or you know there's the pins laid out for ya
#assassination
sand whale
serene basin
we dont even use haste in sin' gear
ornate gazelle
removing cloak on herodamage puts bracers/insignia as bis
civic palm
We do now.
sudden brook
well now we do
civic palm
Get over it.
serene basin
Oh right
sudden brook
its not like u need to be competitive on the alst month unless u care about getting ur m argus mount
just how we gear in the future
or just item restore lol
serene basin
im just expressing myself
civic palm
Of course.
sudden brook
but why is it a bad thing
ripe bramble
Remind me again, item restore is limited to once a month correct?
rare pumice
not bad in the long run, but it's a bit of a grumbler right now
sudden brook
once every 15 days
strange python
Once per 15 days
ripe bramble
Oh that's not so bad
sour wraith
but you can get multiple items per session
strange python
too slow
civic palm
You get limited requests for restoration, but can restore a lot during each request.
pale scroll
wow cloak really beat Mantle of the Master Assassin
civic palm
Give that a few hours O _O
sudden brook
i wont
arctic isle
because everyone said it wouldnt
civic palm
It sounded like one of the buffs was nerfed.
arctic isle
because hurr durr leveling doesnt matter
sudden brook
i didnt get to experience the bomb
civic palm
You will get plenty of [P]bomb now though :3
sudden brook
:3
sand whale
well I mean I could one shot an entire party of alliance I'm sure someone's gonna cry enough to nerf it
arctic isle
no u couldnt
sudden brook
u couldnt tho
hearty socket
lvling doesnt matter
outlaw trinket from archimonde in wod
would make you crit in the millions
strange python
It wasn’t good in pvp anyways
hearty socket
then u go to shit at 110
strange python
They nerfed it for pvp like 1y ago
arctic isle
why would someone lie about one shotting in a discord
sudden brook
u really think somebody would go on the internet and tell lies
civic palm
silk sundial
I read the guides and I know a lot of things can change, just curious how is blindside good? Yeah it does more damage but it only generates 1 combo point and two uses more energy than mutilate making it take longer to get finishers
arctic isle
should we be offended
exotic glen
Procs are free
deep beacon
Well I haven't had to use it yet but I set it upl, definitely sounds like a fun one 😃
arctic isle
it might be too high apm for most players
tired gull
blindside costs more than mutilate? 🤔
sudden brook
idk, sim urself
dense meadow
blindside is my shit, I hope it stays viable
nocturne gate
in 4h the servers are goin live in eu^^ so i have to wait a bit :D
remote wing
good luck they r still down here
dense meadow
Servers aren't even alive here
steep citrus
yeah, but their servers are on the metric system. shouldn't have this issue
tired gull
facts
arctic isle
explain oceanic
silk sundial
Not Sin related, but anyone notice bad fps if you could get logged on? I got on for a few minutes and they were pretty bad
dense meadow
Can't remember. but my dalaran load time was really good. maybe because less people were on
remote wing
video setting changed maybe mine did
silk sundial
I know they got rid of Fullscreen mode which will cause a drop in fps
remote wing
plus min system reqs went up i think
ya rip fullscreen
windowed fullscreen is trash
civic palm
Fullscreen Mode only increased FPS due to poor handling of windowed.
hearty socket
servers up?
civic palm
You should see an increase on DX12 once it's fully in.
hearty socket
TEST DA KNIVES
civic palm
Especially if you are on a lower end system.
silk sundial
I got in maybe?
silk sundial
Hope I dont get dc'd again
hearty socket
or npcs
zealous lily
i'm seeing people on my friends list pop on
hearty socket
nvm we goog
rotund pier
servers up
dense meadow
well my loading screen seems to be stuck
zealous lily
i was just logged in to beta BFA
ebon bramble
loadin gscreen rip
sudden brook
dense meadow
yeah that's exactly where mine is
dense meadow
world server down it says
sour wraith
fok still stacks
empty crescent
it doesnt do the damage
idle hemlock
i just did a 35k FoK
hearty socket
D:
empty crescent
was like 300k-400k earlier
arctic isle
400k lul
remote wing
world server is down
empty crescent
xD
hearty socket
thought it was 100k
remote wing
100kl the highest i seen
empty crescent
probably was i dont really remember, but its super low now
civic palm
It was doing 10M earlier.
hearty socket
i 1 shot argus
sudden brook
im pretty sure its exactly the same
arctic isle
i did 15k on a raid dummy without flying daggers
sudden brook
at least the numbers are, unless it does less to actual targets
it was 400 from flying daggers, and 1050 from the cape so its the same
arctic isle
pre patch doesnt matter 4head
strange python
Equip shoulders and cloak without talent , try it out , then with talent and see if there’s a difference
sudden brook
85 dummies in org
sour wraith
yea
civic palm
Stop?
arctic isle
ur kidding
sour wraith
your damage gets scaled up
sudden brook
o fuk
sour wraith
hit the ??? dummies
strange python
I just did lol
hearty socket
thats good
sharp idol
idle hemlock
22k FoK with both. 16k FoK with just back
civic palm
For all we know it's an issue that was generated by other scaling issues.
hearty socket
coldheart for dks hits like 20k
civic palm
So fixing one fixed the other > _>
nocturne gate
haha
strange python
eh I'll have to check in the world then
sharp idol
cursive hatch
seems to hit around 4-6k with one of either effect, and up to 16k~ with both effects
arctic isle
now that that's fixed what's the point of this spec?
empty tide
empty tide
1050% + 450%
sudden brook
insig bracers
royal bronze
what does insig do now? just stat stick or?
hearty socket
for lvling?
cursive hatch
dead spec boys, rip fok
strange python
serious?
sand whale
ya
strange python
the hidden blade stacking isnt working lol, just hitting for 10k on mobs and dummies
sand whale
fok is gone
sudden brook
kinda glad this is fixed, now i can play more sub
civic palm
no
sand whale
foknomo
cursive hatch
was getting 5-6k hits either stacked, and 16k with both
strange python
what were you getting before
cursive hatch
my outlaw sim was only 500 behind the fok build
strange python
my friend was one shotting mobs in M+ with FoK
cursive hatch
55k~
strange python
ohh lmao
strange python
live?
cursive hatch
my 55k hits were with subterfuge
royal bronze
whats the talent setup for fok build
cursive hatch
yeah live
strange python
so what did they change exactly, sorry I'm slow
my friend is pist, he wanted to play silly fok
cursive hatch
stealth nerf, the numbers in the tooltips are all the same
tooltip with both stacked
ornate gazelle
so do we have a confirmation if cloak and hb stack or not now?
sour wraith
they "stack"
cursive hatch
with nighstalker
sour wraith
but it isn't like how it was before the realms went down
sand whale
they stack but multiplier is changed and does not reflect from tooltip
strange python
Go someone tweet at blizz and complain /s
*at
i mean it's still going to be powerful right?
sand whale
no
strange python
oh lol
sand whale
it's shit now
cursive hatch
actual hits
not sure what part got nerfed, I'm suspecting its the cloak
or its some weird formula to make their stacking worse, hard to say
hearty socket
seems like it doesnt read wpn dmg or stats?
idk
how something would tank so bad
and be a 100 talent
civic palm
No, one of the modifiers is lesser now, and the tooltip isn't updated.
cursive hatch
it was an intentional nerf
strange python
I imagine cold heart got the same nerf
civic palm
and nerfing the cloak means the lvl100 talent will be fine later on.
cursive hatch
pretty sure the cloak is nerfed
strange python
Prolly tuned down cloak so they leave the talent alone
thick comet
yeah i just tested it on the dummies in the class hall and it hit for 5k fully stacked lol
cursive hatch
since the cloak and the talent by themselves do roughly the same
so both probably the same amount, 400%
thick comet
10k crit
cursive hatch
instead fo 1050+400%
thick comet
civic palm
Most other options seem very close atm.
civic palm
uhhuh
hearty socket
fukn NERD
undone minnow
curious if internal bleeding will work on a boss since it comes from kidney shot?
haughty parrot
arctic isle
no
sand whale
bleh they can fix this but not sub t21 4pc lol
strange python
iirc it works
undone minnow
i tried it on a boss target dummy and it didnt work
strange python
oh.
strange python
well dummies have no kidneys.
hearty socket
undone minnow
haha 🤔
haughty parrot
sudden brook
well now that the hidden blades meme is dead whats next
blazing mountain
anyone got tips on talent choices for pvp setup for ass?
plush lake
neurotoxin seems good
royal bronze
Isn't leeching poison way better than cheat death? In normal circumstances?
sudden brook
depends
royal bronze
10% leech seems super strong
sudden brook
so does ignoring death
dense meadow
unscheduled maintenance , i guess I'm just not going to get to play tonight
faint creek
What the fok
subtle lodge
what the fok indeed
sweet rampart
is herodamages sims updated?
rotund pier
Belts actually before bracer if you take cloak off the sim list on HD
its unselected by default for some reason, but if you put it back on it's 2nd after cloak
fleet whale
Assassination is pretty good in pvp right now
gritty quarry
So if I were to choose one which would outperfrom the other Bracers or Shoulders?
fleet whale
and by pretty good I mean overpowered
strange python
why not just check the sims.
cold token
if im getting this right, FoK build is top rn ?
strange python
it just got nerfed so probably not anymore.
limber wagon
FoK build is nerfed hard
sweet rampart
ahh so sims are not updated yet!
pliant sorrel
Bleed rogue best pvp rogue ?!
silk sundial
The FoK cloak w/ the FoK talent was nerfed?
limber wagon
yes
strange python
Yes but the tooltips apparently aren't updating so the details are unknown.
limber wagon
I got a 12k crit with full stacks
strange python
:(
haughty parrot
its still worth using i think
silk sundial
So is mantle boots still the best leggo setup for now?
unreal fog
It went from 80k+ to around 10k meh
exotic fractal
oh fok not worth using anymore?
strange python
nope
exotic fractal
uh, what was plan b quick im in raid 😦
unreal fog
Bracers probably
tranquil birch
I'd think boots on pure feely craft?
steep obsidian
Wait the already hot fixed fok cloak?
strange python
yeaaa
dire spoke
what 8|
alpine oracle
strange python
omg even before eu get to try it out..
steep obsidian
I didn’t even get a chance to sploit it!
strange python
same
tight ore
can anyone provides some insights about stats priority as of now?
dire spoke
pins
vocal dock
pins
strange python
Try testing the dmg with and without the cloak. Because if they still interact in some way, it might be better.
haste-crit -mast versa as far as ived seen
subtle lodge
what did they do to fok
silk sundial
Yeah, haste crit mast versa is what I'm simming
tight ore
gotcha.....who would've thought, haste assassination rogue....
strange python
Mastery is rock bottom for me. But that is with busted fok sims.
fleet whale
oh blindside (or dispatch) how I have missed thee
strange python
Would be nice if there’s a answer from blizz what they nerfed there
prolly due to fok yeah / since versa will up overall damage on fok
dire spoke
what do you mean hotfixed cloak? https://snag.gy/Rkwbef.jpg
strange python
but nerfed now
rugged snow
still same stats how is it nerfed
tight ore
it's just that the dmg output of the cloak is not even close to the tooltip
subtle lodge
yea hotfxied i mean, i dont see what changed
strange python
It still stacks. Tooltip isnt changed either. But the dmg is noticeably lower.
subtle lodge
oh okay
tight ore
you can compare it to current exisiting warcraftlogs.....I was wondering for so long why my FoK didn't hit 50-60K like someone else did.....
subtle lodge
so poison bomb? or sim to find out
strange python
apl isn't updated AFAIK so can't sim it.
strange python
Just said. It is still probably old fok.
tight ore
oh I think previously it was multiplication, they hotfixed it to be just addition
if that's the way then it makes sense now
previously it would be 4x10.5 = 42 times dmg
jovial kite
Yeah they changed from multiplative to additive
tight ore
now it's just 4+10.5 = 14.5 times dmg.......
undone minnow
where is this hot fix for FoK?
tight ore
I didn't get to play with FoK one-shot grp of ppl and didn't get to play with this....feelsbadman
undone minnow
is it on wow head or something
strange python
Still not horrible. HB and PB were close in sims without cloak. Perhaps it will still be best for st.
jovial kite
fok isnt hotfixed
Cloak interaction with hb is
At the end of the day, it was too good to be true and only relevant for prepatch and 110-115
strange python
garrotes damage is on par with rupture now.
royal bronze
oh really? ok thanks!
vague patrol
so what are people using if not cloak?
jovial kite
insig boots / wrist
strange python
you can see the herodamage sims with cloak filtered out.
and with haste you get more bleeds tics in
scales
rotund pier
belt is automatically unselected in HD
if u take cloak off and add,belt and insigis sims highest
grim sable
Insig of... Grand Army?
jovial kite
no
vague patrol
raven i think
jovial kite
Belt will most likely not be great in raid scenarios
rotund pier
edited
echo cargo
so now that fok sux, what do we use?
jovial kite
as killtimes are faster
hasty swan
didn't even realize that garrote can now be used on more tahn 1 target
strange python
hehe
vocal dock
Aren’t shoulders still good?
frail gate
Garrote has always been usable on more than one as long as it was off cooldown
silk sundial
They lowered the cooldown making it easier now though
hasty swan
right, but now that it has no cd from stealth it will be ten times better
strange python
shoulders are still okay. Insig is taking over the world. Couldn't tell you why.
vapid moth
jovial kite
it didnt have cd for 3 sec if u played subt either
frail gate
Insig has good benefits with ep
strange python
I think it got worse actually.
silk sundial
hmm, if you use the ring you can have MfD as well as vigor
vocal dock
it got dogshit lol@
silk sundial
Would it be worth running the shadowblade ring so you can have vigor as well as mfd?
vocal dock
no
vapid moth
has anyone tried a haste build yet
native mica
did they nerf hidden blades?
vapid moth
why do you ask
native mica
it's only doing like 2% of my damage i wonder if poison bomb is better
strange python
Haste is the top stat so I'd imagine it's good.
silk sundial
So, I know its been asked but why is insignia so good atm?
storm canopy
Thinking of coming back to my rogue. If we do not have cloak are we still taking hidden blades?
strange python
Hmm so if haste pieces are better would it be worth removing your set pieces to build up haste?
Probably not.
strange python
Yeah because I have 2 pieces that increase haste by 4-5% each and it would put me at 18%
you can sim it
Ohh true
ornate gazelle
Envenom still at 4 cp's?
jovial kite
Yes
strange python
yes
ornate gazelle
kk
cyan forge
is the back legendary is still worth using after hotfix?
torn token
is there a soft cap on haste?
copper marsh
Is Cloak still bis for st aswell ? after the hotfix
strange python
no
jovial kite
Not for st, sim it
fossil dove
has apl magically been updated in last 15 minutes?
rugged snow
if we buy the Hollow legendary for a rogue is it stil lrandom
jovial kite
hb cloak hits around 3/4ths less
fallen sandal
Hi guys
jovial kite
check simulationcraft nightlies
fallen sandal
i dont get why the cloak is better now
strange python
its not
dire spoke
it may be not
fallen sandal
hero damage say so
royal bronze
would you guys recommend boots or bracers now with insig?
rough charm
up to you
civic palm
We recommend waiting for the sims to be updated, but atm they were showing bracers being better than boots with Insignia.
halcyon tulip
they nerfed fan
rugged snow
Guys if we purchase the Hollow Skeleton Key for the rogue class is it still random?
strange python
Why not just buy the leggo u want? lol
thorny cosmos
yes @rugged snow
frail gate
Hidden Satyr neck enchant simming highest for me on sin
fallen sandal
assa is still > sub / outlaw or outlaw is > ?
strange python
are sims update with "fokish" nerf
jovial kite
No
strange python
since you say hidden is best
fringe mist
does the hidden blades talent and the dreadlords deceit lego stack?
civic palm
Love these tiny numbers;
jovial kite
yes @fringe mist
vapid moth
the fan build is scary
frail gate
Why do you only have 7 haste enchant you missin a full 2 haste bro
jovial kite
So in st its not as good anymore
fringe mist
ty ty
strange python
Is there a new stat priority for sin now? 😦
meager plover
did 5.1k on normal garothi
jovial kite
Pins
fringe ginkgo
So confirmed no more hidden blade cloak double dip right?
jovial kite
yes
fringe ginkgo
ty
jovial kite
Changed from multiplative to additive
haughty parrot
so what should use now?
jovial kite
Probably bracer insig
haughty parrot
still hidden blades or PB?
jovial kite
most likely pb for st
strong folio
fringe mist
anyone know what talents for pvp? im bout to check the pvp discord
obtuse robin
it is harder cuz we r not as tanky
charred terrace
which Insignia are the sims talking about?
meager plover
ravenholdt
jovial kite
Ravenholdt
rough charm
is EP still better than MP?
charred terrace
ty
strange python
yes
rough charm
kk ty sir
tidal sapphire
if we arent stacking FoK is this BFA guide in the pins still accurate?
tidal sapphire
whats best tier 100 st talent?
haughty parrot
where you seeing the sims list?
jovial kite
Unless you wanna do it yourself
fallen sandal
i simm higher in ST with insigna cloak + hidden blades
jovial kite
yes the apl isnt modified
strange python
In the pins. Herodamage
vapid moth
what dps should i be seeing at 960/970?
rough charm
everything's kinda fucked right now cause of the FoK/HB shit. so just sim yourself and go from there
jovial kite
we dont know yet
midnight flower
Lul
jovial kite
hb cloak dmg got nerfed by around 3/4ths. Not visible in sims yet
vapid moth
does the stat stick that is prydaz do anything
jovial kite
so dont know how far down it will fall
fleet whale
Twist the knife appears to be quite powerful for pure ST
supple mesa
Twist the knife? Sorry im slow
strange python
he just said we dont know yet how the new hb + cloak will compare
zealous lily
pb simming about 100 dps better for me single target for me than CT
fleet whale
twist the knife is an azerite trait
silk sundial
On 1-3 targets Pb is simming better than CT for me. Haven't tried more yet, Raidbots wait time is so long right now
strange python
surprising on 3 targets
woven bane
so did they already nerf the FoK double buff?
strange python
yes
zealous lily
yes sniffy.
woven bane
even before i even had a chance to try it 😦
strange python
additive, no longer multiplicative
gleaming geyser
I'm simming pretty close with mantle/insignia
im running a few tests with insignia/bracers and insignia/sephuz
zealous lily
i got one screenshot of a big hit on a dummy before i was couldn't log in again for eternity
silk sundial
I mean my stats are garbage right now, only have 5% haste. So with more haste and more targets CT might be better
pastel wasp
what are the 2 bis leggos now?
hearty socket
what was the name of the lege bracers
orchid flume
Kjbw
hearty socket
zoldyck?
zealous lily
sim a bunch of them skor
jovial vault
strange python
zoldycks training shackles
silk sundial
Take out cloak though, its messing with sims
orchid flume
Hxh lol
tired gull
oh and cloak is only 130dps higher than bracers+insignia
jovial kite
bracer insig with pb will most likely be the go to
strange python
interesting
jovial kite
We dont know until nightly is pushed though
supple mesa
However thats with HB
haughty parrot
whats your ilvl @supple mesa
supple mesa
249
jovial kite
So take it with grain of salt
haughty parrot
HB?
supple mesa
Hidden blade
haughty parrot
oo
woven bane
is dispatch still not a valid option out of the 3?
haughty parrot
sub or nightstalker?
civic palm
I need more O _O
fleet whale
yes dispatch appears to be decent
tawny shell
was cloak and hb hotfixed yet?
gleaming geyser
subterfuge
tired gull
my lock has 40% haste
fleet whale
or blindside
strange python
blindside appears to be underperforming.
gleaming geyser
blindside is poop
jovial kite
Yes @tawny shell
gleaming geyser
cant use with venom rush, doesnt work with TB
woven bane
i dont understand why they didnt give us dispatch as baseline
fleet whale
it's simming the highest for ST at 120...
sour wraith
is there a way to track when my garrote is buffed by subt?
jovial kite
wa
sour wraith
i mean within wa
gleaming geyser
I feel like blindside is only picked because secondaries are so low you cant keep EP up enough
and MP is kinda shit
at 120
that is
versed fulcrum
guys, someone can made WA works?
fringe ginkgo
Yeah this is my sim with insignia / bracers and 2p20 4p21
https://i.imgur.com/5Th8Jvl.png
versed fulcrum
Importing...
supple mesa
Pb CT and HB sim very close.
woven bane
hm is it rly worth to take EP over MP for that juicy 19 dps 😄
supple mesa
I think for m+ CT might be best though
silk sundial
MP is simming higher for me at 110 with meh stats
desert hazel
What ilvl is that pars
strange python
in my experience. apl doesnt evem use hb correctly.
fringe ginkgo
237
strange python
sample action sequence showed opener was garrote > fok. Why not wait until vendetta to fok
gleaming geyser
yea. I've seen instances of FoK 2 seconds before Vendetta was up
desert hazel
What ilvl was that yesterday @fringe ginkgo
gleaming geyser
with cloak on
fringe ginkgo
962 I think
desert hazel
My (950) rogue sims highest at 5.3k with fok build
tawny shell
@jovial kite its hotfixed on live? my FoK is still hitting like a truck
jovial kite
HOLD YOUR HORSES FAM
-The interaction for HB + CLOAK got reworked. The calculations are now additive instead of multiplicative. This means around 3/4ths nerf to the calculations of the cloak + hb interaction.
-This means CLOAK may or may not be the go to going forward
-This means HB may or may not be the go to going forward
-Current simulations in raidbots.com DO NOT have this change taken into account
-We'll need to WAIT for simulationcraft team to push out a new nightly
gleaming geyser
that result is flawed
FoK got fixed, simulationcraft doesnt take that into account
strange python
slackjack on damage control duty
tawny shell
word
desert hazel
I guess we'll see come tomorrow
dire spoke
let's sim it K A P P A
civic palm
Whatcha pinging me for butthead?
dire spoke
wow fok u then
civic palm
o0o0o0o0oo listen here punk
dire spoke
no u
strange python
O _O
tough lantern
so HB is weaker than CT in M+? even with Dreadlords?
jovial kite
i need to actual work now
civic palm
(O > _>)------O
civic palm
Doesn't O _O
dire spoke
Q(<_ <Q)
civic palm
up 17% haste, need some enchants though =\
mild obsidian
Back+HB got fixed so what legos to use now? Bracers and insig?
zealous lily
PB spec
dire spoke
MARK OF THE CLAW U SCHNITZEL
civic palm
I NEED A RING ENCHANT YOU PRETZEL
zealous lily
use claw?
strange python
dunno until new sims are updated.
vapid moth
does raidbots take into account pvp talents?
strange python
no
vapid moth
im just not able to hit my sim value then
zealous lily
this has me with satyr on hounds kill https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7TW4KbyR6FJtCrZf/#fight=last&type=damage-done
strange python
probably because of the hb and cloak hotfix..
gleaming geyser
desert hazel
How in the hell is leggos like that belt beating bracers or even boots....
civic palm
Cindi > _>
gleaming geyser
best i could do without cloak or fok
civic palm
Cindi probably still is overweight.
gleaming geyser
yea, most likely
jovial kite
belt is not representative of current raids
jovial kite
the killtimes go down from last week
strange python
lmao
nocturne herald
strange python
auctioneers need to rest
vapid moth
for the first time ive removed the tier chest
strange python
I want to use mantle since I dont have an adequate shoulder replacement
tough lantern
wiat cloak got hotfixed?
desert hazel
I have a feelings sims is off or something to that effect
vapid moth
strange python
well its a new patch and apls are constantly being updated
tranquil sedge
do we have a kingsbane replacement?
somber hill
!weakauaras
jovial kite
no?
arctic isle
yes
somber hill
Is there new BFA weakauara link?
arctic isle
toxic blade
nocturne gate
beer
arctic isle
it's the same ability
vapid moth
hey there are new item sets listed
slim estuary
so do we item resto all our haste gear now?
zealous lily
i restoed a goreschalach
frail gate
A lot of the haste gear and crit gear is now way better than our old gear, I got rid of multiple pieces and restored old 965-985 haste pieces that sim way better than my legion stuff did, goreschalach only sims better on multi target/chaotic adds
strange python
What made cinidaria spike so hard this patch?
frail gate
If you have a seeping scorgewing Im extremely jealous of you, I got rid of mine
dire spoke
rogues
deep beacon
Some of these addons taking forever to update
frail gate
Most addons are updatd
somber hill
nightmare egg shell?
slim estuary
gonna go resto all my haste gear
strange python
thanks for letting us know 🤔
somber hill
Anyone got new 8.0 weakauars for assas?
unique furnace
deep beacon
Current outfitter is broken...anyway to automatically assign a macro to the default equipment sets?
jovial kite
You can sim it
dire spoke
CAN PEOPLE WAIT A FEW HOURS UNTIL EVERYBODY CAN CATCH UP ON THINGS AND SPOONFEED YOU
jovial kite
HOLD YOUR HORSES FAM
-The interaction for HB + CLOAK got reworked. The calculations are now additive instead of multiplicative. This means around 3/4ths nerf to the calculations of the cloak + hb interaction.
-This means CLOAK may or may not be the go to going forward
-This means HB may or may not be the go to going forward
-Current simulations in raidbots.com DO NOT have this change taken into account
-We'll need to WAIT for simulationcraft team to push out a new nightly
deep beacon
@somber hill Just go get it off of curseforge or twitch app
nimble tartan
PIN DAT SHIT
vapid moth
binding of haste is currently 4.8k gold wtf
somber hill
No i mean like actual strings for weakauras
that work with the new rogue assas build
fallen sandal
on my serv it's 400po
strange python
my old ones work fine.
fallen sandal
golds*
deep beacon
There just a few that gave me errors
nimble tartan
agi simming highest for me poggers
solemn mason
What talents change with haste gear?
nimble tartan
we mainstat again boys
strange python
except I can no longer pretend the surge of toxins wa is elaborate planning.
upper island
bleeds or poison?
solemn mason
Or most so what a the idea behind haste gear being better for sin now?
frail gate
Pins
naive scarab
hey guys anyone post definitive sims yet? trying to figure out talent choices
frail gate
Check the pins
fleet forum
what is HB?
jovial kite
hidden blades
dire spoke
You can setup the mee6 bot with a timed message, it should post to check the pins and be patient
=_ =
jovial kite
Hb does the same amount of damage alone
somber hill
Anyone got a nice Weakauara for HB stacks counting both?
naive scarab
all i see i paste bin stuff 😦
jovial kite
But less with cloak
fringe ginkgo
SoT is an enemy debuff, EP is a self buff if you were having problems with just changing it to EP
echo cargo
Any generic haste % that's pretty good?
fleet forum
anyone got new weakaruas for it?
frail gate
I wouldn't go getting weakauras for the stuff that just got hotfixed
naive scarab
Love you noki
austere tangle
whats bis?
tranquil sedge
is blindside garbo?
naive scarab
I know the uncertainty is fun lol ... just came from so much certainty with my rotation and talents on lockdown ... and now poof! all new baby
jovial kite
currently all the other talents and leg combinations should stay the same except whats listed as best
Which is insig cloak hb
naive scarab
my main is envisceral on area 52
vapid moth
@echo cargo you can definitely feel the difference between 5 and 15%
fringe ginkgo
I always enjoyed blindside'
frail gate
http://www.ravenholdt.net/battle-for-azeroth-quickstart-guides/ HB/Dreadlords combo got hotfixed this evening (07-17-2018) they work differently now and are doing less damage so the current guide might not be wrong, we're waiting for updates/new apls to figure it out. Best bet is to just wait or go start smackin the target dummy. All of the herodamage/ravenholdt guides/pages are based on pre HB/Cape changes.
naive scarab
doesnt lego ring stack now with blindside? that sounds amazing
dire spoke
grats
echo cargo
@vapid moth just went from 2 to 17%, pretty amped
jovial kite
So are raids
tranquil sedge
is anyone having an issue transmoging MH kingsbane?
fringe ginkgo
No, don't think insignia procs off blindside
sweet rampart
@fleet forum is your weak auras even working? mine isn't
grim sable
heroic dogs is waaay overtuned
terse citrus
sup all
grim sable
the Singed debuff if you get targetted does 12k per tick
fringe ginkgo
messed around on the target dummy and it's not showing up in details when I blindside
civic palm
o _o
orchid flume
When you gotta equip that green
cyan forge
wow cindaria simming so high, what happened
orchid flume
The meme came true
jovial kite
only on paper
civic palm
Nothing Cindi has always simmed weird.
jovial kite
10% will last way less than a week ago
civic palm
She's a weirdo.
jovial kite
so its probably not representative of reality
fleet whale
I was able to restore some haste gear a few mins ago, now im at 23% haste
with 34 crit
versed fulcrum
I cannot import this wa @fleet forum 😦
drifting cosmos
supple mesa
Cant help it
Im 50%crit 15% haste 40% mastery 11% vers
its what simmed best
for my set up
50% mastery*
winter pecan
Where do you sim yourself guys? raidbots?
supple mesa
yes
strong lotus
best enchant is satyr or claw now?
jovial kite
Youll need to sim it
pastel wasp
sp00nfeed me slack
jovial kite
Might fluctuate between different builds
honest needle
if im talented into my lego shoulders now as a talent are my lego shoulders useless now that im wearing ?
limber plover
jovial kite
if u use shoulders
jovial kite
neither 
honest needle
really
jovial kite
check the pins
tacit pebble
so poison bomb last row and bracers ST?
civic palm
bracers are 1% under mantle for me 😦
supple mesa
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/diGJMbggWjP5e42ALEoWW9
if you want to see how bracers simmed
for me atleast
they simmed lower than sephuz and symbiote
supple mesa
numbers likes 2210023
royal bronze
yes
grim sable
yes
haughty parrot
wrong spec section? lol
jaunty pilot
nightstalker*
supple mesa
I'm not sure if the question was answered, but whats best neck enchant? My apologies if it was answered 😄
strange python
Mark of the hidden satyr
grim sable
Also, my sim says not to use T21 4pc o.0
honest needle
im lookin at bfa guild i see rotation and stuff but i dont see taleents ?
where do i find best talents
sry for the questions
deep beacon
Check the pin
honest needle
havent played much beta
deep beacon
And it will say a series of numbers
Align those numbers with talent trees so if it says 3210021 it means pick talent choice 3 for the first row of talents
A 0 means open choice no impact on rotation, etc.
sudden ravine
https://pastebin.com/g57gL4ip in the paste bin in the pinned messages has the info you're looking for
shadow imp
I saw the pin that the back and ring were the good leggos to use. Tpinned guide show use taking crimson temp. though. Does this change the leggos?
fleet whale
yes KB is gone
slim estuary
So they patched th HB + cloak synergy?
echo cargo
i'm running NS + Tempest
grim sable
yes PapaG
whole peak
are best legos still cloak and ring after hotfix then?
strong lotus
shoulder/ring from my sims
whole peak
soul or insig?
sharp idol
go sit on a target dumby for 2 hours
strong lotus
insignia
fleet whale
On my sim my APM was at 49... so close to 50
sharp idol
belt ring simmed highest for me but not by much
sharp idol
yeah i smell that
slim estuary
Are we using shoulders or the shoulder talent at all? If not why not
honest needle
does the right gear really matter since we are going to replace it soon as new expansion comes out anyway
grim sable
shoulder talent is bad
shrewd pine
Its shite talent. Thats why.
fleet whale
people just like to have fun with experimenting on the pre-patch
versed fulcrum
ahsduahsudhasd
slim estuary
Whys shoulder LEGO being replaced them? Thought the crit was bis
honest needle
ya im just gonna wait for new expansion . Since im done raiding untill new xpac
grim sable
because it's a new expansion and everything is changing?
slim estuary
We’re still getting argus mounts, that’s why I care
strange python
Its fun and you also get a taste of how you want your class to be in bfa
And what talents you will have during leveling
honest needle
im 9/11 mythic thats good enough for me my guild stop;ped raiding, and im not trying to pug
strange python
Yeahh I started late raiding
honest needle
i def wanna get a feel for the new talents i just dont want to worry about certain legos when there gonna be gone very soon
copper marsh
Now I kinda wish ive rolled for shoulders :/
austere spade
btw boys belt buckles are working again
copper marsh
(not legendary shoulder)
austere spade
get free sockets
strange python
Got to 1/11 M recently :/
copper marsh
Elaborate Planning or Blindside ?
royal bronze
Anyone know how far EP pulls ahead of Blindside?
cyan forge
damn, belt buckle already 60k on my server
fleet whale
you can sim it yourself if you want
royal bronze
Cause in Single Target:
3210021
2210022 – pre-patch
dense blaze
Someone said we got nerfed, are they lying?
royal bronze
the fok build did
sharp idol
slate tulip
You mean cloak + hiden blades was nerfed ?
sharp idol
yes
dense blaze
God forbid the only pure melee DPS class do exceptional DPS
wooden pewter
wait we got stealth nerfed already?
next ingot
not nerfed, they fixed it. It made no sense that they would stack together
dense blaze
The fix nerfed my damage
main blaze
We still do good damage
slate tulip
what % of haste You aim to get ?
wooden pewter
so no more fan of knives, what now?
jovial kite
well have to wait and see
main blaze
PB life or crimson tempest
warm parcel
Uhh to you
jovial kite
honest needle
so i just cleaned my bags out recently now haste is best stat and i have no haste gear
jovial kite
Beetlejuice
honest needle
this really sucks
jovial kite
item resto
slate tulip
restore items
honest needle
i de it
slate tulip
i did it yesterday
warm parcel
Item restoration?
ashen snow
might as well just uninstall and not play bfa
jovial kite
you can resto de items
shrewd night
You can use a console command to add decimals to your damage. There ya go. Visually appeasing damage.
jovial kite
Smh
honest needle
u cant ?
next ingot
if you cleared your bags recenlty, go to the item recovery tool, I got some pretty rings from there yesterday
strange python
Lol no rogues need to be legion warlock/feral op >:(
But
I'm actually enjoying this squish
honest needle
i heard feral sucks in bfa
slate tulip
i check i can go from 2% haste to like 21%
fleet whale
well try a random bg as sin and you will have a ton of fun
strange python
Yeahh they destroyed it apparently
fleet whale
casters stand 0 chance
strange python
Yeahh
honest needle
do tier gear still matter right now should i still be using 4 set ?
slate tulip
yes
fleet whale
I went 18 and 1 in a random a few hours ago in a bg we lost
strange python
Now its just a matter of figuring out how I can increase my haste
strange python
Did that I'm at 14%
honest needle
i think i have a 985 haste trinket chrono shard or soem crap
slate tulip
i have 980 neck like 3.3k haste + crit and rings
honest needle
does anyone kno if tier gear still matters should i still use 4 set ?
dry stirrup
Yo can someone explain why haste is so good?
jovial kite
It fastens bleed ticks
slate tulip
btw if fok was fixed does still cloak is bis next to insygnia ?
jovial kite
HOLD YOUR HORSES FAM
-The interaction for HB + CLOAK got reworked. The calculations are now additive instead of multiplicative. This means around 3/4ths nerf to the calculations of the cloak + hb interaction.
-This means CLOAK may or may not be the go to going forward
-This means HB may or may not be the go to going forward
-Current simulations in raidbots.com DO NOT have this change taken into account
-We'll need to WAIT for simulationcraft team to push out a new nightly
fleet whale
faster bleeds= more energy
honest needle
are u guys still using 4 set ?
fleet whale
I am still using it
vapid moth
@honest needle day I legit threw out all haste gear last week
dry stirrup
I see, thanks guys1
fleet whale
you could restore it
frank sentinel
t20 2p getting some VALUE
slate tulip
but only if high titanforge
honest needle
im saying should i still be using t21 4 set or just btter stat gear
frank sentinel
doesn't need to be too high of TF
strange python
But your finishers still get buffed
frank sentinel
my pieces are roughly 30ilevs below their t21 counterparts and it's still a solid increase
but those are my sims 🤷
slate tulip
how much dps You sim on that setup ?
winter pecan
i sim 4800 with 938 damn my seconds stats are bad ;/
slate tulip
let me see my shit
winter pecan
238*
frank sentinel
wait jk using the new ring
15%
935 haste/crit ring beating out my max TF argus ring
err
235
DAMMIT
honest needle
do relics still matter how do we put relics on ?
echo cargo
So... Sephuz for keys?
honest needle
is relics just about higher ilvl now ?
slate tulip
relic = weapon lvl