assassination

[naive scarab]

i love the feel of assass right now

[civic palm]

Get out of range for 2 seconds, lose TONS of damage O _O

[fallen sandal]

hi

[fleet whale]

back to the old days of pre-legion with that auto attack damage 😛

[naive scarab]

basically number 1 or 2 on meters in mythic ant atm

[fallen sandal]

crucidle is grand army ring ?

[civic palm]

Y

[naive scarab]

maybe a ret pally will edge me out slightly

[civic palm]

Bad word for it now, considering it's +2%DMG passive and not "crucible" related.

[jovial kite]

im glad we'll private log bfa

[pale scroll]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5kuZhRmo5JDPE12QA4JnpZ

look at me 6k here i come

[jovial kite]

hoping for wr 40

[civic palm]

Just... another month... and you will be there.

[crisp hazel]

whats the neck enchant of choice?

[naive scarab]

go get it!

claw i thinkl

[civic palm]

They're close when I looked. Satyr seemed ahead.

[crisp hazel]

RIP the days of trained soldier

[civic palm]

Yeah it's the loser IIRC.

as it should be.

[jovial kite]

Trained soldier still good on aoe

[civic palm]

Sure.

[naive scarab]

so much for stacking all mastery on my gear... vendored so much 960+ haste and crit gear lol

[frank sentinel]

guild not raiding till monday

[strange python]

item restore

[naive scarab]

i got some

missed a ring and neck

[fallen sandal]

with mantle we should now apply garrote when using vanish or still envennom ?

[civic palm]

Envenom and then Garrote.

[naive scarab]

did score back a 960 crit and haste chest though

[fervent beacon]

Envenom to roll your DP then garrote.

[civic palm]

If you are Subterfuge, ENV ~> Garrote.

[strange python]

all I could find was a gorshalach trinket

[fervent beacon]

Chrono shard would be good now

[civic palm]

If you are NS, ENV ~> MUT ~> ENV ... Garrote @ 6 seconds remaining on Garrote.

[jovial kite]

itemrestoration

[fervent beacon]

Or draught.

[naive scarab]

can someone who knows their shit pls link me the latest assass guide with opener and stuff?

[fallen sandal]

alright and what's the new openenr without kb ?

[jovial kite]

[civic palm]

~ CHECK THE PINS ~

[fervent beacon]

Pinned

[cosmic pier]

does anyone have a big dick tempered egg? does that shit actually pop off?

[strange python]

trifecta

[naive scarab]

dont i need to paste bin account to read it?

[civic palm]

~ CHECK THE PINS ~

[crisp hazel]

the AH has been cleared of mark of the claws wtf

[strange python]

Ive looked at a few logs with the egg and it looks like it sucks. But apparently the little serpents have to survive.

[frank sentinel]

don't worry, clicking the link won't dox you

it might tho

😃

[civic palm]

Yeah the bros summoned from the trinket are doing the damage, and they have baby health.

[fleet whale]

also note you can use belt-buckles now, so that is a socket for your belt you can put a haste gem in

unless if they fixed that

[crisp hazel]

they fixed it already

just tried it

[fleet whale]

oh, well, I won out on that one lol

[cosmic pier]

exploit early, exploit often

the blizzaard way

[strange python]

they didnt remove the ones that already used it?

[fleet whale]

no

[wheat zealot]

I got home from work to late to get one rip lol

[fleet whale]

not for me at least

[jovial kite]

Lets just give one more bagslot to playe- HOLY FUCK GUYS WE JUST MADE BLOOD ELVES BLACK

[civic palm]

AND ALL NPC'S MOONWALK.

O _O

[strange python]

geez I need to dig up that crucible and see how it sims. Bet someone at blizzard is so happy that someome is considering using that item.

[jovial kite]

its good for aoe

Straight up value

[strange python]

actually, with the artifact change I dont even know what it does.

[civic palm]

2% dmg

[strange python]

hmm.

[fleet whale]

couldn't it just be seen as a flat 2% increase to vers?

[jovial kite]

yes

[naive scarab]

noob question incoming! ...

[jagged pebble]

anyone got some nonbroken WAs for assassination?

[cursive hatch]

I don't have t20 or t21 shoulders, so it still looks like mantle + insignia for me most likely

[civic palm]

Yeah I have working WAs O _O

[jagged pebble]

all my weakauras r borked Q_Q

[civic palm]

I believe it.

[naive scarab]

under talents in the raid guide above... where do I plug the numbers into? i.e. 3210021

[civic palm]

Down the talent tree.

[naive scarab]

oh got it... the "0s" though me off but that just measn non dps talents i assume

[civic palm]

👌

[naive scarab]

boom

[lean hill]

I'm using shoulders/insignia, EP and Nightstalker are simming top so the rotation is identical minus kingsbane

[civic palm]

Even with Subterfuge you could Vanish ~> ENV

[naive scarab]

ddue i want blindside to pull ahead of mp so badly... i'm guessing it will with tier talents, watch

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strange python]

4 second ep feels so weird.

[civic palm]

Blindside will be better @ 120.

[naive scarab]

yup!

[fleet whale]

it should be baseline imo

[crisp hazel]

6136 sim we're getting there

[brisk bobcat]

i dont understand the guide, its telling me to use blindside but its not just behind MP its miles behind, whats up, im getting something wrong arent i?

[naive scarab]

vigor ahead of ds atm?

[fleet whale]

the talent set-up you are seeing is for 120

[brisk bobcat]

oh, aha, fair enough

[naive scarab]

ds will pull ahead with more haste

[brisk bobcat]

is there a 4 week survival guide somewhere?

[fleet whale]

Most peoples stats are high enough for ep to be strong at 110

[hasty swan]

anyone have a good all in one weakaura for rogue? I was using enkey's but it's having issues in 8.0 and i'm struggling to keep track of all of assassination's bleeds and shit without one

[civic palm]

The survival guide for the PrePatch is the same concept as what you see in the Guide for BfA but with whatever SIMs highest for you.

[naive scarab]

mls i was gonna ask same thing ty for the reminder! my wa's are all fucked up

[warm parcel]

Its not the same as vers

[fleet whale]

and idk if ds will ever pull ahead of vigor, maybe if exsang becomes king at some point

[warm parcel]

Its a multiplier

[strange python]

so its better than vers

[warm parcel]

Unless you have 0 vers, sure

[strange python]

I want mfd to pull ahead.

[civic palm]

It's better in dungeons.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[snow hamlet]

satyr and claw,which one is good for assassination?

[dire spoke]

You best should answer that question with a simulation

[strange python]

satyr simmed higher for me.

[civic palm]

Both are fine, very near each other.

[fleet whale]

satyr causes you to shoot fireballs, so that's the winner for me

[snow hamlet]

ok tks

[strange python]

they look more like blood bolts or something.

[fleet whale]

yeah, but it's considered fire damage, I didn't really know what to call it

but it does look cool

[jaunty arrow]

Assa feels good with 2% haste

[fleet whale]

A couple days ago that was the ideal amount of haste

[strange python]

yesterpatch.

[frank sentinel]

i miss it already.

[south nebula]

we only being able to use daggers in bfa?

[jaunty arrow]

But overall i dont like talents

[strange python]

yes @Smug

[south nebula]

fuckk

[fleet whale]

sin has been locked to daggers only since tbc

[south nebula]

always hopeful

[strange python]

🤷 its not like bosses will drop less weapons

[jovial kite]

for me assa feels really good rn

[fleet whale]

I think in wod they thought about having sin to be able to use swords but it would be weaker, blizz dropped the idea before alpha even came out

[jovial kite]

Esp st and sustained cleave

if you want to minmax ep you can

And it shows

[fleet whale]

and yeah, in a lot of ways I think assassination feels better now than it did before this patch

problem is, it's going to feel really bad as a fresh 120

[jovial kite]

You cant just mongo face to keyboard

Yeah probably

[strange python]

Meh. Take off tier 21 and see how it works.

[jovial kite]

Im talking strictly prepatch ofc

[fleet whale]

on the bright side, gear will affect gameplay significantly

so it's something to look forward too as you gear up

[jaunty arrow]

I feels like we got cool talents but they are not playable

[fleet whale]

well, CT is certainly playable

[jovial kite]

imo theres more choice than there was

[strange python]

blindside and exsang might need a little love.

[fleet whale]

Has anyone tried using CT in ST or is it just not viable

[jovial kite]

Its viable

[jaunty arrow]

And u are forced to use tb

[jovial kite]

No ur not

[civic palm]

There was a very minor DMG nerf to CT as a whole, didn't change much.

[strange python]

venom rush is competitive once we ditch the tier

[fleet whale]

I like the stealth row for assassin (though I think master assassin is a bit undertuned)

[jovial kite]

i mean subterfuge is really strong

Esp with cini and bl

the dmg is insane

[fleet whale]

but I've always liked subter for cleave

or council fights

[jovial kite]

oh certainly

Its good in st due to haste change

[civic palm]

Especially considering it's better for us now than ever to spread GAR/RUP.

[jovial kite]

aswell as council

[fleet whale]

that was a good change for assassin in legion when blizz changed that talent

[strange python]

I like subt because you can flight whistle in stealth.

[civic palm]

and do some other fun stuff.

[jovial kite]

I like subt becauSe its big dick deeps

[civic palm]

like mount.

[jovial kite]

For st and cleave niche

[strange python]

Or hearth.

[jaunty arrow]

Sub feels good now

[fleet whale]

it feels good but it has some issues

[strange python]

sub or subt

[jovial kite]

subterfuge

[fleet whale]

oh I thought he meant subtlety for a second

[jovial kite]

Atleast thats what i was talkin about

[jaunty arrow]

I miss t

[strange python]

???

[gleaming geyser]

have you guys run any 20+ key since pre-patch?

[strange python]

I did a 16.

[jaunty arrow]

I run antorus hc pain was real

[sudden brook]

i did a 19

[strange python]

Tank dc'd on last boss so it felt like a 20.

[gleaming geyser]

did you apply 3 garrote every pack or start going big dick CT

trash was melting so fast

[sudden brook]

garrote is more damage

[strange python]

I used nightstalker + mfd + ct.

[civic palm]

3x Garrote, CT, Rupture

[strange python]

bleeds for everyone!

[jaunty arrow]

U can use night stalker before ct

[fervent beacon]

There's an azerite trait in BfA that gives your garrote extra 2cp and more damage

[civic palm]

You can't 3x Garrote with NS thoouuuuu

[gleaming geyser]

dont you just CT a bunch of times anyway

overwriting ur NS CT

subt just sounds much better

[strange python]

Hmm dont think so. I just it run its course for a bit.

[jaunty arrow]

Subt is better in m+

[crisp hazel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sv7tHhTR83qBSRfrCWXhff
guess I have enough haste now 😄

[prime void]

Fwonder what server giggle is on

[pallid notch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qVPYJni9YXmigRCvb4gqK6 with bracers/sephuz.. still lookin forward to outlaw

[warm parcel]

You dont spam ct no

Nor do you ct on st

[gleaming geyser]

is there CT pandemic?

[sudden brook]

guide says to refresh at 2 seconds

[warm parcel]

You can hit a dummy twice and see

If it prolongs the spell

[prime void]

weak still trying to educate people

ppl too lazy to actually learn how things work themselves

[hardy bluff]

Might not be in game

Simple yes or no would've solved it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prime void]

or

they could just go do it

😃

[lean hill]

teach a man to fish....

[prime void]

cant even teach these men how to fish

[gleaming geyser]

il keep it to myself then

go fish

xd

[lean hill]

coming in here demanding fish from the channel all day

[warm parcel]

Well. Honestly Im not sure cause I never bothered to see

[gleaming geyser]

6sec

goes to 16

[warm parcel]

But you can test it easily

Old ct was locked duration with ignite stacking

This one seems just a regular dot

[ripe nimbus]

wut do u guys think is better for M+ NS or Sub?

[gleaming geyser]

subt

[hardy bluff]

Subt cause many garot opop

[gleaming geyser]

gotta proc that sephuz

kek

[sudden brook]

garrote was 17% of my damage on a 17, subt is pretty good

17 and most*

[warm parcel]

Garr now has dpet close to rup

[civic palm]

Yerp.

[warm parcel]

So its actually not a useless global

[civic palm]

It's not useless... it was great for filler during Tomb O _O

O _O

But useless otherwise.

[sudden brook]

i didnt see anything about envenom/EP in the guide, should you be keeping EP as much as possible, or should you pool more and focus on envenom being up and not worry about keeping EP as much as overlapping envenom

[civic hatch]

looking for weakaura expert to fix broken weakaura

[civic hinge]

When you say subt is better for M+, is NS + vanish/rupture viable for pure ST?

[civic palm]

Nope.

SUB and NS are close for ST.

[gleaming geyser]

vanish garrote dream

[civic palm]

Use what you like.

[civic hinge]

hmkay, i played with NS for ages, just dont get the hang on subt

[ripe nimbus]

petition to make NS baseline for Sin.

[fallow cypress]

You'll want to use subterfuge, garrote is way too powerful in almost every aspect of play.

[fringe ginkgo]

WTB BFA so I can be rid of these legendaries. They make my head hurt.

[sudden brook]

i am also very tired of legendaries

[lean hill]

the y just get replaced with azerite pieces

[civic hinge]

So in M+ on Trash with subt i just spread ruptures like crazy and then normal rota?

Garrotes

sorry

[civic palm]

Have to retitle all my WA's on WAGO O _O"

[sudden brook]

yes u garrote everything

[wheat solstice]

You'll spread garrotes

[fallow cypress]

spread 3 garrotes and a couple ruptures then FoK and envenom basically

[wheat solstice]

you will keep your normal ruptures on 3 highest health targets

[fallow cypress]

keep dots up if they last long enough

[civic hinge]

Well, this makes it a little less braindead

Dont get me wrong i played assa since wrath, but after the purge of traits... i see only darkness before me

[civic palm]

Too bad.

[rustic delta]

Can anyone explain to me why insignia ring is being used, just for the haste?

[civic palm]

Stats + Bonus DMG

[rustic delta]

15% means something now because of the squish?

[ripe nimbus]

high Crit/haste with gem socket and its just free damage.

[civic palm]

Nope, just free damage.

[prime void]

mfw

ring was super good befre prepatch

and not its good still

[civic palm]

Yerp.

[prime void]

and people are confused

Like hello?

[civic palm]

99% of people don't care about updating their understanding.

[prime void]

99% of people have no understanding

ever

#wow community

[warm parcel]

15% better now cause numbers are smaller

[dense quest]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oQwxE8jV7HuL8k6BrV9L3o

[civic palm]

Well they have some understanding, just not very much.

[fringe ginkgo]

SimpleComboPoints fix:
https://i.imgur.com/z8VmT6C.png

[warm parcel]

[sudden brook]

Im pretty sure nobody knew insiginia was even semi competitive

[ripe nimbus]

in M+ do u want to apply 3 ruptures are just spam CT on trash ?

[sudden brook]

most ppl see "BIS" and only know exactly that

[civic palm]

Is that the slowest emoji fucking EVER Weak? O _O

[wheat solstice]

Ring was only good for SND outlaw before pre-patch.

[warm parcel]

Had to restart

[civic palm]

haha > ,<

[warm parcel]

Mobile app crashes regularly

[jovial kite]

SCP FIX!!!!

[civic palm]

mmm

[jovial kite]

i fucking love scp

I thought i had to let it go

[warm parcel]

Whats it look like

Never used

[ripe nimbus]

not using WA for CP in 2018

[fringe ginkgo]

Me too. I made a weakaura but it just didn't feel right

[sudden brook]

no, the ring was good b4 lol

[rustic delta]

ring was good b4 prepatch when all top ass parses were shoulders bracers?

[prime void]

Mfw

[sudden brook]

?

[prime void]

all top parses werent shoulders bracers

[jovial kite]

Its not like critizing others for their ui makes u a better player @ripe nimbus

[sudden brook]

but all the parses werent bracers shoulders

[civic palm]

Yeah but what's it look like.

[sudden brook]

there were few that were bracers ring, it just requires different stats, and most ppl dont bother

[jovial kite]

Im at work so cba linking

[warm parcel]

And parsing is about hitting max rng lotto anyway

[sudden brook]

^^^^

[warm parcel]

Sure play mantle for that

[civic palm]

What is SCP short for?

[prime void]

ring was extremellllllllly consistent

[sudden brook]

ring was consistent as hell

[jovial kite]

Simple combo points

[civic palm]

mmm

kk

ty

[rustic delta]

http://prntscr.com/k89kqd

MFW

[sudden brook]

r u being an idiot on purpose

[warm parcel]

Again man

[sudden brook]

and not reading

[warm parcel]

Thats what parsing is about

[sudden brook]

anything we say

[prime void]

I think he's just braindead

[civic palm]

Thought that's what it was, yeah, lots of CP designed like that. 👌

[fringe ginkgo]

https://i.imgur.com/iGdIpuX.png

[sudden brook]

"well the ppl with the best luck use this so its the bset 100% of the time"

[fringe ginkgo]

adds an extra square when you talent DS

[warm parcel]

[ripe nimbus]

simple combo points and its an outdated addon from like BC

[civic palm]

Doesn't center itself O _O

Potato fucking addon.

[warm parcel]

Looks just like my wa

[hasty swan]

so is blindside now in our single target rotation?

[warm parcel]

Just inferior

[rustic delta]

i mean of course parsing is all about pb procs when stacking mastery, never heard about anyone using ring for anything

[sudden brook]

well ppl did,

a lot of the high parsing ppl on argus were using ring/bracers

[strange python]

jeweled signet of melandrus is really good now that we do so much melee damage

[prime void]

tyra

john

me

tisumi

[fringe ginkgo]

How is CT in M+?

[sudden brook]

real fun

[warm parcel]

I was the og insignia fan boy

[prime void]

All active players in here who used ring or non shoulders

lol

Idk about that weak XD

tyra and I used it for a lonnnnnng time

[sudden brook]

i saw the light when i saw the parses on argus after concordance

[warm parcel]

Dropped mantle the moment you got 2+4

Never felt better

[prime void]

100

[jovial kite]

Center

What the fuck mize

Its drag and drop

[civic palm]

?

[jovial kite]

Also scale as you wish

[hasty swan]

so what happened where blindside is now in our rotation vs ep?

[jovial kite]

Talking about u saying scp doesnt center itself

[civic palm]

Yeah but non-DS isn't centered, if you are centering for DS.

[fringe ginkgo]

I wish they'd just make blindside baseline. It was enjoyable

[civic palm]

and then switch to Vigor/MFD.

O _O

-1/12 addons O _O

[ripe nimbus]

potato addon.

[jovial kite]

its great

[ripe nimbus]

from 2006

[civic palm]

It IS good.

No doubt.

[jovial kite]

but i get the non center argument

[civic palm]

I used it during WoD I think.

It's entirely nit-picking.

[jovial kite]

hadnt even thought about it

[civic palm]

It's lightweight, looks good, and works, no other reason to complain.

Other than tiny little shit that doesn't matter.

[jovial kite]

Wouldnt be hard to code the centering though

[civic palm]

Course not.

or you just do like;

/scp unlock (or w/e) and move it.

[ripe nimbus]

well that and its square...

[civic palm]

If you don't like squares... well...

[daring atlas]

Any reason why master poison is still showing top by like 300? Warcraft logs has EP top

[jovial kite]

Fits perfectly for my sui

[civic palm]

Because your SIM is for your personal gear?

O _O

[simple stratus]

EP seems to be better than BS for me

[daring atlas]

Ya EP is def better than BS but was curious if anyone else was seeing that for their gear but be salty ;P

[hasty swan]

well BS shows in the guide for single target rotation

[sudden brook]

sim urself and u can see whats best 8)

[civic palm]

The guide is for BfA.

[sudden brook]

aals0 that

[civic palm]

not Pre-Patch with bullshit stats.

[hasty swan]

i'm scared to say this, idk how to sim myself

[daring atlas]

if you are serious lol raidbots.com

[civic palm]

There's pin for that I bet.

Yep, there sure is.

[jovial kite]

i remember the day when i didnt know how to sim myself.. it was a long time ago but the day existed

[frank sentinel]

same

[jovial kite]

if you know how to anything, dont take it for granted and think everyone else knows it aswell

[civic palm]

WHU

YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO A BACKFLIP?!

PFFFFFFT

[jovial kite]

i do actually

landing on my feet is the hard part

[civic palm]

haha

[shut finch]

what do you guys consider right now, venom rush or poison blade

i mean toxic blade

[sudden brook]

tb

[fringe ginkgo]

tb on cd ♿

[quick cipher]

what about ep and bs... bs feels a little light with combo point generation

[civic palm]

Nevermind that it can be misleading.

[quick cipher]

lol i saw that just wanted live opinions

[jovial kite]

i find bs weak

[civic palm]

SIM the talent options.

[jovial kite]

PERSONAL OPINION

[civic palm]

Blindside is weak atm due to the power of MP/EP scaling options.

[quick cipher]

makes sence ty

[main blaze]

@quick cipher cents*

[quick cipher]

i has 0 cents 😃

[nimble tartan]

who here best sim with mantle sephuz B)

[hasty swan]

if i'm doing a transmog run what do you guys think would be better for killing adds? crimson tempest or hb talent?

[nimble tartan]

we sephuz now boys

[civic palm]

noty

noEnhancementPlz

[shrewd pine]

My is mantle prydaz

[vital crater]

only have legs and belt as of now XD

[nimble tartan]

my mantle sephuz top sim is basically identical to bracers/sephuz, insig/sephuz etc

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n3yfPutWYz8dy7pcZxxySH

[vital crater]

ill probably buy mantle since its good for all the 3 specs

[dire spoke]

46% crit, 26% haste

[nimble tartan]

i never tried prydaz got please no

[shrewd pine]

Do eeet

[nimble tartan]

whats ur ilvl?

[shrewd pine]

977 before squish

Idk now

[vital crater]

prydaz stops you from getting dismounted. = value over any other lego

[shrewd pine]

[nimble tartan]

i have a good argus neck so idk if itll make the cut

[vital crater]

[dire spoke]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xwGX7YC7gPewPykW7Xa59W

[shrewd pine]

Ya my neck is versa mastery, literal garbage now

So that doesnt help

[lunar coral]

is pandemic affected by haste now?

[shrewd pine]

This prepatch is wild. I hope imma gonna get some joocy drops from mythic tonight

Haste increases amount of ticks within duration

Doesnt reduce duration or whatnoz

[dire spoke]

we canceled reclear until monday

[lunar coral]

makes sense

[shrewd pine]

So haste doesnt affect pandemic

[fleet whale]

hero feels quite good as assassination now

[shrewd pine]

We cancelled yesterday. Gonna go in there today.

[dire spoke]

BL viable for rogues

[nimble tartan]

i think im just gonna run double ring it sims like 0.2% lower which is like 10 dps

[near flume]

so.. we are going haste crit now?

[shrewd pine]

Cba double ring

It sims like garbage for me anyway

[dire spoke]

get on my lvl

[hasty swan]

finally figured it out

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iigpyyztay9cc1eZ5Gj8v4

i have some work to do lol

[shrewd night]

Went heroic last night @dire spoke shit was nuts. Tanks died to dogs still without any way to fix it.

[civic palm]

haha

[dire spoke]

never play on patchday

[shrewd pine]

I got one shot through cheat death on heroic dogs

Good shit.

[shrewd night]

The only problem we had was strangely enough only dogs

[shrewd pine]

Yea, hc was fine other than dogs

[dire spoke]

what was nuking them away? the 100% attacks?

[shrewd night]

Although there are reports of imonar/aggra/arg0s being tons of fun

Ye

[dire spoke]

lol

[shrewd pine]

The dots

[shrewd night]

Doesnt do damage outside of that, and suddenly CHUNK tankded

[quick cipher]

dogs ws definately a pain for sure

[shrewd night]

Cant wait to see how many cds we have to spend on fire tank

[shrewd pine]

Mystical gonna be fun

[shrewd night]

Ill find out on sunday

[shrewd pine]

Me today, if I wont be benched

#triallife

At least i can get gear, thanks papa ion

[dire spoke]

theria trial

are you in the tops50 now

[civic hinge]

Anyone maybe has the pic that was pinned a few days before? With the cata release date and the number tuning a week after

[royal bronze]

What leggos would you guys run for M+? 😃

Still back?

[shrewd pine]

Nah, like r150 @dire spoke raiding with Argo

[strange python]

Insignia, Crucible. What is crucible?

[shrewd pine]

Crucible ring

[civic palm]

Grand Army ringimajig

[strange python]

quest legy/ argus kill?

[civic palm]

y

[deep beacon]

The though thing about M+ is to decideon aoe gear or on ST gear lol

Since you can't change it anymore at the boss, etc.

[vivid bone]

overnight I went from 4.6k to 5.3k dps sim

I'll take it I guess

[shrewd pine]

Big Luke

[vivid bone]

Well, patch day was fun. I owned in both PvE and PvP

3.7k dps first place on LFR argus lol

by a big margin too... so silly

[royal bronze]

couldn't imagine doing LFR with current state of classes

[deep beacon]

What are you guys generally doing for M+? Going ST or aoe build ?

[sudden brook]

theres more trash than there are bosses in m+

[vivid bone]

Depends on your other classes in the group

If there's a lot of AoE already, go with ST

[strange python]

everything is p much the same for me, except i use MfD in M+

[shrewd pine]

Yo Luke

I'm happy for you

GOod job!"

[deep beacon]

Yeah maybe for say upper kara on tyriannical

well there's to choose PB or CT

[vivid bone]

Hehe, it was fun though Therianek

[cinder palm]

I’ve been going single target leggos, with CT build

Works well for me

[shrewd pine]

I can imagine 😃 I had plenty fun in mythic raider's lfr too yesterday

[vivid bone]

I mean, I did 9.4% of the damage, number 2 and 3 about that too, #4 did like 6%

[shrewd pine]

👌

[vivid bone]

according to details at least

[shrewd pine]

details works fine so it should be accurate

[strange python]

Just tried Gorshalach's Legacy Trinket in a M+ damn that thing hits hard

[vivid bone]

Oh nice

since haste is good again

I've been using a chrono shard lol

[strange python]

The proc hits hard

[shrewd pine]

dont use chrono 😦

[vivid bone]

It sims highest for me

[shrewd pine]

its shite even with haste being high

oh

nvm then

[vivid bone]

It simmed higher then my heroic fang

[shrewd pine]

ya fang is shite now

[vivid bone]

so yeah

[shrewd pine]

but the scourgewing is quite good

[vivid bone]

I think I have that one too

[shrewd pine]

or even better Egg of serpentix

thats the best trinket rn

[shrewd night]

Scourgewing legit 10% of my total damage

[vivid bone]

I think I need to recover some gear lol

[civic palm]

Egg is shit O _O

[shrewd pine]

No its not?

[vivid bone]

Not according to

[civic palm]

Ever seen a non-SIM parse with it doing well?

[vivid bone]

Nobody has it lol

[civic palm]

The doods die too easily.

Almost impossible for it to actually deal damage.

[shrewd pine]

I think Seli has 985 pre squished one

[vivid bone]

How do you even recover gear lol

[shrewd pine]

its somewhere on b.net

[civic palm]

google item restoration

[vivid bone]

yeah

just did

thanks fams

holy shit this is nice, complete web UI

[deep beacon]

Scourgewing at 210 simshigher for me by a lot then egg at 220 not sure why its still listed above it that much

[shrewd pine]

maybe egg got fixed in sims

but egg was simming crazy high yday

[strange python]

so under 30% use blindside as a builder right?

[vivid bone]

its not in my item restore, so must still be in bags/bank

[shrewd pine]

item restorehas a like 3 months expiration tho

so mind that

Dont use blindside @strange python

[civic palm]

not @ 110 anyway.

[vivid bone]

ah fair enough Therianek

[shrewd night]

@strange python afaik, if you are dead set on using it, only use it when its procs even during execute

[civic palm]

That is correct.

[shrewd pine]

I need fucking shoulderpads tier so I can run 2/4

[uncut shale]

People get really salty when they lose to a rogue. xD

[jovial kite]

For me, ilvl trumped t20 2p

i had 969/940 presquish t20

[shrewd pine]

oh

My T20 is 935+socket

so idk

but I'm missing shoulderpiece anyway so whatever

[steep obsidian]

hmm is gorschalachs work using in aoe now

[civic palm]

Probably.

[shrewd night]

Gorsh and facricator SIMS high, but dont know how effective it is realisticly

[limpid willow]

hey is there anything special about sin that wouldnt work on a dummy? sims are saying i should be doing 2.7k but im nowhere close

[civic palm]

The statest stickest wins again!!

[shrewd pine]

do you have poisons equiped?

I was hitting dummies for like half an hour yesterday without poisons on

[vivid bone]

haha

[civic palm]

👏

[vivid bone]

👏🏻

[shrewd night]

Just Theri Things

[shrewd pine]

NOT MY FAULT

My reminder WA was broken

🤷

[civic palm]

120% your fault

[vivid bone]

[limpid willow]

@shrewd pine deadly poison right?

[shrewd pine]

Did the same shit on coven later

[vivid bone]

needs reminder for poison

[shrewd pine]

30% on boss

[civic palm]

O _O

[shrewd pine]

Theri doesnt have poisoooons

[shrewd night]

yes kawaii

[shrewd pine]

also had sub boots equiped

[vivid bone]

and crippling poison

[shrewd pine]

but that doesnt count

[limpid willow]

just to make sure i have it down

[vivid bone]

o_o really?

just activate deadly poison

and check again

[vivid bone]

it's not rocket surgery

[shrewd pine]

obviously it is

since I failed it

[vivid bone]

you just dumb

[limpid willow]

never overcap CP
toxic blade on CD
keep garrote/rupture up
blindside if you get a proc
envenom if rupture is up

[shrewd pine]

dont use blindside

[strange python]

!

[vivid bone]

you can install HeroDamage rotation addon to help you with getting the rotation down

[brisk bobcat]

also kawaii, use poisons

[shrewd night]

[limpid willow]

why wouldnt i have poisons on

[terse whale]

melee > poisons

[vivid bone]

https://github.com/herotc/hero-rotation Kawaii

[civic palm]

Just make sure they're on.

[vivid bone]

If you want to try it

[civic palm]

Otherwise you look dumb.

[shrewd night]

Yes Theri, why wouldnt you have poisons on

[limpid willow]

https://i.imgur.com/36YOj8Z.png

the poisons are up

okay

[vivid bone]

low bleed up time

[topaz axle]

which neck enchant are you guys simming best with? Issue with my ISP and blizz atm or i'd check myself

[civic palm]

claw or satyr

[vivid bone]

I've been using claw

since I'm lazy

it was already on my haste neck

[civic palm]

ezpz

[brisk bobcat]

satyr 5677, claw 5646, mast 5644 for me, so swapped it

[vivid bone]

hardly matters then

[civic palm]

Yep, just whichever.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limpid willow]

but im at 95% uptime on rupture and 98% on garrote (running away from dummy to end parse so lose a little time)

[ripe nimbus]

so in M+ after applying ur 4 garrotes on opener on trash, is it best to then rupture 3 targets and then spam CT or just forget rupture and spam CT?

[vivid bone]

I donno, maybe your haste is low Kawaii

[civic palm]

CT, Rupture 1

[limpid willow]

i dont think that has much to do with my sim

[civic palm]

refresh CT @ ~2seconds

[vivid bone]

maybe

[ripe nimbus]

i thought the general consensus was u just spam CT because it does to much upfront damage?

[civic palm]

Rupture and Garrote fucking everything that lives long enough.

[vivid bone]

@limpid willow you can install https://github.com/herotc/hero-rotation as I said earlier, it'll help you with rotation a bit maybe

Might tell you some things during the rotation you didn't think of

[deep solstice]

I see a majority of the higher parses are running subterfuge now....how is that changing the rotation vice nightstalker?

[copper sinew]

Check the pins

[civic palm]

Same as it did in the past.

and NS/SUB are effectively tied.

[deep solstice]

true. There are still a lot of NS that are close. but there is a higher apparent success rate with sub

[civic palm]

That just means more people are using it, not that it's better, as dumb as that sounds.

[deep solstice]

I get what you mean

I can get behind the BFA guide preaching Blindside....I was hoping it would somehow come out ahead.

[shrewd pine]

dont use blindside

its trash

[civic palm]

@ 110

[ripe nimbus]

its BiS at 120

[deep solstice]

ya I tried it last night for ant and it was pretty garbage

[strange python]

bracers+ blindside, nice execute ^^

[shrewd pine]

yea, nah

blindside is trash

[civic palm]

What does BS have to do with Bracers? o _O

[shrewd pine]

execute ecks dee

[civic palm]

They're both their own damned executes.

[round harbor]

hello friends

it is i

[civic palm]

👋

[round harbor]

the reroll fotm is real

[brisk bobcat]

never saw you on the lock discord xd

[jovial kite]

Rolling prepatch preliminary tuning

youll need to roll again when bfa launches

[limpid willow]

roll windwalker

enjoy how the spec doesnt function properly

a 1 chi spender does more damage per chi than a 2 chip spender.. hm....

[civic palm]

It's prepatch O _O

[stray barn]

That has been a problem with windwalker since BFA alpha

[limpid willow]

yep! 😃

[stray barn]

so blizz obviously doesn't give a fuck about that

[limpid willow]

yep flashbacks to how monks were treated at the start of legion

lets hope we dont get the same treatment

[round harbor]

https://imgur.com/glkjbsR

[civic palm]

Yeah but Resto...

[round harbor]

lmao

imagine playing a healing spec in 2018

[civic palm]

tru

[limpid willow]

its why i play disc

since it is a dps spec

[limpid basin]

Mmm subterfuge is bugged and allows you to health with stealthed

[civic palm]

Not new

[robust pine]

it allows to mount too

not sure it's bug

[civic palm]

Been that way forever.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

When they want to fix it they remove items from being able to be used with it.

[brisk forge]

Anyone know if you can pay to get another igen restored from Blizz? Locked and i accidently destroyed my Seeping xD Fang sux atm so...

[warm parcel]

Have people never noticed stealth staying

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

It's pretty unique.

[warm parcel]

I gladly abused stealth surveying or mounting

[civic palm]

Yep

Stealth Surveying is 👌

[copper sinew]

"Aethys - playing herodamage.com" - good lord have mercy over him

[deep beacon]

Anyone using details here

[civic palm]

y

[copper sinew]

Everyone, I hope

[deep beacon]

When I go to check the segment/overall data section. I am trying to "pick" one of the boss fights to see the data just for that bu whenever i move over to it the list of overall data disappears too fast. Not sure if I am doing something to cause that

[opaque tree]

Is insignia simming higher for most people, over Sephuz? I feel like on ST Sephuz isn't that great

[brisk forge]

Using skada 👌🏻

[vivid bone]

Details > skada/recount

[brisk forge]

Using logs for more specific info 😏

[open reef]

mantle simming best for me - insigna or bracers arevery close to each other

[deep beacon]

I like details but I can't access the historical overall data segments currently 😦

[opaque tree]

do you have Sephuz to sim though?

[civic palm]

No need to FEEL, just SIMit.

[brisk forge]

But feelcrafty😯😯😯🙃

[twin prism]

Guys so warcraft logs are fucked right?

for example im the first one here

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/17#boss=2063&difficulty=4&search=ilvl.230.235&class=Rogue

But in the logs it shows that i have parsed 60 for my ilvl

[shrewd pine]

rankings take up to 24 hours to properly process on character page.

[twin prism]

Okay 😃

Thank you

[deep beacon]

I think there is a bug with entropic embrace VE racial

[twin prism]

what is the bug?

[deep beacon]

Seems to be doing a massive amount of damage sometimes

it proced and it chunked a 13 key first boss seat in about 5 seconds

#2 in overall damage

[shrewd night]

Seemed? Or did?

[deep beacon]

It did lol

Looking at the logs now

ill get a ss

[twin prism]

ok

[opaque tree]

all haste gems? think noxic was saying 1 agil gem and the rest haste, but i only see people using haste

[deep beacon]

Noticed that the boss went from like 40% health to dead very fast and my dps spiked to like 15k+ all of a sudden and it was EE

[twin prism]

it all depends on your stat weight @opaque tree

[deep beacon]

Sorry cut out DP as #1 damage source

[shrewd night]

@opaque tree Why would you use noxxic voluntarily? Who is holding you at gunpoint?

[opaque tree]

haha i dunno, i mean yesterday it was 1 of 2 sites that had any info at all

😛

[shrewd night]

Yesterday we had all the info you could ever need right here
Noxxic has a, rightfully so, reputation for being inaccurate and sloppy.

[twin prism]

@deep beacon yeah dude.. thats a lot.. im sure its a bug

[brisk bobcat]

doesnt make sense either

since its 5% of whatever you do

[opaque tree]

but today a lot more info is being spilled. that's why i ask.. yes agility is still higher than haste, I think it is for most because of how main stats work, but I figured people were gemming straight haste just to get that smoothed out rotation

[twin prism]

just like i said

you have to sim yourself

its all individual

[opaque tree]

well i apologize, i don't normally use noxxic, but just took a glance yesterday

[fiery nest]

Noxic LOL

Holy shit

[twin prism]

N X I C

[shrewd night]

N X I C

[twin prism]

WHO DID THIS 😂 👌

[vestal wren]

nice insignia + crusible #1 sim

[twin prism]

y.. i didnt think of that

[vestal wren]

well its with both tier sets

so iinsignia + mantle/bracers will remain top with t21 only

[amber sleet]

with 2210021 talents fuu?

[spring zephyr]

With single target opener by the time you get to vanish what do u do if garrote is + 6 seconds or is that no possible

[vestal wren]

oh moment^^

[twin prism]

y mantle insignia for t21(4)

[vestal wren]

T1 might be very close for talents

is also so in BfA so you are free to choose what fits best

[twin prism]

For t21(4) t1 for talents doesnt make a difference at all apparently at hero damage

But isnt it all about your secondary stats?

[vestal wren]

EP is best on aoe

[twin prism]

I feel like if you have a lot of mastery you should go for the first one

[vestal wren]

On ST all 3 seem fine

i should probebly add that to the guide

[twin prism]

Yeah

[amber sleet]

What stat weights did u get with the sim @vestal wren

still haste>crit?

[vestal wren]

XD

[strange python]

😄

[vestal wren]

NS is not so bad

for certain combinations

[twin prism]

fuu did they fix the toxic blade bug?

[vestal wren]

i am not sure, i just came online

[solar willow]

whats wrong with tb

[twin prism]

well it wasnt calculating the nature damage amplification. but i feel lik they fixed it. not home now or i would test it

[solar willow]

did the ravenholdt guide get taken down?

[copper sinew]

Wut

No

[solar willow]

cant find it in pins

except if it's the pastebin one

[copper sinew]

It's literally the channel's topic ^^

SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/battle-for-azeroth-quickstart-guides/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE

[solar willow]

ops

mybad lol

so the cloak build was a meme?

[vestal wren]

ye i have it on pastepin in pins and on RH in the channel topic

[ocean nebula]

at 30% do we muti or only blindside?

[vestal wren]

blindside if it procs

[twin prism]

@solar willow it was the best build for a short time untill it got fixed.

[copper sinew]

The interaction between Cloak and Hidden Blades was multiplicative, was hotfixed to additive, if you want to know

[solar willow]

so now we go back to shoulders with insignia?

thats what sims best for me

[fallen steeple]

@copper sinew you should pin that link

[clever raven]

Was TB bug fixed? Where it wasn’t applying the nature damage amp?

[limpid willow]

ive been sitting at this dummy for an hour and i cant hit my sim dps or anywhere close

[deep beacon]

Stilldunno what i like more for M+ crimson tempest or PB...lol

[limpid willow]

maybe its time for me to reroll

[copper sinew]

@fallen steeple I am not allowed to pin anything plus it's the channel's topic

[twin prism]

@solar willow yeah. shoulders insignia with poisonbomb

[copper sinew]

@limpid willow Pots, Food, Flask, Heroism, (Execute Range), Vanish resetting meters

Used everything?

[fallen steeple]

that link didnt make sense Romp

[copper sinew]

Which link

[solar willow]

so by using shoulders i'd assume the opener goes back to the old one?!

[limpid willow]

i sim for 2.9k
im bareeeeely hitting 2k
I dont know if pots and flasks are gonna push me that far up
does sin gain anything out of execute range? I thought you only blindside with a proc anyways

[copper sinew]

@limpid willow That's why I put brackets. Anyways, Pots + Flask + Heroism could do a lot, yes

[limpid willow]

im hitting near 100% uptime on garrote/rupture
not wasting any CP/energy
making sure to get them sick nasty garrotes inside of vanish

thats the basics right?

[shrewd night]

Sims has everything included, heroism, pot/food/flask and all that jazz.

[limpid willow]

but still almost 50% difference?

[shrewd night]

Id say its something you're doing that you shouldnt be doing, but tough to say without logs

[copper sinew]

900 down from 2900 is more like 33% than 50

[fallen steeple]

why is subterfuge strong atm? feel like im missing something.

[limpid willow]

🤦

[copper sinew]

It's basically even with Nightstalker

[limpid willow]

romp what is 2000x1.33

[copper sinew]

Cuznomantleithink

2.660?

[fallen steeple]

2.667

[copper sinew]

And what is 900/2900? 31%, which is the damage you are missing

[serene nacelle]

Maybe he is comparing the 2900 with a 6k mark, around 50% diff

[limpid willow]

nah i wish i could hit 6k lmoa

im ilvl 203 on sin, 210 on outlaw
though.. my sin is simming higher than outlaw

but im able to hit my outlaw sim super easily with average roll the bones

[copper sinew]

Can you link us a raidbots sim of your's?

[limpid willow]

yee
sim is running now, one min

[flint jetty]

Hm so far in my sims for t1 EB > MP > Blindside with bracers and insig simming highest.

[vestal wren]

yes EP seems to be best in T1 for pre patch

[flint jetty]

MP and EP being .5% difference right now

[vestal wren]

tho all 3 seemed reasonable close

[spark terrace]

struggling to adapt to using subterfuge playstyle, was nightstalker most of legion, keep spamming cheapshot on a boss when i'm trying to mutilate 😦

[clever raven]

TB still bugged?

[vestal wren]

you can sim nightstalker

[flint jetty]

2.3% from blindside to MP and 2.8% from blindside to EP

[vestal wren]

it seems to be close on many setups

[clever raven]

Currently unable to check for myself

[copper sinew]

@spark terrace Nightstalker is pretty even with Subterfuge - or adapt your stealth bar to be the same as your normal bar? ^^

[limpid willow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eeHM9URFGMgdHJjuZEnMVX

[spark terrace]

yeah im tempted to stay night just because my head can't get round subterfuge at the moment, my garotte is in the same button position as out of stealth, but in stealth my 1 is cheapshot, out it's rupture

[slate tulip]

i see retri is king of logs

[limpid willow]

this is what ya need right?

[clever raven]

Kawaii are you running TB? Cus if it’s still bugged that could be why you aren’t hitting your sim

That just now occurred to me cus I wasn’t able to hit my sim either, was about 1k under what I was siming at on raidbots

[flint jetty]

Whaats is/wass bugged about TB

[clever raven]

Not applying the nature damage amp

[twin prism]

@adam dude just put them on the same keybind in and out of stealth wtf

@adam

[copper sinew]

@limpid willow Poison Bomb procs, Blindside procs, (Toxic Blade Bug), Food, Flask, Potion, Heroism

It's reasonable you're not reaching your sim honestly

[limpid willow]

whats wrong with toxic blade?

but yeah im running it

[copper sinew]

I simmed for ~5.5k yesterday, hit the dummy for ~4.5, hit Garothi M for ~5.8

The damage amplification was/is not working properly

[limpid willow]

oh

okay

[flint jetty]

tb seems to be working

[fiery sage]

yday i simmed for 6.2k with the same gear i have on and same way and today i sim 5,9k gg

[spark terrace]

@twin prism is that you in stealth? then out of stealth your cheapshot changes to somethin else yea? I've mained rogue all legion but never ever used subterfuge lol

[twin prism]

Dude subterfuge is amazing

And thats me out of steath

Honestly subterfuge is really good in mythics, pvp even raids can be good

[quartz depot]

i just have cheap shot in stealth and kidney out of stealth on the same button

[twin prism]

Why???

Nvm each to its own

Its all personal anyway

[quartz depot]

i guess it might matter in pvp, but i dont do that anyway

so it's irrelevant tbh

[copper sinew]

Why'd you bind Kidney Shot anyways, it's a dps loss hurdur

[quartz depot]

to proc my sephuz on eonar

[spark terrace]

i think my trouble is because i'm trying to undo a whole expansion worth of muscle memory to something else

[twin prism]

Its all personal anyway

[copper sinew]

@quartz depot I was joking 😄

@spark terrace Well if you had Mutilate on 1 out of stealth and mutilate on 1 in stealth, then what would you have to change?

Just have Mutilate, Envenom, Garrote and Rupture on the same button out of and in stealth

[ripe nimbus]

Yah I had to do that as well I didn't have enough action bars tho so I had to move sap and distract feelsmovedman

Was running some 24-26 keys Sin feels so good in M+ now

[quartz depot]

CT feels awesome

[ripe nimbus]

Garrote is the real winner tho really

[quartz depot]

sure, but having an aoe finisher is nice

[ripe nimbus]

I'm still trying to optimize it I'm not sure if spamming CT is better after apply garrotes or putting any ruptures on any targets before spamming CT I think in non fortified weeks might be better to spam CT as shit dies to fast

[spark terrace]

@copper sinew yeah i'm gonna try that. It's more a personal challenge for me, i'm left handed and have mousei n left hand so right is on the keyboard but i still use WASD. So my fingers are reversed to maybe most others, means i don't use as many binds as i'd have to use my pinky for everything

i pretty much just use 1-4, QET, some mouse buttons then ctrl mod on some of them

[winter cliff]

could someone explain is why use vanish then garrote ?

[ripe nimbus]

Because of the talent subterfuge

[winter cliff]

ahhhhh

[ripe nimbus]

Read what it does

[shrewd night]

tosic

[ripe nimbus]

No u

[shrewd pine]

whos being toxic again?

dont tell me Ion lied to us

[limpid willow]

me

[strange python]

its the first time i see a patch so balanced and wtih so few bugs

thx blizzard

cant wait the launch of BfA

[shrewd pine]

"few bugs"

[warm parcel]

Aoe prio is simple

1 have ct rolling, never spam
2 garrote
3 rupture

CT has cp floor so you dont just use it at one cp

Rup too

[shrewd pine]

Meanwhile mana reduction trinket is reducing Holy Power cost for rets, Rune cost for DKs, T21 4pc for sub prevents them from gaining combo points. Hands legendary doesnt generate CP with gloves. Half the mythic raid instance is busted. Level 40 dungeon bosses are killing max level mythic gear characters

few bugs tho

[ripe nimbus]

^ very negative person

Probably fun at party's

[quick ice]

Didn't delete boot.ini therefore a successful patch?

[ripe nimbus]

^ very positive person

[shrewd pine]

"negative"

true actually tho

[strange python]

“He’s no sucking blizz’s dick, he’s negative” 🤔🤔🤔

[shrewd pine]

my boy

[jovial kite]

nice banana

[zinc zephyr]

can somebody help me with weakauras? I'm looking for/trying to make a weakaura for empowered bleeds(nightstalker/subterfuge/exang)

[brazen sky]

Should I be simming higher than 5.1k with 240 ilvl?

[tawdry token]

which legendaries are good now ?

[shrewd pine]

[tawdry token]

i wonder ur opinions 😄

anyway

[shrewd pine]

our opinions are irrelevant as everyone's gear is different and different things work for them

I sim highest with prydaz and insig

my other friends sim highest with insig mantle, or insig sephuz, or insig argus ring

[strange python]

Over 25% haste Shoulders+Insignia, under 25% haste, shoulders+sephuz

[shrewd pine]

🤷

[brisk forge]

Always sim

[tawdry token]

👌

[fathom falcon]

Anyone else getting lower with blindside talent? I know it's still early days though..

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eEMkyj7PcRKr3gFWu5wGHK

[vernal atlas]

And here I am still vanishing before Envenom... idiot me xD

[sudden brook]

cuz blindside sucks rn

its better in bfa

[brisk forge]

Yeah diff for everyone, Blindside sux for me atm

[flint jetty]

Yeah from my simms EP>MP>Blindside

EP and MP are .5% differ for me

[fathom falcon]

Interesting

[vernal atlas]

@fathom falcon Blindside is weird.... I sim higher with it, though I am unsure if its really the best to spam it t 5CP -> Finisher, when target is below 30%

[fathom falcon]

@vernal atlas maybe it would work well with bracers?

I saw earlier that TB isn't doing its job properly, anyone finding it's working properly?

[flint jetty]

Yeah tb is working now

[fathom falcon]

Ahh great

[primal sigil]

i did a 19 EoA earier.. with blindside.. did 5.6k dps on deepbear normal rotation with BS procs.. did 5.7k on azshara with lust only blindside spam

so personally it seems just 100 more dp s with lust and i had bracers. too soo

[vernal atlas]

it sometimes feels like mutilate, due to the faster cp build and therefore potential higher number in finisher puts out more dps, even when the target is below 30% and blindside unlocks. has anyone tried it out?

[primal sigil]

seems underwhelming

[vernal atlas]

the blindside proc while the target is above 30% feels amazing though

[primal sigil]

yeah, sure does.. but just spamming BS under 30% like on azshara seemed udnerwhleming

[vernal atlas]

Aha! so you are facing the same issue....

[flint jetty]

how many cp can BS proc to?

[primal sigil]

well it was just one run, if i get EoA o ahigher key will try tht build again, it is fair to note i did go mantle bracers instead of bracer insignia

[vernal atlas]

max 2, if crits

[ripe nimbus]

Blindside will be good at lower ilvls and with out t21 in bfa because of its proc and our general low energy regen at the start of BFA

It will prob end up being worse as the expansion goes on

[wheat jewel]

https://gyazo.com/6ba185be88ee93412059f54b3872ad72 dont work for rogue ???

[fathom falcon]

Why is it that insignia is now favoured over boots?

[vernal atlas]

while mutilate can potentially generate 4

[ripe nimbus]

Unless it gets buffed by azerite trait or blizz

[primal sigil]

i think the crit on insignia is too good to give up, not sure though

[vernal atlas]

if you got the shoulders you are 5 secs guaranteed to get 4 cp with mutilate after vanish

[primal sigil]

and the bonus dmg isnt bad ?

well during my mantle phase i did use muti like opener/bla

but im saying other than tht it was BS

[ripe nimbus]

It has great stats and a gem slot. And free damage

[fathom falcon]

Ahh ok - it just seems weird that it went from pretty shit with single target dps to now being better than boots/vendetta

[sudden brook]

Shoulders bracers were "the best" and insig was slightly behind the shoulders, the shoulders got worse, so the ring became better

[ripe nimbus]

It was never bad before

[sudden brook]

exactly

[wheat jewel]

darkmoon deck: promises give infinite evicerate ?

[sudden brook]

no

[vernal atlas]

So, to nail it down. Many of us have the feeling that spamming BS under 30% is worse but we got no concrete numbers, right?

[primal sigil]

also i think boots lost valu after we lost MA trait

[sudden brook]

duh

boots are better in specific situations