@safe crescent It is, because your gear is what matters to your character
#assassination
copper sinew
junior flume
Aw ๐ฆ
civic palm
Best for me.
safe crescent
Not too bothered about my char
weak isle
wait lemme re-sim
safe crescent
Wanna know if the spec is decent but won't know until 120 I guess.
civic palm
mantle/bracers + RH
potent lintel
Does shadow damage of insignia ring buff the scourgewing trinket?
rotund pier
mantle bracers sims highest for me too
silk sundial
Are CT and PB effected by the bracers?
rotund pier
well belt/insig acutally but i dont trust belt sims
civic palm
PB is not a poison
copper sinew
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5gjpHhMVQhMS8eDUV5XowE
So this is a sim of all the equipment I have using 2210022
tough lantern
what's wrong with belt sims?
civic palm
Stop simming belt O _O
tough lantern
should it be ignored?
ripe nimbus
Brb going to sim the belt
silk sundial
Is CT affected since it's a bleed?
obtuse garnet
my highest sim with new nightly https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hRjZ4hwhi3JHmKrsoYEeW1
solar willow
is it only my TB WA broken?
civic palm
Probably.
weak isle
6.4 ๐ฎ
civic palm
Did you remake it?
ripe nimbus
I hate how Subterfuge keeps stealth bar active for 3 seconds i feel like they could of handled the mechanic a better way.. had to redo my entire UI just for Subterfuge
Kms
civic palm
Yeah like having an entirely different, stance bar, for stealth abilities O_O
weak isle
lmao
tough lantern
lmao
weak isle
sephus mantle sims highest for me xD
silk sundial
How do you Sim for legendaries that you don't currently have in your bag?
weak isle
top gear
silk sundial
I meant that you don't own.
weak isle
you can't
civic palm
Yeah, Gear Compare... like I said O _O
silk sundial
Thank you
uneven summit
MP-NS-TB-PB with haste/mastery, isignia/shoulders seems amazing
solar willow
why is Tempered Egg of Serpentrix simming so high
civic palm
cuz Haste
waxen arch
finally got the mantle from lfr :p now I have all the good ones..
solar willow
gratz you can try doing normal now
waxen arch
yeah
gilded igloo
Anyone here have good information on class adjustments for pre patch ? I have 30 minutes till I can leave work and go test changes. I have used the website to gather information before but not the discord. As far as I can tell this is primarily pve but Iโm here to apply what I can to my gameplay. Thanks
civic palm
~ CHECK THE PINS - CHECK THE PINS - CHECK THE PINS ~
smoky bluff
@gilded igloo indeed, check the pinned messages for relevant information
gilded igloo
I looked and was curious why 3 for first talent over master poisoner ?
weak isle
mastery is lower prio
potent lintel
because you have shoulder
gilded igloo
In PvP that doesnโt matter any advice based on predetermined stats in arena ?
smoky bluff
simulations show that mastery is low, VERY low in wieghts
verbal saddle
someone got a WA for garrote that works atm and shows if its used during subterfuge?
smoky bluff
sim you character first tho
uneven summit
anybody tried insig with Blindside?
sweet rampart
sim is saying insignia of the grand army is better than insignia of raven?
copper sinew
@uneven summit Simmed worse.
ripe nimbus
With garrote being such a low CD now is it worth to use of at 4 CP to get to 5CP?
Even if it's not time to refresh
tough lantern
is the first hit from CT bleed or just physical?
copper sinew
@ripe nimbus No, spend at 4
green belfry
hmm for my stats the m+ 18 with mp ns MFD and CT (belt, insignia) was worse than the nerfed HB/cloak combo.
severe perch
When I am hovering above the Haste stat its says (Against current target) what does it mean? Is it the posion?
civic palm
no, cost for Garrote is still too high.
gleaming dragon
Do you run the pre patch talents or the one above? Speaking of the guide
copper sinew
@gusty plinth Zero damage? What did you smoke? ๐
steep citrus
is there a way to definitively know from spell id or something that it's a buffed garrote? i've always just used how recently vanish was used to figure it out
old quartz
belt sims are unrealistic and you lose a solid chunk of dps when the target is below 90% which happens in about 5 seconds of a boss fight
uneven summit
i canยดt find the insig dmg on my meters either tbh =/
gusty plinth
@copper sinew diidnt smoke anything like i said zero dmg
uneven summit
Might be a sim-bug?
vapid moth
why am i consistenly hitting lower than what i sim for
uneven summit
thatยดs what i mean
quaint sequoia
trained solider or satyr on neck?
copper sinew
@gusty plinth Well, 15% more damage for ST generators doesn't sound too bad, does it? Mutilate + Toxic Blade (+ Blindside if you use it) are affected
old quartz
satyr
copper sinew
Plus the stats are bonkers
@quaint sequoia Both sim really close, depends on the rest of your gear -> Sim Yo Self ๐
strange python
do you have logs Xae? otherwise we don't know anymore than you do.
vapid moth
no :/
spare cloud
At least he tells people in advance
solid nova
@vapid moth Is this within a raid environment or?
spare cloud
so they know what to expect from him
tropic talon
can anyone take a min to explain subterfuge garrote to me, i always used NS, its buffed out of stealth, and you re-apply buffed with vanish? is that it?
civic palm
Buffed within the 3 second window.
copper sinew
@tropic talon Yep, you refresh with 6 seconds remaining using Vanish
obtuse garnet
and dont reapply a buffed garrote
civic palm
and just remake your out of stealth bar in stealth.
tired gull
๐
azure bridge
do u 2x garrote for pandemic or just one
copper sinew
@azure bridge What do you mean?
azure bridge
well in the subterfuge window, if you garrote a second time it lasts longer ye?
junior flume
Double garrote in stealth i gues would give a longer empored garrote
civic palm
During the opener you are refreshing Garrote during the final 6 seconds.
acoustic flame
How much are u guys simming in outlaw compared to assa?
copper sinew
@azure bridge Yes, but you don't Garrote twice following each other
junior flume
empowered... god spelling
tropic talon
1k less
acoustic flame
My outlaw sims like 1k less
ok so i'm not the only one
was wondering if my outlaw gear was that bad
azure bridge
ye alright, was just wondering cause i havent played subterfuge in awhile
copper sinew
@azure bridge Basically always refresh with 6s remaining, with Vanish if it's off cd, and don't refresh a Vanished Garrote
sweet rampart
is there a guide at all that has the non HB/cloak stuff?
civic palm
The currently titled guide does.
IIRC there were conditionals for using Cloak/FoK.
Just don't follow them.
junior flume
You don't refresh the opening garrote though do you? Seeing a that's empowered from the stealth.
copper sinew
@junior flume You do
vapid moth
@solid nova it was on the dummies.
copper sinew
@vapid moth Did you get Heroism/Bloodlust/Drums?
civic palm
Opener Garrote is refreshed with Stealth gained from Vanish.
junior flume
Ahh yea of couse
civic palm
so it is continued to be Empowered from Subterfuge.
junior flume
Makes sense
solid nova
@vapid moth So youre missing, pots, flask, food, lust, other external buffs
steep citrus
you do, but doing it at 6s isn't that important. just before it drops. you want to refresh regular ones at 6s though
solid nova
Which is why you wont be getting close
vapid moth
sims really include all those?
steep citrus
it's a wacky world we live in
tropic talon
unless you tell it not to
vapid moth
i find that stupid
solid nova
Yes as it always has done mate
copper sinew
@steep citrus Well it kinda is important doing it at 6, so that you get the maximum pandemic and have the highest possible uptime on empowered Garrote
vapid moth
that explains so much
steep citrus
if the first one is already empowered, as long as you do the next one from vanish anwhere in the pandemic window
it makes no difference
solid nova
Just manually exempt them and you'll be fine
steep citrus
but your point is valid when you are replacing a normal garrote with a buffed one
stone portal
is there a cap on haste?
copper sinew
@steep citrus Oh I thought you were talking about that scenario, sorry!
@steep citrus Refreshing the opening Garrote at 6 makes you use Vanish earlier leading to having it up once more if you are very, very lucky in terms of fight length - but yeah, edge case
tropic talon
vanish matters less without shoulders
steep citrus
true, but the most you can technically pandemic is 5.4 seconds. so you are wasting 0.6 seconds of buffed garrote
OH NO
twin prism
The logs
steep citrus
๐
twin prism
are so absolutely fucked
copper sinew
@tropic talon Doesn't mean it doesn't matter anymore ๐ But yeah, not worth discussing
tropic talon
Your right
empty tide
mine is doing sephuz over insig
strange python
So glad I got a SSW out of my mythic cache
weak isle
so IF you have shoulders leggo on, u still want to vanish only for garrote?
shoulders sim highest for me
or just like we used to
weak isle
that is a good question actually
tropic talon
For me it was negligable
weak isle
lemme sim that xd
tropic talon
40dps
copper sinew
Because if it's like 30 dps, just didge it, use Nightstalker and play like you used to I guess ^^
acoustic flame
was like 10dps difference for me lol
civic palm
With Mantle you would still Vanish ~> Env
then Garrote, MUT, ENV, etc.
tropic talon
prob depends on a lot
civic palm
Note the Empowered Garrote comes from a Garrote applied during the 3 second window after you have Vanished.
spice frost
which legendary combos are most of you guys simming highest after the hb/cloak nerf? insig and bracer/shoulder?
civic palm
So you have limited GCDs to apply it.
copper sinew
@civic palm Is that with Subterfuge or Nightstalker? ๐ Because with Nightstalker I would probably not use Garrote after Vanish I guess?
civic palm
SUB
copper sinew
@spice frost Strangely enough, still Cloak/Insignia ^^
civic palm
With NS if you are using Mantle you would ENV, otherwise you RUP after Vanish.
spice frost
with hb still?
icy iris
@spice frost i sim highest with belt/insignia
civic palm
Belt doesn't lead to accurate practical results, stop simming it.
civic palm
๐
weak isle
NS 10 dps difference
civic palm
ha
weak isle
xDD
obtuse garnet
highest sim mantle bracers with EP NS Vigor
civic palm
SUB is better then, due to being able to re-re-re-apply it on trash :3
weak isle
true
tropic talon
Trash KING
weak isle
so with mantle, you would vanish > env > garro> mut> rup
civic palm
There are value targets for it.
weak isle
something like that
civic palm
GAR > MUT or MUT > GAR if you can fit it.
weak isle
depending on ur rup time ofc
civic palm
GAR > MUT is 100% going to work though.
fast nacelle
sup ladies
civic palm
๐
fast nacelle
pb dmg so underwhelming.. average 2%
sweet rampart
vendetta before vanish?
weak isle
ye
tropic talon
If you don't take HB and TB, our rotation is 3 buttons + a CD?
acoustic flame
I'd rather have something else for single than pbomb tbh
civic palm
Unless they change some things around and it ends up doing more damage.
exotic venture
I just simmed everything in my bags, wrists/mantle still sim highest, it just had me swap out my vers/mast ring for my Melandrus ring and swap my belt/boots to haste/crit instead of what i have
vestal wren
pbomb still bis st
exotic venture
and gem all haste
civic palm
Sadly.
weak isle
Garrote โ Mutilate โ Mutilate โ Rupture โ Vendetta โ Toxic Blade - mut - van - garrot - mut - w/e
old ruin
civic palm
Do note the Vanish window is only when you are ready to reapply Garrote.
exotic venture
restive inlet
Insignia cinidaria
weak isle
so in opener you wont vanish till re aply of garrote?
civic palm
Was just rethinking that.
icy iris
@gleaming geyser I feel ya
leaden elk
do not use the belt, it's buggeed
icy iris
FeelsBadMan
civic palm
If you are using Mantle I'd use the normal opener.
weak isle
ye excluding kb
civic palm
and try to line them up back to back.
weak isle
never forget kb ๐ฆ
thick comet
scourgewing sims higher than some titanforged mastery stat stick i have now 
ripe nimbus
I've already forgotten about kb
weak isle
it filled my cp good
thick comet
get the simc addon
tropic talon
I use the addon, its just weird
strange python
been fine for me. except the artifact.
strange python
sephuz/bracers is my top. that's new.
spice frost
in raidbots my weapons read like 193/155 but they actually 254. known issue?
using /simc import
strange python
yeah.
merry pumice
can we macro blindside with mutilate so we dont need 1 extra bind?
copper sinew
@merry pumice Not well, no
merry pumice
aight ty!
strange python
just do like, shift + mutilate key.
copper sinew
@merry pumice
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift] Blindside; Mutilate
If you need that ^^
merry pumice
cheers!
proud gust
Do you guys think blindside will be viable at 120? It's like the only new button we got and the procs seem interesting. Hopefully the dmg is good
vestal wren
yes
copper sinew
@proud gust Nobody knows, but probably ^^
vestal wren
blindside sims highest for the row with 120
spare viper
Isn't your mini-guide for prepatch @vestal wren ?
ripe nimbus
With low stats blindside will be good just outta principal
spare viper
It says to take BS and PB
icy iris
one second i sim higher with double ring and another second i sim higher with mantle NotLikeThis
spare nebula
im simming highest with mantle and wrists because my offpieces are hot garbage
icy iris
xD
vestal wren
Rotation and Talent choice can be slightly diffrent in the pre-patch.```i did finally break 6k sim tho cause i realized relics were just ilvl increase now
:p
spare viper
All right, thx @vestal wren
narrow comet
i can't get above 5.8 with 247 ilevel hmm
icy iris
i sim 5,3k with 235
rare orchid
Dude whats up with the haste, what has changed
copper sinew
Bleed and Poison ticks are scaling with haste, read the pins.
vast mauve
civic palm
proven hemlock
Too obvious. Can't be right
ripe nimbus
If one more person says pins I'm gonna stab my self in the eye!
uneven summit
stab your self with the pins
ripe nimbus
proven hemlock
No. They'd be all bloody and nasty
ripe nimbus
civic palm
๐ก
proven hemlock
I was elected to lead, not to read.
midnight karma
guys
junior flume
With EP we what to keep that buff up as much as possible right? Even though it does overlay envenom quite a bit.
midnight karma
what is the best stat food buff for assas rogue
copper sinew
@junior flume Yes, while spending at 4 or 5
junior flume
Alright, that seems to work out pretty well. Just wanted to be sure that it wasn't a waste or something like that ^^
strange python
hey gamers, did I check the pins? what did I mean by this?
junior flume
It seems you can -almost- keep it up constantly
eternal salmon
did they hotfix the belt buckle?
midnight karma
is mastery is OP for assas rogues?
junior flume
Nope ^^
ripe nimbus
Yes now leave
civic palm
copper sinew
@junior flume Probably looking at 70 to 85%
@midnight karma Mastery and Versatility sim highest, go get it while it's hot
ripe nimbus
Let's just start saying yes to everyone who ask pin questions so they can move on with their life's
ripe nimbus
Yes
remote wing
Have to say at 11% hatse the flow of combat isn't as bad as I thought it would be
gilded oasis
Hello are there pins here
ripe nimbus
Do u have 4 pc?
copper sinew
@weak isle Parried?
weak isle
could be, would that still proc EP?
uneven summit
Insignia seems to be better on all sims, but just doesnยดt handle well in-game ๐
copper sinew
@weak isle I believe EP is applied once you cast, not when you hit
ripe nimbus
What do u mean handle well it does what it says
copper sinew
So yeah, m ight be
spice frost
not done simming, but rn sephuz and bracers seem to be highest for me
junior flume
I'm playing with Mantle and insignia, and it seems to be alright. Hard to keep up with sim results ofc
spice frost
so many differences between everyone, wtb easy button
copper sinew
@spice frost Wait till 4 weeks after the first raid is out on mythic difficulty and come back, everything's gonna be fine by then!
spare cloud
Impossible to keep up with sims
strange python
Hey guys, I just started the game, is this page good to read to help me learn it?
hexed dock
whats with that tempered egg sim is that for real?
civic palm
It's there... isn't it?
copper sinew
@hexed dock READ THE SIIIIIIIIIIIIIMS, HASTE SCALING
hexed dock
geez
copper sinew
All aboard the sticky train
smoky bluff
we are back to "check the pins" and "sim it/yourself" era
sacred citrus
we left that era?
chrome tuskBOT
How to sim yourself - guide: https://goo.gl/YACUkz
Download simulationcraft: https://simulationcraft.org/
Or use Raidbots: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot
gleaming geyser
copper sinew
Fun detected, must delete
brazen sky
junior flume
regarding simming and ingame dps. I simmed like this: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gWD4G5gHsf4Pt5VrTKQWTH
and did 5.1 on a almost exactly 3 min fight on garothi
exotic venture
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bBNgxXyfX8x7d4ePPcoP8D Anyone know why mantle/bracers still sim the highest for me lol
can't crack 6k and I see so many people at 6.5+ ๐ฆ
gleaming geyser
could be shit off pieces
copper sinew
Probably because it's the best combination with your off gear
exotic fractal
I cant even get over 5700 and im 248 :[
exotic venture
well i guess, I had almost no haste gear and came into prepatch with 5.2% haste lol
strange python
I have no haste gear, but got a scourgewing and I sim at 6.1k
exotic venture
29.5 crit, 22.5 haste and 61 mastery now. 6.25 vers
gleaming geyser
did you test shoulder ring yuffiex?
hollow gyro
Wasn't feeling good about my lack of haste. Feelin ok now ๐
strange python
Was optimized perfectly, had 2% haste in prepatch
junior flume
How much haste are you all rocking?
strange python
24% PepeHands
exotic fractal
11.5% haste
exotic venture
I tested both rings with mantle, I literally don't have a single other shoulderpiece on this toon lol
uneven summit
Anybody else get that 2210021 sims the same as 1110021 ? ๐
exotic fractal
is the best i can do lol
slow stag
7% PepeHands
junior flume
22% for me
exotic venture
my talents are also weird, they are literally the legion talents but SF instead of NS.
no HB sims even close, or EP
vestal wren
HB got fixed, its now meh
obtuse garnet
28% Haste
sacred citrus
Fuu is the sin guide updated for today?
exotic venture
ah, yeah I feel like I need to farm mythic shoulders or something, because mantle is not allowing me to get into the ring meta i think
I even checked item restore, I have just never looted a good shoulder ever because I didn't need one.
woven bane
why wont TB displayed in WA even if i used the corret ID?
vestal wren
i removed the HB talent from the suggested talents in the guide
so i guess you can say its updated
strange python
just go PB for ST
vapid moth
welp. im at the point where whats holding me back from better dps is lack of gear
amber sleet
https://gyazo.com/e4dbeb384ac02ee0097a1f05e729be91 working aswell btw
exotic fractal
whats the optimal legendary setup? I see a lot between insig/bracers vs. mantle/bracers
amber sleet
but prob still not worth cuz of only 25 sec.
exotic fractal
err, mantle/insig
strange python
I'm using insig/mantle but uh 
vapid moth
@amber sleet prolonged power is 113
midnight karma
mantle and bracer not viable?
amber sleet
yea
vapid moth
and the 25 seconds would be during your burst
amber sleet
but for 1 minute
vapid moth
so it might be worth it
thick comet
bracer and insig simmed the highest for me
vestal wren
simming is BIS for gear/talents
thick comet
"simmed the highest for me" being the key part of that phrase
amber sleet
fuu is https://gyazo.com/e4dbeb384ac02ee0097a1f05e729be91 enabled in sims?
@vestal wren
uneven summit
Mark of the Claw worth? maybe?
amber sleet
so i can test it out?
gleaming geyser
the MoP potion is better Auzi
amber sleet
name?
gleaming geyser
Virmen's Bite
vestal wren
i am not sure about legecy item support in simc
vestal wren
might ask in the simc discord
spice frost
sehpuz bracer is the best sim i can get. insig is about 40 below and cloak isnt even in the running even with hb talented
minor sequoia
Cinidaria belt/cloak and Cinidaria belt/ sephuz's are my highest sims
vapid moth
when simming sephuz does it take into account its ability?
gleaming geyser
no
spice frost
no idea
gleaming geyser
the buff doesnt show up in the sim result
vapid moth
cool
junior flume
Is it correct to just use TB on cd now that there's now kingsbane to pair it with, or am i doing it wrong? ๐
uneven summit
Mark of the Claw worth on neck?
vapid moth
so on some fights your dps could potentially be higher
plush crag
Anyone here that uses MfD?
patent sluice
lean hill
@junior flume we used TB on cooldown before prepatch
thick comet
hidden satyr sims 13 dps higher for me /shrug
minor sequoia
So basically the belt is shit? I hope it is cause i really dont wanna use it haha
copper sinew
@junior flume Yes
thick comet
big diff
junior flume
I always used it along with KB for the last 9 seconds of the KB debuff
copper sinew
@lean hill We could delay it for 5 seconds for KB though.
vapid moth
@minor sequoia belt conditions are the asame as always. depends on your raid
junior flume
Yea that's how i did it too ๐
lean hill
You would probably have had better results from on cooldown TBH
sweet rampart
should i just go ahead and buy the bracers? Or save my essences in case something gets changed?
gleaming geyser
buy archimondes trinket
exotic venture
i broke raidbots?
lean hill
you are number 1 rogue
copper sinew
1000 ilvl Sephuz
lean hill
what is your secret
vapid moth
i got 23k sims
lean hill
cheating is your secret, rogue credentials check out
thick comet
293 wow ๐
gleaming geyser
no im pretty sure his secret is sephuz
tranquil birch
people going satyr or claw on neck?
uneven summit
pssssst canยดt find it in pins psssssssy
vapid moth
im bored
weak crescent
Question, is something going on with cape+HB? says its supposed to do 36k dmg for me but does maybe 9? didnt know if this was supposed to be doing that or not
spare cloud
I cry a little
and go to offtopic
It was nerfed
because the scaling was dumb
its additive instead of multiplicative now
as far as i know
weak crescent
so tooltip wrong then?
spare cloud
Yes
vapid moth
welp. to pvp i go
spare cloud
Not updated
copper sinew
@tranquil birch Seriously, sim it. It's been on and off for me, about 30 DPS difference.
vapid moth
wonder how outlaw is,,,
tranquil birch
ight
weak crescent
kk thx for the answer!
vapid moth
agreed
wraith dragon
fishing for days
vapid moth
reminds me of sin 2 days ago
nimble barn
steep citrus
what are those lots of things? sinister, pistol, dispatch, bte
or you just mean faster?
thorn moth
yeah prob just faster
vapid moth
outlaw has 5 buttons to press. with 2 on cds
thorn moth
i dunno i like the between the eyes with bracers
and the blade rush is p cool
with a blade flurry
just a bunch of little things you can do
gleaming geyser
anyone tried simming BoE leggo boots
thorn moth
Now that they took KB away and DFA away the other specs feel bland
gleaming geyser
with triple haste gem
vapid moth
damn
spare cloud
thorn moth
lol
vapid moth
i get its toph but taht was uncalled for
spare cloud
wraith dragon
pretty sure 33 haste won't provide more than other legies
plush crag
Wait a minute rotation guide uses blindside but talent recommendations use elaborate
plush crag
aah there we go
strange python
sims keep telling me insignia of ravenholdt is bis, but does less than 2% of my dmg in a raid scenario FeelsBadMan
plush crag
Thanks
spare cloud
vapid moth
@strange python thats facts
obsidian loom
Think it may be the stats
vapid moth
no wonder sephuz pulls ahead then
obsidian loom
Wonder if anyone uses both rings and specs into the shoulder 2.0 talent and sees what happens
spare cloud
Nobody has tried that yet
vapid moth
ive tried both rings. that build broke
strange python
you're like, an entire box of dicks @spare cloud
vapid moth
16k dps
sacred citrus
which rings?
obsidian loom
Seph and raven
obsidian loom
I may try it for the lulz
vapid moth
these binding prices of my server make me wanna cry
obsidian loom
Dunno
copper sinew
@obsidian loom 350 DPS less than my best sim happens
obsidian loom
Ahh, damn
strange python
my best sim atm is like 4975 with Ravenholdt and empty crown.
spare cloud
@strange python I'm pretty nice actually
Ask reasonable questions and you get reasonable answers
lone junco
@gleaming geyser haste gear is out there. I have a ton tbh. If you get the orange boots, it probably just best for levling from 110 - 115
obsidian loom
What about 2 rings and night stalker? Canโt sim atm cause on train
obsidian loom
Or 2 rings and subterfuge
spare cloud
but you should sim for yourself ocne you are home
obsidian loom
Kk
lone junco
there are about 15 combos that you can come up with that are prob within 5% of each other.
obsidian loom
Yeah, so far my best sim is sticking with poison build and using NS for envenom
lean hill
I just did a shitload and ended up with shoulders/insignia as the top
lone junco
once you pick one that sims highest, make sure you can play it.
spare cloud
Then go with that
spare cloud
I feel you
Our raid is on sunday, gonna wake up early that day and go through my deleted items box
and restore every haste item
obsidian loom
Feels weird not having vendetta macros to everything
copper sinew
VENDETTA MACRO
lone junco
wot
plush crag
Xd
knotty pecan
back pedal
obsidian loom
Except in opener
copper sinew
BONKERS
obsidian loom
Nah
lone junco
you delay vendetta to be in bracer window.
wraith dragon
nice jebaited
obsidian loom
Manually pressing buttons sucks :p
spare cloud
midnight karma
@strange python mines 5354 with bracers and insignia
obsidian loom
Never really had problems with it not being up for bracer window
woven bane
when will herodamage likely to be updated for the cloak nerf?
copper sinew
How are we supposed to knooow?
obsidian loom
Well pre patch, I was using boots/bracers with all vendetta cd relics
lone junco
nightly my dude bro
sudden ravine
*Several people are typing... *
gleaming geyser
sacred citrus
@lone junco all of my sims are within 5% what do i do?
civic palm
Cry.
lone junco
@sacred citrus sit back and pwn my person.
copper sinew
@gleaming geyser BoE boots + Insignia sims around 1150 dps less than bracers+insignia for me
lone junco
nothing matters. This is all fictional 1's and 0's
it will all be obsolete at lvl 116
gleaming geyser
@copper sinew thanks bud
wraith dragon
go sub, get 4p bug proc, afk
sacred citrus
i refuse to accept this logic.
lone junco
post your sims, Ill pick one.
sacred citrus
lone junco
play what PERFORMS highest
sacred citrus
spare cloud
I can't click right now
sacred citrus
i have no haste, feelsbadman
copper sinew
rofl
spare cloud
if you dont care, then play what you enjoy the most
obsidian loom
If 5% diff play whatever you want
spare cloud
5% is a pretty huge difference
sacred citrus
clearly these people who are commenting to me aren't familiar with me.
sacred citrus
i didn't know people took me seriously.
lone junco
0.05%
orchid flume
I feel so squishy goddamn
spare cloud
but 0,05% is also variance
lone junco
margin of human error is like 12% lol
obsidian loom
Yar
teal glen
simmed 6k with bracers/insignia
strange python
finally got a sim over 5k dps with insignia an sephuz
obsidian loom
Woo
lone junco
@sacred citrus my best tip. Surround yourself with mediocre players, so that you are always on top
sacred citrus
is that one of my parses?
sacred citrus
i feel like that was one of mine :p
you found out my game!
what boss is that?
@lone junco if you look hard enough you will find a 13m opener from me on our aggramar reclear night.
cursive hatch
if you surround yourself with mediocre players and get all the gear you want, you too can always be on top of the meters with a sub par spec!
copper sinew
The pins
thick jacinth
in my defence I joined the server again 2 minutes ago
strange python
you can look at the resources provided in each spec channel.
thick jacinth
yikes they're all blocked at work I'll check on my break I guess
orchid flume
That feeling when you finally got Bis
copper sinew
@thick jacinth - Assa > Sub > Outlaw with out of date herodamage sims - order of the pic is assa, outlaw, sub
thick jacinth
thanks mate
sacred citrus
how are you simming 6K?
weak isle
on raiding training dummy
copper sinew
@weak isle Potions, Food, Flasks, Raidbuffs, Heroism
terse olive
Think haste is the thing syldrin
sacred citrus
teal glen
terse olive
to much mastery and to little haste
teal glen
pogchamp
weak isle
wait potion food flash buffs are reallt making 2K difference?
sacred citrus
oh, 4p i can probably break it can't i
copper sinew
@sacred citrus Oh god please no
terse olive
and try switching crimson tempest for toxic blade aswell @sacred citrus
copper sinew
@weak isle 4.4 to 6 is 1.6k tho ๐
sacred citrus
try again freddii
weak isle
1.6K true
spare cloud
Okay
weak isle
but like buffs that impactful now?
spare cloud
From people asking pinned questions
obsidian loom
If using bracers , canโt get to execute range on dummy
slow stag
will the haste increase your dmg much? i only have 7% PepeHands
obsidian loom
Could be the issue idunno
terse olive
wut you mean? xD @sacred citrus how much haste u got?
copper sinew
@weak isle I mean, buffs have always been pretty impactful
spare cloud
don't feed the troll
sacred citrus
what do you mean what do i mean? you are over here telling me to swap CT for TB when they aren't on the same row
terse olive
omg
weak isle
guess so ye, never knew it would be like 20% dps increase for buffs
fast nacelle
sephuz simms higher for me than insignia
empty tide
im sephuz shoulder atm
fast nacelle
insignia was pretty unverwhelming with 2%
empty tide
ye
fast nacelle
same as PB
i m testing sephuz
also vigor ring with mfd
psure its more dps than insignia
sad we cant proc insig with poison slow
on adds
spare cloud
Yes
thorn moth
i have felhounds trinket
empty tide
vari trinket is insane
prisma carbon
is serpentrix trinket better or is it being overvalued?
shrewd night
Its better.
prisma carbon
noice
teal glen
wiping on HC felhound in pug 
weak isle
wait 2 + 4 set
lunar berry
im looking at the sticky but cant see it. Whats the talent choice suggestion?
sacred citrus
2210021
smoky bluff
still 2 on first row?
lunar berry
elaborate planning?
summer marsh
Is Crimson Tempest or Poison better for M+?
umbral vessel
Yeah EP
summer marsh
Poision bomb*
fast nacelle
crimson seems nice
umbral vessel
PBomb is strong if they're stacked, CT if they aren't is general consensus
sacred citrus
there is probably less than 12 hours of information out on all builds right now. it's too early to say.
umbral vessel
Depends how much PBomb actually drops for you. Still unpredictability about it
summer marsh
ahhh ok ty
sacred citrus
don't stop ๐
serene basin
lol
sacred citrus
until it goes away
fast nacelle
nope
i deleted so much gear
i dont have much to swap out
970 crit haste boots... 975 crit haste chest etc
lone junco
i got so much crit haste in the past few weeks.
lunar berry
what legos do you suggest for assa now?
gleaming geyser
@weak isle getting almost exact same results
weak isle
dunno what's wrong
fast nacelle
@lone junco im at 24% haste
weak isle
my dps or the sim
junior flume
Should we go on physical on on argus now instead of nature?
sturdy python
simming with belt/insignia is higher than bracers/insignia by about 100+ dps. Are other people finding this>
teal glen
belt simming 6,1k but belt is โฟ
teal glen
yeah belt is stupid
lone junco
a melandrus wouldnt hurt
teal glen
insignia simming higher than sephuz for me tho 
sudden ravine
Shoulders and Raven simming top for me, hm
fast nacelle
well.. depends on stats probably
i mean.. i can try with eoc
which could bring insig over sephuz
but eoc sucks balls
lone junco
there is a triniket list floating around
fast nacelle
compared to ssw
supple hearth
Smh tyra using the inferior set
teal glen
melandrus ring is so good lolz
lone junco
fast nacelle
@supple hearth pffff thats the only true set
lone junco
that ๐ฅ
nocturne gate
good a (old) 940 mela which is simming by far higher then any 960-970 haste/crit haste/versa rings
nocturne gate
y
fast nacelle
i got errect a little bit
warm sable
Tnx for help and info about new changed way of playing ,,, i owned DPS even my gear suck hard ๐
lone junco
looks good. Sephuz just has good stats.
sudden ravine
Draught of Souls 
strange python
I need that damn vari trinket. Cant decide if I'm bothered enough for it though.
lone junco
the kick is for lols I guess
fast nacelle
2% haste is big
on top of the stats
for me also mantle + sephuz prob be good in short fights
mantle having good value in short fight
on aggramar and argus probably still bracer insig
maybe i can make bracer + vigor ring work with mfd
need to test
hazy whale
boys what do we got for talents rollin in?
fast nacelle
MP/EP sims very similar for me (+-5 dps most of the time)
i d go for NS with mantle and subterfuge without
vigor all the time.. TB all the time..PB on ST
eventhough PB is just 2-max 3% of our dmg
good choice to have PB as ST
instead of KB
i love blizzard
no one ever needed PB
fast nacelle
nah i streamed half of the day and made my wa's and tested sets
lone junco
almost 5k ticks.
fast nacelle
yeah
lone junco
1.2 sec during lust.
sacred citrus
do not take NS
fast nacelle
with mantle
sacred citrus
dude
ancient sonnet
what neck enchant you bois using?
sacred citrus
multi target garrote
tranquil birch
claw for me razz but it's really close for some people with satyr
got to sim it๐คท
fast nacelle
ah yeah.. what do you guys enchant
queen wedge
No love for Blindside? ๐
fast nacelle
i tried satyr
ancient sonnet
ok
nocturne gate
satyr simming higher for me in few diffrent sims
fast nacelle
didnt try claw but cba tbh
fast nacelle
satyr prob just fine for all 3 specs
hazy whale
is shoulder/sephuz BiS now?
nocturne gate
most for ring +bracer and claw only in aoe better for my sims
fast nacelle
lone junco
really tho. Im hoping that I can get a bonkers 1min exang with belt/bracer.
sacred citrus
the price gouge on neck enchants
hazy whale
broski T.T
lone junco
rip twice and
obtuse garnet
ns is simming higher for me than subt
lone junco
๐ธ
fast nacelle
vanish on gcd made me so mad several times today
hazy whale
I quit for like a year and am just coming back with like full heroic Nighthold gear, im poo poo cachoo
lone junco
same with blade flurry. and vendetta
nocturne gate
@fast nacelle geht mir auch so
teal glen
vendetta gcd is a i d s
fast nacelle
i didnt notice vanish
played KG hc with cloak
nocturne gate
vanish also
lone junco
I kept rolling into Blade rush without the flurry going off.
lone junco
rage occured.
spare flame
is it looking like potion of the old war is best now?
tranquil birch
I assume with people stacking haste gear you're going to vanish->rupture?
with ns
lone junco
haste still applies to garrote
fast nacelle
we are already scammed.. paying 50+ bucks for bfa for losing all traits, legendaries, t21
sacred citrus
you aren't wrong
fast nacelle
all we get is perso loot and gcd
strange python
potion of the old war seems better yeah
lone junco
depends on whether a Subterfuge garrote is more or less than a pandemic NS Rupture.
fast nacelle
we should just stay at lvl 110
and play legion again
the g ame will just get worse
spare nebula
i dont understand how putting abilities on the gcd makes the game easier for normies
fast nacelle
from now on
tranquil birch
I don't either dunce
fast nacelle
world of warcraft - the only game where you pay to lose features and fun
tranquil birch
All I know is I keep not actually casting vendetta when I try to
junior flume
The GCD stuff doesn't feel all that bad though
But you have to get used to vendetta ๐
spare nebula
it just feels unnecessary
lone junco
I literally have to just take my hand off the keyboard and PRESS BLADEFLURRY to make sure it goes off.
sacred citrus
they put vendetta on the GCD
but didn't increase it's duration to compensate for the change?
like they said they would
lone junco
i prefer 45 sec
tranquil birch
yup
fast nacelle
i dont need vendetta too often you can balanc enumbers around
tranquil birch
2min feels so long now lol
fast nacelle
but having it on 45 makes it faster
mellow pasture
FOK spec is BACK?
lone junco
zzzzz
mellow pasture
all hail โฟ spin to win
fast nacelle
i ll prob start sub. sub seems lit as fuck
sudden brook
naruto rogue
mellow pasture
tranquil birch
sub is boring af now too
spare nebula
assa feels almost like vanilla/bc rogue
teal glen
sub is 
spare nebula
xD
tranquil birch
without dfa
fast nacelle
sub is fine with sectec
fast nacelle
pure st its lame though
spare nebula
agreed
lone junco
thats why Tisumi was like FUCK sin. going sub. 120 raid sucks balls as sin.
sacred citrus
so that wasn't a troll?
tranquil birch
it was fun to use
restive grove
So what talents we using in prepatch
tranquil birch
yes
spare nebula
@restive grove pins homie
tranquil birch
well it's a pvp talent for every spec
teal glen
fok spec died today
tranquil birch
no
sudden brook
fok is dead
lunar berry
what legendaires have simed the best for assa after patch?
sudden brook
it sucks though
tranquil birch
yeah and the dmg is shit
sacred citrus
no it's not
teal glen
the dmg is fixed
sacred citrus
not how it was last night
strange python
its additive now