VR got nerfed into the ground and Exsang is for bleed
#assassination
placid egret
sacred citrus
wait, whats the nerf on VR?
cloud narwhal
Hmm... what's the good Sin neck enchant now?
lone junco
VR is Mutilate based, not bleed based.
sacred citrus
ooooh
lone junco
So you only get return on ST hits. before it was poison on bleed. so Fok.
dense yarrow
how the fuck gonna change all the mastery gear i have into haste gear now ??? :((((
civic palm
Put on the other gear.
dense yarrow
i dont have other gear :((
civic palm
Well... do the best with what you have.
deep beacon
I got in and did some stuff left to make sure it saved now can't get back in lol
well cant do much outfitter seems nice and broken so
sacred citrus
annnnd there goes my server again
chrome tuskBOT
Alright, @deep beacon has been warned because 'don't ask people to blow you.'.
deep beacon
@supple hearth Feels good bringing the down eh 😃
sacred citrus
profanity bot?
deep beacon
He deserved it though I am not sorry was rude for no reason
plucky drift
What neck enchant is looking good for us now?
strange python
sim it
sturdy python
How do I sim nightly?
deep beacon
I think you can use raidbots
plucky drift
Yeah sims are pretty busted when it comes to enchants and gems
fringe ginkgo
strange python
@sturdy python on raidbots in simulation options there is " SimC Version" , choose nightly there
sturdy python
ty!
fringe ginkgo
np
hasty swan
what level 100 talent are people picking?
sacred citrus
the one in the pins
mental vessel
for some reason cant attack from stealth
deep beacon
Dear lord I am so sad I got warned zomg my life is over
mental vessel
all abilities dissapear except sap
sturdy python
Did you replace them on your bars?
fringe ginkgo
Does anyone else have a bug where you keep automatically leaving public chat channels like general and trade each time you log out?
deep beacon
45 minutes later
strange python
according to pinned message / herodamage , hidden blades seems best right now ST
with 2x dipping with legendary cloak
mental vessel
wym replace them @sturdy python
hasty swan
the talents part doesn't show up for me, idk why
sturdy python
When you go into stealth your action bar is replaced with a stealth bar
strange python
sturdy python
And you need to place the abilities on that stealth bar seperately
sturdy python
You may have had an add on that changed that and its out dated or something
mental vessel
i didnt know that @sturdy python is there any way to prevent that from changing
balmy condor
the worst part about the patch is the damn community/guild UI
that thing
is so bad
sturdy python
Action bar add ons but I dont think there is a way to in the base UI
hasty swan
all i see are a bunch of numbers
fringe ginkgo
Example of adding bloat to something that didn't need it
vernal atlas
I got a question. Guide says I shall refresh garrote at 5sek and rupture at 8sek.... why can't I refresh it at 3 or 2 seconds?? Will I lose damage and if so, why?
balmy condor
your computer explodes
fringe ginkgo
for some reason cinidaria is unchecked by default on hero damage
unreal coyote
we back to satyr?
lone junco
you do it in that window, so you dont drop garrote. and it fits into the rotation.
balmy condor
satyr on assassination 🤔
hasty swan
wtf do these numbers mean?
sturdy python
What numbers MLS?
lone junco
I used satyr. was less than a 0.2% gain to re enchant. I never bothered.
hasty swan
what is the 0 then?
strange python
@hasty swan the numbers mean the talents in order in that specific tree, so the combination " 2210022 " means Elaborate Planning / Subterfuge / Vigor / dont care / dont care / Toxic Blade / Hidden Blades, the 0 means you can choose whatever
hasty swan
thank you! so much lol
strange python
np 😄
lone junco
@fringe ginkgo If you have any front loaded dps in raid, like more than 0 Demon hunters, cindaria starts losing juice fast.
but the sim doesnt take that into account. so it could look good.
same with bracers. If you have 4 warriors, your bracer window will be short, and suck.
strange python
@lone junco are shoulders still decent on short fights? like in a 20 ish m+ boss fight since its short?
ill sim short boss lengths tomorrow when eu is up but maybe you know
lone junco
I assume that shoulders will still remain godly for m+. as they were before.
but Ill run CT
nocturne gate
cloak bc its a stron cd compared with the talent ?
frail gate
Curiosity question, the guide says 2210022 however all the hero dmg sims say exsanguinate is better?
slim estuary
Alright, what do we do now?
lone junco
Im not planning on the Cloak lasting very long. but it might
strange python
@onyx falcon yeah thats what ive been thinking on short boss fights, burst with cloak stacks + shoulder crit
alpine rain
How is sin looking for pvp ? 😄
strange python
click 'poison' in the herodamage sims.
also nighstalker sounds fun with shoulders , full hidden blades stack and vanish fok
why they defaulted to bleed I will never know.
lone junco
@frail gate you have bleed selected.
onyx falcon
right?!
summer stone
haste is our new best stat
turbid galleon
does the fan of knive stacks reset at the start of combat?
lone junco
nah. Fok stack starts from last fok
so you just wait like 45 sec or whatever fok timing till its capped
frail gate
ahhh I am niave sir Noobe
hasty swan
where does blindside fit in the sin rotation?
turbid galleon
sweet thanks
lone junco
you use EP
onyx falcon
you use EP until BfA i believe
lone junco
I keed. I havent played with blindside yet. but I hear it is undewhealming
onyx falcon
i cant believe DoS is back to being top 4 in the Sims
hasty swan
i'll use ep lol
desert hazel
Is mark of claw bis now?
hasty swan
less work for me
lone junco
@onyx falcon is there a trinket list?
strange python
yeah good old Tempered Egg of Serpentrix
empty crescent
when it says insignia im guessing its the crucible ring right and not ravenholdt?
fiery nest
No it's insignia
lone junco
fiery nest
Literally the name of it
strange python
crucible ring is super useless now
lone junco
that thing was like negative dps before
strange python
@lone junco you didnt save your titanforged egg like everyone else did 😄
slim estuary
Hey so I haven’t logged in yet but what’s changed about us?
strange python
check the pins. and patch notes?
fiery nest
Jesus
slim estuary
Why when I can have you do it for me ❤️
steep citrus
wait, what changes? logged in? why would there be changes?
unreal coyote
anyone having issues with rupture WAs?
strange python
certain triggers are messed up for weakauras.
they just released a hotfix.
but things might still be off.
unreal coyote
ah
rugged snow
Has anyone tested the pvp talent flying daggers with the back and hidden stack
strange python
they still have to release an 8.0.1 compatible version
sacred citrus
i feel like EP is useless
strange python
EP is very good right now.
sacred citrus
because it has a 4 second CD and i cannot fit a finisher inside of that
so you have a chance at getting a 10% damage buff
for 1 finisher
or
30% increased poision damage through the whole fight.
civic palm
a finisher and literally everything else in those 4 seconds.
lone junco
it requires more crit. if you dont have like 30% then the mastery dmg one is probably better for you
lone junco
but EP buffs your bleeds, and insig hits. and fok
sacred citrus
oh
strange python
our mastery scaling was neutered so poisons are weaker.
sacred citrus
i didn't understand it
lone junco
@strange python I have a 970 Cloak relic, ready to go in.
sacred citrus
i was so caught up in everything my brain said it gave a 10% buff to finishers only
but that is not how it reads.
lone junco
there was a cloak of shadows cdr relic. I kept that out of spite.
steep citrus
they put connecting to game server on the GCD and it's messing me up big time
strange python
is there a hotkey to open the artifact? I still can't open it.
civic palm
ha
strange python
@lone junco i had some super shitty 975 blood relic i just put in now before i go to sleep later because putting in relics is apprently bugged on pre patch
civic palm
There is a script to open the UI for your Artifact Weapon, look that up.
strange python
thanks.
civic palm
It's what I have been using to open the thing since launch.
Screw clicking on it O _O
lone junco
per usual. I run my own sims, but Rip this thing
I think all of those profiles are based on a very low haste value.
strange python
draught of souls giving me nam flashbacks.
also EoC so low 😦 doing like 300 upper runs and its shit 😄
that trinket can burn in the fires of hell
i wonder why vari trinket would rank so high if it was on low haste tho
because scaling magic
lone junco
I think this fucking thing is trolling me.
I had both of those TF months ago.
but they were literal doormats.
seed pod was like 1dps
sacred citrus
glad i kept my 985 scourgewing
strange python
I restored a gorschalach's.
lone junco
I have all the Antorus stuff. so that will be fine. but the other ones making me lol.
strange python
couldn't find a serpentrix.
cerulean walrus
Nothing like playing the Bob Ross theme while waiting for Stormrage to un-retard itself
Gotta keep calm
civic palm
cerulean walrus
I apologize
strange python
yeah i have a forgefiends trinket but no tiny oozling or something like that
onyx falcon
anyone not in A52 getting d/ced like no tmr
cerulean walrus
Stormrage is pretty bad
strange python
everyone
civic palm
Can be.
deep beacon
i got a EOA trinket like 1 hour before the servers went down only 940 though
civic palm
Thankfully I have not tried to get onto Stormrage today.
dawn root
hey guys - just remember that all of our gear is going to be super irrelevant in 3 weeks
ripe bramble
3 weeks can feel like a long time
arctic isle
but i need to save 30 mins while leveling in fully optimized gear
remote wing
cerulean walrus
Got D/Ced and it won't even let me get to the server list anymore
strange python
welcome to the club.
cerulean walrus
TFW Blizz has had over a decade to learn how to deal with patches like this dropping yet it still happens lmao
civic palm
That's not how any of this works :3
deep beacon
I actually left on purpose lol because was scared was gonna disconnect managed to update some stuff a bit but wanted to save dumb move
daring cave
Question in the pin it says 2210022 but then rotation says MFD if u have . i currently have vigor should i switch to mark?
daring cave
right, should i get rid of vigor n go MFD?
deep beacon
Yeah I think it means if you did take it.
acoustic eagle
so does the FoK buffs not work vs players?
subtle anchor
Which leggos should i wear for prepatch?
civic palm
strange python
@daring cave you can sim yourself and see if MFD is higher.
it was just telling you how to use MFD if you want to use it.
deep beacon
Or for now could try out both and see what' smore fun and how it evolves ;0
cursive hatch
this fok build is pretty fun tbh
civic palm
Yerp.
cursive hatch
did 7.4k on a boss fight, 6.4k overall for the dungeon
alpine rain
Does the fork tallent stack with cloak?
daring cave
ok fair enough
deep beacon
hidden blades stacks with deceit
acoustic eagle
@alpine rain it does but for some reason not on players?
alpine rain
Yeah it was nerfed on players a while back
deep beacon
I think that was nerfed a while ago though.
steep citrus
10 months?
cursive hatch
Fok is okay
vast kelp
anyone have a hidden blade weak aura?
deep beacon
When they nerfed all of those on use ones the notable exception being the monk one i think.
I created one in the 5 mins i was on the server lol 😉
alpine rain
FoK nerf incoming for sure
deep beacon
Just two icons that will light up when they have full stacks
@alpine rain no doubt 😃
cursive hatch
yeah probably
civic palm
There's going to be literally 0 FoK nerfs.
deep beacon
That's why the server is so laggy and not responsible is because all the rogues are spamming FOK 😃
timber mauve
the FoK nerf is called BFA
cursive hatch
^
strange python
this is our 400% exsang
alpine rain
^
timber mauve
enjoy it for 5 levels, then rest in pieces
deep beacon
So many addons i had to disable with no updates yet. SIGH 😃
queen epoch
cant even login
tardy abyss
wow OP FoK
wraith dragon
do you FoK 20/20 stacks or 20/30 ?
frail gate
Yeah fok wont be the way to go at 120 when cloak is disabled
civic palm
lone junco
@cursive hatch for scale i think they do 12-14k overall at 120.
cursive hatch
yeah
I was using fok at 20/20,. but thats because I was tracking hidden blades
and not the cloak
swapped my aura around
we good now for 20/30 foks
cursive hatch
hm, probably. I haven't looked
north terrace
The guide says to use FoK at max stacks of Hidden blades, which would be 20/20
sacred citrus
okay noobe, i have fixed my stats. i pulled together 14% haste, dumped all my mastery and am sitting at 251 ilvl
cursive hatch
I'll just know if I hit 20+ I'm good to let it rip
lone junco
@sacred citrus when you run stat weights now is haste still highest?
lone junco
would make sense if you are Cloak Insig.
sacred citrus
can i post snip?
north terrace
is there a secret to logging in? I cannot get in because of this authentication error crap
sacred citrus
or is fuu and giggs going to get mad?
lone junco
can post the actual html of the raidbot
idle crystal
@north terrace Patience, my friend.
civic palm
IIRC haste should be "falling" after 10%.
civic palm
There's no magical breakpoint where it falls off the planet, but other stats become more important.
civic palm
Seems fine.
cursive hatch
adds zeros to the end if its blowing your mind
sacred citrus
i can't express how much i dislike how this class plays now.
cursive hatch
and it'll make sense
lone junco
I heard socket on ring is worth 30 ilvl. so if that insig doesnt have a gem, add one.
cursive hatch
outlaw plays pretty great
lone junco
but yeah. its slow as shit.
cursive hatch
sin isn't bad
lone junco
I like Mark/CT.
cursive hatch
its slow
civic palm
Slow, lot of bleeding.
lone junco
but the cloak is so broken.
civic palm
LOTS of bleeding.
sacred citrus
what neck? mark?
civic palm
The parses without the cloak are still close.
sacred citrus
have you guys done a M+ yet?
strange python
marked for death
cursive hatch
its pretty fun to delete a trash pack in M+ instantly
sacred citrus
yea
civic palm
THIS... looks weird.
sacred citrus
i wonder if nightstalker would be better.
cursive hatch
probably in M+, yeah
civic palm
NS/CT wins in keys IIRC.
cursive hatch
yeah, I'd run NS for memes, though multi dot garrote is nice
civic palm
actually might still be SUB/CT.
lean coral
so what build you using for M+?
strange python
I'd let you know when I can log in and find out.
sacred citrus
yea
daring cave
Yeah sry ment an ElvUI one
cursive hatch
gnosis is broken as shit now
but most of my addons work fine
rofl, my sin setup is so bad
topaz beacon
Has anyone figured out what the new bis legos are ?
civic palm
Though NS might win due to the frequency you are entering Stealth.
sacred citrus
pins
civic palm
Check pins.
deep beacon
Just gotta put it on a key that you can use very fast thats not going to interfere with your normal abilities too much
vast kelp
does anyone have a weak aura to track hidden blades stacks?
civic palm
Make one O _O
deep beacon
Also MFD playstyle a bit cumbersome
I made oen and would share it but unfortunately can't get back into the game lol
deep beacon
hah yeah
inefficient though would end up using it prematurely with not enough CT stacks
civic palm
Hidden Blades is just a normal player buff, simple enough to walk through the steps to get it tracking.
CT... stacks... o _o
steep citrus
there may be literally a template if you've updated wa. click new - from template - buffs - hidden blades and then just tweak the one it gives you
civic palm
and if there isn't a templated buff, just pick another spell that is a player buff and change the Trigger to look for Hidden Blades.
cursive hatch
oh wait, my gear is wrong on my sim. armory is probably derped I just realized
civic palm
boop.
cursive hatch
that makes sense, no talents, wrong gear
strange python
mastery is my lowest stat weight... what a time to be alive.
nocturne gate
i love pre patches xD everything is stupid :D
sacred citrus
lol
steep citrus
i'm not sure if I love this prepatch. it won't let me in
nocturne gate
i hate the changes but its still fun^^
deep beacon
When i was in outfitter wasn't working wasn't able to update my sets so I didnt bother trying to set up the multi target one.. just was mucking around with the ST
exotic fractal
so insignia is opop?
civic palm
wild heath
the meme returns
lone junco
civic palm
Better 👍
MY PROPHECY HAS ARRIVED
BEHOLD YOUR NIGHTMARE
it's just a .6% difference
frail gate
Can we get a pin on that noobe? New poison bomb angel pic
cursive hatch
lol so
steep citrus
yeah, but what is highest for poison? I'm gonna need to roll 4 different rogues. and swap them out for different fights
cursive hatch
I need to drop my boots by 20 ilvls for more dps
280 > 260, but haste/crit on the 260
lone junco
strange python
i mean belf racial also not silencing anymore now 😦
civic palm
The masterrace has arrived.
lone junco
I doubt troll is a big deal
civic palm
BELF purge is still extremely good.
lone junco
once you put on a piece of haste
unkempt lantern
Slice commander is not working, anyone have any good alternatives
dusky moon
what's everyone's dps now?
civic palm
There are a decent amount of shields.
and a boss in Uldir has a phase that is directly countered by BELF purge.
vernal atlas
Assa llokin good
cursive hatch
there is a end tier fight in Uldir that needs aoe purges for the best setup
frail gate
Based on all the herodmg sims assassination poison spec is still simming highest
testing all specs once I get back online to see what is strongest based on my 980 gear sims with each spec
vernal atlas
... who wouldve thought.....
frail gate
I mean out of all specs
vernal atlas
well, my 933 assa is simed 4.1k dps, that sounds so wrong xD
supple mesa
Sin is beating destro?
strange python
cloak is only fun now for pre patch since legendary goes away 😦
frail gate
Im simming 6600 atm
lone junco
any sim using cloak + hb is just for lols
frail gate
but havent optimized
lone junco
@civic palm I am ready
civic palm
POKEM BOI
vernal atlas
@frail gate whats your legion ilvl?
spare cloud
keen inlet
frail gate
was like 977 equipped but slightly higher now that random haste pieces are better that I had vendored and now restored
nocturne herald
So I was likely mostly mastery/crit on my rogue, but didn't have any off-pieces saved up at all. How screwed would I be running into H ant?
strange python
@nocturne herald check your bags or item restoration if you have decent haste items to get and sim the diffrence / whats better and fok it
prisma pond
cloak stacks with talent?
prisma pond
wewlad
cursive hatch
ilvl drops for more haste is simming higher
nocturne herald
Meh, I'm still struggling to even log on right now, may have to try again after the gym
At least got Cloak/Ravenholdt though
I love those HxH bracers though 😦
exotic rampart
@cursive hatch stat weights?
cursive hatch
doing that now
cerulean walrus
Lol all that mastery stacking on my gear and for what?
exotic fractal
I have negative haste, send an adult
nocturne herald
Oh, I didn't know about that top gear thing
Seriously lol. I was so close to having no haste on anything but legendaries 😦
cerulean walrus
I feel like I hit like a wet noodle now
nocturne herald
I just wanted that because why not really
Am excited for Fire mages as well though
lone junco
@cerulean walrus we all do. stab for 800. env for 5k
strange python
tfw I had no haste on my gear but legendaries, and I have to wait until the 21st for item restore
cursive hatch
19.23% haste, haste dropped below crit now
nocturne herald
What's the item restore thing?
lone junco
thx.
strange python
its a blizzard service
cursive hatch
nocturne herald
I know they've done like item restores when I got hacked a long time ago, they do it over deleted/sold items?
warm void
Hb?
steep citrus
yeah, just google it. you can get stuff you vendored back
warm void
Nvm
steep citrus
a decent ways into the past
strange python
about 3 months in the past.
sudden brook
i was getting pretty close to wanting crit > haste
strange python
@nocturne herald go ingame, open the help tab and in the top right you can type "item" and it will show you item restoration, then choose your server-> chracter and you just can choose items to restore and youll get them sent to your mail ingame
fringe ginkgo
Don't log out. WoW is fucked again
nocturne herald
Thank ya'll for the help. Not sure if it'll restore much, I have a feeling if I got haste stuff I just traded it to people in heroic rather than vendoring lol
strange python
you can just check it, as long as you dont actually restore a item it doesnt go on the 15 day cooldown
unkempt lantern
any decent wa, slicecommander aint working
nocturne herald
This is great to know. I'll have to see if it helps my rogue or mage then
Gonna abuse those stacking legendary+talents while I can
sudden brook
go look at wagoio for one u like
unkempt lantern
I have been, the ones on wagoio, the rupture and garotte bars wont work
unkempt lantern
cool and thanks,
lusty narwhal
Insignia/Cloak top Sim? 🤔
cerulean walrus
So would you want to go Haste > Crit > Mastery or Haste > Mastery > Crit?
fiery nest
You follow your stat weights
exotic fractal
SeemsGood
zealous lily
sim yourself and you will see
thick wagon
@lusty narwhal cloak and Hidden Blades stack
lusty narwhal
Delightful
thick wagon
so get ready for 41k FoK crits
lusty narwhal
Works for me
fringe ginkgo
feelshasteman
lusty narwhal
So most are using mantle still over insig?
cerulean walrus
tfw you don't have either of them cau
gleaming geyser
you have at least one of them
cerulean walrus
cause you didn't farm leggos *
gleaming geyser
1000 in ur chest
fringe ginkgo
You can at least get one when you log in
gleaming geyser
for free
cerulean walrus
No I know, dropped it on the Outlaw wrists cause I wanted to dual spec
feelsbadman
cerulean walrus
I just wanna have tactical nuke FoKs
lusty narwhal
I dont take sims as gospel before its finalized
steep citrus
make sure you're choosing prepatch on the logs
minor sequoia
Is mantle/wrists worth running? trying to figure out which leggo to get.
nocturne herald
So, anyone have a rough estimate of DPS people are hitting for heroic raids maybe?
steep citrus
cloak
grim sable
you want cloak
steep citrus
00:00:12.351 Kildrazien Fan of Knives Garothi Worldbreaker 102776
grim sable
it's insane
gleaming geyser
get cloak first, both for pre-patch and BFA leveling
lusty narwhal
I imagine mantle wrists would be ok with blindside talented
cerulean walrus
Yeah I got Blindside up
steep citrus
CLAOKK
grim sable
cloak is legitimately broken
lusty narwhal
I think everyone gets that lol
steep citrus
that dude hit garothi with fan for 100k. his average envenom was 5k
lusty narwhal
Hotfix inbound
night summit
On the sin quick guide, there are two talent setups. One says pre patch after it and the other one is for what?
minor sequoia
Alright well once i can actually log in since its not letting me ill get the cloak lol
lusty narwhal
Yes boysssss
nocturne herald
I'm seeing people with 6k DPS posting on here and just wondering how much their ilevel was before pre-patch now lol
sudden brook
i was at like 975ish at 6.6 now
nocturne herald
Is that after adjusting to haste gear or before?
cerulean walrus
I was 959 and only doing 4.4 but I had mastery stacked wayyy up
So idk where it should be
grim jay
love how I wanted to look up sims for all classes and windwalker has racedifference-sims up, but no actual legendary sims
gleaming geyser
yea around 6.5k at 250 (973)
sudden brook
this is with adjustments
nocturne herald
Yeah, that's my issue as well. I was 957 or so and simming 4.2 without adjustments since I can't log in
steep citrus
shoulders and cloak sim 1% behind
cerulean walrus
So drop the wrists and go cloak now?
grim jay
cloak + insignia
cerulean walrus
I don't have insig
nocturne herald
Oh and thanks for the adjusted ilevel comment. Just noticed raidbots says it on there
wraith dragon
well you get 1k essence in your chest regardless so
lusty narwhal
So what tier pieces are people using now
grim jay
^
fringe ginkgo
nocturne herald
Looking at those trinket calculations is making me sad
grim jay
LOL
spice frost
without gear swapping (2% haste) and still wearing shoulder wrist, I simmed 6,585 at 976 before today
obtuse robin
what % of haste do we want?
sudden brook
sim urself
spice frost
time for every agi dps to farm eoa btw
verbal cedar
Is it just me or is it kinda pathetic to have to have software simulate how to best min-max your gear and play style? It’s like no one actually plays the class and figures stuff out. All day you read people asking to have the answers handed to them and then they just simulate it. I just find it strange.
sudden brook
what
grim jay
good that I have that great 950 tempered egg
nocturne herald
By farming EOA do you just roll on reliquished tokens?
dire spoke
lol
sudden brook
when the best DPS is just a math problem, ofc a program is going to figure it out better than people
what kinda statement is that lol
nocturne herald
Had been using Shadow Singed since I was checking icy-veins and it just recommended it out of the ease getting a higher ilevel one lol
verbal cedar
The statement is that in a time where you can now simulate how to best configure your gear and rotations, you still have people who are pathetic enough to ask for even more of a handout.
sudden brook
o i c
dire spoke
sudden brook
yeah people rlly expect to be spoonfed everything
sturdy python
Why would someone spend hours and hours hitting dummies when they can just sim the results in 10 minutes?
arctic isle
@verbal cedar you sound knowledgeable, best spec for bfa?
sudden brook
LOL
cerulean walrus
Fury Warrior*
lone junco
You can play however you want. Whether it is optimal, depends on how good your feely craft is.
grim jay
still dont know whats the best tank for bfa... not pinned 😦
grim jay
actually.. ye
verbal cedar
@arctic isle the best spec is the spec you’re best with and enjoy the most. I don’t believe that in a game mostly filled with shitters that you play a certain spec is going to make or break progression.
grim jay
just as much as always
lusty narwhal
Youre a god if youre not burnt out of legion yet
obtuse robin
no the best spec is the one that math says is the best
cerulean walrus
@verbal cedar hitting it with the casual answer there
lusty narwhal
Bar graphs for the boyz
grim jay
I took a break before, that prevents burning out. yet im kinda grind-friendly bcs I played classic and some really grindy games 😄
nocturne herald
elemental shamans*
verbal cedar
The math assumes perfect timing, button pressing, and not messing up right?
nocturne herald
/cough
sudden brook
ELEMENTAL MAGES
nocturne herald
SH
haughty parrot
there's must always be... a best spec
cerulean walrus
Vending Machine Mage spec when?
Their burst revolves around dropping a fridge on the enemy
obtuse robin
yes and no
nocturne herald
too many alts, i'm just mixing up specs between things
cinder palm
man back piece and hidden blades is busted LOL
obtuse robin
idk i dont like waiting for it to stack
cerulean walrus
Cloak and Hidden "Got Nuke?"
sudden brook
guys i think the cloak and hidden blades stacks
arctic isle
can we get some proof on that
sudden brook
ill screenshot my meters hold on
sacred citrus
stack?
gray crest
how do you play this new FoK build
sacred citrus
you stack
civic palm
sacred citrus
on top of other rogues
sudden brook
LOL
plush oasis
Are we Mastery > Haste now?
sudden brook
sim urself
sacred citrus
just mastery everything.
civic palm
sudden brook
and multistrike
plush oasis
I can't get online. Fuckin' high pop lol
sacred citrus
miz i am going to punch you in the kidney.
civic palm
Yeah well, internet bully, I can take it.
sacred citrus
fair
civic palm
(O > _> )---O
sacred citrus
in that SS
strange python
trying to think of a kidney shot joke
sacred citrus
does it talk about stack?
sweet rampart
still cannot log in 😦
civic palm
sacred citrus
STACK!
civic palm
Also don't feed your cat pancakes.
sacred citrus
nom nom stack.
civic palm
Ya... psycho.
slim estuary
what spec sims hioghest for pre patch
civic palm
grim jay
protection
sudden brook
destro
civic palm
hybrid cobalt
What's the verdict on Vanish+Rupture vs Vanish+Envenom with the changes?
silent crescent
yes
strange python
verdict is subterfuge is better
silent crescent
so vanish garrote yeah?
hybrid cobalt
Thanks for reminding me why I quit asking questions here.
sudden brook
?
shut robin
just look in the pins? xD its all there
silent crescent
well for prepatch wouldnt nightstalker FoK be best?
fringe ginkgo
You really do vanish garrote
strange python
i answered you
sudden brook
LOL
hybrid cobalt
Hrm. Interesting.
civic palm
civic palm
o _o
strange python
you linked the end of the video
strange python
thank u sir
arctic isle
that video sucked never link it again
supple hearth
@sacred citrus hello
sacred citrus
oh he does exist.
strange python
but santa isn't real. are you real giggle?
supple hearth
no
steep citrus
i just now realized your name isn't gigglebush
civic palm
o _o
sacred citrus
i realized that when i was today years old.
potent lintel
so rupture at 5combo >envenom?
civic palm
SIN BFA GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/battle-for-azeroth-quickstart-guides/ <-- SIN GUIDE HERE
cosmic pier
wait so does the guide imply that we never cast envenom? or just refresh rupture then cast envenoms
hazy iron
It means if rupture is about to fall off, rupture instead of envenom
Refresh rupture between 5 - 7 seconds left
civic palm
Yeah just spam ruptures... o _o
strange python
Lol maybe that explains that log from earlier.
sudden brook
strange python
dude ruptured 3 times in a row.
civic palm
hazy iron
Lol what the hell is critical thinking in 2018
ornate gazelle
@vestal wren you might wanna include envenom in your guide too, people keep getting confused not seeing it in the opener section xD
fleet whale
so you only use blindside when it procs?
hazy iron
Ugh
sudden brook
i mean u can only get SO specific especially with a spec that isnt guarenteed combo points
sudden brook
like 1 mutliate could mean a finisher or two, it shouldnt take a brain surgeon but what do i know
hazy iron
👏
strange python
@fleet whale that's the impression I got, yeah.
civic palm
Run a SIM on RB with BS in it and see what the APL does during execute.
fleet whale
I guess it's due to mut cp generation, perhaps Blindside should generate 2 cps, 3 with a seal fate crit
strange python
would be too good since blindside is 30 energy
fleet whale
idk, it's an execute, it should be used in execute range if taken
either that, or just turn it into a proc and make it stronger that way
sudden brook
but its already competitive
strange python
it sims close right now. just needs a little love.
fleet whale
Even if it's competitive/better than the other options in its current state, it should still be desired to be used in execute range.
sudden brook
theyd need to rebalance it then, it'd be insane
fringe ginkgo
Servers up
fleet whale
another solution is to make blindside baseline
orchid cove
feelsbad fok
fleet whale
and perhaps have a talent in that tier that makes blindside better
sturdy python
O wait, you right. Apologies!
steep mulch
Imagine a Talent that turns Mutilate into Blindside when it pocs at sub 30%
fleet whale
yup, I got to char screen
steep mulch
so it does extra damage when it procs
dry vale
is the master assassin talent bugged? Its not giving me the crit. tried with and without shoulders on
fleet whale
dalaran server offline 😦
I was online again for a few mins
and boom the server is shutdown
unborn mulch
does FoK cloak build do funny things in pvp or is it nerfed?
in non instanced i mean
unborn mulch
yeah i figured
fringe ginkgo
server restart, stealth nerf to cloak inc 
supple mesa
Playing with subterfuge is weird
onyx sigil
cloak already nerfed
sturdy python
I miss shoulders 😦
fringe ginkgo
Wait really?
onyx sigil
doesnt stack with talent anymore
empty crescent
i was looking at it
onyx sigil
no ir doesnt
empty crescent
seems like it was nerf'd
onyx sigil
hitting for like 1/5 of what it did earlier
empty crescent
^
strange python
yeah
haughty parrot
so back to using bracers?
steep citrus
but i never got to meme
strange python
It hit for like 8k instead of 56k
civic palm
Ring Mantle I think.
onyx sigil
tested with talent and without with cloak fully stacked and did the same damage, so I'm pretty sure the buffs are just mutually exclusive now
thick perch
i am using ring and mantle
serene vine
2p4p belt + insig
sudden brook
the end of an era
civic palm
Ring + Bracers so long there is no weirdness.
strange python
assassination comes back down to earth
fringe ginkgo
RIP boys, end of an era
sudden brook
god i really hate that i didnt play rogue on tos but who cares at this point lol
fleet whale
why does my char on raidbots sim like 2k higher than the sims there? and im using different talents/leggos
civic palm
Stats.
rancid palm
F
placid elbow
P
fleet whale
and it wasn't using the FoK build
fringe ginkgo
Make sure you use the item restoration to grab any old relics you might've trashed that were higher ilvl as well as haste gear 😮
hearty socket
how do you do dat
fleet whale
it was nice though, the build I was using had like 45 apm with pretty low haste
fringe ginkgo
When you use the help tab in game it should be one of the first options. There's a little tool / UI for it that walks you through it.
civic palm
You can also just google it.
fleet whale
I can't restore for a few more hours
civic palm
and be taken to the page.
fleet whale
feelsbadman
civic palm
and so long you have logged into the browser access it from there.
fringe ginkgo
Shows you a list of everything you've DE'd / Vendored from a certain point (not exactly sure how long that is) and you just check the boxes for the things you want back and submit it.
Then the items arrive in your mailbox via CoD. Not sure how DE'd items work
strange python
it's around 3 months
did it earlier today.
actually, not sure if it is an item limit or a time limit.
steep mulch
To get back D/E'd items you have to have the required mats it de'd into
onyx sigil
time. you had it right; 90 days
rotund pier
You can item restore once every 15 days
steep mulch
anyone else find it funny that elvui shows our weapons as enchantable now lol
fleet whale
well, we did enchant our weapons for every expansion prior to legion, so its nice to see it again I guess
steep mulch
dont have any enchants we can use on them but nice to see they finally can be
cosmic pier
raidbots has me simming at 6.5k, does that seem too high?
sudden brook
i was at 6.6 with 978 ilvl before so idk
cosmic pier
fair enough, i was 981 pre quish
fleet whale
Scroll up a bit, I had the same question
cosmic pier
*squish
steep mulch
We at least have the Server Select page boys and girls!
worldly turtle
Not sure if there's such a thing or if its possible, but is there a WA or something that places a fade-in rupture with cd remaining icon above the enemy its fading off of? To keep track of which enemy to renew first
fleet whale
#trusttheprocess
steep mulch
All offline but Server Select none the less
worldly turtle
not cd remaining but time remaining
steep citrus
weak auras can't move around with targets. you'd need a customizable nameplate
worldly turtle
yeah okay that makes sense. Is there such a thing?
steep mulch
best addon for that might be gnosis for tracking some dots
but that does not do above their heads
steep citrus
there are. i don't know if they do exactly what you want out of the box.
civic palm
Just use a nameplate addon O _O
strange python
So eu plebs didn’t even get to try fokking 😦
they nerfed it already
feelsbadman
rare pumice
well, it was too good to last
strange python
But blizzard I just went 7/7 poison knives relics 😤 /s
I get Vietnam flashbacks to 1 week of foking with dp snapshot bug 😦
I'm getting Vietnam flashbacks of WoD launch day 
rotund pier
how do we know its nerfed
strange python
I used it when I was online for like 50 seconds.
It hit for like 8k instead of like 30k.
like.
rotund pier
did you happen to notice if the talent and lege stacked still?
cinder palm
it stacked when i was online
strange python
yeah I saw the two buffs.
sour wraith
it still did before servers went offline
strange python
Just try again when they’re back up 😦 a man can hope
rotund pier
^
sturdy python
I mean it wont work past 115
hearty socket
DKs can use double cold heart
sturdy python
So I dont see why they would worry about it
hearty socket
so i dont see why rogues cnat use this
fleet whale
Blindside hype
cinder palm
ele shaman boots+new aftershock
sour wraith
if they fix it it'll be for every class probably
cinder palm
^
hearty socket
leges will be gone come full expac no?>
sturdy python
But they could just do a complete sweet of all of that and no double stacking the leggoeffects
They stop working after level 115
hearty socket
well
cinder palm
116 effects are gone
ebon bramble
is assassination's AOE still weak or has it been improved with 8.0?
sour wraith
with the talent/cloak stacking its pretty crazy
cinder palm
CT seems pretty good too
sour wraith
but otherwise it's about the same spot
ebon bramble
i think the stacking has been fixed
strange python
I would say crimson tempest is quite the improvement
cinder palm
ct for aoe
PB for ST
if you have leggo cloak tho....
run fan of knives talent lol
if its still busted
ebon bramble
surprised poison bomb isnt that good for AOE anymore
sudden brook
whats surpsising
cinder palm
RNG
strange python
its damage got neutered.
onyx sigil
it doesn't scale with mastery anymore, right?
fleet whale
CT more controllable, and does really good damage
onyx sigil
PB, that is
sour wraith
it should scale with mastery
fleet whale
idk about mastery, but it definitely doesn't work with MP anymore
sudden brook
well mastery got cut in half to share with poisions and bleeds
onyx sigil
yeah, MP is just DP now. thought I saw something about PB not scaling off mastery. maybe that was just an early bug then
fleet whale
I guess the easiest way to find out would be to unequip a ring with mastery on it and see if PB damage changes
sudden brook
it just sucks for anything other than st
prisma coral
PB and envenom do not work with MP
sour wraith
oh then mastery wont buff it
fleet whale
yeah, envenom and tb are nature damage too but mastery buffs them
onyx sigil
poison damage is nature damage...
sour wraith
yea but blizz is strange that way
prisma coral
there isn't any reasoning to it other than "Becuase"
fleet whale
all poison damage is nature it's just that blizz has been inconsistent with this since at least cata
strange python
Poison bomb dealing poison damage instead of nature would be too confusing
fleet whale
in terms of tooltips
strange python
If we want that we get pruned 2 more abilities
civic palm
Sure.
prisma coral
you apply poisons keep up rupture and hope the the best lol
halcyon tulip
did they nerf fan?
sour wraith
nah blindside already covers execute phase, they probably wouldnt implement bracers
kingsbane would be nice tho
strange python
Just someone test if double dipping still works when na servers are back up
prisma coral
120 row with shoulders, PB, and kings
sudden brook
pb
prisma coral
yeah with the gcd 3 seconds is awful
fleet whale
it will probably get buffed
civic palm
That doesn't really matter.
onyx sigil
if only we could still snapshot
prisma coral
even worse at 50%
civic palm
You're hitting abilities that do old GCD triggers under MA anyway.
prisma coral
its more about the 3 seconds
civic palm
yar
strange python
I hope they nerf the interaction between shoulders legendary and the talent too, I don’t want 150% more crit in my opener that seems broken
arctic isle
what does 150% do that 100% cant
civic palm
1.5% damage
steep mulch
do you really lol
civic palm
duh
steep mulch
that would be funny
civic swan
bigger crit font
strange python
super effective!
steep mulch
I want Crit Font So Large it Crushes the Boss Dead
strange python
It’s like chaos bolt in mop it always Crits and scales 😃
@steep mulch then play fury warrior
steep mulch
May Level one eventually just to mess around but I am still maining a rogue :p
fleet whale
I remember when 3 mil+ chaos bolts in mop were godlike... and then in legion we could rip off 9 mil envenoms
strange python
At the end I was doing 12 ish mil crits with concordance
When the scaling was so nuts
steep mulch
that moment in raid when you get no Poison Bomb Procs then Suddenly get a Shoulder Crit Buffed One and someone in the raid is like looks like someone got a Poison Bomb Proc
arctic isle
lmao
strange python
M+ Bosses feel 10x better than Raid Bosses since you had concordance on pull in m+ a lot
steep mulch
that one Proc adds so much damage lol
onyx sigil
tfw 20% pb damage, but no conc so you do no dps
steep mulch
There is a Pin
strange python
pins. The bloodmallet thing.
steep mulch
also because emoji day
quick ice
I'm pretty sure I've disenchanted a tempered egg before and now its bis? 😂
dire spoke
I'm pretty sure I've sold one in March or so and now it's BiS
icy mason
item restoration
dire spoke
no
rotund pier
I'm sure egg will get nerfed
quick ice
restoration dies when you transfer 😦
sudden brook
or it wont cuz who cares
rotund pier
lightforge warframe was 2 shotting rares on argus earlier
blizz forgot to add a lot of stuff to scaling, like how they forgot to add the egg like heirloom trinket at the start of legion
quick ice
so instead of taking 5 seconds to kill them it takes 1?
strange python
Argus lava one shotted me
dire spoke
well I got a 955 wing 🤷🏻 so
cursive hatch
Well don't touch the lava
I thought you would have learned that during your childhood
strange python
roasted
steep citrus
remember that game "the lava is lava."
serene basin
im i the only one pissed about the hast change?
pale scroll
hey what are bis for ass now?
sudden brook
sim urself br0
pale scroll
i heard ravenhold ring is good
civic palm
?
sudden brook
why would u be pissed about a change that makes our spec feel better
pale scroll
sorry i ment legendarys
dense meadow
haste change? I thought they were making bleeds scale with haste now which is good. is there something else?
sand whale
acrchimondes trinket is bis