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deep beacon
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or after tuning lol

grim jay
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its best to only talk about what we know anyways

sand whale
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i'mma use ep to boost mah fok dmg, fokliveson

shrewd pine
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I'm just happy poison bomb is staying. It create pretty fun moments in raids ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

solid nova
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Feelycraft > Actual numbers

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๐Ÿ™ƒ

grim jay
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the "fun moments in raids" are "oh, you got a pb again?" from your mates? ๐Ÿ˜„

shrewd pine
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I loved my macro that said that I got PB

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it was soooooooooooo much fun

solid nova
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Stop feelycrafting when theres numbers out

lean hill
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Oh no, you're one of those

steep obsidian
full depot
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if i used a macro to announce my poison bombs i would never get another one to do damage again

lean hill
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I ignored anyone with a PB macro

solid nova
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@tepid ridge ?

shrewd pine
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okay I'll stop the troll now

tepid ridge
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?

grim jay
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never saw someone with a pb macro tho

shrewd pine
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I saw couple ppl

lean hill
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Its fucking awful

solid nova
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What you rolling me for

lean hill
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Be glad you didnt

shrewd pine
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its WA to be precise

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not a macro

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but yea

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I saw one dude with it

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which was funny

solid nova
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PB ACTIVE

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PB FINISHED

shrewd pine
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"poison bomb procs give me sense of pride and acomplishment"

rugged wren
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what i dont get is why is the sim using Insignia legendary?? I though others would be better since we dont have the use of that nethercrucible stuff

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is it purely a stat stick now?

lean hill
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It doesnt matter in prepatch dudes

shrewd pine
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Insignia of ravenholdt

grim jay
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^

full depot
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...wrong insignia lol

tepid ridge
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was a funny quote, let me rollin D:

rugged wren
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ahh oke makes sense now xD

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haha

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I was like wtf?

steep obsidian
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i have the pb wa i just turned off the announce

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so it just shows an icon and also how many pbs i got at the end of combat

grim jay
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I really have no inner peace about if I should do the magetower with my 900 feral or not

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๐Ÿค”

lean hill
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You can tell how many PBs by how high your damage is lol

solid nova
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I have a pb wa that pms everyone in the raid when it goes off to let them know im doing damage

steep obsidian
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i think the feral one is easy

grim jay
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ye but 900 ilvl

sand whale
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brutal slash all da things

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10/10 will clear

solid nova
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With all the traits

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Ilvl is less and less relevant for it

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Should smash it

stray beacon
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I did it at 905 and had never played it

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super easy

grim jay
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k you got me

tepid ridge
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Feral + 15X weapon should be really easy

stray beacon
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guardian at 905 was interesting lol

tepid ridge
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be sure to brutal slash all day

sand whale
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forms would be good to collect unlike some weapons... e.g. sub weapon sadface

grim jay
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I really like the sub weapon tho

sand whale
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I just see 2 popsicles

grim jay
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but hands down the sickest mage tower appearance goes to affl warlock

strange python
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so the pin implies blindside is only worth using on the proc, and not on its own?

rancid blaze
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At 30% you use BS as your filler and before 30% you use it when it procs unless you are gonna cap on energy

grim jay
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it sims lower than elab, besides that ... dunno ๐Ÿ˜„

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it used to be better at below 30, ye

rugged wren
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hmm lol according to Icy-veins 8.0.7 version our stat prio will change to agi>haste>crit>mastery>versa

not sure if I'm buying that I'll just gonna sim it once the pre-patch is live

lean hill
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Also icyveins is bad

rancid blaze
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It is bad but that is the correct stat weights but of course sim it

shrewd pine
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uhm

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its actually correct

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your personal ones will likely differ

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but for once it is correct general stat weight

sand whale
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if only I can reforge all my mastery to haste

rich hare
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doesnt haste affect dots for rogues now?

strange python
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why do the pin stat weights not include agi? Is that a dumb question?

solid nova
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Because you cant alter your main stat?

lean hill
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Doesnt really mean much if icyveins has correct stat weights, its still a bad source of rogue info and I'd advise against using it as a go to

warm parcel
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Good q. Could be agi is simply #1

quartz depot
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fuck, do i have to go farm the cos ring now

grim jay
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A wise man once said: "there are no dumb questions, only pinned answers."

lean hill
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@rich hare yea it does

solid nova
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@quartz depot For the purpose of pre-patch changes

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No

quartz depot
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good

woven bane
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why did insignia become so good? over insignia and mantle

shrewd pine
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Insignia didnt become so good

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It was already good.

strange python
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guess I should have kept a tier piece to replace the back.

queen epoch
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please excuse my lack of knowledge, I came back from wow from an 8 year-hiatus.
How do I read this?
Single Target:
3210021

solid nova
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Talents are in rows of 3

strange python
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those are the talents for each row.

shrewd pine
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position of the talent on that row from left to right

solid nova
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Each number relates to a talent

shrewd pine
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shh Richard

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you are too slow

solid nova
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0 means anything goes

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Or its subjective to the scenario

steep obsidian
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its morse code

tired gull
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not morse code, clearly binary

daring cave
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So if i dont have the cloak can i use something else in its place to remain viable utill i do get said cloak?

solid nova
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Of course?

steep obsidian
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yeah its neither ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

strange python
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check the herodamage link for legendary sims.

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unfortunately cloak dominates the first few pages.

solid nova
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Filter through the sims provided and find options you have

rugged wren
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Binary consists of only 1's and 0's so no its not binary aswell xD

strange python
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I just like how icy veins got a subrogue to do assassination theorycrafting. But I guess it's a step up from when they got a druid to do it

solid nova
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Use the drop down menu and untick cloak

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And you'll have combinations

tired gull
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@rugged wren that was the joke

steep obsidian
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its weird that 2 legos that have no synergy with each other end up being best ๐Ÿ˜›

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silly stacking talents

full depot
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last xpac they had a warlock writing the rogue guides

wintry rover
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Hey all, just jumped in here before logging. Any links to an up to date guide for sin rotation? Sorry if there is already a link, new to the server.

strange python
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check the pins

shrewd pine
solid nova
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@shrewd pine Do you know what would be good

strange python
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@full depot you referring to furyt?

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๐Ÿค”

full depot
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yeah

solid nova
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If discord had an equivalent to Nightbot that reminded people about checking pins before asking questions on a regular timer

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Fury balance btw

grim jay
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fury works as intended

steep obsidian
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do people get like a whipser from mee6 when they join?

steep mulch
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Anyone else logon to their toons one last time to honor their Artifact weapons?

steep obsidian
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i have seen that on some channels

solid nova
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Theres a 10 minute new joiner timer now

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Idk about Mee6 pms

steep obsidian
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like the first time you join a server you get some info

shrewd pine
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I was getting Mee6 Pms when bfa dicuss was in slowmode

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made me proper furious

solid nova
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Clamping down on the spammers angery

vale marten
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@strange python dafuq is that fury dps

shrewd pine
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thats a poorly implemented APL

solid nova
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@vale marten 42,611

vale marten
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y i can read, why is it so high compared to others?

grim jay
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btw why do we need to fly to magni to give him kadghar's letter if he is a mage and can port himself? or use this raven?

solid nova
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Because bigger number

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And scuffed apl

shrewd pine
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mega scuffed APL

grim jay
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they just forgot to delete a 0

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at blizzard HQ

shrewd pine
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its not blizz doing it tho?

grim jay
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depends on if you wanna pretend the apl sucks

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or that their sim is right

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and balancing sucks

shrewd pine
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well

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I think its safe to assume the APL is wrong

solid nova
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Make a forum post on it

shrewd pine
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blizz is full of shit, but not that much

solid nova
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Just to be sure

grim jay
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obv the apl is wrong

shrewd pine
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and if they are full of shit that much

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I'll a eat sock

solid nova
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Looks fair to me

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Warriors deserve a buff

shrewd pine
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get my boi Ion on the case

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he is da best

steep obsidian
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ion was a good lead encounter designer

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not sure about actual game director

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but then again it impossible to keep everyone happy

calm grail
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Wait so in that guide we're back to FoKing over mutilate?

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OH nm I misread.

shrewd pine
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only with stacked up cloak

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and HB

grim jay
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it indeed is possible to make people happy enough to barely complain about balance

shrewd pine
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its prepatch, balance is pointless

calm grail
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Okay, so with cloak and HB you go back to FoK spam, nice. Didn't know if it was ONLY at 2+ targets still even with those talents.

grim jay
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that was a general fact

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not for prepatch only

shrewd pine
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You dont FoK spam afaik

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You FoK When you have max stacks.

calm grail
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Yeah I see now. And still rupture everything? There a time to live requirement?

shrewd pine
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3 targets

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for dungeons I assume

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wait

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were you talking dungeons or ST?

calm grail
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Yeah was thinking dungeons.

shrewd pine
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oh dungeons you spam FOK

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not much has changed

calm grail
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How many ruptures before it's a net loss?

shrewd pine
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I dont think it changes

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3 ruptures and spam fok and CT

calm grail
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Guide says all targets. Didn't know if it'd be worth to CT before putting out 3+ ruptures.

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Oh you don't get energy from CT though.

onyx crane
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are current tier sets going to be disabled tomorrow?

steep obsidian
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no

shrewd pine
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yea you dont.

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so like rupture 3-4 targets, CT spam

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if you know targets will live long enough and whatnot

vale marten
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they should have just disabled lego effects in this patch

shrewd pine
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spam rup

steep obsidian
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youd be able to ct spam during crit window

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with 4p

shrewd pine
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but after 3-4 ruptures you will be energy capping anyway

calm grail
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Probably not even worth weaving in envenoms even with the set bonus?

shrewd pine
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envenoms for the buff uptime

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afaik

calm grail
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Because when you cycle all that shit you'll probably be going in circles

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on a decent size pack

shrewd pine
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ay

calm grail
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Thinking I should suck up the DPS loss and just go unoptimized outlaw. Get used to playing with it for leveling.

wheat zealot
hoary copper
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Cant wait to play my fury tonight then

grim jay
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@hoary copper ?

sweet rampart
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wait where are you guys seeing those sims?

calm grail
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Why is insignia the reccomended lego now on hero damage?

hoary copper
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Sorry I was going back to past convo

calm grail
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Shoulders a dumpster now?

zealous lily
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don't see why you woul dneed to practice for outlaw leveling

sweet rampart
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yeah i am wondering where connor saw that

zealous lily
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let me tell you the outlaw leveling rotation: MfD, blade flurry, blade rush, dispatch, repeat until 120

warm parcel
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CT actually is top prio in aoe

hoary copper
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Looks like Fury had an extra digit put on it

warm parcel
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As long as CT is absent or about to drop you cast it

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Then you look at garrotes and then rupture

sweet rampart
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does anyone even make sim lists for pre patch? lol

hoary copper
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Im sure they are out there

signal stream
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Combo Builder(filler):

Fan of Knifes(2+ targets OR at full Stacks) > Mutilate

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does this mean full stacks of the talent which is 20 or the cape which is 30

vestal wren
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20 stack HB

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at least thats how the sim does it atm

signal stream
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kk i figured as much

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ty fuu

tepid ridge
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fuu do we use Blindside out of free proc (on BfA beta ST)?

cold patio
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surly <30%

grim jay
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dunno why people wanna use bs rn

strange python
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because it is simming the highest

grim jay
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its not

strange python
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im wrong

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maybe i should check it before hitting enter

solid nova
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People got it into their heads that pressing more buttons = higher dps

grim jay
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I mean pressing more different buttons can be fun, but that one certainly wont blow someones mind

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so even the given fun isnt worth

solid nova
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Clutching at straws to try and retain APM

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From a non existent APM spec in the first place

vestal wren
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@tepid ridge yes you use Blindside only if you have a proc

steep obsidian
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that seems like its something that should get fixd

vestal wren
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using it below 30% always was no win, it was only if you used VR

tepid ridge
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allright thanks for the answer ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

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it's kinda sad but nvm

queen epoch
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is leggo cloak worth it without HB?

vestal wren
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you can filter talents and legos on herodamage

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but i assume its not

solid nova
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@steep obsidian What do you mean, execute talents doing more damage in execute

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What a ridiculous idea

steep obsidian
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๐Ÿคฆ

queen epoch
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so, shoulders and insignia then?

solid nova
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You will press it when and only when the flashing light appears

vestal wren
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you dont lose a lot if you use it in execute

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so feel free

solid nova
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You're already on the losing path if you've selected it in the first place

jovial kite
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theres more than 1 way to play the game

solid nova
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So a bit more dps wont hurt

steep obsidian
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is there any reason why its worse? is it just not doing enough damage? or does it not proc posions as much or something

jovial kite
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toppest of memes

vestal wren
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EP is rly strong

solid nova
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BS doing less damage in execute has been that way for ages anyway ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿผ

tepid ridge
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in BfA that's the best according to sims...

steep obsidian
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yeh i like ep alot with high crit builds

tepid ridge
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was not a prepatch question btw

steep obsidian
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i might jhust regen and enchant crit for lulz

vestal wren
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EP is not far behind in st

grim jay
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@tepid ridge you really still saying that BS is the best ?

vestal wren
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even on 120

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on aoe EP is the clear winner

tepid ridge
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it's fuu's pastebin don't hit me ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

grim jay
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you never know what they will change until 120 anyways, and as far as 110 goes EP is stronger

strange python
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first things first is no more tier 21 ๐Ÿ˜„

tepid ridge
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yeah I know this obviously

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I'm asking for WA purposes :p

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would love them to be already functionnals and good looking for 120 aswell

steep obsidian
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well you don't get any extra buttons when ya level so unless you want to track azurite traits or something

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yeh that

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and you have that specific area only load when ya have the talent selected

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i did that with blade rush and killing spree for outlaw on beta

tepid ridge
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that's what I'm doing but it's about the combo of talents and symetry... ya know ๐Ÿ˜‰

steep obsidian
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i know what ya mean though i fucking hate fiddling with ui crap in weak auras

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much easier to jus steal someone elses and modify it a little

tepid ridge
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if no ones makes anything you won't have anything to steal...

vestal wren
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just a remainder: weakauras is a cpu hog

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i have a ๐Ÿฅ” luckily

still sky
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I play on a toaster so I have snacks during raid

fleet whale
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@vestal wren thanks for all the sims/work you did... it's greatly appreciated

vestal wren
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np, i hope it helps a bit, enjoy the pre-patch and find some tasty bugs to abuse

dense blaze
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FoK spam inbound

steep obsidian
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@tepid ridge true but wago.io generally has something, not everyone hates doing it like me

strange python
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spam cause it has no ramp up

steep obsidian
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time to find any items that weren't scaled down properly and abuse for next day

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i mean

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play the game properly

tepid ridge
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it does like ALOT @vestal wren , thanks ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

steep obsidian
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i think they fixed most of them ๐Ÿ˜›

quaint sequoia
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Do u guys think they will change so HB and cloak dont stack?

hoary copper
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It wont matter as they get disabled at 116 and they wont be obtainable soon

quaint sequoia
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U mean blizz will not nerf fun just cuz its prepatch

cursive hatch
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so uh, haste huh guys? I guess my outlaw gear is going to come in handy

tepid ridge
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do we still use cloak + HB for AoE on prepatch? (on BfA I know we don't) anyone got anything?

scarlet hawk
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Will probably fuck people when leveling though, in warmode. So it'll prolly get patched

tepid ridge
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don't think so but yeah it could be

scarlet hawk
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Is it not worth going shoulders + cloak with nightstalker? If you stack it up to 30 before vanish + fok, it's not enough vs the garrote + insignia dmg?

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I guess the sims are pretty close... hmm

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These sims are over 5 minutes, right? On herodamage

lone junco
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@scarlet hawk Cloak + HB + the PVP Knife range + dmg on 3 targets will likely get taken care of. But as of now on PTR it is absurd. so enjoy it while you can.

scarlet hawk
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Warmode talents aren't active in raids, are they? That's what I'm interrested in ๐Ÿ˜ƒ Sorry, should've specified ๐Ÿ˜›

tepid ridge
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they're not obv

grim jay
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gotta correct my statement about there not being stupid questions

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:^)

shrewd pine
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You havent been here for long enough Davyn FeelsAmazingMan

scarlet hawk
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That's why I'm correcting my question. I'm asking in regards to raiding.... If you didn't get itthe first time ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

vernal adder
shrewd pine
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We had dude asking why is toxic blade finisher on such a long CD feelskekgif

grim jay
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@shrewd pine im here since like shortly after the start

shrewd pine
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My bad

grim jay
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just havent been active the last months bcs I didnt play

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๐Ÿ˜„

shrewd pine
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Fair

grim jay
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dont wanna give advices if I dont play tbh

shrewd pine
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Honorable

lone junco
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but it is working as intended.

shrewd pine
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fok it dude hehehehe

scarlet hawk
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So back to my original question. Isn't the bigger opener more desireble than the insignia + subterfuge combo with what is prolly gonna be super fast kills?

lone junco
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until the cloak + HB is nerfed. The only real opener will be a stacked fok.

shrewd pine
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Dungeons, yes. Raids, no.

lone junco
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raid yes. dungeon yes.

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clearly you didnt see the numbers.

fleet whale
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feelsbadman I don't have any shoulders other than the leggos ๐Ÿ˜›

waxen thunder
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@fleet whale same boat

gleaming geyser
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Are u ok varolyn

shrewd pine
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Wait

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Lemme double check hero damage

fleet whale
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Yes i'm fine, it's only pre-patch after all

shrewd pine
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Hero damage has SF on top. Not NS.

lilac lily
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Herodmg says leggo Cloak+Insignia with Subterfuge and HB are the best for single target

shrewd pine
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Yea

daring cave
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Is there any good macros out for prepatch I'm not great with building them lol

lone junco
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they are also within 1% of each other.

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and also a 5 min fight.

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yadda yadda.

shrewd pine
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Well yea but I was refering to that

lean hill
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Rogues don't really need macros

weak skiff
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only useful macro I have is to tricks focus target

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about all you need

lean hill
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Yea tricks would be the one

daring cave
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Ok, was just wondering.. yeah I also had a sap macro but that was for pvp

zealous lily
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there are some pvp macros that are handy but for PvE all you really need is tricks your focus target

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i also have some mouseover rupture/garrote macros but ehhh

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dont really need those either

lone junco
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I do like the idea of EP/Insig btw.

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insig has a ton of crit. and vendetta is realy really far apart now.

shrewd pine
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Well the EP insig build is alrdy great on live

zealous lily
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vendetta having a loooong CD is really the biggest gameplay change.

lone junco
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rip my 45sec dream

daring cave
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Fair enough, thanks. I also went over the herodmg and I will have to use shoulder n insig. Until I get the cloak but I was wondering would the rotation listed still work for that?

weak skiff
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You know you can buy specific legendary's now in pre-patch and WQ that gave AP now give essence, right?

fleet whale
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yeah that 2 min cd is so long... We only had it that long for like 3 expansion straight ๐Ÿ˜›

lilac lily
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I'd love to know what my opener should be with the leggo cloak+HB

shrewd pine
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Go to boss

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Press fok

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Dond

primal sigil
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how is insignia so strong now ? is the shadow dmg on it scaling harder ?

lone junco
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once raidbots goes live, I wonder how a good CoF/boots will hold up.

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@primal sigil insig has a ton of crit, which pushes EP. Ep buffs the insig hit. EP is good for your bleeds in general. Not taking Pbomb kills the poison talent.

primal sigil
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i see i see

strange python
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on my gear

primal sigil
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sounds good !

strange python
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boots insi is less 20dps than hb/cloak combo

primal sigil
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are trinkets any specific.. i rmr lvling on beta.. scourgewind and of golg was doing mad dmg in dungeons

lone junco
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on ptr at least. the 1000 raid trainket did a ton of dmg. I look forward to running some raidbots on my trash gear to find something neat.

primal sigil
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yeah, same for me.. along side the scourgewing.. tht was pretty high on the meter too

strange python
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sitting on 257ilvl 40%crit 37%haste 45%mastery .. ive only 920 cof but it ends in dps lose

primal sigil
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so was just wondering

lone junco
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COF is prob trash.

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but I can see 40 15 60 or something.

cursive hatch
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scourgewing, golg, and kjbw are all pretty insane on beta

strange python
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with t21 bonis

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haste is rly stronk in the sims

lone junco
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I have a ton of haste gear in the bank. will be neat to see how it scales at 40c 50h 40m EP build.

sudden brook
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time for all my haste gear to actually be useful

strange python
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and loses his value above 30%

lone junco
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ill give it a go anyway.

lean hill
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Wonder if frond is any good for new live

gleaming geyser
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Dont say such things

strange python
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crit haste is usefull

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ofcourse

lean hill
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I got a 910 relinquished, hoping there is some stupid build in whatever spec using that with melandrus

vernal adder
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got a 940 one with ahste

lean hill
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How does frond have haste

strange python
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btw on that boots insi setup i am working arround i hit 50 apm ๐Ÿ˜„

fringe ginkgo
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Mr Rogue I don't feel so good

queen epoch
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topkek

fleet whale
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why did you have a CoS relic/NLC trait?

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was it just a high ilvl relic you put in for pre-patch?

vernal mauve
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So a question I never thought I'd ask. Where is the kinda happy point for haste?

fervent beacon
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Unsure just yet

fleet whale
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I don't think we really know yet

fervent beacon
#

Actually its in the pinned

#

with haste as #1 omegalul

#

Guess I can vendor all my sin mastery gear and just use my outlaw gear

fleet whale
#

It's the worse on Multi-target though

stark heart
#

@keen inlet gief bfa-discussion back please

hoary copper
#

I didnt realize that channel was gone

daring cave
#

Can't believe I have to figure out how to get haste up now. Stupid

cursive hatch
#

Should have been like me and played Outlaw, now I have both gear sets ๐Ÿ˜›

daring cave
#

Yeah I dun fked up.. but I just loved sin

zealous lily
#

i have some pieces saved up so i should be good. won't matter in a month anyway

strange python
#

sub best in bfa? oh no...pls

zealous lily
#

we dont know yet

rugged snow
#

Outlaw is doing very well in mythic and so is sub

strange python
#

please

#

make slice and dice outlaw happen

steep mulch
#

didnt they nerf SnD by 10%

vestal wren
#

yes they did

lean hill
#

Slice and dice is the worst, hope it dies

tepid ridge
#

outlaw isn't playing SnD at all actually btw

vestal wren
#

also they did nerf shadow focus today from 25->20 (for sub)

fringe ginkgo
#

๐Ÿ˜ก

keen inlet
#

Why do we need bfa disc

#

We're in prepatch.

#

๐Ÿ™„

sudden brook
#

i think he just wants a general chat

keen inlet
#

That channel was nothing but issues anyway. Ppl having pissing contests over preliminary sims, apls or lack thereof, and bitching about bfa as a whole rather than rogue itself lol

lone junco
#

@vernal mauve sims will show haste on your weights if you are super low. my live set is like 2%. So it will go up. but as with weights, it will balance out. probably sinking back below the other good 2ndary.

strange python
#

t21 is the second haste issue

#

;p

steep mulch
#

everything is StC (Subject to Change) til at least the tuning with raids

#

outside of major changes but that is 8.1

#

I need to make alot of Pre-expansion items for smoother leveling

vernal mauve
#

I have alot of fear I held on to just because it made my in bag ilvl high. One thing included a neck piece that my prot pally buddy yelled at me for getting. Lol was BIS for him and shot for me

steep mulch
#

Goblin Gliders are going to be So Nice for Zuldazar as Horde

strange python
#

the end is nearrrr

cursive hatch
#

I bought hundreds of gliders last night

vernal adder
#

should prolly buy all of the AH now and sell them higher near release

cursive hatch
#

I'm hoping that token prices jump on release

#

so I can get some gold that way

copper sinew
#

Should probably talk about goblin gliders in the #off-topic channel poisonbomb

hoary copper
#

Are they gone with prepatch?

sudden brook
#

goblin gliders?

gleaming geyser
#

๐Ÿคฆ

icy mason
#

they're going to be popular in bfa. same old deal with mountain landscape leveling zones and no flying mounts

safe matrix
#

just be an engineer and put the addage on your cloak

icy mason
#

some people picked inferior professions. and we must profit off their mistake

steep mulch
#

GLiders get horde characters anywhere in the Troll Zone

#

and fast

cursive hatch
#

they also save you when you remember that you take fall damage again

safe matrix
#

that doesnt really affect sin though, theyll take the same amount of falling damage

gleaming geyser
#

Or you play goblin and ignore fall dmg with rocket jump

icy mason
#

i'm super fond of swapping the old cata legendary daggers in for slow fall wings. usually in places where gliders don't work or when glider is on CD

steep mulch
#

btw you guys might want to see the post in Off-topic by bruen

icy mason
#

^ thanks

safe matrix
#

meh, I'll just remake my weakauras

steep mulch
#

Yeah, otherwise le addons layout may turn out to be not feeling quite right

full depot
#

just shadowstep to a rabbit before you land EZ

icy mason
#

living dangerously

steep mulch
#

bind a target dumy toy and shadowstep?

full depot
#

vargoth

steep mulch
#

that too

icy mason
#

thats pretty damn brilliant

#

can you step on vargoth?

full depot
#

yeah he counts as a friendly target so people can /wave at him

#

need to double check it though

icy mason
#

i have to play with this when servers come back up then. i've been messing with shadowstep macros for mouse over and such. i'm pretty new at rogue maining so i'm trying out new things

hoary copper
#

I use heroic leap before I hit the ground, assuming I can target something below before I hit a wall or rock or something

gleaming geyser
#

critter cannon too

#

@full depot ๐Ÿ†

full depot
#

lol

vocal wave
#

So, is Exsanguinate decent for burst? Does it shine in any specific circumstances?

steep mulch
#

Critter Cannon + Acolyte's Skull or what ever it is called

livid crescent
#

wait back stacks with HB??

#

dafuq

steep mulch
#

so I need to buy the back now hmm

#

I got the ring just not the back

icy mason
#

gotta get them both so you can be glorious for a month

steep mulch
#

was going to buy the wrists but back it is

jovial kite
#

@vocal wave exsang bursts good if you get conc proc and bota

zealous lily
#

no more conc proc

jovial kite
#

my brain is still in eu

vocal wave
#

Talking about BfA aye

#

I got no leggos or anything

#

So that won't really affect me, just generally curious to see it's play in BfA if it went as it is now

lone junco
#

I expect exang to be good for things that live less than say 45 sec. but the desync from vendetta and exsang will be punishing.

strange python
#

herodamage sims lead me to believe it's not as horrible as people thought it was on the beta. but we'll see when tier 21 is gone.

daring cave
#

๐Ÿ‘ป

strange python
#

?

daring cave
#

Just felt like it was a good idea sorry

lone junco
#

You're not the only one.

#

Cloak + Hb breaks stuff tho.

livid crescent
#

So does cloak and HB just hit like a truck then?

sudden brook
#

yes

zealous lily
#

it stacks

lone junco
#

@warm parcel I thought you were going to prove that CT > outlaw in m+

warm parcel
#

I just had to use that to open #outlaw

#

Its hidden

lone junco
#

Hit the ^

dire spoke
lean hill
#

But... I de'd my egg last night

sudden brook
#

just item restore

fleet whale
#

luckily I have scourgewing in my bags

#

I'm not farming EoA for that silly trink though

sweet rampart
#

trinket sims already!?

dire spoke
#

it's prepatch simulations

strange python
#

I de'd like a 960 egg..... 4 months ago

sudden brook
#

just item restore..??

strange python
#

yeah but how far does that go back ๐Ÿ˜„

sudden brook
#

im not sure but it goes pretty far back

fleet whale
#

I wouldn't sweat too much over it, unless if you are planning on going ultra-try hard for pre-patch

sweet rampart
#

wait you can item restore that far back?

#

hmmm i might have one too!

strange python
#

i must top the meters or i must uninstall. /s

versed estuary
#

You can item restore quite a ways back.

sudden brook
#

when i made my dk i had a shit load of unsullied plate that i could item restore from months ago

fleet whale
#

I already have scourgewing and max Golganneth's, so i'm satisfied with where I am for trinkets

sweet rampart
#

is there a bigger list of trinket sims somewhere?

sudden brook
sweet rampart
#

ty ... guy

dire spoke
#

that guy

arctic venture
#

for pre patch, bleed will be better?

#

or still poison?

#

what we gonna have

strange python
#

check the pins..

dire spoke
#

200 more ppl who ask that question

#

is what we gonna have

sudden brook
#

guys whats the best rogue spec for bfa

arctic venture
#

lol

#

well, comon sense to know.

fleet whale
#

There really isn't such a thing as bleed vs poison anymore, I feel it's more like TB vs Exsang

arctic venture
#

thatยดs a bleed!

#

varolyn.

dire spoke
#

๐Ÿคฆ๐Ÿป

halcyon glacier
#

well it'll probably also impact master poisoner vs dispatch?

#

same w/ poison bomb synergy vs crimson tempest or w/e

fleet whale
#

master poisoner doesn't affect PB anymore

halcyon glacier
#

o

#

stupid misleading tooltips

warm parcel
#

It says weapon poisons

halcyon glacier
#

o

#

stupid jugglernaut

#

stupid illiterate

fleet whale
#

I don't think it affects envenom anymore either

warm parcel
#

Never did

fringe ginkgo
#

My server is up

#

Check yours

strange python
#

servers up

dire spoke
#

time to mute RH

#

see you tomorrow

leaden elk
#

What happened to garrote now that it's vanish + garrote ? Or is it better to do vanish + fok with leggo ?

sudden brook
#

u dont use shoulders anymore

#

and u use subterfuge

warm parcel
#

Usually reading talent interactions explains it

#

Sub only interacts with garr

strange python
#

Do people that ask questions not bother with pins, when all their questions can be answered there feviTHINK

warm parcel
#

He got the memo of vanish garr from the pins

#

Just didnt know why

steep citrus
#

do we still kingsbane on cooldown?

grim jay
#

some questions are completly out of the blue aswell tho.

#

yes

#

preferably last hit adds whenever possible

strange python
#

kingsbane doesn't exist

verbal crystal
#

gottem

strange python
#

can't even open the artifact, thought I could put better relics into it.

dire spoke
#

wait what?

#

you can't config relics?

stark heart
#

That's a bug imo, report it

prisma carbon
#

might be an addon

#

bc weapon opens up for me

strange python
#

maybe

civic palm
#

or a macro, or w/e

strange python
#

vanish+ raputre

rotund pier
#

NO M+ 960? wtf

swift lodge
#

so in the hastebin the talents is read first number is number 3 in level 15 and so forth down the levels?

steep citrus
#

yes. 0 means doesn't affect dps

swift lodge
#

so that is more personal choice on 0 lines

verbal crystal
#

they're usually utility/defensive talents so yeah, players choice

shrewd pine
#

so

#

what about the kingsbane?

#

on CD or lining up with vendetta?

civic palm
dire spoke
#

So if PB is in the weapon and a talent, does it procc more often now?

cursive hatch
#

I have some news for you...

noble gyro
#

Weapons are dead

shrewd pine
#

woah woah

#

what weapons

#

I only had artifacts?

low shadow
#

People need to read the patch notes ffs

dire lintel
#

wow is dead ๐Ÿ˜›

shrewd pine
#

huh?

#

Just tell me when I use kingsbane k?

dire lintel
#

there are no artifact anymore

shrewd pine
#

yes there are

cursive hatch
#

Yeah, I'm muting all of RH for a few days

dire spoke
#

LIAR

dire lintel
#

if youre on us you cant

fleet whale
#

So an interesting note about blindside. The tooltip says that it becomes available to use when the target is at 30% hp. However, it appears that you can use it when the target is at 35% hp. I don't know if this is a bug or intentional but note that the old dispatch was usable at 35% hp

strange python
#

yeah that was in the beta too.

#

read that somewhere.

fleet whale
#

hopefully it's intentional, wouldn't change much but I think it's nice

deep solstice
#

zzz. insignia is actually useful now and I never got it

ripe bramble
#

Free 1k Wakening essence if you did a +15 last week

#

And you can choose your legendary.

steep citrus
#

some ppl said they had 1k on toons that didn't even do keys

#

still at work

#

can't confirm

solid nova
#

@deep solstice It was good before prepatch...

ripe bramble
#

Maybe free 1k for everyone then, not sure

deep solstice
#

It was OK before prepatch, but not the BIS

solid nova
#

BiS

#

There isnt bis

#

WF/TF made bis obsolete

#

And has been that way for several tiers

deep beacon
#

I guess i should buy the cloak lol

fiery sage
#

will sin be fine even with the lower number sims? ๐Ÿ˜›

deep beacon
#

It's not thatmuch lower and higher for some multi target stuff

sweet rampart
#

I am just mass simming myself rewind

sour wraith
#

so can you not buy the item that allows you to send a legendary to an alt?

#

anymore

prisma carbon
#

no

#

essences are useless if you have all leggos

sour wraith
#

rip

deep solstice
#

Legendaries do not WF/TF....so there is basically BIS for them short of some extreme itemization specialties

warm parcel
#

no

#

cause get good crit gear

#

and mantles shit

#

get good t20

#

and mantles shit

dire spoke
#

8| 8| 8|

warm parcel
#

get this and mantles good

#

get that and insignias good

solid nova
#

No but your off pieces do which alters your stat weights, which determines which leggos are best @deep solstice

#

Mantle isnt blindly bis

prisma carbon
#

mantle was BiS since release

#

until today

shrewd pine
#

Wrong.

solid nova
#

Wtf

#

No it wasnt

shrewd pine
#

there were plenty builds for both sub and assasination

deep solstice
#

It is almost like I said something about itemization mattering....but literally everyone ignored that anywa. lol

shrewd pine
#

which didnt utilize mantle

#

thus mantle wasnt BiS for these builds.

#

next

prisma carbon
#

those builds were not good

shrewd pine
#

EP build

solid nova
#

Rofl

shrewd pine
#

is very good

prisma carbon
#

what fight in antorus did not use mantle

shrewd pine
#

LOTR build

deep solstice
#

If you look at logs like the top 500 parses all had mantle. Numbers always win

shrewd pine
#

Was used on #1 and #2 mythic argus kills

warm parcel
#

A parse had mantle

#

cool

#

next argument

#

that actually mattered

#

and ye

#

if you look at top 3 kills

#

you see plenty nonmantle

#

but you didnt

shrewd pine
#

instead you chose to spew bullshit

warm parcel
#

and you just made an empty argument

sweet rampart
#

i keep getting dced ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

deep beacon
#

YEah me too

prisma carbon
#

top 33

#

top 3

#

plenty

#

lol

warm parcel
#

Yup

deep beacon
#

When i logged in also I was trying to type something it kep not letting me hit enter.... not sure if its an addon's fault though

rugged snow
#

what lego should we get

deep solstice
#

Well, that crap aside, Is it pretty safe that Insignia and Cloak are near the top right now due to the talent changes?

shrewd pine
#

Yes

solid nova
#

Nice to see pre-patch brought the lfr dwellers out

dire spoke
shrewd pine
#

MINE

#

MINE

#

BIS

#

BIS

#

MINE

#

BIS

#

BEST?

cursive hatch
#

I normally enjoy talking in RH, but it definitely sounds like its time to avoid this place for a few days

leaden elk
#

I wonder if it's worse to lose the 4pc bonus now

shrewd night
#

helo wat spec is bis now pls

tribal shuttle
#

woops

verbal crystal
#

1111111

shrewd pine
#

guys

#

how do I orange parse?

#

are there any assasination spells that I can safely ignore?

#

in raids?

fleet whale
#

stack dogs to orange parse

verbal crystal
#

Yea just spam mutilate

fleet whale
#

convince your raid that you should be the only one dpsing High command adds

verbal crystal
#

Don't even worry about combo points they're useless

exotic glen
#

@shrewd pine i read that detection-weaving is the new craze

shrewd pine
#

oh yea

#

is the to proc concordance riight?

#

to like get huge agi

verbal crystal
#

Seconded, swirky ball of death

exotic glen
#

ye and you save cooldowns for when you proc it

strange python
#

if you weave correctly you can get multiple concordance up

summer marsh
#

Quick what talents should i use

shrewd pine
#

ooh right

strange python
#

op op

exotic glen
#

its big dmg

shrewd pine
#

do I save kingsbane for it too?

strange python
#

nah you only kb without concordance

shrewd pine
#

whats kb?

strange python
#

its like tb

shrewd pine
#

i dont speak elitist

steep citrus
#

tb or not tb

timber mauve
#

simming 6.7k, seems balanced

thick perch
#

love how my stats are now shit lol

exotic glen
#

i heard you pick crimstone tempest, not TB in prepatch

shrewd pine
#

crimstone?

#

is that the thing you put in dungeons?

exotic glen
#

sorry, crimson temper

strange python
#

is that what happens when you dont bomb?

shrewd pine
#

ah temper

#

hot?

strange python
#

i have a pretty high crimson temper

exotic glen
#

crimson = red so ret hot

#

very hot

thick perch
#

all my mastery gear is now siming as SHIT now...i dont have haste gear /sadfuckenpanda

rugged snow
#

what lego is ahead if your spec for pvp with poison bomb

leaden elk
#

I don't have T21 shoulders to keep my 4pc bonus cries in rouge

shrewd pine
#

brain damage

exotic glen
#

sephuz because its bling

twilit birch
#

anyone try to stack fok?

void pecan
#

hi guys, new rogue here wat is dae best in pre-patch.

leaden elk
#

Insignia + Cloak is ahead

#

from sims

rugged snow
#

still

sudden brook
#

nobody has thought of stacking fok

exotic glen
#

no literally nobody has

leaden elk
#

that's getting hotfixed

exotic glen
#

literally

#

nobody

sudden brook
#

literally 0

exotic glen
#

actually fucking -1

sudden brook
#

nah +1 cuz that guy

exotic glen
rough yarrow
#

ahhahahaha 3.99 haste on stats prio as sin ahahah

sudden brook
#

yes

obtuse robin
#

no updated giude for pre patch?

sudden brook
#

there are

strange python
#

there are non in pins

sudden brook
#

look at the pins

exotic glen
#

imagine looking at the pins

sudden brook
#

yes there are

leaden elk
#

Ok, what spec have old assasination stat priority

#

๐Ÿค”

dire spoke
shrewd pine
daring cave
exotic glen
#

was that english

solid nova
#

Time travel

leaden elk
strange python
hasty swan
#

what 100 talent should we be taking?

sudden brook
#

pins

leaden elk
#

pins

thick perch
#

i am going to CRY lol

exotic glen
sudden brook
#

gonna be a fun week

shrewd night
#

do we go pb or mfd now pls

daring cave
obtuse robin
#

wtf haste the main stat

sudden brook
#

guys whats the best rogue spec for bfa i need answers now

leaden elk
exotic glen
#

@shrewd night u pick EP i heard

shrewd night
#

do we go double mace now pls

deep solstice
#

Where do we go to translate "3210021" into the appropriate talents?

sudden brook
#

do i go tripple mace

exotic glen
#

like the pepper spray?

dire spoke
#

holy shite

leaden elk
#

Do I need to level up my mace skills too to use dual mace ?

short shuttle
#

So our new talents is actually Elaborate/Sub/Vigor/X/X/Toxic/Hidden Blades ?

solid nova
#

@deep solstice In your talents?

exotic glen
#

LOL

#

LOL

#

i cant fucking even

thick perch
#

get the bis shoulders and now not bis ..FU BLIZZ

sudden brook
#

LOL

shrewd pine
shrewd night
#

we need guide for talents

hasty swan
#

i don't see anything in the pins about talent choices

shrewd night
#

i cant read numbers

sudden brook
#

have you tried clicking the links

shrewd night
#

please type it out

sudden brook
#

at all

shrewd pine
leaden elk
#

Ok guys, deep breath

shrewd pine
solid nova
#

Number relates to talents

shrewd pine
sudden brook
#

LMFAO

leaden elk
#

This is not a crisis,

deep solstice
#

do 0's just mean it's entirely situational then?

solid nova
#

Yes

leaden elk
#

This discord is not getting mad

sudden brook
#

yes.

deep solstice
#

Gotcha

shrewd night
#

nano pls help me

sudden brook
#

@shrewd night best rogue spec bfa

leaden elk
#

We can do this bois

#

We can figure it out how to work this

#

We don't need to go and play outlaw

shrewd night
#

what is stat weight for bfa pls

sudden brook
#

LOL

shrewd pine
#

I heard hit rating

leaden elk
#

ALL THE HASTE

shrewd pine
#

9%

daring cave
#

Still feel like haste fked a lot of people

shrewd pine
#

is important

#

and then 7% expertiser

sudden brook
#

guys whats my rotate

deep solstice
#

Still aiming for 110% ARP right?

sudden brook
#

how do i rotate

strange python
#

whats my rotate

mossy light
#

what about multistrike?

short shuttle
#

So whats important to grab first, the ring or cloak?

strange python
#

ring

lone junco
#

I have 40crit 60haste. Plus sephuz kick. Let's do this.

strange python
#

shoulders

shrewd night
#

isnt shoulder bis? logs say they are

thick perch
#

blizz fucked ass! i never took haste shit lol

sudden brook
#

LOL

leaden elk
#

Should I get the Saurfang trinket ?

sudden brook
#

AHHHHHHHHH

strange python
#

they aren't scroll up

short shuttle
#

People are saying Ring + Cloak and use Hidden Blades

low shadow
#

What lego's should I get to push GR's?

haughty lily
#

Rotation should be the same except no kingsbane right? Icy veins has talents and rotation up

shrewd night
#

I fucking cant dawg

strange python
#

ICYVEINS

sudden brook
#

LMFAO

shrewd night
#

this is too much

lone junco
#

The scroll is real

leaden elk
#

LF zdps Rogue

sudden brook
#

this is gonna be the best week of ravenholdt

shrewd pine
#

???

void pecan
#

All the LFR rogues are comin in hot noobe.

#

Help.

strange python
#

fucking yikes boys

#

I got my information Im out

lone junco
#

Nah. Nsdp pk open was best day.

hasty swan
#

i'm looking in the pinned message link to the hastebin and I still don't see anything about talent choices. I see the blue text that says talent choices but there's nothing actually there

strange python
#

scroll up more

#

every patch day is yikes for RH

shrewd night
#

Zzzzzzzzzzz

leaden elk
#

0101101011001

sudden brook
#

holy fuck

deep solstice
#

Maybe my TF chrono shard is actually good now.

sudden brook
#

LOL

shrewd night
#

127.0.0..1 is your talents btw

strange python
#

there

wraith saddle
#

:angery:

strange python
#

someone pin that shit

sudden brook
#

IT IS PINNED

subtle lodge
#

oh god, all the haste gear i disenchanted

wraith saddle
#

It is pinned

dire spoke
#

put every channel to slowmode HALP PLX SEND

wraith saddle
#

LUL

leaden elk
#

Can we have a memorial for Kingsbane ?

#

please ?

low shadow
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ROFL someone please pin the pin

sudden brook
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just item restore

lone junco
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Looking good.

sudden brook
#

holy fck

lone junco
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19k isn't bad.

leaden elk
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oh god

civic palm
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Low number.

shrewd pine
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y'all talking in wreong channel

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Outlaw is best

thick perch
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fucken HASTE my poor gear ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

leaden elk
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They are billions

shrewd pine
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go ask questions to outlaw

subtle lodge
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yay tich crashed and is down

leaden elk
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Name checks out

thick perch
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RIP rogue till bfa

lone junco
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@thick perch for real. Haste is only high if you have like 4%. Once you get a little bit, it will balance back down.

leaden elk
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I have almost balanced haste crit atm

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but lacking a looooot of gear swap still

thick perch
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i have like 3% haste

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;p;

leaden elk
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we are fucked right ?

shrewd pine
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no

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you go outlaw

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the best spec

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and you chill

mossy light
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no

prisma carbon
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yikes

frail gate
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DON'T LOG OUT if you log out you may not be able to log back in

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Bunch of people stuck on login screen constantly dcing

dire spoke
leaden elk
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Oh boy

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Mythic will be a delight to do today

strange python
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dw boys, I have 2% haste

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no haste other than from leggos

shrewd night
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@shrewd pine monkahmm YEET

deep solstice
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Fortunately I had poorly itemized gear before and have 13% haste already

exotic glen
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you want infinite haste now

deep solstice
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So wear 2 sephuz and The Empty Crown?

thick perch
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fuck outlaw

leaden elk
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dood rood

deep solstice
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That third leggo trait for your base is key.

strange python
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you go insignia and cloak

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but empty crown is bis

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yes

leaden elk
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I will use shoulders till tier drops -.- FFS

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wait wat how

haughty lily
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Is there still a point in wearing legendaries then?

strange python
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thats the joke

haughty lily
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Other then for stats

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Oh im a little slow

leaden elk
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they totally break our spec

rough yarrow
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we r fine

strange python
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what leggos we use?

leaden elk
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Cloak + passive 100 = HIUGEEE FOK

rough yarrow
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its memes era now

strange python
rough yarrow
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all my 3 specs are very close with sin being on top. who cares

thick perch
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LOL

rough yarrow
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^^

strange python
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using what leggos for sin envenom

rough yarrow
#

cloak/ring

prisma carbon
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valeera

strange python
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check pinned messages

leaden elk
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angery Bring back Kingsbane or rito

rough yarrow
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5761 dps

strange python
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yea i was asking his sim

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hmm ok

sudden canyon
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bleeeeed build

strange python
#

ty

sudden canyon
#

lets go

leaden elk
#

What's considered good dps now ?

deep solstice
#

Simcraft has a nightly build out, or the previous build is still good?

leaden elk
#

night

rough yarrow
#

antorus will be so much fun when tanks get one shotted lol

sudden canyon
#

one shot*

thick perch
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towely got 1 shot by Purple dog in heroic 15mina go lol

leaden elk
#

lol

shrewd pine
rough yarrow
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no more magic reduction for pallies

shrewd pine
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thats cuz he wasnt a outlaw rogue

subtle lodge
#

is there no pin for what talents to get

shrewd pine
deep solstice
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There is, you just have to translate it from numbers to human.

leaden elk
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omg this is going to be a good day

subtle lodge
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thats too hard

unkempt phoenix
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we keep our bmah in orderhall for prepatch/bfa HYPE

thick perch
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cant even log back into servers after it dcd me RIP

rough yarrow
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dont u love patch days?

solid nova
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Prepatch doesnt change the above

sudden brook
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guys when do i kingsbane

verbal crystal
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never again

rough yarrow
#

never again

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^^

leaden elk
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Bring KB Back

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#MakeRogueGreatAgain

sudden canyon
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rip

thick perch
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its sopt has been replaced with an execute RIP

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spot"

fleet whale
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Well using blindside I don't miss as much

thick perch
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and how dare they want me to use lego cloak and ring! shoulders bracers FOR LIFE

fleet whale
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also, how do I get raidbots to work? it keeps bugging out

shrewd pine
#

wait guys

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I heard that Crown is BIS?

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is that true?

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do I use Crown and Sephuz?

sudden brook
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yes

shrewd pine
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oh wow

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thats so cool

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that makes sin better than outlaw

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name checks out even

worldly temple
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Is bleed build viable?!

exotic glen
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only girls bleed

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thats what my dad told me

worldly temple
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yikes.