrewd night]

All the items I could have gotten

Although dont think it goes back further than 60 days if it was the same patch

[sudden brook]

welp

glad i item restored like 50 items then

[quartz depot]

you're supposed to hoard all your gear

that's what the bank is for

[grim jay]

wouldnt restore dos even if it was ilvl 960

[warm parcel]

Dos

[grim jay]

worst trinket ever

😄

[oak basalt]

Someone know why Cinidaria is a BiS legendary ?

[grim jay]

because you get the highest damage while using it

as far as sims go

[oak basalt]

Yeah I know, why i want to know why haha

[solid nova]

@warm parcel yes, much better colour

You're pretty again

[oak basalt]

because mastery is not a bis stat now, and it doesn't have a really good power

[warm parcel]

Notter stole my yellow

[grim jay]

well on sims the effect is that good

[warm parcel]

[stark ravine]

I sim insignie + sephuz as highest, is that normal or insignia still bugged in nightly sim?

[grim jay]

yet for t21 4p mantle insig sims highest

[solid nova]

Q: Is there a BiS list for X spec?
A: Because of the Warforged/Titanforged system and sockets, BiS lists are essentially obsolete. We recommend simming yourself to find the best gear for you, check the “How to sim yourself guide”, in the top.

Pre patch has not changed this

Stop with bis this and that

[rose violet]

Triggered

[sudden brook]

id be too

[grim jay]

yet calling smth BiS legendary has nothing to do with what you just posted

[solid nova]

?

Yes it does.

[warm parcel]

Only one lego for shoulder slot tho

Gotta be bis

[stark ravine]

@grim jay but i sim double ring (sephuz+insignia) instead of mantle?

[grim jay]

ye forgot that legendaries can forge

and weak you know exactly what they mean with bis legendary

😄

[solid nova]

Wow.

[jovial kite]

bis legendaries are case sensitive

so dunno what exactly you mean

[warm parcel]

Its the best lego for that gear set, sure

And I have a diff set

[grim jay]

@stark ravine you prolly have a much different gear setup then

[warm parcel]

And slack has a diff set

[solid nova]

Off pieces so can forge which will alter which legendaries will be simming highest for you

[jovial kite]

also ur current stat weights

etc etc etc etc

[solid nova]

Which is applied from the previous post

[wary plank]

my wa dont work anymore do i need new one?

[jovial kite]

@wary plank tried updating?

[noble gyro]

Everyone has different bis for their gear. ATM bracers and seph are mine

[shrewd pine]

prydaz and insig are my

and now tell me how there are bis fucking legos

[grim jay]

yet people mean the best legendaries under the best given gearset assuming equal ilvl on the pieces or atleast overall equal stat distribution. thats how it was viewed all the time

[shrewd pine]

nah dawg

[jovial kite]

[wary plank]

y already did :/

[shrewd pine]

if something is BiS

[jovial kite]

2k16 called

[warm parcel]

That never happens

[shrewd pine]

it means its Best in slot

[solar willow]

that actually makes sense why dont we have commonly asked questions-answers and redirect the people to that.

[jovial kite]

it wants its bis list back

[warm parcel]

We wont have 985 socket fulls

[solid nova]

No, people want what's best for their character. Not a generic consensus.

[ocean nebula]

anything changed at raidbots? simmed nearly 6k yesterday and know 5,3

[shrewd pine]

that means its best in slot under all circumstances. If there are replacement for that item, its not Best In Slot. Therefore not BiS. Not get yo head outta yer ass and realize what u talking about

[solid nova]

Which is individual to that person

[grim jay]

some people ask for generic consensus, so get off your high horse and face it my new friend.

[jovial kite]

I WANT OBJECTIVELY BEST IN SLOT

SPOON FEED

MEEEEEEEEE

[shrewd pine]

There is no generic consensus.

[shrewd night]

Commonly asked questions. OH YOU MEAN PINS?

[shrewd pine]

I know 5 assa rogues

and we all use diff lego setup

[jovial kite]

davyn

ur like

homo erectus

[shrewd pine]

fucking

[jovial kite]

going into a brothel in current age

[warm parcel]

I dont see it as high horse.
I just see "bis" as misinfo

And plain wrong

[solid nova]

^

[jovial kite]

there isnt bis anymore

thats that

🤷🏿

[solar willow]

i realised the notter weak aura set was removed from pins. is it getting reworked for 8.0 or?

[shrewd night]

Ask Notter

[quartz depot]

insignia & sephuz is the best, anyone who says different is wrong

[grim jay]

I didnt mean you and I never said bis is a correct term on that, just that what they mean is smth different 🤔

[shrewd pine]

[warm parcel]

🐇 might not play anymore

[solid nova]

You can have 10 people sim and have 10 different legendary combinations.

[noble gyro]

Only bis now is sw trinket

[solid nova]

Bis is obsolete.

[grim jay]

thats still not the point

[shrewd pine]

Dude. Stop it. You are embarrasing yourself.

[shrewd night]

Davyn, dis us rn

[jovial kite]

bis list mooom 👶🏿 MOOOOM

[grim jay]

not sure if embarrassing is the correct term for someone having an opinion which you basically just dont understand bcs you are fixated on your own definition of words

[jovial kite]

[grim jay]

not being smart like you are rn is kinda embarrassing

[jovial kite]

sounds a lot like you

[solid nova]

Because opinion > fact?

[sudden brook]

[quartz depot]

ok well

[shrewd night]

DAVYN, DIS US RN

[quartz depot]

there's about 5 or 6 bis legendaries atm

sim yourself which one is the best for you

[jovial kite]

the only objectively correct answer to bis legos? is sim yourself

you cant argue that

so theres that

[grim jay]

I never said smth different

[jovial kite]

same applies to every gearslot and piece of gear

[grim jay]

just if people ask for general "whats best?" given on the fixed situations sims have

there is a set answer

[jovial kite]

yep

its called

wait for it

[solid nova]

Which is individual to their own sim

[grim jay]

no

just no

[solid nova]

It's not a 1 size fits all.

[sudden brook]

i mean i used what was "the best" then simmed myself and other legendaries were better

so telling ppl to equip things that are worse is a bad idea

[jovial kite]

i mean

[grim jay]

you still dont get the point at all

[jovial kite]

[lone junco]

There are trends. But the collection of rings and neck and trinkets and azerite all matter.

[dire steeple]

Davyn

[deep beacon]

The biggest challenge with discussion boards is that even when people are wrong, or half right, or whatever, they want to be right, even if they are not 😃

[solar willow]

your rank1 log on dogs is 13 now REEE

[dire steeple]

Dont do it

Do not do it

[jovial kite]

[dire steeple]

Dont ask it

[rain pewter]

YIKERS

[jovial kite]

classic

let me be your manager

[rain pewter]

fucking shitrogues arguing amongst themselves

[dire steeple]

I can see youre still typing

[ocean nebula]

what happened from yesterday to today that raidbots simms me 700 dps less

[grim jay]

if someone asks what are the best legendaries for that person to use, obviously he should sim it himself. if someone asks what generally under the fixed situation of the sim template is the best, then the answer is the legendary-setup on our friendly side which sims highest.

[dire steeple]

He did it

[jovial kite]

im dead

[dire steeple]

[grim jay]

if you dont understand that, you have a generally major issue in understanding definitions of basic words

[solid nova]

Oh dear.

[dire steeple]

I mean from what ive seen from simming myself and observing discord, there is no such thing

[deep beacon]

@rain pewter Wow big man on campus with the swearing 😃

[sudden brook]

if u tell somebody "x and y" are best, they are going to use that until told otherwise, its best to guide ppl to whats gonna serve them best js

[dire steeple]

Youre just actually gonna have to do some work and sim yourself

Im sorry

[rain pewter]

i am big man on campus

ask @jovial kite

[jovial kite]

davyn sounds awful alot like those wowplus guys

@rain pewter is a big man on campus

[grim jay]

or you just dont get wording

[dire steeple]

Ofcourse I do

Youre looking for something that if everybody had equal gear, what is the best legendary

[deep beacon]

I do agree that depending on what you have on at that time can make a variety of different leggos the best sim, but the only way to do that is to sim yourself or find a mirror rogue and look at his 😃

[grim jay]

im not looking for anything

in the first place

[lone junco]

Even the top 5 combos can be within <1%. And. Very few fights are 5 min patchwerk.

[dire steeple]

Its like ive got sephuz and belt sim highest for me atm

Seen some people with shoulders ring sim higher for them

[lone junco]

Get more haste.

[grim jay]

thats not the point at all

[dire steeple]

I cant

I tried restoring haste gear

But I just never roll on haste gear lol

[weak isle]

anyone got a WA trigger what makes me see when PB procs? 😃

[lone junco]

❤

[weak isle]

or are there some in wago?

[sudden brook]

probably

give it a look bud

[weak isle]

will do, maybe got lucky here

[dire steeple]

Is there any point in seeing PB procs?

[lone junco]

I've been hoarding crit haste for months. I still can't get 27%

[dire steeple]

Really?

[magic zenith]

For fun

[dire steeple]

I kinda gave up on WoW after we killed mythic argus a couple months ago

[quartz depot]

i'm at 26.5% with sephuz

[dire steeple]

So no m+ haste crit gear

[lone junco]

I mean. I could run double haste trinkets. But that's silly.

[dire steeple]

With sephuz im at around 26%

[vernal atlas]

I like the new patch ❤

[lone junco]

But 25% is about it.

[magic zenith]

Pvp is very fun rn at least

[lone junco]

It's fine. I'm up to 5400. Shoulder bracer.

[grim jay]

@dire steeple the point was that richard didnt get that there is a difference between whats best for a certain person, that would obviously need to sim it, and whats best for a template. 😄

[quartz depot]

i can get 30% with 240 cradle of anguish

[deep beacon]

I actually wish it was a bit more harder to kill / be killed

[dire steeple]

Yes I understood your point

[deep beacon]

but that will happen later on once we level i guess

[dire steeple]

Davyn

[ocean nebula]

people still simming 6k+`??

[lone junco]

Outlaw mastery stack shan't be missed.

It's amazing

[grim jay]

atleast one person not gone stupid over a few months

[shrewd night]

whats the relevance of a template if it cant be applied to a person, legitimate question

[grim jay]

doesnt matter. if someone asks smth I answer that question

[dire steeple]

No reason to call anybody stupid Davyn

[jovial kite]

wew

[dire steeple]

Because Richard is right aswell

[jovial kite]

the fact of the matter is

its better to tell people to stray away from ''template'' thinking

[warm parcel]

That one template is just like one person asking

[grim jay]

he cant be wrong if he is just pumping out stuff that gets said over and over

😄

[jovial kite]

because thats not relevant anymore

[warm parcel]

His setup is his own

[solid nova]

Talk about preaching to the deaf.

[jovial kite]

hence its also not good to answer people in the template reference

[dire steeple]

To be fair, its prepatch so who gives a fuck

[warm parcel]

Sure it quite quickly rules out trash tier legos like valeera and cloak

[sudden brook]

a surprising amount of ppl

[shrewd night]

Evidently

[grim jay]

@jovial kite ye thats right, I always did that aswell, yet it was a question of wording and I answer both questions if someone asks 😄

[shrewd night]

[lone junco]

I have no clue how my shoulder bracer subterfuge came out on top. But it's fine by me.

[dire steeple]

[grim jay]

its shoulders insig for me and I really dont want to use it

[dire steeple]

Then dont, its prepatch. Numbers doesnt really matter.

[grim jay]

its all about being #1 :^) 😄

[dire steeple]

[grim jay]

tho the retri thingy fucks everything over anyways

[lone junco]

We might pull mythic ursoc. I gotta be ready.

[dire steeple]

Mythic Ursoc

[grim jay]

wouldnt underestimate old raids with the current state of how good blizz is with scaling down stuff

😄

[shrewd night]

Titanforged ursoc trinket could be pretty

[lone junco]

Actually pugged EN a few weeks ago. Bird boss spawned so many fucking spiders.

[dire steeple]

Spiders

[lone junco]

200spiders. Inc

[vernal atlas]

its a spider bird boss

[lone junco]

Depending on how our heroic raid goes on Next tue. I hope we have enough to pull mythic garothi.

But prob not.

[warm parcel]

My 895 ursoc was quite close to throne tinkets

So its p good

[lone junco]

How far could we get with like 18 people?

[jovial kite]

its even better with wrists

[lone junco]

Mechanic wise.

[dire steeple]

I mean

Pretty far I reckon

Garothi is ez

[jovial kite]

you wont do dogs with 18

[dire steeple]

Might struggle with soaks but if everybody soaks youre fine

[jovial kite]

you probably wouldnt do dogs with 20

seriously overtuned rn

[dire steeple]

Aggramar.. is seriously overtuned

You seen that fight?

[jovial kite]

yes

we killed it yesterday

[dire steeple]

Its dumb

[lone junco]

Figured that will be fixed by next week.

[dire steeple]

Yeah same here but it was ridicolous. After like 20 kills on Aggra it was like reprogressing

[vernal adder]

month

[vernal atlas]

you mean that he flame rends 1000x in a row?

[solid nova]

I was watch tisu stream it yesterday

Rough

[warm parcel]

Floor pov

[jovial kite]

[ocean nebula]

is losing haste on value after 23-24% ?

[warm parcel]

Could be

[jovial kite]

depends

[sudden brook]

sim urself and find out :o

[solid nova]

Don't say it

[jovial kite]

my softcap is at 27

[solid nova]

Whelp

[sudden brook]

oops

[jovial kite]

but ds becomes better with more haste

so ill have to re-evaluate that

[dire steeple]

Dont tell him

[solid nova]

Noobe are you sorted for bfa?

[vernal adder]

[lone junco]

Meaning

[solid nova]

I thought you might not have been able to play 😢

[lone junco]

Prob shouldn't. Need to start getting to work at 6am. To pick up kid from school at 3p.

[solid nova]

Haha, a true hero

[lone junco]

💀

[jovial kite]

wait

we can bet now?

[lone junco]

Side hustle can't be stopped.

[jovial kite]

10k on the waifu

[lone junco]

Had to google that.

But you're not wrong.

[jovial kite]

im betting 10k on your wife

[lone junco]

I was supposed to get on early schedule today for practice. It's 7am. I am not on early schedule.

Oy.

[jovial kite]

am i 10k richer now

[thick jacinth]

the struggle I have right now is I turned down every single piece of shoulder off pieces all expansion because of the crit shoulders

and now I can't sim other leggos over them because I can't take them off.

[polar grail]

damn you should have at least greed rolled a couple times

[solid nova]

Item restore too far back?

[main blaze]

shoulders still sim well

[dire spoke]

with the current state of simc, insig is no longer overvalued right?

[hybrid quarry]

Oi richard

[thick jacinth]

yeah I;m using shoulders and insig

[hybrid quarry]

Get your ass back in offtopic

[solid nova]

😂😂

[vernal adder]

ye minmax that shit to 1dps for lvling

[sudden brook]

I need to be the FASTEST leveler

[hybrid quarry]

Ima go to bed and watch anime

Farewell mortals

[thick jacinth]

considering how shit levelling a rogue solo actually is...

[sudden brook]

is it really?

[solid nova]

@dire spoke iirc the nightly version is accurate now mate

[thick jacinth]

usually it is

[main blaze]

It isnt

[solid nova]

I swear there was a pin on it

Must be dreaming

[sudden brook]

i leveled a warrior rogue and mage on bfa, rogue felt fine lol

[thick jacinth]

just take mfd now and you'll be fine

[dire spoke]

I saw that pin too

[lone junco]

I have a bunch of different gear levels. 38c 25h 36?m shoulder bracer ep/sub/vig/tb/pbomb is my highest single. Rip my beautiful bae.

but it was like 8% loss.

[teal ingot]

as expected the talents I think are the most fun are also lowest damage -_-

[warm parcel]

Wonder if sub exs could be pushed

Garrote so strong

[dire spoke]

mantle-insig is poop for me ... either mantle-sephuz or insig-sephuz

=_ = phew

[strange python]

is gear manager broke of anyone else?

[lone junco]

@warm parcel i was trying.

garrote tick rate/value is unreal

[honest onyx]

btw guys what about aman thuls vision. according to some sims it looks good or na>?

[main blaze]

drop alchemy and get skinning with leatherworking? or drop leatherworking and get herbalism for alchemy?

[cosmic pier]

do you guys have some baller TFs on your t20 pieces? 4pc still beats out 4+2 for me https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7D2KZyvzMEv2LwvZVrnVpg

[teal ingot]

@main blaze best to have a double gather for a main and a double crafter for an alt in bfa

if you plan on farming a lot of cata stuff skinning and herb is good, mining herb will be best for bfa content, and skinning mining is best for tbc farms

[dire spoke]

2p4p sims 6.135 DPS for me

[honest onyx]

aman thuls vision yarr or naa?

[tender folio]

sim it

[honest onyx]

simbots wants me to use it, got 31% haste with that

[dire spoke]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/71hDJHibGSpyUteCW1PMEv

[teal ingot]

is there more to toxic blade then using it on cool down. exsanguinate seems like it takes a lot more thinking and set up and is a lot more fun. surly it cant be worse than something you just use on cool down

[dire spoke]

@cosmic pier why do you enchant trained soldier?

isn't mastery poop for you

[main blaze]

@teal ingot hmm I usually dont play alts. but I guess I could do double gathering. I was just unsure if LW crafted items were worth it for rogue

[wet yew]

Are the prepatch Sims still accurate ? Like is assa still in the lead? In terms of the other two specs

[cosmic pier]

@dire spoke because i'm an idiot and forgot to swap it

whats the go to now, satyr?

[terse olive]

Claw is best probably @cosmic pier

[dire spoke]

best is what sims best

8|

[atomic hamlet]

Should i use the weekly simc or nightly simc for simming. I am experiencing diffrent results from sim to dummy test, with that i mean crit>haste sims higher than haste>crit. But dummy test is vice versa.

[dire spoke]

I thought haste food would be better, but it isn't - for me

[cosmic pier]

nightly

[solid nova]

@atomic hamlet Nightly is more up to date

[atomic hamlet]

alright thanks

[teal ingot]

haste is my best stat under agi

[cosmic pier]

legit 6 dps difference between claw and satyr lol

[terse olive]

That’s because primary stat is much better now and you get more agi from the food than you get from hastefood @dire spoke

[obtuse garnet]

Haste is the better stat but feast is better than haste food

[zinc zephyr]

RiP wowhead?

anyone can access it?

[vague schooner]

im getting 502's at times on wowhead

[lone junco]

Did you guys see that wod gems were higher stat than legion ones.

[dire spoke]

banned for exploit

[lone junco]

A guildy is slinging them for 20k

[dire spoke]

[lone junco]

Maybe it was that the new bfa gems were less stat than legion.

Anyway. The squish is fucked.

[dire spoke]

you could get a belt buckle gem aswell, but they fixed it

[warm parcel]

Mop pots flasks

Its prepatch

[lone junco]

Now that Ah app is dead. I am destined to be poory

[teal ingot]

its not the squish its because its prepatch.... stuff like this happens every prepatch

[lone junco]

I was slinging tomes for 2k per at the mythic Tov open. Was a good run.

The major glyph rush was my fav gouge.

[teal ingot]

and once you get to bfa and get to 120 everything you thought was going to right will turn over on its head anyway. its pretty much not worth min maxing in prepatch when it is going to change in 4 weeks.

[wet yew]

It's kinda sad that we already have couple 100k hp at 120 later, I like the lower numbers, our tank died to a 50k hit last night at the hounds 👌

[lone junco]

It's a long slow 4weeks.

[sweet pecan]

anyone else lost all their WA's?

[hybrid quarry]

@sweet pecan Did you update it?

[sweet pecan]

no update on the twitch client

i checked

[copper sinew]

@teal ingot Well, people have fun min maxing. So is having fun wasted time? I don't think so.

[sweet pecan]

this makes me wana WAAAA

Q_Q

[hybrid quarry]

I'm pretty sure there was a wa update today

[lone junco]

I updated. Apparently there were major variable changes that broke the rupture track from target.

[strange python]

Twich client doesn't update addons for weeks

[dire spoke]

LOL @lone junco I just saw my engineering gem gives 22 haste

[hybrid quarry]

I'm certain I updated wa

[sweet pecan]

how would i update a addon not using twitch?

[lone junco]

22is a lot.

[hybrid quarry]

Curse

[sweet pecan]

issnt that twitch now?

[teal ingot]

@copper sinew im not trying to start an argument. if you want to go ahead. im just saying in the near future everything you do now will change. it might be worth it to you. I believe its not

[hybrid quarry]

I mean the website

Website curse works fine

Its just the twitch app that's fucked

[strange python]

Well, like you used to do before Twich app ?

Curseforge . com or something like that

[sweet pecan]

i forgot my lad 😛

[lone junco]

I used curse client before twitch app.

[sweet pecan]

im an old man now

[lone junco]

Lol

[copper sinew]

@teal ingot Right now, everything we did in Legion changed, so wasn't that worth it as well? ^^

[sweet pecan]

thats what you get for licking the blade all menacingly when you plass ass rogue

[lone junco]

My thottbot is still going strong tho.

[hybrid quarry]

Curseforge is old xpac files. Busted @strange python. We know you play wowps now

Curse is current xpac files

[teal ingot]

@copper sinew legion was 2 years long, prepatch is 4 weeks

[lunar moth]

quick question - when using subterfuge, during the fight you would vanish > then garrote as oipposed to in legion you would vanish then 4/5 CP rupture, when using nightstalker, correct?

[copper sinew]

@lunar moth Yes

[lone junco]

Just need to garrote within 3 sec.

[copper sinew]

But it's not "in legion", but "with Nightstalker"

[lone junco]

Just make sure it's not on cooldown before you vanish.

[lunar moth]

Thank you @copper sinew and @lone junco

[lone junco]

2p20 saved my ass so many times.

[copper sinew]

@lone junco why 3s instead of 6?

Oh wait, I suck at reading

[tropic talon]

"Hold your Horses Fam"🐴

[sweet pecan]

not too tight though, this issnt shadbase

[tender folio]

So crit>mastery for myth+ ?

[molten flicker]

no u

[quartz depot]

is there a way to track the nightstalker window

i mean

subterfuge

[sudden brook]

yes, use a weakaura

[quartz depot]

i know that but, i dont know what buff to track, since nothing shows up on the buffs once i exit stealth

like it did with shoulders

[spiral bolt]

There's some hidden interaction betwen Lego cape and the talent that does the same thing? cause its saying 32k on tooltip, but im hiting 6k

?

[frank sentinel]

it should definitely show up.

[sudden brook]

@spiral bolt the math on the tooltip is different from when it actually hits target

was hotfixed a bit ago

[hoary copper]

Check the pins

[copper sinew]

@quartz depot you can track invisibility, have the WA activate when you enter invis, then hide after 3s rather than when exiting stealth

[quartz depot]

alright i'll try that, ty

[spiral bolt]

Damm

[copper sinew]

@quartz depot otherwise, spell id for subterfuge is 108208, spellid for (modified) stealth is 115191, if that helps

[sweet pecan]

sweet baby jesus, the weak auras are all back

praise the lord

[copper sinew]

@quartz depot 115192 this might be the buff you get from subterfuge, could you try it out and report back?

[sweet pecan]

se ye, manual update fixed it, delete everything in addons folder in wow install path, replace with fresh addons from curseforge

[quartz depot]

yeah trying out right now

[sweet pecan]

EZPZ

[royal bronze]

are the weakauras on the website working?

[sweet pecan]

they are for me

i got em all back

[quartz depot]

that one worked yeah the 115192 one

[copper sinew]

@quartz depot
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VYghM8dXP4FnJrNj#fight=2&type=auras&source=19&ability=115192 this filters damage donw from subterfuge, I just took the ability id from the url, in case you want to know how ^^

[soft geode]

can someone give me a weakaura bar for the rogue that works too?

[quartz depot]

huh, never thought about checking that

[gray saddle]

I can buy a couple legendaries right now for assass

dont have bracers and cloak

should I grab those?

[sweet pecan]

so if i am reading this correctly, blindside is a skill you CAN use on its own, but we wont cause all we want it for is the free proc.. right?

[gray saddle]

ive got shoulders and insig

[sweet pecan]

like even if target are under 30% health, wed still use mut

[warm parcel]

Only when specced in vr

[soft geode]

no one weakaura?

[sweet pecan]

i dont use a bar for rogue

i use a stack

[soft geode]

hm

what for stacks?

[sweet pecan]

also how can you play wow, yakuzaa dont have all the fingers required

i just put all weakaura icons right on top of each other, then prioritize them depending on what is more important to press first

i call it a stack

worked great

owait im not used to the sstat squish yet, that <30% hp skill is actually really good :p

[main blaze]

..cool

[lament dove]

if I use nightstalker, I use vanish for rupture I guess?

or maybe still envenom, with mantle...?

[sweet pecan]

id just dummy it my dude

[lean hill]

Depends on your set up

I use shoulders and NS so I vanish envenom

[arctic venture]

Guys. master poisoner, eleborate planning or blindside? which one is better?

[sweet pecan]

blindside vs elaborate atm

ela recommended for prepatch

[arctic venture]

fine.

[molten flicker]

master poisoner according to pins?

[sweet pecan]

are you reading the same guide as me?

http://www.ravenholdt.net/battle-for-azeroth-quickstart-guides/

[arctic venture]

for level 45? Vigor, deep stratagem or marked for death?

[vernal atlas]

@sweet pecan if you specced blindside, you are recommended to use it under 30% as main cp builder

[arctic venture]

which one got the best results?

[vernal atlas]

I am not sure about if its really better myself

[sudden brook]

sim urself

[sweet pecan]

over muti? aite then

tbh i noticed the dmg is a lot higher then muti, i was still in pre statsquish land with my brain

1200 dmg is nothing,, i thought, while in fact its quitte something

[arctic venture]

Cytos? for 45 level?

which peopel saying is best for moment?

[shrewd night]

Kitzlig we have told you time and time again through this entire day to sim yourself.

[sweet pecan]

1 vigot

[shrewd night]

Can you actually go ahead and do It?

[sweet pecan]

2210021

thats the recommended traits from the talent thing i linked earlier :p

[shrewd pine]

@solid nova we need ur help here

[sweet pecan]

im just following that

[gritty quarry]

I don't understand this either

[arctic venture]

Legendary ? what comes ahead for moment?

[gritty quarry]

There are obviously talents better than others

[arctic venture]

last quick question

😃

[shrewd night]

Jesus fuck dude

[sudden brook]

LOL

[gritty quarry]

Yet when I ask or anyone else asks you just say sim yourself

[shrewd night]

Sin your God damn fucking self

[gritty quarry]

Nty

[shrewd pine]

[sweet pecan]

its the best part about sinning

[tight tusk]

[sudden brook]

bcuz its best to be self sufficient and find whats best for your charatcer

[sweet pecan]

doing it yourself :p

[sudden brook]

there is also a baseline guide that he could just read

[gritty quarry]

Its like I want the better playstyle

Not what I feel is best

[sudden brook]

what

[solid nova]

@shrewd night ?

Wrong person, same effect

😅

[shrewd night]

Baseline guide is like shooting yourself in the foot

You can walk. But it won't be efficient.

[sudden brook]

im just saying even if he wishes to be lazy its right infront of him

[meager plover]

they fix the belt buckle?

[serene elbow]

what about pots ?

[shrewd pine]

Yo Richard

should I simmyself or u gonna finally tell me my BiS list?

[atomic hamlet]

Like mentioned before I did some testing and want to share it with you.
I tried a build which simcraft considered to be best for my character - called SimcBest.
And a build where I go full haste, because it seems like it is doing pretty good. - Fullhaste.
I did some raiddummy testing:

• 5 min fight
• Potion of old war
• Flask
• 375 haste food
• Drums at pull
• No Vanish
• Dummy always 98-100% hp

SimcBest:
With this build I pulled out 4,6k DPS. (1,42M)
Agi 1356 Crit 38% Haste: 28% Mastery 37% Vers 9%
Insig + Mantle
Sim:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oVbtUusieMPtDdtZ9NeBQg

Fullhaste:
I did 4,9k DPS (1,49M)
Agi 1335 Crit 36% Haste 31% Mastery 32% Vers 9%
Insig + Bracers
And bracers didn’t even have an effect ( Dummy always 198-100%)
Sim:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q7Gx28nuZUvx7LfktUPuQt

I know sims are just… a simulation but why does it value haste so wrong. Or am I missing something important ? If so, does someone has a guess.

[serene elbow]

prolonged or old war

[vernal atlas]

Question:
RH guide says for opener:
Garrote>Mut>Mut>Rupture>Vendetta>TB>(Mut>Envenom)>Vanish>Garrote

Icy-veins:
Garrote>Mut>Rupture>Vendetta>Mut>TB>Vanish>Envenom>Mut>Envenom>Garrote

I get that the first opener is designed to get the buffed garrote 2x on the target while the second one is to guarantee a good usage of TB. Question is, do we know which one hits harder?

[gritty quarry]

Sim urself obv

[lean hill]

Icy veins opener sounds like NS and shoulders

[jovial willow]

Has anyone been able to get notters weak auras to work? I get a lua error when reapplying garrote and toxic blade doesn't show up

If so a string copy would be really appreciated

[icy iris]

What legos are u guys simming highest with? 😄

[shrewd pine]

yea icy veins opener is NS and mantle

[terse olive]

How the hell do you sim your opener?

[shrewd pine]

ravenholdt one is EP and SF

[gritty quarry]

I mean thats everyones answer in the disc so why not

[sudden brook]

the best legendaries depend on your stats, there isnt a general best

i mean its the correct answer most of the time lol

[shrewd pine]

someone is salty here

[sage viper]

My two best builds are Mantle+Sephuz and ns talented, Bracer+Sephuz and subterfuge talented.(30dps apart). Propably bracer build only for longer fights with more execute value

[twin prism]

ez

first in the world

[shrewd night]

@gritty quarry If you want the lazy option you can always go to noxxic or some other site. If you want whats best for your character and performance, whether it be stat weight, talents or gear.. What else would you recommend than simming

[icy iris]

I sim highest with sephuz and isnig

insig

[terse olive]

Simming is for stats and gear, that’s just common sense, every character is usually different in terms of current stats. But openers are usually the same for everyone

[shrewd pine]

First in heroic

on 8 minute kill

yikers

[hearty socket]

Zoinks

[twin prism]

well better

[jovial kite]

@twin prism

[twin prism]

than being last

[jovial kite]

Heroic parses

[twin prism]

i odnt have time

to raid mythic man

why do you guys

have to shit on it

[sudden brook]

[twin prism]

??

[sudden brook]

its just banter

[shrewd pine]

Imagine going to public channel and boast about heroic parse which will be irrelevant in couple hours

[jovial kite]

Now that you mentioned it

LETS GO

[twin prism]

imagine shitting on someone for being happy

[shrewd pine]

dont post your shit on public channels if you cant handle negative reaction

literally no one here cares.

❄ culture

[twin prism]

LAMO

ok

[copper sinew]

/r/roastme

[sudden brook]

h0ly fuk

[twin prism]

AHAHHAHA

[agile gust]

''no one cares'' seems like you care a lot about it when you have to get that angry

[vivid bone]

Such a lame comeback

[twin prism]

im a special snowflake boys :feelsgoodman:

[vivid bone]

You must care because you replied /wheeeeeeeeee

[twin prism]

i suck so much fucking dick guys

idk

[jovial kite]

[random pelican]

Tfw come to have actual discussion about assa spec and see someone post about heroic

[shrewd pine]

Wait when did you take that picture?

[twin prism]

twf you can still have that discussion but you continue the topic oyu dont wnana talk about

:feelsweirdman:

jsut now noxxic

[shrewd pine]

rly?

[twin prism]

but it doesnt matter its irrelevant

dude

[jovial kite]

n x x i c

[shrewd pine]

OH LOL

its even iLvL parse

not overall parse

[jovial kite]

[twin prism]

:omegalUl: what an absolute scrub

[jovial kite]

nah i mean

If it makes you happy thats what matters

[shrewd night]

When someone say number one in the world, I didnt expect 'but only within these parameters'. I did expect literally number one in the world.

[twin prism]

AHAHHAHAH

[jovial kite]

taiwan namba wan

[twin prism]

ez Clap

[jovial kite]

[sudden brook]

china numbah wan

[jovial kite]

TAIWAN NAMBA WAN

[sudden brook]

FUK U CHINA NUMBA WAN

[jovial kite]

[shrewd pine]

[sudden brook]

TAIWAN NUMA TWO

[shrewd pine]

y'all need more Noxxic guides in your life

[twin prism]

dude i made the noxxic guide 😃

[jovial kite]

[shrewd night]

Happy for ya

[twin prism]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[shrewd pine]

Fite me Slack

[jovial kite]

i mean ez moneys

[shrewd pine]

ikr

[twin prism]

i didnt guys

stop

getting jebaited so fast

please

😦

[copper sinew]

@twin prism That's why the noxic guide is so shit

[jovial kite]

[shrewd pine]

Shill bucks are hard to come by these days and noxxic is making them easy.

[sudden brook]

[shrewd night]

This guide has been verified by number one parsing rogue in the world nLight

[sudden brook]

LOL

[twin prism]

AHHAHAHAH

[jovial kite]

[shrewd pine]

now can I get BiS lego list?

[sage viper]

My grandma verified it too. She was a rogue in ww2 Kappa

[shrewd night]

Awh shit, its yaboi venem from last night with the sin spec

[shrewd pine]

[sudden brook]

the best legendaries are will of valeera and warlock

dont sim urself it makes u elitist

[jovial kite]

nobody wants accurate info

Get out

[sudden brook]

I WANT THE BEST

[shrewd pine]

I want accurate info within Noxxic error margin

[sudden brook]

LOL

[shrewd night]

Thats a tight 100% margin boi

[vernal atlas]

after siming the hero damage presets are coming pretty close.... atleast for me

[quartz depot]

wtb weakaura for subterfuge empowered garrote

[dire spoke]

150k

[weak isle]

how much dps impact does food, flask, rune have on your dps? whats the difference, anyone checked by any chance?

[dire spoke]

you can set these variables with raidbots in options

[honest flint]

did simcraft got updated with cloak change?

[dire spoke]

yes, always use nightly

[honest flint]

would be nice to update pins then 😉

[deep beacon]

@quartz depot Not sure it's possible since its not identifed as being different unless you create a special function on your own for that. I Just remember it 😃

[strange python]

not enough to make the flask market worthwhile again

🙁

[shrewd pine]

its literally in the fucking pins

[quartz depot]

i've been trying to make one with different triggers and whatnot, but haven't quite figured it out yet

[shrewd pine]

HOLD YOUR HORSES FAM
-The interaction for HB + CLOAK got reworked. The calculations are now additive instead of multiplicative. This means around 3/4ths nerf to the calculations of the cloak + hb interaction. (around 70k-100k dps loss on use full stack)

[honest flint]

"-Current simulations in raidbots.com DO NOT have this change taken into account
-We'll need to WAIT for simulationcraft team to push out a new nightly(edited)"

[rain pewter]

SUP ITS YA BOY NATTLE HERE

[honest flint]

yes so the sim got updated -

so you can sim it now

[shrewd pine]

oh this bit

tag Slack

[rain pewter]

JUST WANTED TO LTE YOU KNOW IVE STARTED VANISH ENVENOMING CUZ ITS GIGA GOOD

[shrewd pine]

to fix it

he'll love it

[rain pewter]

@jovial kite SLACK

THEY WANTED YOU TAGGED

SO I HOOKED EM UP

[deep beacon]

You need need a custom thing where you created a variable that would exist only when you just vanished or came out of stealth since there is no difference really. I didn't bother with it yet lol

[dire spoke]

[quartz depot]

yeah i'm not really good at coding, so i've just been trying some of the different default options

[deep beacon]

let me see what i can try

[dire spoke]

aren't there WAs on wago.io ?

[quartz depot]

dunno, i didnt find one

[copper sinew]

What are you trying to accomplish?

[dire spoke]

empowered garrote

nothing special

only need a garr database that backchecks subt and stealth stance

8|

[weak isle]

food flash rune gives a ~450 dps difference

[copper sinew]

Oh, so a Weakaura that tracks empowered Garrote differently from normal Garrote so you know not to refresh the empowered?

[quartz depot]

yup

[copper sinew]

I can do that once I'm home