don't you want those traits
#assassination
lunar agate
icy iris
โค
quick ice
army super bad because no cruclbe anymore
ocean nebula
"ye but insig not correct ofc" what does that mean?
marble hemlock
not the NLC ring, that ones dung
marble hemlock
yes
so you look at how much damage the effect did
and take away half that damage
jovial kite
its not much btw
marble hemlock
and then you know how valuable it still is
and as slack just said, its not much
150dps, tops
marble hemlock
usually less, around 100 for most people
strange python
lord of the rings XD
sacred ore
So I should use blindside instead of Mutilate when the target is below 30% health?
weak isle
ye same Orginality
marble hemlock
got 245 autoattack ring, so cant play double ring legendaries ๐ฆ
royal bronze
Don't forget guys Sephuz assumes all procs
Which are pretty hard to do in a raid environment
strange python
i mean i got 985 argus ring but mastery is kinda trash now so ๐ 2x ring sounds fun but since insig is a bit overrated from sims
royal bronze
I'm running insig+bracers in raid I'll see how my logs compare
marble hemlock
whatever sims highest for you, is best for you. mileage may vary HEAVILY depending on the rest of the gear you have available
solid nova
@sacred ore no only when it procs
marble hemlock
theres probably someone out there who uses helmet+legs because those are actually "bis" for that dude
solid nova
Bs is dps loss anyway talent wise
lunar agate
ah
kindred ivy
strange python
can you gearswap still in m+ now or is this already in effect now?
quick ice
in effect, no swaps
lunar agate
I thought BFA=prepatch. are there changes on the beta?
sacred ore
guys is raidbots up to date?
ember verge
Is Assassin Rogue still pulling out huge damage compared to the other specs this prepatch ?
sacred ore
8.0.1
quick ice
mostly @sacred ore
sacred ore
thanks
strange python
@sacred ore if you select nightly build it has pre patch but doesnt have fok fiasco nerfs
shrewd night
@lunar agate The text actually has the text 'pre patch' in it, I cant help you further than that
strange python
^ are you like...the rogue version of azorathion?
shrewd night
Depends if you ask questions that answer themselves or not.
lunar agate
Are we talking about the same text MA
lunar agate
Ye but HB got nerfed
shrewd night
What does that have to do with blindside
weak pine
We stack haste now right?
weak isle
haste = good now
warm parcel
Sepuz is noproc in sim @jovial kite
So obvs if you can time the proc on clock, sepuz is insane
steep obsidian
might fiddle with it on dung trash
lunar agate
cause I think MP is better and not EP
weak pine
Do we go haste enchants and gems now as well?
shrewd night
What you feel and think isnt relevant unless you can back it up with sims
strange python
@weak pine sim yourself and you see your stat weights
weak isle
if i exclude insig from my sim, prydas sephus sims highest
lunar agate
I see the problem
solid nova
Do you really
strange python
there's a lot of not so passive aggressiveness in this discord lol ๐ฟ
royal bronze
I wouldn't trust sephuz, it assumes you proc it almost on cd
shrewd night
Talent build isnt implying anything. Its just talents. If they apply to you or not is up to you simming the build to your gear and character.
royal bronze
Which is difficult in a raid environment
shrewd night
frail gate
You only have to spend 3 mins in the discord to figure out who you should server mute to make this channel far better @strange python
warm parcel
I literally said
20 sec ago
Sep is noproc in sim
And
With procs on cd, its insane
shrewd night
You have to say it again weak
solid nova
And again
strange python
i'm relatively new here, and new to rogue
warm parcel
Its not a disable no
strange python
hello new rogue here, sephuz is best legend right?
shrewd night
Nice try Zery
warm parcel
No it doesnt
strange python
hence
warm parcel
Sp uses silence/bomb for sepuz
strange python
the I thought*
warm parcel
It has to be "hard" cc
strange python
gotcha gotcha
warm parcel
Root is like the lowest tier cc that procs it
exotic glen
warm parcel
Ye, why
obsidian edge
what trigger me the most is not even about the spec its about removing full screen windowed mode ? why doing that? I can see my desktop anymore fck this
clever vapor
Which 2 legendaries should I use now? I heard bracers are bad and cape is bis?
cloud venture
is there a haste cap right now?
lunar agate
@obsidian edge wym
lunar agate
also #off-topic
kindred ivy
Pls i Love this meme
lunar agate
show the pic
wintry kayak
guys undead best race ? ๐ฎ
wintry kayak
i like tauren to
kindred ivy
Mag har God tier 
solid nova
Play which one makes you happier
shrewd night
playing the richard race would make me happy
wintry kayak
well i am undead, but i never see undead on top lol
solid nova
@shrewd night you can have it
Along with my dms with questions
And I wonder why I'm balding
shrewd night
@solid nova 
humble crane
Mythic argus sure is fun atm rofl
lunar agate
what's up with it
short oak
can I just clarify, when under talent choices that say 0, what does that mean
shrewd night
Free for all
quasi flower
atomicad u suck
humble crane
Tanks get smashed
solid nova
It means it's ffa
quasi flower
are u stupid
icy iris
@short oak pick what u want
humble crane
But we got it to 25%
solid nova
Subjective to your choice mate
humble crane
so its killable
kindred ivy
Yeah Not looking forward to Raid when everything is broken and people dont know how to play ๐ค
slim estuary
im in raid right now and dont know what to do
short oak
thx to those who helped ๐
gleaming prism
Nice! Finally new progress. Was getting bored of just farming antorus ๐ค
solid nova
Go wild mate you'll be fine
clever vapor
Are wrist really bad now? I can't decide which leggies to use, I have sephuz, insignia, wrist, head, burning wish, back and enough WE for 1 legendary
solid nova
^
shrewd night
Pick the mantle talent, and use mantle for 150% crit chance
quasi flower
Still higher for me personally
clever vapor
So which legendary is second best?
lunar agate
nah
shrewd night
lunar agate
doubt it
clever vapor
I'd rather not have 150% crit though
strange python
oh snap, is mantle redundant now? >.>
dry relic
rogue assa hate is the best for 8.0?
sand whale
yes there's a lot of assa hate
sharp pond
i welcome the hate
dry relic
is not fake ?
shrewd night
For singletarget, yes
quick ice
at least for him ๐
shrewd night
^
sharp pond
damn, really gotta start going for haste now, interesting
frail gate
I just checked with removing hb/cloak interaction and thats my highest simming combination with the ep/pb build
sharp pond
should be fun!
lunar agate
does haste affect energy? I don't remember
urban drift
Hmm so if we take subterfuge there is no need to vanish envenom any more is there?
frail gate
Yes haste affects energy regen
royal lantern
bleeds tick faster=more energy from venomous wounds
frail gate
No vanish is always done into garrote with subterfuge
quick ice
directly and indirectly, even ๐
zenith trellis
remember last patch when youd get haste mastery gear and youd instantly delete it?
sharp pond
i like this ๐
zenith trellis
yea me too....... fuck
quick ice
haste crit gear pls
sharp pond
time to fight ferals for gear
urban drift
but in our opener we use garrote first so the vanish isn't needed in the opener?
elder crystal
i deleted a lot of haste mastery gear ๐ฆ
strange python
sooo if there is 2 targets what would the build be then ?
sharp pond
i'm honestly excited!
frail gate
You guys can go into your help section on your account and restore old gear you vendored/deleted if you got rid of good haste pieces
sharp pond
alot of people may hate this but im geeked
quick ice
I can't, transferred recently and that kills restore apparently ๐ฆ
short pivot
Sin is ded, change my mind...
urban drift
Sin isn't dead, change mine.....
sharp pond
i'll revive it then
vernal atlas
where is sin ded? it feels super nice
royal lantern
3%haste ftw
solid nova
@sharp pond outlaw rank here is yellow
sharp pond
welp nvm dont wanna take that from them 
mellow pier
Patreon
shrewd night
Top patreon tier, instant simming 
mellow pier
Ur welcome
quasi flower
Wanna pay for me?
mellow pier
U cant afford $3
quasi flower
No
mellow pier
Feelsbad
shrewd night
Thats like.. A subway
quasi flower
wtf
mellow pier
Prob should get off wow and find a job my dude
vestal wren
just use raidbots
limpid perch
question, the build in the guide suggests taking exsanguinate but all the rotation stuff has toxic blade in it?
shrewd night
wuh, where does it say to take exsang?
vestal wren
it does suggest using TB
quick ice
doesn't say exsanguinate anywhere?
limpid perch
which is not toxic blade
slim estuary
Frostmourne just died
lunar agate
it's an example
mellow pier
Id wait for more info
quartz depot
stop looking at bleed sims
mellow pier
Lot of hotfixes and changes
quick ice
@slim estuary OCE as a whole died
steep obsidian
it did not
wet pond
does it make sense to enchant neck with mark of the clow since the haste and crit are better than mastery now, and what is cooldown for mark of the claw proc?
slim estuary
yeah but no one plays on anything except frostmourne
shrewd night
@limpid perch 2210022
steep obsidian
cael and barth are up fine
shrewd night
Shows tb for me
wheat zealot
You sons a bitches crashed raidbots :pepehands:
limpid perch
i wasnt doing a bleed sim just looking at guide
lemme bring it up again
Thank you @shrewd night
quasi flower
Who broke raidbots, come on guys
quick ice
dw, I'm sure seri will have lights flashing on all his devices to come and fix it
lunar agate
https://i.imgur.com/B6qohJc.png samantha meant this
sand whale
that's an explanation of how the numbers work
strange python
is raidbots broken? lmao
twin prism
kinda
ember verge
rip can't use raidbot :p
quartz depot
is hidden satyr broken or do we take mark of the claw
twin prism
hidden satyr
mossy light
Anyone else was using infectious gaming WAs? Mines only tracking buffs on myself and not debuffs on target, anyone have a quick fix?
twin prism
100%
solid nova
@mossy light Just needs to wait for an update unless you know how to produce the WAs yourself mate.
mossy light
@solid nova they're patreon only nowdays ๐
spare cloud
Unlucky
warped siren
is this true? haste?
solid nova
No, the pins are lying
quasi flower
They're misleading us so they have higher logs.
warped siren
figures!
spare cloud
The theorycrafters are spreading lies on purpose so they can get good logs while everyone else cant
๐
quasi flower
๐ค
vestal wren
stat wigths - best to sim yoself
quasi flower
@vestal wren its almost like the pins say that too!
mossy light
Alot of scrolling today, its almost asif its prepatch ๐
open reef
raidbots is broken now ?
strange python
Yep
mossy light
Yeah
quasi flower
ye
serene elbow
i miss @frosty robin he was trustworthy ๐ฆ
open reef
too many sims ?
quasi flower
got down to 158 and now im stuck ๐ฆ
"Raidbots is currently unavailable. Servers are probably on fire. Try again later"
supple mesa
So when playing with subterfuge its best to wait till 6 seconds of garrot to reapply it?
supple mesa
Or do you just pop vanish and garrot after vendeta
vernal knoll
what you guys rate ass mage tower appearance out of 10
quasi flower
insig + cinid
solid nova
@supple mesa Yes
supple mesa
Donโt use cind๐
solid nova
Vanish and reapply at 6
supple mesa
Richard yes to what?
ocean nebula
insig + cinid hahaha people think this is higgh class troll but its true xD
alpine copper
but why cinid?
shrewd pine
@solid nova is Kingsbane legendary any good?
supple mesa
I have never face palmed so hard
solid nova
Probably
Id check the pins though
Just to be sure
@supple mesa Np, its in the pins too
supple mesa
Cin sims arenโt accurate
tender folio
And rip Raidbots
quick ice
I mean, depends on your definition of accurate tbh
tender folio
Its down
quick ice
its less helpful than other legendaries, that much I'll say
not many bosses where the hard part is 100-90%
supple mesa
Overall dps will suffer I wouldnโt even say cin is best in farm bosses
brisk forge
Hell no
frail gate
Yeah my sim is optimized to the best gear I have, however I do not have as much haste as I could want and a lot of my off pieces are still mastery ones, and I do not have a scourgewing
supple mesa
Like idk why this even has to be discussed ๐
quick ice
so many people opening up that 100-90 is probably the shortest 10% by far
lots of people don't add cini to sims because of it
supple mesa
Exactly
quick ice
note that herodamage defaults to cini sims hidden
supple mesa
Also optimal opener with subterfuge would be like garrot mut rupt vendetta tb mut env fillet then vanish refresh garrot in pandemic right?
Iโve never played with sub up until now
frail gate
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/69wrJ8LVyWR1K3Yz#fight=40&type=damage-done Don't trust sims then, trust the pull
craggy berry
spare cloud
Yes
royal lantern
do you use Crimson tempest on st? or just stick with pb(pls not)
quick ice
almost certainly pb for pure ST
strange python
is there a working sephuz wa again?
frail gate
@royal lantern Pb feels a lot nicer now in my opinion, I'm getting procs on procs on procs
deep beacon
Just make one
supple mesa
Dmg is less tho:3
frail gate
Yeah but its faster
deep beacon
buff - sephuz's secret can use tMW for the internal cooldown tracker as well
frail gate
so tanks cant move shit out of your pb procs lol
royal lantern
well, legion pb was just bullshit, get 4 procs in your opening=top dps, nobody will ever beat you again cus of a proc lul
supple mesa
Well
frail gate
Actually if you got 4 procs on opener and then no procs after youd still get beat
frail gate
Who ever got the most concordance/pbomb procs with the best uptime/maximization with cds lining up would top the chart
If you got a concordance proc with a pb on a 9 second kingsbane tb vanish envenom, you were soaring
elder crystal
so zoldyck's are rubbish now? I got them only 3-4 days before the damn prepatch
supple mesa
Sim yourself
sharp pond
oh dang, since haste is a thing now, exsanguinate will be pretty crazy
arctic venture
haste is really a thing now?
stray inlet
quick question: is back still our 2nd best legendary after with the sticky info?
and insignia ring?
arctic venture
about the caps?
sharp pond
alright sir
solid nova
@arctic venture There are none.
whole canyon
What do you think guys, poison bomb or crimson tempest for M+? Looks like tempest deals more damage overall.
quick ice
CT for sure
stray inlet
ok thanks, luckily the 1st 4 legys i have are shoulder boots cloak and insignia
stray inlet
i have 2k essences for 2 tokens
whole canyon
thanks.
frail gate
You can buy specific legendaries now
arctic venture
about the legendary? now is bracer and ring?
frail gate
dont have to gamble for a random one
whole canyon
I wonder if it works with wrists leggy, would've been awesome.
royal lantern
@frail gate yeha, your right, PB with the higher proc chance feels WAY better
regal solar
My PB never procs
ocean nebula
@regal solar did u skill it `? its a talent now ;D
azure hearth
what legendarys are you bois gonna use once bfa hits?
regal solar
@ocean nebula yeah ofc
gritty quarry
Wait so is poison bomb not that great of a talent anymore
gritty quarry
Does it get outclassed hidden blades?
gritty quarry
Didn't mean it like that
frail gate
Yeah its way nicer, I wish it was a dot on them that gave off like a poisonous aura around them but 2 seconds isnt that bad
gritty quarry
Meant the difference in dps
whole canyon
Poison bomb on single target is like 3% or something, way less than before.
Meh.
It could've been like 20% before I think.
frail gate
Check pins, hb/cloak are no longer as viable as they were after the hotfix last night
gritty quarry
I just really enjoy it being proc'd
scarlet hawk
20% Is what I'd call decent rng LUL
cosmic prism
its 4% per combo point its still 20%
warm beacon
ppl cant count
gritty quarry
Poison bombs sound is so nice
whole canyon
Yea, true.
gritty quarry
But is it outclassed by hidden blades?
whole canyon
Fan of knives + cloak though.. = 12k crit from stealth
regal solar
But PB is like 3-4% of your dps :/
whole canyon
Some M+ runs had poison bomb as #1 damage dealer ๐
solid nova
Well thats because AoE
regal solar
PB even on mono was insane
warm beacon
Single atrget is pretty strong too
gritty quarry
Alright well im just going to keep using it because it looks/sounds cool and I love the talent
trail cave
which leggys do you use for trash in m+? mantel + ?
regal solar
@whole canyon i just made a 40K+ ๐
drifting cosmos
cape
supple mesa
You canโt switch gear in m+
drifting cosmos
well now you cant swap gears
scenic quail
PB was like a 7-9% avg, definitely down to like a ~3%ish avg now
masssive drop in dmg. All the tier 7 talents feel weak as fuck right now
drifting cosmos
CT feels pretty good actually
trail cave
so i still use insignia + cape? or is mantle + cape still better due to trash?
supple mesa
Ct is hype but itโs base dmg with get nerfed
supple mesa
Bro you pick a gear set up for a dungeon thatโs it
drifting cosmos
i mean shoulder
supple mesa
You canโt swap
lusty narwhal
did we decide what bis is
supple mesa
Sim yourself
drifting cosmos
more like its different for everyone
gritty quarry
What about toxic blade vs exsanguinate?
supple mesa
I quit
royal lantern
how do you use CT on st? re-apply everytime its about too run out?
supple mesa
Gnight all๐
gritty quarry
I thought there was a bleed build and a poison build
twin prism
im using cloak and ring. with 3122212 talents. can someone tell me what they think about this? it seems to be working fine?
gritty quarry
Is that not a thing anymore now
twin prism
its still working pretty well even though its nerfed
twin prism
yeah but the bot is broken :feelsbadman:
solid nova
Yeah too many sims
strange python
what is the breakpoint for haste? because with X% haste, crit > haste
supple mesa
Sim
quick ice
no actual breakpoint, the crossover point is variable depending on all your other stats
if you have low crit, the crossover will be at a lower haste
strange python
well kk but atm i have 43% crit and 25 % haste and my statweight crit>haste
gritty quarry
So in terms of playstyle what will more likely be used Toxic blade or exsanguinate idk about stats rn
solid nova
strange python
yy so why i ask if breakpoint haste exist or not^^
solid nova
It does not
Its variable on your own gear in terms of when haste becomes more valuable than crit
strange python
kk ty
arctic venture
Richard, which legendary we u using now?
whole canyon
Wait you can't switch gear in M+ now?
strange python
y new BFA rules
solid nova
@arctic venture Its going to vary from person to person, as it always has done. For you personally, I dont know. Raidbots it down atm so you need to wait for it to come back up.
whole canyon
Yea well then for tyrannical it's always gonna be wrists right.
arctic venture
right, @solid nova
ah another question is, the relics now are just made for ilevel?
lone junco
Yes.
solid nova
^
lone junco
I don't have a good bind for blind side. I guess I'll put it where Kb was.
arctic venture
hehe, thatยดs sounds good, because I have like 5 980 (old)
and equipped 3 950
lol
lone junco
I really wish it just changed mut
Same on the relics. I kept some old shit.
@tribal shuttle no
tribal shuttle
@lone junco pls? ๐
silk sundial
I feel like haste has a soft cap for our builds. At a certain point haste will provide more energy regen than we can use.
solid nova
@tribal shuttle Delete
primal sigil
CT should be used on ST ? no right ?
quick ice
yep, at about 130% you're generating enough to be GCD capped for 2-3min
vernal knoll
have any one experimented with exsanguinate? is there an info on how it interacts with crimson blade and rupture??
hardy forge
Whats the haste - time between DoT ticks ratio? How exactly does that work? Does bleed tick more often or is it just shorter time with the same amounts of ticks as before the changes?
obsidian loom
Bleeds will tick more often @hardy forge
hardy forge
The duration stays the same then, right?
queen epoch
can we get rid of the giant aura from Blindside procs?
obsidian loom
The first breakpoint will probably be whenever you get an extra tick from rupture and garrote
if there are any
next ingot
ey guys, do you know if the belt buckles bug has been fixed?
quick ice
you get partial ticks @obsidian loom
obsidian loom
But yeah, sims are most likely best bet. I should have saved all the haste gear ><
arctic venture
talents guys?
obsidian loom
Ooh, nice
solid nova
obsidian loom
@arctic venture play with it and find out what you like
snow hamlet
@next ingot what's this?
obsidian loom
Because it doesn't matter atm
next ingot
according to reddit, you can use old belt buckles in new belts, since the ilvl of them is very low now
magic zenith
They hotfix dreadlords yet? lol
arctic venture
stats weight?
shrewd night
About 12 hours ago yes, luebbers
arctic venture
at moment?
solid nova
Also pins
shrewd night
Sim yourself
solid nova
And sims
shrewd night
for fucks sakes
snow hamlet
lol
solid nova
Your stat weights are defined from your sims
hoary copper
๐ฟ
obsidian loom
Hay gaiz, how 4 I mine with fish?
solid nova
Prepatch hasnt changed that
lament dove
sims? I thought this was world of warcraft
solid nova
Sims 11
steep obsidian
lol did we ddos raidbots ouf of action
quick ice
something like that
next ingot
steep obsidian
"sim it"
unborn turtle
whats everyons talent setups
lament dove
you can sim with simcraft yourself
unborn turtle
master poisoner?
solid nova
quasi pewter
people selling belt buckles for 20k ea on my realm
snow hamlet
lol,idiot bug
next ingot
indeed, will be fixed very soon
shell canopy
Not a bug, just forgot to change that
next ingot
lol, thats a bug
shell canopy
Then it would always been a bug
obsidian loom
Oversight =/= bug because lack of coffee
steep obsidian
not gonna pay gold for that when they prolly gonna hotfix it out :\
although they will probably leave existing ones
vernal adder
Wtf is my game bugged? All my gear has lowered stats!
vernal knoll
@lone junco why is it not taken for PvE tho
shell canopy
They just didn't change the iLvL requirement for the buckle. Not a bug, just an oversight on their part.
vernal knoll
is sustained dmg more desirable than burst ?
next ingot
oversight is the mistake, the bug is the consequence
lone junco
@vernal knoll I will sim it with my gear tonight. But it started out low.
I played exang main for like 5months in legion. So I'll do what I can.
vernal knoll
gotcha gotcha thanks
unreal coyote
rupture and garrote WAs still fux'd -.-
lone junco
But if it doesn't line up with vendetta. It's not going to be top dps.
vernal adder
whole WA is ass for me atm
humble crane
World second mythic argus prepatch bois, and I had one leggo on for the pull by accident rofl
silk sundial
@humble crane how is the raid prepatch? Easier or harder?
humble crane
Tanks get shit on for argus
unreal coyote
is it a spell id issue why rupture isnt tracking on WAs any more?
humble crane
1 leggo parse new meta bois -.-
silk sundial
I ditched my old WA and used a newer 8.0 one and its tracking Rupture. I don't like it as much but it works for now
unreal coyote
i have updated WAs
but not changed the aura itself
i would really rather not
well to clarify i would rather update the current aura than change to another set etc
rugged snow
@humble crane what site is that again
zealous lily
so far twinkle damage not that much different but tank damage is very high
scarlet hawk
next ingot
@humble crane How is the haste trinket's proc performing?
atomic creek
Anyone else having a problem with the Master Assassin talent not working?
snow hamlet
@atomic creek it's working
quick ice
what do you mean not working?
atomic creek
When I have it chosen it doesn't give me the crit chance
jovial kite
final minmax
pseudo hamlet
Any guide for 8.0 nab?
lean hill
Is simc working for people? The command wont come up in game
shell canopy
Working for me
brazen garden
yeah it works
zealous lily
nice jeweled signet
main blaze
Maybe you disabled the addon
lean hill
Naw it's there and enabled
main blaze
and updated?
atomic creek
Hm, I'm stealthed and don't have the 50% extra crit chance
main blaze
idk works for me. Must be another addon you have interfering
lone junco
@jovial kite finally got to ditch the 2p20
lean hill
God damn, I'll have to figure it out today. Such a piss off having to log off then back to sim specs
Sin is like 6500 but I could probably optimize a bit more, though so far I fucking hate the play with the cloak
still pewter
Is belt bis for sin?
sudden brook
idk sim urself and find out
still pewter
Whats a sim
sudden brook
.
frosty linden
Lul
lean hill
Cloak fixed in what way, doesnt stack with HB?
versed estuary
It's a character in a game you can place in a pool and take away the ladder
sudden brook
cloak stacks differently so it sucks
humble crane
Lux trollin cause he got rank 1 for mythic argus with belt ๐
lean hill
Oh no I'm one of them
humble crane
Imagine having one legendary on skwig
exotic rampart
^
humble crane
feels bad man
main blaze
Oh
humble crane
was poppin off all night too rofl
still pewter
Why does belt sim so bad, but its really good
Thats weird
its like sims dont take into account how youa ctually play the game
lean hill
Because the stronger we get the less it takes to get past the first 10%
solid nova
Because it cant determine raid DPS
lean hill
If you're with a heavy burst group itll be useless
solid nova
For the % its buffed for
humble crane
Belts bis, but what you do is, you intentionally equip just one leggo for the kill pull to try force meta to 1 leggo...
exotic rampart
yea tell people to slow dps in p1 argus mythic
crisp yacht
algun espaรฑolยฟ
humble crane
Meh, me and sxul were bursting around 12-13k with belt on argus
exotic rampart
monka S
humble crane
The burst is nuts on argus, first 10% lasts a good amount
whole canyon
Poison bomb 5.9% in EoA just now, mutilate was only 3.4%
steep obsidian
yeah back in the day belt was good for me on helya coz it had a lot of hp
argus prolly the sam
most bosses you burst through stupid fast
whole canyon
oh and 6.9% main hand I guess.
crisp yacht
algun espaรฑolยฟ
whole canyon
My fan of knives did more than poison bomb and I didn't use cloak or talent at all.
Meh.
whole canyon
and I had some really juicy procs let me tell you.. burst 10K and stuff.
sudden brook
LOLL
solid nova
Why is that surprising overall in M+
whole canyon
Kinda bummer, gonna try tempest next time.
solid nova
AoE talent in AoE situation = Good
ST talent in AoE situation = Bad
sudden brook
i dont believe you
royal lantern
you just blew my mind
undone hill
solid nova
I promise it works ๐ญ
sudden brook
is that a feely craft or a real life
royal lantern
so, your telling me that luck with pb procs in legion=top dps on aoe?
sudden brook
no
whole canyon
If FoK did that much then heck, with cloak and fan talent it should be so good.
crisp yacht
yep tryan
in legion yes
but with tempest
u only have to do 1 time and u have all objectives with debuff
whole canyon
And can spam ruptures and FoK on top of that.
royal lantern
its a aoe skill, ofc it is good in aoe lol
crisp yacht
then u should play as PB
whole canyon
FoK out of stealth with the cloak and then 5 cp tempest? Heeeecckkkk yea
crisp yacht
not in FOK
mossy light
@strange python pins
sudden brook
Warlock @strange python
crisp yacht
xD
strange python
Im just retarded
crisp yacht
true
strange python
@solid nova
crisp yacht
xD
sudden brook
why dont u read whats already provided
strange python
It says nothing in pins tho ??
zealous lily
with argus the big damage is really back loaded because of titanforge
and you dont get that many buff stacks at 100-90%
rancid palm
anyone else having issues with raidbots?
zealous lily
it's down lando
sudden brook
no, its only you
crisp yacht
ye lando
rancid palm
oh i thought it came back up again.
crisp yacht
everybody got some bug on everywhere
lone junco
@steep obsidian when i wore belt in tomb, I called lust at 89%. It was pretty good. For me.
zealous lily
it did. it's down as of a few minutes ago
crisp yacht
blizzard will fix
sudden brook
u ready for bfa launch
solid nova
Nope
solid nova
Ill mute the server for bfa launch lol
sudden brook
whats the best warlock spec bfa damage
sudden brook
.
rancid palm
"sim yourself" -guy 2018
lean hill
Yea totally stack mastery as high as possible
sudden brook
3000% mastery
crisp yacht
rlly?
lean hill
Dont take any haste
sudden brook
5000
dire spoke
5000.04
ocean nebula
read the pins dude
quick ice
pins are too confusing though
crisp yacht
what mean pinsยฟ?
rancid palm
its in the top of discord @crisp yacht looks like a thumbtack
ocean nebula
on top u should see a Pin
dire spoke
rancid palm
probably has a red dot for you
dire spoke
whole canyon
no master poisoner? But poisons deal top 2 damage!
glass cloud
yup, haste lol. Granted right now we gotta wait for the new build . Was nice seeing that 10-13k crit FoK though haha.
winter cliff
assassination so strong and broke in pvp XD
still pewter
@humble crane Back is good apparentyl i play my class wrong
queen epoch
is there any way to disable the damn giant aura that shows up in your face when blindside procs?
normal fable
@whole canyon Not any more
smoky fable
normal fable
@queen epoch Not sure, but i like that, I would have just found an addon that does that for me anyway
Welcome to what almost every other class gets haha
peak sapphire
normal fable
Rogues first proc ๐
queen epoch
:c
lone junco
@crisp yacht haste is high because you dont have any. once you get to 20% it will probably drop below crit. but it depends on your oranges.
queen epoch
muh minimalism
lone junco
@queen epoch just dont take blindside, and there is no proc
normal fable
Nah function! ๐
serene plaza
At 21% hate it was still my highest but much closer in value
gaunt flower
@queen epoch Turn off spell alert opacity
serene plaza
Haste, Hate, same thing tbh
normal fable
I like that it fits perfectly inside my icehud
cursive hatch
At 23% haste dropped below crit and agi for me
ripe bramble
After about 325 haste, I sim crit a bit higher than haste. Cinidaria+Insignia.
elder crystal
sim at 4000, rip my shit gear
bright wasp
So, what are the leggos I should get first if i dont have any?
lone junco
shoulder
sudden brook
insignia, every spec uses it now
queen epoch
@gaunt flower will try that, ty
crisp yacht
sorry but im not good english can u explain more slowly?
cursive hatch
shoulders is best for leveling
lone junco
if you are going to use it to level to 115. shoulder is best.
crisp yacht
should i go haste right now?
cinder yoke
did they fix the insignia damage on raidbots
lone junco
@crisp yacht haste is no longer a dead stat. get some. dont really need a lot.
shell canopy
For leveling Shoulders and Nightstalker?
bright wasp
@cursive hatch Better than cloak?
sudden brook
cloaks been nerfed
strange python
what do you mean "fix the insignia dmg"?
cinder yoke
sim was running it at 30%, ingame it is 15%
crisp yacht
@lone junco haste now increse the dot venom?
lone junco
bleed ticks
strange python
really?
lone junco
please read the patch notes. or something
strange python
Should i get all haste and go Shoulders/Insignia?
lone junco
afk
strange python
I thought something was up with insignia.
fair charm
serene plaza
Should I get str since it gives me atk power??
fair charm
fixed up a WA group for all rogue specs
cinder yoke
it's still among the top leogs
solid nova
Sim and actual fight lengths are different?
bright wasp
@serene plaza lmao
fair charm
feel free to use it (it's based on Ipse's)
solid nova
Ofcourse damage % are going to vary
sudden brook
guys whats the best outlaw rogue spec
snow hamlet
Insignia for assassination in pre-patch is 15%?
cinder yoke
probably come down to like insig, bracer, sephuz, shoulders combo
deep beacon
Just sad that you are locked into a M+ gearset lol
cinder yoke
if you're looking to kill argus, bracers would end up being a better bet
since the fight is baby mode until p3
whole canyon
How about nightstalker with shoulders? Should be good.
deep beacon
Can you switch up your gear in a raid now still or is that just a M+ change I assume.
cursive hatch
@bright wasp Yeah cloak got nerfed, shoulders are by far the best for leveling. If you can consistently stealth, shoulders are the best.
Only reason they aren't in raids is because we barely get to stealth in a fight
icy dock
for raid shoulders ring too ?
whole canyon
MFW I bought wrists ๐
strange python
insignia feels soooo weak, its 1,X % of my dmg when i look every fight
lone junco
Ive only done 5man stuff.
cursive hatch
I'll need to do a run with sin tonight in 5 man stuff
cinder yoke
the big part is from the perfect iotemization
cursive hatch
I did some runs last night, but it was before cloak nerf
cinder yoke
itemization*
lone junco
ill do it. but outlaw was really really smooth
cinder yoke
on a high secondary piece
cursive hatch
yeah, outlaw feels great to me. Sin was fun because of cloak build, but its a bit slow
cinder yoke
i don't know why they would wait until now to have an issue with the cloak
serene plaza
Obviously not intended
lone junco
I coudl get behind a sephuz CT build. but we'll see how well the haste scales in aoe.
whole canyon
Lead dev said 'ye you will be able to stack shit'
cinder yoke
it's been around for months during alpha/beta
zealous lily
then they realized that it works in pvp
zealous lily
so they turned it off
lone junco
nice.
ripe bramble
We can stack them, just not multiplicative
lone junco
pbomb 6%?
bright wasp
@cursive hatch Thanks dude.
zealous lily
because people were one shotting whole teams in arena
jovial kite
fuck pbomb
lone junco
thought that was your min/max
sudden brook
legendaries dont work in arena tho
cursive hatch
it was mostly just an unintended amount of damage
I was one shotting trash packs in +18s
lone junco
I was using pants in pvp for the high main stat.
its a lot higher than the tier pants i have.
sudden brook
yeah unlike coldheart stacking with frost dk, it just gives you AOE damage which is pretty nutty
bright wasp
Wait, so im reading in the guide that i should be using subterfuge? Not nightstalker with shoulders?
whole canyon
But it still stacks, cloak + talent that is.
shy orbit
shoulders in pre patch LUL
strange python
crimson tempest feels nice in m+ atleast with mass garrote + sephuz
lone junco
I hope so.
strange python
but on st it kinda sucks ๐
lone junco
Exang should rip all bleeds.
cursive hatch
hard to say definitively but nightstalker with shoulders might push ahead in 5 man content
sudden brook
i mean shoulders are still decent they aren't awful
serene plaza
Mass exsang would be ridiculous
lone junco
and
3 ruptures ct, sephuz exang.
gimme gimme
they could just turn Exang into passive bota buff for all bleeds and id be happy
lone junco
it doesnt fit into the rotation w/r/t vendetta anymore
alpine rain
Y'all got anymore of dem updated WA?
lone junco
sudden brook
have u tried wagoio
fair charm
alpine rain
i have not
cursive hatch
I updated my weakauras but I don't have my export saved
fair charm
there you have @alpine rain
alpine rain
Thanks @fair charm
fair charm
That's a complete update for all specs
whole canyon
so many possibilities ugh!
serene plaza
Holy shit that garrote damage
serene plaza
Heroic parses though omegalul
whole canyon
grr
lone junco
@serene plaza and?
alpine rain
Seeing as Simcrafts are wrong atm what builds are you guys having success with?
lone junco
its day 1 man. calm down
frosty robin
who pinged me
lone junco
@frosty robin dunno, but good avi
serene plaza
Just not a good representation
frosty robin
@serene elbow suh brah
sudden brook
bracers/insig is p good, but u should sim urselt to find whats best 8)
frosty robin
apparently cloak sims well or something
alpine rain
So sims are only broken for the cloak?
sudden brook
last i can recall yeah just the cloak is broken
frosty robin
'broken'?
strange python
@jovial kite u played with forgefiends on hounds? ๐
lone junco
and fok on insig. that number will get higher
jovial kite
double garrote duh
frosty robin
its not busted, its supposed to be like this
balmy condor
^
lone junco
normally 2s
frosty robin
of course
balmy condor
is that working as intended
whole canyon
That 30m queue in Raidbots now.
limber wagon
Raidbots premium looks pretty nice right about now
sudden brook
haste now scales with bleeds, its intended
strange python
it's so nice
sudden brook
cuz it is
strange python
i get to sim myself and find out everything i knew was wrong/trash
before everyone else
zealous lily
huh? just says 1/332 in line for me
frosty robin
haste is very good because we have 0 of it
cursive hatch
haste is a pretty good stat now that the dots scale with it. Gives energy regen, which we really need
limber wagon
Scaling is set up for 120s we wonโt be able to stack as much haste as we do now as a fresh 120
lone junco
@jovial kite double cleave EP on Coven, will be nice.
sudden brook
no longer the energy waiting room
unborn mulch
have any of you messed with raidbots smart sim? any reason to not use it?
frosty robin
tfw in airport and cant even test the memehs
wet yew
What is their smart sim?
whole canyon
Meh 22(...) build is 10% stronger than nightstalker and bois
balmy condor
on a low iteration
then from that, chooses winners, resims, then repeats till it has a clear winner
its much faster than doing X simulations on trash combinations
wet yew
So basically autosimc with low iteration
balmy condor
ye tldr
frosty robin
what causes the cloak sims to break
whole canyon
raidbots recommends also cloak vs wrists even if I take no cloak talent.
sudden brook
it got nerfed so it was simming what it was before it got nerfed
frosty robin
is the difference enough to make it not bis
sudden brook
yes
static pasture
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3HkCr3y5dWfwhZwkoNnkJ7
my best sim lel back+insignia never see that . Nice GP + FoK buff on one spec
lone junco
Try again at insig bracer.
static pasture
insignia bracer is better ?
ripe bramble
Mantle is dumpster trash
limber wagon
Lol
lone junco
Ep is good due to bleed haste.
static pasture
someone can give build atm ?
lone junco
So we lose that pb window.
frosty robin
so am i playing some fucking haste crit mutilate simulator or
zealous lily
does cindaria sim really well just because of vendetta+garrote+vanishgarrote coming into the 90% window every time on the sim?
lone junco
40 c 20h 40m. Try that with the ep Vig