boooo
#assassination
mellow pasture
sacred citrus
walk in to M+ press delete on trash mobs
ebon bramble
lool
strange python
sub and their broken tier
empty tide
fok is already a meme
strange python
no
mellow pasture
no
teal glen
lmao
mellow pasture
still does good damage for me though
idk there is something about ss finish ss finish that makes me . sleepy
teal glen
hey you get to refresh nb every 20s 
sudden brook
against what is it dealing decent damage
mellow pasture
Hey! WTF they changed sub so we can't DFA so we are back to the old rotation
but no teleporting SS ? boooo
quartz depot
implying assa gameplay is more engaging
mellow pasture
^
sudden brook
u havent been able to teleport with every SS For awhile
sudden brook
it'd be broken again lol
twin prism
Np
Cant wait for the fucking numbers tomorrow
To see all the sims and shit
But its probably gonna be the shoulder,ring combo
twin prism
With pb and thw second talent on first row
lunar berry
is it bracers or ring with 3210021?
strange python
If anything we've learned that your ideal legendaries can vary wildly...
sudden brook
idk, sim urself
twin prism
Exactly
sudden brook
best legendary affects on your stats
lunar berry
ya, standard answer " sim your self". Could atually just shut down this forum and do raidbots all days
kinda missing the point with a froum tho
sudden brook
well what the fuck else do u want
lunar berry
ask pplp
sudden brook
the best legendary for YOU depends on YOUR characters stats
sudden brook
I can tell you whats best for me but that isnt going to tell you whats best for you
I no longer have haste as mainstat for sin, but im not gonna go around telling people "HASTE SUCKS YOU DONT NEED IT ANYMORE"
sim urself and you get anwers its that simple
lunar berry
seriously,,,"sim your self" only answer ever received. why are you in here at all? just stick to raidbots
fluid mist
Because it’s the only awnser That’s a solution for what you are asking
sudden brook
the correct answer for YOUR character is different than mine, different than somebody elses
idk i dont know your character so why would i suggest anything other than "do a little work to find out"
junior flume
There's plenty that this discord can help with other than gear. Especially when it's impossible for people to give an answer that fits everyone. It varies from each char. Most seem to be using haste as main stat, but then again MOST... .So... Sim yourself 😄
weak isle
we've been chatting here for the last couple of hours talking about sims and what people get for best leggo's
so for sure u can chat here
teal glen
stack mastery and pray rngesus to proc 3 poison bomb during inc with shoulder
best sim
pale scroll
what about the back lego and hidden blade
prisma pond
Lol
spring zephyr
On eliviu
fluid mist
In general if you really cba simming run shoulders and bracers as you would normally do. I reckon it Will be a minor dps loss considering you are Not Very likely to play without any error
potent lintel
With deceit and FOK talent. Do you just wait til it is maximall stack before you use it?
spring zephyr
on eliviu
fast nacelle
hmm im not sure for m+.
mantle + sephuz or bracer + sephuz
i feel like mantle is kinda wasted since you garrote a lot during crit windows
- for bracer + selphuz garrote is free
kinda
weak isle
shoulders sim highest for me
fast nacelle
talkin about m+
jovial vault
So what was wrong with insignia with sims? Is it still one of the better ones?
fast nacelle
its alright.. 2-2.8% dmg with insig depending on fight
spring zephyr
Does any1 know how to change the color of the text
In the healthbar on eliviu
fast nacelle
belt is also ~2% so
junior flume
How do you sim for m+, the hectic cleave?
weak isle
belt sims xD
fluid mist
It showed 30% while it was actually 15 right?
fluid mist
Belt was My first leggo xD
junior flume
@spring zephyr /ec -> UnitFrames -> Player Frame -> Health IIRC
fluid mist
The nostalgia is real
azure folio
why isn't the belt reliable while simming ?
junior flume
Or might actually be unter Name instead of health
fluid mist
Even tho is was an rng shitshow I’m Still going to miss the leggo system in a way
empty crescent
so whats everyone using for legos?
fluid mist
A chance to get a serious power increase at any given time Made things a bit spicy imho
sacred latch
ravenholdt/sephuz atm
weak isle
Mantle + Sephuz
empty crescent
damn so no more cloak?
weak isle
nerfed
empty crescent
rip
ebon bramble
rip our AOE
fast nacelle
lol
weak isle
CT seems fine tho
half tartan
What was nerf have link?
fast nacelle
our aoe is better than ever
ebon bramble
PB isnt so bad if you get back to back procs
weak isle
incosistant tho
rugged wren
What do you guys use for neck enchants? the haste/crit proc
fast nacelle
dont use pb for aoe
ebon bramble
ya pb is unreliable
weak isle
claw or satyr @rugged wren
somber hill
So are we still going HB +Cloak + Shoulders? even on ST?
plush lake
is anyone running blindside?
fast nacelle
i had so many procs in st fights and was like: wow.. lets see how much it did
peaked at 3%
ebon bramble
lol
weak isle
xD
ebon bramble
but it is our only single target choice 😦
somber hill
I thought HB + Cloak simmed better single target?
ebon bramble
i wish blizz was smart enough to give us a better talkent for single target in the last tier
weak isle
its dead
somber hill
@weak isle its dead?
fast nacelle
2,27% dmg
somber hill
So whats the new go to?
teal glen
i hope they remove FoK talent it seems kinda useless now in every situation 
somber hill
PB? and the regular leggos?
weak isle
whatever sims the best for you
fast nacelle
sephuz and CT should kick ass
deep beacon
I might run blindside simply so i have more buttons to push. Really missing kingsbane and setting it up lol
weak isle
pb and whatever
sage viper
I use mantle+sephuz's. it sims the best for me right now
sage viper
for st that is
fast nacelle
im 99% sure bracer sephuz will be better
ebon bramble
im guessing CT is not for single target tho
fast nacelle
for m+ you dont get anything off mantle
when you garrote targets
its wasted as fuck.
its kinda fine on bosses based on fight duration
but bracer sephuz aint much behind
plush lake
garrote trigers sephuz??
teal glen
but does it work on raid bosses?
strange python
probably not.
teal glen
Sephuz proc + BL + berserking 👌
ebon bramble
how is CT compared to PB for single target?
ebon bramble
ah well
half tartan
Is scourgewing also nerfed?
fast nacelle
no
teal glen
Scourge is op afaik
fast nacelle
yes
teal glen
on certain classes
fast nacelle
its fine
spare flame
bwhat is ct?
teal glen
my enha friend was doing lots of dmg with scourge
echo shoal
is the numbering for talents go from left to right or right to left? and Im guessing 0 means you can take whatever?
deep beacon
are you alll using MFD in M+ or vigor ?
echo shoal
is there a clear winner in M+ between the 3 specs right now?
empty tide
sub with cloak+shoulder is deletting everything in m+
mellow pasture
how about ST
ebon bramble
im guessing it wont be deleting as fast when 120 comes out
strange python
I did a m+ with MFD and CT. seemed okay.
ebon bramble
surprised outlaw isnt destroying mythic+ like most ppl claim and everyone is all about sub clearing m+ better
tender folio
Sephuzs sims higher then Insignia for me
ebon bramble
sephuz is amazing
undone hill
"should be"
empty tide
back with shoulder and sectec
ebon bramble
"should be"
undone hill
u absolutely cant tell yet
empty tide
cause sub its destroying shit in bfa too
sweet rampart
Should i be trying to toxic blade before i envenom? Or can it happen immediately after? I am running into combo capping. Or does it not matter just use it on cooldown?
echo shoal
what is about sub that makes it better at deletting shit with that lego combo? ass has fan too no?
empty tide
sub have shadow dance symbols and sectec
undone hill
it really depends on how they will be tweaking both speccs and how much each specc will profit vom the azetrite gear
echo shoal
figured that would out way what sub had but I guess I dont remember subs actual numbers
empty tide
its cause it all adds up
symbols dance, shuriken storm at 30 stacks with vanish
BOOM
torn bear
Mark of Claw or Satyr?
echo shoal
interesting
undone hill
i remember early legion, when i had an outlaw in my raid who had both BiS legys, the ring and the one with extra between the eyes damage
empty tide
glaive trinkets is good af still too
undone hill
and he outdamaged even me as sin with one BiS and the belt as legendary
that combo was crazy
actually
empty tide
wow
plush lake
sincehaste is best has anyone tried running chrono shard 2 piece?
echo shoal
so are you guys optimistic about rogue being good in bfa? Im considering maining it
supple hearth
Im optimistic about rogue being good if you're good.
And it being bad if you're bad
echo shoal
I like the sound of that
vocal knoll
im maining it because of warmode and island expeditions
prisma carbon
uhhh did serpentrix trinket get nerfed? simming way lower than earlier today. like 500 dps less
strange python
@supple hearth The Mists of Pandaria pots (Virmen's Bite) and flasks (flasks of the falling leaves) are giving more stats than legion pots and flasks. Popp is 113 stats, Virmen's Bite is 377 agility. Tell everyone!
nimble tartan
sephuz mantle my best simming setup Poggers
rotund pier
same
gleaming geyser
same
deep beacon
just going to use what i have for now and then see how it goes next few days, have a aoe set and a ST one and a world one lol
gleaming geyser
@strange python WoD vers pot is superior to the MoP agility pot
deep beacon
Just wish they would make the rotation a bit more fun kinda stale now a bit
sage viper
not that I know of, but it will get fixed soon enough...so propably shouldn't bother with that
surreal solar
Should I wait a while before concerning myself with stats/rotation/etc since blizz still isn’t done tuning
haughty parrot
mark of the hidden satyr still better than claw?
tender folio
y
prisma carbon
its going to be like this mostly til launch bc the game isn't balanced at 110 anymore
hollow escarp
so I just found out that I can have Leeching, Deadly and Crippling poison up on the same time 😮
surreal solar
And wound and numbing if your war mode enables
surreal solar
Why not maneuverability
hollow escarp
didn't put too much thinking on the pvp talents
compact halo
Hi guys, im new to rogue, decided to main assa in bfa, can you tell me how to properly use subterfuge?
tender folio
Guess shoulders and belt are bis for me now QQ
surreal solar
Bfa isn’t ready yet, nobody’s really sure Cz
solemn trout
what stat is good now?
sage viper
Don't refresh garrote if applied from stealth and just macro vanish and garrote together
compact halo
Yea but still i use garrote and don't know what to do next in this 3s window
ornate herald
raidbots considers youre getting procs off cd with sephuz right?
pale scroll
hey i want to sim other lego but i dont have a purple back to put on. how do i find the right one to use
deft aurora
and i have to change shoulder for ravenholdt
sage viper
it's mantle+sephuz for most people but it could be mantle+bracer or bracer+sephuz. depending on your other items
harsh aurora
@compact halo after you get your subterfuge-boosted garrote up just continue with your normal opener/rotation
compact halo
Oh ok, thanks a lot :D
pale scroll
how would you use sephuz when raiding?
harsh aurora
There are a lot of fights you can proc sephuz on
fast nacelle
you dont need to proc it
if it sims highest for you it sims highest without the buff
pale scroll
really?
fast nacelle
yes
pale scroll
wow
harsh aurora
It was BiS for Spriest all xpac literally just from the 2% haste lol
deft aurora
can someone tell me talent plz for rogue assa
pale scroll
so its better then ravenholt even if you cant porc it?
dawn flame
it's literally at the top
harsh aurora
burnt lagoon
so is everyone leveling with the FoN build in BFA?
mental vessel
How do i paste my sim in here for yall to see
supple mesa
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9nLmrkFBNzyJ1cXH#fight=48&type=damage-done
10/10 log look at the pally's rotation LOL
stupid bugged deck
serene vine
that is being hotfixed already
mental vessel
check out my shit toon https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9sFa4W9JmmwkYBEctqzZ9J
warm beacon
Rogue stats now?
mental vessel
what
harsh aurora
Wtf did he just like nut proc the whole fight or is that a bug I should’ve spent all day exploiting on my pally?
sage viper
@pale scroll Ahc: interrupt the caster add, same for portal keeper, coven: blind one of the army-adds and interrupt the fel chick, aggramar: blind one small add.
ornate gazelle
is anyone else's tempered egg of serpentrix doing very little damage in comparison to the sims for assassination?
untold jasper
Is Simcraft apl up to date with legendaries?
sage viper
yes but have to use the nightly version
placid elbow
this guy,k better not TYPE
untold jasper
Just seems weird to me that shackles arent one of the top legendaries considering our bleeds and poisons are affected by mastery now and bleeds are affected by haste.
Can anyone smarter than me explain that?
wintry kayak
guys, i know i need sim my self... but Symbiote better ? =/
hushed lion
after simming for 4hrs
strange python
@gleaming geyser It isn't. WoD vers is 360, Mop agi is 377 and agi still scales higher than vers unless you have less than 5% vers
versed fulcrum
coarse quiver
@hushed lion what's your gear look like
hushed lion
@coarse quiver like what do you mean? i got a gem on belt
coarse quiver
which legos are you using to get your sim
hushed lion
sephuz wrist
coarse quiver
I've been simming all day but I can't get my sim to break 6k again lol
sage viper
Could be better if I didn't vendor all shoulders 😦
coarse quiver
oh fuck I'm an idiot. I thought your thing was a screenshot Legio
not the link itself
nevermind me
pallid quarry
yo guys what are you running for m+? Is mantle still good there or should I try something like sephuz/belt?
frigid sleet
since you're suposed to triple garrote during mantle window it kinda defeat the purpose of using it
potent lintel
So basically for rotaiton if youre using subter you wanna use initial garote to get buffed from stealth. Wait for garrote to fall off then use vanish and buff garrote again?
tropic talon
don't need to wait
nimble tartan
have most of the good legendary combos within like 0.1-0.5%
so reallly u can just play whatever in fights
sage viper
I did it different. My opener was like: Garrote, Mut, Rupture. Vendetta, TB, Mut , Envenom, Vanish+Garrote then mut envenom spam.
frigid sleet
what did I do to deserve prydaz as a bis leg by far
sacred latch
Do you spam Blindside at <30% hp, or keep going with mutilate and using blindside procs?
cursive dagger
Anyone know good WA packs that are working right now
potent lintel
why TB after vandettta?
sacred latch
I assume blindside spam since its much higher DPE, though offset by lower cp generation
strange python
Hey so what specs should you take on assassination rn?
ebon bramble
the assassination spec?
nocturne gate
@potent lintel tb buffed from vendetta
strange python
oh yeah talents
pale scroll
@hasty idol what other lego would make you sim higher then the shoulder
strange python
mb
civic palm
~ CHECK THE PINS ~
sage viper
bracer
whole canyon
Tried crimson tempest in higher dungeon, it's neat! Thx guys for recommendation. Did 10% of overall damage.
sage viper
since using the first global for garrote during the crit window is bad(seems bad)
whole canyon
Also, idk if M+ is overall easier now, got 18 +2, super hyped. Demon Hunter had 50% of his total damage only done with eye beam and he did almost twice as any other dps.
trail hound
Prolonged power or potion of old war?
jovial vault
potent lintel
So why not use vandetta in the opener to buff garrote rupture and TB/
civic palm
GCD.
dry vale
does the master assassin talent not give the crit buff yet?
civic palm
Though you could Vendetta > Garrote > MUT > RUP if you are using Subterfuge and still get the bonus.
But that feels gigaCancer.
lone junco
yeah, there is still an energy return buff from vendetta. we dont want to use it at full E.
lone junco
and the circle jerk to use at open previously only applied in the short vendetta cd ranges.
civic palm
Correcto.
lone junco
2mins apart is really far.
civic palm
Extremely.
lone junco
w/r/t 3 sec
civic palm
weight/range/thickness 3 seconds.
lone junco
with respect to
pallid quarry
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u8ifD7TRtN2bYWvdWdrxRX my highest sim, I think my haste is way too low
civic palm
Subaru W/R/T
dark crag
saving all that haste gear comes in handy
dark crag
i did sub today, tomorrow is assa
lean coral
blazing tulip
Hi.... I checked the latest guide, and it advises to get blindside, but simulating EP seems to be better
pallid quarry
ah yea, gonna try out how sephuz goes
fleet whale
I've reached up to 24% haste with food buff
well, it might be 25% soon with the Nelf buff
next bay
I like blindside but I still dunno.
dark crag
i have almost the same gear like omr
sage viper
I'm at 18.5 i think and already capping energy during bloodlust
fleet whale
I wish they would make blindside baseline
next bay
Yea, not like we have too many buttons to press.
blazing tulip
I didnt raid yeet today... im at 22% haste, what are you guys pulling with BS?
next bay
I was agreeing haha. Just saying it'd feel nice to have more to do.
sage viper
but you'll have to overwrite the ep buff...or cap energy...witch both feel bad
fleet whale
idc about that
I would rather have a spec that won't feel like watching paint dry at early gear levels
pallid quarry
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uojZ5ViMDZX5uVaEErESmQ EP is even better now because mastery went down
btw. does it sim the sephuz with or without proc?
fiery sage
wow simmed erlier today i simmed 6,2k and now only 6k nd i havent changed any xD
fleet whale
but yeah, switching to ep gives me like a 200 dps increase
sage viper
but I think simc never overwrites the ep buff... not 100% sure
pallid quarry
MP is just good with high mastery but blindside simmed like -30k for me
trail hound
so sephuz is over insignia for most of you?
limpid solstice
hey whats the reason for running Scourgewing > Shadow-Singed
is it just proc time?
spare cloud
Sim
limpid solstice
got it cheers
jovial vault
gusty plinth
Scourge broken
pallid quarry
I think its just because the damage of the scourgewing isnt perfectly scaled
prisma coral
whole spec feels like dog shit to play
exotic glen
@safe matrix
limpid solstice
LOL
civic palm
O _O
safe matrix
???????????//
sage viper
try sub. sub is FUN Kappa
late sparrow
neck enchant?
safe matrix
what dms ._.
sage viper
wraith dragon
yeah also ended up with sephuz 
rancid palm
i sim lower with sephuz vs insignia 
civic palm
At least you're not Enhancment O _O
wraith dragon
Also, Melandrus op
limpid solstice
kek
pallid notch
is there a more efficient way to sim legendries than top gear in raidbots?
median notch
well energy regen feels really good. spec is simplified ok but i always have energy to press stuff well on the dummy at least with 2/2/1/0/0/2/1
and 30% haste atm
strange python
totally not because of tier 21 eh?
civic palm
NAH O _O
noble gyro
Gave away and passed on all the scourgewing trinkets feelsbad
strange python
pre patch anyway, not much matters.
noble gyro
yeah
strange python
but if you vendored one you could item restore it.
small pendant
would ring from cos increased autoattack dmg be better now i wonder lol
strange python
oh yeah. it's really good.
leaden elk
small pendant
yeah since my top dmg is envenom DP and attack lol
small pendant
i tried moroes trinket wasn't as good as i thought
haste and bleed build doesn't effect that trinket so gay
is 33%crit/29%haste/51%mastery sound okay
exotic fractal
I cant get over 11% haste so you got that up on me.
small pendant
i kept gear like for a month now just incase
median notch
still too much mastery i think
small pendant
i need better boots and neck tho
median notch
i got 26% atm and dstill sims very low
small pendant
so that fok cloak build not that good i take it
median notch
yeah idd
unreal coyote
am i dreaming or didnt rogues have some form of raid buff/debuff before
that didnt make it to now
or am i having a mandela effect moment
unreal coyote
only monks have it'?
loud fossil
yea
jovial vault
deep beacon
just makes the spec a bit more boring lol 😃
sacred latch
Because of the way t21 interacts with EP yea?
strange python
do i use Crimson Tempest on ST if i have it talented?
spice sorrel
so is cloak no longer pulling ahead if you go that route?
loud fossil
not since hotfix
unreal coyote
no more cloak
spice sorrel
insig and what then?
trail hound
sephuz over insignia now?
civic palm
unreal coyote
^
pallid trout
is raidbots updated with changes?
deep beacon
Also keep in mind that everything is subject to change so for the next few weeks it's probably better to just get used to stuff, try this try that, rather then being overly concerned with it all 😃
dusty roost
@pallid trout yes
warm beacon
what's the stat priority now?
orchid cove
whats the deal with the darkmoonfaire healer trinket ? all the logs are using that now
noble gyro
Raidbots is updated under SimC Version - Nightly
limpid solstice
next bay
Hm, so every guide seems to suggest you only use blindside on procs, not in execute range? Or is that just supposed to be obvious.
rose bluff
mark of the claw is the best for neck?
daring cave
So I looked at the pin. Seems insig and shoulder or bracers now?. That's what I was currently running. Just wanted to make sure
deep beacon
@next bay The reason is that blindside only gives 1 CP for 30 energy. Mutilate is 2 CP for 50. The extra damage is meh.
placid elbow
Raven is better than Sephuz?
civic palm
Does it SIM that way for you?
granite sapphire
best I could do with all I had
hollow robin
When simming, how many trinkets do people use generally? 0?
civic palm
0
civic palm
or up to 5, but that's especially inconsistent in prepatch as people might be removing it for other things.
hollow robin
Have no clue how people get to 6.5
granite sapphire
I started with 5.6
civic palm
Item level and 25+% Haste.
next bay
@deep beacon Figured it was something along those lines, thank you.
hollow robin
Im at 25% haste exactly, and 247 is the highest i can bump ilvl with current pieces
strange python
try the top gear sim.
granite sapphire
I heard somewhere that tempered egg ius supposed to be crazy good
I had one from weekly cache but don't anymore for obvious reasons
civic palm
Also if people are simming belt they are getting another 200dps or so.
placid elbow
Belt over?
civic palm
Nothing, belt does not generate realistic results.
granite sapphire
thnink the point of belt is to get a phat lust
deep beacon
You can restore items with Item Restore from a while back
granite sapphire
since we get a lot out of lust now
so it would probably be worth on bosses where you lust on pull
but not others
civic palm
Also Serol, your Mastery is very very low, dunno what the high SIMs are sitting at that you were looking at.
Even Mastery isn't "good", losing a ton of it will result in lower DPS.
granite sapphire
Only mastery on my gear is from tier
drifting light
Omg, my weak auras exploded
exotic valve
i hope so
placid elbow
ALL THE BUFFS
civic palm
Also @hollow robin some of the SIM reports posting higher than yours have 1-5% less mastery but 10% more crit.
placid elbow
Is Ravenholdt pulling more DPS than Sephuz?
civic palm
Depends on your SIMs.
placid elbow
I'd sim but i don't have any of them lol
strange python
is the weapon ilvl the reason my sim is treated so insanely low für my usual gear ?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bV15wDFEU2EARgdMJHxseB
placid elbow
well actually lemme uhh
strange python
im actually 252 ilvl in this equip not 243 😮
civic palm
Could be an import error?
strange python
i just import from simc ingame, no armory import
cant see my "real " dps then which sucks 😄
fast nacelle
yes
worn magnet
is blindside good at all right now?
fast nacelle
no
but i fear to talk since @supple hearth might insult my rogues for wearing original t6
again..
lilac lily
How much damage are you guys getting from Mark of the Hidden Satyr?
fast nacelle
0.8-1.3%
supple hearth
So I had an addon or a WA or something that showed my bleeds and poisons on the nameplate of enemies. When the prepat ch happened all of a sudden it went away. Idk if it was a base wow interface setting or something that didnt xfer over any thoughts as to what it was
strange python
tidy plates is pretty good and someone posted an update for it already
or use threatplates now they are 100% 8.0 ready
and track bleeds / dots from you
worn magnet
also why is insignia good right now?
fast nacelle
i switched from tidyplates to bd nameplates and just enabled garrote and rupture
supple hearth
idk if tidy is it
fast nacelle
tidyplates however is cool too. has better casting/focus highlight aswell but its outdated as fuck
strange python
@worn magnet sim yourself for me sephuz / argus ring is better but it has really really good stats
@supple hearth my tidy plates was buggy/ not working on enemy nameplates today
fast nacelle
if you dont use threat plates but tidy plates itself go in the main menu and watch out for whitelist @supple hearth
not sure if it is doable with wa aswell but in tidyplates its easy to only let you show debuffs you want to track
supple hearth
so threatplates is the go to then? Also ur image didnt post
strange python
if that is for you @supple hearth
the imgur works
just not the prewiev for some reason
*preview
supple hearth
oh okay. yeah thats what im looking for
nocturne gate
i like plater
supple hearth
idk what broke when prepatch came must have been tidy plates maybe
strange python
yeah tidy plates broke for me too but there was a fix already posted today
supple hearth
oh okay i will have to grab it then tysm everyone
strange python
is there a way to manually correct the ilvl of the weapon on sim since it doesnt take my real one?
lilac lily
So, Draenic Versatility Potion gives 368 Versatility for 25 seconds, according to my stat weights thats better than prolonged power, lul
zealous lily
i swapped to threatplates because tidyplates is busted
i haven't configured it yet to my liking
deep beacon
Nameplate cooldowns is not updated yet
Kuinameplates was updated though butnot sure about the other one at this point
strange python
@lilac lily Virmens Bite gives 377 agility for 25s
pandaria pre pot
i got some draenic + panda pre pots but i think theyll get nerfed / fixxed like belt buckle today
deep beacon
Kui is great. Best one I have used for a few reasons
lilac lily
Dang, time to make some Virmen's bite then
strange python
yeah i got mine too, if you did it you keep it but you cant get it anymore now
chilly aurora
worth noting that virmen's bite takes you out of stealth so be careful if you're using nightstalker or mantle
deep beacon
Do you guys pay for raidbots it tempting lol
strange python
i got a premium acc yeah
its amazing
i did like 100 ish diffrent things today and not having to wait is pretty neat
exotic fractal
someone help, im retarded and simc is giving me totally different numbers from raidbots, yea im using nightly version for both
vivid hill
whats the difference between the 3 dps iterations
strange python
@vivid hill what do you mean?
@exotic fractal is the diffrence a lot or super small? could be variance from iterations
vivid hill
@strange python it says rare/heirloom/epic
cloud frigate
which insignia is good
tranquil prism
so basicly u got to keep elaborate up as long as posible ?
cloud frigate
raven or the one from antorrus
strange python
@cloud frigate sim yourself, for me sephuz and argus insignia are best
just all 3 rings have really good stats and depending what you have in sec stats youll see it in sims what yours is
@vivid hill sry i only use raidbots no idea what you mean there D:
tfw I got world 55 parse on garothi heroic, and in the same run a ret pally got #1 parse doing 11.3k dps
lilac lily
I did heroic Garothi and during Apocalypse drive both weapons died at the same time
We had nothing to attack on the second apocalypse drive, weird af
lunar coral
is cini simming correctly? it's way better than insig or anything else for me...
strange python
@lunar coral no belt isnt really correct id avoid it
its heavily dependant on your raid comp as well
lunar coral
kk ty
deep beacon
I seem to sim so low compared t those like 15 or so ilevels higher. Is that normal? I guess so lol
Also seems like 300 or so dps lower than yesterday lol
strange python
@deep beacon insignia was fixxed and a few other things like hb/ cloak interaction
also my weapon for example is way too low in some sims maybe for you too?
deep beacon
Ok that might be it but now i can't cut 5000 at 235. Sad day probably accurate though I suppose 😃
I switched up to mantle from sephuz that shot it up a bit
If we use mantle on a ST pull, do we still use it on ruptures since ill prob use subterfuge or continue using vanish on garrotes
Oh well can test it out 😃
plucky raft
So are stats priorities is agl, haste, crit, mastery now
deep beacon
Geez
I switched the egg from EOA 220 to a seeping scourgewing and that shot it up about 200 dps lol
I guess they fixed/nerfed the egg lol
forest grotto
pretty sure the adds from the egg just die to everything
frigid sleet
did you tried EP ?
placid elbow
EP?
lilac lily
Elaborate Planing
slim estuary
elaborate planning
placid elbow
ooo, is that the preferred first talent?
civic palm
Read the Pins?
fringe ginkgo
Temporary fix for garrison mission manager:
https://pastebin.com/SUMxPZbR
slim estuary
@frigid sleet sim is equal to waht im using now
supple hearth
@placid elbow "preferred" or best is subject to change. Especially since we are in tuning mode. Pins usually have the most recent information.
frigid sleet
prolly cause you look like you stil have tons of mastery
slim estuary
i do 😦 its the best gear for me though based on sims
placid elbow
preferred as in what is preferred at the time being :), it's all subject to change especially since we dunno what Blizz might be doing with more fixes incoming
sudden brook
yo assa feels so much more fun with blindside and this much haste lol
strange python
How much haste do you have?
sudden brook
22%
placid elbow
can't even break 10% lmao
slim estuary
13%
sudden brook
35% mastery :^)
strange python
Yeahh when I was raiding on pk last night I felt like I had no time to breath lol
sudden brook
yeah, tier + this much haste feels like
no longer waiting for mutliates its great
im having a lot of fun at least
strange python
With blindside hitting a lot of the time
I'm at 25% crit 17% haste and 59% mastery
Rip
limpid solstice
36 / 21 / 44 / 11 😦
strange python
I think of mastery as the legion haste the lower it goes the better my build LOL but I think that's just me
sudden brook
its not like legion where mastery is like >>>> to agi
plush oasis
I feel like Cindaria is simming higher than it should.
sudden brook
haste is just the best, its not insane
unkempt phoenix
Does the sim include the dumb belt buckle xd
plush oasis
No.
frigid sleet
worst thing is mastery is a good stats for AoE so finding a good setup for m+ is kinda aids
strange python
^^
fleet whale
your gonna have to have two gear-sets then
frigid sleet
you cant
plush oasis
Cindy is simming as my best lego replacement for shoulders, but I don't understand why. The stats are not great and it's effect is useless for everything after the first 5-10 seconds of the fight.
fleet whale
Why not?
frigid sleet
I mean you cant swap gear during m+ anymore
strange python
Sure you can just wear both sets at the same time ROFL
fleet whale
use the mastery/aoe gearset when it's fortified or if the dungeon has hard trash
strange python
/sigh
fleet whale
use your st gear if it's tyrannical
mental vessel
wish u could wear 3 leggos
strange python
You can
strange python
If you have amunthul trink
mental vessel
never heard of it
void remnant
never drops that shit dodo
mental vessel
figures lmao
plush oasis
Vaenum Cindy is broken in the sim?
quartz dew
I have it on my rogue, was a 4% downgrade on Monday, now it's only a 0.1% downgrade! Yay for forgetting to relog warlock on argus
plush oasis
I can't feelycraft it because the target dummy too stronk.
sudden brook
u cant gear swap, but trash is more important in M+ usually
ur just gonna have a "m+ set"
depends on the week more realistically
placid elbow
@plush oasis , yes. It is doing 200dps more than it should. Do not use the belt to sim right now.
frigid sleet
with subterfuge ?
plush oasis
Thank you. I thought something was off.
strange python
ns
So I'm gonna have to grind for azorite armor and pray to god all pieces have the traits I need for each of these single/raid/multi targets
frigid sleet
well yea, NS is vanish rupture, subterfuge is vanish garrote
strange python
but shoulders xd
frigid sleet
shrug
fringe ginkgo
What was the pally bug about again?
strange python
darkmoon card is reducing cost of holy power spenders
quartz dew
darkmoon promises makes their stuff free
acoustic heron
spare cloud
crit haste
rapid hound
Stats
spare cloud
and extra dmg
supple hearth
It's utility. Use it if u need the shield
strange python
well the herodamage sims have insignia overvalued and everyone probably just copied that
even with the fix it's still a decent item
plush oasis
Wouldn't prydaz or the pants be better if we're going for stats?
civic palm
I mean it's not JUST stats.
rapid hound
It's some free damage
plush oasis
True enough.
sudden vale
Hey so we only use blindside if a free one procs? Even if target below 30%?
arctic venture
!trinkets
chrome tuskBOT
List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
bronze juniper
where can I find info on the best Sin PvP talents?
strange python
@potent lintel the 7.5k log was with the old cloak + hb interaction.
potent lintel
Damn really?
so everyones logs gets messed up becaue of it
im parsing blue and green
strange python
well not everyone's. check the legendaries.
potent lintel
what you mean
strange python
there are very few logs with the old cloak + hb interaction
mostly cause the servers were shite
tidal gorge
Been busy IRL... I see tons of people posting sims - what's considered a "good" sim for single target for 11/11M gear at this point?
ivory storm
probably around 6-6.3k
potent lintel
Right but they still get counted for parse wise
tidal gorge
kk, thanks. Got my sim up to 6.3kish mixing up some gear so I'll consider that good
potent lintel
what was the old cloak +HB glitch
zenith plank
is subterfuge just for garrote and thats it, like thre is no point for other abilites?
eternal bluff
dumb question, but where can I find a sim for 8.0
pallid quarry
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jnJuRdoTCgb6hVrj75nRwa don't know if I could squezze out abit more dps somehow
I feel like 6.1k is pretty low compared to the other sims. My guildie does have like 300 more dps with equal ilvl
nocturne gate
wit 253 im simmin 6.3k with highest shit insig+belt
pallid quarry
Yea it's probably that, my items are like really bad. Most off-pieces don't even have haste
reef axle
shoulders ring the new temp meta over execute bracera?
placid elbow
it's adding about 200dps more than it should
pallid quarry
your talents are completly wrong
pallid quarry
is that pinned somewhere @placid elbow?
eternal bluff
ROFL @pallid quarry thanks for pointing that out. I was moving my talents around to test something to prep leveling in BfA
civic palm
The belt thing? It's a known issue and its unreliable output is the reason it's not on the default combinator outputs on HeroDamage.
placid elbow
^
potent lintel
hmm soul of the shadow blade does best DPS for me. Combine Vigor with Mark of the death
civic palm
Depends, but that's what it looked like earlier.
steep obsidian
is the ep graphic new or am i just blind and never noticedit before
civic palm
Blind.
steep obsidian
😦
civic palm
Is it still the very vanilla mage-looking buff animation?
Dampen Magic or w/e it was called.
cosmic pier
any weakauras for dot tracking been updated yet? i had to delete ipse's one was throwing too many errors
eternal bluff
I just have no shoulders or bracers to test taking off those legendaries
steep obsidian
is what i meant
like i feel like i should have noticed that before coz ive specced ep a little
but maybe i am just blind
steep obsidian
hmm
civic palm
It's a stupid animation for a Rogue.
undone nova
do we not have surge of toxins anymore?
civic palm
No.
potent lintel
Has anyone tried simming specter of betrayal
civic palm
It was a weapon trait.
undone nova
ok thx
strange python
that serpentrix trinket looks underwhelming in the one log I saw that someone had it
plush oasis
So why is Seeping Scourgewing so powerful now?
strange python
maybe he just got unlucky with procs
civic palm
Procs.
fleet whale
what's more annoying than the ep animation is the sound it makes
civic palm
Serpentix has the issue with the little doods needing to live to deal daamge.
leaden bloom
any other nerfs yet?
civic palm
Scourgewing is just proc damage.
steep obsidian
you are right maybe its just dx12 makes it more obvious on my machine 😦
fleet whale
speaking of scourgewing it is amazing in pvp atm
civic palm
Mmmaybe.
cerulean sleet
is the cloak hb build good for m+
strange python
nah.
cerulean sleet
cool thanks
drifting cosmos
feels good on burst
strange python
i've been running mfd + ct and it seems to be good.
fleet whale
have it updated where it uses the same effects as FoK
fleet whale
but it actually shows the PC slashing around, and not using whirlwind
eternal bluff
fixed it the best I can with the gear I have
silk sundial
CT gets the nightstalker buff? That sounds nice
nimble tartan
4p 2p was a sizeable loss for me in any combo i set up
silk sundial
What is crucible?
nimble tartan
well raidbots gets it earlier don't they ive been simming setups the last couple hours
civic palm
Free ring from Argus.
nimble tartan
crucible ring was one of the worst for my gear as well
cosmic pier
what have been trying in m+? i was using sephuz + (shoulders + moonglaives) and it felt pretty decent
nimble tartan
idk what baseline they have for gear but idk at 250 my sims dont reflect that at all
civic palm
Yeah I think the default set is lower.
nimble tartan
ill do it again for good measure rn
civic palm
You are right though, SIMc Nightly was up earlier than this.
So nothing SHOULD have changed.
nocturne gate
s1 used smartsim and can tell how good it is to use for topgear sims ?!
nimble tartan
ye any combo with 2p 4p was instanty like 200 dps lower for me
with base mythic 2p t20
cosmic pier
why does hero damage have cinidaris unticked by default? is it not simming properly?
*cinidaria
nimble tartan
this has happened before for t21
with cini sims just beating everything out
and then u know that never was the go to
harsh goblet
noob rogue question
harsh goblet
is there any benefit to pooling energy in a standard ST rotation for ass.
aside from
civic palm
Not letting bleeds fall during Toxic Blade window.
harsh goblet
switching targets
civic palm
Keeping up longer strings of EP.
strange python
Atm we have so much haste and crit and tier 21 energy is just pouring out of our asses.
harsh goblet
oh i boosted for BfA
civic palm
21*
civic palm
Things are very different for new characters.
harsh goblet
ive played a lot of feral though
civic palm
Same kinda idea from when Feral still had traits.
You wanna get that bleed proc ASAP, and you need NRG pooling to get there.
Just with SIN you want as many Envenoms during Toxic Blade.
and -now- as much Elaborate Planning uptime as possible.
civic palm
Yeah, we use Finishers @ 4.
Rupture has linear damage scaling, using it @ 4 losing you time and not DMG.
harsh goblet
hmmmmmmm
civic palm
You lose DMG on Envenom, but more DMG is lost not comboing them inside TB or EP.
harsh goblet
ok thats interesting
ok im currently running blindside is EP better atm
im 3212221
civic palm
Given your gear I've no idea what ends up being better for you atm.
harsh goblet
fair
prob EP thinking about it for leveling
its not like im gonna be raiding
atm
on this toon
strange python
prob not ep since you can barely keep it up with low gear
reef axle
13 percent haste what numbers we lookin to be around :d
civic palm
that and of all the first row talents, Blindside scales from nothing.
While you need scaling for MP and EP to compete.
harsh goblet
ok cool thanks for the help
I just dont think I can handle sitting on my hands as feral anymore
civic palm
Sure sure.
ornate gazelle
xD
wise frigate
Insignia of the Grand Army.
ornate gazelle
word
stray pumice
What % of haste are we aiming for?
sudden brook
sim urself
smoky bluff
civic palm
Too much Mastery =\
reef axle
why is that damn egg simming so high xD?
quick ice
haste good
civic palm
Sounds like it's not practical though, as the little nerds don't live through anything.
serene plaza
yeah I tried egg and it didnt go well at all
jovial kite
For me, haste breakpoint is around 27%
thats when crit became better
Im at 49 crit 27 haste 38 mastery and 8 versa
And crit haste and agi are all within 0.05 value per point of eachother
main monolith
my stats? need versa y.y
sharp idol
jovial vault
haste is still top
gleaming geyser
haste still king
jovial kite
20 pantheon 
civic palm
snooze
gleaming geyser
LUL
jovial kite
I gotta say assa is really strong right now
civic palm
Yeah we still have large stats.
Not so say we're not decent @ 120, but we need stats pretty bad.
civic palm
Of course.
jovial kite
Outlaw burst with ks is fucking top though
Hard to beat it on ahc portalkeeper and eonar
civic palm
I do think that this is a good sign that while Blindside might be good at the beginning of the expansion, EP will win later.
jovial kite
But strict st and 2-3t cleave nobody stood a chance
cosmic pier
im so haste starved https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tJLvx57xo4WuS4W6N4Xzh2
funny that after minimising haste for the last 6 months
cosmic pier
i was a monster pre patch 😦
potent lintel
Yall should try soul ring for rogues. Gives you an additional talent along with vigor
civic palm
47 crit and 18 haste is fine > _>
potent lintel
sims pretty good with me
main monolith
ravenhold + mantle u ravenhold +bracer? what is best?
cosmic pier
now my gear is poop
civic palm
~ READ THE PINS ~
jovial kite
cosmic pier
also cant use my pride and joy anymore 😦
jovial kite
Dunno why vari and coven and imonar not refreshed
Got r1 there too
🤔
lost to our otl on kinga 😦
civic palm
=\
jovial kite
Ks fullstack on add just wrecks
civic palm
Yep.
cosmic pier
just stuck my head into the sub channel, big yikes on the bugs
hollow gyro
Call my stupid but what is the "crucible" legendary listed on herodamage?
civic palm
Grand Army ring
hollow gyro
ahh
lone junco
rogues in dresses.
cosmic pier
still havent got the matching belt FeelsBadMan
lone junco
shoulders are cool. i dont think i have those
cosmic pier
rep ones from valsharah i think
cosmic pier
ypup you can just buy these ones http://www.wowhead.com/item=139596/pauldrons-of-entwined-roots
lone junco
kid helps me pick mine.
cosmic pier
really sells the fake druid look 😛
jovial kite
Looks like only imonar and coven r1s stuck
lone junco
im exalted with dreamweavers. i guess i can just buy thm
figured you would do well on coven.
naive scarab
how's blindside compared to mp atm? I honestly want it to edge out better than mp because it adds an extra fun layer and i love having the execution
naive scarab
yeah simming it on raidbots its coming out a whopping 2.7% behind mp
tahst substantial
naive scarab
Question about vanish with mantle... are ya'll vanish > envenom or vanish > rupture?
civic palm
👌
lone junco
jovial kite
gotta love the melee dmg