assassination

[tough whale]

Sim ur own leggos

[leaden elk]

but it's not updated yet

at least not according to ping

[dark parcel]

for me ring + shoulders or ring + prydaz sims higher (couple of dps difference)

[vestal wren]

they did not nerf mantle, they changed everything else

[coarse quiver]

doing top DPS for the 3 weeks before expansion is super ultra important for min/maxing reeeeee

[strange python]

i heard it was down to 25%, did i get rused?

[tough whale]

u got memed

[leaden elk]

for someone who's on trial for a realm first guild, yeah T_T

[tough whale]

If youre on trial for a realm first guild

nobody gives a fuck about prepatch

Theyre gonna start actually looking at you when the xpac hits

[leaden elk]

They are looking at us now. When the xpac hits the core is decided already

[shut robin]

wtf

[tough whale]

Then they're idiots

[true ingot]

..

[leaden elk]

at any rate

[tough whale]

actually mental

[true ingot]

Are you sure that's a realm first guild

[leaden elk]

Anyone knows if they update the sims ?

[nimble barn]

i sim the highest with ring and cloak but some say the cloak sims are not hotfixed

[true ingot]

and not a heroic guild run by deluded idiots?

[tough whale]

^

[leaden elk]

Nope, sure of it xD

[strange lodge]

its a realm first guild. they didn't specify mythic.

[tough whale]

REALM FIRST NORMAL BOIS

[leaden elk]

Op

[true ingot]

Can I ask what realm this guild is on

[cursive hatch]

some realms are really bad as far as raiding goes

[vestal wren]

@nimble barn if you build from source it should be tfixed, for raidbots idont know maybe ask seri to rebuild

[cursive hatch]

some killed argus this week for realm first

[leaden elk]

I preffer to stop the subject here ^^

[tough whale]

"wow this class really abused how overpowered prepatch items were! They deserve to be in our core!"

[true ingot]

Okay, well. Here's some advice - Get the hell out while you still can, buddy.

[tough whale]

🤔

[spring zephyr]

Have we got a new talent tree yet?

[true ingot]

You'll be way better off elsewhere.

[spring zephyr]

After fan of knives got nerfed?

What do we run

[strange lodge]

sims, you run sims

[leaden elk]

given haste weight prydaz seems like a good choice

[tough whale]

Even if the sims for the cloak are still bugged you can sim everything except the cloak 🤔

[shut robin]

xd

[tough whale]

you dont have to feelycraft this.

[vestal wren]

moment

[proven moth]

is cape+HB fixed? cus it still sims better that any pb + any leggo comb 🤔

[vivid bone]

Pins

[tough whale]

[strange python]

opp

oppa

[shy orbit]

neck enchants suggestions

[proven moth]

Sorry then ¬¬ thought it was fixed by this time.

[tropic talon]

Raidbots seems updated - cloak+HB sim yesterday 6900 dps, right now 6100 no changes in profile (I could be dumb though)

[zealous lily]

seems correct to me

[tropic talon]

Unless its something else

[vast tulip]

is hast better thene masrty now?

[shut robin]

what does the date say for the nightly build on your sim?

[tough whale]

[tropic talon]

for me it was until I got to 20% haste

[zealous lily]

generally haste will be bestest till around 20% but it depends on your other stats

[tropic talon]

then it dropped below crit and vers but still above mastery

[zealous lily]

it's still #1 for me at slightly over 20%

[smoky fable]

Wait, do casting Vendetta start autoattack?

[tough whale]

Yes?

[smoky fable]

Why? o_0

[tough whale]

Better question is why are you opening with a vendetta cast

[dreamy ridge]

^

[proven hemlock]

Because you have a vendetta against them and you wanna kill them real bad

[dire steeple]

Imagine not opening with vendetta

To get optimal uptime

[smoky fable]

Have weird idea bout cloak+HB

[strange python]

the sim used to open with vendetta.

[smoky fable]

While also having nightstalker and plan to have "knifebomb"

[median notch]

cant get over 6k with 247..

[jovial kite]

https://gyazo.com/5597a681f680fecc12d1fa62820bf31e

mwahaha

hahaha

[tropic talon]

Are you FOKing?

[nocturne gate]

which leggo comb u running currently mystic ?

[tough whale]

Jesus here it goes

[amber sleet]

hahaha

wtf

[jovial kite]

different each boss

[dreamy ridge]

great

[silk sundial]

Opening with vandetta wouldn't be too bad now for initial burst damage since you don't get the 60 energy

[clever turret]

yoo quick question you think 42% crit 17% haste 50% mastery 10% vers is good?

well sims kinda scuffed rn

[true ingot]

Turn some of that crit into haste

but sim yourself

[smoky fable]

Ye, that's thae thought i had

[tough whale]

Sims not scuffed lol

[clever turret]

at least website

[tough whale]

Ive been running sims fine all day

[clever turret]

o.o I aint

[amber sleet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8qDcWYCdBjMcuCAjqGEXTS

[sick epoch]

is assassin typically the best pvp spec

[amber sleet]

Best sim i've managed to get with ring belt

[silk sundial]

@smoky fable would I do it? Probably not, but it isn't bad

[wraith dragon]

gem on cinidaria 🤔

[amber sleet]

@jovial kite We're fairly similar in terms of gear, i just need that ring

sims is almost identical aswell

[ripe bramble]

@wraith dragon Eternal belt buckle works right now

Most likely an oversight?

[tough whale]

yes

[smoky fable]

Right now i'm thinking of m Imonar, it have a ton of downtime which i think can make cloak+HB+shoulders+nightstalker kinda... ok?

[tough whale]

belt buckle if you feel like tryharding the last 3 weeks of xpac

[clever turret]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eHXeibToQtFPbawPbYFGSP

hm

[tough whale]

Do you have a scourgewing? Ssf is underwhelming

[clever turret]

really

[tough whale]

yes

[clever turret]

aight lemme try

[hollow robin]

Didn't they fix the cloak and hidden blades interaction?

[nocturne gate]

they did

[twin prism]

@silk sundial it is because of the gcd youre losing at least 1 second of uptime

[cedar gust]

2210022 - pre patch
these are the talents?
2 would be the one to the right?

[unkempt phoenix]

1 left 2 middle 3 right

[tough whale]

🤔

[strange python]

0 means it doesn't matter

[tough whale]

2 would be middle no matter how you count it

[strange python]

naw he didn't see a 3

0 - 1 - 2

[tough whale]

oof

[dark parcel]

Even without cloak, HB is simming 100 dps higher. What is your opener in that scenario? And would you wait for all 20 stacks before using it? Could somebody PM me on this if you know please? Would appreciate it 😃

[fringe ginkgo]

Someone fixed Tidyplates if anyone prefers that:
https://github.com/Luxocracy/TidyPlates_BFA

[dark parcel]

yeah i read the PIN

some ppl say SIM craft is fixed on it

so i'd like to test it myself : >

[clever turret]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nSenANmfQG2tpX3mH7p7kT

hm not that muhc higher

[frosty linden]

I sim at 6k but i just hit a tdummy for like 15 mins and got stable 4.5kk i rly dont think my rotation was scuffed or anything but i doubt not having the isolation on my scourgewing would make that much of a difference

big confused

[royal lantern]

you should ALWAYS take sims with a grain of salt

[strange python]

sim has lust/potions/kill timer

[teal glen]

do sims include raid buffs?

[royal lantern]

thats why it is called a simulation

[hoary copper]

Yes

[steep mulch]

If we done use the cloak what would be the next best lego

[vestal wren]

the talent notation is in the RH guide version explainend, so you can refer to the RH version if there are questions (channel topic has the link)

[tropic talon]

Are you trying to say its not real life?

[hoary copper]

It includes lust/pots/flask/food unless you tell it not to

[frosty linden]

Ah right that makes more sense

[cedar gust]

anyone care to explain how do i read this 2210022 ?

[tough whale]

talent rows

1 2 3

[gleaming geyser]

Someone already answered you

[teal glen]

2 is middle

[amber sleet]

1 = talent to the left

2 middle

3 right

[slate tulip]

does Elaborate planning snap rupture for whole it duration? or only for window is up ?

[still wolf]

Can anyone give me talents pls

[cedar gust]

and 0? 0o

[gleaming geyser]

It doesnt snapshot yorge

[amber sleet]

0 is w/e

[cedar gust]

doesnt matter?

ok tyvm

[amber sleet]

u can choose

[onyx lagoon]

0 has no effect on dps

[still wolf]

Where can I find it guys?

[supple hearth]

@still wolf have u checked the pins

Or the link at the top

[dire steeple]

Did they imploment the nerf to Cloak/HB on raidbots?

[still wolf]

I'm not really familiar with discord

[cedar gust]

PB aint worth anymore?

[supple hearth]

@still wolf are u mobile or on desktop

[still wolf]

Mobile

[gleaming geyser]

You need to sim yourself stop asking about talents everything is in the pins

[supple hearth]

Top right (left if apple?) There should be three dots tap it and click pinned messages

[still wolf]

I don't know what pins are sorry

[supple hearth]

Read above post ^

[spring zephyr]

@supple hearth

isnt that pre fan of knives nerf tho?

[gleaming geyser]

That was more directed to the ?? Than you Uniq, sorry for the confusion

[supple hearth]

@spring zephyr you'd have to ask fuu. Afaik we keep pins updated as much as possible. If you're coming in and asking for a build use what's in the pins or figure it out yourself tbh 🤷 that was updated literally yesterday. There will be constant changes. You need to be patient or do it yourself

[gleaming geyser]

Can we pin the pin image

[gilded oasis]

Can we pin how to find the pins?

[supple hearth]

No

[gleaming geyser]

Zar marry me

[still wolf]

Thank you guys very much!

[gilded oasis]

OK 💍

[still wolf]

Also do we know what we use in pvp?

[tough whale]

ur abilities

[still wolf]

Anyone found a guide or so?

Lol

Talent wise

[fringe mist]

how are my mantle+master assassin people today

[supple hearth]

@still wolf nothing yet for PvP. Test them out

Theres not a meta yet

They will be in pins in #pvp when there is relevant builds to use

[still wolf]

Alright ty very much mate specially you giggle ^

[tough whale]

150% crit = op

[vestal wren]

i like the "but daaaaad" between the other pics

[supple hearth]

Best rule of thumb @still wolf if it's not in the pins it's not relevant or its not ready yet

[smoky bluff]

knew it was a matter of hours they fix the cloak + talent

[agile gust]

so what are the best legendaries for single target?

[silk sundial]

Depends on your talent setup and stats, check pins and Sim different setups

[weak isle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/focrm3Pvrn3WuFwLsGMwHv

lord of the rings

[junior ridge]

hey guys just a quick question, have I checked the pins?

[silk sundial]

@weak isle what stats?

[weak isle]

https://gyazo.com/8cefb83371ef28c87c64d81cff008c6d

[lament dove]

lol, I sim like 5500 in 242, is it because lack of haste? I gor 20%

[smoky bluff]

@junior ridge check the pins... heywaitaminute

[shy orbit]

poison bomb succ maaaaan

[bright wasp]

So wait... now we're stacking haste?

[smoky bluff]

sim it

but yeah, my sims says i must stack haste

[low girder]

mine say crit even at 46%

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[turbid gust]

got 5% haste, feels bad man

[nova snow]

does anyone have updated wa's?

[weak isle]

thats the highest dps i can find and it annoys me

[dire spoke]

@hoary copper u stole my image

[bright wasp]

https://wago.io/H10KR5nmQ @nova snow

[turbid gust]

@nova snow https://wago.io/BkJ1X6jRb

[dire steeple]

Is the Cloak/HB nerf implomented on raidbots? Im simming highest atm with that so just wondering if its correct or not

[dry thicket]

if you sim with sephuz, does it calculate maxed out procs?

or without procs

[dire spoke]

could imagine that sephuz is undervalued in simc

[meager quarry]

Soo...was there a blue post for that hotfix? like any other changes?

[gleaming geyser]

Im not sure but you can look under buffs and see the uptime on sephuz proc

[deep beacon]

I created a blindside WA it's on wago also just search for it if required

[exotic frigate]

"2210022 - pre patch"

How we feeling about this guys?

[dire spoke]

I'm feeling idc

[exotic frigate]

xD

thanks mate

[dry thicket]

EP seems to be better, right?

[weak isle]

simming shows your best talent tree

[dry thicket]

than blindside

[dire spoke]

it's prepatch meme builds, doesn't mean anything for the future expac eventually

[exotic frigate]

im aware of that

[meager quarry]

15 people asking pinned questions covering up my non-pinned one

[sharp idol]

lol

[true ingot]

I do hope Blindside becomes the go-to talent in that row in BFA proper though.

It's far more interesting than maintaining EP

[dry thicket]

true

[jovial kite]

disagree

[strange python]

no post about hotfix

[meager quarry]

ty ❤

[hoary copper]

@dire spoke This is the rogue discord afterall. Plus you werent around so didnt think you'd miss it

[dire spoke]

😄

[weak isle]

lmao

what is that

[sharp idol]

pre nerf

if you didnt try it you missed out

[gilded oasis]

It's beautiful

[weak isle]

ye i saw

seemed fun

[zealous dew]

lol

[shy orbit]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n2hGNNExDWxbiEsid4akHt

[silent crescent]

can someone tell me why internal bleeding isnt used? damage is higher than envenom and will give you energy returns

[shy orbit]

26% haste

[strange python]

@weak isle forget to change your neck enchant ? :p

[dusk tapir]

internal bleeding only works if the target isn't immune to stuns (if i'm not mistaken)

[hoary copper]

Least ret isnt total ♿

[silent crescent]

wait really? that's dumb

[weak isle]

i have claw @strange python

[silent crescent]

@dusk tapir are you sure that isn't just prey on the weak?

[strange python]

i see trained soldier on your sim^^

[dusk tapir]

internal bleeding is the talent that causes KS to cause a bleed dmg yea?

[weak isle]

ye just saw that hahaha

[silent crescent]

yeah

[weak isle]

no i have claw

[strange python]

i mean i just tried hidden blaes with cloak and st it feels way better than pb

just super feelycraft tho

[dusk tapir]

IB didn't work for me on raid bosses during 7.3.5 and im going to assume it still doesn't work that way

i could be wrong

[spring zephyr]

Hate > Crit > Vers > Mastery?

haste

[obtuse robin]

is raidbot updated with hb+ clock change?

[strange python]

no

[weak isle]

hate main stat

hate it all

[spring zephyr]

haha

Whats the priority?

[weak isle]

Stats:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[strange python]

you must sim

[weak isle]

check pins 😃

[spring zephyr]

@weak isle i thougth those pins

were based pre nerf

[strange python]

stat weight can be different^^

[weak isle]

ye my stat weight says different aswell

[obtuse robin]

they r but only the hb + cloack part

[hoary copper]

Stat weights you need to sim yourself but what the pins has is generally correct but not correct for every person

[still sky]

wow I didn't realize how much I missed Blindside(backstab) procs until now

feels great

[ripe bramble]

Too bad it's the worst talent in it's row lol

[still sky]

I mean I'm still pulling 5k with it

[strange python]

Gorshalach's trinket any good? Bonus rolled it on mythic agg awhile back and was contemplating using it because of the +62 haste

[still sky]

so it's not that bad

[glossy hearth]

My haste weight came back down to earth around 25%

Has anyone messed around with much higher

[strange python]

i sim so freakin low its nuts

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4iT7kKN2GerMzXKaeXvfNA

[hoary copper]

I think bloodmallet is updated

[wise siren]

So is back + insignia still best legendaries even after the nerf you're talking about?

[winter beacon]

how much haste is good for assa rogue ?

[hoary copper]

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination

Until the other stats are better

[wise siren]

So bloodmallet has updated since the nerf?

[hoary copper]

Nerf has nothing to do with trinkets

[ripe bramble]

Nerf doesn't affect trinkets

[hoary copper]

wasnt really a nerf just a fix

[wise siren]

wait you're not talking about insignia of ravenholdt then?

[hoary copper]

Someone asked about a trinket

[loud fossil]

damn, cloak + hb got fixed before i got a chance to play around with it in raid

rip

[hoary copper]

For leggos you sim yourself

[onyx lagoon]

it was neat, but i honestly didnt like it much

[wise siren]

alright, so that blood website is good to go for pre-patch?

[hoary copper]

Just as you always have

If you open it you will see -.-

[weary tundra]

did insignia get nerfed? some guildies are telling me blizz nerfed it

[wise siren]

well sorry for asking

[ripe bramble]

Insignia used to be 30% for Assassination, 15% for outlaw and sub. Now it's 15% for all

[hoary copper]

Dont be sorry, just actually click the information thats given you. takes 2 seconds to look

[limber wagon]

It’s still best for most people

[hoary copper]

Insig was always good, just better for certain conditions

[wise siren]

It was just a simple yes/no question, I saw you guys said raidbots wasn't up to date

[hoary copper]

like higher crit

[weary tundra]

@ripe bramble ah I see.. I'll sim it and see thanks

[hoary copper]

I think someone said raidbots updated since the pin, Im at work so idk

[rustic onyx]

Hello, is a nightly accounting for the cloak + HB nerf/fix out or not yet ? Pins says no but not sure if updated

[vestal wren]

no

[ripe bramble]

@weary tundra Pretty sure raidbots assumes it's 30% right now, gotta wait till the APL gets updated. Not sure though

[weary tundra]

oh I will wait then

[vestal wren]

iirc nightly was rebuild on 10 am

[balmy condor]

All you people freaking out about a hotfix for simming

[rustic onyx]

I'm not freaking out i just want to sim accuractly my character 😮

[rose bluff]

whats mean "HB"

[balmy condor]

You guys progressing mythic?

[vestal wren]

fix where recently, and raidbots didnt rebuild

[rustic onyx]

And asking if i can or not

[vestal wren]

hidden blade

[rose bluff]

thx

[lone junco]

@glossy hearth highest I've seen haste is 27%. So there is prob a range around 25 based on ilvl/stats

[tropic talon]

Crit pulled ahead for me at 21% haste

[prisma pond]

I do mythic world quests.

[tropic talon]

but they were all really close except for mastery

[grim jay]

did someone mention everyone? 🤔

[lone junco]

@sharp idol clever art. I think I've seen this artist before.

[sharp idol]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[coarse quiver]

it seems like we've gone a minute without someone asking about updated sims. Should I use this time to ask about it so we don't ruin the flow of the chat itself?

[queen epoch]

can we still increase the artifacts ilvl with relics?

[lone junco]

Yes.

[queen epoch]

how? doesn't seem to work for me

[strange python]

yeah I can't open my artifact. must be some addon blocking it.

[gilded oasis]

Yeah disable add-ons and try again.. Happened to me last night until I went back to default ui

[queen epoch]

will try that, ty

@gilded oasis worked, ty

[zinc zephyr]

mantle + insignia after cloak nerf?

[ripe nimbus]

Wait for it....

Sim

Yo

Self

[hoary copper]

too slow

[lament dove]

download simcraft nightly addon and sim with lightspeed

*program

[ripe nimbus]

Or u know go to raidbots and do it faster

[nocturne gate]

yikes i dont want to use pb-.-

[crystal nest]

One question, talent for assa lvl?

lvling*

[ripe nimbus]

Well u will be glad to know that in 99% of situations u don't use PB

[edgy pebble]

Peanut Butter is lyfe brah

[ripe nimbus]

True

[quick coral]

only i who got all the Debuff tracker WAs just disappeared?:P

[steep citrus]

crunchy or smooth?

[open reef]

Depends on fight

[edgy pebble]

hmmm @steep citrus that is the question of the day

[brave gyro]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4zVoF9gqJVkSzTLiTNPiBT

[steep citrus]

crunchy for aoe

[brave gyro]

no way with this build

i do more with the normal one xD

[quick coral]

hmm

[cursive hatch]

smooth pb is the way to go

[proven hemlock]

There's something about nuts in my mouth though

[hoary copper]

I got some chunky peanut butter for you

[rose bluff]

aman'thul vision works better than golganneth's vitality?

[edgy pebble]

@rose bluff only if you like PB

[rose bluff]

ohh

[lament dove]

btw, how so you know that PB is shit, everybody tried it?

[thick zodiac]

Peanut butter?

[edgy pebble]

who says Peanut BUtter is shit?

its lyfe.

@steep citrus we got a PB hater

[steep citrus]

that's nuts

[hoary copper]

If only there were sims or testing to tell us which talents are better

[edgy pebble]

@steep citrus you officially win today.

[lament dove]

so you're simming it for aoe?

[vestal wren]

Raidbots updated the nightly, it should now properly calculate the legendary back scaling with hidden blades.
Insignia and the crucible ring too. Feel free to re-sim the combination now.
Don't forget to use the "NIGHTLY" version.

[restive otter]

so with cloak and hidden blades do you only FoK when both fully stacked?

[warm parcel]

Also insignia

[hoary copper]

Check pins

[warm parcel]

@vestal wren

Lets rerun that lego combo

[steep citrus]

does hero damage automagically update? or does someone have to go regenerate the stuff

[warm parcel]

That takes long

[fallow estuary]

Did they fix the mythic argus Tree? So the massrez strat isnt viable anymore?

[hoary copper]

Someone asked about that in #off-topic too, idk if theres an answer

[strange python]

also insignia? what was wrong with insignia?

[warm parcel]

double damage in sims

[strange python]

...

😄

[shut robin]

it does 15% now right? instead of 30%

[warm parcel]

yep

[vestal wren]

yes

[shut robin]

rip

[spiral steeple]

all my old wa are working but the one that tracks toxic blade cd, any idea on how to fix it?

[cursive hatch]

probably need to change the talent that its looking at

because of the talent tree shuffle

[spiral steeple]

oh true they moved it ty ill look if its that

[hoary copper]

Sounds like a dance. The talent tree shuffle

[cursive hatch]

I had to adjust all WA's that pointed at talents last night

[warm parcel]

@vestal wren RB is still returning 30% insignia

RB rebuilding takes like 30+ mins iirc

[vestal wren]

okay, so might wait a bit

[warm parcel]

Should be any moment

[shut robin]

Ya nightly build also seem to be the same

[warm parcel]

Nightlies are different that what RB uses

[shy orbit]

they updated tmw profiles for rogue if any1 use to use them

[quick coral]

i lost tracking ALL debuff tracker on WA, such as garrote, rupture etc

[shut robin]

its up now

[cursive hatch]

my debuff tracking works, but gnosis died a horrible death

[vestal wren]

hehe i was to fast, sry

[cursive hatch]

if anyone was using those

[shut robin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mZMu6ArfUfLp2a3Qb6nqT8 xD

[safe idol]

Whoa

[tropic talon]

sadface

[nocturne gate]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ek6EQc2JNbBoUrkUVufJZ8

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cwfs3USAg2b91reex5CGZV

is it bc pb ?

[potent lintel]

So is it worth using master assasin talent with shoulders?

[lean hill]

No

[ripe bramble]

no

[shut robin]

@nocturne gate the latest sim you posted is with the fix to insignia

[nocturne gate]

i simmed them simultanly

[shut robin]

check SimC Git Hash

[onyx siren]

Wait I’m out of the loop, insignia was bugged?

[sage viper]

looks like Sephuz's is better now

[lean hill]

@nocturne gate when you sim top gear you have way less iterations, meaning higher variance in the results

[shut robin]

was doing 30% in sims instead of 15%, it's fixed now

[onyx siren]

Ah kk

[lean hill]

If you put on what it says is top gear then ran multiple 100k iterations youd see closer numbers

[potent lintel]

are yall replacing shoulder or using a different talent

[nocturne gate]

ah ok thanks @lean hill didnt know that^^

just saw the numbers and wondering about the variance

[shut robin]

again one of the sims you ran is with the 30% insignia other one is 15%

[lean hill]

Yea the top gear sim will usually be followed up by another with say stat weights for the smaller changes like sockets and enchants

[frozen gorge]

should we use envenom with 4 Cb points or always 5 ? (with every dot in place and toxic blade on cd)

[strange python]

4+

[frozen gorge]

ty 😃

[solar willow]

what do i do if i get blindside proc while doing opener. finish opener and then do blindside or fit it within the opener

[ripe bramble]

Raidbots updated for the Insignia change? What about Cloak+HB interaction?

[shut robin]

yes to both

[zealous lily]

thank you

[thorn moth]

i hate how they made haste go from worst to best

like all my gear is stacked with mastery and crit so now i have to do a 180

[junior flume]

Yes.... I have so much mastery which seems to be at the bottom of the list now

[thorn moth]

and i dont care enough

haha

[hoary copper]

Glad Im a gear hoarder

[vestal wren]

so anyone looked up insignia and back?

[hoary copper]

Except I didnt save scourgewing

[shut robin]

ye I did

[junior flume]

Yea i should have saved all that gear 😦 I didn't realize they were implementing new specs before BFA

[vestal wren]

who tried it, how did it end up?

[shut robin]

bad

[mental vessel]

same my my gear is screwed since i had a lot of mastery

[thorn moth]

i already did an item restore too but just took shoulders

[shut robin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mZMu6ArfUfLp2a3Qb6nqT8 there @vestal wren

[thorn moth]

since i didnt have shoudlers

[mental vessel]

i have insig if the grand army and master assassin shoulders, got the 1k essence what do i upgrade to?

*of

[junior flume]

OHhhh! ITEM RESTORE!

[zealous lily]

even nerfed in sim ring/belt still sims best by a fair margin

for me

[junior flume]

Juulz ❤ ❤ ❤

[narrow comet]

thank fuck for item restore

[shut robin]

cloak + belt seems best now for aoe

[junior flume]

Hadn't thought about that at all!

[old ruin]

Before https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rraTpPUdD54D6VUuuaL1Et
After https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oUNxaWVQzqMc427iaYRvVQ

@vestal wren

[untold stream]

Haste is really the best stat now ? Just because of bleeds tics ?

[weak isle]

wait @old ruin you removed 1 haste gem

and u went up by 500

[narrow comet]

al the times i moaned at haste gear ...

and i mean moaned like a mother fucker

[junior flume]

Haha yea. We wen't from "fuck haste" to "gimme gimme"

[plain jacinth]

bleed ticks + white damage being higher

[narrow comet]

every gd week i opened that chest with shitty haste gear

[untold stream]

Well fuck me then, I have 2% haste x)

[shut robin]

@weak isle no the changes for HB+cloak and insignia is live on raidbots now.

[ripe nimbus]

Like sexually moaned?.. that's weird man

[zealous lily]

i'm restoring haste stuff on cooldown now 😦

[narrow comet]

well no not that but you know what i mean

[warm parcel]

Yup now insignia and cloak are in

[ripe bramble]

Still running mine with the old Git Hash, how do I make sure it's updated?

[warm parcel]

Insignia still beats sepuz by 60 dps

[mental vessel]

so insig of raven is a must cop?

[restive otter]

did they fix the eternal belt buckle?

[smoky bluff]

@ripe bramble change the sims option to nightly

[vestal wren]

@warm parcel did you try the crucible ring?

[warm parcel]

Actually nop

Good?

[ripe bramble]

@smoky bluff Thanks.

[ripe nimbus]

Memes

[strange python]

they are in raidbots?

[warm parcel]

The ring still works...

So

[smoky bluff]

ouch, from 6,165 to 5,550

[warm parcel]

grand army beats sepuz too

[restive otter]

Do we wait till FoK is stacked fully to use it?

[weak isle]

6.2 > 5.7

gg rip

[atomic jay]

anyone got any good weakauras?

[warm parcel]

I do

I love mine

https://i.imgur.com/DhVSkEN.png

[atomic jay]

looks sick wago link?

[warm parcel]

There isnt

[weak isle]

https://gyazo.com/151657f011224b64f837b87241f13611

this is mine

[atomic jay]

make it happen @tota0

[native mica]

bruv

[gusty plinth]

neck enchant?

[native mica]

vendetta on gcd makes me unconfortable

[ripe bramble]

@gusty plinth Satyr

[muted jacinth]

😄

[weak isle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/erjXkSCT8ip7UoV6xMzZfq

the highest i can get 😮

weird cus my ilvl is 248 but sim says 239?

[ripe bramble]

Sephuz+Insignia looking good in sims

Your weapon ilvl seems to be out of wack

[weak isle]

ye for me they are 255

in sim random <200

[loud fossil]

oh yea, why didnt' i consider using sephuz?

[leaden elk]

what about the court of stars ring

[dire steeple]

Does Zephus sim with procs or nah?

[leaden elk]

that gives 10% autoattack damage

[vivid bone]

damn I sim so much lower

[loud fossil]

hmm, that's gotta be better now, right?

the ring

[spare cloud]

Ugly weakauras here

[leaden elk]

it has crit+haste + 10% autoattack bonus

[muted jacinth]

glad i hav a 935 of it

[loud fossil]

since supposedly autoattacks are a bigger source of dps now

[leaden elk]

yep

[loud fossil]

well, it's not 935 anymore :v

[leaden elk]

but is the difference enough to cover the lost of zephus against another leggo

🤔

[ripe bramble]

Can anyone answer whether sephuz sims with procs or no?

[weak isle]

just sim every leggo and that ring

see if it's worth

[zealous lily]

melandrus ring is strong when i sim it but i do not have a high ilvl one

[junior flume]

Is everyone just spamming item restore? It's sooooo slow xD

[zealous lily]

it's not amazing but pretty good

[vale marlin]

without the cloack, for mm+ you go PB ?

[void pecan]

just farm essence and buy the cloak..

WQ's

[ripe nimbus]

No because I kept crit haste gear cause it was good for outlul why would u vendor it?

[vale marlin]

i just bought shoulder and insignia, cloack will be next

[junior flume]

Is the cloak worth it after all? I haven't had a chance to look at it yet after the changes went live to raidbots

[edgy pebble]

huge drops with cloak now is what im seeing...

[onyx siren]

So Raidbots is simming insignia correctly now? 15% instead of 30%?

[restive otter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3MDapJw2eJzk9Atb73V3aN

not getting it

not sure why it says 235 either I am 245

[weak isle]

your weapons

[obtuse robin]

kjbw also seems to sim decent

[restive otter]

ah ok

[weak isle]

but cloak is kinda meh now

since nerfs

[prisma carbon]

its still simming high for me for some reason

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ssAtFDKRotJQV7aBJN3K93

[obtuse robin]

cuz raidbots hasnt fixed the fix on cloack

[ivory storm]

use nightly build

your still using weekly

[prisma carbon]

o

thx

ily

[weak isle]

raidbots did fix the cloak

[tardy abyss]

sadly cloak doesnt have as much value now

[fluid mist]

Cloak insig over cloak shoulders?

[obtuse robin]

ahh on nighlty

[potent lintel]

So whats with the insignia ring being buffed

[weak isle]

its being buffed?

[obtuse robin]

it was nerfed

30 to 15 %

[weak isle]

it simmed wrong

[fluid mist]

Hype

[weak isle]

cus it said 30% but its 15%

[onyx siren]

Not buffed, sims just had it running 30% instead of 15% someone said

[fluid mist]

But cloak stacking with talent is Still op right?

[shut robin]

no

[obtuse robin]

no

[weak isle]

nope

[leaden elk]

I'm so confused

[weak isle]

prepatch @leaden elk

everyone is

[restive otter]

so is insignia still top or no?

[leaden elk]

yeah, I know

[fluid mist]

Hype

[weak isle]

insignia seems to be high value

[ivory storm]

Insignia/Sephuz with PB is what sims best for me now

[weak isle]

yep asme

[fluid mist]

Ok w/e it’s end expec anyway i’ll Just roll what i rolled before prepatch

Bracers mantle cloak on heavy aoe and m+ i’ll be fine

[gusty plinth]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/75zRq9UWkFVnuK4m9E6UEC

hmmm

[night prawn]

who known whats wrong with this ?
function(progress, ...)
local CP = UnitPower("Player",4) -- uses current CPs to calculate the refresh treshold
local picked = select(4, GetTalentInfo(3, 2, 1, nil, "player"))
if (picked==true) then --- If using Anticipation and above 5 CPs assume finisher is used with 5 CPs
if (CP > 5) then
CP=5
end
end

local auraname = select(4, ...)




local refresh = (4+(4*CP))*0.3 --- for the finisher specific formula refer to http://pastebin.com/jS6NdUY4



local remaining = progress - GetTime()

if progress ~= 0 then
    
    if(remaining < refresh) then
        
        if(wa_RPsnapshot == true) then
            
            return "|cFFE18800"..format("%.1f",remaining)
        else
            return "|cFF00FF00"..format("%.1f",remaining)
            
        end
        
        
    else
        
        if(wa_RPsnapshot == true) then
            
            return "|cFFE1E100"..format("%.1f",remaining) 
        else
            return "|cFFFFFFFF"..format("%.1f",remaining)
        end
        
    end
    
end

end

[junior flume]

Has anyone toyed around with Sould of the shadowblade? Or is the extra talent still not worth?

[rustic onyx]

Is legendary belt overvalued in sim ?

[weak isle]

ye

belt is not that insane

as it looks

i think

i do know that leggo's depends on your gear really

[fluid mist]

Ffs can’t the expec Just drop now I want to start doing stuff

[leaden bloom]

^

[rough charm]

wah wah wah

[potent lintel]

SO WHhats theory behind using elaborate planning rather than master poisoner

[acoustic flame]

Did they nerf fan of knives?

or something

[lone junco]

@potent lintel Ep buffs ruptuee and garrote. Mp does not.

[weak isle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/76zZF1cg9eJ1q88zC9guZA

[fluid mist]

I was actually Very worried about being Very energy starved But That’s not really the case for me.

[acoustic flame]

Thx bois

[lone junco]

Without the heavy Pbomb, mp is less powerful. And mastery squish.

[ivory storm]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bvTZ56PkGPaQSamMZ3fcMC

[wild beacon]

So for PVP... Deeper Strategem vs Vigor?

[ivory storm]

bracers sephuz for some reason

better than insignia

[lone junco]

If you can kick. Seems good.

[potent lintel]

So are we keeping elaborate planning up like surge of toxins?

[lone junco]

If you can. But it takes a lot of crit

[zealous lily]

you want high uptime and to not clip it

[lone junco]

70% is good.

[zealous lily]

you can pool also in some situations and it makes it easier to keep up

[lone junco]

But. It buffs trinkets and anything else.

[solar willow]

did trinket values change?

[lone junco]

Not just poisons.

Yes.

[zealous lily]

everything changed gaara

[lone junco]

Use top gear on your trinket stash. Lock the raid 1000 trinket.

30k iterations

[spare nebula]

cloak + insignia

tfw only heroic tier shoulders

😦

[obtuse robin]

is that on nightly?

[lone junco]

Prob not.

[fluid mist]

Btw do pantheon trinkets/upgrades Still drop?

[plucky drift]

Yes

[uneven summit]

2210022 now?

[ivory storm]

no HB is pretty bad now

PB seems to be the way to go

[spare nebula]

ah yes

[ivory storm]

at least ST

[spare nebula]

not on nightly

one sec

[uneven summit]

2210021?

😛

[prisma carbon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b1kwEFMwFxVbA8rDH2w1Ea

[uneven summit]

i prefer nightstalker over sub still, trying out Blindside, kinda fun

[strange python]

color me stupid but how to you use nightly

[prisma carbon]

looks like cloak is dead

[ivory storm]

options at the bottom

dropdown that lets you chose weekly or nightly

[strange python]

oh

[lone junco]

Garrote dmg is very high on the profile Subterfuge looks really good.

[noble gyro]

how do you set RB to the nightly

[strange python]

look at Husky's reply

[ivory storm]

https://gyazo.com/2fb770939b2bc83e50d7032a54a9e1dd

bottom left

[prisma carbon]

Mantle + Insignia
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qfisH4sDTdha1G2WTM6Ng2

[ivory storm]

yeah seems like legendary options are super varied now

[silk sundial]

@lone junco you said EP buffs garrote damage? The tool tip mentions it buffing finisher damage

[lone junco]

Typically I use 100k as well. It cuts off when it is done. 10k may be low.

[uneven summit]

Boots/Bracer simming low?

[lone junco]

@silk sundial finishers cause the buff. The buff is to all damage.

[strange python]

Bracer only sims high for longer fights now

[obtuse robin]

nvm

[potent lintel]

are yall replacing all the mastery gems with haste?

[lone junco]

Unless I'm smoking crack.

I have haste gear.

[noble gyro]

@ivory storm Ty

[silk sundial]

My bad

[umbral scaffold]

You guys, is there any snapshotting to do rn?

[silk sundial]

I just read it wrong lol

[edgy pebble]

@lone junco how much haste do you have % wise

[fluid mist]

Rip all the haste gear I vendored

[uneven summit]

So whats our statprio now xD

[strange python]

item restore

[lone junco]

I can have anywhere between 2% and 40.

[strange python]

check the pins @uneven summit

[ivory storm]

Haste > Crit > Vers > Mas generally for ST Pellami

[fluid mist]

I know But tbh I cba at this point

[lone junco]

Going to aim for 25%

[spare nebula]

yeah im at 25% haste and crit is simming slightly higher now

[fluid mist]

Done for this expac anyway

[edgy pebble]

insig + Sephuz // Insig + mantle seem to be very close

[ivory storm]

Insign/Sephuz/Mantle/Bracers all seem viable

depending on your off pieces

and your stats

and fight length

[fluid mist]

Cloak is Out of the question?

[ivory storm]

Cloak doesn't seem to be worth it no, unless for niche situations

[prisma carbon]

cloak seems not worth unless eonar/highcommand

[fluid mist]

Sucks. I liked running cloak in m+

[deep beacon]

Got it setup now a ibit the only issue is its kind of boring at the moment.... i mean with no kingsbane to line up or whatever there's a lot of ok, gonna chill for a bit and stuff.

[spare nebula]

🤔

[lone junco]

Sephuz is probably only viable for people with shit low haste.

[amber arrow]

sephuz is best for me with 26% haste

[ivory storm]

im at 21% haste without it and it still sims better

than insignia

[lone junco]

And rip that singed fang. Pretty sure it got tanked

[fluid mist]

HYPE. BOIS

[spare nebula]

orly?

[lone junco]

Can you even proc it on a boss?

[spare nebula]

hrrrm

[shy kestrel]

sleeper tempered egg

[ivory storm]

yeah Singed Fang sucks

[shy kestrel]

:D

[strange python]

nope.

[ivory storm]

rip my 265 one

[spare nebula]

yeah

[ivory storm]

don't even have a Seeping Scourgewing to use though

[silk sundial]

My haste is 7% lol, my only decent trinket was singed fang

[strange python]

just 2% haste and good stats.

[spare nebula]

i dont have a scrougewing either

[fluid mist]

So bloody hyped. Any alliance eu rogues to start a massive gank squad and Wipe org? xD

[lone junco]

If you still have fat mastery and 2% haste. Just try to work with MP tB.

It might be your highest.

[silk sundial]

Yeah, that what I was gonna do until I got higher haste

[lone junco]

And pbomb. Lol

[gusty plinth]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bKzsGvwDPrb8ToWjggdf5J

[umbral scaffold]

Guys, what are the go to pvp talents for assa?

[drifting cloud]

ask in pvp

[silk sundial]

Simmed higher than ep and ct

[uneven summit]

Enchants/gems = haste?

[narrow comet]

great simming with all this haste gear FROM 100 WEEKLY CHESTS

i am entertained..

[leaden bloom]

shoulders/belt sim highest for me

[rustic onyx]

same shoulder/belt is the highest for me

[tender folio]

gotta sim mine now

[leaden bloom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ddNMicTmohhmzTP5HMZgY5

[tough whale]

Shoulder / insig for me

[strange python]

belt/bracers 😄

[silk sundial]

I'm not home to run sims, how is KJBW looking? I heard it was really good in beta

[dapper wraith]

I think it's good for questing?

[weak isle]

belt seems to be off to

i got told

so not sure if it's that correct

but i could be wrong

[tough lantern]

belt/insignia still highest for me

oof i still had CT on god damnit

[vapid moth]

is melee supposed to be 13% of my damage

im really not getting whats going on here :/

maybe details is fucked up

[weak isle]

nah melee's are up there now

pretty sure

[wraith dragon]

tbh i'm confused about sims, i must miss something, did 6 min sim (no buff), did dummy 6 min and there is 80 autoattack morehits and 160 Instant Poisons more hits in favor of sim everything else is pretty much on point

[plucky patio]

Sim runs usually 10k times, you ran one

do it 10k times and it should balance out to be closer

[severe tapir]

indeed

LUL

[plucky patio]

=]

[strange python]

nvm you said no buffs..

[wraith dragon]

how do you explain AA hits ?

when i sim with no bl / haste buff

i dont compare damage here

[tame condor]

anyone aware of any new WA's for all specs?

[plucky patio]

Latency related most likely

[wraith dragon]

for IP sure why not i'm unlucky

but AAs pls

[plucky patio]

whats your in game latency

[wraith dragon]

20

[vapid moth]

i sim for 5.5k yet can barely hold 4k

[uneven summit]

i sim higher with crit/mastery gear on st

wtf

[lone junco]

@wraith dragon also. A 5 min sim is a spread between 4 and 6 mins. So the results are averaged across those iterations.

[wraith dragon]

oh ok

[lone junco]

@uneven summit that happens with different gear than the profile.

[solar willow]

does rotation go back with shoulders?

[uneven summit]

higher than my haste gear Noobe 😛

[noble gyro]

Are people siming single target with PB now instead of HB

[lone junco]

Sounds good. Is that Mp Vig tb pbomb? Shoulder bracer

[civic palm]

I HAVE RETURNED!!

What has changed in the past 12 hours?

[weak isle]

so is CT > Env in AoE?

[strange python]

nightly was updated with cloak and insignia fix

[weak isle]

@civic palm dont get me started

[civic palm]

ty Connor

Insignia fix though?

[leaden elk]

I don't understand why Insignia sims so high, even after the fix

[strange python]

yea it was treated at 30% extra dmg in the sims, but it's actually 15%

[civic palm]

Sure that makes sense.

[lone junco]

25% seems to be ep haste target. Some are getting good results with mp tb crit mastery. Now that cloak is dead

Yeah. Insig at 2% dmg is really lacking.

[vestal wren]

so is a meme now?

[lone junco]

Rip

[tough lantern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3wcfkzGw9K4HcKUoufRv2f

[vestal wren]

if yes, then we have history repeat 😛

[potent lintel]

Oh shit. Draught of souls is simming like crazy

[tough lantern]

belt/insignia still higher for me

[lone junco]

First FOK in m+ last night hit for 12k. Made me sad.

[ripe nimbus]

I'm a meme :)

[civic palm]

Belt SIMs too heavy, always has.

[azure folio]

isn't cloak + HB still a good choice for m+ since we can't change gear ?

[amber sleet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iqfj1byHhy9cj3v5gpNvKq

[lone junco]

Good luck getting a high DOS.

[amber sleet]

Belt insig still highest for me aswell

[lone junco]

Watch my belt bracer exang. Beep beep.

Just need the fight to last into the 2nd vendetta alignment.

[void pecan]

Get out of here with your bleed nonsense

[strange python]

ehttps://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m939NB8ZcqsMKJcj6MnAbD

feelsbadman

[spare nebula]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dCCHebCfDLN6EUAG7d5aG5

[vivid bone]

I can't even hit the 5k

[spare nebula]

so close

mantle + belt

[waxen arch]

5081 highest for me!!!

[vivid bone]

I'm at 4780 ish, 236 ilvl

[lone junco]

Shoulder belt makes for open bomb or bust.

[vivid bone]

I donno man

[waxen arch]

damn im 230

[weak isle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4pubibGpHR5ii2gNxjSSSS

[waxen arch]

wtf

[weak isle]

check this out

[lone junco]

Good luck with that nonsense.

Cleave.

[civic palm]

uhhuh

[weak isle]

the AoE difference

[waxen arch]

lmao

[lone junco]

A 20sec 4t outlaw cleave hits like 17k.

[tough lantern]

what are you guys running for AoE?

[lone junco]

I doubt sin opens that quickly.

Ct.

[green belfry]

Dunno i tried the cloak HB in m+ just now but it seems there is some new go to talents/leggies

[weak isle]

its not good anymore

[lone junco]

Yeah. Go to outlaw.

That blade flurry blade rush.

💯

[waxen arch]

outlaw be gone!!

[green belfry]

Havent changed my color in ages.

[crude junco]

Yo do i spam blindside when the boss gets to 30% or do i mutilate to 3-4 combo points and then use it? pls help

[tender folio]

You dont use blindside

Simple as that

[lone junco]

Dunno about blindside. I heard the numbers weren't worth using. That may change tho.

[strange python]

you dont use bs in prepatch

[lone junco]

Like the gloomblade bros.

[green belfry]

So any m+ talent/leggie suggestions? now that cloak dieded?

[crude junco]

ohh tnx

[tough lantern]

i'm using belt/insignia with CT/subterfuge and my dps is looking alright

for AoE in M+

[weak isle]

^

[green belfry]

I thank you.

[weak isle]

i'm not using belt tho

[green belfry]

Gonna give it a try in the next run

[weak isle]

sephus is the way

[tough lantern]

think i might try sephuz next

[uneven summit]

Haste/mastery - MP, NS, PB seems to work

[civic palm]

NS/MFD/CT probably wins.

[waxen arch]

CT?

[civic palm]

Unless CT onhit has been nerfed AGAIN.

[green belfry]

crimson tempest

[waxen arch]

ahh

[civic palm]

also, requires higher keys where things don't just fall over.

[green belfry]

@civic palm would you go with EP then or MP?

[tough lantern]

what is a "high" key right now? i was doing 19's last night not much issue

[civic palm]

I was gonna say that EP wins in sustained, but due to the heavy AGI weights, MP might win from DP damage scaling?

[tender folio]

So many stuff to sim QQ

[green belfry]

Probably. Gonna have to test. So standard would be to MFD and open with CT?

[gusty anvil]

tempest or PB in m+?

[weak isle]

MFD that good?

im using vigor

[vestal wren]

MfD seems goon for m+

[wheat crypt]

22

[weak isle]

could see why ye

alright thnx

[vestal wren]

did anyone sim back with ct vs. Hb for add fight?

[uneven summit]

boots out of the question?

[silk sundial]

I think mfd is better if you have a lower crit stat, but if you are getting mut crits a lot then vigor would be better?

[weak isle]

no just checked pb or ct

[civic palm]

If you are Sub and not NS you might be see gains from MFD>CT, and Garroting as much as you can.

[weak isle]

i will sim hb ct

[tough lantern]

boots in trash can from what i understand now that we dont have relics

[vestal wren]

with lego back if possible, i am curiose how HB turns out now

[civic palm]

Boots are dumpster due to huge CD on Vendetta.

[quaint sequoia]

belt+insignia sims best for me, does belt sim correctly?

[weak isle]

simming now

[junior flume]

@vestal wren i thought there had already been sims with back and HB after the nightly build. Am i wrong?

[uneven summit]

boots sim very well for me

[potent lintel]

Why does seeping scourgewing replace fangs?

[tropic talon]

bc its better

[vestal wren]

if so, i missed them

[vapid moth]

lol even my sims aint correct

[pulsar pewter]

has anyone seen the 75th percentile global warcraftlogs so far, assassination fucking killing it

what a shit show lmao

[wheat crypt]

so sin is the worst of rogue atm ?

[weak isle]

sin is 1 of the strongest rn not?

almost done @vestal wren

[civic palm]

Scourgewing has Haste

[weak isle]

with simming

[tropic talon]

it was before the cloak + HB fix

[ripe nimbus]

What scourgewing has vers

[rose shadow]

Hey guys, does anyone have like a little cheat sheet to the new changes?

[empty tide]

@wheat crypt http://prntscr.com/k84pjk

[vapid moth]

so why am i hitting for way less than i sim

[civic palm]

Why did I think haste? w/e

procs are strong due to our idiotic amount of haste

[weak isle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vUiACsWCwMKGg819VCniGs @vestal wren

this is my sim

[spice frost]

is hero damage updated for the hb/cloak change? Looks the same as yesterday. what legens you guys runnin?

[weak isle]

yes

[vestal wren]

nice so HB is a meme in aoe again

[weak isle]

cloak and ravenholdt are both fixed

[vestal wren]

👍

[weak isle]

ye it seems to be bad for me

dunno bout other their sims

[junior flume]

wtf 8k on single target? O.o

[weak isle]

its AoE

[ripe nimbus]

That's not st

[tough lantern]

hectic that is aoe

[steep citrus]

they are fixed in raidbots. i was told generating new stuff for hero damage takes a while

[weak isle]

with hectic add cleave

[vestal wren]

its add cleave

[obtuse garnet]

what about nightstalker + CT and opening out of stealth with full cb points. thought it would snapshot

[ripe nimbus]

Use ur peepers

[junior flume]

Ahh okay

[steep citrus]

or is hero damage caught up too?

[tough lantern]

Why is the rogue discord the only competent one? lol

[slow stag]

best talents atm?

[civic palm]

Snapshotting CT with NS is pointless as the ON HIT damage from CT is still too high IIRC.

[vestal wren]

10 hours of sims XD aethys is 🔥 his PC

[vapid moth]

its competent but heartless

[civic palm]

I might have to get those potatoes on my server farm =\

[spice frost]

neck enchant, claw or hidden satyr?

[strange python]

rotation plz

[weak isle]

jezus xD

pins are a good start people

[civic palm]

READ PINSREAD PINSREAD PINSREAD PINSREAD PINSREAD PINSREAD PINSREAD PINSREAD PINSREAD PINSREAD PINSREAD PINSREAD PINS

[tired gull]

can someone play my rogue for me so i don't have to put any effort in whatsoever?

[worthy hill]

😛

[nocturne gate]

@spice frost satyr simms for me better then clas

claw

[steep citrus]

rotation plz. pressbuton plz. i open my mouth, you vomit in rogue, plz

[obtuse garnet]

with new nightly bracers are simming higher than ravenholdt ring hm

[weak isle]

neck enchant is either satyr or claw

depends on your sim

[spice frost]

@nocturne gate thank you

[weak isle]

i have claw > satyr

[sudden ravine]

Does anyone know what pins we should be using

[steep citrus]

i'm on pins and needles

[civic palm]

This one .

[wispy apex]

Why use Insignia on hectic add cleave though?

[quaint sequoia]

belt+insignia sims best for me, does belt sim correctly?

[civic palm]

Because it fucking cleaves?

[wispy apex]

But shouldnt you use fok?

[civic palm]

Belt has never SIM'd correctly in the past.

[copper sinew]

@quaint sequoia No

[tough lantern]

Multilate > FoK for cleave with insignia?

[civic palm]

Hectic does not mean CONSTANT.

[weak isle]

belt always on top of sims

so i'm ignoring it xD

[civic palm]

and ring is literally perfect stats.

[weak isle]

ring is really good

[vestal wren]

what ring, we have 4

[junior flume]

Wow, so weird with the new changes. Really a lot slower O.o

Ravenholdt ring

[weak isle]

ravenholdt

hahaha

[vestal wren]

2x ravenholdt

XD

[weak isle]

ye dude

[civic palm]

yesplz

[weak isle]

broken

[junior flume]

Yea just stack 'em 😉

[weak isle]

i mean grand army seems do-able

[vestal wren]

i mean we have 10 fingers why do we only use 2 rings

[civic palm]

noty

[weak isle]

2% yo

[copper sinew]

@vestal wren I have 5 only, what doooo

[vestal wren]

one armed bandid?

[safe crescent]

People's been taking Master Assassin and replacing shoulders with Bootsa

[junior flume]

Horrible horse riding accident Romp? 😛

[copper sinew]

That's correct

[safe crescent]

How's that simmed?

[copper sinew]

Just sim it yourself Popaye 😄

[safe crescent]

My gear isn't the gear you wanna sim

[copper sinew]

@junior flume I wish it was something fun like that

[weak isle]

shoulders are bad

MA is not great either

[civic palm]

bad and yet, still top simming.