assassination

[slate tulip]

max ilvl you can get

[gleaming geyser]

ilvl matters in that agility sims higher now

[honest needle]

so ill just replace my higher relics then right

sweet

[slate tulip]

need to w8 for servers and swap back for something else

and re sim

ok nvm servers are up

[honest needle]

that normal i have a 215 neck thats better then a 255 neck

thats insane

i cant switch that

drop my ilvl way 2 much

[jovial kite]

ilvl

[honest needle]

right

LOL

i got a 255 spiked counterweight is that good

[jovial kite]

Sim it

[ornate herald]

why does ilvl on jewelry matter when they have no main stat

[shrewd pine]

[odd tundra]

wow shoulders are no longer good

[strange python]

So whats the deal with the stat weights?

Crit mast no longer the best 2?

[jovial kite]

haste = faster bleeds = more energy

Haste > crit

[odd tundra]

more nergy!!

[shy orbit]

do cocaine then

[odd tundra]

i need more

[shrewd night]

Waking up, log on to discord:
http://pandawhale.com/post/38275/community-troy-pizza-fire-gif

[solemn trout]

haste is most valuable stat now?

[shrewd night]

Fuck

[grim sable]

agi > haste > crit > vers > mast

[solemn trout]

thx

[shrewd night]

https://i.imgur.com/Zki6LEk.gif

There we go

[shy orbit]

wtf

[odd tundra]

i can just throw on my shit outlaw stuff

[shrewd pine]

Oh Hi Koffing

[jaunty pilot]

guys i f'd up, bought mantle thinking it's bis, mogged it, checked pinned, and now im sad

[grim sable]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cloud wharf]

u can return it

[cold token]

still dont even know whch lego to get, bracers or cloak

[shy orbit]

cloak and ring Bois

[shrewd night]

Not when its mogged hydro come on

[limber wagon]

cloak nerfed

[supple mesa]

God damn sin feels so good :drool"

[jovial kite]

Most likely not cloak

[jaunty pilot]

cloak and ring best for me

[jovial kite]

HOLD YOUR HORSES FAM
-The interaction for HB + CLOAK got reworked. The calculations are now additive instead of multiplicative. This means around 3/4ths nerf to the calculations of the cloak + hb interaction.
-This means CLOAK may or may not be the go to going forward
-This means HB may or may not be the go to going forward
-Current simulations in raidbots.com DO NOT have this change taken into account
-We'll need to WAIT for simulationcraft team to push out a new nightly

[shy orbit]

wait it not longer stack?

[grim sable]

yeah, sin felt good once I hit around 15% haste

[supple mesa]

Sim sephuz and insignia im telling you its sleeper op

[jaunty pilot]

shall do

[warm parcel]

It does stack

[noble forge]

Sephuz is fucking POGGERS

[warm parcel]

Just as slack posted

[shrewd night]

Imagine having to upgrade your sephuz to 1000 6 months after the fact

[shy orbit]

1000 in pre patch LUL

[onyx falcon]

was Surge of Toxins an artifact trait? o.o or was that just a baseline thing

i nver noticed

[ornate herald]

trait

[open reef]

bb SoT

[onyx falcon]

huh... welp. bai WA

ty

[jaunty pilot]

glad i get that energy from vendetta still happy they added that

[onyx falcon]

trying to fix up some of my WAs n noticed that WA hadnt been showing up

[jovial kite]

Shoulda backuped WTF

[versed fulcrum]

weaaaakauras 😦

[shy orbit]

vendetta always gave energy

[versed fulcrum]

miss u

[silk sundial]

I uninstalled, reinstalled

[jaunty pilot]

did it?

[cold token]

just gonna wait and see what others say about the legos, dont have em all and can only get one

[jaunty pilot]

swear it was trait

[covert epoch]

just re install WA to get it to work

[silk sundial]

I tried adding an older WA but it didn't load for some reason

[charred delta]

so it's master poisoner at 1 bad now?

[shrewd night]

@cold token What anyone say shouldnt matter, just sim the different ones

[solemn trout]

T21 4set is still good?

[shy orbit]

did they update sims?

[solemn trout]

or ilevel?

[grim sable]

sim it yourself

[jovial kite]

no

[civic palm]

Tier still good.

[shy orbit]

i am at work :(

[jovial kite]

Sims havent been updated yet

[silk sundial]

Tried loading Notters 7.3.5 weak aura and it wouldnt display at all. New strings work though

[grim sable]

my gear has me drop to t21 2 set

[eager haven]

Was lookin at dps parses on Warcraftlogs and all the top sin rogues are runnin with Crit as priority. With haste at #2.

[slate tulip]

did you get weekly m,+ chest ?

in na ?

[civic palm]

Yarp

[silk sundial]

You don't get any gear from it

[grim sable]

everyone gets 1000 essence and no gear

[onyx falcon]

apparently Cache only contained 1K essences in it, but i didnt get any

[slate tulip]

.....

[onyx falcon]

soooo o.o

[solemn trout]

t21 2set > 4set ?

[slate tulip]

thx

[grim sable]

(plus your key)

[jaunty pilot]

yeah i got 1000 essence from cashe

[shy orbit]

but i got all legos

[silk sundial]

I would've prefered the gear personally

[grim sable]

me too

[jaunty pilot]

sephuz simmed lower than mantle btw whoever told me to sim it

[grim sable]

they said it was a screwup

[silk sundial]

Are we going to get our gear then?

[jaunty pilot]

cape was 11% higher than mantle, not ssure if it's accuratee though

[grim sable]

no

[shy orbit]

is pre patch up on eu?

[fiery sage]

simms better with 4 set t21 y day i simmed my char and it was 11k now only 6k xD

[jovial kite]

yes

[silk sundial]

So it was a screw up but we still don't get it?

[grim sable]

where are you simming Deeez? Because that sounds like pre-nerf values

[shy orbit]

NA pre patch testers LUL

[grim sable]

we got the 1000 essence instead of our gear

the gear is gone forever

[jaunty pilot]

im simming on raidbots

[silk sundial]

Is it still worth running +15s?

[grim sable]

we will get gear next week

[nocturne gate]

eu is up ^^

[grim sable]

from any keys we run this week

[shy orbit]

for dps test and shit i would do m+15

[nocturne gate]

but nothing works

[grim sable]

I did a +12 double rogue run to test before cloak was nerfed

that shit was hilarious

[silk sundial]

M+15 only drops 209 gear if you check in game... Just looked

[queen monolith]

Best leggos to run now?

[grim sable]

sim yourself

[silk sundial]

If im looking at it right

[solemn trout]

cloak was nerfed now?

[queen monolith]

Best general leggos to run now

[shy orbit]

i thought bracer is going to be good with the new mast

[grim sable]

Insignia + something

mast is our lowest stat priority now

[shy orbit]

but

[fiery sage]

agi will sim higher

[gilded fossil]

WA not working?

[jaunty pilot]

update it

and it will

[shy orbit]

i only have 3% haste

[grim sable]

go get more then

tbh

[cold kindle]

stat priority now?

[echo cargo]

HASTE

[pastel wasp]

agi

crit

[jaunty pilot]

Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste

[supple mesa]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/asuAPSpZPfkZHMrkYjXemk

[supple mesa]

After socketing and enchanting

sephuz insignia up to 6k boys

going to sim hb cloak

[jovial kite]

Dont

Its not updated

[supple mesa]

Oh alright thank you

[dire spoke]

=_ =

[woven bane]

will it get pinned if raidbots is up to date with the FoK nerf

[shrewd night]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[civic palm]

You did this!!

[dire spoke]

https://giphy.com/gifs/mrw-show-remote-HUkOv6BNWc1HO

[pastel wasp]

ONOES

[jovial kite]

@woven bane yes

We need to wait

[shy orbit]

i can wait no longer

[atomic grotto]

fun times on prepatch

[fiery sage]

the nightstalker talents seems to sim higher then the subterfuge

for me

[deep beacon]

i bet though without mantle subter is better in M+ though

I just noticed something weird i ran a low key

and when I got to helya before we pulled was out of combat and it said "I couldn't do that now" when i tried to switch to the blizzard provided gearset i created. Weird was out of combat.

[shrewd night]

you cant switch gear in m+ tho

[limber wagon]

Thats an 8.0 change

[deep beacon]

Oh ok

So you have to choose it at the start got it

[zealous dew]

yeah very funny

haste best stat st, worst aoe

[deep beacon]

I did knot know that. Thanks

Yeah exactly

Was going mastery for the cleave trash and trying to put on haste for the boss

[zealous dew]

ripperino

[limber wagon]

I'm thinking I'll still play Sub for m+ during prepatch

[deep beacon]

GUess you need to make a decision on the affixes and the like on whats more important

[zealous dew]

or have 2 rogues

[shrewd night]

Not gon bother tbh, going to play a spec which has the same stat prio for single as with multi

Ayyyyy, Shiennar being golden boi

[orchid cove]

@deep beacon crit is better for aoe still

[deep beacon]

raidbots pretty packed atm lol

Yeah and i can choose betwen the aoe legacy agg trinket or the surprise bis one the egg from EOA lol

[gleaming prism]

man I vendored my eoa trinket a few month back when I got in 975 out of my m+ chest

fml

[deep beacon]

so far just mucking around with this FOK stuff... not sure if I will keepit

[cerulean walrus]

So of course after I get ElvUI updated, I can't see anyone but myself in party frames, and I can't even see myself when I'm in a raid group. Anyone have any idea how to fix this? Been trying to find a solution for a few hours now

[deep beacon]

you can get it back do a restore

[orchid cove]

the fok is already nerfed to the ground

[gleaming prism]

I checked already but it doesnt show up

only goes two months

[deep beacon]

Is it even worth it to use the lego then or swap it to something else now

[jovial kite]

HOLD YOUR HORSES FAM
-The interaction for HB + CLOAK got reworked. The calculations are now additive instead of multiplicative. This means around 3/4ths nerf to the calculations of the cloak + hb interaction.
-This means CLOAK may or may not be the go to going forward
-This means HB may or may not be the go to going forward
-Current simulations in raidbots.com DO NOT have this change taken into account
-We'll need to WAIT for simulationcraft team to push out a new nightly

[cerulean walrus]

I already tried a restore and setting my profile the way it was before but my frames got messed up again somehow

[deep beacon]

Yeah will just wait see what happens lol

[cerulean walrus]

I'm using a preset that I found on Tukui but for some reason no matter what I try, unless I use the stock ElvUI or stock blizzard UI I can't seem to get party/raid frames to show

[shrewd night]

Thats because the preset that you picked isnt updated

[cerulean walrus]

Ahhh

[halcyon tulip]

I think draenic potion is better than prolonged, 245agi for 25 sec VRS 113 for 60 sec. Rather have more during cd's.

[jaunty pilot]

"HOLD YOUR HORSES FAM" i love it

[strange python]

So i just pulled about 5.7k dps on heroic garothi. Is that good or nah?

[civic palm]

I dunno what should you be doing?

[exotic fractal]

what ilvl, what setup?

[edgy scroll]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mBXELw9XKihe8zMooT2Cur

odd lege combo

[fringe phoenix]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tmjujeTvxM2ZBjD1uXW7L6

[strange python]

249. Running bracers and insig. Crit 27,h17,m55,vers17. Talents:1,3,1,2,3,2,1

[fringe phoenix]

basically with cloak + outlaw gear

[exotic fractal]

man im 248 and the best setup i could find to sim is 5700

fucking no haste

[fringe phoenix]

i actually sim higher in sin with my outlaw gear than i do in outlaw 🤔

[shy orbit]

cloak sims wrong in raidbot

[buoyant quest]

I'm sorry if this has already been talked about but has anyone thought about taking Hidden Blades Plus Dreadlord's Deceit, possibly also with Flying Daggers? do they each stack? I tried equipping the cape and the talent and they are 2 separate buffs

[steep obsidian]

[shrewd night]

Oof

[steep obsidian]

❤

[shrewd night]

If anyone has thought about it

[steep obsidian]

the moment i logged onto alpha like 4 months ago yeh 😃

some people are saying that it doesnt stack the same way now though so is no longer op i have not tested myself

i guess pins will be updated eventually

[buoyant quest]

I guess what i'm asking is is it multiplicative, additive, or what, does anyone know. Sorry for being vague and/or poorly worded.

[limber wagon]

It has been nerfed,

[hexed dock]

wth why is tempered egg of serpentix so high in sims? bug?

[shrewd night]

@jovial kite hit us with your shit

[steep obsidian]

it was the former now the later

lol i have a 960 egg

that i was mad that i got

[warm parcel]

Addi from multi

[solemn trout]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2KNzDD6gJrGWV26yxQDT4a

[buoyant quest]

alright, thank you.

[solemn trout]

sephuz is good now

[steep obsidian]

is there actually a haste breakpoint hmm i guess i should just fiddle

[final river]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pdtkrNH2xVUEnbNjHpwsqu me

[steep obsidian]

dis patch is weird

[exotic fractal]

sephuz still sims less than mantle for me

[shy orbit]

every pre patch is weird

[exotic fractal]

Mantle/insignia is the best setup i could find for my sims

[spring zephyr]

Benn out all day

[steep obsidian]

yeh i know

[spring zephyr]

Can you guys hit me up with whats changed

/ what i neeed to change

[steep obsidian]

no

read pins and things

[spring zephyr]

New to this discord

IS that the go?

[shy orbit]

dont use cloak it got nerfed

[spring zephyr]

Read pins

[steep obsidian]

well yeah

[unreal sundial]

pins in bae

[steep obsidian]

the pins have most things

[spring zephyr]

Ok

[steep obsidian]

and if you have anything specific that isnt answered

come back den

otherwise we answer the same questions every 5 mins

[spring zephyr]

Ye thats true

Ill suss the pins

[jovial kite]

HOLD YOUR HORSES FAM
-The interaction for HB + CLOAK got reworked. The calculations are now additive instead of multiplicative. This means around 3/4ths nerf to the calculations of the cloak + hb interaction. (around 70k-100k dps loss on use full stack)
-This means CLOAK may or may not be the go to going forward
-This means HB may or may not be the go to going forward
-Current simulations in raidbots.com DO NOT have this change taken into account
-We'll need to WAIT for simulationcraft team to push out a new nightly

[steep obsidian]

yeh

what that guy said

[jovial kite]

Gotchu fam @shrewd night

[steep obsidian]

pre patches are always weird n shit stuff will change right up until launch of the raid

but reading pins is a good general idea 😛

[shy orbit]

oh fak mobile armory died

[atomic grotto]

slackjack transformed to a bot that spams that 😄

[jovial kite]

So many questions

So little time

[steep obsidian]

should just get the pins updated

so ya dont have to spam dat

but i guess

they will be gain

when simc does its thing

[jaunty pilot]

should just add that to the pins xd

[atomic grotto]

well its prepatch day

[steep obsidian]

tru

[jovial kite]

No mods online

[atomic grotto]

people will ask questions

[jovial kite]

🤷

[steep obsidian]

but slack already did the hard work

[shy orbit]

useless modes

[steep obsidian]

also i cant belive they left that in for all of fookin alpha/beta and then nerf it the instant it does live

fun police pls nerf

[jaunty pilot]

do we get M+ gear now that it's reset anyone?

[atomic grotto]

what did u expect

[steep obsidian]

not yet

i expect to one shot everyone

for the next few weeks

of course

[shy orbit]

dam i just summoned a mode

[atomic grotto]

its common knowledge that blizz does stuff like that

😄

[civic palm]

More pins people won't read 👌

[atomic grotto]

📌

[shy orbit]

ty ma dud

[prisma carbon]

heys guys what leggos do i use i refuse to read pins

[shy orbit]

then we refuse to answer?

[jaunty pilot]

we refuse to acknowledge you exist starting from now after that

[prisma carbon]

but seriously, i played around with fok cloak and most definitely feels bad now

[gusty plinth]

so haste enchants time?

[jaunty pilot]

ive regemmed eveyrthing with haste

[prisma carbon]

at least compared to the sims that i saw this morning b4 the nerf

[jovial kite]

High geared cloak hb hit around 100k beta

Its 10-15k now

[tough whale]

my hb+cloak max stack tooltip is 28k so def nerfed

[shrewd pine]

rip 😦

[jovial kite]

Yeah with ns

[shrewd pine]

I ing loved it

[shy orbit]

i didnt like FoK anyway

[desert hazel]

I'm looking at logs and insignia is doing like 1% of people's damage over 4 mins.

[jovial kite]

Insig is huge statstick aswell

[desert hazel]

That's true

[jovial kite]

That combined with the passive makes it viable

[desert hazel]

Didn't think about

I'd be interested to see how close bracers or boots would be to it.

[jovial kite]

im feelcrafting insig bracers will be bis

But well have to wait and see

[prisma carbon]

stuff dies really fast tho

[jovial kite]

Yup

[cyan forge]

I'm interested to see how cindaria with a belt buckle + additional jewel compares to everything

[prisma carbon]

im going back to mantle insignia til sims get here

[desert hazel]

I think insig/boots

[jaunty pilot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/17#class=Rogue

no defined leggos even with these rogues

[dire spoke]

=_ =

oh noes what to copy

[jaunty pilot]

lol

[desert hazel]

Not enough logs in a few hours to get a definitive leggo

[jaunty pilot]

edgy comment

[dire spoke]

thanks

[civic hatch]

so anyone know what bis is currently? with the cloak rework?

[tough whale]

xd

[desert hazel]

Other then cloak being op if it isn't nerfed yet

[shy orbit]

the top dps dud used fok

no fok now ma duud

[desert hazel]

I mean is it a hotfix or blizzard just saying it is reworked or what? Was literally watching a rogue use it 20 mins ago on argus

[tough whale]

Some would say we have

no FoKing idea

hehe

[jovial kite]

its reworked

[shy orbit]

haHAA

[jovial kite]

We dont know how it fares in sims yet

But its worse than in beta

[civic hatch]

anyone elses weak auras break?

my rupture weak aura is fuckkked

[tough whale]

... its a major patch updates, theres alot of addon issues : )

[dire spoke]

https://i.imgflip.com/2e83yn.jpg

[desert hazel]

Actually it does appear to be fixed. I just looked at the log of the rogue I seen 20 mins ago and his max fok hit was 11.6k

[deep solstice]

So they nerfed FoK already? haha

[halcyon tulip]

Belt buckles work atm.

[desert hazel]

Holy shit is that finding nemo pic so relevant atm....lol

[spring zephyr]

Are add ons

working yet

[deep solstice]

The only thing that was truly broken for me earlier (right after restart) was my buff bars (IE weakauras, etc). Everything else was more or less working.

[spring zephyr]

My recount is broken

[deep solstice]

Try Details.

[vocal dock]

Wow is broken in general

they really missed a lot with this one

[shrewd pine]

recount in current year

[shrewd night]

Prepatch, expecting balance and gamedefining changes

[deep solstice]

I honestly didn't even know recount was still being updated.

[obtuse garnet]

Recount in 2018

[deep solstice]

What do you guys use for buff bars these days? I had used RPB for years, but it seems 8,0 may have finally killed it (last proper update was for 6.0.2).

[supple mesa]

Imma just throw this out there

sephuz insignia

sims best for all 3 specs for me

LOL

[obtuse garnet]

Weakauras @deep solstice

[exotic fractal]

sephuz insignia sims 200 dps less than mantle/insignia for me

[vital mirage]

anyone got the 8.0 talents setup etc

[deep solstice]

I didnt even try simming sephuz. But with the value of haste right now......I can see it

[next ingot]

no buff bars, but WA timers

[deep solstice]

Hmm. Ya I guess I can see WA, I am probably too lazy to set that up though

[next ingot]

there is plenty of templates overthere

[obtuse garnet]

You can import complete WA sets from wago

[deep solstice]

Ah, there is a section in here for that sort of thing?

[shy orbit]

i use tmw

[deep solstice]

Wago apparently sells power bricks

[median sonnet]

Yeah, sadly RPB probably bit the dust for good now

[next ingot]

http://www.ravenholdt.net/rogue-weakauras/

[deep solstice]

You are my hero Ezagoth.

[next ingot]

they all will be broken now, probably

with the new patch

[gusty plinth]

is the mythic + gear swap thing live on pre patch

[next ingot]

until WA get estable

[obtuse garnet]

Yes cerasi

[deep solstice]

True. Someone did just say 2 minutes ago that their WA was dead. And some of my guildy's macros were broken

[obtuse garnet]

You cant switch gear now

[gusty plinth]

okay

rip opie

[fiery sage]

so the reason we play with EP insteed of MP is the it dosent go with PB anymore or?

[silk sundial]

Is there an issue with the tuning on insignia? Pre patch there were always better options, but all of the Sims seem to show it slightly higher. My mantle/ kj Sims similarly but a little lower

[shrewd night]

Insignia has been good for a long time, dont know what you are on about

[onyx falcon]

FYI MFD having a 30 sec CD has a 1 min "debuff" on the target atm soooo yea, fun for M+ though 😃

[median sonnet]

🙄

[ripe nimbus]

Why is arcane torrent still on the GCD

[fringe mist]

so is world quest groups dead?>

or is my addon dead

[ripe nimbus]

that addon no longer works blizzard broke it

might as well delete it

[fringe mist]

so how do i do the invasions and great er

greater ones

[ripe nimbus]

u manually join groups

[fringe mist]

the horror

[zealous dew]

one thing that was working decently, broken

[median sonnet]

Oh rait, that got shit on as well

[upbeat gulch]

is it true the cloak interaction got fixed?

[shrewd night]

[jovial kite]

It did

[vestal wren]

@ornate gazelle the aim was to keep it short, having a 17+ ability opener would boost the opener sequence up with the only benefit to see it using mutilate and envenom or rupture between the rupture and the vanish use

[royal bronze]

anyone got any decent working WA's yet all the ones I find are broken or like missing stuff 😦

[upbeat gulch]

https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM

this one is working well

[royal bronze]

ty ill check it out

if anyone finds any other decent ones hmu 😄

[shrewd night]

https://wago.io/weakauras/classes/rogue -> Sort by expansion: BFA

[royal bronze]

ya I did 😃

thank you though. Afenar's is best one so far but was checking if any others had some decent ones

ty

[solar summit]

which warmode talents are best?

[shrewd night]

Whichever suits your playstyle Mythadon

[royal bronze]

for general WQs most stuff ive read is System Shock, Creeping Venom, and Flying Daggers

[slate tulip]

did some one check

if old weapon enchants work ?

like moongose ?

[fringe mist]

im sure its been asking a billion times but i dont know the answer, does the lego shoulders and nightstalker talent stack and make ur crit chance 150%?

[plush umbra]

It does, but any crit over 100% is pretty useless

[fringe mist]

how come?

[mighty cloak]

maths?

[tough whale]

???

[ashen snow]

??

[plush umbra]

Because once you have 100% chance to crit, everything crits already?

[solar summit]

isnt subterfuge best talent in that row anyway?

[dusk valve]

🤔

[fringe mist]

just checking

i am also very dumb

so ty

[ashen snow]

you'll fit in here

[shrewd pine]

[deep solstice]

Master Assassin does not stack with the leggo shoulders

[junior flume]

You mean leggo shoulders and Master Assassin talent right? Or am i missing a change to Night stalker?

[fringe mist]

i was thinking crit damage not chance

cause im dumb lol

[junior flume]

ah ^^

[deep solstice]

If you use the shoulders Their buff supercedes master assassin

[tender folio]

Oh cool just simed 13.7k dps guess that`s good

[shrewd night]

Sorry, you're a meme now

Ayyyy

[zinc zephyr]

is the cloak+hb combo useless compared to PB with the cloak nerf?

[fringe mist]

😄

[deep solstice]

I thought the BFA rotation was showing CT anyway?

[fringe mist]

glad i could bring some joy to everyone online right now

have a good night guys

[fiery sage]

13,7k deeps sim?? seems not legit xD

[deep solstice]

I am sad that Blindside is not simming as well as EP

I like blindside

[deep beacon]

I do also though i wish it did something else also

[deep solstice]

It's nice having our execute back

Except we dont.

[shrewd night]

inb4 13,7 multitarget sim

[rugged wren]

the difference is so minimal I dont you really do notice it

[shrewd night]

much impresso

[tough whale]

inb4 bugged cloak api+ 4target

[deep solstice]

I played around with blindside in Beta and had fun with it.

[deep beacon]

i got mine to about 5400 or so ithink at 235ilevel

[slate tulip]

i cant get over 6k dps :/

[deep beacon]

ill use it in pvip i think

[deep solstice]

I think if Blindside gave 2 CP it would be better...but maybe overtuned at that point

[deep beacon]

I am doing m+ trying out MFD lol such a pain but i bet if you get good at it can be good

[steep obsidian]

make a mouseover macro if you dont have one

so you dont even have to swap targets

[deep beacon]

you think MFD will overwhelmingly be better for M+ then vigor? I have the same question on crimson tempest. I know thepins say to use those but was just wondering if its workable lol 😃

[steep obsidian]

i have no idea

[vestal wren]

MfD should be good if you have resets

[tender folio]

14k crit envenom

[cerulean walrus]

Lol Stormrage just dropped agian

again*

[spare nebula]

i have no idea what im doing, but CT was fun in an arcway

[woeful prawn]

What is this new world

[deep beacon]

Ithink I am going to keep details over skada

[spare nebula]

was playing CT w/ cloak. still felt pretty ok

[deep solstice]

I like CT for 5 mans....but if it becomes the default for single target as well I would not like that much.

[alpine moss]

The BiS leggo still the same right? Which one is better? I was unlucky and I never find one of the BiS FeelBadMan Which one it's better to pick up first?

[spare nebula]

are we supposed to spam CT in AOE situations?

[deep beacon]

Check the pin it's all in there

[shrewd night]

Whatever sims highest

[deep beacon]

no

[spare nebula]

or should we just CT when the bleed is falling off

[deep beacon]

you spam FOK

[shrewd night]

Although cloak isnt simmed correctlyt

[deep beacon]

you get the dot up and refresh

you also want to rupture up targets as well

[spare nebula]

yeah ok

so CT once, then FoK + rupture things

then CT to refresh dot

got it

thx

[deep beacon]

openwith a bunch of garrotes all this depends on how hard the adds are etc and how many and also planning for next fight too

[spare nebula]

this was just a 15 to get the hang of things so everyting melted

[deep solstice]

cloak damage previously was simming around 20-30% of total damage, it got nerfed about 75% .....so if you remove ~15-20% of what simcraft shows for the Cloak+HB build it will be relatively accurate

[deep beacon]

I use a WA aura to track multi dots but for CT on a huge pack it bogs my system lol

[spare nebula]

cloak + CT deece in m+ yeah?

i was running cloak + insignia

w/ CT

[carmine plover]

retarded question inc. I don't have a sub atm. Did racials change in the pre patch? Or is that just changing when BFA goes live?

[spare nebula]

thank fuck i built up my outlaw gear and could use a bunch of heavy haste/crit pieces

[royal bronze]

racials changed. belf is rip

[carmine plover]

ah okay! Orc les go boiz

[spare nebula]

undead 4lyf

[slate tulip]

Living Steel Belt Buckle is working if someone didnt know

[spare nebula]

sure is

but lol @ 40K+ on AH

[deep solstice]

I will be using Night Elf forever unless they add a negative dps racial

[spare nebula]

for what? 2 weeks?

lol

[carmine plover]

is there a 2nd best race actually? (horde wise) for pve?

[deep solstice]

only 12k gold on my server

[spare nebula]

still not worth imo

but hey you do you

[tender folio]

awesome leggo tokens are BoA now

[shrewd night]

now?

What do you mean now

[alpine moss]

So the back still worth or not? 🤔

[tender folio]

Nah

[tough whale]

📌

[alpine moss]

I readed the pins 😓 And now I'm confused xD

[jovial kite]

We dont know yet

Aethys and tc team are working on the numbers side

Before that we dont know how good/bad it is

But we do know its worse than it was

[tough whale]

quite a bit worse than it was. So just run 2 solid leggos and go wild til sims are done

[distant cypress]

what would be close second to the back if not using it ?

[alpine moss]

The Ravenhold insignia is fine right?

[jovial kite]

Check #tc-updates #tc-research for updates

[zinc zephyr]

best method is to go to the dummy and check 😄

[minor sequoia]

Quick question. Is the Cloak and ravenholdt ring worth taking for single target? or do i want to switch to switch to poison bomb over hidden blades and mantle for single target?

[alpine moss]

I don't want to waste essence cause I was unlucky with leggos... Will of Valeera, Cinidaria, Soul of the Shadowblade, Kil'jaeden burning wish, Prydaz, Insigna of the Grand Army..

[deep solstice]

As far as things currently stand, Insignia is still great

[twin prism]

yeah we will have to wait for the back i think

[deep solstice]

Ravenholdt one anyway

[rugged wren]

ye but HB and Cloak interraction has been reworked so dont go buy any legendary yet imo

[tough whale]

@alpine moss Go on other 110s you have, get your 1k essence, buy a rogue token and mail it over

[rugged wren]

wait for the sims to roll out

[alpine moss]

@tough whale Oh nice! So which leggos do you suggest? I'll be able to buy 4 leggos with alts essences

[minor sequoia]

Well i already had the cloak thats why i was wondering lol

[tough whale]

you wont get to choose on those alt essences

[nimble tartan]

how many targets for ct spam to be better than envenom 🤔

[tough whale]

you get random rolls for your spec

[alpine moss]

@tough whale Oh understood... So finger crossed eheh

[junior flume]

If only you could mail it and then refund it 😛

[deep solstice]

Honestly just 2 targets should be comparable if you are not running master poisoner OMR

from the base damage alone, not counting the dot

Eh, maybe more like 3 I guess

[icy iris]

Hey Guys, It might already be asked a thousand times, but what's the top tier talents for assassination rogue in prepatch?

[deep solstice]

See Pin #1

[dire spoke]

https://i.imgflip.com/2e83yn.jpg

[alpine moss]

Unlucky again... Crown and duskwalker ahah

[deep solstice]

Crown was actually simming not far behind insignia for me earlier

[vestal wren]

best talents are in the guide, however the latest pin might change the top talent and lego combo

[alpine moss]

@vestal wren Do you think it's a safe choise to pick Ravenhold ring and wait for the second one after the tc?

[midnight belfry]

any decent WA sets for sin yet? Didnt see any in pins/resources

[vestal wren]

insignia seemed very strong yes

i think its save to pick it and play around with a 2nd lego

[alpine moss]

Right! Thank you

[mighty fractal]

so quick question, are we changing to bleed instead of poison build now ?

[ripe scaffold]

did raidbot fix the bug yet in their sims

[somber hill]

I know stat priority but does anyone have any stat WEIGHTS? i could input?

[brisk forge]

No

Sim your own

[frank sentinel]

no

[manic crow]

Generate them on raidbots yourself?

[warm parcel]

Cause those are personal

[shrewd night]

[vestal wren]

2nd best if back turns out lower is mantle or bracers

[frank sentinel]

S E P H U Z

[grand tide]

sephuz and shoulders for leveling?

[vestal wren]

yes as always in pre-patch feel free to pla around with stuff and have fun

[shrewd night]

Sephuz is dependant on something to trigger it though, isnt it

[deep solstice]

Everyone keeps saying it, but honestly at this point you need to just sim based on what you have. Balancing is all over the place.

[vernal atlas]

soo, to add to the confusion. just woke up and read the pinned guide. new build requires me to use rupture instead of envenom?? or is it still the same with keeping rupture up but inbetween refreshes go for envenom? sorry slightly confused

[vestal wren]

you use envenom if you dont need to refresh rupture

so yes thats true

[shrewd night]

Its a priority list just like before, rupture is higher than envenom IF rupture is not already up

[deep solstice]

So this Wago site, it's just a WA string right? not additional addons?

[unkempt vapor]

hey guys is cloak+hidden blaeds works well? cuz for me its not hit like the tooltip says

[shrewd night]

[vernal atlas]

good, thanks

[dire spoke]

hidden blyat

[uncut shale]

Yeah you have never ignored rupture.

jesus... Discord lag...

[shrewd night]

@vestal wren can you change me to outlul golden boi please ❤ ?

[frank sentinel]

just delete hidden blades shit sin talent

[hazy iron]

^

please

[uncut shale]

I ❤ Poison Bomb

[strange python]

poison bomb will always be top no matter what sims says

[slate tulip]

did some one lose augment rune for exalted?

[uncut shale]

It's that giant green goo blast, it just wins.

[slate tulip]

i cant find it in bags :/

[jaunty pilot]

anyone tried hounds yet?

[uncut shale]

It's in your butt.

[supple mesa]

PB's cool and all, but CT is cool too 😄

[uncut shale]

CT is one more button I don't need

[shrewd pine]

[uncut shale]

Blindside is enough extra buttons

[frank sentinel]

CT is way better, cuz, you know... i get to decide when to cast it

[strange python]

also boots sim better than sephuz i have no idea what peple talking about

[high garnet]

is leggo bracer useless now ? i dont see many rogues use them on warcraftlogs now

[uncut shale]

So are we over this cloak, ring phase?

[shrewd pine]

Taking garbage talent instead of good talent cuz buttons You are special one arent ya @uncut shale

[warm parcel]

Could it be sim results are personal?

[frank sentinel]

LOL

[warm parcel]

And vary based on your items

Naa

[dire spoke]

naa

[high garnet]

whats bis leggos now ?

[frank sentinel]

Nope

[shrewd pine]

https://i.imgflip.com/2e83yn.jpg

[uncut shale]

Sure @shrewd pine garbage cause the guide says it's best

[frank sentinel]

can we get another post of that img

for the people in the back

[supple mesa]

Pb sims super high for me

[uncut shale]

Topkek for knowing better cause reasons.

[supple mesa]

wtf

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2vatUXL3LYqVcdZ6j6Pxew

[shrewd pine]

Which one?

[deep solstice]

Anyone tried boots? Are they still decent or are they garbage without traits?

[shrewd pine]

https://pastebin.com/g57gL4ip this one?

cuz it doesnt say Blindside is best for prepatch

😃

[dire spoke]

=_ =

[shrewd pine]

🤷

[jaunty pilot]

so sephus is ur highest sim gage?

[supple mesa]

Yessir

Trying to farm 2pce from tos

see some fatty dps

[alpine grotto]

take it gemming and enchants should all be haste now...so what neck enchant do we swop too?

[uncut shale]

Oh jesus I didn't notice the "prepatch" notation

[warm parcel]

2+4 doublering dream

[uncut shale]

I fucking hate legendaries

[shrewd pine]

:-))))))))))))))

[deep solstice]

Satyr was simming highest for me, but Satyr, Claw and Trained soldier were roughly equal

[uncut shale]

2210022 is boaring

[shrewd pine]

DOnt use HB

literally read pins

It's been nerfed.

[frank sentinel]

just delete it from your talents

[unique ice]

i have an important question

[uncut shale]

2210021?

[minor sequoia]

So theyve already nerfed HB with cloak?

[shrewd pine]

okay couple minutes in this channel was enough for couple hours

[unique ice]

were you always able to use Survey while stealthed?

[shrewd pine]

imma out again

gl lads

[ripe geyser]

But if HB + Cloak is nerfed, what leggos are bis now then?

[frank sentinel]

[unique ice]

because Survey doesn't break stealth right now.

[gusty plinth]

im so confused

[uncut shale]

Have fun leaving

[charred delta]

what do you think about poison bomb? the rng still sucks, the last boss I tried was like the 3.6% of my damage

[deep solstice]

I think the people with answers need a rotation. Every 10 minutes is a new group of people with the same questions lol

[brisk forge]

Sim your options with lege once new Sims is updatef

Or just ignore the things you dont wanna answear, ez

[unique ice]

i just want to know if our ability to be stealth archaeologists has always been around and i just never noticed

or if it was added in prepatch

[warm parcel]

You were able to survey in stealth before

Even mount

Nothing new

[deep solstice]

I think I remember it working before.....like 5 years ago when I last surveyed.

[uncut shale]

I guess that isn't bad for "246"

[warm parcel]

Basically many interactions wont drop stealth at all or until end of cast

[supple mesa]

Take off hb put on pb and swap leggos

bet you see a better number

[unique ice]

well, learn something new every day

[deep solstice]

Keep in mind bandage that most sims are not taking the HB nerf into account

[unique ice]

nah, sims will still favor the cloak

[jovial kite]

cloak + hb sims isnt up to date

[unique ice]

simcraft hasn't been updated

[shrewd night]

It's almost as it says that in the pins

[supple mesa]

mine dont favor it

lol

[shrewd night]

Hmmmmm

[ripe scaffold]

whats the best second leggo after the bugfix

wrists or mantle

[uncut shale]

No nerf imminent, no worries guys.

[flat laurel]

Nightstalker or subterfuge?

[uncut shale]

Sub

[warm parcel]

Something was changed with fok. We dont know what. Its not in sim

So just dont use hb cloak

[flat laurel]

Why tho?

[shrewd night]

Because it was stupid

[warm parcel]

[jovial kite]

Because its dps dropped around 75%

[ripe scaffold]

but what to use if not cloak

wrists maybe

[jovial kite]

Its a possibility

[warm parcel]

Theres this cool website

[uncut shale]

So if not cloak... still use HB?

[jovial kite]

Sim to be sure

[warm parcel]

Www.raidbots.com

[uncut shale]

Jesus the mixed signals...

[unique ice]

???

he literally said

don't use HB and cloak

how is that a mixed signal

[warm parcel]

There are no mixed signals

[unique ice]

rofl

[warm parcel]

Dont use hb cloak

[uncut shale]

Because I was just told to use HB and cloak

fuck

[warm parcel]

And use raidbots

[shrewd night]

No you werent

[uncut shale]

I use raidbots

[hexed citrus]

RAIDBOTS does NOT help us here

[shrewd pine]

okay I'm back again. Hi.

[unique ice]

yes it does

[warm parcel]

[uncut shale]

OMGH THE ANARCHY!!!

[unique ice]

just sim every other legendary

[jovial kite]

Peck the chins

[unique ice]

and don't sim cloak

[shrewd night]

Let's go out together theri

[shrewd pine]

[unique ice]

whichever non-cloak sim is highest

[shrewd night]

This is a dunosterfire

[shrewd pine]

[warm parcel]

You can use rb without simming hb talent

[unique ice]

is the highest sim

[shrewd pine]

it literally says

[warm parcel]

Cmon. Common sense

[shrewd pine]

to not use fucking HB and Cloak

[uncut shale]

[shrewd pine]

cuz it was nerfed

and raidbots isnt updated

so dont fucking use it

[jovial kite]

PECK THE CHINS

[shrewd pine]

and dont try to sim it

[unique ice]

yes use raidbots

just don't sim the cloak

[shrewd pine]

so fucking hard to comprehend jesus

[burnt fern]

anyone has any idea for BIS legendaries for prepatch?

[unique ice]

holy fucking shit joeskii

[burnt fern]

based on herodamage its insignia and

[shrewd night]

I'm so fucking out dawg

[uncut shale]

Name checks out Toxic

[burnt fern]

and cloak

[sudden brook]

holy fuck LOL

[brisk forge]

...

[uncut shale]

XD

[unique ice]

i was gone for 6 months but some things never change

[jovial kite]

shitstorm

[sudden brook]

just wait until bfa launch

[shrewd pine]

of course it checks out when y'all using yer asses not yer brains to think.

[jovial kite]

vanish

[uncut shale]

Sims say cloak so people think cloak brotato

[burnt fern]

we're here for discussing wanted to know ur insight chill guys

[uncut shale]

WE NEED ALTERNATE PLANS!!! SOMEONE FIX THIS!!!

[shrewd night]

[jovial kite]

[unique ice]

the alternate plan is

take off your cloak

throw it in the fucking dumpster

switch off hidden blades

and sim all your other legendaries

[uncut shale]

Do I just equip Outlaw bracers BRO!!?

[shrewd pine]

Alternate plan is literally go to raidbots but dont sim your fucking cloak and hidden blade talent. it doesnt take rocket science to figure out.

[shrewd night]

It does. Apparently.

I feel bad for the future generations of mankind.

[uncut shale]

Man I love me some rocket surgery, but this shit is nuts.

[cinder yoke]

blizz changing/nerfing the interaction

is so shit for leveling

[unique ice]

BiS is Prydaz and the crucible leggo ring

just equip those

and don't question it

[ripe scaffold]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oWt7CsTNpZ7J8RiLBvWjvW i sim 100 dps lower without hb cloak are you sure raidbots didnt fix it yet

[sudden brook]

LOL

[jovial kite]

Yes

[shrewd pine]

This fucking guy

[uncut shale]

XD

[shrewd shell]

17-07-2018, date of Apocalypse on every discords

[shrewd pine]

I think I know why mods banned the use of -r and a- words here

[sudden brook]

how do u put on clothes in the morning

[jovial kite]

im nekkid

[shrewd pine]

would be the most used words rn

[jovial kite]

[shrewd night]

How unzip pants pls

How do I chew

[sudden brook]

whats best pants for mythic plus

[shrewd night]

Halp

[deep solstice]

Jeans

[sudden brook]

but sims say track pants are better

[unique ice]

it's still not as bad in here as it was when the Fan of Knives + Poison Knives bug was a thing.

[jovial kite]

Micro shirts

[unique ice]

tbh

[shrewd night]

It's worse tempest

[nimble tartan]

im using a personal apl i developed and jeez u guys r missing out on like 1k dps from not poison weaving lmaooo

[unique ice]

there was someone every 30 seconds coming in asking if they were supposed to use fan of knives

and half the people were telling them no

[slim estuary]

has simc updated to the cloak+HB patch?

[shrewd night]

The FoK/PK thing was something only a fraction of people asked for since they didnt know about it. Now that there are gamechanging edits EVERYONE comes asking the same shit questions.

[unique ice]

the true tragedy of this pre-patch is that the HideTalkingHeads addon only half works now

[warm parcel]

No cause were not sure what changed

And cause we dont know we cant change

[shrewd pine]

@slim estuary

[vestal wren]

what legendary combo would you suggest for m+?

[warm parcel]

Simple guess is it went from multi to addi

[sudden brook]

will of valeera crucible ring

[deep solstice]

I am sad that EP is outsimming MP even when taking poison bomb. Bye poison build =/

[thorny cosmos]

@unique ice Haven't had any pop up

[shrewd pine]

@vestal wren deeper stratagem and pyro bracers

[unique ice]

mine are popping up but the dialogue isn't playing

[uncut shale]

I'm simming cloak and HB for luls, will I win the DPS race?

[royal bronze]

Is it worth enchanting your artifacts?

[uncut shale]

I'm jk calm down

[thorny cosmos]

None for me yet

[vestal wren]

btw. somehting that might got un-noticed, iirc you can use the lego head on all 3 specs now

[warm parcel]

[deep solstice]

@royal bronze You cant enchant them. Weapon enchants have an ilvl restriction.

[shrewd night]

Best leggo

[sudden brook]

apparently its pretty good for sub

[uncut shale]

simming it now

[chilly schooner]

Any tldr on prepatch legos and talents?

[sudden brook]

stuff got changed

[shrewd night]

ignocia, are you ignoring pins on purpose or nah?

[slate tulip]

did some one try crimson tempest + exsang on m+ ?

[warm parcel]

Exs is st

So kind of pointless

[chilly schooner]

I just checked pins, no sign of new talents

[ripe nimbus]

Exs is a ST ability

[shrewd night]

????

[sudden brook]

u literally didnt read then

[shrewd shell]

[chilly schooner]

I might have missed it

[uncut shale]

xD

[chilly schooner]

Chill

[slate tulip]

but it wont work with crimson ?

[shrewd night]

no sign of new talents

[strange python]

lol it's literally an entire guide. 😛

[warm parcel]

It will

[ripe nimbus]

it works but why would u waste a GCD to exsang 1 target with CT on it?

[uncut shale]

How I feel right now guys... cmon.

[warm parcel]

But its still just that one target

[slate tulip]

oh it say target's in toltip

[warm parcel]

Actually I dont even know if it works with ct

[sudden brook]

probably does

[strange python]

I'm sure exsang works with Ct, it works with internal bleeding

[vernal atlas]

wow it feels so weird, being 930 and dealing 2.8k dmg xD

[strange python]

but ur not 930 now

[warm parcel]

930

[unique ice]

930

[strange python]

you're like, 215

[unique ice]

damn son

[warm parcel]

Rported

[unique ice]

where you get that loot

[warm parcel]

And deported

[unique ice]

built his own boat and sailed to zandalar

[warm parcel]

[vernal atlas]

LOL ure right haha

[strange python]

shit, dude sailed into the next two xpacs for that ilvl

[vernal atlas]

Iam 199 xD

oh GOD

you mad emy day worse lul

[uncut shale]

Someone is 930 NOW!?!

[unique ice]

i'm only 231

[strange python]

I'm only 237 😦

[uncut shale]

245 here... >.>

[strange python]

I just want addons to work

[deep solstice]

What is an addon?

[uncut shale]

All of them

[strange python]

my WA's are broke, my tidyplates aren't useable, hearkitty is down

[zealous dew]

the moment where the more you drop ilevel the more dps you gain

[strange python]

FeelsBadMan

[fair aspen]

my WAs works just fine

[vernal atlas]

worldquests offer better rewards than my normal gear lul

[uncut shale]

My WAs won't even load.

[unique ice]

BfA is gonna be lit for me, I have a ton of classes in the fall semester, it'll be nice to sneak a nap in during raids by playing sin.

[shrewd night]

You mean you have to update your addons and WAs?

Naaaaaaa

[strange python]

everything IS updated m8

[vivid bone]

Liar

[deep solstice]

4 Piece is so strong that dropping 50 ilvls on my gloves is still like 500 dps gain......lol

[uncut shale]

I mean I have but I don't see a WA update naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[fair aspen]

mfw haste is now my top stat

[unique ice]

haste is now eveyrone's top stat

[uncut shale]

Don't project your shitty habits brotato

[vivid bone]

Check github for latest addon updates

[shrewd night]

Naaaaaaaa

[uncut shale]

ROOD

[shrewd night]

There cant be an update there luke

[unique ice]

your WAs are probably broken because they have WAs for talents that got removed

not because your addon is out of date

[shrewd night]

NAAAAAAAA

[nimble tartan]

my mom said if hb gets nerfed she will ground me because i spent her last 1k essences on the cloak :/

[oak basalt]

Hey, you think that the new "execute" is good or not ?

[unique ice]

mine are busted but i'm too lazy to fix that mess right now

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pTSV5kJwQDj8Kjp1KzngGQ

[unique ice]

maybe if it wasn't having to compete with master poisoner

but master poisoner is master poisoner.

[ripe nimbus]

u mean EP?

[oak basalt]

don't know the name haha

[shrewd night]

Hes talking about blindside

[vast mauve]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dWyP2wrKUtGbQZ16W21qLd

[oak basalt]

And what about the exsanguinate build ? That was good on beta

[shrewd night]

Sim it and find out

[meager ice]

crown simming high for me

with insignia

[uncut shale]

I'm ok with this. No cloak or HB. Not the best numbers, but ok.

[ripe geyser]

what to do tho if you only have 2 leggos? 🤔 hard to sim with alll then right?

[uncut shale]

Become a patron

[unique ice]

if you've only got 2 leggos, good news

i found your 2 best leggos

[shrewd night]

You can still sim items you dont have you know

[strange python]

😄

get item id's m8

[ripe geyser]

@unique ice I got 5 but, waist is shit, will of valeera shit, crucible ring shit and KJ trinket is meh

[strange python]

then u don't only have 2 leggos

wutumeen

[ripe geyser]

So I only count my IoR ring and the 1000 essence as my leggos

:)))

[shrewd night]

Get a free leggo from m+ cache

[ripe geyser]

@shrewd night omegalul

[ancient sonnet]

so uh what do we do now that we cant use cloak

[uncut shale]

I got 15 free leggos because I have 15 level 110s.

[ancient sonnet]

any idea what leggos are pog?

[shrewd night]

Whats omegalul about that?

[ripe geyser]

mate, thats what im waiting for. But don't want to buy some shit leggo

[shrewd night]

Buy ring then

[strange python]

insignia seems to be stronk

[ripe geyser]

IoR? I already have it if you scroll up 15 lines

[uncut shale]

Ring seems a hands down BiS in any combo.

[strange python]

then your best bet

[ripe geyser]

So I only count my IoR ring So I only count my IoR ring So I only count my IoR ring So I only count my IoR ring So I only count my IoR ring

[uncut shale]

IoR wins in all the top gear sims I have tried this far.

[strange python]

Sorry typo. you should sim other legos

[uncut shale]

thus*

[stark token]

Can someone remind me what the ring does?

[ripe geyser]

15% shadow damage

[shrewd night]

15 lines up it said crucible ring

[ripe geyser]

when using ST combo point spells

[royal bronze]

Insig/Sephuz sims 40k ahead of Insig/Bracers

[shrewd night]

HMMMMM

[stark token]

Ty!

[royal bronze]

Feelsbadman

[uncut shale]

IoR + Mantle sims best for me.

[meager ice]

try insig/crown

[slow aspen]

so insig is pretty good rn?

[sudden brook]

yes

[ripe geyser]

insig is bis

[slow aspen]

okay 😃

[strange python]

bracers+insig bis

[uncut shale]

I think IoR is our one safe BiS leggo

[stark token]

Do I pick insignia for levelling though 😂

[ancient sonnet]

so if no cloak i assume PB is also pog talent as well

[strange python]

yeah crimson seems meh when i tried it

[uncut shale]

PB sims pretty good

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8a6Hip2f57YUUoDBesdMKH

[slow aspen]

how about the +10% aa dmg ring? how many ilvls it taht bonus worth?

[strange python]

no hb no cloak

[ripe geyser]

I guess PB is the only viable ST 100 talent?

[sudden brook]

yes.

[meager ice]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/awEBpbGBidfjVAnEHMQpC9

[strange python]

man fux u guys and ur high ilvls

[open reef]

ok so after nerf - wrists insignia t21 p4 and t20 p2

[ancient sonnet]

considering yesterday i was simming 11k thanks to cloak xd

[uncut shale]

EP > Blindside you guys think or can Blindside be better in prepatch?

[ripe scaffold]

@slow aspen 225 aa ring simmed 150 dps higher for me than a 240 haste mastery ring

[ancient sonnet]

220 aa ring simmed 100 higher than 240 haste mast ring for me

[strange python]

wtf does 220 aa ring mean? im cnofused

confused

[slow aspen]

so a 167 version would be better than a 181

[ripe geyser]

drops in CoS

[sudden brook]

the ring that gives auto attack damage

[ripe geyser]

crito

[strange python]

oh, yeah

[ancient sonnet]

huh so apparently im simming best with sephuz and insig

thats my next highest combo after cloak insig

[royal bronze]

same ^^

[unique ice]

that haste

[strange python]

yeah but, you cant proc hasate on most boss fights?

haste*

[royal bronze]

my highest is sephuz insig then bracers insig

[ancient sonnet]

but it assumes you proc it

thats the aids thing

[royal bronze]

im gonna stick with bracers insig for raid tongiht

[ancient sonnet]

same

[deep solstice]

Shoulders / Ravenholdt are simming best for me by a good margin

[shy orbit]

eu up?

[solemn trout]

how about Jeweled Signet of Melandrus?

[ancient sonnet]

p gud

[royal bronze]

honeslty EP only sims 20k more for me

I wanna try out new ability to fill my kingsbane slot lmao

[uncut shale]

simming 4.5 million iterations of sims across 3 windows right now. xD